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LikeMike
04-25-2013, 11:37 PM
What grade do you give the Texans for their first round selection?

Corrosion
04-25-2013, 11:38 PM
A+


They had their pick of the WR's and got the best of the group slated to go in round 1.

eriadoc
04-25-2013, 11:39 PM
With the caveat that one year's A grade doesn't match another year's, I give them an A. They had their pick of WR and they didn't screw around.

JCTexan
04-25-2013, 11:43 PM
My grade for the pick is an A. Outside of Austin, They had their choice of WR's. I have to think they got the man they coveted.

LikeMike
04-25-2013, 11:45 PM
Here is Walter Footballs grade:

Houston Texans (Last Year: 12-4)

2013 NFL Draft Individual Grades:

27. DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson: A Grade
Charlie and I were told the Texans would draft Justin Hunter - but only if DeAndre Hopkins was off the board. Hopkins was discussed to be a candidate for No. 14 overall to the Panthers, so we figured that he wouldn't be available. Well, the Texans lucked out and got their man. Hopkins is a sound, pro-ready receiver who should be able to step in immediately as the starter across from Andre Johnson.

badboy
04-25-2013, 11:47 PM
Other than the hotel room incident, I really like this pick. Should start WR 2 and imo could be eventual WR1. His pro day he got a 4.46 and 4.41 which is much better than combine. He appears to be most NFL ready and our strengthening coaches should pump him up. Now let's go get OLB/ILB/NT/and a safety.

Playoffs
04-25-2013, 11:48 PM
A++

My favorite for us. AJ, Jr.

GP
04-25-2013, 11:49 PM
You give an "A" for these reasons:

1.) Andre Johnson is getting older,

2.) Schaub is losing weapons AND needing that help ASAP (remember December? And the Patriots playoff game where James Casey dropped a sure TD right in his hands?).

3.) From what I've read leading up to the draft, Tavon Austin was going to be the first WR taken...no surprise he went early on in Round 1. Which means...

4.) Some team is going to start the run on the remaining WRs, and we did just that by selecting Hopkins.

Is he going to STAY an "A" grade? I dunno. Lots of people were high on Keyshawn Martin in camp, and in preseason, and he sort of clammed up in the reg season.

I gave it an "A."

Honoring Earl 34
04-25-2013, 11:51 PM
That's who I was leaning toward .

Ryan
04-25-2013, 11:53 PM
First time i've been pumped about a Texans 1st rounder since we took Cushing.

mussop
04-25-2013, 11:55 PM
A+


They had their pick of the WR's and got the best of the group slated to go in round 1.

Felt bad for taking him in the TT Mock. New you would take him for the Texans but I like him alot. He is the only WR I wanted at 27 after I got Patterson out of my head.

The1ApplePie
04-25-2013, 11:55 PM
B, though very close to an A. Glade a weapon was added.

Really glad it wasn't Teo

drs23
04-25-2013, 11:56 PM
I voted A because there wasn't an A++ choice. I'v been on his bandwagon for a while. First time my guy has been picked! Great choice and day 1 starter. Great call Rick!

Playoffs
04-26-2013, 12:00 AM
Great friggin night! Draft falls for us to get our pick of the little WR,

And Jerruh made the night all that much better by reaching down into the 3rd round for their pick. :lol:

:fans:

Lucky
04-26-2013, 12:00 AM
I give it a solid B. They filled a need and didn't take a lot of risk. They got a day one starter who should plug in and produce good numbers immediately. I don't see Hopkins as a Pro Bowler, that's what keeps me from giving an A.

jppaul
04-26-2013, 12:01 AM
Not super excited but a very solid pick, just not a game changer for me, but hey I felt the exact same way about Watt, two years ago. Based on that it is a homerun, I guess I just prefer more of a gamble in a first rounder, right or wrong.

DocBar
04-26-2013, 12:01 AM
I'm going to go with a B. I think there were better choices at need positions, but I'm good with this pick. I hope he's a hard worker and ends up being the Texans best receiver ever. That would be one hell of an accomplishment.

rmartin65
04-26-2013, 12:04 AM
A+. We needed a wide receiver, and he is a great balance of potential and floor. I am excited to see this guy's career unfold.

Hervoyel
04-26-2013, 12:09 AM
I'm good with the pick. I wanted a WR if there were any good ones left at our spot and it turned out that we damn near had our pick of good ones. We chose one of the guys I thought would be a good fit so I'm happy.

Now it's time to see how the rest of the draft unfolds. The next three rounds are where we need to come through and find some immediate contributors.

TexansSeminole
04-26-2013, 12:10 AM
I give it an A. It was the guy I wanted. I think he fits what we do on offense very well and has shown that he can beat NFL caliber corners. Good run after catch, strength to make the difficult catches over the middle or on poor throws. Look at the LSU, FSU, and NCState games. He can play now and contribute now, in my opinion.

I'm ecstatic!

moonsh0t
04-26-2013, 12:11 AM
I guess I just prefer more of a gamble in a first rounder, right or wrong.

http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/d/d7/LOL_WUT_PEAR.jpg

TheRealJoker
04-26-2013, 12:14 AM
We went out and picked the best WR on our board for our team in this draft at pick #27.

Doesn't get much better than that without seeing the kids play NFL football.

eriadoc
04-26-2013, 12:14 AM
B, though very close to an A. Glade a weapon was added.

Really glad it wasn't Teo

I give it a solid B. They filled a need and didn't take a lot of risk. They got a day one starter who should plug in and produce good numbers immediately. I don't see Hopkins as a Pro Bowler, that's what keeps me from giving an A.

Just curious - What pick would have given an A?

The1ApplePie
04-26-2013, 12:17 AM
Just curious - What pick would have given an A?

I like Patterson's upside, though he has such huge bust potential that I would probably give that a B as well.

Maybe would have give an A for Woods, but that is just because I'm a USC fanboy and more familiar with him

eriadoc
04-26-2013, 12:25 AM
I like Patterson's upside, though he has such huge bust potential that I would probably give that a B as well.

Maybe would have give an A for Woods, but that is just because I'm a USC fanboy and more familiar with him

So you probably weren't giving an A no matter what. That's why I stated that this year's A grade doesn't match other years. An A this year might be a B in a different year. But hey, you go with what's out there. I think the Texans did everything right, given the situation.

Corrosion
04-26-2013, 12:55 AM
Felt bad for taking him in the TT Mock. New you would take him for the Texans but I like him alot. He is the only WR I wanted at 27 after I got Patterson out of my head.

Probably the only one of the WR's we discussed as being first round material that I would have taken @ 27 .... Hence I took Short.


No reason to feel bad about it. But I think that was one of those situations where we as Texans fans valued a specific position above some others as I didnt really see the Packers taking / needing a WR. I thought they needed defensive help - DE/OLB/S as well as someone to keep Rodgers upright.

Seems like the NFL GM's agree'd with us with the early run on OT's .... 9 of the first 19 picks were OL.

We didnt take any RB's in the first round - neither did the GM's. (first time thats happened since 1967)

Lucky
04-26-2013, 12:56 AM
Just curious - What pick would have given an A?
Well, had they gotten one of the top 3 OTs, that would have been A worthy. Or a edge rusher like Jordan. I would not have given an A for Tavon Austin. I probably would've give an A grade for Patterson, because I felt he had Dez Bryant/Percy Harvin type ability. But was he a fit in the Texans WCO? I don't think there's any question that Hopkins is a good fit.

kiwitexansfan
04-26-2013, 12:58 AM
From what I have seen looks like a talented player.

Not a fan of WRs in the 1st round however.

Should be interesting to see what Johnson, Hopkins, Posey and Martin can put together when everyone is fit.

Corrosion
04-26-2013, 01:00 AM
Saw this when it aired last week , figured I'd share it with the rest of you - Hopkins on Sports Science - 48 straight 1 hand catches (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1nHtKg5AQ0)

Also one hand catches from TWO yards away from the JUGS machine.

TexanBacker93
04-26-2013, 01:00 AM
I really like this pick. I don't like picking for need, but I think they went with the best player on their board.

I didn't watch enough college games to really know who would be better between the available receivers. Based on videos and what I've read, though, I think we picked up the best receiver out there. He'll be a great compliment to Andre.

Wolf6151
04-26-2013, 01:53 AM
This pick was great, easily an A+

Number19
04-26-2013, 07:59 AM
A solid A. I never figured he would be there for us. Patterson was taken at #28 - now if there's just a run on WR in the 2nd round this might drop another quality player to us at #57.

HTown2ATX
04-26-2013, 09:13 AM
I give it an A! None of the WR's made my jaw drop in this draft, however, the Texans actually finally filled this need and broke out of the "we only take soup kitchen, church going, perfect credit score players" mentality and showed little gumption and took this guy.

Dude seems like he is a beast just lacks top speed. I'm confident 'Dre can teach this young pup how to ball like a beast!

Now if only the China Doll can not throw it out of bounds and actually throw someone else the ball besides Andre.

Thorn
04-26-2013, 09:16 AM
for now, I'll give it an A. On paper, it looks like a great selection.

Rey
04-26-2013, 09:32 AM
Hopkins is a beast. Will make an immediate impact.

Dude plays like a buzz saw. Could easily be the best WR the Texans have ever had behind Andre Johnson.

GP
04-26-2013, 09:46 AM
Well, had they gotten one of the top 3 OTs, that would have been A worthy. Or a edge rusher like Jordan. I would not have given an A for Tavon Austin. I probably would've give an A grade for Patterson, because I felt he had Dez Bryant/Percy Harvin type ability. But was he a fit in the Texans WCO? I don't think there's any question that Hopkins is a good fit.

How would the Texans at #27 have a shot at the top 3 OTs? Honest question.

bckey
04-26-2013, 09:51 AM
I like the pick. Hopkins will fit right in. I didn't think he would be there for the Texans at 27. There were only 3 recievers that I thought were 1st rounders and they were the 3 recievers taken in the 1st round. The Texans probably never considered Austin so they basically had their choice and got their man. Grade. A

Rey
04-26-2013, 09:58 AM
For all those that wanted Patterson, according to some source I can't remember Hopkins was the Texans top WR target (obvious now), but they thought he'd go before they picked. There next choice, and who they went into the draft prepared to draft, was Justin Hunter...Not Patterson...

Anyways...I give this pick an A....

Hopkins is a beast. I just didn't see elite physical talents from him, but the dude is a baller. Very happy to have him.

80tothezone
04-26-2013, 10:13 AM
Well, had they gotten one of the top 3 OTs, that would have been A worthy. Or a edge rusher like Jordan. I would not have given an A for Tavon Austin. I probably would've give an A grade for Patterson, because I felt he had Dez Bryant/Percy Harvin type ability. But was he a fit in the Texans WCO? I don't think there's any question that Hopkins is a good fit.

I think we are set for starters on D, Reed is solid Mercilus is gonna be really good. Solid in the middle with Cushing and dobbins. Solid outside with jo jo, and jackson, safety well we got Reed and manning.

It seems like the biggest Glaring need was a solid #2 WR. You can fill the rest of the depth in rd 2 and beyond. We needed a starter at WR and depth everywhere else I think they could not have made a better call. Hopkins plays like a beast just like dre. Beef him up a little and we found our Reggie Wayne!
Not to mention if either Posey or Martin shows up next yr you can use him to give Dre a breather from time to time.

Now if we can get a starting ILB or OLB in rd 2 (moving Reed inside next to cushing) I will be happy too but the biggest need was at WR. We lost those games at the end of 2012 because teams figured out that if you blanket #80 it shuts us down. Our defensive problems came from them being on the field to much and injuries. So you draft depth there and get a solid starting #2 WR. Which we did A+ Rick!!!

HuttoKarl
04-26-2013, 10:21 AM
For all those that wanted Patterson, according to some source I can't remember Hopkins was the Texans top WR target (obvious now), but they thought he'd go before they picked. There next choice, and who they went into the draft prepared to draft, was Justin Hunter...Not Patterson...

Anyways...I give this pick an A....

Hopkins is a beast. I just didn't see elite physical talents from him, but the dude is a baller. Very happy to have him.


I remember JJ Watt being seen as a hard worker, high motor guy that maybe wasn't the strongest, fastest, best guy in college. I like work ethic guys and think Hopkins fits that mold. Love this pick.

76Texan
04-26-2013, 10:35 AM
I'm not grading him yet until I review more games.

Right now, I wish the Texans had traded down though; perhaps multiple trades - down and then back up into the mid second, keeping two seconds and two thirds is the key.

tru80texan
04-26-2013, 10:43 AM
For all those that wanted Patterson, according to some source I can't remember Hopkins was the Texans top WR target (obvious now), but they thought he'd go before they picked. There next choice, and who they went into the draft prepared to draft, was Justin Hunter...Not Patterson...

Anyways...I give this pick an A....

Hopkins is a beast. I just didn't see elite physical talents from him, but the dude is a baller. Very happy to have him.

I agree, Hopkins is a beast! I was excited as he was falling right into our lap. He was the 2nd best WR behind Austin imo. Good, size, good hands, good speed...what more could you ask for & how couldn't you give this "A" grade is beyond me. I only thought Hopkins, Hunter, & Allen were the options but the latter 2 have question marks. Patterson's too raw & the mental aspect of his game was being questioned too much. Needless to say, I'm excited about having DeAndre in Houston & FINALLY a guy w/ true #2 potential.

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2013, 10:50 AM
For all those that wanted Patterson, according to some source I can't remember Hopkins was the Texans top WR target (obvious now), but they thought he'd go before they picked. There next choice, and who they went into the draft prepared to draft, was Justin Hunter...Not Patterson...

Anyways...I give this pick an A....

Hopkins is a beast. I just didn't see elite physical talents from him, but the dude is a baller. Very happy to have him.

I said a while back that people should just remove Patterson from their boards because he's just not the type of guy Kubiak wants in the huddle.

Porky
04-26-2013, 11:31 AM
Solid A for me. WR was the only true glaring need on the team imo.

I studied the WR's more than any other position this year. Several weeks ago, I really honed in on Hopkins as a real good fit for what the Texans need.

Sort of a poor man's AJ in some respects. Not the physical specimen that Andre is/was but his game reminds me of Andre - plays physical, good run after catch, comes up big when it matters, consistently productive, willing blocker, good route runner, not a huge deep threat or true burner but can get deep when needed. I loved watching the clips of him, and he dominated some damn good teams/corners.

High floor for this guy. I don't see bust when I look at him. Safest WR pick in the draft imo, and he is the most polished as well. He is ready to start now opposite Andre. It would be a huge upset if he isn't starting day one. Plug him in for the next decade.

Guys that he compares too (at least for me) - A. Boldin, R. Wayne, Roddy White.

Great job Rick and company! :smooch:

HTown2ATX
04-26-2013, 11:39 AM
http://nfl.si.com/2013/04/25/deandre-hopkins-selected-no-27-by-houston-texans/

LikeMike
04-26-2013, 11:39 AM
I'm not grading him yet until I review more games.

Right now, I wish the Texans had traded down though; perhaps multiple trades - down and then back up into the mid second, keeping two seconds and two thirds is the key.

I´m really looking forward to your analysis... in the past drafts those were a real help for us out of towners (or out of continenters) to evalue players we haven`t reallly seen play.

The1ApplePie
04-26-2013, 11:49 AM
I think I will got to A, now that I've had a night to think it over.

I was still pissed at the Boys for passing on Floyd.

bckey
04-26-2013, 12:02 PM
I think we are set for starters on D, Reed is solid Mercilus is gonna be really good. Solid in the middle with Cushing and dobbins. Solid outside with jo jo, and jackson, safety well we got Reed and manning.

I'm not sold on Mitchell. The Texans need to draft a good nt. Teams are going to focus on JJ this year and the Texans need to draft some help on the dl for him.

Dobbins is 30 years old and more of a backup than a starter. The Texans need a good ILB next to Cushing. And they don't know how Cushing will be this year after surgery. But Cushing is such a workout warrior that he will probably be back full force. The other option is to kick Reed inside by drafting an OLB. Maybe draft ILB and OLB because in the 3-4 defense LB's are the heart and soul.

The Texans also need someone to replace Antonio Smith in case they don't resign him next year. So DE becomes another important need. They drafted Crick last year but the jury is still out on him. Need depth at DE at the very least.

And finally Ed Reed was a great signing but the guy is 35 and an injury away from leaving a gaping hole in the Texans defense. Plus I believe the wise thing to do would be to draft a good safety prospect to learn under one of the greatest all time.

So yeah I agree with you about the Texans needing depth. But I also think they have some questionable players starting that could be replaced with the right picks.

HOU-TEX
04-26-2013, 12:08 PM
I said a while back that people should just remove Patterson from their boards because he's just not the type of guy Kubiak wants in the huddle.

I never had him. Heck, I didn't even think he should go in the 1st round at all.

ObsiWan
04-26-2013, 12:09 PM
I'm not grading him yet until I review more games.

Right now, I wish the Texans had traded down though; perhaps multiple trades - down and then back up into the mid second, keeping two seconds and two thirds is the key.

I had no idea you were this greedy
:kitten:

76Texan
04-26-2013, 12:54 PM
I had no idea you were this greedy
:kitten:

I guess I didn't make it clear enough.

Let say we did the trade that the Patriots did; it would give us the following picks: 52 (2nd rd), 83 (third round), 102 (fourth round), and 229 (7th round).

We also have these picks: 57 (second round), 89 (third round), 95 (third round), and five other picks.

That's a total of two (2) second rounders, three (3) third rounders and seven (7) other picks.

From 52, to move up to the middle (48) is only 4 slots.
What I mean is that we should be able to use one or two mid and/or late round picks to move up 4-8 spots in the second round, keeping intact two second rounders and three third rounders (rather than 2 third rounders as I had stated.)

Not that we have to, but if we want to, we could.

infantrycak
04-26-2013, 01:14 PM
I guess I didn't make it clear enough.

Let say we did the trade that the Patriots did; it would give us the following picks: 52 (2nd rd), 83 (third round), 102 (fourth round), and 229 (7th round).

We also have these picks: 57 (second round), 89 (third round), 95 (third round), and five other picks.

That's a total of two (2) second rounders, three (3) third rounders and seven (7) other picks.

From 52, to move up to the middle (48) is only 4 slots.
What I mean is that we should be able to use one or two mid and/or late round picks to move up 4-8 spots in the second round, keeping intact two second rounders and three third rounders (rather than 2 third rounders as I had stated.)

Not that we have to, but if we want to, we could.

Quote from the Panthers GM which I think applies superbly to this situation:

“No. Why not? . . . If I have a dollar, I’d rather have the dollar than the three dimes. That’s all there is to it,” Gettleman said. “There’s no, listen, when you trade back, you can think you’re smart, but there’s no guarantee, there are none. From my view, Star was too good to pass up. Why talk yourself out of somebody good, ‘Oh I’m going to be clever.

ThaJokaa
04-26-2013, 01:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13cTixvMEos&feature=player_embedded

dude is a beast

bckey
04-26-2013, 01:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13cTixvMEos&feature=player_embedded

dude is a beast

Thanks Jokaa! Hopkins is a beast. Watch the other video a TT poster named Yesterday posted on here about his hands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1nHtKg5AQ0

I think the Texans were stunned that only Austin had been taken prior to their pick at 27. No brainer pick. At only 20 years old he can probably still beef up some more. This guy will be a play maker. Welcome aboard Hopkins!

Blake
04-26-2013, 01:54 PM
I gave it a B, but really it should be an A. I like that they filled a need, and got a real football player. You cant argue with the pick unless you just prefer WR player A over WR player B. And that is based on the information you have, and not the information the Texans have. At least we didnt take a Center projected by most in the 3rd round.

Dutchrudder
04-26-2013, 01:58 PM
I really like this pick, and I don't think the Texans had to hesitate to pick him, however I do think the Vikings offered their 2nd, 3rd and 4th to the Texans to move into that spot for Patterson. The Texans let the clock run down to about 2 minutes left when the pick was made, so you know they were discussing the trade back, but they used the pick instead. That tells me a lot about how much they wanted Hopkins, and I think he's a great fit for our offense, and should contribute from day 1. Great start to the draft, I just hope there's a run on WRs, QBs and Centers in the 2nd so that some good defensive guys fall to us.

76Texan
04-26-2013, 03:03 PM
Quote from the Panthers GM which I think applies superbly to this situation:

Well, Bill Belichik would disagree and he has the record to prove it.

And it's not like I'm advocating trading down all the times. You do it when it makes sense. The Texans traded back last year, didn't they?

This year, if the Texans had made the trade that Belichik executed, with pick 52 and 83, they might be able to get 2 out of the 7 or 8 receivers remaining that a lot of TT draftniks would be happy with. Let them two compete with each other and the guys we currently have for the two spots next to AJ.

Hunter, Rodgers, Patton, Dobson, Allen, Woods, Wheaton are some of the names.
Or the Texans can use one pick for a WR and one for a choice of OT, pass rusher (DE or OLB), ILB, NT, safety.

And they still have the 102 pick for addl' depth and the extra seventh to take a flyer on a guy that is really raw or didn't have a clear position.

To me, that makes a lot of sense.

Brandon420tx
04-26-2013, 03:49 PM
I gave it a B+. Only thing keeping it from being an A has nothing to do with Hopkins but more to do with the draft situation. It's a very deep WR draft, and I'm worried we won't be taking another one because we used our first on Hopkins (I'm a huge proponent of double dipping at WR this year)

I might have given an A to Sylvester Williams, or Matt Elam. If we pick up someone like Aaron Dobson or Cobi Hamilton with our 4th I'd consider this pick an A also.

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2013, 03:51 PM
I gave it a B+. Only thing keeping it from being an A has nothing to do with Hopkins but more to do with the draft situation. It's a very deep WR draft, and I'm worried we won't be taking another one because we used our first on Hopkins (I'm a huge proponent of double dipping at WR this year)

I might have given an A to Sylvester Williams, or Matt Elam. If we pick up someone like Aaron Dobson or Cobi Hamilton with our 4th I'd consider this pick an A also.

So... it's a B+ NOW. But if they do double-dip and take another WR later, then it could go to A?

Brandon420tx
04-26-2013, 03:56 PM
Yes, It's my opinion and my grade. I want 2 WR's in this very talented WR pool of a draft and I believe they won't take another one because they've used their first on one. I said it had nothing to do with the player but with the situation. I really like Hopkins, I also really like 4-5 other receivers. Is there a problem with that?

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2013, 03:58 PM
Yes, It's my opinion and my grade. I want 2 WR's in this very talented WR pool of a draft and I believe they won't take another one because they've used their first on one. I said it had nothing to do with the player but with the situation. I really like Hopkins, I also really like 4-5 other receivers. Is there a problem with that?

No problem. I just wanted to make sure I understood what you were saying.

I don't think I've ever seen a grade for a player contingent on drafting another player at the same position later in the draft.

Brandon420tx
04-26-2013, 04:05 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a grade for a player contingent on drafting another player at the same position later in the draft.

I'm weird like that. There were very few options left available that would have been an A for me there. I feel like I reserve A's for players we absolutely steal. Whitney Mercilus last year for example (the sack fumble king of college). The only reason I don't consider this pick an absolute steal is because of the giant talent pool behind Hopkins. It's probably because I view the draft with an economics mindset and its like there is an inflation at WR this year.

infantrycak
04-26-2013, 04:26 PM
Well, Bill Belichik would disagree and he has the record to prove it.

No he doesn't. Name the time Belichik had their top rated choice on the board at their top position of need and traded down - oops you can't do it because you have no idea if it ever happened.

The Texans traded back last year, didn't they?

Why yes they did because they thought they could trade back and STILL get the player they wanted - and they did. They did it with Duane Brown as well. That is an entirely different equation from throwing away any chance at your top rated prospect who you do not believe will be available if you trade back.

thunderkyss
04-26-2013, 04:30 PM
I hate it. Freak'n Andre Johnson is going to start thinking he runs the team.


Is he going to STAY an "A" grade? I dunno. Lots of people were high on Keyshawn Martin in camp, and in preseason, and he sort of clammed up in the reg season.

I gave it an "A."

It wasn't just Martin, it was the whole team.

One of the questions I asked last offseason, was if Kubiak knew how to handle success. I seriously doubted we would match our 2010 performance. It's one thing when no one has any expectations.

But when you're thought of as "the best team in the league" I bet they could have made diamonds at Reliant. He & the team were too wound up. & that's why we saw Andre dropping TDs, Arian tripping over his own two feet, Schaub trying to act like Aaron Rogers..... & LeStar, KeShawn, & Posey flash & fade.

He knew it was the problem, he mentioned as much in December. Just couldn't do anything about it.... & that's troubling.

That's the way I see it anyway.

Rey
04-26-2013, 04:36 PM
Why yes they did because they thought they could trade back and STILL get the player they wanted - and they did.

I don't know about getting THE player they wanted, but they got A player they wanted.


It's a gamble to trade back unless there are more than one players that you like because someone can always trade up in front of you.

For all we know the Texans could have had Jones rated higher than Merciless last year, but the Pats actually traded up above us last year and took him...But if they liked both of them then a trade back wouldn't have mattered as much to them.

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2013, 04:40 PM
I hate it. Freak'n Andre Johnson is going to start thinking he runs the team.



It wasn't just Martin, it was the whole team.

One of the questions I asked last offseason, was if Kubiak knew how to handle success. I seriously doubted we would match our 2010 performance. It's one thing when no one has any expectations.

But when you're thought of as "the best team in the league" I bet they could have made diamonds at Reliant. He & the team were too wound up. & that's why we saw Andre dropping TDs, Arian tripping over his own two feet, Schaub trying to act like Aaron Rogers..... & LeStar, KeShawn, & Posey flash & fade.

He knew it was the problem, he mentioned as much in December. Just couldn't do anything about it.... & that's troubling.

That's the way I see it anyway.

Wow.

I mean.

You make it sound like we finished 10-6 in 2011 and then the wheels came off in 2012.

So how did we handle success? We went 12-4 and won a game in the playoffs. That's pretty damned good. That's not as good as we would have liked but that doesn't mean it was some sort of monumental collapse under the pressure.

Kubiak has been involved with some pretty successful teams as an OC and as a QB. I don't think he has a problem handling success.

Now. Our team fell apart near the end of the season. Some guys that needed to step up didn't. Some guys who'd been playing well early in the season started to come apart at the end of the season.

You live and you learn from those experiences. We'll be a better team next year because of it.

At least, that's the way I see it.

ASidd_1990
04-26-2013, 05:00 PM
A++

My favorite for us. AJ, Jr.

Playoffs, I will devour you!!!!

:wild:

infantrycak
04-26-2013, 05:01 PM
I don't know about getting THE player they wanted, but they got A player they wanted.


It's a gamble to trade back unless there are more than one players that you like because someone can always trade up in front of you.

Clearly you should have multiple options in mind. In both these instances the Texans were reported to have gotten exactly who they wanted.

But that wasn't the point - it was they were targeting someone or several people rather than just trading for trades sake.

76Texan
04-26-2013, 05:02 PM
I don't know about getting THE player they wanted, but they got A player they wanted.


It's a gamble to trade back unless there are more than one players that you like because someone can always trade up in front of you.

For all we know the Texans could have had Jones rated higher than Merciless last year, but the Pats actually traded up above us last year and took him...But if they liked both of them then a trade back wouldn't have mattered as much to them.

If all the GMs think like ICAK, there would be no need for draft-day trade ever.

The reality is that it happens all the time.

ICAK, how do you explain what Belichik did yesterday when he pulled that trade?

thunderkyss
04-26-2013, 05:10 PM
But that wasn't the point - it was they were targeting someone or several people rather than just trading for trades sake.

I like the pick. I wanted a true first rounder & I'm happy knowing that no one (well very few) people expected this guy to still be on the board.

But.. no one trades for trades' sake. If we could have moved down to the top of the second, get one of the guys we wanted & get another third & 4th & 5th.... that would be well worth it, especially if we can use those picks to trade up & get another guy they wanted.

infantrycak
04-26-2013, 05:23 PM
If all the GMs think like ICAK, there would be no need for draft-day trade ever.

Total BS. I have in no way intimated never trade.

ICAK, how do you explain what Belichik did yesterday when he pulled that trade?

You really can't figure out an explanation? Oh, how about there was nobody on their board they were thrilled about so when they got the offer they took it whereas the Texans were happier with who was available to them than the picks and so reportedly turned down the same trade. Belichick didn't pull off anything. He is coach for a different team with different needs and circumstances.

By the way, nice way of avoiding the question above - name where Belichick has had exactly the player he wants and his greatest area of need and traded out of the position?

Rey
04-26-2013, 05:27 PM
I really like Hopkins and I'm not upset that we didn't trade down at all.

It really comes down to what you want and what you need and how far you're willing to trade down.

For discussions sake we'll call Hopkins a Bear.

You can take the Bear to fight with you...

You can trade down and grab a couple of wild dogs....


Just depends on what you need and how you see the players. I don't really thin we need a bunch of picks tbh. I think we need high quality players.

I think 76 just wants more mid round picks in this draft and I agree with that, but instead of trading down, I'd rather trade up.

76Texan
04-26-2013, 05:32 PM
Total BS. I have in no way intimated never trade.



You really can't figure out an explanation? Oh, how about there was nobody on their board they were thrilled about so when they got the offer they took it whereas the Texans were happier with who was available to them than the picks and so reportedly turned down the same trade. Belichick didn't pull off anything. He is coach for a different team with different needs and circumstances.

By the way, nice way of avoiding the question above - name where Belichick has had exactly the player he wants and his greatest area of need and traded out of the position?
The answer is obvious; nobody knows any team's board so there can never be an anwer unless you can get Belichik to really tell the truth.

For this year, the Patriots had a dire need to find an X receiver; I don't think anybody in the draft community think that such a guy currently exists on their roster.

They have got to rank the receivers in the draft just like any other position.
There's got to be one at the top of their list.
How can Belichik be sure that the guy he wants would last until the next pick?
He can't.

By your logic, he needs to make that selection instead of trading out of the first round.

infantrycak
04-26-2013, 05:32 PM
Just depends on what you need and how you see the players. I don't really thin we need a bunch of picks tbh. I think we need high quality players.

I think 76 just wants more mid round picks in this draft and I agree with that, but instead of trading down, I'd rather trade up.

Now that I totally agree with. I would be moving as many of the low round picks as possible to upgrade earlier picks or get another mid.

thunderkyss
04-26-2013, 05:34 PM
Just depends on what you need and how you see the players. I don't really thin we need a bunch of picks tbh. I think we need high quality players.



I agree. I can imagine the Texans putting their board together & going through their mock drafts & everytime saying, "Damn, if only Hopkins would be there." They may even tried to assemble a trade package that they were comfortable with to get him, but fought themselves to slow down.....

Then when he was there, probably a no brainer. They might have held out for a rich trade & the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th wasn't enough for them to drop out of the first... which is totally understandable.

Then when you consider they probably thought the Vikings were targeting their guy... no way.

bckey
04-26-2013, 05:42 PM
I really like this pick, and I don't think the Texans had to hesitate to pick him, however I do think the Vikings offered their 2nd, 3rd and 4th to the Texans to move into that spot for Patterson. The Texans let the clock run down to about 2 minutes left when the pick was made, so you know they were discussing the trade back, but they used the pick instead. That tells me a lot about how much they wanted Hopkins, and I think he's a great fit for our offense, and should contribute from day 1. Great start to the draft, I just hope there's a run on WRs, QBs and Centers in the 2nd so that some good defensive guys fall to us.

Belichek traded with them 2 picks later and got a 7th thrown in also.

TexansSeminole
04-26-2013, 05:49 PM
I agree. I can imagine the Texans putting their board together & going through their mock drafts & everytime saying, "Damn, if only Hopkins would be there." They may even tried to assemble a trade package that they were comfortable with to get him, but fought themselves to slow down.....

Then when he was there, probably a no brainer. They might have held out for a rich trade & the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th wasn't enough for them to drop out of the first... which is totally understandable.

Then when you consider they probably thought the Vikings were targeting their guy... no way.

With the way the draft was unfolding, I wouldn't think that they were more concerned with Hopkins going off the board than when the draft started. There were no signs that a run on WRs was imminent. As far as the Texans FO getting what they wanted, this draft seems to have fallen just about perfectly for them in the first round.

Now, the best thing for us is to have a run on QBs, RBs, WRs and maybe even CBs here in the 2nd round. There aren't alot of OLBs, ILBs, or RTs that I like with this 2nd rounder. Let's hope our guy at one of those positions, or at NT, is available.

bckey
04-26-2013, 05:58 PM
With the way the draft was unfolding, I wouldn't think that they were more concerned with Hopkins going off the board than when the draft started. There were no signs that a run on WRs was imminent. As far as the Texans FO getting what they wanted, this draft seems to have fallen just about perfectly for them in the first round.

Now, the best thing for us is to have a run on QBs, RBs, WRs and maybe even CBs here in the 2nd round. There aren't alot of OLBs, ILBs, or RTs that I like with this 2nd rounder. Let's hope our guy at one of those positions, or at NT, is available.

This is what I think about last nights draft and hope for tonight. The Texans need a NT, ILB and OT. DE, Safety and OLB are somewhat lesser needs that are an injury away from being a huge need.

TexansSeminole
04-26-2013, 06:03 PM
This is what I think about last nights draft and hope for tonight. The Texans need a NT, ILB and OT. DE, Safety and OLB are somewhat lesser needs that are an injury away from being a huge need.

When I look at it, we really are hurting at OLB pretty badly. The two guys we have are guys with a combined 3 years of experience, with literally nobody but Braman behind them. We've got to add several guys that can play at least a little bit this year. Whether that means two rookies or two FAs or a combination, we shall see.

DE is similar, in my opinion, just not as pressing. We need front 7 depth at every position basically.

76Texan
04-26-2013, 06:12 PM
I really like Hopkins and I'm not upset that we didn't trade down at all.

It really comes down to what you want and what you need and how far you're willing to trade down.

For discussions sake we'll call Hopkins a Bear.

You can take the Bear to fight with you...

You can trade down and grab a couple of wild dogs....


Just depends on what you need and how you see the players. I don't really thin we need a bunch of picks tbh. I think we need high quality players.

I think 76 just wants more mid round picks in this draft and I agree with that, but instead of trading down, I'd rather trade up.
And I did mention that the Texans can always use their extra 4th-7th round picks to move back up into the middle of the second round if they want to.

But the three picks in the second, third, and fourth round that the Pats got should bring more value to the Texans than Hopkins by himself; I feel pretty strongly about that.

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2013, 06:16 PM
And I did mention that the Texans can always use their extra 4th-7th round picks to move back up into the middle of the second round if they want to.

But the three picks in the second, third, and fourth round that the Pats got should bring more value to the Texans than Hopkins by himself; I feel pretty strongly about that.

I look at it like this.

If you have a particular guy you want and someone offers you to trade back, you've got to weigh what they're offering against how bad you want that guy and if you think he's going to be there when you get to pick. If you don't think he's going to be there and he's The Guy, then you don't trade back. You make your pick.

If you don't have The Guy but a bunch of guys you like or if you think you're the only one coveting your Guy so he'll still be there, go ahead and trade back.

I think the Texans looked Hopkins as The Guy and when he was there, they weren't going to risk losing him. I got no problem with that.

ObsiWan
04-26-2013, 06:55 PM
I look at it like this.

If you have a particular guy you want and someone offers you to trade back, you've got to weigh what they're offering against how bad you want that guy and if you think he's going to be there when you get to pick. If you don't think he's going to be there and he's The Guy, then you don't trade back. You make your pick.

If you don't have The Guy but a bunch of guys you like or if you think you're the only one coveting your Guy so he'll still be there, go ahead and trade back.

I think the Texans looked Hopkins as The Guy and when he was there, they weren't going to risk losing him. I got no problem with that.
^^^^
This.

And apparently "The Guy" for Belichick was gone and he figured with a fist-full of extra picks he might uncover a viable substitute. Hence, he pulled the trigger on the trade.

76Texan
05-15-2013, 11:34 AM
Grade A.
A starter in the late first round is just about what one should expect.
Why he dropped some balls is somewhat a mystery considering his big hands.
Hopkins actually played better (more explosive) than some of his test scores indicate.
It remains to be seen if that will hold true against NFL defenses.
That is probably part of his game that might hold him back from becoming a number one receiver, IMO.