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Hookem Horns
04-30-2013, 05:35 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-council-may-push-washington-redskins-into-washington-redtails/2013/04/30/456cb72c-b1a7-11e2-bbf2-a6f9e9d79e19_story.html

New mascot?

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/3646/redtails.jpg

HJam72
04-30-2013, 05:38 PM
I don't see how referring to the skin on their butts is an improvement. :mcnugget:

Dutchrudder
04-30-2013, 05:44 PM
Given that I am not a Redskins fan, I would absolutely love this name change, it would be hilarious. What a terrible team name... hahaha

TEXANRED
04-30-2013, 05:48 PM
Redtails? What do whores and hookers have to do with Washington D.C.? Oh wait, nevermind.

Playoffs
04-30-2013, 05:58 PM
http://www.gillhamsfishingresorts.com/newsletters/200910/images/october2009_0085_Amazon_red_tail_catfish_Scott_Mor ely.JPG

gwallaia
04-30-2013, 05:59 PM
They should take a page of the Texans book and call themselves the Washington Washtonians or the Washington DCers.

TEXANRED
04-30-2013, 06:02 PM
They should take a page of the Texans book and call themselves the Washington Washtonians or the Washington DCers.

Now thats just silly.

Go Texans!

Dutchrudder
04-30-2013, 06:06 PM
They should take a page of the Texans book and call themselves the Washington Washtonians or the Washington DCers.

I believe The Beltway Bandits is the most fitting.

Maybe The Capital Crooks? (that's not a typo)

Playoffs
04-30-2013, 06:06 PM
They should take a page of the Texans book and call themselves the Washington Washtonians or the Washington DCers.

I like the Washington Columbians. :truck:

Hookem Horns
04-30-2013, 06:32 PM
I don't see how referring to the skin on their butts is an improvement. :mcnugget:

Guess they would have to draft more Aggies.

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4649200008299698&pid=15.1

kingtexan
04-30-2013, 06:42 PM
What do Tuskegee and D.C have to do with each other? Bad idea.

Carr Bombed
05-01-2013, 09:13 AM
:kubepalm: I am so sick of political correctness.. Just leave it like it is.

Stemp
05-01-2013, 09:25 AM
http://www.dsphotographic.com/g2/12649-3/Baboons+-004.jpg

Dread-Head
05-01-2013, 09:48 AM
Okay. I'm WITH the *Indians on this one. The name is a prejorative. I would be just as offended were there an NFL franchise called the Alabama Porch-Monkeys, The New Jersey Jigaboos or the New Orleans N:gg3rs. Red Tails? Eeeeh. Okay as a history buff I'm an admirer of the Tuskeegee airmen, but Red Tails? Kinda seems like a guy who wants to run for mayor trying too hard.

Why not use the name of an ACTUAL group of Indians and pay them residuals for the use of their name. The Blackfoot come to mind.

http://www.blackfoot.org/default.php

Same number of syllables so they could keep the same fight song and if you look at the logo on the Blackfoot website it's pretty similar to the current logo. Keep the colors, keep the logo. The team gets a bunch of people off their backs the Blackfoot Nation gets some recognition and a residual for the use of their name. It's win/win...or Nguyen Nguyen depending on who their lawyer is. I'm just sayin'.




*Yes I know the politically correct term is "native American" but I've met many who call themselves "Indians."

Dread-Head
05-01-2013, 09:50 AM
http://www.gillhamsfishingresorts.com/newsletters/200910/images/october2009_0085_Amazon_red_tail_catfish_Scott_Mor ely.JPG

:
thinking: Isn't that John Snider from the Dukes of Hazzard?

HOU-TEX
05-01-2013, 10:12 AM
:kubepalm: I am so sick of political correctness.. Just leave it like it is.

Couldn't agree more!

IDEXAN
05-01-2013, 10:27 AM
Why not go with Washington Savages ? I like that.

Dread-Head
05-01-2013, 10:35 AM
Why not go with Washington Savages ? I like that.

:headhurts: The guy who played Kevin on The Wonder Years? Will Daniel Stern be doing stadium play by play?

(singing) "What would you do...if I sang...out of tune....."

mussop
05-02-2013, 12:56 AM
Couldn't agree more!

Here here!

Double Barrel
05-02-2013, 01:04 PM
*Yes I know the politically correct term is "native American" but I've met many who call themselves "Indians."

I do not think Native Americans mind the use of the term "Indian" when they still actively use it.

Oneida Indian Nation (http://www.oneidaindiannation.com/)

Monacan Indian Nation (http://www.monacannation.com/)

Shinnecock Indian Nation (http://www.shinnecocknation.com/)

Samish Indian Nation (http://www.samishtribe.nsn.us/)

Quinault Indian Nation (http://quinaultindiannation.com/)

Catawba Indian Nation (http://catawbaindian.net/)

Cowlitz Indian Tribe (http://www.cowlitz.org/)

Cocopah Indian Tribe (http://www.cocopah.com/)

Piscataway Indian Nation (http://www.piscatawaynation.org/)

NookSack Indian Tribe (http://nooksackindiantribe.org/)

And on and on...

steelbtexan
05-02-2013, 01:14 PM
Washington Crackheads


Dread, shocking that a unionized black man would favor the side of political correctness.

noxiousdog
05-02-2013, 01:17 PM
Before being forced to change their name, I would like to know how much Native Americans even care.

This came up with Florida State a few years back where one noisy group complained and got some press, and the rest of the Seminole Nation (real ones, not fans of the team) said hell no, we like them and the pre game rituals.

Dread-Head
05-02-2013, 01:23 PM
Washington Crackheads


Dread, shocking that a unionized black man would favor the side of political correctness.


:headhurts: "Politically correct?" It's a racial slur. I'm not siding with the city councilman on this one as I think he's trying to use this as a political spring board to run for mayor or congress, and I don't like the name he's suggesting. I am however saying that I've been siding with the Indians on this one since the 80s. If someone called a team the "Tennessee Tarbabies" I wouldn't be too keen on them either. For the record. I'm NOT IN THE UNION.

Dread-Head
05-02-2013, 01:24 PM
Before being forced to change their name, I would like to know how much Native Americans even care.

This came up with Florida State a few years back where one noisy group complained and got some press, and the rest of the Seminole Nation (real ones, not fans of the team) said hell no, we like them and the pre game rituals.

That's because they use the actual name and not some slur.

BIG TORO
05-02-2013, 01:33 PM
I thought Red tails was referring to hawks, not the airmen?

infantrycak
05-02-2013, 01:48 PM
That's because they use the actual name and not some slur.

You are assuming slur. The origins of the word are not even known.

It's use here was clearly not meant as a slur in honor of their Indian head coach.

Before being forced to change their name, I would like to know how much Native Americans even care.

This came up with Florida State a few years back where one noisy group complained and got some press, and the rest of the Seminole Nation (real ones, not fans of the team) said hell no, we like them and the pre game rituals.

The last poll found Washington Redskins was acceptable to 90% of Indians.

Dutchrudder
05-02-2013, 01:51 PM
Shinnecock Indian Nation (http://www.shinnecocknation.com/)



THat is a fantastic name for them. The Washington Shinnecocks! There's no way anyone will make fun of that name!

Double Barrel
05-02-2013, 01:54 PM
The last poll found Washington Redskins was acceptable to 90% of Indians.

Good (recent) article about it:

Native Americans Speaking Out In Support Of Redskins (http://sonofwashington.com/2013/03/01/native-americans-speaking-out-in-support-of-redskins/)

Dread-Head
05-02-2013, 02:21 PM
You are assuming slur. The origins of the word are not even known.

It's use here was clearly not meant as a slur in honor of their Indian head coach.

Fair enough. :thinking: But I'd like to think were I a football coach and a team decided to call themselves the Detroit Darkies to honor me that I might have an objection...or SUMTHIN'. Even if it's in jest...ehhhh.


The last poll found Washington Redskins was acceptable to 90% of Indians.

Truthfully...if the Indians don't have a problem with it then I withdraw my objection.

..THIS is why he's a lawyer.

MightyTExan
05-02-2013, 02:39 PM
I don't see how referring to the skin on their butts is an improvement. :mcnugget:


http://i.imgur.com/cK3kk2D.gif

Rey
05-02-2013, 02:49 PM
Just a side note, but I don't like the name "Indians"...

I have no idea if they are offended by that or not, but I just don't feel right not calling them Native Americans.

Carr Bombed
05-02-2013, 03:09 PM
That's because they use the actual name and not some slur.

My family comes from indian descent (Mom's side.. really shows in my sister who has a year around tan).. the name does not bother us AT ALL and we don't veiw it as a racial slur, mainly because we aren't so damn sensitive where we read into it more than it is and get offended.

The only people really bitching about it or those who are non native american and those who always want to turn everything into a race issue and gain political points or notoriety. Let it be.. it's a historic team and grandfathered in.

Dread-Head
05-02-2013, 03:26 PM
My family comes from indian descent (Mom's side.. really shows in my sister who has a year around tan).. the name does not bother us AT ALL and we don't veiw it as a racial slur, mainly because we aren't so damn sensitive where we read into it more than it is and get offended.

The only people really bitching about it or those who are non native american and those who always want to turn everything into a race issue and gain political points or notoriety. Let it be.. it's a historic team and grandfathered in.

Let the record show (and you can go back to my previous posts which followed the one you responded to confirm this) I was saying:

1. The whole thing looks like a DC politician trying to get his name in the papers.

2. "If Indians aren't offended then I withdraw my objection."

steelbtexan
05-02-2013, 03:26 PM
My family comes from indian descent (Mom's side.. really shows in my sister who has a year around tan).. the name does not bother us AT ALL and we don't veiw it as a racial slur, mainly because we aren't so damn sensitive where we read into it more than it is and get offended.

The only people really bitching about it or those who are non native american and those who always want to turn everything into a race issue and gain political points or notoriety. Let it be.. it's a historic team and grandfathered in.

Yep

For the record my family comes from Indian/Irish descent. I have the same features like your sister.

Sometimes I have a minor binge drinking problem too. LOL

Double Barrel
05-02-2013, 04:09 PM
Just a side note, but I don't like the name "Indians"...

I have no idea if they are offended by that or not, but I just don't feel right not calling them Native Americans.

Most of, if not all, the tribes still use the name "Indian", so I figure that's a good measure to gage their attitude toward it. My post up-thread has a bunch of links to various tribes' websites that use "Indian", so if they are not upset about it, I'm certainly not going to crusade against it.

I figure most of us are "native Americans" by birth, all things considered.

Dan B.
05-02-2013, 04:26 PM
lolz at the "My sister tans easy and I don't care." We all have African blood in us. Guess that means we're all African American too?

The Pencil Neck
05-02-2013, 04:49 PM
lolz at the "My sister tans easy and I don't care." We all have African blood in us. Guess that means we're all African American too?

We all have human blood in us.

That's all that really matters.

thunderkyss
05-02-2013, 06:07 PM
If they continue to push this issue, if I were in control of the Redskins, I would tell them... "If DC doesn't want the Redskins, the Redskins will find someone who does." Yes, LA would be mentioned somewhere in my reply.

steelbtexan
05-03-2013, 12:29 AM
lolz at the "My sister tans easy and I don't care." We all have African blood in us. Guess that means we're all African American too?

Does this mean my son will get the same opportunities that other minority students get to enter the school of his choice? Does he qualify for minority grants/loans?

Can I now be considered a minority business owner and receive those perks?

Vance87
05-03-2013, 01:04 AM
Just name them the Griffins already.

Thorn
05-03-2013, 06:51 AM
They will rename the team to Washington Politicians. After which the team will be given rights to search the visiting teams locker rooms (while they are in them), manufacture their own footballs, change the scoreboard at will, and run a deficit on their salary cap.

Kaiser Toro
05-03-2013, 07:40 AM
My half brother is half Pueblo Indian, and his mother placed 3rd in the Ms. Native American Pageant in the early 70's. They have each been die hard Redskins' fans and rock the colors and logo. She used to tell my dad, where else can we whip Cowboys on an annual basis?

This story is not about political correctness, it is about politics.

IDEXAN
05-03-2013, 07:47 AM
How about Washington "Injun Scalpers" ? That wouldn't offend anybody would
it ?

Carr Bombed
05-03-2013, 07:54 AM
lolz at the "My sister tans easy and I don't care." We all have African blood in us. Guess that means we're all African American too?

:lol: :wadepalm:

gwallaia
05-03-2013, 08:38 AM
How about the Washington Foreskins.

Stemp
05-03-2013, 09:57 AM
They will rename the team to Washington Politicians. After which the team will be given rights to search the visiting teams locker rooms (while they are in them), manufacture their own footballs, change the scoreboard at will, and run a deficit on their salary cap.

:cowboy1:

Hookem Horns
05-03-2013, 11:16 AM
How about the Washington Foreskins.

That would be offensive to the Jewish community.

Dread-Head
05-03-2013, 11:48 AM
How about the Washington Foreskins.

Hell of a team to get "cut" from.

The Pencil Neck
05-03-2013, 03:22 PM
The Washington Monuments
The Washington Lobbyists
The Washington Cherry Trees
The Washington Memorials
The Washington Bureaucrats
The Washington Filibusters
The Washington Gerrymanders
The Washington Debaters
The Washington Posts
The Washington Decrees
The Washington Lawyers

They've got a lot of good options.

Dread-Head
05-03-2013, 03:41 PM
The Washington Monuments
The Washington Lobbyists
The Washington Cherry Trees
The Washington Memorials
The Washington Bureaucrats
The Washington Filibusters
The Washington Gerrymanders
The Washington Debaters
The Washington Posts
The Washington Decrees
The Washington Lawyers

They've got a lot of good options.


:thinking: How about:

The Washington Debt.

or

The Washinton Gridlock

Double Barrel
05-03-2013, 03:44 PM
The Washington Pigskins

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/977/643/hi-res-82894399_display_image.jpg?1360788074

Dread-Head
05-03-2013, 03:52 PM
lolz at the "My sister tans easy and I don't care." We all have African blood in us. Guess that means we're all African American too?

:headhurts: Cha. That statement reminds me of an old joke. (Doc, Toronto & Gary...don't kick my butt over this one)


It's the late 50s and Sammy Davis Jr. walks into a synagogue and comes upon a rabbi who's facing the other way tidying up and says "Rabbi I want to convert to Judaism." The Rabbi looks up and sees that the person who made the statement is a short black man and says "You want to be a Jew?"

"Yes rabbi!." Sammy says emphatically grinning from ear to ear. "Very much." The rabbi sighs and hangs his head and says "You don't have enough problems?"

Dread-Head
05-03-2013, 03:52 PM
The Washington Pigskins

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/977/643/hi-res-82894399_display_image.jpg?1360788074

I like it.

The Pencil Neck
05-03-2013, 04:06 PM
:thinking: How about:

The Washington Debt.

or

The Washinton Gridlock

Yeah. See.

They almost write themselves.

bhsman
05-03-2013, 04:22 PM
The Washington Pigskins

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/977/643/hi-res-82894399_display_image.jpg?1360788074

I don't mind the Redtails name, but I'd probably prefer this. You could keep 'skins as a nickname and it would tie in with the Hoggettes.

IDEXAN
05-06-2013, 09:00 AM
Hey, I understand the "Wasinhgton Bullets" is now available ?

Hookem Horns
05-09-2013, 11:28 PM
Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder told USA Today the team's name will not change.

"We will never change the name of the team," Snyder told the newspaper in an interview this week. "As a lifelong Redskins fan, and I think that the Redskins fans understand the great tradition and what it's all about and what it means, so we feel pretty fortunate to be just working on next season."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9259866/daniel-snyder-says-washington-redskins-never-change-team-name

No surprise there.

CloakNNNdagger
07-05-2013, 08:32 AM
NY Times report that name change would have unbelievable maneuverings and costs associated with it.

Risk for Redskins in Makeover of Team Mascot (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/30/sports/football/risk-for-redskins-in-makeover-of-team-mascot.html?pagewanted=2&seid=auto&smid=tw-nytsports&pagewanted=all&_r=1&)

Hervoyel
07-05-2013, 12:17 PM
Imagine that they try to do this but take the least difficult route of keeping the logo and colors but changing the name. Just for conversation's sake say they went "Warriors", "Braves", or something like that. Maybe they strike an affiliation with a particular tribe that's open to the idea like the Seminoles did in Florida. What tribes were native to the D.C. area? Conoy and Powhatan per some map I found online (reliability unknown).

Many People are just going to continue to call them the Redskins. It wouldn't be enough for those who want it changed and nothing would be accomplished. It would have to go with both the name and logo changing and probably even then if you keep the colors it stays "Redskins" in the minds of most fans. No, they would literally have to change everything colors and all. Maybe they could keep the red as secondary color (if it doesn't hurt too many Native American's feelings that something in this world is "red" or that people use the word to describe "things") to tie-in to their past.

If you go almost anything related to Native Americans the rank and file will continue to refer to the team as the "Redskins" and then you will have a bunch of people using that word to describe a team named after some other more acceptable term for Native Americans. Better? Not really I don't imagine.

Dominant color, logo and name would have to go. I think they'll fight this to the end of time if possible.


I bet that you create a huge market for Redskins throwback jerseys which the league can't really fill if they're going to walk-the-walk of getting away from this name. Enter the counterfeit jersey folks in China to fill the void. On the positive side you know anyone with a new Redskins jersey is wearing a fake I guess. Depending on how many people are wearing them this may or may not be something they can deal with. It would be mighty embarrassing for the NFL if much of the stadium was filled with fake jerseys every Sunday.

HJam72
07-05-2013, 01:28 PM
I do not think Native Americans mind the use of the term "Indian" when they still actively use it.

Oneida Indian Nation (http://www.oneidaindiannation.com/)

Monacan Indian Nation (http://www.monacannation.com/)

Shinnecock Indian Nation (http://www.shinnecocknation.com/)

Samish Indian Nation (http://www.samishtribe.nsn.us/)

Quinault Indian Nation (http://quinaultindiannation.com/)

Catawba Indian Nation (http://catawbaindian.net/)

Cowlitz Indian Tribe (http://www.cowlitz.org/)

Cocopah Indian Tribe (http://www.cocopah.com/)

Piscataway Indian Nation (http://www.piscatawaynation.org/)

NookSack Indian Tribe (http://nooksackindiantribe.org/)

And on and on...

I'm going to laugh when the people of India sue.