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ArlingtonTexan
04-25-2013, 10:13 PM
Need pick

ATXtexanfan
04-25-2013, 10:13 PM
That just happened.

Yesterday
04-25-2013, 10:15 PM
I didn't really want a WR, but if we had to take one I like Hopkins. We don't need a guy with 4.3 speed (Schaub would just constantly underthrow him). Rather, we got a guy with good vertical and great hands, possession WR.

PapaL
04-25-2013, 10:15 PM
Twitter @Nukdabomb for DeAndre. Should be a helluva addition.

Yesterday
04-25-2013, 10:15 PM
From Kiper Jr's draft report which I bought:

Hopkins is a super-competitive kid who the coaches at Clemson have raved about since he got on campus. He is a talented natural athlete with phenomenal, big hands. In fact, I think his hands are better than his highly regarded teammate Sammy Watkins. Hopkins is an excellent intermediate receiver who is tough enough to get off the jam. He was incredibly productive in 2012 and was the go-to receiving option for QB Taj Boyd. Hopkins has added weight to his frame, weighing in at 180 lbs. as a freshman but playing this year around 215 lbs. He has very good body control and his competitive side makes him challenge for the football every time it’s in his vicinity. Hopkins played like a first round draft choice this season with the Tigers, so if you can acquire his services on round two, he would qualify as a very good bargain. *Combine Note: Ran a 4.57, did 15 reps, and had a 36” vertical jump.

badboy
04-25-2013, 10:16 PM
Hopkins put up a 4.41-second time in his second 40-yard run at the Tigers' recently opened indoor football facility. Hopkins' first-run time of 4.46 seconds was also faster than his NFL scouting combine time of 4.57 seconds. http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9028253/deandre-hopkins-clemson-tigers-runs-40-yard-dash-441-seconds

6'1" 33 1/4 arms, hands 10 " with 36 vert. 82 catches 1405 yds 17.1 avg with 18 TDs in 2012

ATXtexanfan
04-25-2013, 10:17 PM
Isn't this the guy who trashed his room at the combine. Nice first impression if so.

TheMatrix31
04-25-2013, 10:19 PM
Hopefully he matures personally and that he kicks ass on the field.

All you can say right now.

Heath Shuler
04-25-2013, 10:20 PM
1. DeANDRE HOPKINS | Clemson 6010|214 lbs|3JR Central, SC (D.W. Daniel HS) 6/6/1992 (age 20) #6
2012: (13/13) 82/1,405/18 PROJECTION: 1st-2nd Round
2011: (14/11) 72/978/5 MEASUREABLES: 6010 | 214 | 33 3-8” | 10” | 80”
2010: (12/8) 52/637/4 COMBINE: 4.57 40-YD DASH | 1.62 10-YD | 15 REPS | 36” V | 9-7 BJ | 4.50 SS
STRENGTHS: Catches the ball in stride with a very good sense of his surroundings…deceiving power, toughness and body strength…strong hands with above average body control and focus to highpoint and attack the ball…tracks the deep ball and shows a second gear to finish…short-area burst and stop/go route acceleration to create…good shoulder dip and feet to set up routes with excellent feel…competitive and dedicated… productive, leading team in receiving each of last three seasons.
WEAKNESSES: Lean torso with only average height and growth potential…won’t break a lot of tackles and has room to get stronger…will have his share of focus drops and lapses…will try to corral the catch at times instead of using his palms/fingers…lacks track speed and won’t be able to leave NFL defenders in his dust vertically or win with speed alone…only 20 years old and is still maturing…has showed consistent progression in college, but is still improving and is not yet a finished product.
SUMMARY: “Nuke” set several school records, including career touchdowns catches (27)…takes pride in his routes and changes gears well, using his vision, awareness and acceleration to create…competitive and physical attitude and wants the ball more than anyone else on the field…not the biggest or fastest, but plays controlled, quick and tough with reliable hands to locate and pluck…natural receiving traits and has been productive everywhere he’s been and the NFL won’t be any different.


from:
DANE BRUGLER’S
2013 NFL DRAFT GUIDE

LikeMike
04-25-2013, 10:20 PM
CBS Analysis:

Strengths: Nice job catching the ball in stride and immediately creating after the catch with a very good sense of his surroundings, always appearing to have a plan. Deceiving body strength and powers through arm tackles, playing with toughness.
Strong hands with above average body control and focus to highpoint and attack the ball in the air. Tracks the deep ball and shows a second gear to separate at the final moment and finish. Very good short-area burst in his cuts with some beautiful stop-and-go moves and route acceleration to create room.

Good shoulder dip and footwork to set up his routes with very good feel, taking pride in his patterns. Handled quarterback Tajh Boyd's fastballs the past three years and uses his extension to reel-in tough grabs - high, low or outside, he goes and gets it. Uses his body well to box-out defenders and is fearless over the middle.

Changes gears well and knows how to turn on the jets, using his vision and awareness to create. Competitive and physical attitude and wants the ball more than anyone else on the field, never conceding the top receiver distinction to Watkins. Dedicated himself to the weight room this past off-season and it shows on the field. Much improved maturity took even the coaches by surprise with his goal oriented approach and work ethic. Super productive the past three seasons, leaving with school with numerous school and conference records.

Weaknesses: Lean torso with average height and frame with limited growth potential. Won't break a lot of tackles and has room to get stronger. Will have his share of focus drops, running before securing the grab at times.

Will attempt to corral the catch at times instead of using his palms. Lacks track speed and won't be able to leave NFL cornerbacks in his dust on foot speed alone. Showed steady progression each year, but still improving his consistency and is not yet a finished product.

Compares to: Reggie Wayne, WR, Indianapolis Colts - Like Wayne, Hopkins isn't the biggest or fastest, but he's able to manipulate his routes to create separation and is a reliable pass catcher with the body control, focus and competitive nature to finish. And like Wayne (30th pick in the 2001 NFL Draft), Hopkins will likely fall out of the top-25 picks and prove to be an excellent value in the late first or early second round.

Playoffs
04-25-2013, 10:21 PM
Dane Bruglar's #1 WR...

1. DeANDRE HOPKINS | Clemson 6010 |214 lbs |3JR Central, SC (D.W. Daniel HS) 6/6/1992 (age 20) #6

2012: (13/13) 82/1,405/18 PROJECTION: 1st-2nd Round
2011: (14/11) 72/978/5 MEASUREABLES: 6010 | 214 | 33 3-8” | 10” | 80”
2010: (12/8) 52/637/4 COMBINE: 4.57 40-YD DASH | 1.62 10-YD | 15 REPS | 36” V | 9-7 BJ | 4.50 SS

STRENGTHS: Catches the ball in stride with a very good sense of his surroundings…deceiving power, toughness and body strength…strong hands with above average body control and focus to highpoint and attack the ball…tracks the deep ball and shows a second gear to finish…short-area burst and stop/go route acceleration to create…good shoulder dip and feet to set up routes with excellent feel…competitive and dedicated… productive, leading team in receiving each of last three seasons.

WEAKNESSES: Lean torso with only average height and growth potential…won’t break a lot of tackles and has room to get stronger…will have his share of focus drops and lapses…will try to corral the catch at times instead of using his palms/fingers…lacks track speed and won’t be able to leave NFL defenders in his dust vertically or win with speed alone…only 20 years old and is still maturing…has showed consistent progression in college, but is still improving and is not yet a finished product.

SUMMARY: “Nuke” set several school records, including career touchdowns catches (27)…takes pride in his routes and changes gears well, using his vision, awareness and acceleration to create…competitive and physical attitude and wants the ball more than anyone else on the field…not the biggest or fastest, but plays controlled, quick and tough with reliable hands to locate and pluck…natural receiving traits and has been productive everywhere he’s been and the NFL won’t be any different.

Maddict5
04-25-2013, 10:21 PM
Isn't this the guy who trashed his room at the combine. Nice first impression if so.

don't go read up on it and see that he had left the hotel hours before it was trashed. nice impression

mariowillshine15
04-25-2013, 10:21 PM
Love it

Yesterday
04-25-2013, 10:22 PM
Isn't this the guy who trashed his room at the combine. Nice first impression if so.

Some people just like to ruin the mood and excitement for the rest of us...learn your facts before you slander a man.

texanhead08
04-25-2013, 10:23 PM
I like the pick he is a playmaker and will keep the chains moving.

Thorn
04-25-2013, 10:23 PM
Well, you never know what you got until they play their first game anyway. But I do like what I've read about him. For now, I'm totally on board with this pick.

HTown2ATX
04-25-2013, 10:24 PM
Well, looks like the Texans are easing up on the picnic table good guys.

I like the pick personally. Honestly none of the WR's this year make my jaw drop but I'm excited to see this guy play.

ATXtexanfan
04-25-2013, 10:24 PM
don't go read up on it and see that he had left the hotel hours before it was trashed. nice impression

Was that a quote from his agent?

Heath Shuler
04-25-2013, 10:24 PM
from NFL.com


Overview

When Hopkins makes a play in front of his home crowd, you’ll hear the throng cheer “Nuuuk”. Though his childhood nickname came from a special brand of baby pacifier he required because he bit through most others, the confident receiver will tell you he’s added another reason for that moniker – he feels almost nuclear in his explosion on the field. And after a stand-out junior season, which capped an overall productive three-year career at Clemson, NFL scouts agree he’s got a chance to be a significant contributor on Sundays.


The nephew of the late Terry Smith, who caught 162 passes for Clemson from 1990-1993, was yet another top South Carolina recruit the Tigers kept in-state despite great interest from major programs across the country. Hopkins earned the team’s Rookie of the Year award in 2010, starting eight of 12 games played and leading the team with 52 catches (covering 637 yards and four touchdowns) – and he joined the Clemson basketball team as a reserve after the season, one year after leading his high school team to a state title. He played in every game, starting 11, as a sophomore in 2011, being somewhat overlooked despite nearly reaching 1,000 receiving yards (978 on 72 catches, also five touchdowns) because of the electric play of freshman Sammy Watkins. Hopkins suffered a mild concussion in a car accident on his way to go to the team’s disappointing 70-33 Orange Bowl loss to West Virginia, but he still managed a school bowl-record 10 catches for 107 yards and a touchdown. Hopkins was good over his first two seasons in Death Valley, but in 2012, he was great, finishing with a single-season school record 1,405 receiving yards. Hopkins also set a new ACC-mark with 18 receiving scores, adding a team-best 82 catches. Despite his quarterback deciding to return for his senior season, Hopkins decided to depart after his record-breaking junior season, leaving with a school record for 100-yard receiving games (12).
Analysis
Strengths
Presents good height and length for an outside receiver, also has some lower-body strength for explosion off the line of scrimmage and in his cuts. Solid route-runner used in the short, intermediate, and deep games, who has flexibility to avoid corners in zone and the quick feet to separate on hitches, comebacks, and other cuts. Does a nice job creating separation and deceiving defensive backs with head fakes and quick moves. Will threaten the top of defenses with NFL-quality straight-line speed. Possesses strong hands in traffic, not afraid of contact downfield and can separate at the last second with an arm extension. Agile enough to quickly avoid oncoming defenders after the catch yet remain balanced to head downfield for the big gain. Does not go down without a fight, can run through arm tackle attempts from cornerbacks. Snatches throws with his hands, even those within his frame. Concentrates on the ball throughout difficult catches and extends his long arms to make a big radius. Sells double-moves well with a head fake and body lean. Very good body control to contort his body on catches and pluck the ball out of the air, keep one foot in-bounds on the sideline. Effective run blocker, usually reaches his target and gets his hands up, uses correct blocking angle to sustain; also shows some nastiness at times, capable of putting his man to the ground. Consistently productive over his time at Clemson, improving his stats each season
Weaknesses
Only average size for a starting outside receiver and has room to add bulk to his frame. Occasionally loses track of the ball on easy catches when trying to make a move too early. Must prove his ability to use his hands to beat press coverage from NFL veterans off the line. Dances around defenders and run backwards after short catches at times, losing his balance or some yardage, instead of heading upfield. Will need to be more consistently physical in the blocking game at the next level.
NFL Comparison
Roddy White
Bottom Line
Sammy Watkins got a lot of headlines as a true freshman in 2011 because of his exceptional skills, but Clemson’s “other” receiver, Hopkins, produced consistently using his NFL body and hands. “Nuke” excited the Death Valley crowds with his big plays as a sophomore (978 yards, five touchdowns), but he took his game to the next level this past season, emerging as Clemson’s No. 1 weapon for Tajh Boyd. Hopkins re-wrote the Clemson receiving record books in 2012 with 18 receiving touchdowns and to put that in perspective the No. 2 player in the ACC in touchdown grabs was NC State’s Bryan Underwood with 10. Hopkins does a nice job setting up his routes to keep defenders off balance and attack the ball at its highest point – if the ball is thrown in Hopkins area, he goes and gets it. He has fluid body control and the focus to be a reliable starting WR option in the NFL. Should be in the conversation to be one of the first receivers drafted, probably in the late first round range.

Yesterday
04-25-2013, 10:27 PM
From the General's twitter:

Texans investigated Hopkins, and they're convinced he wasn't involved in trashing of his hotel room at combine.

ATXtexanfan
04-25-2013, 10:28 PM
Hope he balls but is he the second best wr on the board? Hope he's a difference maker and can elevate schaubs game.

JCTexan
04-25-2013, 10:29 PM
If the Texans were planning on taking a WR in round 1, it's hard not to think they got the one they wanted. Hopkins was the 2nd WR taken, only behind Austin.

Heath Shuler
04-25-2013, 10:29 PM
https://twitter.com/Nukdabomb

LikeMike
04-25-2013, 10:31 PM
Hope he balls but is he the second best wr on the board? Hope he's a difference maker and can elevate schaubs game.

I think several WRs were ranked pretty close.

Patterson has the most talent - but is also really raw and seems to not be the smartest guy. Boom or bust guy that wouldn't help right away.

Allen has some red flags and bad workouts.

Hunter is kinda similar to Hopkins but seems to be just behind talent wise.

In the end we get a pro ready WR with great work ethic - and in the past we went pretty well with high character guys...

TexansSeminole
04-25-2013, 10:32 PM
This was my guy from the start, so I am very happy with the selection. We have our #2 receiver.

steelbtexan
04-25-2013, 10:32 PM
Although I like (Crapper) Hopkins, I would've rather Rick/Gary taken a chance on greatness on a guy like Patterson/Hunter. Or go defense and take an impact defensive guy like Short and take one of the other WR's like Swope/Rodgers in the 2nd rd.

Gary decided to play it safe. (Not suprising) Gigem LOL

I guess AJ's words carry some weight in Gary's world.

ATXtexanfan
04-25-2013, 10:33 PM
Wow vikings swap four picks for one to get Patterson after we take Hopkins. Measuring stick?

The Pencil Neck
04-25-2013, 10:33 PM
Hope he balls but is he the second best wr on the board? Hope he's a difference maker and can elevate schaubs game.

It all depends on who's opinion you're looking at. Bruglar has him as the #1 WR overall, even better than Tavon Austin. Walterfootball and Mayock had him as the #3 behind Austin and Patterson.

But he fits what Kubiak wants and I think he'll be a good fit in this offense.

Yesterday
04-25-2013, 10:36 PM
worth a watch, deandre on sports science. has sick hands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1nHtKg5AQ0

Playoffs
04-25-2013, 10:36 PM
Out side of Keenan Allen, who has injury concerns, he's the most step in and contribute ready WRs in the draft.

GP
04-25-2013, 10:37 PM
THIS is the guy I wanted, even above Tavon Austin (whom I think compares more to Reggie Bush than as a real "WR").

Really happy to see us just settle in and take a guy who many consider to be one of the top WRs in this year's draft. We didn't grab a project defensive guy, we didn't go after a tier 2 TE, we just zeroed in on a solid playmaking WR.

Hopefully his ability to get separation and off the jam at the LOS will help Schaub who really needs to just get rid of the ball faster than he used to be inclined to do pre-Lisfranc injury. AJ and Hopkins, then Martin in the slot.

They say he compares to Reggie Wayne, but he looks more like Larry Fitzgerald to me when I watch him play. He has a quicker off-the-snap move than Wayne, IMO. And his breaks on the ball are really sharp and aggressive.

VERY happy with this pick.

badboy
04-25-2013, 10:38 PM
don't go read up on it and see that he had left the hotel hours before it was trashed. nice impressionWell, I read up on it and everything points to Hopkins.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9187853/deandre-hopkins-mark-harrison-occupied-trashed-hotel-rooms-combine-sources-say
A trashed hotel room at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis belonged to Clemson wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins and Rutgers wide receiver Mark Harrison, according to league sources.
NFL sources also told ESPN they believe Harrison is not responsible for what happened to the room.
Urine and feces were found around the bathroom, toothpaste was left on the mirror and partially eaten food was on one of the beds, sources told ESPN. Neither player made any attempt to clean up the mess, according to witnesses, and neither player has taken responsibility for the room. But, the NFL community is now well aware of which players occupied it.

One NFL coach expressed disappointment to hear that Hopkins, regarded as a potential second-round pick, may have been involved.

Also reported by http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/4/18/4240476/deandre-hopkins-mark-harrison-nfl-combine-trashed-hotel-room

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000161617/article/deandre-hopkins-mark-harrison-deny-trashing-hotel-room
http://www.cincyjungle.com/2013/4/18/4240516/trashed-hotel-room-at-combine-belonged-to-deandre-hopkins-and-mark
One would think that players would be on their best behavior while attending the biggest job interview of their football careers, but it appears that not everybody shared that sentiment. Initially, Jeff Foster, the president of the National Football Scouting organization who runs the combine, declined to identify the two responsible for the feces-fest, but now, ESPN mega-insider Adam Schefter has outed the duo as Clemson WR DeAndre Hopkins and Rutgers WR Mark Harrison.

If it is okay for you to say he had left it should be okay for others to post the opposite. I wasn't there so don't know but it is a story that should be at least considered by a team. Obviously, Texans not too concerned.

Playoffs
04-25-2013, 10:43 PM
From the General's twitter:

Texans investigated Hopkins, and they're convinced he wasn't involved in trashing of his hotel room at combine.

Wasn't McLame up there at the Combine ..... in the vicinity of that hotel room ..... during that time????

Just saying...........

GP
04-25-2013, 10:44 PM
Although I like (Crapper) Hopkins, I would've rather Rick/Gary taken a chance on greatness on a guy like Patterson/Hunter. Or go defense and take an impact defensive guy like Short and take one of the other WR's like Swope/Rodgers in the 2nd rd.

Gary decided to play it safe. (Not suprising) Gigem LOL

Disagree completely. Patterson looks like a bust waiting to happen, IMO. Mayock is not that sold on him, saying he lacks a lot of maturity. He also doesn't seem to have that great of a motor out there. Almost like a Randy Moss in Randy's latter years.

Justin Hunter, IMO, is a project pick with a high ceiling (I like him BETTER than Patterson) but look, we tried to draft a high ceiling guy like Hunter. His name was Jacoby Jones. Both guys began their football careers as skinny kids and Mayock is concerned Hunter will not add more to his frame. Sure, he's 6'4" but Mayock is concerned about his softness over the middle. Plus, he has a focus problem on some passes. Unsure hands.

I don't think outside of Tavon Austin we could have picked a better Round 1 WR than Hopkins. Watch his highlights and then watch Allen, Austin, Patterson and Hunter highlights. To me, there's a visible difference in the way those guys are playing compared to Hopkins. Eyes don't lie, Hopkins LOOKS better.

No homer here, either. It remains to be seen if Schaub will be able to utilize the guy (I thought he'd be able to gel with Keyshawn Martin, and that turned to mush--though I know it was more Martin than Schaub, but still...). All in all, I think we got the guy we wanted. Kubiak knows offense. Phillips knows defense. So I'm good with this pick and hope he grades out the way others have him projected right now.

Wasn't a reach, wasn't a project pick. And THAT is worth a lot. To me.

Corrosion
04-25-2013, 10:45 PM
Although I like (Crapper) Hopkins, I would've rather Rick taken a chance on greatness on a guy like Patterson/Hunter. Or go defense and take an impact defensive guy like Short and take one of the other WR's like Swope/Rodgers in the 2nd rd.

Rick decided to play it safe. (Not suprising) Gigem LOL




FIFY .... Its Rick's job to fill out the roster.

They needed a playmaker ... I probably would have taken Hopkins had he been available in the TT Mock , he went 1 pick ahead of my selection.

I wonder if they take a shot at another WR between now and the 4th.

GP
04-25-2013, 10:45 PM
Wasn't McLame up there at the Combine ..... in the vicinity of that hotel room ..... during that time????

Just saying...........

Well, WTF is a guy supposed to do if he smells powdered donuts under some couch cushions?

You don't just act like it's not there. You tear that muther ****in' room APART until you find those bad boys. This is a non-story. General's Rules.

ATXtexanfan
04-25-2013, 10:47 PM
To be honest if this guy is boldin esque then its the best thing for us cause he has to go get schaubs inaccurate throws. Which is crappy when you think about it. I just couldn't believe we had our pick of the WR class and we went this way. Posey and martin last year don't help the confidence in the FO decisions on WRs. Well one hole filled. Let's fill a few more

michaelm
04-25-2013, 10:47 PM
The WR situation should look good going into the playoff run, if Posey is able to make it back by mid season.

michaelm
04-25-2013, 10:50 PM
To be honest if this guy is boldin esque then its the best thing for us cause he has to go get schaubs inaccurate throws. Which is crappy when you think about it. I just couldn't believe we had our pick of the WR class and we went this way. Posey and martin last year don't help the confidence in the FO decisions on WRs. Well one hole filled. Let's fill a few more

I can understand if you prefer one of the other WRs that were on the board, but IMO, you might not know enough about Hopkins if you're disappointed with the pick.

ATXtexanfan
04-25-2013, 10:50 PM
Disagree completely. Patterson looks like a bust waiting to happen, IMO. Mayock is not that sold on him, saying he lacks a lot of maturity. He also doesn't seem to have that great of a motor out there. Almost like a Randy Moss in Randy's latter years.

Justin Hunter, IMO, is a project pick with a high ceiling (I like him BETTER than Patterson) but look, we tried to draft a high ceiling guy like Hunter. His name was Jacoby Jones. Both guys began their football careers as skinny kids and Mayock is concerned Hunter will not add more to his frame. Sure, he's 6'4" but Mayock is concerned about his softness over the middle. Plus, he has a focus problem on some passes. Unsure hands.

I don't think outside of Tavon Austin we could have picked a better Round 1 WR than Hopkins. Watch his highlights and then watch Allen, Austin, Patterson and Hunter highlights. To me, there's a visible difference in the way those guys are playing compared to Hopkins. Eyes don't lie, Hopkins LOOKS better.

No homer here, either. It remains to be seen if Schaub will be able to utilize the guy (I thought he'd be able to gel with Keyshawn Martin, and that turned to mush--though I know it was more Martin than Schaub, but still...). All in all, I think we got the guy we wanted. Kubiak knows offense. Phillips knows defense. So I'm good with this pick and hope he grades out the way others have him projected right now.

Wasn't a reach, wasn't a project pick. And THAT is worth a lot. To me.

Go on....... I'm listening

Goatcheese
04-25-2013, 10:53 PM
Reminds me of Miles Austin.

Maddict5
04-25-2013, 10:53 PM
If it is okay for you to say he had left it should be okay for others to post the opposite. I wasn't there so don't know but it is a story that should be at least considered by a team. Obviously, Texans not too concerned.

bingo

hes denied it.. don't you think the Texans would've investigated and the fact they took him means they believe him so no its a non issue for any logical fan

GP
04-25-2013, 10:55 PM
Go on....... I'm listening

Don't listen.

Go watch each guy's highlights and make sure you watch Hopkins' highlights last. I did, a few days ago, and I have to say that my eyes told me he was the best WR for us.

Listening? Just see for yourself by watching their highlights.

ATXtexanfan
04-25-2013, 10:55 PM
I can understand if you prefer one of the other WRs that were on the board, but IMO, you might not know enough about Hopkins if you're disappointed with the pick.

Your probably right. Just thought Hopkins if others cleared out first ya know. Man what I would give for some explosion at WR. We lack gamebreakers offensively.

htownfan32
04-25-2013, 10:56 PM
Your probably right. Just thought Hopkins if others cleared out first ya know. Man what I would give for some explosion at WR. We lack gamebreakers offensively.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCVWGxNjF_k

His bowl game was fantastic. Yeah, he doesn't have the speed to lose corners in the dust, but he does have fantastic routes and moves that give him separation.

Much like that Andre Johnson guy.

The Pencil Neck
04-25-2013, 11:01 PM
worth a watch, deandre on sports science. has sick hands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1nHtKg5AQ0

Wow.

Now I'm REALLY psyched.

Quick II Draw
04-25-2013, 11:01 PM
I'm very happy with the pick. Hopkins has amazing hands--figuratively and literally--which is what you need to be an elite WR in the NFL. I think Hopkins will be a beast at WR2, definitely has the ceiling to take over when AJ retires, and will prove to be the best WR from this draft.

TejasTom
04-25-2013, 11:01 PM
I think several WRs were ranked pretty close.

Patterson has the most talent - but is also really raw and seems to not be the smartest guy. Boom or bust guy that wouldn't help right away.
...

What I saw watching Patterson was he often trapped the ball instead of catching with his hands.

Uncle Rico
04-25-2013, 11:02 PM
I would have preferred Cordarelle Patterson.

Fili
04-25-2013, 11:02 PM
Now we got two Andres.

Ghostform
04-25-2013, 11:04 PM
I was really hoping Tyler Eifert was gonna reach us... but im happy with this pick.

SW H-TOWN
04-25-2013, 11:06 PM
This is a great pick. IMO he is the most pro ready WR in the draft. Runs good routes, knows how to get open...ect. He also was a terror his junior year playing against top talent. If you don't like the pick I suggest you watch him playing against LSU, they could not stop him. I recall that he gave Eric Reid, picked #18, fits. As for the trashed room at the combine, I would bet money that the room was trashed after he left. He left early and the Texans surely did their due diligence before making the draft pick.

Heath Shuler
04-25-2013, 11:08 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCci08OCQAElobE.jpg










https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dwB5J11rmdU

TexansSeminole
04-25-2013, 11:08 PM
Some video of Hopkins in 5 games of 2012: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTJjRlGOCjk

Also the LSU game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCVWGxNjF_k

He killed LSU in that game. It took about 1 quarter for them to figure out that they didn't have a player on their sideline that could cover Hopkins. And they paid for it.

Another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVWm9pNiXYY

Another showing him just catch one handers off a machine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwB5J11rmdU. Doesn't really mean much but it is kind of cool.

gg no re
04-25-2013, 11:09 PM
bingo

hes denied it.. don't you think the Texans would've investigated and the fact they took him means they believe him so no its a non issue for any logical fan

Eh, I wouldn't trust the Texans private investigation division after the whole Cushing fiasco.

vupac1
04-25-2013, 11:13 PM
I wonder if they take a shot at another WR between now and the 4th.

I'm still a Robert Woods fan

TexCanada
04-25-2013, 11:18 PM
Sorry if posted already.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/04/15/deandre-hopkins-nfl-draft-many-tragedies/2086501/

GP
04-25-2013, 11:19 PM
Your probably right. Just thought Hopkins if others cleared out first ya know. Man what I would give for some explosion at WR. We lack gamebreakers offensively.

You have to remember all the way back years ago, the Detroit Lions chose wide receiver Charles Rogers instead of wide receiver Andre Johnson. They had Charles Rogers with the more explosive dynamic features, and Andre Johnson with the smoother hands and more fluid route running.

Call me a little bit biased, but I think we got the best receiver in the year's draft

GP
04-25-2013, 11:22 PM
82 receptions

1405 yards

18 TDs

Just sayin...

Lucky
04-25-2013, 11:28 PM
You have to remember all the way back years ago, the Detroit Lions chose wide receiver Charles Rogers instead of wide receiver Andre Johnson. They had Charles Rogers with the more explosive dynamic features, and Andre Johnson with the smoother hands and more fluid route running.
You have it backwards. Rogers was considered the more polished receiver and Johnson the better athlete (though Rogers was considered an elite athlete himself). AJ has worked hard to develop his WR skills over the course of his career.

eriadoc
04-25-2013, 11:32 PM
10 Things to Know About Hopkins (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/04/10-things-to-know-about-deandre-hopkins/):

4. Versatility is appreciated by the Texans on both sides of the ball and Hopkins has it. His blocking ability is one piece that makes him a fit for the Texans.

:D

Lucky
04-25-2013, 11:32 PM
I wonder if they take a shot at another WR between now and the 4th.
They have way too many needs to go double dipping at WR tomorrow. There are probably some projects that would be avialable with their late 6th rounders. Or maybe just wait for UDFAs.

Jackie Chiles
04-25-2013, 11:35 PM
A lot of comparisons going around so I'll throw out another one. I think he matches up very well physically with Hakeem Nicks. Neither guy is a burner or taller than 6'1, both physical with huge hands and all around similar athleticism. Hopefully he can have the same kind of early impact as Nicks who was picked in the same area of the draft (29th pick in 2009). I think I would have preferred Hunter but I trust the front office and can't wait to see the players we get tomorrow. Lastly I have to believe they were positive he didn't have anything to do with that restroom business.

eriadoc
04-25-2013, 11:37 PM
For a slow guy, he sure does get deep.

Hopkins (6-1, 214) could be used to stretch the defense vertically in Gary Kubiak's offensive scheme. Last season, Hopkins made 20 catches of at least 25 yards including at least five of 58 yards or longer. Hopkins ranked second in FBS with a school-record 18 touchdowns and led the ACC in receiving yards with 1,405 receiving yards.

LINK (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22140001/nfl-draft-houston-texans-select-deandre-hopkins-with-no-27-pick)

(the slow comment was sarcasm)

Heath Shuler
04-25-2013, 11:38 PM
You have it backwards. Rogers was considered the more polished receiver and Johnson the better athlete (though Rogers was considered an elite athlete himself). AJ has worked hard to develop his WR skills over the course of his career.

Yep. From TC:


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/columnist?id=1519382
Thursday, March 6, 2003
Updated: March 7, 12:03 PM ET

Johnson's size, speed impresses scouts
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

If the name of the position was wide athlete and not wide receiver, University of Miami star Andre Johnson certainly would have solidified his status as a premier draft choice on Thursday, as Hurricanes players staged their on-campus workout for NFL scouts.

The chances are still excellent that Johnson will be among the initial 10 prospects selected on April 26 but, during the workout, his receiving skills were clearly secondary to his overall athletic prowess.


Johnson's size and speed should make him a top 10 pick during next month's draft.
"I wouldn't label him a 'body catcher,' because he does grab the ball out in front of him, but he doesn't look really that natural (as a receiver)," said one personnel director. "He doesn't have those real, soft hands, you know?" One college scouting director termed Johnson's showing in the receiving drills on Thursday "a little average."

There was nothing ordinary, however, about Johnson's performance in the athletic drills. While he dropped the first pass thrown to him in the position-specific work, there were no bobbles in the drills that preceded it.

Johnson was timed at between 4.42-4.48, according to three scouts, in his first 40-yard dash. On the second, he ran between 4.37-4.40, scouts said. He also recorded a 41-inch vertical jump, a long jump of 10-feet, 9-inches, and a time of about 4.10 seconds in the short shuttle drill.

Notable was that Johnson, universally assessed as one of the top two wide receivers in this year's draft pool, was measured at 6-feet-1 7/8 and at 224 pounds. That is one-eighth of an inch shorter, and six pounds lighter, than he was at the recent NFL combine workouts.

The other highly-regarded wide receiver this year, Michigan State standout Charles Rogers, is scheduled to work out for scouts on March 18.

The explosive Johnson had 52 receptions for 1,092 yards and nine scores in 2002. Over the last two seasons, he averaged 19.9 yards per catch and also scored 19 touchdowns.

Not surprisingly, the Miami workout was attended by representatives from virtually every team in the league. The Hurricanes had five players chosen in the first round in 2002. That will be difficult to match this year, but the school figures to have at least three first-round selections.

rmartin65
04-25-2013, 11:39 PM
Its creepy that GP and I agree on WRs two years in a row (Posey last year).

I am stoked about this pick, almost as much as I was with the Watt pick. Hopkins is a great receiver, we are pretty lucky.

DocBar
04-25-2013, 11:41 PM
Although I like (Crapper) Hopkins, I would've rather Rick/Gary taken a chance on greatness on a guy like Patterson/Hunter. Or go defense and take an impact defensive guy like Short and take one of the other WR's like Swope/Rodgers in the 2nd rd.

Gary decided to play it safe. (Not suprising) Gigem LOL

I guess AJ's words carry some weight in Gary's world.

I'm going on record that Smith will trade up in the 3rd to get Swopes if he's still on the board. I think that young man will be a star in the NFL.

SAMURAITEXAN
04-25-2013, 11:43 PM
Hope Hopkins was right pick for us. What this year's first round pick can tell us some what of how Rick and scouting staff were successful in evaluating WR. Only one WR (Austin) was drafted prior to our pick and the rest of talented WRs were still available, we can see how this pick turns out in a few years from now.

htownfan32
04-25-2013, 11:44 PM
Its creepy that GP and I agree on WRs two years in a row (Posey last year).

I am stoked about this pick, almost as much as I was with the Watt pick. Hopkins is a great receiver, we are pretty lucky.

Hopkins, Dre, and eventually Posey mid-season? Sounds like a nice passing attack to me.

Now grab another TE and some O-line and we'll be championship bound :)

Revamped running game (with a real FB), revamped passing attack...
And hopefully some nice defensive depth.

We have one 2nd rounder and two third rounders.

I expect O-line, ILB depth, and Safety.

GP
04-25-2013, 11:48 PM
You have it backwards. Rogers was considered the more polished receiver and Johnson the better athlete (though Rogers was considered an elite athlete himself). AJ has worked hard to develop his WR skills over the course of his career.

No, I don't have it backwards.

But thanks anyways.

eriadoc
04-25-2013, 11:48 PM
Hope Hopkins was right pick for us. What this year's first round pick can tell us some what of how Rick and scouting staff were successful in evaluating WR. Only one WR (Austin) was drafted prior to our pick and the rest of talented WRs were still available, we can see how this pick turns out in a few years from now.

I feel better about this pick than any first rounder since .... hell, maybe AJ.

Lucky
04-25-2013, 11:50 PM
No, I don't have it backwards.

But thanks anyways.
You're welcome.

GP
04-25-2013, 11:51 PM
Its creepy that GP and I agree on WRs two years in a row (Posey last year).

I am stoked about this pick, almost as much as I was with the Watt pick. Hopkins is a great receiver, we are pretty lucky.

I wasn't happy with the Posey pick. I can't remember if you were or not.

For the record, I didn't like the Posey pick on draft day...warmed to it only after having a lot of posters here show me reasons why it was a decent pick...and then I ended up watching Posey play in some reg season action (and thought, "Gee, this guy is better than Keyshawn Martin.").

So, I can't really say that I have a good track record judging draft day WRs for us. LOL.

GP
04-25-2013, 11:52 PM
You're welcome.

:hmmm:

SAMURAITEXAN
04-25-2013, 11:53 PM
I feel better about this pick than any first rounder since .... hell, maybe AJ.

I sure hope your feeling is right. Not that I didn't liked the pick. I liked the pick. But I also liked for us drafting D side as well especially front 7.

GP
04-25-2013, 11:54 PM
Detroit chose Rogers for really one reason: Michigan State product.

It was an emotional pick. The Kipers of the Draft World weren't all that high on Rogers (pun intended).

Lions should have picked AJ, and they blew it.

Rogers was not a phenom. He was thin, questionable hands, and yeah...maybe FASTER than AJ, but I don't recall anybody cursing the Texans for passing on Rogers. It was more like "Whew! They chose ROGERS?!?!"

A true gift.

Vinny
04-25-2013, 11:57 PM
No, I don't have it backwards.

But thanks anyways.
you do have it backwards. Rodgers was considered the more polished product and Andre with massive upside, but raw.

Playoffs
04-26-2013, 12:02 AM
A pox on whoever soiled this thread with Ch****s R****s name.

Rey
04-26-2013, 12:03 AM
Hopkins probably the most ready to contribute right away and still has potential for growth.

GP
04-26-2013, 12:07 AM
you do have it backwards. Rodgers was considered the more polished product and Andre with massive upside, but raw.

Well, there we have it. Lucky and Vinny say so.

Case closed.

ASidd_1990
04-26-2013, 12:11 AM
A pox on whoever soiled this thread with Ch****s R****s name.

I see you boy!!!!!!!

ASidd_1990
04-26-2013, 12:12 AM
Very stoked about this pick. My sources were correct this whole time!

GP
04-26-2013, 12:13 AM
Some video of Hopkins in 5 games of 2012: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTJjRlGOCjk

Also the LSU game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCVWGxNjF_k

He killed LSU in that game. It took about 1 quarter for them to figure out that they didn't have a player on their sideline that could cover Hopkins. And they paid for it.

Another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVWm9pNiXYY

Another showing him just catch one handers off a machine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwB5J11rmdU. Doesn't really mean much but it is kind of cool.

He bursts off the LOS at the snap. That's what stands out to me, he times the snap very well. I think he beats that LOS jam by a CB pretty well.

I like how he fights for the ball, too. He might draw some P.I. calls, though, because he's doing some grabbing and shoving a lot...but to his credit, his CB is doing the same thing and so he's just fighting for the ball there.

Good clips, btw. Thanks for posting.

CretorFrigg
04-26-2013, 12:14 AM
I like this pick. I didn't know much about him, but I looked up his stats and watched his highlight reel on YouTube. There's promise.

rmartin65
04-26-2013, 12:17 AM
I wasn't happy with the Posey pick. I can't remember if you were or not.

For the record, I didn't like the Posey pick on draft day...warmed to it only after having a lot of posters here show me reasons why it was a decent pick...and then I ended up watching Posey play in some reg season action (and thought, "Gee, this guy is better than Keyshawn Martin.").

So, I can't really say that I have a good track record judging draft day WRs for us. LOL.

I was with you, and had a similar change in opinion. I was never "on the bandwagon", but had started to warm up to him before the injury. That said, I still had my doubts.

We are right with Nuke though. This kid is the real deal. I am predicting around 1,000 yards and 7 TDs this year. Book it.

Corrosion
04-26-2013, 12:20 AM
They have way too many needs to go double dipping at WR tomorrow. There are probably some projects that would be avialable with their late 6th rounders. Or maybe just wait for UDFAs.

You are probably right , When I took Dobson in the 3rd I regretted the decision for the rest of the draft because I never could nail down a good fit at OT and that pick is where I should have done it.






We have one 2nd rounder and two third rounders.

I expect O-line, ILB depth, and Safety.

I think they have to take a defensive lineman with one of those , you look at the lack of (quality) depth the fact that they lost a couple players there to FA (or chose not to resign them). They are woefully thin at DE/NT.

They are also really thin at OLB with Barwin moving on - Reed , Mercilus and Braman. Thats all they have currently on the roster at the position.

I think its DL , OLB and OL with those next three choices (no specific order) - quite a few ILB prospects who will be available in the 4th and beyond while the Ed Reed signing pushes safety down the priority list.

Playoffs
04-26-2013, 12:21 AM
(on his initial reaction when the Texans called him) “You know it was like a moment, it was, I was honored to be called to be a part of the Houston Texans. It was a great moment.”

(on if he had an idea that Houston is where he would end up) “Kind of. I’ve been hearing the buzz, that Andre Johnson needed another wide receiver on the other side of him. When he said that, I was like, ‘I’m that guy. I can help this team win a championship.’ They have great management and I feel like that was the right move.”

(on playing with Andre Johnson) “Oh man, it’s going to be an honor. It’s going to be great learning from a veteran.”

(on being the second receiver drafted from the Texans) “What does it mean to me? I’ve got big shoes to fill and I’m going to go out there and give them my all for us to win a championship.”

(on his expectations coming into season) “I really don’t have expectations, personally. I want to win a championship. That’s my expectation, to come in and help us win a championship.”

(on if he feels he has a chance to earn a starting spot) “Yeah, without a doubt I feel like I do.”

(on if he prides himself on being able to show up at big moments in the game) “Yeah it is. I’m a level-headed player. I don’t really get too emotional to any game because I feel like that would take me out of it. So big moments, my teammates trust me, they come to me, and it’s what I do being a football player.”

(on why he was so consistent at Clemson) “Practice and heart; practicing like it’s the game, making everything look the same. Going out and practicing and practicing hard.”

(on the story of his nickname ‘Nuke’) “Yes, when I was young my mother said that’s the only brand of pacifier I would suck on, so I guess it was kind of clever for her to call me Nuke.”

(on his physical style of play) “That’s natural to me, I feel like. I played defense in high school. When the ball is in the air I feel like it’s mine. No matter who it is or the situation, I feel like I have to come down with the ball or at least knock it away. I’m always trying to get a hand on the ball, and I have a pretty good vertical. I’m able to get the ball at the high point.”

(on if the Texans asked for his side of the hotel room story from the Combine) “No, they didn’t because they knew I didn’t have anything to do with it so I didn’t hear a call from too many teams about it because it was cleared two months ago.”

(on his basketball skills helping his football career) “It has a little bit of credit but it’s a big difference when you’re out there and you’re getting hit and you have to work to catch the ball. But it’s kind of similar when the ball’s up in the air for a rebound. You always have to be on your toes to go up to the ball; same situation as football as a wide receiver. I’m always trying to get the ball at the highest point like a rebound.”

(on who he feels his game compares most to) “I don’t really feel like I compare to anybody. I feel like I’m a unique player. I feel like I’m my own. I feel like I have some different things to bring.”

(on his thoughts on Andre Johnson) “He’s a great wide receiver. He’s a physical guy. He goes out there. I feel like we have the same mentality. When the ball is in the air, it’s ours. He plays with a great mentality, a competitive side that everybody should play with. He’s a guy that I’ve looked up to since he’s been in the NFL.”

(on what he knows about the Houston Texans) “I know they have a good team, all around, a pretty solid team—a championship-contending team. That’s all I really know. Every year they’re getting better, they’re improving. So, I’m happy to walk into a situation where they’re getting better.”

(on what he knows about the city of Houston outside of football) “I do not know anything about the city of Houston, but it’s going to be great flying in and getting to see everything for the first time.”

(on who he’s watching the draft with) “Family and friends, just the local people.”http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-DeAndre-Hopkins-conference-call/ffd35899-b921-4c25-8638-8063013498e1

Corrosion
04-26-2013, 12:21 AM
I wasn't happy with the Posey pick. I can't remember if you were or not.

For the record, I didn't like the Posey pick on draft day...warmed to it only after having a lot of posters here show me reasons why it was a decent pick...and then I ended up watching Posey play in some reg season action (and thought, "Gee, this guy is better than Keyshawn Martin.").

So, I can't really say that I have a good track record judging draft day WRs for us. LOL.

:corrosion:

Wolf6151
04-26-2013, 12:22 AM
I love this pick. Hopkins has a very high floor and high ceiling. He's got all the physical attributes and experience. Excellent pick.

Corrosion
04-26-2013, 12:26 AM
Posted this in the other thread - I'll put it here too.


Hopkins on Sports Science (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1nHtKg5AQ0)

PockyAF
04-26-2013, 12:29 AM
Well, there we have it. Lucky and Vinny say so.

Case closed.

Make that three.

How's that old saying go? Most dumbasses don't know that they're dumbasses.




JKING

GP
04-26-2013, 12:32 AM
Make that three.

How's that old saying go? Most dumbasses don't know that they're dumbasses.




JKING

LOL.

GP
04-26-2013, 12:35 AM
:corrosion:

Meh. What can I say? He practically had no senior season, was serving a suspension over petty stuff (but still got sidelined regardless), it's not like we had a lot of tape on him in his final year of football at Ohio State.

I want rounds 1, 2 and 3 to be solid decision making. My gripe was that it appeared to be, perhaps, a wild shot in the dark. A reach.

PockyAF
04-26-2013, 12:36 AM
He bursts off the LOS at the snap. That's what stands out to me, he times the snap very well. I think he beats that LOS jam by a CB pretty well.

I like how he fights for the ball, too. He might draw some P.I. calls, though, because he's doing some grabbing and shoving a lot...but to his credit, his CB is doing the same thing and so he's just fighting for the ball there.

Good clips, btw. Thanks for posting.

Yea. The LSU game got me excited. Pure dominance and got them in range to win the game.

Btw, most of the grabbing and shoving came after the DBs were grabbing and holding him. Hence why the PIs were called in his favor. Herp

ItsMyFault
04-26-2013, 12:39 AM
Awesome pick. I was hoping they'd get one of the three receivers on my list, Hopkins being one of them. Hope we fill the rest of our needs now tomorrow and Saturday.

Corrosion
04-26-2013, 12:44 AM
Meh. What can I say? He practically had no senior season, was serving a suspension over petty stuff (but still got sidelined regardless), it's not like we had a lot of tape on him in his final year of football at Ohio State.

I want rounds 1, 2 and 3 to be solid decision making. My gripe was that it appeared to be, perhaps, a wild shot in the dark. A reach.

You dont have to explain .... I was just giving you a hard time. I think I was the only one on the Posey bandwagon before the draft .... Sure has to be a heartbreaker for him to get injured after coming on strong to end the season.

TexansSeminole
04-26-2013, 12:52 AM
He bursts off the LOS at the snap. That's what stands out to me, he times the snap very well. I think he beats that LOS jam by a CB pretty well.

I like how he fights for the ball, too. He might draw some P.I. calls, though, because he's doing some grabbing and shoving a lot...but to his credit, his CB is doing the same thing and so he's just fighting for the ball there.

Good clips, btw. Thanks for posting.

No problem.

He played well against Xavier Rhodes, and Rhodes is a good press cover corner. He is a strong receiver and has pretty long arms.

What I like is how he attacks the ball in the air. He fights hard for it every time it is thrown his way, like you said. There is one play in those clips where he is catching the ball with one arm and holding off a defender with the other. You've got to have some pretty strong hands to catch a ball in that type of situation.

He shows good change of direction to make catches off quick reactions and he is good running after the catch too. He is kind of deceiving when he runs after the catch, because it isn't so much that he is fast but that he makes good cuts, especially that initial cut after the catch, and he is strong.

He was dependable at Clemson. Dependability is exactly what we need out of a receiver right now considering our lack of depth.

DocBar
04-26-2013, 12:53 AM
Meh. What can I say? He practically had no senior season, was serving a suspension over petty stuff (but still got sidelined regardless), it's not like we had a lot of tape on him in his final year of football at Ohio State.

I want rounds 1, 2 and 3 to be solid decision making. My gripe was that it appeared to be, perhaps, a wild shot in the dark. A reach.Why are you reacting like Posey was some kind of dangerous weapon for the Texans and you completely blew it? Neither Posey or Martin were anything near spectacular as rookies. Posey blowing out his Achilles is about as bad as it gets. I don't see him on the roster after 2014 or 15. Bad luck, but it is what it is.

SW H-TOWN
04-26-2013, 01:07 AM
I like this pick. I didn't know much about him, but I looked up his stats and watched his highlight reel on YouTube. There's promise.

Look up DeAndre Hopkins vs LSU on youtube.

Brisco_County
04-26-2013, 01:20 AM
The first benefit if picking Hopkins is that he is bust proof. I keep reading that Hunter and Patterson have the most upside, but they have risks. Hopkins has almost no negatives. Then you look at his wingspan, hands, physicality, and big play ability, it's apparent that he has just as much upside as any receiver in this draft. Excellent pick.

htownfan32
04-26-2013, 01:31 AM
The first benefit if picking Hopkins is that he is bust proof. I keep reading that Hunter and Patterson have the most upside, but they have risks. Hopkins has almost no negatives. Then you look at his wingspan, hands, physicality, and big play ability, it's apparent that he has just as much upside as any receiver in this draft. Excellent pick.

I can't remember where I read this, but I recall reading that Patterson is literally too dumb to run routes.

rmartin65
04-26-2013, 01:59 AM
The first benefit if picking Hopkins is that he is bust proof. I keep reading that Hunter and Patterson have the most upside, but they have risks. Hopkins has almost no negatives. Then you look at his wingspan, hands, physicality, and big play ability, it's apparent that he has just as much upside as any receiver in this draft. Excellent pick.

The only real negatives are that he is not a burner, and he is not very explosive. However, he does a good job using his body to box out though , and has excellent body control. He does have weaknesses, but he knows how to work with them.

fiasco west
04-26-2013, 03:28 AM
The first benefit if picking Hopkins is that he is bust proof. I keep reading that Hunter and Patterson have the most upside, but they have risks. Hopkins has almost no negatives. Then you look at his wingspan, hands, physicality, and big play ability, it's apparent that he has just as much upside as any receiver in this draft. Excellent pick.

This is the biggest thing for me.

We can't really waste time on getting a guy that will pan out in two years here...because Andre could be hanging it up 2 years from now. We needed a guy who can produce now and contribute now. Not another project pick.

LikeMike
04-26-2013, 05:53 AM
The only real negatives are that he is not a burner, and he is not very explosive. However, he does a good job using his body to box out though , and has excellent body control. He does have weaknesses, but he knows how to work with them.

Actually I´ve read several times, that one of his greatest strength is his explosiveness off the snap. He is not a burner like say DeSean Jackson, but people are acting like he is slow and a pure posession receiver. 4.41 is not slow - and if you look at the tape, he actually plays pretty fast. He is probably compareable in speed to most elite receivers in the game.

DeAndre Hopkins is the full package - who knows, if he`ll ever be elite, but he should be able to step in and contribute right away. And he definetly has a superstar ceiling (though he probably ends up as just a very good #2 or an average #1).

rmartin65
04-26-2013, 06:47 AM
Actually I´ve read several times, that one of his greatest strength is his explosiveness off the snap. He is not a burner like say DeSean Jackson, but people are acting like he is slow and a pure posession receiver. 4.41 is not slow - and if you look at the tape, he actually plays pretty fast. He is probably compareable in speed to most elite receivers in the game.

DeAndre Hopkins is the full package - who knows, if he`ll ever be elite, but he should be able to step in and contribute right away. And he definetly has a superstar ceiling (though he probably ends up as just a very good #2 or an average #1).

I don't see raw explosion. I realize that the scouting reports say there is, but I just dont see it. He gets off the line with average acceleration/burst, but is able to succeed because he is strong, sets up his fakes well, and uses his hands well.

As for his 40-time: that is track, not football. He has adequate speed- I am not saying he is a plodder. But like his "burst", I think it is merely average. But, again, his other abilities help him to minimize the negative affects.

steelbtexan
04-26-2013, 07:24 AM
Disagree completely. Patterson looks like a bust waiting to happen, IMO. Mayock is not that sold on him, saying he lacks a lot of maturity. He also doesn't seem to have that great of a motor out there. Almost like a Randy Moss in Randy's latter years.

Justin Hunter, IMO, is a project pick with a high ceiling (I like him BETTER than Patterson) but look, we tried to draft a high ceiling guy like Hunter. His name was Jacoby Jones. Both guys began their football careers as skinny kids and Mayock is concerned Hunter will not add more to his frame. Sure, he's 6'4" but Mayock is concerned about his softness over the middle. Plus, he has a focus problem on some passes. Unsure hands.

I don't think outside of Tavon Austin we could have picked a better Round 1 WR than Hopkins. Watch his highlights and then watch Allen, Austin, Patterson and Hunter highlights. To me, there's a visible difference in the way those guys are playing compared to Hopkins. Eyes don't lie, Hopkins LOOKS better.

No homer here, either. It remains to be seen if Schaub will be able to utilize the guy (I thought he'd be able to gel with Keyshawn Martin, and that turned to mush--though I know it was more Martin than Schaub, but still...). All in all, I think we got the guy we wanted. Kubiak knows offense. Phillips knows defense. So I'm good with this pick and hope he grades out the way others have him projected right now.

Wasn't a reach, wasn't a project pick. And THAT is worth a lot. To me.

Hopkins wasn't even the best WR on his team at Clemson. You sure put alot of stock in What Mayock thinks.

Patterson = Moss in Moss later yrs=LOL, Patterson plays nothing like Moss if you've ever seen Patterson play. Is he dumb as a box of rocks? Yes, but guess what AJ isn't exactly mensa material. If Gary would've been in charge when AJ was picked, AJ probably wouldn't be a Texan today.

JJ wouldn't make a pimple on Hunters butt. I read somewhere that Hunter was one of only 3 WR's to run a 4.4 or better at 6'4 and have over a 40 in vert. (Pro day) JJ never had anything close to that. He will be better in his 2nd yr coming off his ACL. Hunter is far from a project.

With that said I like Hopkins, he will be a solid #2. (Pun intended) But I would've picked a definsive guy like Hunt/Short/Minter in the 1st and maximized the value of the pick by taking Rodgers/Swope in the 2nd rd. But when BoB/AJ speak things happen.

Schaub is damaged goods, I dont want to derail the thread.

steelbtexan
04-26-2013, 07:30 AM
I can't remember where I read this, but I recall reading that Patterson is literally too dumb to run routes.


What is Kirksey's job? To teach?

On 2nd thought I'm glad they picked Hopkins, because teaching doesn't appear to a strength of Kirksey's.

TexansSeminole
04-26-2013, 07:31 AM
Hopkins wasn't even the best WR on his team at Clemson.

That's not exactly fair when the other receiver is Sammy Watkins, the #1 receiver for next year's draft. He would probably be the #1 receiver in this draft as well. He is Tavon Austin on steroids.

panamamyers
04-26-2013, 07:34 AM
Swope has gone from slightly underrated to the most overrated player on this forum.

steelbtexan
04-26-2013, 07:35 AM
This is the biggest thing for me.

We can't really waste time on getting a guy that will pan out in two years here...because Andre could be hanging it up 2 years from now. We needed a guy who can produce now and contribute now. Not another project pick.

Swope/Hunter/Rodgers are far from project picks and could've been had in the 2nd rd.

Your line of thinking is understandable if you think the Texans are going to have a chance of winning a SB next yr. (I dont) Is Hopkins really better than Posey or has more potential than Posey?

b0ng
04-26-2013, 07:40 AM
Thought I posted last night, but I got the impression that Patterson must have bombed A LOT of team interviews at the combine because the measureables and (albeit only one year of) tape are both there.

I think Hopkins is a good receiver and was a player I did a lot of reading on because I figured Patterson, Austin, and Allen would all be gone and Hopkins would be the "best of the rest". Everybody who goes to TC this summer is going to look squarely at his performance, I can garuntee, and I'm pretty excited to see if he can step in and contribute right away.

IDEXAN
04-26-2013, 07:50 AM
What we have to be aware of here is that the Texans had the pick of every WR that came out of college this year with the exception of Austin, who was not a consideration anyway since he went #8 overall and is really more of a slot-guy anyway and not a traditional WR.
I was impressed with the more glamorous Patterson and also USCs Robert Woods, either of whom the Texans could have had instead of Hopkins if that's what they wanted, but they didn't and clearly got their top choice.

Say Watt
04-26-2013, 08:37 AM
Posted this in the other thread - I'll put it here too.


Hopkins on Sports Science (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1nHtKg5AQ0)

Ok that was awesome. But I have to ask after all of that hype, they go off and compare him to Brandon Lloyd?!?

Anyway, I am pumped about this pick. This guy looks legit. Watching him in the LSU game. Just wow...

GP
04-26-2013, 08:44 AM
Ok that was awesome. But I have to ask after all of that hype, they go off and compare him to Brandon Lloyd?!?

Anyway, I am pumped about this pick. This guy looks legit. Watching him in the LSU game. Just wow...

At one point, LSU's DBs just wave the white flag and start tackling him and pulling his jersey during his routes. LOL, almost every catch attempt he's got guys draped all over him.

The TD catch at the beginning of that clip was special. He'll need those skills to dig up Schaub's subterranean passes that everyone has to lay out for.

ATXtexanfan
04-26-2013, 08:47 AM
Ok I stand corrected on this pick. Kid looks like the real deal and an early contributor. Good job Texans

ArlingtonTexan
04-26-2013, 08:49 AM
That's not exactly fair when the other receiver is Sammy Watkins, the #1 receiver for next year's draft. He would probably be the #1 receiver in this draft as well. He is Tavon Austin on steroids.

Hopkins was actually far more productive Watkins in 2012.

Rey
04-26-2013, 08:53 AM
Ok that was awesome. But I have to ask after all of that hype, they go off and compare him to Brandon Lloyd?!?

Anyway, I am pumped about this pick. This guy looks legit. Watching him in the LSU game. Just wow...

They're comparing him to Brandon Lloyd in terms of measured ability.

76Texan
04-26-2013, 08:54 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCci08OCQAElobE.jpg










https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dwB5J11rmdU
I've been rewatching some Clemson games.
In the fourth game of the season, against the Seminoles, the announcer stated that the Tigers receivers practiced catching the ball with one hand, so that's a plus there.

Hopkins showed football saavy on a play where he was tackled after a short catch. The CB spun him around and Hopkins landed on the Defender's stomach. He immediately worked to break free, using his hands to push off the ground, not allowing his body or his knees to touch the ground. He then continued to run downfield; too bad, the side line judge ruled that he was in the grasp (which I don't think was the case.)

That was a smart and heady play by Hopkins.

I'd like to see him engage in his blocking better though.
We'll see how much he improved on that as the year went along; I still have plenty of tapes to review.

HOU-TEX
04-26-2013, 08:59 AM
Can't say I'm super stoked, but I'm ok with it. I reckon I might be too defensive minded to really get excited about offensive picks. Especially knowing how stubborn Kubiak is with his offense. Hopefully Hopkins shows no flaws throughout camp, because if he does, he won't see the field until it's fixed.

Welcome to H-town, DeAndre!

Rey
04-26-2013, 09:01 AM
Hopefully Hopkins shows no flaws throughout camp, because if he does, he won't see the field until it's fixed.


Who would they put out there over him? LeStar? KMArt?

Hopkins is the starter from day 1. Book it.

76Texan
04-26-2013, 09:07 AM
Who would they put out there over him? LeStar? KMArt?

Hopkins is the starter from day 1. Book it.

Unless they sign a veteran receiver.

ChampionTexan
04-26-2013, 09:12 AM
Who would they put out there over him? LeStar? KMArt?

Hopkins is the starter from day 1. Book it.

Yep, I believe that Mercilus is the only Texans first round pick not to start opening day (unless the Brown/Salaam platoon caused Ephraim to technically be the starter). Mercilus was a pick at a future need, but not a current need, so that clearly differentiates him from Hopkins.

I think it's going to take more than a few foul ups to keep DeAndre out of the starting lineup - it would take something of a monumental nature.

Rey
04-26-2013, 09:16 AM
Unless they sign a veteran receiver.

I don't see anyone out there that they'd bring in and start over Hopkins.

Maybe if they trade for someone...

Texaninlild
04-26-2013, 09:20 AM
Well, I read up on it and everything points to Hopkins.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9187853/deandre-hopkins-mark-harrison-occupied-trashed-hotel-rooms-combine-sources-say
A trashed hotel room at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis belonged to Clemson wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins and Rutgers wide receiver Mark Harrison, according to league sources.
NFL sources also told ESPN they believe Harrison is not responsible for what happened to the room.
Urine and feces were found around the bathroom, toothpaste was left on the mirror and partially eaten food was on one of the beds, sources told ESPN. Neither player made any attempt to clean up the mess, according to witnesses, and neither player has taken responsibility for the room. But, the NFL community is now well aware of which players occupied it.

One NFL coach expressed disappointment to hear that Hopkins, regarded as a potential second-round pick, may have been involved.

Also reported by http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/4/18/4240476/deandre-hopkins-mark-harrison-nfl-combine-trashed-hotel-room

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000161617/article/deandre-hopkins-mark-harrison-deny-trashing-hotel-room
http://www.cincyjungle.com/2013/4/18/4240516/trashed-hotel-room-at-combine-belonged-to-deandre-hopkins-and-mark
One would think that players would be on their best behavior while attending the biggest job interview of their football careers, but it appears that not everybody shared that sentiment. Initially, Jeff Foster, the president of the National Football Scouting organization who runs the combine, declined to identify the two responsible for the feces-fest, but now, ESPN mega-insider Adam Schefter has outed the duo as Clemson WR DeAndre Hopkins and Rutgers WR Mark Harrison.

If it is okay for you to say he had left it should be okay for others to post the opposite. I wasn't there so don't know but it is a story that should be at least considered by a team. Obviously, Texans not too concerned.


I believe the Texans were most impressed by his organic artistry while finger painting in the hotel. Good hands are hard to find...clean ones are more at a premium. -PoohCaso :cheese:


If you get the young man's autograph be certain to wash your hands most hastily after receiving.

Marcus
04-26-2013, 09:21 AM
Who would they put out there over him? LeStar? KMArt?

Hopkins is the starter from day 1. Book it.

Until the day comes where players don't get banged up anymore, I don't book anything.

AMartin56
04-26-2013, 09:22 AM
I don't see anyone out there that they'd bring in and start over Hopkins.

Maybe if they trade for someone...

I don't see the harm in letting him learn on the job. It's not like anyone not named Andre was getting the ball last year anyways.

76Texan
04-26-2013, 09:25 AM
Brandon Lloyd and Ramsey Barden are possibilities if they sign for cheap?!?

infantrycak
04-26-2013, 10:32 AM
Brandon Lloyd and Ramsey Barden are possibilities if they sign for cheap?!?

Lloyd maybe but what possible benefit is Barden? He has played so little he almost qualifies as a rookie.

Texanmike02
04-26-2013, 10:38 AM
Devone Bess is available isn't he? That would be the guy if you want a vet. Mid round pick is what they were looking for.

Mike

HTown2ATX
04-26-2013, 10:38 AM
http://nfl.si.com/2013/04/25/deandre-hopkins-selected-no-27-by-houston-texans/

thunderkyss
04-26-2013, 11:11 AM
He is not a burner like say DeSean Jackson, but people are acting like he is slow and a pure posession receiver. 4.41 is not slow - and if you look at the tape, he actually plays pretty fast. He is probably compareable in speed to most elite receivers in the game.


Well, if it wasn't at the combine, the 4.41 doesn't count. Didn't he run a 4.57 at the combine? That's his number. 4.5

But I do agree that he plays fast.

He doesn't look slow to me, so it's very possible that there's less drop of between his "shorts" time & his "pads" time than most guys..

infantrycak
04-26-2013, 11:28 AM
Well, if it wasn't at the combine, the 4.41 doesn't count.

That is a position every NFL team disagrees with you on.

There is a reason tons of combine attendees also perform at pro days and the scouts attend.

Say Watt
04-26-2013, 11:34 AM
Well, if it wasn't at the combine, the 4.41 doesn't count. Didn't he run a 4.57 at the combine? That's his number. 4.5

But I do agree that he plays fast.

He doesn't look slow to me, so it's very possible that there's less drop of between his "shorts" time & his "pads" time than most guys..

So you think a guy's combine time is the only measurement that can be used to judge a player? Sure, it might deserve the most weight, but seriously?!?

:wadepalm:

eriadoc
04-26-2013, 11:37 AM
82 catches for a 17.1 yard per reception average. That's a lot of receptions to still manage such a high average. And 18 TDs. Imagine if he were fast. :thinking:

beerlover
04-26-2013, 11:42 AM
tough, competitive boundary WR who can quickly transition to NFL (Posey on PUP) & fits right in Texan scheme. Solid pick, can't believe he was still on the board, Texans let the draft come to them.

BL :wesmantexanfan:

drs23
04-26-2013, 12:15 PM
Wow.

Now I'm REALLY psyched.

Roger that! 10 feet away and a nano-second to react. I've wanted this guy for a quite a while and appreciate the choice even more now.

ThaJokaa
04-26-2013, 12:21 PM
Roger that! 10 feet away and a nano-second to react. I've wanted this guy for a quite a while and appreciate the choice even more now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13cTixvMEos&feature=player_embedded

DeAndre is so similar to Andre, its insane!

michaelm
04-26-2013, 12:27 PM
Hopkins reminds me of Cris Carter. Not a bad thing at all.

80tothezone
04-26-2013, 12:43 PM
Although I like (Crapper) Hopkins, I would've rather Rick/Gary taken a chance on greatness on a guy like Patterson/Hunter. Or go defense and take an impact defensive guy like Short and take one of the other WR's like Swope/Rodgers in the 2nd rd.

Gary decided to play it safe. (Not suprising) Gigem LOL

I guess AJ's words carry some weight in Gary's world.

we need depth pretty much everywhere else except NT. In the first round I think you draft your starter. I like the pick, we have needed a #2 WR for years and I think we finally got it.

TexCanada
04-26-2013, 12:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13cTixvMEos&feature=player_embedded

DeAndre is so similar to Andre, its insane!

I love how in most of those highlights, after he makes the catch he pops back up, tosses the ball to the ref and heads back to the line of scrimmage. He looks intense, but isn't showboating. Like you mention, rather similar to a decent receiver already on our team.

I'm excited about the pick.

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2013, 12:54 PM
we need depth pretty much everywhere else except NT. In the first round I think you draft your starter. I like the pick, we have needed a #2 WR for years and I think we finally got it.

I totally agree with the unbolded part.

I don't know that I agree with the bolded part at all.

NT: It all depends on how Wade feels about Mitchell. If he thinks Earl's ready for the starter spot, then we just need someone we can rotate in with him. So we need depth at that spot although someone to push Mitchell for the starting spot would be great.

ILB/OLB: This is where it gets tricky. At ILB, we've got Cushing and we've got depth but we don't have the other ILB. Unless we're sure Brooks Reed is going to slide over and take that starter ILB spot.

If Brooks Reed ISN'T sliding over, then we need a starter for that second ILB spot. And we need someone for our OLB rotation with Reed and Mercilus.

If Brooks Reed IS sliding over, then we need a starter for the OLB spot AND we need a second OLB for the rotation.

So those are the places where I think we definitely need more than depth. Right tackle is possibly an issue; depending on Newton's recovery, we may need a starter there.

Everywhere else, it's all about if we can upgrade or prepare for the future.

Corrosion
04-26-2013, 12:58 PM
we need depth pretty much everywhere else except NT. In the first round I think you draft your starter. I like the pick, we have needed a #2 WR for years and I think we finally got it.

The only NT they have on the roster is .... Earl Mitchell.

DE - Watt , Ninja and Crick are the only healthy DE's on the roster.

Only three (3) OLB's on the roster.- Reed , Mercilus and Braman.


CB and Safety are also positions of concern depth wise.


I had heard that they planned to move Crick inside to NT/DT when they let Cody walk .... but that makes the DE depth that much thinner and Im not sold that Crick can handle playing inside.

They had 22 FA's hit the market and it has affected their depth up and down the roster.

texanchris
04-26-2013, 01:17 PM
I know this will probably change now that Hopkins in the NFL and i don't want this to change anyones perception of him but i thought i'de pass this along. I go to a college in South Carolina and its pretty well known that both him and Sammy Watkins both smoke a lot. Not only that but a couple of my buddies say that their friends at Clemson happen to get weed from Hopkins. Like i said, hopefully he puts this behind him now that he's in NFL because he has all the physical attributes to be a great receiver.

Malloy
04-26-2013, 01:19 PM
At one point, LSU's DBs just wave the white flag and start tackling him and pulling his jersey during his routes. LOL, almost every catch attempt he's got guys draped all over him.

The TD catch at the beginning of that clip was special. He'll need those skills to dig up Schaub's subterranean passes that everyone has to lay out for.

I was thinking the same thing, he did good catching those low passes :)

htownfan32
04-26-2013, 01:24 PM
I know this will probably change now that Hopkins in the NFL and i don't want this to change anyones perception of him but i thought i'de pass this along. I go to a college in South Carolina and its pretty well known that both him and Sammy Watkins both smoke a lot. Not only that but a couple of my buddies say that their friends at Clemson happen to get weed from Hopkins. Like i said, hopefully he puts this behind him now that he's in NFL because he has all the physics attributes to be a great receiver.

I'm pretty sure a lot of these college players smoke pot. As long as he doesn't take it to Tyrann Mathieu levels (and I'm sure Andre's influence will make him cut back) he'll be fine.

HOU-TEX
04-26-2013, 01:33 PM
Looks like he'll be wearing #10

Houston Texans ‏@HoustonTexans 19m
WR DeAndre Hopkins will wear number 10 for the #Texans. Jerseys on sale now at http://Shop.HoustonTexans.com . @Nukdabomb

Rey
04-26-2013, 01:35 PM
I don't know why but I love the number 10 on a WR...

Who else wore number ten?

Dutchrudder
04-26-2013, 01:38 PM
I don't know why but I love the number 10 on a WR...

Who else wore number ten?

Desean Jackson is number 10...

:thisbig:

BullNation4Life
04-26-2013, 01:55 PM
I don't know why but I love the number 10 on a WR...

Who else wore number ten?

Didn't Plexico wear #10 in the 'Burg?

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2013, 01:57 PM
Didn't Plexico wear #10 in the 'Burg?

No. He was #80.

EDIT: Santonio Holmes was #10.

Rey
04-26-2013, 02:03 PM
Santonio....

I think that's who I was thinking of...

Vinny
04-26-2013, 02:18 PM
I don't know why but I love the number 10 on a WR...

Who else wore number ten?didn't Vince Young wear it when he was here?

Doppelganger
04-26-2013, 02:22 PM
didn't Vince Young wear it when he was here?

Not sure. There was some guy named Young who wore 10. All the Texans saw of him was the back of his jersey.

:wadepalm:

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2013, 02:23 PM
didn't Vince Young wear it when he was here?

Uh, yep.

Thanks for bringing that up. Not.

SW H-TOWN
04-26-2013, 02:24 PM
At one point, LSU's DBs just wave the white flag and start tackling him and pulling his jersey during his routes. LOL, almost every catch attempt he's got guys draped all over him.

The TD catch at the beginning of that clip was special. He'll need those skills to dig up Schaub's subterranean passes that everyone has to lay out for.

Eric Reid, picked #18, pretty much just resorted to hitting him before he caught the ball. He just abused those guys when he played LSU.

Texan_Bill
04-26-2013, 02:27 PM
Hopkins reminds me of Cris Carter. Not a bad thing at all.

The older more mature Cris Carter w/ Minnesota or the younger Cris with the Eagles?

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2013, 02:35 PM
The older more mature Cris Carter w/ Minnesota or the younger Cris with the Eagles?

As long as he catches touchdowns...

thunderkyss
04-26-2013, 02:45 PM
I had heard that they planned to move Crick inside to NT/DT when they let Cody walk .... but that makes the DE depth that much thinner and Im not sold that Crick can handle playing inside.


I haven't heard that, but I do remember seeing Crick take a few snaps at NT, so I assume it may be part of their plan. However, I doubt their plans are written in stone at this point.

As far as roster spots go, I think that's the main reason for our subpar ST play of late. Too many big guys. OL & DL. We need to trim down at those spots, stock up on receivers, TEs, DBs, & LBs.

Watt, Mitchell, Smith, Jamison, & Crick should be enough bodies. If there's an upgrade over any of them, I'm fine with that, but we don't need to carry six DLmen for our 3-4.

Big Lou
04-26-2013, 02:58 PM
I didn't have time to follow the draft year, but after watching highlights and Nuk's skills I love this pick.

We now have a "Nuk-lear Option"!!!

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/1/19/Mushroom-Cloud.jpg

disaacks3
04-26-2013, 02:58 PM
82 catches for a 17.1 yard per reception average. That's a lot of receptions to still manage such a high average. And 18 TDs. Imagine if he were fast. :thinking: No kidding. Lots of hating going on for this pick and I just don't get it.

For the "2nd best receiver on his team" comment:
RECEIVING G-S Rec Yards Y/Rec Rec/G Y/G TD 20+ LG
6 DeAndre Hopkins, WR 13-13 82 1405 17.1 6.3 108.1 18 24 62
2 Sammy Watkins, WR 10-7 57 708 12.4 5.7 70.8 3 10 61

Andre's last collegiate seasson for comparison. (Granted Andre had better competition that year)

2002* Miami (FL) Big East JR WR 52 1092 21.0 9

Allstar
04-26-2013, 03:37 PM
in a Houston airport:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIzdyUQCEAI0T-a.jpg:small

Texanmike02
04-26-2013, 04:06 PM
Was listening to a guy on local shreveport radio today and he said that Hopkins is the best offensive player the Texans have drafted since Arian Foster. I laughed a little and moved on.

Mike

eriadoc
04-26-2013, 05:27 PM
Was listening to a guy on local shreveport radio today and he said that Hopkins is the best offensive player the Texans have drafted since Arian Foster. I laughed a little and moved on.

Mike

So he's the best offensive player the Texans have drafted since never. High praise, indeed. :D

TexansSeminole
04-26-2013, 05:27 PM
Hopkins was actually far more productive Watkins in 2012.

Watkins got injured early in the 2012 season.

He had a stellar true freshman season in 2011. He looks poised for a dominant 2013 season and a #1 ranking fr his position, I would say.

Playoffs
04-28-2013, 02:27 PM
Interesting:


Set state high school record for career interceptions, rated #14 cornerback in the nation by Scout.com
Went to Clemson as a CB and moved to WR due to team need
Played basketball for Clemson after the 2010-11 football season ended; was a member of Clemson’s NCAA Tournament team, but did not travel to the tourney
Became the second player in ACC history to total at least 50 receptions as both a freshman and sophomore
ACC-record 18 touchdowns in 2012, second in the nation
Had game-highs 13 receptions for 191 yards, and two touchdowns against #7 Louisiana State in the Chick-fil-A Bowl on Dec. 31
Turns 21 on June 6

CretorFrigg
04-28-2013, 02:35 PM
Interesting:


Set state high school record for career interceptions, rated #14 cornerback in the nation by Scout.com
Went to Clemson as a CB and moved to WR due to team need
Played basketball for Clemson after the 2010-11 football season ended; was a member of Clemson’s NCAA Tournament team, but did not travel to the tourney
Became the second player in ACC history to total at least 50 receptions as both a freshman and sophomore
ACC-record 18 touchdowns in 2012, second in the nation
Had game-highs 13 receptions for 191 yards, and two touchdowns against #7 Louisiana State in the Chick-fil-A Bowl on Dec. 31
Turns 21 on June 6


Looks like someone's going to show up to practice hungover on June 7...

ArlingtonTexan
04-28-2013, 02:44 PM
Watkins got injured early in the 2012 season.

He had a stellar true freshman season in 2011. He looks poised for a dominant 2013 season and a #1 ranking fr his position, I would say.

Actually, missed two game due to suspension at the being of the year and only one due to injury. he blantly regressed on the field and was no way a better football player than Hopkins in 2012.


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/teams/ccl/stats

Lucky
04-28-2013, 02:44 PM
Not sure. There was some guy named Young who wore 10. All the Texans saw of him was the back of his jersey.

You don't see much of it anymore.

I know this will probably change now that Hopkins in the NFL and i don't want this to change anyones perception of him but i thought i'de pass this along. I go to a college in South Carolina and its pretty well known that both him and Sammy Watkins both smoke a lot. Not only that but a couple of my buddies say that their friends at Clemson happen to get weed from Hopkins. Like i said, hopefully he puts this behind him now that he's in NFL because he has all the physical attributes to be a great receiver.
Are we to believe 4th hand rumors over the extensive background checks an NFL team does on potential 1st round picks? I'm sure you trust your "information", but consider why others would not.

76Texan
04-28-2013, 02:55 PM
The Tigers used Watkins in multiple fashion (similar to how Patterson and Austin were used).

Hopkins, Hunter, and Bailey were strictly receivers on their respective team.

All six did well in their particular role.

Watkins, Patterson, and Austin were used in multiple fashion because they all are dynamic players who can make things happen with the ball in their hand.

Hopkins and Bailey are best route runners while Hunter is more explosive just like the tests at the combine showed.

Bailey is the smartest but Hopkins has the size and speed advantage over him.

Rey
04-28-2013, 06:56 PM
Watt, Mitchell, Smith, Jamison, & Crick should be enough bodies. If there's an upgrade over any of them, I'm fine with that, but we don't need to carry six DLmen for our 3-4.

I think the minimum we carry is six.

If the guy from bowling green doesn't make the roster I'll be shocked. Not only do I think he has a great chance to make it, but I also think he can push for playing time this coming season.

But for d linemen you'd ideally want a back up for each spot since it's a position where guys can tire out fast. You want a lot of fresh bodies there. Plus guys tend to get injured down there.

O line guys cab go the whole game generally so you don't need a back up for every spot. Maybe 8 o line guys.

thunderkyss
04-29-2013, 10:51 AM
So, what are our expectations of Mr Hopkins?

400 yards? 50 catches? 10 TDs?

The Pencil Neck
04-29-2013, 11:25 AM
So, what are our expectations of Mr Hopkins?

400 yards? 50 catches? 10 TDs?

In his first year, I'm hoping for 35-40 catches, 500-600 yards, and 5 TDs.

I'm not going to be surprised if he gets more, though.

I see him as Kevin Walter on Steroids. He's extremely sure handed. It's all going to come down to trust.

If he learns the offense and Schaub starts to trust that he's going to be where he's supposed to be AND that he's going to catch the ball, he could have an EPIC year because teams are still going to be rolling coverage toward Andre and daring the rookie to beat them.

Playoffs
04-29-2013, 11:30 AM
Questions are can/will Schaub look to his right more for DeAndre? Will Gary call his number? Are the Texans regrouping their run game adding to the FB position and an in line blocking TE?

I don't know about numbers, but the kid will fight at the point of attack and seems to put a lot of work in on his hands.

HOU-TEX
04-29-2013, 11:49 AM
Questions are can/will Schaub look to his right more for DeAndre? Will Gary call his number? Are the Texans regrouping their run game adding to the FB position and an in line blocking TE?

I don't know about numbers, but the kid will fight at the point of attack and seems to put a lot of work in on his hands.

This is what bothered me most towards the end of the season. I don't have a clue why, but Schaub seemed to be forcing the ball to AJ way too often. It's like he didn't trust anyone but AJ. Hopkins is supposedly know for his ability to fight for the ball when it's thrown his way. I sure hope Schaub can spread the ball around like he used to do

76Texan
04-29-2013, 11:51 AM
Depends on the make-up of the team; whether they sign a vet and how Posey's rehab goes.

The Pencil Neck
04-29-2013, 11:52 AM
This is what bothered me most towards the end of the season. I don't have a clue why, but Schaub seemed to be forcing the ball to AJ way too often. It's like he didn't trust anyone but AJ. Hopkins is supposedly know for his ability to fight for the ball when it's thrown his way. I sure hope Schaub can spread the ball around like he used to do

And I think that's what it's all about. I said this somewhere else, but it's about trust.

By the end of the season, I don't think Schaub trusted Martin because of how many times he'd put the ball in the boy's hands and had him drop it. I don't think he trusted KW because he wasn't getting separation and wasn't catching everything thrown to him like he had been a few years ago.

I'm hoping Hopkins learns his role and his routes and I hope he doesn't drop any balls because Schaub needs for him to get to his spot and catch the ball so that trust can start to build up.

HOU-TEX
04-29-2013, 11:58 AM
And I think that's what it's all about. I said this somewhere else, but it's about trust.

By the end of the season, I don't think Schaub trusted Martin because of how many times he'd put the ball in the boy's hands and had him drop it. I don't think he trusted KW because he wasn't getting separation and wasn't catching everything thrown to him like he had been a few years ago.

I'm hoping Hopkins learns his role and his routes and I hope he doesn't drop any balls because Schaub needs for him to get to his spot and catch the ball so that trust can start to build up.

Agreed! The dude's supposed to have great hands from what I've read. Hopefully he's able to get a grasp of the playbook quickly in order to produce right away. And, like you said, earn Schaub's trust.

infantrycak
04-29-2013, 12:26 PM
This is what bothered me most towards the end of the season. I don't have a clue why, but Schaub seemed to be forcing the ball to AJ way too often. It's like he didn't trust anyone but AJ. Hopkins is supposedly know for his ability to fight for the ball when it's thrown his way. I sure hope Schaub can spread the ball around like he used to do

I think there may be a perception problem here:

Percentage of attempts AJ targeted:

2008 30.7%
2009 28.7%
2010 29.6%
2012 30.1%

I left off 2007 and 2011 because AJ missed substantial time.

That is a flat line the entire time AJ and Schaub have worked together.

I agree with TPN that trust is key to Hopkins' season but I wouldn't look for a lot of targets being pulled from AJ.

Not as a prediction but I looked at AJ's rookie numbers and it is incredible he got 976 yards with Carr at QB and a passing attack with a whopping 2600 yds.

76Texan
04-29-2013, 12:34 PM
I think there may be a perception problem here:

Percentage of attempts AJ targeted:

2008 30.7%
2009 28.7%
2010 29.6%
2012 30.1%

I left off 2007 and 2011 because AJ missed substantial time.

That is a flat line the entire time AJ and Schaub have worked together.

I see it the same way, kinda.

When I took into account the players available at different skill positions (WR, TE, FB, RB) and their experience in the system, I saw a very normal distribution (target-wise).

HOU-TEX
04-29-2013, 01:45 PM
I think there may be a perception problem here:

Percentage of attempts AJ targeted:

2008 30.7%
2009 28.7%
2010 29.6%
2012 30.1%

I left off 2007 and 2011 because AJ missed substantial time.

That is a flat line the entire time AJ and Schaub have worked together.

I agree with TPN that trust is key to Hopkins' season but I wouldn't look for a lot of targets being pulled from AJ.

Not as a prediction but I looked at AJ's rookie numbers and it is incredible he got 976 yards with Carr at QB and a passing attack with a whopping 2600 yds.

Hmm, weird. I guess it just seemed like he forced it a lot more towards the end of the season. You'd think with all the coverage that gets rolled to wherever AJ lines up there'd be an open man somewhere. Hence the reason we drafted a WR in the 1st.

Don't mind me, I'm just babbling. Asking and answering my questions

justtxyank
04-29-2013, 02:03 PM
I think there may be a perception problem here:

Percentage of attempts AJ targeted:

2008 30.7%
2009 28.7%
2010 29.6%
2012 30.1%

I left off 2007 and 2011 because AJ missed substantial time.

That is a flat line the entire time AJ and Schaub have worked together.

I agree with TPN that trust is key to Hopkins' season but I wouldn't look for a lot of targets being pulled from AJ.

Not as a prediction but I looked at AJ's rookie numbers and it is incredible he got 976 yards with Carr at QB and a passing attack with a whopping 2600 yds.

Confused by your numbers. Not sure where they are from?

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/04/numbers-show-texans-overdependence-on-andre-johnson/

Statistically, it’s easy to show why the Texans need this. ESPN’s AFC South blogger Paul Kuharsky collected these numbers from ESPN Stats and Info:

The Texans were one of four NFL teams that targeted one receiver more than all the rest combined, along with the Lions, Chiefs and Bears.
Johnson was targeted on 58.1 percent of the Texans’ pass attempts to receivers, the highest rate in the league.
Quarterback Matt Schaub’s completion percentage was 70.9 to Johnson with 31.6 attempts per interception. Meanwhile, his completion percentage to every other receiver on his roster was 56.5 with 21.6 attempts per interception.

TexCanada
04-29-2013, 02:09 PM
Confused by your numbers. Not sure where they are from?

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/04/numbers-show-texans-overdependence-on-andre-johnson/

I think one set of numbers is based on all passing attempts, while one is attempts to just receivers.

infantrycak
04-29-2013, 02:11 PM
Confused by your numbers. Not sure where they are from?

Different stat. That is % targets to WR's. In terms of the issue of fixating on AJ I think that is irrelevant. This discussion is about is Schaub looking at all his receiving options. Our system since OD has been here has always targeted OD and the TE's highly. Now Hopkins may shift the WR numbers some away from the TE's and RB's but I bet AJ still gets his 30%.

Stats are from ESPN.

By the way is it surprising AJ, CJ and Brandon Marshall get targeted a lot?

thunderkyss
04-29-2013, 05:20 PM
Hmm, weird. I guess it just seemed like he forced it a lot more towards the end of the season. You'd think with all the coverage that gets rolled to wherever AJ lines up there'd be an open man somewhere. Hence the reason we drafted a WR in the 1st.

Don't mind me, I'm just babbling. Asking and answering my questions

Remember the first 7 or 8 games, people forgot about Dre... we weren't getting him the ball for one reason or another. Then he turned it on. There was a definite "Forced it to Dre" feel to the last 4 or 5 games.

But, we were asking for those guys to step up....... Dre included & I think that would entail some forcing. It's all semantics.

But, it's been correctly stated here, overall Schaub is pretty good about spreading the ball around. Go back & read a couple of TCs blogs. This year was an abnormally bad year for the Texans catch rate. There was some definite trust issues that came to bear at the wrong time.

Hopefully another full season with Graham playing significant minutes, the absence of "Drops a sure fire TD in the endzone that could have changed the game" Casey..... schaub will spread it around & open this thang up.

thunderkyss
04-29-2013, 05:26 PM
Confused by your numbers. Not sure where they are from?


The Texans were one of four NFL teams that targeted one receiver more than all the rest combined, along with the Lions, Chiefs and Bears.
Johnson was targeted on 58.1 percent of the Texans’ pass attempts to receivers, the highest rate in the league.
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/04/numbers-show-texans-overdependence-on-andre-johnson/

That's one of the things you'll fail to grasp, if you're using the eyeball test. Basically it says that Schaub checks down to RBs & TEs less than most QBs in the league, particularly, Stafford, Cutler, & whoever suited up for KC.

The Pencil Neck
04-29-2013, 05:53 PM
Different stat. That is % targets to WR's. In terms of the issue of fixating on AJ I think that is irrelevant. This discussion is about is Schaub looking at all his receiving options. Our system since OD has been here has always targeted OD and the TE's highly. Now Hopkins may shift the WR numbers some away from the TE's and RB's but I bet AJ still gets his 30%.

Stats are from ESPN.

By the way is it surprising AJ, CJ and Brandon Marshall get targeted a lot?

KW had 41 receptions last year. If Hopkins quickly picks up the playbook and learns his routes and doesn't put the ball on the field (unlike Martin and Posey), I expect him to get KWs numbers from last year. At least. If he really progresses, he could also pick up some of Casey's targets.

But I expect him to quickly grow into the numbers KW had at his peak, if not progress past them.

And if Hopkins can start putting up some big numbers, I expect AJ to start putting up some bigger numbers as teams try to get sneaky in trying to cover both of them.

Playoffs
04-29-2013, 05:59 PM
Who has more receiving TDs in 2013 ...... Andre or DeAndre??? :thinking:

76Texan
04-29-2013, 06:11 PM
Remember the first 7 or 8 games, people forgot about Dre... we weren't getting him the ball for one reason or another. Then he turned it on. There was a definite "Forced it to Dre" feel to the last 4 or 5 games.

But, we were asking for those guys to step up....... Dre included & I think that would entail some forcing. It's all semantics.

But, it's been correctly stated here, overall Schaub is pretty good about spreading the ball around. Go back & read a couple of TCs blogs. This year was an abnormally bad year for the Texans catch rate. There was some definite trust issues that came to bear at the wrong time.

Hopefully another full season with Graham playing significant minutes, the absence of "Drops a sure fire TD in the endzone that could have changed the game" Casey..... schaub will spread it around & open this thang up.

It's still perception.
Early in the season, the team was doing well on both sides of the ball
We didn't need AJ; instead, we gave the ball to Foster to close out games.

In the second half, we weren't ahead anywhere close to the beginning of the season, we needed to go to the air more.
In the first eleven games, AJ averaged a little over 9 targets a game.
In the next 4 games, he averaged 10.
It was only the last game that he saw a whole bunch of targets.

In the playoffs, his number went back to the norm while O.D.'s number escalated and even exceeded AJ's by a healthy margin.

Overall, there was no noticeable trend.
It was just normal game situation; pass rush/protection; how the opponent chose to defend/cover, among other things.

Sometimes I wished we had attacked more with AJ against a certain defense but the Texans didn't.
But when I watched other NFL games, the same thing occurred; the other coaches didn't either.

Sometimes they do, but most often, they just run their offense.

TexansSeminole
04-29-2013, 06:14 PM
Actually, missed two game due to suspension at the being of the year and only one due to injury. he blantly regressed on the field and was no way a better football player than Hopkins in 2012.


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/teams/ccl/stats

As I said, he was injured in 2012. It bothered him all year. I watch alot of ACC football, they talked about it before nearly every Clemson game.

Playoffs
04-29-2013, 06:45 PM
http://images.townnews.com/lmtonline.com/content/articles/2013/04/29/front/sports/doc517de962b0379395546780.jpg

thunderkyss
04-29-2013, 07:20 PM
KW had 41 receptions last year. If Hopkins quickly picks up the playbook and learns his routes and doesn't put the ball on the field (unlike Martin and Posey), I expect him to get KWs numbers from last year. At least. If he really progresses, he could also pick up some of Casey's targets.

But I expect him to quickly grow into the numbers KW had at his peak, if not progress past them.

And if Hopkins can start putting up some big numbers, I expect AJ to start putting up some bigger numbers as teams try to get sneaky in trying to cover both of them.

I think he would have to be really special to get 41 catches. Or at least Kubiak & Schaub has to think he's special.

We'll probably see more of a rotation at that spot, with the reps LeStar & Martin have on Hopkins. Then, we'll probably see more 3 WRs instead of 2 TEs like we did last year.

So who knows?

But I think we'll see less total catches, but a higher YPC & that's what we need from that position to stretch the field.

thunderkyss
04-29-2013, 07:26 PM
... we weren't getting him the ball for one reason or another.

.
It's all semantics.


Early in the season, the team was doing well on both sides of the ball
We didn't need AJ; instead, we gave the ball to Foster to close out games.

In the second half, we weren't ahead anywhere close to the beginning of the season, we needed to go to the air more.



Good....... we agree.

The Pencil Neck
04-29-2013, 07:37 PM
I think he would have to be really special to get 41 catches. Or at least Kubiak & Schaub has to think he's special.

We'll probably see more of a rotation at that spot, with the reps LeStar & Martin have on Hopkins. Then, we'll probably see more 3 WRs instead of 2 TEs like we did last year.

So who knows?

But I think we'll see less total catches, but a higher YPC & that's what we need from that position to stretch the field.

Last year, there were 9 rookies that got over 41 catches. The year before, there were 7. The year before that, there were 8.

I expect Hopkins to be at least as good as Jordan Shipley was with the Bengals (52 catches his rookie year), a Titus Young with the Lions (48), a Doug Baldwin with the Seahawks (51), Chris Givens with the Rams (42), Michael Floyd with the Cards (45), T.Y. Hilton with the Colts (50).

His numbers might be decreased because he's NOT coming in and expected to be the #1 from Day 1 but I expect him to be one of the premier rookie WRs.

Whether he's going to live up to that expectation or not, that's the real question.

thunderkyss
04-29-2013, 07:48 PM
Last year, there were 9 rookies that got over 41 catches. The year before, there were 7. The year before that, there were 8.


I meant he would have to be special to get 41 catches on this team with Kubiak & Schaub. Not that it's rare for a rookie WR to get 41 catches. Pretty much a continuation of the "trust" concersation we were having earlier.

Andre, OD, Arian, Graham..... then the scraps. Hopkins is going to have to earn Schaub's trust on those scraps before he moves up the pecking order.

The Pencil Neck
04-29-2013, 07:54 PM
HT.com link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Matt-Schaub-excited-about-DeAndre-Hopkins-Texans-draft/df5c3ee7-526c-4340-a6eb-b14d466ab38a)


In a show of leadership, Schaub texted Hopkins after he was drafted on Thursday night around 10 p.m. CT.

“It’s very important (to do) for all the picks, but especially an early pick and being an offensive guy and someone that we’re going to be joined here for a while between me, him and ‘Dre (Andre Johnson) and Arian (Foster),” Schaub said. “So I just wanted to welcome him and let him know that there’s a lot of work ahead.”

Schaub said he was lying around at home after he texted Hopkins. He didn’t expect to get a call back at such a late hour amid the chaos Hopkins was dealing after being selected.

“The type of kid that he is, he called me back about five minutes later and we talked for about 10 minutes,” Schaub said. “Just shows his character and what he’s all about.”

Rey
04-29-2013, 08:23 PM
HT.com link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Matt-Schaub-excited-about-DeAndre-Hopkins-Texans-draft/df5c3ee7-526c-4340-a6eb-b14d466ab38a)

That's awesome man.

Im excited about this season again I'm I'm hoping that Schaub shows a little better late in the season.

But overall I think Hopkins is going to beast in this system. With the way he runs routes, if he can get his timing together he's going to see a lot of balls. When you made your initial prediction I said I had to think about it, and I do think he'd going to get at least 800 yards. I don't know about the TD's...that stuff is so unpredictable im our offense, but I think Hopkins is your day 1 starter opposite dre and I think he's a better receiver than Walter and jacoby were.

Quick II Draw
04-29-2013, 09:03 PM
Barring injury, we're looking at a MINIMUM of 50/500/5. Book it.

drs23
04-29-2013, 10:13 PM
I think he would have to be really special to get 41 catches. Or at least Kubiak & Schaub has to think he's special.

We'll probably see more of a rotation at that spot, with the reps LeStar & Martin have on Hopkins. Then, we'll probably see more 3 WRs instead of 2 TEs like we did last year.

So who knows?

But I think we'll see less total catches, but a higher YPC & that's what we need from that position to stretch the field.

Rick perhaps? He's on record saying their looking for Hopkins to start opposite AJ day one. An "IMPACT PLAYER" in the first round is his motto. That's what I'm expecting out of the 27th pick on day one as well.

Guess we'll see.

thunderkyss
04-30-2013, 04:28 PM
Rick perhaps? He's on record saying their looking for Hopkins to start opposite AJ day one. An "IMPACT PLAYER" in the first round is his motto. That's what I'm expecting out of the 27th pick on day one as well.

Guess we'll see.

I've got no doubt he'll start at WR2. Doesn't mean he'll get all the snaps. Kubiak has trust issues. Schaub has trust issues. & apparently it's pretty easy to get into Kube's doghouse.

Andre Davis should have started over Walter, didn't... & didn't get anywhere near 41 catches.

Honestly, I'd be happy if he can get 32 catches or so at 15+ a piece & 10 TDs. Solid, & promising.

Mr teX
04-30-2013, 06:01 PM
I've got no doubt he'll start at WR2. Doesn't mean he'll get all the snaps. Kubiak has trust issues. Schaub has trust issues. & apparently it's pretty easy to get into Kube's doghouse.

Andre Davis should have started over Walter, didn't... & didn't get anywhere near 41 catches.

Honestly, I'd be happy if he can get 32 catches or so at 15+ a piece & 10 TDs. Solid, & promising.

Eh, i think last year, we gave Martin, Jean and Posey the opportunity to step up by targeting them quite a bit early in the season... none of them really did although Posey started to flash consistently towards the end but then he got hurt. Had he not gotten hurt or 1 of the other guys flashed consistently, i think there's a strong possibility that Hopkins isn't here today.

I say that to say that Kubes will give him the opportunity to step up like he did with the others last year and give him plenty of short to mid-range targets early on. If he succeeds he'll start letting him leg it out a bit. I think he'll be fine.

michaelm
04-30-2013, 07:13 PM
I've got no doubt he'll start at WR2. Doesn't mean he'll get all the snaps. Kubiak has trust issues. Schaub has trust issues. & apparently it's pretty easy to get into Kube's doghouse.

Andre Davis should have started over Walter, didn't... & didn't get anywhere near 41 catches.

Honestly, I'd be happy if he can get 32 catches or so at 15+ a piece & 10 TDs. Solid, & promising.

10 TDs in 32 catches? That would be quite a TD/reception ratio...
Quite unlikely, I mean.

Fili
04-30-2013, 07:20 PM
I've got no doubt he'll start at WR2. Doesn't mean he'll get all the snaps. Kubiak has trust issues. Schaub has trust issues. & apparently it's pretty easy to get into Kube's doghouse.

Andre Davis should have started over Walter, didn't... & didn't get anywhere near 41 catches.

Honestly, I'd be happy if he can get 32 catches or so at 15+ a piece & 10 TDs. Solid, & promising.

10 TDs is exceptional. Andre only had 4. OD had 6. Arian Foster ran for 15. I don't think he'll get 10 touchdowns.

infantrycak
04-30-2013, 07:58 PM
Andre Davis should have started over Walter, didn't... & didn't get anywhere near 41 catches.

Honestly, I'd be happy if he can get 32 catches or so at 15+ a piece & 10 TDs. Solid, & promising.

Davis was the #3 so is irrelevant whether or not you think he should have started. He was also a 5-6 year vet.

All three of your numbers are off based on history.

41 receptions is a very realistic rookie number. All 3 1st rounders who played last year beat that and a total of 9 rookies did.

15 ypr is not very realistic. AJ was at 14.8 ypr. All 3 1st rounders last year fell short of that with one at 9.8 ypr.

10 TD's is too high. AJ had 4. The best of last year's 1st rounders - 5.

It would be much more realistic to look for about 50 rec. at 12.5 ypr for 625 yds and around 5 TD's.

76Texan
04-30-2013, 08:37 PM
I don't think you can set the bar for Hopkins based on the rookies last year because their situations are different.

The top two outside receivers were drafted quite higher and were the number one receiver from day one.
Kendall Wright worked out of the slot and saw a lot of short catches.
A J Jenkins was drafted at 29, I think. He barely played and did not have a single catch.

Hilton is another slot receiver. With the Colts attempted 628 passes; Wayne on one side and the speedy Avery on the other, the short routes were there for the taking.

Givens was on the Rams team that doesn't really have a number one receiver.

With AJ on the team, and how the Texans like to distribute the ball to their TEs and RBs, FBs, it's probably more realistic to expect the low 30s for Hopkins.
Anything else is gravy.

thunderkyss
04-30-2013, 09:08 PM
I don't think you can set the bar for Hopkins based on the rookies last year because their situations are different.


I'm not looking at any receiver outside of the Houston Texans.

I think Schaub will look for his crutches, I think Kubiak will rotate the WRs an ungodly amount & if he "feels" the pressure to win again, we'll probably see more two TE sets than 3 WR sets.

We'll probably never see 4 WRs

infantrycak
04-30-2013, 09:52 PM
The top two outside receivers were drafted quite higher and were the number one receiver from day one.
Kendall Wright worked out of the slot and saw a lot of short catches.


Who cares if they were drafted higher? They went to lame ass teams with no QB's and handily beat the expectations you guys are setting for Hopkins.

Larry Fitzgerald would like to know when he was demoted from #1 WR. In fact Floyd was the #3 WR in Arizona (he only started 3 games) and still beat your projections.

Wright only starting 5 games and coming in for slot duty works against your argument as he also beat your projections.

Hopkins is going to start and he is going to a team which threw for 700+ yards more than those teams.

76Texan
04-30-2013, 09:56 PM
Who cares if they were drafted higher? They went to lame ass teams with no QB's and handily beat the expectations you guys are setting for Hopkins.

Larry Fitzgerald would like to know when he was demoted from #1 WR. In fact Floyd was the #3 WR in Arizona (he only started 3 games) and still beat your projections.

Wright only starting 5 games and coming in for slot duty works against your argument as he also beat your projections.

Hopkins is going to start and he is going to a team which threw for 700+ yards more than those teams.

The top two guys belong to the category of players drafted higher.

If you think that a guy drafted lower should perform as well as them, you might as well not drafting any player. Just take a guy off the street.

Wright, like I said, belongs to the slot category.
Many of those dump passes are just an extension of the run game.
Hopkins is not going to be used in that fashion here.

infantrycak
04-30-2013, 10:04 PM
The top two guys belong to the category of players drafted higher.

Which means crap. Charles Rogers was drafted higher than AJ. More importantly, as I said and you ignored it meant all of them went to crap teams with crap QB's.

If you think that a guy drafted lower should perform as well as them, you might as well not drafting any player. Just take a guy off the street.

Insane non sequitur. If you believe that then you just need to stop watching football. They are in the same ball park - 1st round. Every year actual performance is all over the place.

Wright, like I said, belongs to the slot category.
Many of those dump passes are just an extension of the run game.
Hopkins is not going to be used in that fashion here.

No he won't. He'll actually be on the field much more so your argument makes no sense.

76Texan
04-30-2013, 10:18 PM
A J Jenkins was drafted in the first round by the Niners; he had zero catch.
Might as well set the bar for Hopkins there.

Wright was on the field for 561 snaps; Britt was in for 600.
We'll see how much time Hopkins see this year.

76Texan
04-30-2013, 10:21 PM
Floyd played for a bad team with mounting losses; they might as well give the youngsters more playing time to prep for the future.

The two most productive games for him was the last two in the season when they had absolutely nothing to play for.
In two other games against the Packers and some team I don't recall right now, 8 or 9 of his catches were late in the game when it was out of reach (garbage time).

76Texan
04-30-2013, 10:28 PM
To me, each team is different in their system and their philosophy.
Some team incorporate their TEs into the game more; others like to go to their slot receivers.
The total number of pass attempts also needs to be taken into account because some team pass more than others.
Some team has nothing to play for at the mid way point of the season and play young players more.
Some team don't use their rookie WR as much.
Look at how many targets Jacoby, Posey, and Martin had in their first year.

Lucky
04-30-2013, 10:36 PM
With AJ on the team, and how the Texans like to distribute the ball to their TEs and RBs, FBs, it's probably more realistic to expect the low 30s for Hopkins.
Anything else is gravy.
If all the Texans get out of Hopkins is low 30's reception, that would be a disappointing 1st season.

Of the receivers in this draft, Hopkins is one of the 2 or 3 that are most "pro ready". He is certain to start on a team that attempts on average about 550 passes/season. I would guess that Hopkins would see roughly 1/6th of those targets, with a 60% completion ratio. That would give him about 55 receptions at probably 700-800 yards. 1000 yards is probably too much to expect, considering that only 2 rookie WRs (AJ Green and Anquan Boldin) have gone over that mark in the past 10 seasons.

76Texan
04-30-2013, 11:13 PM
Here are the numbers from last year:

2012
AJ 112-1598-4
KW 41-518-2
KM 10-85-1
Posey and Jean with 6 each.

Posey only saw action in the last 4 games; he might see the field for 8 games this year (let's assume that for a moment).
As a second year player, he should see more targets.
KMart should also see more targets, supposedly.
So should Jean.
Graham may see more targets as well.
So how many of the 41 passes that went to KW might go to those players?
How many will be left for Hopkins if the Texans continue to give AJ his normal percentage of targets?

Rey
04-30-2013, 11:14 PM
In this offense, all things considered I'm guessing Hopkins has around 800 yards. Not sure about the TD's because that stuff is kind of weird for us.

But I think 700-800 yards (or in that ball park) is doable. If Hopkins proves himself he's not going to be rotating in and out. He's going to be a fixture on the field. And I've criticized Schaub plenty, but him in this offense equals yards being racked up generally speaking.

76Texan
04-30-2013, 11:19 PM
Here are the numbers from 2011:

2011
AJ played 7 games; he had 33 catches.

KW 39-474-3
JJ 31-512-2

Even with AJ playing only 7 games, the second receiver only got 39 catches.

The TEs, including Casey, totaled 100.

Lucky
04-30-2013, 11:20 PM
KMart should also see more targets, supposedly.
So should Jean.
Graham may see more targets as well.
Maybe they don't, because Hopkins is a more dynamic player. Martin, Jean, and Posey (if and when he sees the field) are likely competing with each other for snaps and targets and not competing with Hopkins.

76Texan
04-30-2013, 11:25 PM
Maybe they don't, because Hopkins is a more dynamic player. Martin, Jean, and Posey (if and when he sees the field) are likely competing with each other for snaps and targets and not competing with Hopkins.

Let's assume that Hopkins was given all of Walter's snaps (which I personally doubt,) the other guys should at least see the same number of total snaps as a trio.

But with increasing familiarity with the system and the QBs, they should see more targets, even if only a few more.

Hey, but Hopkins can always try to be really effective from the get go to earn Kubiak's trust and end up seeing a lot of targets. It could happen.

I just don't think the percentage should call for the utmost optimistic figures.

Lucky
04-30-2013, 11:34 PM
Let's assume that Hopkins was given all of Walter's snaps (which I personally doubt,) the other guys should at least see the same number of total snaps as a trio.

But with increasing familiarity with the system and the QBs, they should see more targets, even if only a few more.
I don't see why you don't believe Hopkins will at least get Walter's snaps. The Texans though so much of Walter, they cut him without offering a re-structure. The Texans thought enough of Hopkins to spend a 1st round pick.

powda
04-30-2013, 11:46 PM
If he gets 40 catches and 600-700 yards with maybe 3 tds i'll be thrilled. Hopefully, another downfield threat keeps defenses lose and the entire offense is more productive. I'd love to see big numbers outta him but think instead it will help others more year one.

I think the addition of greg jones has been overlooked and that will help downfield as well as the threat of hopkins. I'm stoked about the offense despite a lack of faith in schaub. On defense we needed a nose tackle. Wont hurt us to much till we face playoff caliber teams...then...well...deja vu.

infantrycak
04-30-2013, 11:59 PM
Here are the numbers from last year:

2012
AJ 112-1598-4
KW 41-518-2
KM 10-85-1
Posey and Jean with 6 each.

...

So how many of the 41 passes that went to KW might go to those players?
How many will be left for Hopkins if the Texans continue to give AJ his normal percentage of targets?

Not sure why you think the issue is how many will be left for Hopkins. Hopkins is the #2 - the question is how many will be left for the WRs deeper on the roster.

You are confusing targets and receptions. Walter was targeted 68 times and Martin 27, Jean 12 and Posey 14. So only Walter caught more than half the balls thrown to him (and he had an off year at just 60%). I'm sure Kubiak will be pulling his shiny new 1st rounder for the 41% club - one of whom won't even be available to mid-season at best.

One other thing to consider. Casey was targeted 45 times last season. Jones will be lucky to get 10. So there you go, 35 targets to spread around the others.

The Pencil Neck
05-01-2013, 12:22 AM
There's a couple of different ways they could go about this. BUT. I expect Hopkins to become the #2.

Schaub and Kubiak have said over and over again that the way this offense works (when it's working right), is that everyone runs their routes and the defense determines who gets the ball. I think that's true, to a point. I think that Schaub sometimes forced the ball into AJ even when the defense dictated he go somewhere else simply because he trusted AJ to make a play and he didn't expect that same play out of other guys.

I expect Hopkins to get pushed into the #2 almost immediately. If he learns the playbook and if he shows that he's got good hands, I expect him to get almost as many targets as KW got last year. He might not get as many until he builds up some trust, but I expect him to get a helluva lot more than Posey or Martin got last year.

I think the plan was for Posey to move into that role this year but with his injury, I expect him to get pupped. I don't expect him to be a real "target hog" this year. If Martin steps up and starts catching the ball better, then he'll get more targets as well.

Texn4life
05-01-2013, 12:27 AM
76 I'm not sure where you're coming from on this one. I'm throwing all stats aside here, and just looking at facts alone. Right now Hopkins is our 2nd best receiver on our team. He will be on the field if healthy the majority of the time and will get a ton of targets because he fits this system perfectly.

I don't want to base my expectations of him on strictly numbers because I think his impact is going to be bigger than that. I think he'll force Martin and Jean to step their game up. If they're true competitors then it wouldn't surprise me to see them make a big leap because they see a guy being drafted in the 1st because they're not getting it done. That said, I still don't think they'll beat Hopkins out as our WR2. He'll get plenty of opportunities to make a big impact especially considering Andre won't be able to play every down. We need to rest him probably even more than last year because he'll be a year older.

beerlover
05-01-2013, 12:44 AM
this will all seem so academic in a few years when Andre is enjoying retirement while DeAndre is the Texans feature WR :)

Rey
05-01-2013, 07:29 AM
I don't understand comparing him to Martin, Jean and Walter.

We spent a first round pick on this guy. This is the highest kubiak and smith have ever drafted a WR.

The expectations of how he'll be used in this offense shouldn't be based on what all these lower end pieces have done.

It'd be like drafting eifert this year and saying he'd take Garret grahms production. Football isn't played on a pie chart. There isn't some set number if targets alloted to each position group.

All things considered, I wouldn't be worried about Hopkins having to find targets...LeStar Jean, posey, Keshawn Martin...those are the guys who's numbers might go down because you've inserted a much more talented player ahead of them.

Señor Stan
05-01-2013, 07:58 AM
I expect Hopkins to be open more often than the Walter, Jean, Martin, etc...

HOU-TEX
05-01-2013, 09:06 AM
I expect him to go for 189 - 1952 yds - 21 TDs

drs23
05-01-2013, 09:35 AM
Here are the numbers from last year:

2012
AJ 112-1598-4
KW 41-518-2
KM 10-85-1
Posey and Jean with 6 each.

Posey only saw action in the last 4 games; he might see the field for 8 games this year (let's assume that for a moment).
As a second year player, he should see more targets.
KMart should also see more targets, supposedly.
So should Jean.
Graham may see more targets as well.
So how many of the 41 passes that went to KW might go to those players?
How many will be left for Hopkins if the Texans continue to give AJ his normal percentage of targets?

Man, I don't see how you can rationalize so blatantly with a statement like that. None of those guys were 1st round picks and it makes a difference if you want to accept it as fact or not. Hopkins has been touted as the most "pro ready" receiver in the draft by the heads and our GM and HC as well. If you think he's going to see less targets than all these guys you have listed ahead of him then I'm just SMH.

I think that stance is some pretty weak sauces.

The Pencil Neck
05-01-2013, 10:11 AM
I expect him to go for 189 - 1952 yds - 21 TDs

In the first game.

HOU-TEX
05-01-2013, 10:27 AM
In the first game.

Nah, he's just a rookie. That's at our bye

The Pencil Neck
05-01-2013, 10:45 AM
Nah, he's just a rookie. That's at our bye

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

ObsiWan
05-01-2013, 11:26 AM
I've got no doubt he'll start at WR2. Doesn't mean he'll get all the snaps. Kubiak has trust issues. Schaub has trust issues. & apparently it's pretty easy to get into Kube's doghouse.

Andre Davis should have started over Walter, didn't... & didn't get anywhere near 41 catches.

Honestly, I'd be happy if he can get 32 catches or so at 15+ a piece & 10 TDs. Solid, & promising.

Happy? Hell, we'd all be orgas.. ummm... I mean, very delighted with those numbers.
:doot:

ObsiWan
05-01-2013, 11:27 AM
I find your lack of faith disturbing.

What have I told you about neglecting the visuals when using Star Wars quotes...??
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQk3SAiMb9b-AGEb343S0-0RL56LI-gOX5JGNVW2ogOy1KhtTmGBw
:fostering:

badboy
05-01-2013, 03:16 PM
I enjoyed reading this:

In a show of leadership, Schaub texted Hopkins after he was drafted on Thursday night around 10 p.m. CT.

“It’s very important (to do) for all the picks, but especially an early pick and being an offensive guy and someone that we’re going to be joined here for a while between me, him and ‘Dre (Andre Johnson) and Arian (Foster),” Schaub said. “So I just wanted to welcome him and let him know that there’s a lot of work ahead.”

Schaub said he was lying around at home after he texted Hopkins. He didn’t expect to get a call back at such a late hour amid the chaos Hopkins was dealing after being selected.

“The type of kid that he is, he called me back about five minutes later and we talked for about 10 minutes,” Schaub said. “Just shows his character and what he’s all about.”

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dahHV?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=houston-texans

thunderkyss
05-01-2013, 07:48 PM
I expect Hopkins to be open more often than the Walter, Jean, Martin, etc...

Matt needs to believe that Hopkins will be open. Then he has to believe the ball will be caught. At the very least, he has to believe Hopkins will prevent the ball from going to the other team (hence why Schaub will put the ball right on OD or KDub, but put the ball where only LeStar or Jacoby can get it if they make a play).

& that's only if Hopkins can get on the field. He's got to grasp & understand the play book. He has to be a willful blocker, & heaven forbid he yawns at a team meeting & get stuffed in the dog house, or shows up late at a meeting & the team plane leaves him.

Remember, the talented Mr. Foster couldn't beat Chris Brown for a roster spot. Sure Foster was undrafted, but he was still more talented than Brown. Surely he grasped the play book as well as Brown. Surely he understood the play book. Surely he protected the ball as much as "don't throw it if it's not there on the half-back pass" Brown.

The Pencil Neck
05-01-2013, 10:29 PM
Remember, the talented Mr. Foster couldn't beat Chris Brown for a roster spot. Sure Foster was undrafted, but he was still more talented than Brown. Surely he grasped the play book as well as Brown. Surely he understood the play book. Surely he protected the ball as much as "don't throw it if it's not there on the half-back pass" Brown.

I'm with you up until this tirade.

Arian himself has said he had a bad work ethic and a bad attitude when he came to the Texans. Do I think he grasped the play book as well as Chris Brown? No, I don't. I don't think Arian was applying himself. I don't think he was studying hard. I think he had given up and was planning on hitting it hard the next year. He's pretty much said as much. He didn't know that a practice squad player could be moved up to the main squad until he was watching MNF and they mentioned some PS player getting a chance.

At that point, Arian started applying himself. And when he started showing signs of "getting it" in practice, he started getting time on the field.

Up until that point, he was not ready to play. Doesn't matter how talented he was, he was not ready to play.

beerlover
05-02-2013, 01:17 AM
I'm good, really good with the Hopkins kid. But you know me I just wanted to do some comparisons with other top WR performances from the combine just to get a sense of their respective measureable.

Hopkins 6010 214, ran a 4.46 33 3/8" arms 10" hands & 36" vertical.
Hunter 6040 197, ran 4.37 33 1/4" arms 9 3/8" hands & 39.5 vertical.
Dez Bryant 6014 224, ran 4.52 34" arms 9 3/4" hands & 38" vertical.
AJ Green, 6035 211, ran 4.50 34 3/8" arms 9 1/4" hands & 34.5" vertical.
Julio Jones, 6026 220, ran 4.39 33 3/4" arms 9 3/4" arms & 38.5 vertical.

Those are first round grade measureables for WR position. Gotta feel good about DeAndre fitting right in here. Nailing WR position is as hard as it gets. Adding Texans Worthy factor even harder which says a lot about what this staff thinks about him. :twocents:

TejasTom
05-02-2013, 06:36 AM
... I just wanted to do some comparisons with other top WR performances from the combine just to get a sense of their respective measureable.
...

Thanks for listing those, makes feel even better about this pick.

Lucky
05-02-2013, 06:57 AM
Hopkins 6010 214, ran a 4.46 33 3/8" arms 10" hands & 36" vertical.
Hunter 6040 197, ran 4.37 33 1/4" arms 9 3/8" hands & 39.5 vertical.
Dez Bryant 6014 224, ran 4.52 34" arms 9 3/4" hands & 38" vertical.
AJ Green, 6035 211, ran 4.50 34 3/8" arms 9 1/4" hands & 34.5" vertical.
Julio Jones, 6026 220, ran 4.39 33 3/4" arms 9 3/4" arms & 38.5 vertical.

NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker) has Hopkins running a 4.57 and Hunter a 4.44. Not that I think it matters, but if you're going to make comparisons, they should at least be accurate.

Playoffs
05-02-2013, 07:24 AM
NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker) has Hopkins running a 4.57 and Hunter a 4.44. Not that I think it matters, but if you're going to make comparisons, they should at least be accurate.

Hopkins ran 4.41 & 4.46 at his Pro Day according to ESPN: http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9028253/deandre-hopkins-clemson-tigers-runs-40-yard-dash-441-seconds

Lucky
05-02-2013, 09:54 AM
Hopkins ran 4.41 & 4.46 at his Pro Day according to ESPN: http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9028253/deandre-hopkins-clemson-tigers-runs-40-yard-dash-441-seconds
OK, but that's not an apples-to-apples comparison to the other WRs whose numbers are from the combine. Which is why comparing these numbers is pretty much fruitless.

thunderkyss
05-02-2013, 05:19 PM
Arian himself has said he had a bad work ethic and a bad attitude when he came to the Texans.



The point is still the same. We don't know if Hopkins is "pro" enough for Kubiak. That's all I'm saying. Doesn't matter if Hopkins gives us the best shot to win. If Kubiak doesn't like his preparation, kid won't see the field.


I don't think Arian was applying himself. I don't think he was studying hard. I think he had given up and was planning on hitting it hard the next year. He's pretty much said as much. He didn't know that a practice squad player could be moved up to the main squad until he was watching MNF and they mentioned some PS player getting a chance.

At that point, Arian started applying himself. And when he started showing signs of "getting it" in practice, he started getting time on the field.

Up until that point, he was not ready to play. Doesn't matter how talented he was, he was not ready to play.

I don't remember hearing Arian say any of that. I thought he was on a mission the minute he went undrafted.

The Pencil Neck
05-02-2013, 05:45 PM
The point is still the same. We don't know if Hopkins is "pro" enough for Kubiak. That's all I'm saying. Doesn't matter if Hopkins gives us the best shot to win. If Kubiak doesn't like his preparation, kid won't see the field.

I don't remember hearing Arian say any of that. I thought he was on a mission the minute he went undrafted.

Nope.

He's talked about this and he's admitted he was depressed and upset and sulking. He'd pretty much given up getting onto the field that season.

Seeing that a guy can go from the Practice Squad to the real team is one of the big things that lit a fire under his ass and got him going. IIRC, the other was a conversation with Kubiak where Kubes said, "Show me you're ready in practice and I'll put you on the field." or something to that effect. The MNF crew even patted themselves on the back for it at one point.

We talked about it a lot on Texans Talk back in the day after it came out because up until that point, quite a few people were pissed off that Arian hadn't seen the field sooner.

TexansSeminole
05-02-2013, 05:56 PM
For those wondering if Hopkins is the #2 right now.

Already penciled in as a starter, Hopkins is under pressure to make an immediate impact at the Z role across from six-time Pro Bowl wide receiver Andre Johnson.

"I'm expecting it right off the get-go," Texans coach Gary Kubiak told the team's official website this week. "He's going in there, he's gonna get the reps. It's gonna be a very competitive situation, but we took (Hopkins at No. 27 overall) because we expect him to play very, very early and touch (the ball).

"This guy's on his way to being a pro already, and we've got to help him get there real fast."

Link (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000166310/article/deandre-hopkins-might-start-early-for-houston-texans)

Pretty much sounds like he is the #2 right now. We may see some liberal subbing during pre-season, but once the real games start I expect Hopkins to get the majority of snaps at #2 receiver.

JB
05-02-2013, 06:10 PM
For those wondering if Hopkins is the #2 right now.



Link (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000166310/article/deandre-hopkins-might-start-early-for-houston-texans)

Pretty much sounds like he is the #2 right now. We may see some liberal subbing during pre-season, but once the real games start I expect Hopkins to get the majority of snaps at #2 receiver.

As long as this guy continues to work hard, he'll get the majority of snaps at #2, until he makes a gaff on or off the field and Kubiak gives him a "lesson"

thunderkyss
05-02-2013, 07:04 PM
For those wondering if Hopkins is the #2 right now.

It's gonna be a very competitive situation, but we took (Hopkins at No. 27 overall) because we expect him to play very, very early and touch (the ball).

Link (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000166310/article/deandre-hopkins-might-start-early-for-houston-texans)

Pretty much sounds like he is the #2 right now. We may see some liberal subbing during pre-season, but once the real games start I expect Hopkins to get the majority of snaps at #2 receiver.

Sounds like Kubiak isn't giving him anything. He'll still have to prove the spot is his & that includes "being a pro".

Again, I have no doubt that the expectation was to start him right away.

They took Kareem at 20 and he started every game that season. They also didn't have any better option, but they did reduce his snaps once we picked up Jason Allen.

Duane Brown, 26th overall, started every game... but didn't take every snap. Again, no better option on the team.

Brian Cushing 15th overall, Jj Watt 11th... both started as rookies same as Mario Williams & Demeco Ryans.... but what options did we have?

Whitney Mercilus; 26th overall started 4 games. We had options.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7540/devier-posey) the Texans expect WR DeVier Posey (Achilles) to begin the season on the reserve/PUP list.

We may not have "good" options at WR2 other than Hopkins, but we can see a lot of Martin & LeStar (like Ephraim Salaam, & Jason Allen) & Two tightend sets.

TexansSeminole
05-02-2013, 07:17 PM
We may not have "good" options at WR2 other than Hopkins, but we can see a lot of Martin & LeStar (like Ephraim Salaam, & Jason Allen) & Two tightend sets.

I suppose we could, but I doubt Martin or LeStar are going to be taking any snaps from Hopkins or Johnson unless they need a breather.

Hopkins is way more talented than any WR on our roster outside of Andre. Additionally, he hasn't played a down in the NFL and he has proven just as much as Martin and LeStar have in the NFL. Absolutely nothing.

Kubiak's quotes to me say, "he was taken to start and that is what he is going to do, unless he comes in here and is not a pro at all, which is not at all what I expect."

thunderkyss
05-02-2013, 07:58 PM
Kubiak's quotes to me say, "he was taken to start and that is what he is going to do, unless he comes in here and is not a pro at all, which is not at all what I expect."

I see it the same way. Just throwing it out there. There are a few reasons Hopkins may not perform the way we hope, there always is.

Matt's trust issues
Hopkins' ability to learn the play book
Kubiak's dog house

TexansSeminole
05-02-2013, 08:16 PM
I see it the same way. Just throwing it out there. There are a few reasons Hopkins may not perform the way we hope, there always is.

Matt's trust issues
Hopkins' ability to learn the play book
Kubiak's dog house

I think the most likely thing to keep him off the field is injury. Wouldn't that be terrible to finally have a #2, but....ok I will stop talking about it.

Clemson's playbook is crazy versatile. He ran all kinds of routes and did all kinds of things for them. I'm pretty sure he even completed a 2 point conversion pass to Tajh Boyd, if I remember correctly. I don't really worry about his ability to learn the play book, but that's all assumption based on his involvement in the Clemson offense.

Kubiak's dog house could easily get him if he starts dropping balls left and right, but this guy is known for having elite type of hands.

If Posey was not injured, I would think that the two would compete. But even in such a situation, I would expect Hopkins to win that battle pretty easily, to be honest. That's all opinion though, obviously.

76Texan
05-02-2013, 08:41 PM
If he did complete a pass on a 2-pt conversion, it would bring his batting average up to .250 LOL

Texan_Bill
05-02-2013, 08:53 PM
As long as this guy continues to work hard, he'll get the majority of snaps at #2, until he makes a gaff on or off the field and Kubiak gives him a "lesson"

Holy SHYTE!! You are still alive you old Curmudgeon!! Give me a call you old bastage!!

*ahem* Back on topic, this guy could not only be a great compliment to'Dre but also be the future "feature" receiver for the Texans... Someone (and I apologize for not remembering who) posted a link to "Sports Science: DeAndre Hopkins" which was AWESOME!!!

If you have any doubts, watch that video on YouTube