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the wonger need food 07-15-2013 09:57 PM

Texans whistling past the graveyard at Kicker
 
Our Texans have some issues going into training camp next week. Inside LB, right side of OL, QB, Nose Tackle, WR depth, Safety... we have more questions than answers at this point.

Our biggest concern however may be an area that isn't really being discussed.... Place Kicker. Randy Bullock is the lone PK on the roster and given his limited reps last preseason he is a huge question mark. He was somewhat shaky on field goals and showed a weak leg on kickoffs. Obviously this is an extremely important position that often wins or loses games for a team, especially one involved in a lot of close games like the Texans given their ultra-conservative play with a lead.

With zero competition on the roster it seems like the organization is content to just whistle past the graveyard on this one and hope for the best which seems like a huge risk. What say you???

drs23 07-15-2013 10:14 PM

Re: Texans whistling past the graveyard at Kicker
 
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Originally Posted by the wonger need food (Post 2182044)
Our Texans have some issues going into training camp next week. Inside LB, right side of OL, QB, Nose Tackle, WR depth, Safety... we have more questions than answers at this point.

Our biggest concern however may be an area that isn't really being discussed.... Place Kicker. Randy Bullock is the lone PK on the roster and given his limited reps last preseason he is a huge question mark. He was somewhat shaky on field goals and showed a weak leg on kickoffs. Obviously this is an extremely important position that often wins or loses games for a team, especially one involved in a lot of close games like the Texans given their ultra-conservative play with a lead.

With zero competition on the roster it seems like the organization is content to just whistle past the graveyard on this one and hope for the best which seems like a huge risk. What say you???

Agree, and very concerned. Hoping for the best. We'll see.

PapaL 07-15-2013 10:24 PM

KO's I believe will be Shane's thing. I'm not overly concerned about the K position.

Vance87 07-15-2013 10:58 PM

Re: Texans whistling past the graveyard at Kicker
 
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Originally Posted by PapaL (Post 2182059)
KO's I believe will be Shane's thing. I'm not overly concerned about the K position.

Maybe you missed it, but Shayne signed with the Browns 3 months ago...

Brandon420tx 07-15-2013 11:07 PM

Re: Texans whistling past the graveyard at Kicker
 
Maybe you missed it, but he was referring to Shane Lechler, whom the Texans signed this offseason

the wonger need food 07-16-2013 12:26 AM

Re: Texans whistling past the graveyard at Kicker
 
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Originally Posted by Brandon420tx (Post 2182069)
Maybe you missed it, but he was referring to Shane Lechler, whom the Texans signed this offseason

Maybe you missed it but Lechler is a Punter... not a Kicker.

Bullock couldn't even get the ball into the end zone last preseason in an era where touchbacks occur about 50% of the time. Time for Coach Joe to earn his money...

the wonger need food 07-16-2013 12:27 AM

Re: Texans whistling past the graveyard at Kicker
 
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Originally Posted by PapaL (Post 2182059)
KO's I believe will be Shane's thing. I'm not overly concerned about the K position.

What leads you to assume this? Has Shane Lechler ever been used for kickoffs in his career???

Clamp 07-16-2013 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by the wonger need food (Post 2182082)
What leads you to assume this? Has Shane Lechler ever been used for kickoffs in his career???

The placekicker is usually the kickoff man, but punters are used often enough that it's not that unusual. And Lechler has had one of the strongest legs in the league for years. I would guess that he can boot it pretty far, just without a lot of accuracy, hence why he is a punter.

the wonger need food 07-16-2013 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Clamp (Post 2182086)
The placekicker is usually the kickoff man, but punters are used often enough that it's not that unusual. And Lechler has had one of the strongest legs in the league for years. I would guess that he can boot it pretty far, just without a lot of accuracy, hence why he is a punter.

Punters are seldom used for kickoffs in the NFL and it's highly unlikely that Lechler will be used here. Completely different muscle memory.

With that said, Kubiak values players with multiple skill sets so it's also unlikely that a specialist will be brought in. Hopefully Bullock can be coached up and start booting the ball out of the end zone.

Exascor 07-16-2013 06:29 AM

Re: Texans whistling past the graveyard at Kicker
 
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Originally Posted by the wonger need food (Post 2182081)
Maybe you missed it but Lechler is a Punter... not a Kicker.

Bullock couldn't even get the ball into the end zone last preseason in an era where touchbacks occur about 50% of the time. Time for Coach Joe to earn his money...

Maybe you missed it but...Bullock was injured. He tried to play through the pain and it affected his performance. Is it a question mark for the team? Sure but not a big one until we see him in the preseason.

FirstTexansFan 07-16-2013 07:52 AM

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Considering his injury, I'd contribute his poor performance to that.

Here is his percentage of touchback's at Texas A&M with him kicking five yards further than what occurs in the NFL.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2011/player/...off/split.html

And here is the percentage for touchback's in the NFL. Take note of the before and after rule change.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat...ate=2011-02-07

You guys are number crunchers, tell me I'm not old and blind. I'll just whistle right on out of this thread :popcorn:

deucetx 07-16-2013 08:19 AM

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Guess we'll wait and see for preseason whether it will be Bullock or Lechler. Saying he's a punter doesn't really matter. Texans used Hartmann in 2011 for kickoffs a majority of the time. Not to mention 4 of the top ten kickoff personnel in touchbacks were actually punters

Michael Koenen (TB) - 4th avg distance 2nd Touchbacks
Matt Bosher (Atl) - 8th avg distance 6th(tie) Touchbacks
Thomas Morstead (NO) - 14th avg distance 6th(tie) Touchbacks
Pat McAfee (Indy) - 3rd avg. distance 6th(tie) Touchbacks

I'm more concerned with the coverage since returners are taking them out of the endzone lately. We seemed to be running in mud when it came to coverage except a couple of individuals. Kickers are always available if needed for bargain dollars and can leap in at any moment so time remains on a decision in this direction if they see fit.

PapaL 07-16-2013 08:55 AM

Re: Texans whistling past the graveyard at Kicker
 
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Originally Posted by the wonger need food (Post 2182081)
Maybe you missed it but Lechler is a Punter... not a Kicker.

Bullock couldn't even get the ball into the end zone last preseason in an era where touchbacks occur about 50% of the time. Time for Coach Joe to earn his money...

Maybe you missed it but not only Shane do kickoff's at A&M but he's also done them throughout his NFL career. That's what leads me to believe he is capable of it.

Rey 07-16-2013 09:09 AM

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Lechler has a total of 16 kick-offs over a 13 year career. 9 of those came in his rookie season.

Out of those 16 kicks only one was a Touch Back (All of his kicks were done under the old distance) and his longest kick of 75 yards was returned for a TD. He's never kicked an onside kick in the NFL.

Lechlers career avg would have put him at about 15 or so among kickers last year for distance. And that's with a small sample size + kicking under the old distance.

He hasn't done a kick-off in 3 years. He's gone 7 years of his career without doing a single kick-off.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he won't be our regular kick-off man unless the Texans just want to try some shyt.

thunderkyss 07-16-2013 09:16 AM

Re: Texans whistling past the graveyard at Kicker
 
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Originally Posted by the wonger need food (Post 2182044)
Our Texans have some issues going into training camp next week. Inside LB, right side of OL, QB, Nose Tackle, WR depth, Safety... we have more questions than answers at this point.

I think you can scratch Nose Tackle off your list. We don't like the guys they've got there, but I believe it's getting more & more obvious that the Texans are looking for something different from what we are looking for. They appear to have put the same "type" of person/player in that position for years, it's deliberate.

LB, I think the team has done a good job in trying to answer that question. Time will tell. Cushing Sharpton, Reed, & Mercilus.... done. Sharpton & Cushing had some health issues last season, let's hope they are past them now. Dobbins, moving Reed inside, Braman, Sonic, & Travardo.. plan B, C, & D

Safety, again I think they've made a good attempt so far, Pleasant will probably make the team & I'm expecting to see Harris take a few snaps at Safety in the PreSeason.... a back up to the back up so to speak.

PapaL 07-16-2013 09:17 AM

Re: Texans whistling past the graveyard at Kicker
 
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Originally Posted by Rey (Post 2182128)
Lechler has a total of 16 kick-offs over a 13 year career. 9 of those came in his rookie season.

Out of those 16 kicks only one was a Touch Back (All of his kicks were done under the old distance) and his longest kick of 75 yards was returned for a TD. He's never kicked an onside kick in the NFL.

Lechlers career avg would have put him at about 15 or so among kickers last year for distance. And that's with a small sample size + kicking under the old distance.

He hasn't done a kick-off in 3 years. He's gone 7 years of his career without doing a single kick-off.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he won't be our regular kick-off man unless the Texans just want to try some shyt.

Considering the other guy kicking the ball in Oakland is/was Sebastian Janikowski, who would you have doing kickoffs?


That 2000 Draft was pretty good for OAK ST. Kicker in the 1st and Punter in the 5th for the next 12 years.

Rey 07-16-2013 09:28 AM

Re: Texans whistling past the graveyard at Kicker
 
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Originally Posted by PapaL (Post 2182131)
Considering the other guy kicking the ball in Oakland is/was Sebastian Janikowski, who would you have doing kickoffs?

The point is that he doesn't have much experience at all doing it in the NFL and as far as I know the Texans have give 0 indication that he'd be doing it.

If you think that he will be the kick off guy...ok...

But based on his limited experience there I don't believe he will.

deucetx 07-16-2013 09:30 AM

Re: Texans whistling past the graveyard at Kicker
 
Sheesh we need football. We're talking about freaking kickoffs lol. Not much science into kicking it off but here we are disecting it. Got to love offseason, heh.

PapaL 07-16-2013 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rey (Post 2182132)
The point is that he doesn't have much experience at all doing it in the NFL and as far as I know the Texans have give 0 indication that he'd be doing it.

If you think that he will be the kick off guy...ok...

But based on his limited experience there I don't believe he will.

He throws passes and don't have much experience doing that either - oh wait expect he ALSO did that at A&M too.

If you don't think he'll be the guy cool, more power to you.

He's the only guy on our roster with ANY experience doing it; both NCAA and NFL.

HOU-TEX 07-16-2013 10:16 AM

Re: Texans whistling past the graveyard at Kicker
 
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Originally Posted by deucetx (Post 2182134)
Sheesh we need football. We're talking about freaking kickoffs lol. Not much science into kicking it off but here we are disecting it. Got to love offseason, heh.

Normally I would be saying this right there with ya. But, Graham was horrible on KOs. IMO, with the new rule an NFL kicker should hit the endzone dang near every KO. I mean, at least make the returner have to make the decision to bring it out. It seemed like Graham was continually hitting the 5 yard line, giving the returner no choice but to run with it.

That, in addition to our crappy STs overall is a major issue.


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