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Tailgate 07-22-2013 09:15 AM

PFF Texans Starting Lineup Ratings
 
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Thoughts?

PapaL 07-22-2013 09:21 AM

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Foster isn't Elite? Hmmm...

But J.Charles (KC) is?!? GTFO

Tailgate 07-22-2013 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PapaL (Post 2183905)
Foster isn't Elite? Hmmm...

Def a debatable point. They rated us 3 blue chips, only 4 teams w more... And 4 most they gave to anyone.

steelbtexan 07-22-2013 09:29 AM

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schaub = avg
B.Reed = Avg
Mitchell = Below Avg, hopefully he improves this yr.
Brooks = has greatest chance for improvement
Cushing/Sharpton = Incomplete, Coming back from injury nobody knows how they will perform.

Greatest chance to provide help of players not listed Quessenberry/Swearinger.

The Texans team as a whole better hope Schab and Mitchell stay healthy. The Texans have put all their eggs in the Mitchell basket and there's not much behind him. plus I just dont think he's that good based off of the last few yrs performances. Hopefully he will get better.

Insideop 07-22-2013 10:00 AM

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Not sure I agree with Sharpton being Poor. Unless they are counting injury histories with actual playing abilities.

TexansFTW 07-22-2013 10:37 AM

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How dumb. PFF are the same guys that said Chris Myers is one of the best Centers in the game (I swear I read that directly from them). Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I swear it was PFF.

And obviously Foster is elite.

Tailgate 07-22-2013 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TexansFTW (Post 2183926)
How dumb. PFF are the same guys that said Chris Myers is one of the best Centers in the game (I swear I read that directly from them). Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I swear it was PFF.

And obviously Foster is elite.

Doesnt necessarily mean they think Myers is a blue chip. Not many of those to go around, and had Myers behind Unger, Mangold, and Sullivan in 12 rankings, who got the blue chip ratings for centers.

HJam72 07-22-2013 11:15 AM

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Chris Myers is the best at what he does. The problem is he is not meant to be able to pass-block a large NT by himself....and he can't.

TexansFTW 07-22-2013 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tailgate (Post 2183942)
Doesnt necessarily mean they think Myers is a blue chip. Not many of those to go around, and had Myers behind Unger, Mangold, and Sullivan in 12 rankings, who got the blue chip ratings for centers.

Makes sense. I hear what you're saying. 1 thing though is I'm pretty sure they have Myers ahead of Mangold, which is surprising to me they would give him blue chip and not Myers.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...io-of-centers/

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Originally Posted by HJam72 (Post 2183945)
Chris Myers is the best at what he does. The problem is he is not meant to be able to pass-block a large NT by himself....and he can't.

Gotta disagree. Where did you come up with this in fact? I can't find anything that really backs that claim, this is the closest I can find, but in the end it still praises him:

"The first thing you notice about Chris Myers (6'4", 290 pounds, eight seasons) is his agility. As one of the best moving centers in the entire NFL, Myers is excellent at sliding inside the line to pick up blitzes and help guards in pass protection. When put into a one-on-one situation, he can lose anchor and get walked back, but he is smart enough to go to the ground and cut the defender if that happens. Myers does a great job coming out to meet pass-rushers, and with his quick feet and strong hands, he’s able to mirror and protect the pocket.

Myers isn’t the biggest guy at 290 pounds, but he makes up for that with excellent quickness and vision."

Tailgate 07-22-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TexansFTW (Post 2183970)
Makes sense. I hear what you're saying. 1 thing though is I'm pretty sure they have Myers ahead of Mangold, which is surprising to me they would give him blue chip and not Myers.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...io-of-centers/

In the positional rankings from 2012, they actually had Mangold a spot ahead. Not saying these guys have it all figured out though.

I do feel, and I think this chart is fairly representitive of this, that we will need to focus next offseason on improving/upgrading/depth at DE, NT, ILB, and depending on our our recent OL picks start to sort out... RT, and interior O-Line for future stability.

thunderkyss 07-22-2013 12:00 PM

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I can't believe they don't see Cushing as a Blue Chip player.

TexansFTW 07-22-2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tailgate (Post 2183973)
In the positional rankings from 2012, they actually had Mangold a spot ahead. Not saying these guys have it all figured out though.

Gotcha, thanks for the reply. I don't have the advanced membership so I couldn't find that.

Tailgate 07-22-2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2183975)
I can't believe they don't see Cushing as a Blue Chip player.

Agree 100%

Playoffs 07-22-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tailgate (Post 2183899)
Thoughts?

We look pretty good in comparison. Not much to quibble with overall for me.

These graphics really show how recent/coveted draft picks have performed so far, which is very interesting to me.

Porky 07-22-2013 12:19 PM

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Cushing is borderline blue chip at best. He had one year (you know the one he was busted) that was average at best. He had one outstanding. Last year started terrific but he only played roughly 1/4 of the season.

Considering his body of work, I think they have him correct.

Same with Foster. 2010? Yes, elite. Since then, his production has declined each year. Again, based on his total body of work, he's close to elite, but I think he's just outside of that in the upper part of the next tier.

Schaub is over-rated and should be average. Health issues, lack of consistency, and failures when the heat is on leave him average.

Sharpton I would move up one rung. Health has been a major concern, but he's an average player when healthy.

Brandon Brooks is too green to really rate, but I have a feeling that is too low.

Outside of that, I can't quibble too much.

nero THE zero 07-22-2013 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Porky (Post 2183982)
Cushing is borderline blue chip at best. He had one year (you know the one he was busted) that was average at best. He had one outstanding. Last year started terrific but he only played roughly 1/4 of the season.

Considering his body of work, I think they have him correct.

Same with Foster. 2010? Yes, elite. Since then, his production has declined each year. Again, based on his total body of work, he's close to elite, but I think he's just outside of that in the upper part of the next tier.

Schaub is over-rated and should be average. Health issues, lack of consistency, and failures when the heat is on leave him average.

Sharpton I would move up one rung. Health has been a major concern, but he's an average player when healthy.

Brandon Brooks is too green to really rate, but I have a feeling that is too low.

Outside of that, I can't quibble too much.

Foster ranked 1st in rushing in 2010, 2nd in 2011, and 6th in 2012; was 1st in in total RB yards in 2010, 5th in 2011, and 6th in 2012; and was 1st in rushing TD in 2010, 8th in 2011, and 1st in 2012.

And, he's 1st over those three years combined in those categories by a long shot, by my count.

I respect what PFF does a ton, but it seems silly to say he's not elite. Cushing, too. In fact, Cushing more so.

Playoffs 07-22-2013 03:01 PM

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Bigger concern is our starting OLBs are below average. We're going to need to see marked growth from Mercilus and/or cobble together a rotation that is greater than its individual parts.

Brandon Brooks needs to step it up.

And I'm not too keen on being weak up the middle with Mitchell/Sharpton.

Those two HQ corners sure look good, though. Just need to avoid injury bug.

TexansFTW 07-22-2013 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2184060)
Bigger concern is our starting OLBs are below average. We're going to need to see marked growth from Mercilus and/or cobble together a rotation that is greater than its individual parts.

Brandon Brooks needs to step it up.

And I'm not too keen on being weak up the middle with Mitchell/Sharpton.

Those two HQ corners sure look good, though. Just need to avoid injury bug.

Not sure if I buy into Kareem being high quality or Mercilus being below average. I used to really like Reed, but I'm starting to see the below average thing myself, hope this year changes things for me.

Considering Mercilus had about 500 less snaps than Barwin last year and still put up 6 sacks as a rookie I really like his potential. And yes, I know it's not just about sacks, but in our system it's a big part.

Also, why did they grade Ryan Harris as opposed to Newton?

Here are all 32 teams if anyone is interested: http://imgur.com/a/FqUwa

thunderkyss 07-22-2013 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TexansFTW (Post 2184085)
Here are all 32 teams if anyone is interested: http://imgur.com/a/FqUwa

They've got Carson Palmer listed as High Quality but Schaub is only above average.


:facepalm:

Playoffs 07-22-2013 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 2184096)
They've got Carson Palmer listed as High Quality but Schaub is only above average.

Both are listed as above average.


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