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steelbtexan 06-18-2013 06:48 PM

Doc First Talks Texans Injuries
 
Dr. First gives us the low down on the Texans injury front. Coinsiding with info that CND has long suspected. I wish the Texans team Dr.'s could be as competent.



http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/...lay-in-game-4/

badboy 06-18-2013 08:47 PM

Re: Doc First Talks Texans Injuries
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2174305)
Dr. First gives us the low down on the Texans injury front. Coinsiding with info that CND has long suspected. I wish the Texans team Dr.'s could be as competent.



http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/...lay-in-game-4/

Well I clicked link and found like twenty topics but nothing about injuries. Shouldn't be so hard to read.

CloakNNNdagger 06-18-2013 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 2174342)
Well I clicked link and found like twenty topics but nothing about injuries. Shouldn't be so hard to read.

I just tried the link to Dr. First's interview and it seems to be broken. But then I hit the "Download" button to the right and saved it. Then I right clicked the download, hit "open with" and chose "Windows Media Player" and it worked for me. I suspect it would open with another player program on the list also?
Pretty interesting interview. Mirrors much of what I've posted in the past on each separate player.

Playoffs 06-18-2013 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2174305)
Dr. First...

As far as I'm concerned Dr. First is Second Scalpel to Dr. CND, who is actually Dr. First here. :fans:

CloakNNNdagger 06-19-2013 12:06 PM

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http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/...lay-in-game-4/

This link seems to work with Firefox but not with Internet Explorer. But if you download it, right click the downloaded file, and "open with" Windows Media Player, it should play either way.

FYI. Discussion centers around Ed Reed, Brooks Reed, JoJo, Arian Foster, Darryl Sharpton, Brennan Williams, Derrick Newton, and Duane Brown

HJam72 06-19-2013 01:35 PM

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Internet Explorer only works with malware. :fingergun:

Doppelganger 06-24-2013 04:37 PM

Re: Doc First Talks Texans Injuries
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2174305)
Dr. First gives us the low down on the Texans injury front. Coinsiding with info that CND has long suspected. I wish the Texans team Dr.'s could be as competent.



http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/...lay-in-game-4/

The thing is the doctors the Texans have are probably pretty good. BUT the key here is who do they work for? The team doctors work for the team, not for the players. As such, they are going to say things that the team wants released. If the team does not want the doctor to say or release info they won't. If they tell the doctor to say "slight leg injury" when it is infact a major one in order to not let another team know, they will do that.

Dr. First and Dr. CND are independent of the team and as such can be more honest and critical when it comes to medical news. I don't know Dr. First, but Dr. CND has done a fantastic job in explaining and detailing injuries for the rest of us!

SAMURAITEXAN 06-24-2013 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2174380)
As far as I'm concerned Dr. First is Second Scalpel to Dr. CND, who is actually Dr. First here. :fans:

You are right. CND is our Dr. First here at TTC.

steelbtexan 06-26-2013 08:57 AM

Re: Doc First Talks Texans Injuries
 
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Originally Posted by Doppelganger (Post 2176029)
The thing is the doctors the Texans have are probably pretty good. BUT the key here is who do they work for? The team doctors work for the team, not for the players. As such, they are going to say things that the team wants released. If the team does not want the doctor to say or release info they won't. If they tell the doctor to say "slight leg injury" when it is infact a major one in order to not let another team know, they will do that.

Dr. First and Dr. CND are independent of the team and as such can be more honest and critical when it comes to medical news. I don't know Dr. First, but Dr. CND has done a fantastic job in explaining and detailing injuries for the rest of us!

Agreed

But why would the Dr.'s be not forthcoming during the offseason?

Could it be that they screwed up the Ed Reed physical just like they screwed up the Boselli/DDW diagnosis?

When it comes to the Texans Dr.'s you know they're lying when their lips are moving. They're basically whoring out their professional ethics to the Texans for $$$$$.

Sorry I expect a little more out of of people who litterally have people's lives in their hands.

badboy 06-26-2013 09:48 AM

Re: Doc First Talks Texans Injuries
 
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Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2176382)
Agreed

But why would the Dr.'s be not forthcoming during the offseason?

Could it be that they screwed up the Ed Reed physical just like they screwed up the Boselli/DDW diagnosis?

When it comes to the Texans Dr.'s you know they're lying when their lips are moving. They're basically whoring out their professional ethics to the Texans for $$$$$.

Sorry I expect a little more out of of people who litterally have people's lives in their hands.

Or they told team who decided to go thru with deal. It is not our "right to know" about a player's health. It would be nice if Smith had said "Docs told us about the issue but we think he is still worth it." At least he would not look like he has egg on his face.

Doppelganger 06-26-2013 09:57 AM

Re: Doc First Talks Texans Injuries
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 2176382)
Agreed

But why would the Dr.'s be not forthcoming during the offseason?

Could it be that they screwed up the Ed Reed physical just like they screwed up the Boselli/DDW diagnosis?

When it comes to the Texans Dr.'s you know they're lying when their lips are moving. They're basically whoring out their professional ethics to the Texans for $$$$$.

Sorry I expect a little more out of of people who litterally have people's lives in their hands.


Those doctors work for the team. If the team tells them to keep their lips shut they do it. And to be honest we have no idea if they really screwed up the Boseli or DDW diagnoses. They may have told the team the correct diagnoses, yet the team disregarded it. Wouldn't be the first time teams have rejected medical knowledge for their own gain. Think about concussions. Medical knowledge has known about the dangers of concussions for decades. The NFL finally admitted the dangers of concussions a couple of years ago.

CloakNNNdagger 06-26-2013 02:26 PM

Re: Doc First Talks Texans Injuries
 
For those who would like to take a nostalgic trip into the world of "WHAT IF," I've had opportunity to meet with Boselli (not as a formal patient, so no Dr.-patient relationship will be betrayed) since his leaving the Texans. He related that he originally underwent surgery on his right shoulder on October of 2001 to repair a torn labrum and clean out loose particles. He was placed on injured reserve one week later. Already out for the season, Boselli took the opportunity for a "minor" arthroscopic clean up of his left shoulder as well in early Nov of 2001.

Injuries were a major concern when the Texans decided to select Boselli and accept his expensive salary. Two years previously he had also torn his ACL but returned to the starting lineup for the entire 2000 season. He had also had ankle surgery close to within 1 year of that.

When Boselli was left unprotected by Jacksonville, an independent doctor cleared him and believed Boselli would be able to return to action by June 1. That "clearance" was in the beginning of Jan 2002.......He was chosen about 1 week later in the expansion draft. Texans doctors would have examined prior to that time. At that time, he had very little range of motion, still in a significant amount of pain his biceps muscle on that side had essentially disappeared and he was not making expected progress.

In the end of April, he was taken back to surgery for a "minor" arthroscopic surgery to "flush debris from the shoulder." He continued to have problems with pain, weakness, and range of motion. Therefore, the latter part of on June, he underwent his third relatively "minor" surgery to remove scar tissue from the anterior and posterior joint of his left shoulder.

He "looked good" in offseason of 2003..............in shorts and no pads. But when he was finally "cleared" for contact in TC..........he was found to have continued range of motion problems which were not fully appreciate as far as limitations in live fire, severe pain and total intolerance to resistant forces when applied to his left arm...........he then retired........after three "minor" surgeries on his left shoulder...............

badboy 06-26-2013 02:56 PM

Re: Doc First Talks Texans Injuries
 
Texans had to take him to get the two defensive players we wanted.

michaelm 06-26-2013 04:31 PM

Re: Doc First Talks Texans Injuries
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 2176509)
For those who would like to take a nostalgic trip into the world of "WHAT IF," I've had opportunity to meet with Boselli (not as a formal patient, so no Dr.-patient relationship will be betrayed) since his leaving the Texans. He related that he originally underwent surgery on his right shoulder on October of 2001 to repair a torn labrum and clean out loose particles. He was placed on injured reserve one week later. Already out for the season, Boselli took the opportunity for a "minor" arthroscopic clean up of his left shoulder as well in early Nov of 2001.

Injuries were a major concern when the Texans decided to select Boselli and accept his expensive salary. Two years previously he had also torn his ACL but returned to the starting lineup for the entire 2000 season. He had also had ankle surgery close to within 1 year of that.

When Boselli was left unprotected by Jacksonville, an independent doctor cleared him and believed Boselli would be able to return to action by June 1. That "clearance" was in the beginning of Jan 2002.......He was chosen about 1 week later in the expansion draft. Texans doctors would have examined prior to that time. At that time, he had very little range of motion, still in a significant amount of pain his biceps muscle on that side had essentially disappeared and he was not making expected progress.

In the end of April, he was taken back to surgery for a "minor" arthroscopic surgery to "flush debris from the shoulder." He continued to have problems with pain, weakness, and range of motion. Therefore, the latter part of on June, he underwent his third relatively "minor" surgery to remove scar tissue from the anterior and posterior joint of his left shoulder.

He "looked good" in offseason of 2003..............in shorts and no pads. But when he was finally "cleared" for contact in TC..........he was found to have continued range of motion problems which were not fully appreciate as far as limitations in live fire, severe pain and total intolerance to resistant forces when applied to his left arm...........he then retired........after three "minor" surgeries on his left shoulder...............

I remember hearing that Jacksonville had informed the Texans that they would leave Gary Walker and Seth Payne unprotected in the expansion draft, if the Texans selected Boselli first. IIRC, the Jags were trying to get out from all of their salaries, and probably Boselli's injury.
I've always suspected that the Texans knew they were getting damaged goods, but decided to eat Boselli's contract in order to get Walker and Payne, who were both playing at a high level relative to the other players available from other teams in the draft (outside of Coleman and Glen).


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