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Clamp 06-05-2013 02:47 PM

Kubiak #13 in NFL.com's Coaches Power Rankings
 
Just a little fodder for another slow day of offseason. They don't talk about Kubiak or the Texans, but what do people think of the ranking?

I look at all of the coaches ahead of him on the list and see 9 Super Bowl champions, and 3 other very successful Head Coaches. Mike Smith is the one with the lest time spent as HC but he is still very good. I don't particularly like being ranked even within 3 spots of Rex Ryan and the Jets, but that's more because I think he should be ranked lower. I can live with #13 for now, but I think if we do as well as we should do this season, and are expecting to do, then he should break into the top 10 next year.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap...25-NFL-coaches

eriadoc 06-05-2013 03:31 PM

Re: Kubiak #13 in NFL.com's Coaches Power Rankings
 
I don't know enough about the other coaches around the NFL to intelligently rank Kubiak. IMO, he's a very good guy at the X and O level. I also think he connects with his players very well. I do not like his in-game management. His clock management is awful at times. His playcalling is brilliant at times, but stagnates and becomes too predictable when it matters most. He's gotten better at the challenge, thankfully. I also think he's the key figure responsible for the inability to come from behind, whether that be due to his player selection, play calling, or strategy. I frequently question his player selection and development in certain areas, as well as his ability to adapt to his players' strengths. Finally, I feel that he is, like many coaches, loyal to a fault. Richard Smith and Frank Bush were good examples of this, and Marciano may well be the latest example.

I don't think I have an issue with him being ranked #13. He's going to have to improve in order for the team to win a Super Bowl, but he's good enough that some might think he's capable of making that jump. I know people will point to his record over the past two years, but it doesn't mean much, really. The Oilers had seven straight seasons of a head coach putting up good win totals and that never even resulted in a conference championship game, much less a Super Bowl.

Again, JMO.

Double Barrel 06-05-2013 03:42 PM

Re: Kubiak #13 in NFL.com's Coaches Power Rankings
 
I've got no problem with Kubiak at 13.

However, I have to disagree with the top of the list. Jim Harbaugh over Coughlin, the man with two rings already? I think Harbaugh could be considered top five for the last couple of seasons, but c'mon man, rings rings rings.

Playoffs 06-05-2013 03:56 PM

Re: Kubiak #13 in NFL.com's Coaches Power Rankings
 
Top guys should correlate with their QBs mostly, imo.

The Pencil Neck 06-05-2013 04:33 PM

Re: Kubiak #13 in NFL.com's Coaches Power Rankings
 
After the coaching job Arians did with the Colts last year, I don't see how he's ranked that low.

Kubiak's got to win more playoff games as an HC before he can move up much further than that.

bhsman 06-05-2013 07:00 PM

Re: Kubiak #13 in NFL.com's Coaches Power Rankings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Double Barrel (Post 2170817)
I've got no problem with Kubiak at 13.

However, I have to disagree with the top of the list. Jim Harbaugh over Coughlin, the man with two rings already? I think Harbaugh could be considered top five for the last couple of seasons, but c'mon man, rings rings rings.

Coughlin is #1 in leading teams to second-half season collapses, yes. :kitten:

thunderkyss 06-05-2013 07:38 PM

Re: Kubiak #13 in NFL.com's Coaches Power Rankings
 
  1. Bill Belichick
  2. Jim Harbaugh
  3. John Harbaugh
  4. Tom Coughlin
  5. Sean Payton
  6. Mike McCarthy
  7. Mike Tomlin
  8. Mike Shanahan
  9. Jeff Fisher
  10. Andy Reid
  11. Mike Smith
  12. John Fox
  13. Gary Kubiak
  14. Marvin Lewis
  15. Pete Carroll
  16. Rex Ryan
  17. Leslie Frazier
  18. Jason Garrett
  19. Jim Schwartz
  20. Bruce Arians
  21. Joe Philbin
  22. Mike Munchak
  23. Greg Schiano
  24. Chuck Pagano
  25. Ron Rivera
  26. Chip Kelly
  27. Marc Trestman
  28. Doug Marrone
  29. Mike McCoy
  30. Gus Bradley
  31. Rob Chudzinski
  32. Dennis Allen

As they mentioned in the video, lot of 4-12 teams. How did he differentiate one from the other? What makes one 4-12 team different from another 4-12 team?

I'd also like to know what makes Jim Harbaugh a better coach than Pete Carroll, they pretty much did the same thing, but Jim is 14 spots better?

It is what it is, don't mean a whole lot of nothing in the overall scheme of things. But something to talk about I guess.

How in the heck is Jim better than John?

thunderkyss 06-05-2013 07:45 PM

Re: Kubiak #13 in NFL.com's Coaches Power Rankings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck (Post 2170829)
After the coaching job Arians did with the Colts last year, I don't see how he's ranked that low.

Kubiak's got to win more playoff games as an HC before he can move up much further than that.

How many play off wins does Mike Smith have? Or is that a Kubiak only rule?

ObsiWan 06-05-2013 07:46 PM

Re: Kubiak #13 in NFL.com's Coaches Power Rankings
 
I never got past this question. Lost all credibility with me when he put Jim (who hasn't won a SB or ever beaten his brother head-to-head) over John.

Logic capability = Very suspect

then again, what else is there to talk about?
:)

Texan_Bill 06-05-2013 08:09 PM

Re: Kubiak #13 in NFL.com's Coaches Power Rankings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ObsiWan (Post 2170899)
I never got past this question. Lost all credibility with me when he put Jim (who hasn't won a SB or ever beaten his brother head-to-head) over John.

Logic capability = Very suspect

then again, what else is there to talk about?
:)

Meh... Where is Nute Rockne or Vince Lombardi on this list??? :bender:

Thorn 06-05-2013 08:10 PM

Re: Kubiak #13 in NFL.com's Coaches Power Rankings
 
That ranking is about right for Kubiak. He shouldn't be in the top ten anyway. But he is much better than a lot of the head coaches out there. Even though I'm not a Kubiak supporter, it's obvious we could be doing MUCH MUCH worse.

ObsiWan 06-05-2013 08:13 PM

Re: Kubiak #13 in NFL.com's Coaches Power Rankings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill (Post 2170908)
Meh... Where is Nute Rockne or Vince Lombardi on this list??? :bender:

You're looking for THIS List....

Top NFL coaches by the decade.

Spoiler Alert!!
in the 80s Bill Walsh came in second to Joe Gibbs. And the reasoning for that was pretty good.


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