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DX-TEX
04-20-2013, 09:23 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/20/andre-johnson-asks-the-texans-to-draft-a-wide-receiver/

When we posted our Houston Texans draft needs today, we started at wide receiver. Andre Johnson agrees with that assessment.

Johnson told John McClain of the Houston Chronicle that he’s been lobbying the front office to use the Texans’ first-round pick, No. 27 overall, on a wide receiver.

“I’d like to have another [receiver],” Johnson said. “I’m all for it. I’ve asked for it for awhile. The more weapons we have, the better it’ll be for the team.”


This made me depressed. Dre is all class and the definition of a pro and this makes me feel like he is now pleading for help.

Maybe Im wrong but this makes me really despise Kubiak and Rick Smith even more.

htownfan32
04-20-2013, 09:29 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/20/andre-johnson-asks-the-texans-to-draft-a-wide-receiver/



This made me depressed. Dre is all class and the definition of a pro and this makes me feel like he is now pleading for help.

Maybe Im wrong but this makes me really despise Kubiak and Rick Smith even more.

Yeah, I got the same vibe. Sad.

IDEXAN
04-20-2013, 09:38 PM
He got two of them last year, and he got his safety buddy from the U this year.
That's enough.

DX-TEX
04-20-2013, 09:56 PM
He got two of them last year, and he got his safety buddy from the U this year.
That's enough.

But he just said that now not last year. Speculation, but it says to me he doesn't have much faith in Martin, Jean or Posey at this point.

I feel if this season doesn't go well (AFCCG or better) Dre will asked to be traded or released.

EVOLVIST
04-20-2013, 10:25 PM
A little more in depth link:

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/04/andre-johnson-wants-texans-to-take-wide-receiver-in-draft/?cmpid=sportshcat

He answers DX-TX's question here:

“If we’re able to add another guy, it would probably be the best group of receivers we’ve had since I’ve been here,” Johnson said. “Adding another guy (to go with) Posey, Lestar (Jean) and Keshawn — that’s a lot of talent. Not only would it be good for now, but it would be good for our future.” - So I don't think he's down on the guys we already have, but maybe he doesn't think one is an automatic #2.

I like how he goes on to say he'd like to play another 5 years:

“I think there’s a big window for the organization, but Andre Johnson’s window is not very big,” he said. “When I came into this league, my goal was to play 10 years. Now I want to play five more."

And here's a comment from a fan that I can really get behind, from the same link:

RD90
9:20 PM on April 20, 2013
Take Dre Hopkins out of Clemson, he'll be ready to go day 1 and will be a big red zone threat.

Trade one of our mid-round picks (we have a few extra via the supplemental) for Nick Foles from the Eagles. Foles isn't going to fit into Chip Kelly's read-option offense and would be nice (and inexpensive...draft choice wise) replacement for Schaub after the the 2014 season (once his guaranteed money has cleared the cap) if not before.

You're not going to trade any supplement picks, but if there was anyway to get Nick Foles and give up some picks I would do it in a heartbeat.

ChampionTexan
04-20-2013, 10:53 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/20/andre-johnson-asks-the-texans-to-draft-a-wide-receiver/



This made me depressed. Dre is all class and the definition of a pro and this makes me feel like he is now pleading for help.

Maybe Im wrong but this makes me really despise Kubiak and Rick Smith even more.

I'm sorry, but while I don't believe for one minute Andre is "pleading for help" with the idea of moving on if he doesn't get it, I find it incredible that anyone would actually believe he's got any basis whatsoever to do so.

Thanks to using his Uncle as his agent, 'Dre did a crappy second deal, and pretty much immediately upon voicing displeasure about it, had that deal redone with 5 years still left on it - that's unheard of. If I recall correctly, he became the second highest paid receiver in the league at the time (2010). Since then, his team has gone to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years, won a playoff game in both of those two seasons, and continue to have a window to win that is roughly equivalent to the prime years Dre's got left in his career.

The Texans have put 'Dre into a very good position at this point in his career, and anyone claiming he's going to be unhappy and want to move on if his input/comments aren't acted upon doesn't know 'Dre very well, and they apparently don't understand the business of NFL football very well either.

DocBar
04-20-2013, 10:59 PM
I say get him some help, but don't reach. As usual, go BPA and use your draft board. I, for one, don't think Posey will ever have an impact on an NFL team. An Achilles injury will be too much to overcome.

TexansSeminole
04-20-2013, 11:05 PM
I really don't view it as Dre pleading for help. It sounds more to me like he is trying to reassure everybody that he has no problem with help or less touches, actually he encourages it when it helps the team. He is telling people that he likes the idea.

I think it's obvious that we need another receiver right now and will address it in the draft. You have to remember that we have spent a great deal of draft picks on defense. We had one of the worst defenses in the league 2 years ago and were switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4. There are legitimate reasons for having not drafting a receiver high in recent seasons. We are lucky to have hit on JJ Watt or pass rush would be our biggest need over receiver and right tackle right now.

DX-TEX
04-20-2013, 11:23 PM
A little more in depth link:

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/04/andre-johnson-wants-texans-to-take-wide-receiver-in-draft/?cmpid=sportshcat

He answers DX-TX's question here:

- So I don't think he's down on the guys we already have, but maybe he doesn't think one is an automatic #2.

I like how he goes on to say he'd like to play another 5 years:



And here's a comment from a fan that I can really get behind, from the same link:



You're not going to trade any supplement picks, but if there was anyway to get Nick Foles and give up some picks I would do it in a heartbeat.

Knew I should have clicked the link in that PFT article. I fell for the trap!

I do not want Foles though. I don't see him being any better than TJ right now.

PapaL
04-21-2013, 12:03 AM
I do not want Foles though. I don't see him being any better than TJ right now.

This I agree with. We don't know what we have in TJ but that doesn't mean someone else's garbage is better than our "garbage".

Vance87
04-21-2013, 12:10 AM
I really liked Posey's potential when we drafted him. He came on at the end of the season and then of course he tore his damn achilles. That makes this whole situation a lot more difficult.

Texn4life
04-21-2013, 12:34 AM
The thing is we haven't really had a first round bust since Okoye so its not like we've drafted bad in the first round. Our defense sucked so its been tough to get a big free agent receiver when we've been trying to improve the team on the other side of the ball.

I do think its time to get him some help in the form of a guy the team really thinks can be a #2, but I do know what I really would have done differently in the first round the last 4 or 5 years.

TexansSeminole
04-21-2013, 01:25 AM
I really liked Posey's potential when we drafted him. He came on at the end of the season and then of course he tore his damn achilles. That makes this whole situation a lot more difficult.

We should treat the Posey situation as if he will never contribute. He was a project that hadn't had alot of playing time coming out of college anyway.

Vance87
04-21-2013, 01:52 AM
We should treat the Posey situation as if he will never contribute. He was a project that hadn't had alot of playing time coming out of college anyway.

Of course we should, even if he didn't get injured most would say we still need a #2 receiver, just that he was showing flashes of brilliance and then he got hurt, which basically puts us back at square 1.

Norg
04-21-2013, 01:54 AM
HE ALREADY got help Posey and Martin and Lestar


and I know this front office there not giving up on POsey just after 1 year


besides this offensive does not run throught WR more like TE and RB


if anything andre expect another Tight end or RB LOL ..

Maddict5
04-21-2013, 03:37 AM
The thing is we haven't really had a first round bust since Okoye so its not like we've drafted bad in the first round.



I guess.... if you class the current all-pro and best LT in football, droty and top 3 ilb in the league, probowl-calibre cb (in 2012 anyway), current dpoty who probably just had 1 of the best seasons by a defensive player ever and a pass rusher coming off a promising rookie season as 'not busts'

just out of curiousity- can anybody show me a better 4 yr streak of prolific 1st rd drafting that the Texans had from 08-11?

best let them keep doing their thing and let aj keep doing his. wonder if the cards regret taking gm advice from fitz re kolb and Michael floyd

kingtexan
04-21-2013, 08:41 AM
The help that AJ needs is a better distributor under center.

Fili
04-21-2013, 09:13 AM
He better ask for another WR. Less trouble for him, if the the newbie is good.

Rey
04-21-2013, 12:07 PM
To me it sounds like Andre wants another beast on the other side. We have some nice players that can make good plays, but we don't have that legit scare the he'll out of defenses threat on the other side.

EllisUnit
04-21-2013, 12:08 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/20/andre-johnson-asks-the-texans-to-draft-a-wide-receiver/



This made me depressed. Dre is all class and the definition of a pro and this makes me feel like he is now pleading for help.

Maybe Im wrong but this makes me really despise Kubiak and Rick Smith even more.

Its cause he knows with a little pressure off him he could break CJs receiving record :kitten:. And i believe if he EVER had a legit #2 AJ would hold many more records than he currently does. He has pretty much been our only WR threat since he's been here.

Other teams have a bad ass #1 and usually try to get a #2 who could be a #1. The texans no, we get 1 good guy and they expect him to carry the team as far as that position goes.

The Pencil Neck
04-21-2013, 12:19 PM
I guess.... if you class the current all-pro and best LT in football, droty and top 3 ilb in the league, probowl-calibre cb (in 2012 anyway), current dpoty who probably just had 1 of the best seasons by a defensive player ever and a pass rusher coming off a promising rookie season as 'not busts'

just out of curiousity- can anybody show me a better 4 yr streak of prolific 1st rd drafting that the Texans had from 08-11?

best let them keep doing their thing and let aj keep doing his. wonder if the cards regret taking gm advice from fitz re kolb and Michael floyd

Steelers:
2003 -- Polamalu
2004 -- Roethlisberger
2005 -- Heath Miller
2006 -- Santonio Holmes

Steelers:
1969 -- Joe Greene
1970 -- Terry Bradshaw
1971 -- Frank Lewis but in the 2nd round, Jack Hamm
1972 -- Franco Harris
1973 -- JT Thomas (meh)
1974 -- Lynn Swann, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth, and Mike Webster

Cowboys:
1988 -- Michael Irvin
1989 -- Troy Aikman
1990 -- Emmitt Smith

Not saying these are better. Just saying these are some of the good 3-4+ years of drafting.

GP
04-21-2013, 12:55 PM
The help that AJ needs is a better distributor under center.

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Nawzer
04-21-2013, 01:39 PM
You know what this means....Texans will probably draft a punter in the first round.

Texecutioner
04-21-2013, 01:42 PM
Seems like a lot of Texans fans never learn.

All of this talk about Posey still? Really?

Posey didn't do squat last season. He made a few plays at the end of the season, but before that he struggled all year to take a position start from guys like Jean & Martin who many were trying to tout as the next big time play makers on the other side of AJ. Did that happen ever? Nope. Just imagine if Martin or Jean got hurt early on in the year for the entire season, and this same off season talk would consist of a ton of people going on and on about how much potential Martin or Jean had and what they could have done had they not gotten hurt. Luckily they didn't, and we're not going through that debacle, but Posey still exists as this next Jacoby Jones/Martin/Jean guy that is going to be the next #2 WR that never breaks out to hardly do anything.


The Texans just need to throw their chips in on a bonafied stud that doesn't have a ton of risk at him being a bust, so they'll need to find a way to get the best guy out of the draft this season or trade up next year if they want to finally accomplish this task of finding a new big time WR. All of this worthless talk about Posey is a waste of time, and people need to look back on history and look at how many other lower tier hopefuls failed to be the guy on the other side of AJ that would do a lot of damage. Posey isn't that guy anymore then JJ/Jean/Martin were. He is just another guy that has low potential that hasn't proven anything that Texans fans are putting blind hope into at this point. HIs injury doesn't help his case either.

DX-TEX
04-21-2013, 02:02 PM
The help that AJ needs is a better distributor under center.

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Vance87
04-21-2013, 02:09 PM
Seems like a lot of Texans fans never learn.

All of this talk about Posey still? Really?

Posey didn't do squat last season. He made a few plays at the end of the season, but before that he struggled all year to take a position start from guys like Jean & Martin who many were trying to tout as the next big time play makers on the other side of AJ. Did that happen ever? Nope. Just imagine if Martin or Jean got hurt early on in the year for the entire season, and this same off season talk would consist of a ton of people going on and on about how much potential Martin or Jean had and what they could have done had they not gotten hurt. Luckily they didn't, and we're not going through that debacle, but Posey still exists as this next Jacoby Jones/Martin/Jean guy that is going to be the next #2 WR that never breaks out to hardly do anything.

You realize he basically sat out his entire senior year right? Do you know how difficult it is to play as a junior, sit out as a senior, and then be expected to make an NFL roster as a #2 WR your rookie season? Of course you don't, and I won't guess at your finely polished athletic career because it'd be pointless to do so.

Posey has all the talent necessary to be a premium wideout, but it's up to him. But apparently you can't even give him that, since you've already decided his future.

IBleedTexans
04-21-2013, 02:27 PM
Seems like a lot of Texans fans never learn.

All of this talk about Posey still? Really?

Posey didn't do squat last season. He made a few plays at the end of the season, but before that he struggled all year to take a position start from guys like Jean & Martin who many were trying to tout as the next big time play makers on the other side of AJ. Did that happen ever? Nope. Just imagine if Martin or Jean got hurt early on in the year for the entire season, and this same off season talk would consist of a ton of people going on and on about how much potential Martin or Jean had and what they could have done had they not gotten hurt. Luckily they didn't, and we're not going through that debacle, but Posey still exists as this next Jacoby Jones/Martin/Jean guy that is going to be the next #2 WR that never breaks out to hardly do anything.


The Texans just need to throw their chips in on a bonafied stud that doesn't have a ton of risk at him being a bust, so they'll need to find a way to get the best guy out of the draft this season or trade up next year if they want to finally accomplish this task of finding a new big time WR. All of this worthless talk about Posey is a waste of time, and people need to look back on history and look at how many other lower tier hopefuls failed to be the guy on the other side of AJ that would do a lot of damage. Posey isn't that guy anymore then JJ/Jean/Martin were. He is just another guy that has low potential that hasn't proven anything that Texans fans are putting blind hope into at this point. HIs injury doesn't help his case either.

While I agree about the who lower tier hopeful( Jeremiah Johnson I thought something more), Posey was the # 2 prospect coming out Highschool I believe .that dude has the tools to become a solid 1 . Plus he has the want to to get better,and who better to be learning from than a great worker in AJ . Devier Posey would make plays with no QB so he should only be better with an adequate QB in Matt( which is IMO ).

Maybe I'm bias by being a fan ,but I've seen examples in previous hard workers like, Kareem ,Brian ,and JJ, so I'm hopeful this will work with with Posey too . Maybe even drafting Keenan Allen or Nuk . Pair that with. Aj ,Keshawn and Posey mid season. Yea I think the future looks bright for the Texans Wr's

Remember when the secondary was the weakest unit we had . Seems like the good drafting of Rick smith has been paying off . Don't be so quick to write someone off . He was a rookie and Wr is one of the hardest to get use to in the nfl .

Goldensilence
04-21-2013, 03:21 PM
I'm really surprised by some of the responses.

Do I think AJ is begging for some help? Borderline. I think he's pointing out what's been screamingly obvious to everyone but the FO, this team needs a legit #2 WR and throwing late round picks at the problem isn't going to solve the problem anymore than late round picks at safety helped.

Name someone else productive at WR since KW production has just fallen off the charts. Martin? Slot WR at best. Lestar doesn't have the high end speed you want in an elite outside WR. Posey was a project before the injury and even more so after. Still a bad pick. This team just can't seem to develop anything legit at WR.

76Texan
04-21-2013, 04:02 PM
I'm really surprised by some of the responses.

Do I think AJ is begging for some help? Borderline. I think he's pointing out what's been screamingly obvious to everyone but the FO, this team needs a legit #2 WR and throwing late round picks at the problem isn't going to solve the problem anymore than late round picks at safety helped.

Name someone else productive at WR since KW production has just fallen off the charts. Martin? Slot WR at best. Lestar doesn't have the high end speed you want in an elite outside WR. Posey was a project before the injury and even more so after. Still a bad pick. This team just can't seem to develop anything legit at WR.

Just want to point out that the Patriots had drafted WR higher than the Texans since 2006 (high second #36, and two thirds.) None of them panned out; one was cut.

The Texans had 3 guys:
Jacoby who they let go either due to money or player personal safety (or a combination of both), Posey and Martin who only had one year in the league.
(Two thirds and a fourth.)

Which team did a better job developing receivers? Just saying.

steelbtexan
04-21-2013, 04:54 PM
While I agree about the who lower tier hopeful( Jeremiah Johnson I thought something more), Posey was the # 2 prospect coming out Highschool I believe .that dude has the tools to become a solid 1 . Plus he has the want to to get better,and who better to be learning from than a great worker in AJ . Devier Posey would make plays with no QB so he should only be better with an adequate QB in Matt( which is IMO ).

Maybe I'm bias by being a fan ,but I've seen examples in previous hard workers like, Kareem ,Brian ,and JJ, so I'm hopeful this will work with with Posey too . Maybe even drafting Keenan Allen or Nuk . Pair that with. Aj ,Keshawn and Posey mid season. Yea I think the future looks bright for the Texans Wr's

Remember when the secondary was the weakest unit we had . Seems like the good drafting of Rick smith has been paying off . Don't be so quick to write someone off . He was a rookie and Wr is one of the hardest to get use to in the nfl .

Posey may or may not make it back. He certainly shouldn't be counted on as a WR2 next yr or for that matter ever. If he makes it back that's a bonus.

Signing JJO and Manning had more to do with the secondary improving than any draft accumen that Rick may posess. Along with bringing on Wade and Wade's handpicked DB coach. (Joseph)

Maddict5
04-21-2013, 05:49 PM
Just want to point out that the Patriots had drafted WR higher than the Texans since 2006 (high second #36, and two thirds.) None of them panned out; one was cut.

The Texans had 3 guys:
Jacoby who they let go either due to money or player personal safety (or a combination of both), Posey and Martin who only had one year in the league.
(Two thirds and a fourth.)

Which team did a better job developing receivers? Just saying.

it always amazes me how myopic some texans fans are. they expect an unrealistic 'perfect team' but if they actually looked around and studied what other teams do/have done, theyd see this regime is elite in terms of draft and free agency additions even if they is the odd mistake too.
cue some dumbass that 'doesn't settle' and has 'high standards in my own life' that expects no mistakes from the FO ;p

Maddict5
04-21-2013, 05:52 PM
Steelers:
2003 -- Polamalu
2004 -- Roethlisberger
2005 -- Heath Miller
2006 -- Santonio Holmes

Steelers:
1969 -- Joe Greene
1970 -- Terry Bradshaw
1971 -- Frank Lewis but in the 2nd round, Jack Hamm
1972 -- Franco Harris
1973 -- JT Thomas (meh)
1974 -- Lynn Swann, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth, and Mike Webster

Cowboys:
1988 -- Michael Irvin
1989 -- Troy Aikman
1990 -- Emmitt Smith

Not saying these are better. Just saying these are some of the good 3-4+ years of drafting.

yep its pretty rare to see the run of home run picks that the Texans have had

thunderkyss
04-21-2013, 06:16 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/20/andre-johnson-asks-the-texans-to-draft-a-wide-receiver/



This made me depressed. Dre is all class and the definition of a pro and this makes me feel like he is now pleading for help.

Maybe Im wrong but this makes me really despise Kubiak and Rick Smith even more.

I don't look at it like that at all. I think Andre is just repeating what the FO has been saying. I'm pretty sure some trouble-making reporter asked him if he thinks the Texans are looking to replace him with a first rounder. Maybe not as straight forward as that, but that's basically what they're asking.

The same thing they asked Steve Smith a few years ago, when he said he wasn't interested in being the number one guy, he was looking forward to helping the young guys & winning.

What Aj is doing, is keeping the locker room together.

Reporter: Looks like the Texans are going to draft a WR in the first, how does that make you feel?
Andre: I'm relieved, I've been asking for some help for a long time

kingtexan
04-21-2013, 06:24 PM
I'm pretty sure some trouble-making reporter asked him if he thinks the Texans are looking to replace him with a first rounder.

AJ is smart enough to know that his replacement doesn't exist in this draft. Best the Texans could hope for is to get him some help, but our passing game wont win us a SB, so hopefully we go BPA in the first no matter what position and don't reach for over-hyped need.

Texn4life
04-21-2013, 06:34 PM
AJ is smart enough to know that his replacement doesn't exist in this draft. Best the Texans could hope for is to get him some help, but our passing game wont win us a SB, so hopefully we go BPA in the first no matter what position and don't reach for over-hyped need.

I would normally agree with you, but I can't say that his replacement doesn't exist in this draft. A lot of #1 receivers have been drafted late first round or later in the league. If we identify a guy that we like at receiver that may not be there in the 2nd then we need to draft him. We're up the creek if something happens to Andre this year without getting more help.

steelbtexan
04-21-2013, 06:35 PM
it always amazes me how myopic some texans fans are. they expect an unrealistic 'perfect team' but if they actually looked around and studied what other teams do/have done, theyd see this regime is elite in terms of draft and free agency additions even if they is the odd mistake too.
cue some dumbass that 'doesn't settle' and has 'high standards in my own life' that expects no mistakes from the FO ;p

Lets set those expectations low so we wont be disappointed. LOL

This kind of thought process also aligns with the it is impossible to replace Gary. (What will happen to the offense) After 7 yrs when will fans realize that everybody is replaceable in life. Some more than others, Rick/Gary aren't in that category. IMHO

In 7 yrs Rick/Gary haven't found a suitable WR2. Think about that for a moment, 7 yrs. Their doing just a swell fantastic job. (Sarcasm////) I mean the owner had to force Rick/Gary to hire Wade, after yrs of near historical incompetence

Maddict5
04-21-2013, 07:00 PM
Lets set those expectations low so we wont be disappointed. LOL

This kind of thought process also aligns with the it is impossible to replace Gary. (What will happen to the offense) After 7 yrs when will fans realize that everybody is replaceable in life. Some more than others, Rick/Gary aren't in that category. IMHO

In 7 yrs Rick/Gary haven't found a suitable WR2. Think about that for a moment, 7 yrs. Their doing just a swell fantastic job. (Sarcasm////) I mean the owner had to force Rick/Gary to hire Wade, after yrs of near historical incompetence

lol so predictable..... (highlight the bottom of my post that you quoted) :user:

if you want to be unrealistic fine. become an nba coach and bench every player that ever misses a shot since you don't do 'low expectations' :rolleyes:

the Texans recent draft and FA record beats nearly anybodys. KW was an adequate #2 up until the last 2 years when he started slowing down. jacoby was supposed to be the heir then which he flashed occasionally. its not like they've been wasting a load of picks & FA money at the position... like belichick has done at corner and still hasn't much to show for it as a case in pt that even the best don't get it right all the time. time to expand the vision a bit maybe

Lurvinator11
04-21-2013, 07:16 PM
Steelers:
2003 -- Polamalu
2004 -- Roethlisberger
2005 -- Heath Miller
2006 -- Santonio Holmes

Steelers:
1969 -- Joe Greene
1970 -- Terry Bradshaw
1971 -- Frank Lewis but in the 2nd round, Jack Hamm
1972 -- Franco Harris
1973 -- JT Thomas (meh)
1974 -- Lynn Swann, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth, and Mike Webster

Cowboys:
1988 -- Michael Irvin
1989 -- Troy Aikman
1990 -- Emmitt Smith

Not saying these are better. Just saying these are some of the good 3-4+ years of drafting.

What's nice about this list while comparing it to the Texans, the three teams listed ended up winning multiple super bowls.

I know the optimism is really low around here, but I feel confident we will win two or three super bowls.

Just think. The optimism going into 2011 was somewhat low. We exceeded those expectations. Going into 2012, we had high hopes. We ended up getting disappointed. I bet we all get surprised next year.

ATXtexanfan
04-21-2013, 09:31 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/20/andre-johnson-asks-the-texans-to-draft-a-wide-receiver/



This made me depressed. Dre is all class and the definition of a pro and this makes me feel like he is now pleading for help.

Maybe Im wrong but this makes me really despise Kubiak and Rick Smith even more.

Lol I want to be the highest paid WR in the league. Hey I need some help. What ev. Can't have it both ways. Dont act like a team player now after you made all your money. Maybe we could afford a free agent WR if your cap number wasn't so feaking high dre. Or how bout you you say what we all know. We need a qb not a wr..........

Texn4life
04-21-2013, 09:44 PM
So now Andre Johnson isn't a team player? Man I tell ya...... You learn something new everyday I guess.

Norg
04-21-2013, 11:06 PM
its kinda true tho he wanted to be the highest paid WR in the AFC at least he should of been like u know what lets lower the number a bit so we can have more cap room money on other players that yall want

Texn4life
04-21-2013, 11:11 PM
its kinda true tho he wanted to be the highest paid WR in the AFC at least he should of been like u know what lets lower the number a bit so we can have more cap room money on other players that yall want

So I guess Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Adrian Peterson, or anyone else whose ever been the highest paid at their position or close to it isn't a team player either. Business is business...... These guys are smart to maximize their talent to set themselves up for the rest of their life. To say they're not team players is pretty funny. But to each his own.

ThaJokaa
04-22-2013, 12:34 AM
Lol I want to be the highest paid WR in the league. Hey I need some help. What ev. Can't have it both ways. Dont act like a team player now after you made all your money. Maybe we could afford a free agent WR if your cap number wasn't so feaking high dre. Or how bout you you say what we all know. We need a qb not a wr..........

Couldve got a #2 WR had they not OVERPAID Schuab, OVERPAID Smith

steelbtexan
04-22-2013, 12:44 AM
But.... But... the Texans FO is great.

Just look at some of the people on this MB.

Sign Schaub to a ridiculous contract coming off a major injury = this FO crapped the bed. But according to Maddict they are as good as the best FO in the NFL. LOL

Tell you what AJ, if you want an above avg WR2 then kick in a few $$$$.

steelbtexan
04-22-2013, 12:50 AM
lol so predictable..... (highlight the bottom of my post that you quoted) :user:

if you want to be unrealistic fine. become an nba coach and bench every player that ever misses a shot since you don't do 'low expectations' :rolleyes:

the Texans recent draft and FA record beats nearly anybodys. KW was an adequate #2 up until the last 2 years when he started slowing down. jacoby was supposed to be the heir then which he flashed occasionally. its not like they've been wasting a load of picks & FA money at the position... like belichick has done at corner and still hasn't much to show for it as a case in pt that even the best don't get it right all the time. time to expand the vision a bit maybe

KW as an adequate WR2 = LOL. With that said, the problem is that adequate seems to be fine with you.

The question I ask you is if Rick/Gary/Wade are as great at their jobs as you make them out to be, then why is it every time the Texans face a good/great team on national TV you can count on them crapping the bed? What has gone wrong?

Norg
04-22-2013, 01:16 AM
there will be a day when Schaub and Andre are both gone ...jus saying and that might be sooner rather then later bye 2016 at least depending on what they do

Maddict5
04-22-2013, 02:13 AM
But.... But... the Texans FO is great.

Just look at some of the people on this MB.

Sign Schaub to a ridiculous contract coming off a major injury = this FO crapped the bed. But according to Maddict they are as good as the best FO in the NFL. LOL

Tell you what AJ, if you want an above avg WR2 then kick in a few $$$$.

breaking news: nfl qbs are get big money. schaub's contract is pretty average compared to a lot of the qb deals being done. brees and flacco's contracts average ~20m per yr, schaubs is only 13m and has nowhere near the same garunteed money. the Texans can get out of the contract relatively cheaply after this year if he doesn't play better than he did last yr

so sorry that contract is not the huge backbreaker you're making it out to be.. so there goes the one piece of ammo you came back with. feel free to mention all the teasm that have better drafts and fa than the Texans. I wont be holding my breath as I can think of only about 3 teams that have matched the Texans performance over the last few yrs. there's a reason the Texans are widely regarded as having one of the most talented rosters in the lg :strangle:


KW as an adequate WR2 = LOL. With that said, the problem is that adequate seems to be fine with you.

The question I ask you is if Rick/Gary/Wade are as great at their jobs as you make them out to be, then why is it every time the Texans face a good/great team on national TV you can count on them crapping the bed? What has gone wrong?

a load of reasons- bad matchups v elite qbs, critical injuries, playing too much man coverage etc etc. nothing that really has anything to do with the point we're discussing Texans recent excellent drafts and FA acq's

deucetx
04-22-2013, 07:53 AM
Eh, didn't think much of this. He's just stating the obvious. The owner has said as such, Kubiak has said as such and now Dre. So nothing really out of the ordinary here. The team needs some playmakers at the receiver position. Nothing to look down on Dre for saying something that everyone within the organization and without believes. Now whether it will be a first round pick or not is certain since the draft is nothing but a crapshoot.

76Texan
04-22-2013, 08:50 AM
So I went back and looked at Belichik's record a little deeper.
You have to go back to 2002 when he drafted a "decent" receiver in Deon Branch.
Branch turns out to be the only receiver that amounts to much under BB.

That's some 19 years in all (with both the Patriots and the Browns).

One of the reason he got fired at Cleveland was a receiver named Derrick Alexander who managed 19 catches in his second season.
DA was a second round draft pick. The same year DA was drafted, BB also selected a back named Tommy Vardell who totaled some 59 or 69 yards in his first two years under BB. That has got to be a bust and another reason for BB's dismissal.

So yeah, that bar was set really low. :kitten:

leebigeztx
04-22-2013, 01:29 PM
I'm not the biggest schaub fan,but like my fellow draft man like to say,they got schaub for a song. His contract is very avg,17m g money and its basically a 2 yr deal counting this season. They can draft his replacement this year or next.

On to the wrs, the more I watch these guys,the more I think its going to be hunter or williams. I hear the chatter about hopkins,but his lack of ability to create a gap after coming out a cut kinda alarms me. He is a guy who plays with an nfl caliber qb. Patterson is a guy I wouldn't touch and have said as much many times. The good thing about the combine is if u see alarms,you go back to the tape. Patterson fights the ball and doesn't trust his ability. Also his inability to run a straight line while his hips are open is a concern. I could go on because no one is perfect,but from what I see in their ability and upside,I think its hunter or williams.

Dutchrudder
04-22-2013, 03:43 PM
I guess.... if you class the current all-pro and best LT in football, droty and top 3 ilb in the league, probowl-calibre cb (in 2012 anyway), current dpoty who probably just had 1 of the best seasons by a defensive player ever and a pass rusher coming off a promising rookie season as 'not busts'

just out of curiousity- can anybody show me a better 4 yr streak of prolific 1st rd drafting that the Texans had from 08-11?

best let them keep doing their thing and let aj keep doing his. wonder if the cards regret taking gm advice from fitz re kolb and Michael floyd

Just some comparables:

Baltimore 06-09: Ngata, Grubbs, Flacco and Oher with relatively late picks.

Colts 01-03: Wayne, Freeney and Clark were 3 nice ones in a row.

Chiefs 05-08: Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, Dwayne Bowe and Branden Albert ain't so bad. Sadly for the Chiefs, no QB to capitalize on the talent in KC.

Jets in 06-07: Dbrick, Revis and Mangold. These guys were a lot of the reason they made it to two AFCCs.

Giants 08-09: Kenny phillips, Hakeem Nicks, JPP.

49ers had a lot of good picks over the last 6-7 years. VD, Staley and Willis were over a 3 year span. Iupati, Davis and Aldon Smith were within 2 years. Lots of great drafts for that club, and you can see the results on the field.

I think it's pretty obvious that hitting on 1st round picks is essential to winning, but it's interesting to see the trend of contributors to Super Bowl teams.

The Pencil Neck
04-22-2013, 03:52 PM
Just some comparables:

Baltimore 06-09: Ngata, Grubbs, Flacco and Oher with relatively late picks.

Colts 01-03: Wayne, Freeney and Clark were 3 nice ones in a row.

Chiefs 05-08: Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, Dwayne Bowe and Branden Albert ain't so bad. Sadly for the Chiefs, no QB to capitalize on the talent in KC.

Jets in 06-07: Dbrick, Revis and Mangold. These guys were a lot of the reason they made it to two AFCCs.

Giants 08-09: Kenny phillips, Hakeem Nicks, JPP.

49ers had a lot of good picks over the last 6-7 years. VD, Staley and Willis were over a 3 year span. Iupati, Davis and Aldon Smith were within 2 years. Lots of great drafts for that club, and you can see the results on the field.

I think it's pretty obvious that hitting on 1st round picks is essential to winning, but it's interesting to see the trend of contributors to Super Bowl teams.

There were some other good stretches that I almost pulled up with my original response but he was asking for 1st rounds. The Niners' nonconsecutive drafts where they got Montana, Lott, Craig, and Rice was pretty epic.

RagingBull
04-22-2013, 04:53 PM
Steelers:
2003 -- Polamalu
2004 -- Roethlisberger
2005 -- Heath Miller
2006 -- Santonio Holmes

Steelers:
1969 -- Joe Greene
1970 -- Terry Bradshaw
1971 -- Frank Lewis but in the 2nd round, Jack Hamm
1972 -- Franco Harris
1973 -- JT Thomas (meh)
1974 -- Lynn Swann, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth, and Mike Webster

Cowboys:
1988 -- Michael Irvin
1989 -- Troy Aikman
1990 -- Emmitt Smith

Not saying these are better. Just saying these are some of the good 3-4+ years of drafting.

The big difference between these three lists and ours is that each of the above draft lists include a HOF QB (well maybe/maybe not on Rapeherberger), and unfortunately, ours does not...

The Pencil Neck
04-22-2013, 04:54 PM
The big difference between these three lists and ours is that each of the above draft lists include a HOF QB, and unfortunately, ours does not...

Not YET.

kingtexan
04-22-2013, 06:00 PM
Not YET.

:spit:

RagingBull
04-22-2013, 06:36 PM
Not YET.

So does that mean you think that we will draft a HOF QB this year? Cuz we never drafted Scwaubby, ATL did. If he wins the next 3 superbowls in a row, he would have to be considered right? But it still wouldn't affect our draft grade.

The Pencil Neck
04-22-2013, 11:41 PM
So does that mean you think that we will draft a HOF QB this year? Cuz we never drafted Scwaubby, ATL did. If he wins the next 3 superbowls in a row, he would have to be considered right? But it still wouldn't affect our draft grade.

I was just joking around (and I know where Schaub came from, btw). We might have already drafted our HOF QB (which would be Yates) or we might have gotten him as a UDFA (Keenum)... OR we might draft him this year.

Some people are mocking us drafting Schaub's replacement this year; although I expect us to draft Schaub's replacement next year when there's going to be a much better crop of QBs coming out.

So if we're going to draft an HOF QB, I expect us to do it next year.

b0ng
04-22-2013, 11:57 PM
Every WR in the draft has some sort of glaring red flag about him, and no matter how much you may like one specific guy, it seems like every one of them has a pretty big flaw. DeAndre Hopkins likes to pooh the bed (http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9187853/deandre-hopkins-mark-harrison-occupied-trashed-hotel-rooms-combine-sources-say). Keenan Allen ran a godawful time in the 40 and has a knee injury. Cordarrelle Patterson is a one year JUCO guy, Tavon Austin is short, it goes on and on and on. There are good WR's that can surely be had at #27 and #57 so I'm not going to freak out if they don't take a WR first, I just hope they at least get one early.

TheMatrix31
04-23-2013, 01:11 AM
Yeah let's ***** about the Texans front office. Cuz we suck or something.

El Tejano
04-23-2013, 07:46 AM
Every WR in the draft has some sort of glaring red flag about him, and no matter how much you may like one specific guy, it seems like every one of them has a pretty big flaw. DeAndre Hopkins likes to pooh the bed (http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9187853/deandre-hopkins-mark-harrison-occupied-trashed-hotel-rooms-combine-sources-say). Keenan Allen ran a godawful time in the 40 and has a knee injury. Cordarrelle Patterson is a one year JUCO guy, Tavon Austin is short, it goes on and on and on. There are good WR's that can surely be had at #27 and #57 so I'm not going to freak out if they don't take a WR first, I just hope they at least get one early.

That's why I like Marquis Goodwin from UT, and not because I'm a UT fan. I see world class speed and I see a guy who can contribute right away.

htownfan32
04-23-2013, 08:11 AM
That's why I like Marquis Goodwin from UT, and not because I'm a UT fan. I see world class speed and I see a guy who can contribute right away.

Too small/undersized to be anything other than a slot receiver IMHO, and we're not looking for slot receivers right now. Great track speed, sure, but that won't necessarily translate to being a good wideout.

HTown2ATX
04-23-2013, 09:41 AM
I'm not really that excited about any receivers coming out this year. I also kind of think the Texans may trade down to get more picks so, that's gonna suck if it happens for people showing up for the draft party.

Also, no point in bitching about Schuab....he is starting what a 4 year contract this season so you know he is here for min. of 2 years and no QB's in the draft nor free agents really excite me.

Plus you know, Kubes loves those draws on critical downs anyway it seems so we should just re-sign KW as he is a great blocker for that 3rd and 6 Kubiak is not going to throw on.... :/

fap fap fap

rush2112mn
04-23-2013, 09:55 AM
Its about time they did pick a wide reciever with first pick...hell...they should have done it years ago.
Its way overdue.
They need to use their top 2 of their top 3 picks for wide receiver.
Posey may not make it back ever......you dont know the extent of that injury.........

Dre deserves this....give the man what he wants......
Dre is not going to around forever.....He is the master and he needs a apprentice (star wars reference)

If we dont do this.....we will regret it. Get it done Rick Smith, Kubiak....

Wade got his picks the last two years....

Now its time to retool the offense.....

Get ur done.....

kingtexan
04-23-2013, 10:03 AM
Its about time they did pick a wide reciever with first pick...hell...they should have done it years ago.
Its way overdue.
They need to use their top 2 of their top 3 picks for wide receiver.


Yeah, lets just use the 1st round pick on a WR whether there is a WR that deserves that pick or not. Heck, lets just pick a WR with every pick this year. Pay no attention to any of our other needs, and that even if we had AJ, Megatron, and Fitz, we still have an average QB at best who would struggle getting them the ball.

ubecool454
04-23-2013, 10:23 AM
He got two of them last year, and he got his safety buddy from the U this year.
That's enough.

His safety buddy isn't going to help when he gets double coverage everytime he is on the field. I like Justin Hunter WR from Tennessee and he might be around in the second round. If not him I like Terrance Williams WR from Baylor. Both of these guys should still be around in the second round. If Cordelle Patterson from Tennessee is still around in the fourth or fifth I would take him too even though he is kind of raw.

76Texan
04-23-2013, 11:53 AM
I bet a lot of folks don't like the idea, but I say trade our first rounder to a crummy team for future draft picks.

The only way you can get a replacement for A J is by packaging some picks to move up next year to grab a bona fide number one receiver (there will be at least 3 candidates.)

Use the second or third round pick on a number two and another position of choice.

Use a mid to late round pick (4th rounder probably) on a plodding two-down NT to rotate with Mitchell.

Rey
04-23-2013, 11:56 AM
I bet a lot of folks don't like the idea, but I say trade our first rounder to a crummy team for future draft picks.

The only way you can get a replacement for A J is by packaging some picks to move up next year to grab a bona fide number one receiver (there will be at least 3 candidates.)

Use the second or third round pick on a number two and another position of choice.

Use a mid to late round pick (4th rounder probably) on a plodding two-down NT to rotate with Mitchell.

I'd rather move up for an eventual Schaub replacement rather than a WR.

steelbtexan
04-23-2013, 12:20 PM
breaking news: nfl qbs are get big money. schaub's contract is pretty average compared to a lot of the qb deals being done. brees and flacco's contracts average ~20m per yr, schaubs is only 13m and has nowhere near the same garunteed money. the Texans can get out of the contract relatively cheaply after this year if he doesn't play better than he did last yr

so sorry that contract is not the huge backbreaker you're making it out to be.. so there goes the one piece of ammo you came back with. feel free to mention all the teasm that have better drafts and fa than the Texans. I wont be holding my breath as I can think of only about 3 teams that have matched the Texans performance over the last few yrs. there's a reason the Texans are widely regarded as having one of the most talented rosters in the lg :strangle: {Qoute ////}

1. You do know that Schaubs contract spead the bonus $$$ out at 3.5 mil per yr until 2016. So even if Schaub plays this yr and Rick cuts him, the Texans will still be on the hook for 10.5 mil in bonus $$$$ and still need to re-sign Cushing and Watt the next 2 yrs. Seems like a pretty stupid way to set up a contract if you ask me. You should do a little research before you start believing everything you read in the media. Check out Spotrac.com to see the reported figures on Schaub's contract.

49ers/Seahawks/Packers/Atlanta and debateable Steelers/Ravens/Bengals/Colts

All of these teams except the Steelers have set themselves up to be in better cap situations than the Texans.

Over the last 3 drafts can you tell me how many true impact players Rick/Gary/Wade have selected?




a load of reasons- bad matchups v elite qbs, critical injuries, playing too much man coverage etc etc. nothing that really has anything to do with the point we're discussing Texans recent excellent drafts and FA acq's

Excuses, and you still haven't addressed that fact that after all of these yrs Rick/Gary still haven't been able to find a suitable WR2?

76Texan
04-23-2013, 12:22 PM
I'd rather move up for an eventual Schaub replacement rather than a WR.

Make your choice then; ie. next year.
You will need to move up to do either.

rush2112mn
04-23-2013, 03:05 PM
Yeah, lets just use the 1st round pick on a WR whether there is a WR that deserves that pick or not. Heck, lets just pick a WR with every pick this year. Pay no attention to any of our other needs, and that even if we had AJ, Megatron, and Fitz, we still have an average QB at best who would struggle getting them the ball.

It is a need....just saying they need to address it this year...it is more glaring need than in the past....but we should have addressed it years ago in my opinion but we keep putting it off.

I was expecting Lestar Jean to do something and Martin too....and then there was Jacoby Jones and we know what happened there.

I can understand we have other needs as well....but when Dre says something....people listen.......and fans too......just saying.

Maddict5
04-23-2013, 07:11 PM
1. You do know that Schaubs contract spead the bonus $$$ out at 3.5 mil per yr until 2016. So even if Schaub plays this yr and Rick cuts him, the Texans will still be on the hook for 10.5 mil in bonus $$$$ and still need to re-sign Cushing and Watt the next 2 yrs. Seems like a pretty stupid way to set up a contract if you ask me. You should do a little research before you start believing everything you read in the media. Check out Spotrac.com to see the reported figures on Schaub's contract.

49ers/Seahawks/Packers/Atlanta and debateable Steelers/Ravens/Bengals/Colts

All of these teams except the Steelers have set themselves up to be in better cap situations than the Texans.

Over the last 3 drafts can you tell me how many true impact players Rick/Gary/Wade have selected?


Excuses, and you still haven't addressed that fact that after all of these yrs Rick/Gary still haven't been able to find a suitable WR2?

this is my last post because frankly im not finding this all that stimulating but for education purposes:

-I know cap numbers. IF you were as knowledgeable as you're letting on you'd know 10.5m means hes cuttable/tradeable if we find somebody better esp considering we'd save at least 4m on his cap hit (more if a june 1st designation) & his replacement is likely to have a relatively tiny rookie contract. compare that to other recent contracts like flacco (who schaubs level of play was comparable to before his injury and subsequent swoon). if flacco suffers a fall in performance and ravens have to cut/trade him 2 yrs into his new contract, the cap hit would be nearly double that

-even accepting the teams you've listed as having done as good/better a job over the last few yrs as the Texans (and I don't. in fact I think its downright laughable to compare the steelers, ravens and colts to what the Texans have done. seriously go back and compare) its arguable that they're somewhere in the top 5-7 teams in the lg. the only reason those teams are in better cap shape is that they've found the holy grail in nfl terms- a high performing qb on a rookie contract (sea, sf, colts & even the bengals) or they've had to recently purge themselves of their rosters and start over (colts, ravens). plus Atlanta & GB are in a similar situation as the Texans & are going to be giving out massive qb contracts shortly

-why a random number like three yrs? esp considering it takes a few yrs for players to establish their true level of play. but anyway just to satisfy your nonsensical criteria: how about Justin james watt- big guy, 6'5, nfl dpoty, blond hair, arguably single greatest season by a d-lineman ever, from wisconson. they took him the only time they came close to having a top 10 pick (you know.... where a team is most likely to find an impact player).

ive a better question though look at the picks the Texans have made, since rick smith was a dumbass and didn't take impact players like Andrew luck, cam newton etc :rolleyes: go back and look at their picks and try to find better picks they should've made. its pretty hard... there's usually busts and underachievers littered above and below the Texans pick yet the Texans always seem to end up with a good/great player (2007 obviously was the exception). that tells me that they must be doing something right

I think you'll find I did address that fact- they found kevin walter who was basically an untried unknown when he got here and who was an adequate #2 wr for a good portion of his time here They had lukewarm patches of success from jacoby. I think you'll also find I addressed the 'perfect team' complex some fans like yourself have and noted that many team have spent much draft resources on positions and are still looking for answers at the positions eg belichick- cb's & wrs

steelbtexan
04-23-2013, 10:30 PM
this is my last post because frankly im not finding this all that stimulating but for education purposes:

-I know cap numbers. IF you were as knowledgeable as you're letting on you'd know 10.5m means hes cuttable/tradeable if we find somebody better esp considering we'd save at least 4m on his cap hit (more if a june 1st designation) & his replacement is likely to have a relatively tiny rookie contract. compare that to other recent contracts like flacco (who schaubs level of play was comparable to before his injury and subsequent swoon). if flacco suffers a fall in performance and ravens have to cut/trade him 2 yrs into his new contract, the cap hit would be nearly double that

-even accepting the teams you've listed as having done as good/better a job over the last few yrs as the Texans (and I don't. in fact I think its downright laughable to compare the steelers, ravens and colts to what the Texans have done. seriously go back and compare) its arguable that they're somewhere in the top 5-7 teams in the lg. the only reason those teams are in better cap shape is that they've found the holy grail in nfl terms- a high performing qb on a rookie contract (sea, sf, colts & even the bengals) or they've had to recently purge themselves of their rosters and start over (colts, ravens). plus Atlanta & GB are in a similar situation as the Texans & are going to be giving out massive qb contracts shortly

-why a random number like three yrs? esp considering it takes a few yrs for players to establish their true level of play. but anyway just to satisfy your nonsensical criteria: how about Justin james watt- big guy, 6'5, nfl dpoty, blond hair, arguably single greatest season by a d-lineman ever, from wisconson. they took him the only time they came close to having a top 10 pick (you know.... where a team is most likely to find an impact player).

ive a better question though look at the picks the Texans have made, since rick smith was a dumbass and didn't take impact players like Andrew luck, cam newton etc :rolleyes: go back and look at their picks and try to find better picks they should've made. its pretty hard... there's usually busts and underachievers littered above and below the Texans pick yet the Texans always seem to end up with a good/great player (2007 obviously was the exception). that tells me that they must be doing something right

I think you'll find I did address that fact- they found kevin walter who was basically an untried unknown when he got here and who was an adequate #2 wr for a good portion of his time here They had lukewarm patches of success from jacoby. I think you'll also find I addressed the 'perfect team' complex some fans like yourself have and noted that many team have spent much draft resources on positions and are still looking for answers at the positions eg belichick- cb's & wrs


Schaub = wasted $$$$ on damaged goods and they should've waited kinda like the Ravens did with Flacco.

Isn't Flacco on the books for alot of $$$$ but they still have plenty of cap room. The Seahawks signed Flynn to a nice sized contract and the 49ers had the huge #1 Alex Smith contract. I believe that Rodgers sign a fairly big contract and in will be getting a another huge contract soon. They also saved the $$$$ to reup Clay Matthews.

Watt is a HOF player no doubt, name another impact player at any position other than Cushing in any of Ricks drafts? Brown was Gibbs handpicked guy. With that said I look for GM's that can draft true impact players outside of the 1st rd and hit on their 1st rd draft picks more than every 2 or 3 yrs. Maybe I expect too much or maybe your expectations are too low. Guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

I dont feel like going back and doing mental gymastics, but the names Willis/Revis/Matthews (Who I wanted over Cushing) McCourty etc..... I would've picked Stephen Hill (I went back and forth on hill before last yrs draft.) over Mercilus for example and drafted a pass rusher like Vinny Curry in rd 2. They gambled on trading down and taking Posey and came up snake eyes. I really dont blame Rick for this but Posey has/had nowhere near the upside that Hill has. See I can admit that I'm not perfect.

Even though Walter is/was Gary's boy that still doesn't make him an acceptable WR2. IMHO and it also must be the opinion of BoB/AJ.

Lets just say we've got different visions of what the Texans should/could be and move on. Sorry if I'm a win at all costs guy. That's why they keep score. IMHO

I also dont think Rick/Gary/Wade have done a terrible job. Especially since Wade has helped Rick with the defensive picks. But they aren't in the upper echelon of FO's in the NFL. IMHO

Texn4life
04-23-2013, 11:23 PM
Another thread derailed by Schaub debate. Go figure....

Norg
04-23-2013, 11:35 PM
our fist pick .....I would like to ..trade back and get two number 2 picks ....

steelbtexan
04-23-2013, 11:59 PM
Another thread derailed by Schaub debate. Go figure....

Didn't mean to derail the thread. I want a WR2 in the 2nd rd. Who do you like?

My favorites
1. Rodgers
2. Hunter
3. Swope
4. Dobson

Texn4life
04-24-2013, 12:16 AM
Didn't mean to derail the thread. I want a WR2 in the 2nd rd. Who do you like?

My favorites
1. Rodgers
2. Hunter
3. Swope
4. Dobson

To be honest I actually like Robert Woods where we pick. The USC receiver curse does kind of scare me some, but this guy was a preseason Heisman candidate before injuries and Lee happened to him his senior year. I don't know if there's a more polished receiver in the group in my opinion. He would be able to come in and contribute day 1 coming from that pro style system.

revan
04-24-2013, 02:05 AM
Didn't mean to derail the thread. I want a WR2 in the 2nd rd. Who do you like?

My favorites
1. Rodgers
2. Hunter
3. Swope
4. Dobson

My favorites
1st round
1.DeAndre Hopkins
2. Keenan Allen if he is there when we pick
Other than that get Kevin Minter ILB, LSU

2nd round
1. Robert Woods
2. Quinton Patton
3. Terrance Williams
4. DaRick Rogers
5. Justin Hunter

kingtexan
04-24-2013, 08:57 AM
Another thread derailed by Schaub debate. Go figure....

Not really. When considering using a high pick on a WR, you have to be sure what you have at QB. No use purchasing that nice shiny new goose-neck trailer, if the only vehicle you have is a Vespa.

infantrycak
04-24-2013, 09:05 AM
Not really. When considering using a high pick on a WR, you have to be sure what you have at QB. No use purchasing that nice shiny new goose-neck trailer, if the only vehicle you have is a Vespa.

AJ's performance with Schaub shows that is not an issue which needs to be brought up every time WR's are discussed.

EVOLVIST
04-24-2013, 09:05 AM
Didn't mean to derail the thread. I want a WR2 in the 2nd rd. Who do you like?

My favorites
1. Rodgers
2. Hunter
3. Swope
4. Dobson

Da'Rick Rogers by far, because I Do think he's a day-1 contributor. You get that kid around AJ and things start falling into place on and off the field very quickly.

I don't see Terrance Williams on your list, but I'd take him over Hunter and Swopes. Don't think too much of Dobson.

Derail away! I mean, hell, the draft is almost here, and us draftnicks have to hook our way in any way we can. :wild:

kingtexan
04-24-2013, 09:23 AM
AJ's performance with Schaub shows that is not an issue which needs to be brought up every time WR's are discussed.

I don't think the talent of AJ is available in this draft, and feel that his talent contributes more to his numbers than the talent of our QB. In fact some have said that if he were playing with a different QB his numbers would be unmatched to this point in his career. Of course not having another serious threat across the field hasn't helped either one of them. Matt targets AJ way too much in situations that AJ isn't open because the D knows he is going to AJ. Catch 22 I guess.

GP
04-24-2013, 10:13 AM
Not really. When considering using a high pick on a WR, you have to be sure what you have at QB. No use purchasing that nice shiny new goose-neck trailer, if the only vehicle you have is a Vespa.

Exactly.

Stats Geeks love him, though. Pleasantly predictable, reliable production...until the wheels fall off at all the wrong times.

infantrycak
04-24-2013, 11:23 AM
I am not going to argue about Schaub any more in this thread. Please note the title of the thread - it isn't Dre asking for a new QB.

Blake
04-24-2013, 11:53 AM
I guess you answer when asked, but Dre doesnt need to focus on something he cant control. I dont believe that Rick Smith calculates Dre's desires into the Texans draft decisions. If he really wants a #2 WR so badly he can take a pay cut and take one for the team. Litteraly.

ArlingtonTexan
04-24-2013, 03:44 PM
Lots I can't see pass my hatred of schuab thinking in this thread. of course, you get better weapons for the QB POSITION. Nothing makes average to okay player look better than people who can do lots of his job for him...i.e. get wide the hell open, catch the ball ,a nd run after the catch.

More importantly, let's assume that Schuab lives down to your expection and gets cut in the next year or two. The texans competing with some other team for whatever free agent Qb who happens to hit the market. the money is close enough. that guys start to look at what he has around him to work with. A truly aging Andre and Owen, foster with a couple more years of carries on his legs, and still hoping on leStar jean for the fourth year in a row. dude goes somewhere else because they got something work with and you will turn to how "Rick Smith sucks" all the time posting.

You upgrade WR for your football team, not for Matt Schuab.

thunderkyss
04-24-2013, 05:16 PM
I guess you answer when asked, but Dre doesnt need to focus on something he cant control. I dont believe that Rick Smith calculates Dre's desires into the Texans draft decisions. If he really wants a #2 WR so badly he can take a pay cut and take one for the team. Litteraly.

Look up. Higher..

higher. That little speck you see way up there, that's 'caks point.

Norg
04-24-2013, 08:22 PM
I expect we draft a Monster TE before we draft a WR jus saying

Insideop
04-24-2013, 09:53 PM
I expect we draft a Monster TE before we draft a WR jus saying

Wouldn't bother me if they drafted Eifert in the 1st.

b0ng
04-25-2013, 08:19 AM
I guess you answer when asked, but Dre doesnt need to focus on something he cant control. I dont believe that Rick Smith calculates Dre's desires into the Texans draft decisions. If he really wants a #2 WR so badly he can take a pay cut and take one for the team. Litteraly.

Draft picks are relatively cheap now, I'm not sure why Dre would have to take a pay cut in order to draft a WR http://i.imgur.com/DmZInxS.gif

Blake
04-25-2013, 08:52 AM
Draft picks are relatively cheap now, I'm not sure why Dre would have to take a pay cut in order to draft a WR http://i.imgur.com/DmZInxS.gif

Sorry, wasnt clear on this. I meant if he wants a legit #2 in vet free agent form then take the pay cut. I am just not a big believer in rookie WR's, unless they are studs that usually go in the top 10. Generally speaking they are raw and either dont know how to run good routes, or have poor hands in NFL standards, or havent ever been asked to block.

infantrycak
04-25-2013, 09:15 AM
Sorry, wasnt clear on this. I meant if he wants a legit #2 in vet free agent form then take the pay cut. I am just not a big believer in rookie WR's, unless they are studs that usually go in the top 10. Generally speaking they are raw and either dont know how to run good routes, or have poor hands in NFL standards, or havent ever been asked to block.

Give me a few examples of top players who took an actual pay cut, not a restructure to still get as much or more money but push the cap hit into future years.

Blake
04-25-2013, 02:03 PM
Give me a few examples of top players who took an actual pay cut, not a restructure to still get as much or more money but push the cap hit into future years.

Cak, I am not actually expecting him to take a pay cut. But I feel like we are getting lost on my position which is that if Dre seriously wants a #2 WR then they need to go get a vet, because I dont believe any of these rookies especially those available around 27 will be actual #2 caliber receivers.

The only way to afford a vet, #2 caliber receiver is if cap space is freed up somewhere.

infantrycak
04-25-2013, 02:16 PM
Cak, I am not actually expecting him to take a pay cut. But I feel like we are getting lost on my position which is that if Dre seriously wants a #2 WR then they need to go get a vet, because I dont believe any of these rookies especially those available around 27 will be actual #2 caliber receivers.

The only way to afford a vet, #2 caliber receiver is if cap space is freed up somewhere.

I am not completely in disagreement with your point about a vet although I haven't reviewed who is available which makes a difference. But there have been a bunch of people implying AJ is somehow being selfish. Fact is I am sure AJ would be more than willing to restructure if asked - basically every player would because it puts more money in their pocket now.

kingtexan
04-25-2013, 02:35 PM
AJ isn't selfish, and I doubt he really even "asked" for another receiver to be drafted in the first round. He responded to a question from a reporter and it was blown out of proportion as usual. Especially when McClain is involved. AJ just wants to win I am sure.

Norg
04-25-2013, 03:10 PM
actually lookin at the numbers last year andre is actually made less then a lot of guys in the NFL

Sidney rice
Larry Fitz
Aquan boldin
Jennings
wes welker
heyward bay

Calvin Johnson and V jackon are making MONSTER NUMBERS