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Tailgate 08-11-2013 12:02 PM

The OLBs
 
Its still early, but our OLBs seem to be our glaring weakness on D moving forward.

With Cush back, the signing of Mays, Sharpton healthy, Joseph 100%, Ed Reed, Swearinger, flashes of upgrade from Mitchell... We have the makings of a nasty D health considered. But we really need an outside pass rush to become truly dominant imo. Who is going to step it up at OLB this year?

Candidates:

Reed - I have little faith in him as more than a high motor back up special teams player at the moment. Looked average again on Friday.

Mercilus - The dude had some sacks in his rookie campaign. But they seemed to all be effort sacks much in the mold of Reed.

T Williams - I really liked this pick but I cant find a single positive review thus far.

Montgomery - Some loved this pick, but I didnt get it. Hoping I was wrong. Dude needs to get over the injury/conditioning cloud that seems to be hovering over him early on. This guy my have the most upside.

Braman - Love the guy, but if he doesnt surface soon not sure if he ever will.

Jefferson - Another Brayman in the making? Chicken legs concern me, but love his explosiveness.

I think we are all going to be keeping a close eye on this crew. Right now, I see a whole lot of average at best. The most important thing to me is for Whitney to prove himself a first round pick. I need at least flashes, like yesterday.

thunderkyss 08-11-2013 12:07 PM

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Braman

Tailgate 08-11-2013 12:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2191495)
Braman

10-4

Sidenote: Texans have invested a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and a 4th into this unit over the past 3 drafts.

DocBar 08-11-2013 12:25 PM

Re: The OLBs
 
I'm with ya, Tailgate. I'm just as worried about run defense as I am pass rush, though.
It's gonna be Reed and Merci starting but I'm thinking we'll be seeing more of Jefferson as the season goes on and he gets his bulk and strength up.

Braman hasn't had a great camp, from what I understand. Just a career ST star, from what I can tell. He doesn't appear to have a very high football IQ.

I really liked the Montgomery pick. I'm really hoping the leaders on the D and the coaching staff can give him an attitudinal adjustment and keep him from going all Travis Johnson on us. Has some very good upside, but is off to a disasterous start.

T. Williams should be good depth in the future. He'll probably contribute before Montgomery and I've heard/read decent reports on him in TC.

Scooter 08-11-2013 12:33 PM

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i really liked what i saw from braman. he did a good job of using leverage and didnt allow the linemen to get their hands on him, using his very long arms to make separation. he definitely seems to be paying attention in class. i dont know that he'll develop into anything more, but i would certainly keep him around as a backup and special teamer - that's a guy you want on your team.

everyone else? well i hope watt and ninja have big years getting to the passer, because our linebackers outside of cushing are pretty bad.

Texn4life 08-11-2013 12:34 PM

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I've heard nothing but negative reports on Williams. I want to see more of Braman with the 1st unit. Some guys are just not really good practice players, but find an extra gear when the lights come on. I thought Reed looked quick the other night, and I think Merci will be ok. Between Sam, Willie, and Braman we'll be fine. Williams looks like he might be the odd man out right now. Wouldn't be surprised if we picked someone up who gets waived after TC as well.

texanhead08 08-11-2013 12:34 PM

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This position is a reason I think Texan fans need to tone down their expectations for this team this season.

DocBar 08-11-2013 12:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooter (Post 2191506)
i really liked what i saw from braman. he did a good job of using leverage and didnt allow the linemen to get their hands on him, using his very long arms to make separation. he definitely seems to be paying attention in class. i dont know that he'll develop into anything more, but i would certainly keep him around as a backup and special teamer - that's a guy you want on your team.

everyone else? well i hope watt and ninja have big years getting to the passer, because our linebackers outside of cushing are pretty bad.

I think Joe Mays will be a good player for us. I'm not as worried about the ILB's as I am the OLB's.

The Pencil Neck 08-11-2013 01:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DocBar (Post 2191515)
I think Joe Mays will be a good player for us. I'm not as worried about the ILB's as I am the OLB's.

Yeah, that's kinda freaking me out.

Before TC, I was really, really worried about the ILBs. Now? That's not worrying me as much.

I'm not too worried about Brooks Reed. But I need Mercilus to make a big leap from year 1 to year 2 and I need some of these rookies to step up, otherwise we're looking at picking up a street FA to stick into the rotation. I'm not expecting Braman to be anything other that ST and maybe situational pass rush.

Jefferson and Trevardo Williams ended up in coverage a lot more than I expected.

:wadepalm:

We've got a long way to go with our OLBs.

LikeMike 08-11-2013 01:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooter (Post 2191506)
i really liked what i saw from braman. he did a good job of using leverage and didnt allow the linemen to get their hands on him, using his very long arms to make separation. he definitely seems to be paying attention in class. i dont know that he'll develop into anything more, but i would certainly keep him around as a backup and special teamer - that's a guy you want on your team.

everyone else? well i hope watt and ninja have big years getting to the passer, because our linebackers outside of cushing are pretty bad.

I think some people are too negative on Mercilus. He didn`t get that much playing time last season, still got lots of sacks (for a rookie) and a couple of forced fumbles. Reed is more of a LB to stop the run and being relentless, but that`s ok for one side of the field. He can and he will get some sacks, just not double digit sacks.

Yeah, OLB is a question mark, but we need to give those young guys some time... With some more help from the inside they should take the next step.

phantom17 08-11-2013 01:09 PM

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It's too early to tell, but I'm starting to get a little worried about these guys. The lack of a pass rush from these guys is what will sink this team! JJ (S)Watt can't do it all by himself........again!:wadepalm:

DX-TEX 08-11-2013 01:45 PM

Re: The OLBs
 
I stated before TC started this was my biggest area for concern. Im hoping someone decent gets cut or just released in the next couple weeks. I don't have ANY confidence in anyone currently on the roster at this position.

amazing80 08-11-2013 01:45 PM

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Im not overly concerned about our starters, but depth is a concern. We will know what its like in 2 weeks vs the Saints. If we continue to get pressure up the gut, we will eventually open up the lanes outside.

thunderkyss 08-11-2013 02:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by amazing80 (Post 2191534)
Im not overly concerned about our starters, but depth is a concern. We will know what its like in 2 weeks vs the Saints. If we continue to get pressure up the gut, we will eventually open up the lanes outside.

Actually, getting Cushing, Watt, & Antonio on the field is probably going to make these scrubs look like Pro Bowlers.

Vinny 08-11-2013 03:18 PM

Re: The OLBs
 
to me, our outside linebackers have been unremarkable for a while now. The Viking game didn't help. The best OLB we've had lately is Mario Williams. Too early to panic though. I'm hoping they continue to grow into their roles.

Hervoyel 08-11-2013 03:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2191559)
Actually, getting Cushing, Watt, & Antonio on the field is probably going to make these scrubs look like Pro Bowlers.

Exactly. I have no worries at all about the LB's, Not a single one. It's gonna be fine once the big dogs get on the field with them. Then they'll find the going a lot easier as the offense tries to control Watt, Cushing, and Smith (and Mitchell from the looks of things)

We'll be fine.... unless the injury bug shows up. Nobody can entirely overcome that.

Uncle Rico 08-11-2013 03:43 PM

Re: The OLBs
 
maybe I was drunk but it seemed to me that Reed was collapsing the pocket the plays he was in there leading to some sacks by interior defensive linemen. I don't think you can judge an OLB solely by sacks. Who else will have the experience to drop back when asked? I think Reed starts opposite Mercilus with the youngsters rotating in or playing situational roles. As some of you have said, funny what will happen when Sgt Slaughter and the Ninja get back to work.

DocBar 08-11-2013 06:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hervoyel (Post 2191582)
Exactly. I have no worries at all about the LB's, Not a single one. It's gonna be fine once the big dogs get on the field with them. Then they'll find the going a lot easier as the offense tries to control Watt, Cushing, and Smith (and Mitchell from the looks of things)

We'll be fine.... unless the injury bug shows up. Nobody can entirely overcome that.

The :koolaid: is :cjeremy635: with this one. :hothboy:

:kitten:

Rey 08-11-2013 06:30 PM

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Reed looked good to me. He looked like he lost a little weight, but he still looks strong. He looks good rushing and playing on the edge. I'm not worried about him.

And tuggle actually looked good to me. He looks stronger than the other guys that played out there. Willie has some talent. But he stands up too high at times and is easily pushed around. I thi k he's good enough to be a back up this year and pass rush guy.

Trevardo is fast but that's it.

I thought Braman looked really good. I think he is ready to take meaningful snaps. Hopefully merciless has improved. If he has I thi k our LB corps as a whole is going to be pretty good. I think we are going to be fine there.

76Texan 08-11-2013 06:37 PM

Re: The OLBs
 
The Texans showed a ton of 4-man fronts last year;
I think Jamison might see some snaps here, the way he played last night.


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