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IDEXAN 07-27-2013 05:23 PM

"Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
For years the Eagles have had major problems trying to contain opposing tight ends. I think they’ll be able to rid themselves of that problem going forward because of the size and coverage ability of newly acquired veteran outside linebacker Connor Barwin. Barwin has all the ingredients needed to defend a tight end. He’s got great size at 6’4″ 264 pounds with surprising catchup speed and the ability to change of direction very quickly.
The former Houston Texan also has the long arms which are needed to get a good jam on the tight end. I think this is one of the most important keys to limiting the effectiveness of the tight end. You’ve got to make it difficult for them to get off the line and into their routes. He’s shown me that he can hold up the tight ends with his jam.
http://gcobb.com/2013/07/26/eagles-h...connor-barwin/

IDEXAN 11-11-2014 01:22 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
After last nights game vs Carolina when Connor got 3.5 sacks, Barwin is now tied for second in league sack rankings with a total of 10.5.

Double Barrel 11-11-2014 01:30 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
The Eagles are doing some great things with castoffs from other teams.

I did not think Mark Sanchez had it in him anymore.

As for Barwin, I guess Wade's system did not utilize him properly. We sure could use him on our d-line right now.

Playoffs 11-11-2014 01:56 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Double Barrel (Post 2415760)
As for Barwin, I guess Wade's system did not utilize him properly. We sure could use him on our d-line right now.

He'd sure be a good fit for us now, imo. Congrats to him and the Eagles for getting the most out of him.

IDEXAN 11-11-2014 02:09 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Double Barrel (Post 2415760)
The Eagles are doing some great things with castoffs from other teams.

I did not think Mark Sanchez had it in him anymore.

As for Barwin, I guess Wade's system did not utilize him properly. We sure could use him on our d-line right now.

Really ! We've got 2 pass-rushers (Mercilus & Clowney), but neither knows anything about covering the TE while Reed does but can't effectively rush from the edge, while Connor can do it all including very effectivley setting the edge on rush defense. But as I recall, the Texans were really kinda apathetic about giving Connor a solid offer.

santo 11-11-2014 02:12 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IDEXAN (Post 2415782)
Really ! We've got 2 pass-rushers (Mercilus & Clowney), but neither knows anything about covering the TE while Reed does but can't effectively rush from the edge, while Connor can do it all including very effectivley setting the edge on rush defense. But as I recall, the Texans were really kinda apathetic about giving Connor a solid offer.

I'm starting to see this as a pattern. I wonder if he would have stayed here for a little less.

I wonder how different the Texans would have looked with Sanchez and Barwin at the beginning of the season.

infantrycak 11-11-2014 02:14 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
Let's not forget most folks around wanted Barwin gone or kept only on a cheap deal.

Oh luck, a poll turns useful. 92 responses, 3 thought he was worth paying what the Eagles gave him - Link

The most popular response, 33 of 92, was half as much.

Hervoyel 11-11-2014 02:30 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2415787)
Let's not forget most folks around wanted Barwin gone or kept only on a cheap deal.

Oh luck, a poll turns useful. 92 responses, 3 thought he was worth paying what the Eagles gave him - Link

The most popular response, 33 of 92, was half as much.

Yeah, as I recall I didn't vote in that one. I think it was because my preferred choice "Pay him even more than that because he's going to be tied for the league lead in sacks in Philadelphia by 2014" wasn't included.

Yeah, that's it. :spin:

IDEXAN 11-11-2014 02:46 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2415787)
Let's not forget most folks around wanted Barwin gone or kept only on a cheap deal.

Oh luck, a poll turns useful. 92 responses, 3 thought he was worth paying what the Eagles gave him - Link

The most popular response, 33 of 92, was half as much.

I won't go so far as to say that Barwins contract year was abysmal, but it was weak, with only 3 or 4 sacks as I recall (coming off of a double-digit total from the previous year) and he was a guy trading on his pass-rushing skills more than anything in free agency. And the Eagles didn't give Barwin a strong deal as it was very much incentive-based with minimal guaranteed money. It was kinda in line with what many of us suggested as I recall ?

Playoffs 11-11-2014 02:53 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
Bill Davis has done a good job turning a pretty pedestrian 2013 Barwin into a productive 2014 one.

infantrycak 11-11-2014 02:54 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
Barwin's contract had $8 mil guaranteed. Not sure what you are calling incentive based. The money is in base salaries.

Showtime100 11-11-2014 02:59 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
His last year here sucked huge. I hate that we make a def/off scheme and hope the players adapt instead of looking at personnel THEN developing a style that's right for them.

HOU-TEX 11-11-2014 03:08 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
I never cared when Barwin left. D-Ryans, on the other hand, irked me a bit. He was getting much better towards the end of the 2011 season.

It normally doesn't bother me when players come and go, but that one did a little for some reason.

Vance87 11-11-2014 03:43 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2415787)
Let's not forget most folks around wanted Barwin gone or kept only on a cheap deal.

Oh luck, a poll turns useful. 92 responses, 3 thought he was worth paying what the Eagles gave him - Link

The most popular response, 33 of 92, was half as much.

We thought we were golden with Watt, Mercilus, and Reed. Could you blame us?

xtruroyaltyx 11-11-2014 04:32 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX (Post 2415816)
I never cared when Barwin left. D-Ryans, on the other hand, irked me a bit. He was getting much better towards the end of the 2011 season.

It normally doesn't bother me when players come and go, but that one did a little for some reason.

I didn't know what to make out of our OLB's under Wade other than he short time he had Mario.


None of them did much for me. I thought both Reed and Barwin were better suited for over the TE and I didn't feel comfortable with Merciless as the premiere edge rusher on the team.

If this team didn't have JJ Watt we all know the team would be much worse off....

But dang...that defensive front might be the worst in football...

gtexan02 11-11-2014 04:58 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
Barwin had one great year here that was a statistical anomaly, as I recall most of his sacks came from being unblocked. He was used poorly in our scheme

Double Barrel 11-11-2014 05:04 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX (Post 2415816)
I never cared when Barwin left. D-Ryans, on the other hand, irked me a bit. He was getting much better towards the end of the 2011 season.

It normally doesn't bother me when players come and go, but that one did a little for some reason.

I was going to say the same thing (great minds!).

I was indifferent about Barwin, but we knew what we had with DeMeco Ryans. And he's fulfilled all of our expectations and more in Philly.

I know you can't keep them all, but DeMeco was one of those players that I always thought you keep and figure out a way to make it happen.

thunderkyss 11-11-2014 11:00 PM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
If we had Connor on our team & the Eagles had gotten Reed instead, Reed would have had 3.5 sacks last night. Connor Barwin is not a corner stone, or even a building block. He's good to have around while you're waiting for your young guys to develop.

He's got all the talent, he's very athletic, but he's got poor instincts & he's soft.

beerlover 11-12-2014 01:17 AM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2415787)
Let's not forget most folks around wanted Barwin gone or kept only on a cheap deal.

Oh luck, a poll turns useful. 92 responses, 3 thought he was worth paying what the Eagles gave him - Link

The most popular response, 33 of 92, was half as much.

vindication, but I'm happy for him never the less. :toast2:

silvrhand 11-12-2014 10:56 AM

Re: "Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2415949)
If we had Connor on our team & the Eagles had gotten Reed instead, Reed would have had 3.5 sacks last night. Connor Barwin is not a corner stone, or even a building block. He's good to have around while you're waiting for your young guys to develop.

He's got all the talent, he's very athletic, but he's got poor instincts & he's soft.

He's got other interests outside of work that I always felt like he was spending more time on than being a great football player.


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