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Yesterday
04-26-2013, 10:45 AM
Was just watching NFL network this AM, and was pretty surprised when I heard him say this. He said that Kubes has "publicly stated several times that the Texans need to draft a young QB." (I personally can't really remember any of these times) He claims that a Barkley or Geno or Nassib may be a target if they fall to us.

Personally, while I like the fact that drafting a QB would put ole noodle arm Schaub on the hot seat, I think we need to draft for need instead of future prospects.

El Tejano
04-26-2013, 10:48 AM
I'm all for drafting a QB if they are the best player but I'd like to see us go after that right side of the OL. I'd like us to possibly get Williams RT from NC.

DX-TEX
04-26-2013, 10:49 AM
Go home old man Casserly. You're drunk!

Yesterday
04-26-2013, 10:52 AM
I'm all for drafting a QB if they are the best player but I'd like to see us go after that right side of the OL. I'd like us to possibly get Williams RT from NC.

I still think Derek Newton is a decent player, won't ever be a pro bowler (but considering any more pro bowlers puts us over the cap, we need solid not superstar players unless they are on a rookie contract)

I'd like to see us draft a stud NT and perhaps a S to learn under Ed.

kingtexan
04-26-2013, 10:54 AM
Don't see Barkley or Nassib making it to us, and wouldn't want Smith.

Porky
04-26-2013, 11:04 AM
I doubt if any of these three make it to us, but if they do, I would be interested.

I'm looking at TE, LB, RT as the most likely choices in rd 2 but we'll see. Can't rule out DB or DL either. In fact Margus Hunt or Short would be good picks here. Tons of guys that can be impact players or at least solid starters still available.

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2013, 11:12 AM
I doubt if any of these three make it to us, but if they do, I would be interested.

I'm looking at TE, LB, RT as the most likely choices in rd 2 but we'll see. Can't rule out DB or DL either. In fact Margus Hunt or Short would be good picks here. Tons of guys that can be impact players or at least solid starters still available.

^^^ This.

Except I'd go ahead and just say BPA at TE, LB, RT, DL. DB only if there's absolutely no one at the other positions that grade out at this round.

Mr teX
04-26-2013, 11:34 AM
I kinda could see this to be honest. With the kind of money we've got invested in Schaub, it makes sense for us to take a qb somewhere in the 2nd-3rd round to develop now. That way if we decide to part ways with Schaub in 2014 that developmental qb is ready for 2015 after sitting for a year....This would be comensurate with our window of opportunity to win now.

This also affords Yates the chance to land the job if by some impossible circumstance Schaub gets hurt in 2014..................yeah, that was sarcasm:corrosion:

Dutchrudder
04-26-2013, 11:47 AM
It's crazy to think that the Chiefs gave up the 34th selection for Alex Smith, when they could have held onto it and waited to see what QBs fall to that spot. At least 2 of Geno, Nassib and Barkley will be there at that pick for a fraction of the cost of Alex Smith. I bet the 49ers trade back from that spot and let the Cardinals or Jets jump up to get one of those QBs.

LikeMike
04-26-2013, 12:52 PM
IŽd be 100% behind drafting a QB - if we feel like a franchise QB is just falling in our laps. I really like Yates, but I think is ceiling is a good game manager. And if we don`t want to suffer through a lengthy adjustment period, it would be smart to get Schaubs successor and let him sit a year or two.

That being said - don`t reach. Only take a QB if you are in love with him. This team has several holes, so the only reason to take a QB is, if we believe we grab a potential franchise QB at a bargain.

And in the end, I don`t believe that any of the top 3 remaining QBs will be there when we pick.

nero THE zero
04-26-2013, 01:00 PM
It's crazy to think that the Chiefs gave up the 34th selection for Alex Smith, when they could have held onto it and waited to see what QBs fall to that spot. At least 2 of Geno, Nassib and Barkley will be there at that pick for a fraction of the cost of Alex Smith. I bet the 49ers trade back from that spot and let the Cardinals or Jets jump up to get one of those QBs.

Doubtful that any of those guys outperform Smith this year and there will be several good (better) QB prospects available next year (e.g. Boyd, Manziel, Bridgewater, etc.)

badboy
04-26-2013, 01:12 PM
Given Yates two years in system + his rookie starting time to give confidence, there is no QB in this draft that is better than he. He is our developmental QB and depsite others posts I think he has not reached his ceiling. Yes, one of these QB could beat out
Keenum but I would not place a second round pick on PS & woul not want to carry three QBs on roster this season. Let's use our next four picks to address weak areas. OLB, NT, ILB & safety. We should be able to get a decent OT in 5th also.

Brisco_County
04-26-2013, 01:24 PM
"Who's been wrong more than Casserly? His percentage is like a meteorologist." --Bill Belichick

ChampionTexan
04-26-2013, 01:37 PM
It's crazy to think that the Chiefs gave up the 34th selection for Alex Smith, when they could have held onto it and waited to see what QBs fall to that spot. At least 2 of Geno, Nassib and Barkley will be there at that pick for a fraction of the cost of Alex Smith. I bet the 49ers trade back from that spot and let the Cardinals or Jets jump up to get one of those QBs.

Eh - a bird in the hand....

Besides, as lackluster as Smith has been, the slight resurgence over the last two season (well, the 2011 and 1/2 of the 2012 season) gives me no confidence that any of those guys ends up better than Smith even in the long run (much less in their rookie or sophomore year).

The bottom line is that any team looking for a future top-10 NFL QB probably has lots of better places to look than the 2012 NFL draft. If it happens, it wouldn't be the first time zero good NFL quarterbacks came out of a draft class.

Texanmike02
04-26-2013, 01:38 PM
I think we should and Asserly thinks we are potentially going to? Great. Not only do I feel stupid for agreeing with Asserly it isn't going to happen now. I say we draft a punter in the second now.

Mike

Dutchrudder
04-26-2013, 01:52 PM
Doubtful that any of those guys outperform Smith this year and there will be several good (better) QB prospects available next year (e.g. Boyd, Manziel, Bridgewater, etc.)

So Alex Smith should do better than any of those QBs listed, but they should be looking ahead to the 2014 draft for a QB? Well, if they do too good next year, say 5+ wins, then they probably won't have a shot at getting Boyd or Bridgewater, who will likely be top 3 picks. JFF might be available, but I don't really see him as a franchise QB in the NFL.

On top of that, you gotta think about the future in salary cap football. The Chiefs could cut Alex Smith after this year and will have paid him 10.25m for his one year of service. Compare that to a pick at 34, who will likely cost about 5-6m over 4 years. Yeah, I think I'll take my chances with Geno Smith in Andy Reid's system, thanks.

Corrosion
04-26-2013, 02:09 PM
It's crazy to think that the Chiefs gave up the 34th selection for Alex Smith, when they could have held onto it and waited to see what QBs fall to that spot. At least 2 of Geno, Nassib and Barkley will be there at that pick for a fraction of the cost of Alex Smith. I bet the 49ers trade back from that spot and let the Cardinals or Jets jump up to get one of those QBs.

I dont think its all that crazy .... Alex Smith is a proven NFL starter at the QB spot. His 2011 season was great - only 5 INT's in 16 starts (445 attempts) , I believe that tied an NFL record.
Thru 10 games in 2012 he was even better than 2011 posting a QB rating of 104.1 and a 70+% completion percentage prior to the injury and the decision to stick with Kaepernick

Ive gone on record as saying I didnt think any of this years QB crop was of NFL quality - I stand by that statement.


I'd take Smith over any QB in this years draft .... (next year is a totally different story).

nero THE zero
04-26-2013, 02:11 PM
So Alex Smith should do better than any of those QBs listed, but they should be looking ahead to the 2014 draft for a QB?
It'd be more accurate (but not totally accurate) to say, "Alex Smith should do better than any of the QB's listed, or they should be looking ahead to the 2014 draft for a QB."

But, yes, I am essentially saying I would rather take my chances with Alex Smith in 2013 and whatever the future holds than with Geno Smith/Matt Barkley/etc. in 2013, 2014, 2015, etc.

Playoffs
04-26-2013, 02:54 PM
Casserly.:wadepalm:

Honoring Earl 34
04-26-2013, 03:33 PM
Casserly wants the Texans to take Derek Carr a year early .

Big Lou
04-26-2013, 03:48 PM
There is a very good reason that Casserly is no longer a GM, and he just demonstrated it.......

ChampionTexan
04-26-2013, 04:32 PM
Casserly wants the Texans to take Derek Carr a year early .

Charley can draft him to be the next NFLN intern.

ASidd_1990
04-26-2013, 04:55 PM
Casserly.:wadepalm:

Playoffs, we talking about playoffs?????

I see you boy!!!!

:evil::pissed:

IDEXAN
04-26-2013, 05:03 PM
There is a very good reason that Casserly is no longer a GM, and he just demonstrated it.......
Say what you want to about Casserly if you don't like him, but he was the GM when the Texans put together their greatest draft ever, and one of the better Drafts of the 2001-10 decade. Now they were drafting #1 of course, but they took full advantage of it. No less than 5 starters produced by that Draft including 3 players who were each in one or more pro bowls.

bckey
04-26-2013, 05:04 PM
"Who's been wrong more than Casserly? His percentage is like a meteorologist." --Bill Belichick

That is hilarious!


I heard Casserly say that this morning on NFL network. I wouldn't mind a qb but please not Barkley. Schaub 2.0. I do have to give Casserly credit for his mock yesterday. He had the Texans taking Deandre Hopkins.

Dutchrudder
04-26-2013, 05:09 PM
It'd be more accurate (but not totally accurate) to say, "Alex Smith should do better than any of the QB's listed, or they should be looking ahead to the 2014 draft for a QB."

But, yes, I am essentially saying I would rather take my chances with Alex Smith in 2013 and whatever the future holds than with Geno Smith/Matt Barkley/etc. in 2013, 2014, 2015, etc.

Well, I really don't think highly of Alex Smith at all, and I think the Chiefs just got Matt Cassel'd again. The change in the 49ers offense from Alex Smith to Kaepernick was minimal, their points scored, yards and RZ efficiency was very similar. So changing to an unproven 2nd year player shows little change in the system, yet the 29 year old vet was surprised he lost his starting job.

I think we saw the best that Alex Smith can do in ideal circumstances, an excellent coach, a great team around him on both sides of the ball, arguably the best offensive line in the NFL, and a solid running game. It's the same kind of thing that happened with Cassel in NE, he got to start in a great system with a top notch team around him, inflated his value, and was shipped off to KC for a 2nd round pick. It will be deja vu all over again for the Chiefs, whereas they could have been sitting here knowing they will have one of these 3 QBs for the next 4 years for less total money guaranteed to Smith in one year. I don't know that any of those QBs will be better than Smith beyond 2013, but I will say they have more potential to be good, and that's why I think they chose poorly here.

mussop
04-26-2013, 05:22 PM
Given Yates two years in system + his rookie starting time to give confidence, there is no QB in this draft that is better than he. He is our developmental QB and depsite others posts I think he has not reached his ceiling. Yes, one of these QB could beat out
Keenum but I would not place a second round pick on PS & woul not want to carry three QBs on roster this season. Let's use our next four picks to address weak areas. OLB, NT, ILB & safety. We should be able to get a decent OT in 5th also.

:ahhaha:

infantrycak
04-26-2013, 05:27 PM
Say what you want to about Casserly if you don't like him, but he was the GM when the Texans put together their greatest draft ever, and one of the better Drafts of the 2001-10 decade. Now they were drafting #1 of course, but they took full advantage of it. No less than 5 starters produced by that Draft including 3 players who were each in one or more pro bowls.

He was present but was not the architect of the draft.

Playoffs
04-26-2013, 05:36 PM
Playoffs, we talking about playoffs?????

I see you boy!!!!

:evil::pissed:

What is your malfunction, Abdul? I'm not your ****ing boy, and I've had enough of your following me around TTalk with your childish posts.

I suggest you grow up and move on.

rmartin65
04-26-2013, 05:39 PM
What is your malfunction, Abdul? I'm not your ****ing boy, and I've had enough of your following me around TTalk with your childish posts.

I suggest you grow up and move on.

Just ignore him, like everybody else does.

Lucky
04-26-2013, 05:49 PM
Don't see Barkley or Nassib making it to us, and wouldn't want Smith.
I don't see Barkley or Smith making it to #57. But, they would have to consider them if they did. Nassib=Yates and doesn't buy them anything. Matt Scott of Arizona would give the Texans a different dynamic at QB. He's a project, but would be worth one of the late 3rd rounders.

bckey
04-26-2013, 05:50 PM
Say what you want to about Casserly if you don't like him, but he was the GM when the Texans put together their greatest draft ever, and one of the better Drafts of the 2001-10 decade. Now they were drafting #1 of course, but they took full advantage of it. No less than 5 starters produced by that Draft including 3 players who were each in one or more pro bowls.

He was present but was not the architect of the draft.

Yep Cak is right. Casserly was already on his way out.

thunderkyss
04-26-2013, 05:53 PM
I kinda could see this to be honest. With the kind of money we've got invested in Schaub, it makes sense for us to take a qb somewhere in the 2nd-3rd round to develop now. That way if we decide to part ways with Schaub in 2014 that developmental qb is ready for 2015 after sitting for a year....This would be comensurate with our window of opportunity to win now.

This also affords Yates the chance to land the job if by some impossible circumstance Schaub gets hurt in 2014..................yeah, that was sarcasm:corrosion:

Only if you think there is a guy there who could be a productive starter in the near future. If you see someone you think can be that guy then yeah, grab him in the second. If for some reason you think no one else is looking at him.. see if you can wait until the third.

Or even the 5th... & that's who I think Tj is. He's the guy we're grooming. Has all the tools & looks to be smart enough. Do I think Tj could be a starter in this league? I have no idea. But we've got our starter, we've got our back-up. We've got our back-ups back-up & his back up too... No need to be looking at QBs.

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2013, 06:06 PM
Only if you think there is a guy there who could be a productive starter in the near future. If you see someone you think can be that guy then yeah, grab him in the second. If for some reason you think no one else is looking at him.. see if you can wait until the third.

Or even the 5th... & that's who I think Tj is. He's the guy we're grooming. Has all the tools & looks to be smart enough. Do I think Tj could be a starter in this league? I have no idea. But we've got our starter, we've got our back-up. We've got our back-ups back-up & his back up too... No need to be looking at QBs.

If we draft a QB tonight, it will mean that TJ is almost definitely out and they don't trust him if Matt goes down. I'd be surprised by that.

But I expect us to draft a QB high next year to groom to be Schaub's replacement in a year or two.

mussop
04-26-2013, 06:37 PM
Come the 4th round I would take any one of Brey, Wilson, Scott or Dysert. All of these guys have more talent than Yates.

ASidd_1990
04-27-2013, 02:46 AM
What is your malfunction, Abdul? I'm not your ****ing boy, and I've had enough of your following me around TTalk with your childish posts.

I suggest you grow up and move on.

:evil::swatter::mariopalm::pissed::goodpost::smili epalm:

kingtexan
04-27-2013, 11:20 AM
I'm thinking we go QB today at some point. Maybe catch one of those late round gems.

LikeMike
04-27-2013, 11:27 AM
I'm thinking we go QB today at some point. Maybe catch one of those late round gems.

I actually doubt it... either someone falls to us that we think is too good to pass up (Barkley, Nassib...) - or we will adress our other needs and grab bpa.

We have Yates as the primary backup - a late round prospect won`t take his space. And I don`t think we draft a 3d QB now... especially with us having 2 young ones to sit behind Schaub. The only way we draft a QB is, if we think his value is just too good and he can develope into a franchise QB.

Malloy
04-27-2013, 11:35 AM
Barkley just compared to Schaub on the pre-show on NFL Network :)

Honoring Earl 34
04-27-2013, 11:49 AM
Barkley just compared to Schaub on the pre-show on NFL Network :)

I think Barkley can out run the OL . :gamer:

Malloy
04-27-2013, 11:52 AM
I think Barkley can out run the OL . :gamer:

haha, I sure hope so! :)