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beerlover
04-06-2013, 02:05 PM
First Round: Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia 6024 242

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Plays off instincts, elite closing speed/range for position. Relieves some pressure off Cushing returning off season ending injury while also providing player with potential to groom. Position with little depth on roster, so this fills a huge hole. Shows positive trendline throughout career as Bulldog finishing with 111 tackles 11.5 of which where for loss, 3 sacks, 5 QB hurries & 5 passes defended. Three down LB who can cover TE's & RB's must learn gap responsibilities.

Second Round: Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor 6020 208
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Frame, Core strength & speed to stretch field. Gives Schaub a viable weapon to target, willing blocker & was highly productive with & without Robert Griffin III. True senior, 97 receptions 1832 yards & 12 TD's in 2012. In 2011 he was just not targeted by Robert because Kendall Wright was his #1 option still his yards per catch were higher than Kendall (16.22 vs 15.44) while still snagging 59 receptions for 957 yards & 11 TD's.

Third Round: Chase Thomas, OLB, Stanford, 6032 244
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Smart well coached player who fits best standing up, rushing passer or sealing edge & tracking the ball carrier down. Same short shuttle time 4.31 as another player considered Sio Moore. 7.5 sacks, 15.5 tackles for loss, 71 tackle total for 2012. He should be able to back-up either Reed or Mercilus as they back-fill to replace Connor Barwin.


Third Round: (compensatory Mario Williams) Jordan Mills, OT, Louisiana Tech, 6050 316
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Athletic swing tackle possessing excellent feet. Developmental talent but enough upside to start within a couple years, would see rotational duty while providing insurance behind Newton (recovering from injury) with ability to back-up Brown. Butler/Harris remain a free agents w/Gardner as only back-up. Plays with good base & mirror in pass pro. Versatile, has played both left & right tackle positions, could even work into LG.

Fourth Round: Lavar Edwards, DE/DT, LSU, 6036 277

Excellent run defender. 5 tech DE who may evolve into a Jay Ratliff type of pentrating nose (similar rangy frame). Has excellent frame to work with, extremly long arms 35 1/2" overshadowed behind Mingo, Montogomery & Logan. 1.7 10 yard split showcasing first step explosiveness, good straight line speed 4.7 forty pro-day http://videos.nola.com/times-picayune/2013/03/lsus_lavar_edwards_was_thrille.html Insurance to protect Watt/Smith along with Crick plus uncertainty surrounding Jamison coming off season ending injury.

Fifth Round: Kayvon Webster, CB/SS, South Florida, 5-10 1/2" 195
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Physical run defender with some ball skills & surprising deep speed to cover bigger/faster receivers. Will press & engage line of scrimmage, ability to flip hips, redirect & shawdow both underneath & over the top. Similar talent to recently departed Glover Quin, less strength but makes up for it with better speed/range. Could be used a lot in nickle/dime packages, special teams & as developmental safety prospect to Ed Reed & Daniel Manning.

Sixth Round: Corey Fuller, WR, Virginia Tech, 6-2 197

Second receiver selected, to cover bases, who can move well in space & pretty developed in blocking scheme to help replace Walter. Willing to play similar role not a big production guy but can hurt you or beat teams deep. Has good speed, former Kansas track athlete and Nike indoor track All-American who transferred to Virginia Tech after his sophomore year. Caught 43 passes for 815 yards and six touchdowns last season, impressed me mostly from East-West Shrine all-star game as later round guy worth taking shot on.


[B]Sixth Round: (compensatory) Keith Pough, ILB, Howard, 6016 241

Core special teams player while improving depth @ position. Excellent work ethic & character traits, leader on the field. Willing teammate with high motor passion for the game. With this group Texans fans will never have to endure weakness up the middle like experienced last season after Cushing went down. Will also really help special teams another area of concern on kick coverage. Will be a difficult cut & probably make the 53 man roster. MEAC Defensive Player of the year, & all time FCS leader in tackles. Another gem exposed during East West Shrine practices & game.

Seventh Round: Chris Jones, NT, Bowling Green, 6-1 7/8" 301

Ran his forty a respectable 5.10 pro day with 31" vert. First-Team All Mac and earning MAC Defensive Player of the Year in 2012 with 42 tackles, 12.5 sacks, and 19 tackles for loss. He fits Texans current scheme for position & solidifies some quality depth behind Mitchell. Stout, high-effort interior lineman who also flashes good short area quickness. Brings power out of his stance and an explosive punch into a blockerís chest when man-up. Constantly has a leverage advantage with his low center of gravity, and possesses the quickness and hustle to move his feet to win a gap or bull his man towards the quarterback on pass plays. Spins off blocks or uses an arm-over move to reach the quarterback. Gives effort to the sideline when the ball is on his half of the field. Works at the five-technique at times, crashes inside adeptly and plays his containment responsibilities well.

BL :wesmantexanfan:

badboy
04-06-2013, 04:17 PM
Great first three and you know I am a TWill fan, hope he hangs around to 57.

AnthonyE
04-06-2013, 04:34 PM
Hey beerlover, I'm no draft guy so I thought I'd ask you:

What do you think about Brandon Kaufman, WR, in the late rounds?

Oh, and I love your mock. I absolutely love TW in the second round.

beerlover
04-06-2013, 04:51 PM
Hey beerlover, I'm no draft guy so I thought I'd ask you:

What do you think about Brandon Kaufman, WR, in the late rounds?

Oh, and I love your mock. I absolutely love TW in the second round.

Doesn't he play for Eastern Washington, 6-5 210-220? Haven't seen film on him, great measurable & good late round shot if he has some speed. That's why I went with Corey, plus he has experience in scheme & understands blocking assignments. Thanks for your feedback, much appreciated!

beerlover
04-06-2013, 04:54 PM
Great first three and you know I am a TWill fan, hope he hangs around to 57.

Thanks BB. Making the tough decision & addressing ILB with elite talent early in the process helps rest flow more effortlessly.

mussop
04-06-2013, 04:57 PM
Doesn't he play for Eastern Washington, 6-5 210-220? Haven't seen film on him, great measurable & good late round shot if he has some speed. That's why I went with Corey, plus he has experience in scheme & understands blocking assignments. Thanks for your feedback, much appreciated!

Film is incredible. Guy makes circus catches regularly. Would make a great red zone threat. Just don't know about his ability to separate at the NFL level. Don't remember his 40 time but it was very disappointing.

cj5776
04-06-2013, 07:06 PM
My gut tells me they are taking a TE, anyone on your radar?

beerlover
04-06-2013, 07:33 PM
My gut tells me they are taking a TE, anyone on your radar?

Next year. This year they seem set with Owen Daniels, Garrett Graham & Phillip Supernaw. Recently just inked the 6-5 250 LB Supernaw could be a real surprise (least I hope).

Number19
04-06-2013, 07:47 PM
I like the #1 & #2 picks. I just don't expect Ogletree and Williams to be there for us.

beerlover
04-06-2013, 09:11 PM
I like the #1 & #2 picks. I just don't expect Ogletree and Williams to be there for us.

You may be right. I've grappled with dynamics of our situation since well before inevitable end last season. Texans need infusion of speed, both sides, more athletic playmakers & in process do it with younger, cheaper options.

badboy
04-06-2013, 09:19 PM
Next year. This year they seem set with Owen Daniels, Garrett Graham & Phillip Supernaw. Recently just inked the 6-5 250 LB Supernaw could be a real surprise (least I hope).Agree, may take a late round blocking TE with soft hands but no move to replace OD this draft. Lets hope Supernaw is good.

badboy
04-06-2013, 09:21 PM
I like the #1 & #2 picks. I just don't expect Ogletree and Williams to be there for us.I agree TWill will be gone in second but Ogie ranked #38 so could be there.

beerlover
04-06-2013, 10:49 PM
I agree TWill will be gone in second but Ogie ranked #38 so could be there.

Terrance is on the board until 3rd rd & 17th selection in our own TT GM mock draft, not that is hard science or fact but one would think its not that out of question. IMO

Hottoddie
04-07-2013, 04:10 AM
First Round: Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia 6024 242

I doubt he drops to us, but if he does you have to take him.

Second Round: Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor 6020 208

I was high on him for a while, but have cooled off lately due to a lack of toughness to fight for the extra yard & a concern that he could become a distraction when he doesn't get the ball enough. However, that could be a part of his competitive fire. I also don't think he'll fall all the way to our late 2nd round pick. But if he does, you have to take a serious look at him.

Third Round: Chase Thomas, OLB, Stanford, 6032 244

Nice pick here, but I believe he will also be gone before our late 3rd round pick.

Third Round: (compensatory Mario Williams) Jordan Mills, OT, Louisiana Tech, 6050 316

I've had Mills on my board from the beginning, but lately I've been seeing him projected to be taken in the late 2nd or early 3rd. If he's there, we've found our starting RT for many years to come.

Fourth Round: Lavar Edwards, DE/DT, LSU, 6036 277

I'm not familiar with this guy, but he sounds intriguing.

Fifth Round: Kayvon Webster, CB/SS, South Florida, 5-10 1/2" 195

Interesting prospect, but I've been leaning towards Robert Lester in the 4th. His numbers have fallen off, but he's still a ballhawk & has 3 years of training under Saban.

Sixth Round: Corey Fuller, WR, Virginia Tech, 6-2 197


Picking up another WR is a good idea, but I'd rather make a run at the other Virginia Tech WR (Marcus Davis). He's not as fast & doesn't always play up to his potential, but he's bigger & there's just something about him that makes me think he's going to be a really good WR one day. He kind of makes me think of Marques Colston.

Sixth Round: (compensatory) Keith Pough, ILB, Howard, 6016 241

Nice pick.

Seventh Round: Chris Jones, NT, Bowling Green, 6-1 7/8" 301


I'm not familiar with this young man.

Nice draft if the cards fall right for us. However, I think Rick's going to need the world's largest rabbit's foot for the first 4 picks to fall to us. If there's a run on QB's in the first, who knows, Ogletree could be there for us. Appreciate your work.

greekdbag
04-07-2013, 04:20 AM
I would take this draft in a heartbeat. Good stuff.

WolverineFan
04-07-2013, 09:51 AM
Next year. This year they seem set with Owen Daniels, Garrett Graham & Phillip Supernaw. Recently just inked the 6-5 250 LB Supernaw could be a real surprise (least I hope).

This is a deceptively good year for TE. I hope we take one.

IDEXAN
04-07-2013, 10:24 AM
No way the Texans go ILB with their first rounder, they won't pick a player for that position any higher than the third round. And I'm confidant they are much more likely do take a safety in the first 2 rounds than an ILB.

beerlover
04-07-2013, 10:25 AM
No way the Texans go ILB with their first rounder, they won't pick a player for that position any higher than the third round.

Cushing doesn't count?

beerlover
04-07-2013, 10:28 AM
This is a deceptively good year for TE. I hope we take one.

I was about to until they signed Supernaw. Just IMO they target one next year like C.J. Fiedorowicz, Iowa.

Lucky
04-07-2013, 10:58 AM
Beerlover, is this the mock you would draft as Texan GM, or do you believe the Texans would execute this draft?

Agree, may take a late round blocking TE with soft hands but no move to replace OD this draft. Lets hope Supernaw is good.
Supernaw would be the blocking TE. He's an 2012 UDFA practice squader who is not a lock to make the team. I think they will take a move TE to replace Casey, at some point in the draft.

IDEXAN
04-07-2013, 11:29 AM
Cushing doesn't count?
That's kinda the point, they've already have a first-rounder who's under contract and financed with first-round money under the previous, higher CBA cap. I seriously doubt they will expend a second first round pick on another 3-4 ILB, especially since he won't be on the field in passing or nickel situations. The guy from Stanford you chose with the a third-round pick might very well have the versatility to play along side Cushing in rushing scenarios ?
Lets be smart here as Kubiak says and use our top 2 picks on more important positions like WR and RT, or perhaps even safety.

Lucky
04-07-2013, 11:34 AM
Lets be smart here as Kubiak says...
No, Kubiak would say "Kids, let's be smart here."

beerlover
04-07-2013, 11:41 AM
That's kinda the point, they've already have a first-rounder who's under contract and financed with first-round money under the previous, higher CBA cap. I seriously doubt they will expend a second first round pick on another 3-4 ILB, especially since he won't be on the field in passing or nickel situations. The guy from Stanford you chose with the a third-round pick might very well have the versatility to play along side Cushing in rushing scenarios ?
Lets be smart here as Kubiak says and use our top 2 picks on more important positions like WR and RT, or perhaps even safety.

There wasn't a significant drop off after Cushing went out for the season?

Cushing is coming off that ACL & in a contract year. I would call both questions as important ones & that's not even touching who will or should line up next to him.

Beg differ also with your presumption Ogletree comes out in 3rd down situations far from it. He can cover sideline to sidling, slant, post whatever underneath route you can ask or become a pass rusher in blitz packages.

Yeah, I could see Chase kick inside. This draft would address LB core top to bottom which needs to be addresses in a big way, IMO.

Nawzer
04-07-2013, 12:24 PM
Although I don't know any of these guys, I liked how your mock draft addressed areas of need. I know the philosophy should be to draft the BPA, but we have way too many holes and we need infusion of new talent in those areas.

IDEXAN
04-07-2013, 12:40 PM
Cushing is coming off that ACL & in a contract year. I would call both questions as important ones & that's not even touching who will or should line up next to him.

I know the Texans always say they want to resign their FA guys, just like they said that this year about Barwin & Quin even though they really didn't make much of an effort to keep either guy. But I believe they really, really want to resign Cushing, subject of course to his recovery which they won't know about until well after this months Draft. I believe that the owner & Kubiak both consider Cushing is an extraordinary player and onfield leader who they want to remain in Houston the rest of his career. I might be wrong, but that's my impression ?

Beg differ also with your presumption Ogletree comes out in 3rd down situations far from it. He can cover sideline to sidling, slant, post whatever underneath route you can ask or become a pass rusher in blitz packages.

There's room for only Cushing and only an Ogletree in Wades defense on an every down basis, and until they resolve the uncertainty and situation with Cushing I alluded to, I don't think they'll bring in a second every down ILB, and certainly not at the expense of using a first round pick.

mussop
04-07-2013, 01:07 PM
I seriously doubt they will expend a second first round pick on another 3-4 ILB, especially since he won't be on the field in passing or nickel situations.

This is quickly becoming a big pet peeve of mine.

steelbtexan
04-07-2013, 01:09 PM
Love your mock.

Like Corrosions TT Mock Draft better.

Lucky
04-07-2013, 01:37 PM
I believe that the owner & Kubiak both consider Cushing is an extraordinary player and onfield leader who they want to remain in Houston the rest of his career. I might be wrong, but that's my impression ?

There's room for only Cushing and only an Ogletree in Wades defense on an every down basis, and until they resolve the uncertainty and situation with Cushing I alluded to, I don't think they'll bring in a second every down ILB, and certainly not at the expense of using a first round pick.
I think you're right in that they want to build around Cushing (and Watt, of course). And normally, they wouldn't bring in a ILB with a big contract or a high draft pick value. But, Cushing's injury muddies the water. And a pick at #27 isn't a real big contract to devote to another ILB.

However, there is a whole other set of reasons the Texans won't draft Ogletree. But, I guess Beerlover doesn't want to get into that.

powda
04-07-2013, 01:46 PM
However, there is a whole other set of reasons the Texans won't draft Ogletree. But, I guess Beerlover doesn't want to get into that.

My immediate thought as soon as I read him gushing over Ogletree. Just not a character the Texans will draft. It's a shame he's got that baggage because athletically every profile i've read on him is awesome. Just dont see it happening...not a mcnair guy.

Lucky
04-07-2013, 01:59 PM
My immediate thought as soon as I read him gushing over Ogletree. Just not a character the Texans will draft. It's a shame he's got that baggage because athletically every profile i've read on him is awesome. Just dont see it happening...not a mcnair guy.
And really, I don't think Ogletree is a good fit in a 3-4. He runs around blocks and he's not a real physical linebacker. I think Ogletree is a better fit as a 4-3 Will, or maybe a Tampa 2 Mike that is asked to cover the deep middle.

powda
04-07-2013, 02:05 PM
And really, I don't think Ogletree is a good fit in a 3-4. He runs around blocks and he's not a real physical linebacker. I think Ogletree is a better fit as a 4-3 Will, or maybe a Tampa 2 Mike that is asked to cover the deep middle.

Yup. Reminds me of Teo in that regard. You could make it work but he's better suited for a 4-3. You'd have to protect him consistently to really reap the rewards of his talent. A stunting gap attack 3-4 wont do that nearly as well as a parcels double bubble 3-4.

Lucky
04-07-2013, 02:16 PM
Yup. Reminds me of Teo in that regard. You could make it work but he's better suited for a 4-3. You'd have to protect him consistently to really reap the rewards of his talent. A stunting gap attack 3-4 wont do that nearly as well as a parcels double bubble 3-4.
Yeah, Teo is the same. Of the top rated ILB's, I guess Minter is the best fit here. And he's not really a reach at #27, because I think you are getting the same player there as at #58.

beerlover
04-07-2013, 02:38 PM
And really, I don't think Ogletree is a good fit in a 3-4. He runs around blocks and he's not a real physical linebacker. I think Ogletree is a better fit as a 4-3 Will, or maybe a Tampa 2 Mike that is asked to cover the deep middle.

I hear ya, really do but Alec also has elite edge rushing pass skill, not that disimular to Mercilus so on passing downs be kicks outside OLB. Combinations are limitless, stuff Wade is famous for. I would be sick as heck if Texans passed then be turns into a Von Miller. Far as character issue thought I did address it, Texans have a great locker room to guide any young man coming into the league if he is a genuine good person & hard worker which from interviews & reading background checks he sure appears to be.

beerlover
04-07-2013, 02:41 PM
Love your mock.

Like Corrosions TT Mock Draft better.

Thanks man.

We shall see how it all turns out very, very soon.

IDEXAN
04-07-2013, 02:50 PM
I think you're right in that they want to build around Cushing (and Watt, of course). And normally, they wouldn't bring in a ILB with a big contract or a high draft pick value. But, Cushing's injury muddies the water. And a pick at #27 isn't a real big contract to devote to another ILB.

However, there is a whole other set of reasons the Texans won't draft Ogletree. But, I guess Beerlover doesn't want to get into that.
So true, as in the words of one Matt Schaub, Ogletree isn't "Houston Texans worthy", i.e., he's got problems in the "issues department", in his case off of the field of play.
Actually I have a theory that the Texans biggest obstacle to retaining Cushing will be Cushing himself, as I don't think he wants to remain in Houston. I don't think he has anything against the organization and definitely not the fans with whom he's certainly wildly popular.
And no, the 27th pick is not that high and some might say it's virtually a high 2nd round pick, but they just have several other more pressing needs at more critical positions, I will be floored if they use anything above a 3rd round pick on an ILB. But I might get surprised later this month, and that's something else that makes the Draft fun: it can be so unpredictable.

Lucky
04-07-2013, 02:57 PM
Far as character issue thought I did address it, Texans have a great locker room to guide any young man coming into the league if he is a genuine good person & hard worker which from interviews & reading background checks he sure appears to be.
Here's what Bob McNair had to say about this last November (http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-maximize-players-with-character-to-4064217.php) (and they've been pretty consistent).

"There are three things that are unacceptable to us," owner Bob McNair said. "Someone who abuses women; we don't put up with that. People who do that are just a bully. Bullies are usually not courageous when they're facing someone as strong as they are.


"The second thing is if there's been substance abuse. That can become a habit, and they might bring that habit with them. I'm not talking about someone who smoked marijuana. I'm talking about a persistent user of drugs. We take them off the list.


"The third thing is someone who rebels against authority. We have a very strong chain of command. Our coaches don't want to have a debate with a player every time they tell him to do something."



We're not talking about one incident. It's three over the past 2-1/2 years, including right before the NFL combine. The biggest interview of his life. That speaks of the lack of discipline the Texans try to steer clear of.

But Smith said no level of talent erases character considerations.

I don't think they could be more clear.

powda
04-07-2013, 03:03 PM
I'm still looking for the bull in a china shop nose tackle. The right one could do a lot to free up Watt and help mask any run defense deficiencies from our inside line backers. That or ofcourse the wideout spot in the first 2 rounds.

If we select something else like a TE in the first i'm probably going to be pissed.

Rey
04-07-2013, 03:33 PM
I'm not really a fan of this mock tbh.

I like some of the picks, but I'm not a fan of ogletree at all. Dude plays with his hands down by his side. He's bad at taking on blocks and I just don't think he's a fit for this defense and I really don't care what defense it is, I'm not a fan of his. I don't like how he plays as a linebacker.

That pick right there kind if ruins the mock for me even though I like some of the other players.

Jmo.

beerlover
04-07-2013, 04:14 PM
I'm not really a fan of this mock tbh.

I like some of the picks, but I'm not a fan of ogletree at all. Dude plays with his hands down by his side. He's bad at taking on blocks and I just don't think he's a fit for this defense and I really don't care what defense it is, I'm not a fan of his. I don't like how he plays as a linebacker.

That pick right there kind if ruins the mock for me even though I like some of the other players.

Jmo.

Understand your concerns. Alec is just really blessed athletically. If he was clean both on & off probably a top 10 pick. I'm placing my faith in this organization to coach him up, turn his life around & excell in a positive environment. Like you said, polish his fundamentals, mentored by Cushing/Watt/Reed/Mercilus etc. I don't mind even if he has to prove his ability on special teams & earn his reps, hard Knox style. In the end he adds another dimension to Texans.

We covet that nose too. 2004 my pick was Wilfork one week before the draft. Jenkins is the closest prospect in this years class physically & athletically. His rapid weight loss is a concern as is his motor but talent is there. Kinda boneheaded exit out of school which also raises red flag. Will have to really sell himself interview process much like Ogletree.

Thanks big Rey for your response!

SAMURAITEXAN
04-07-2013, 04:30 PM
I am not draftniks as you know. But I keep thinking about Margus Hunt in the first rd. He is strong enough to be DE and fast enough to be OLB. He is fast like Mario and he is longer than Mario. He may able to play DE or OLB position. Perhaps, let him play at OLB position for a few years and eventually replace Smith at DE in the future. Or, whichever the position needs help. Like I said, I don't know anything about evaluating prospect but just a thought.

beerlover
04-07-2013, 04:50 PM
I am not draftniks as you know. But I keep thinking about Margus Hunt in the first rd. He is strong enough to be DE and fast enough to be OLB. He is fast like Mario and he is longer than Mario. He may able to play DE or OLB position. Perhaps, let him play at OLB position for a few years and eventually replace Smith at DE in the future. Or, whichever the position needs help. Like I said, I don't know anything about evaluating prospect but just a thought.

Good eye for talent. Would be Wade's call if he pounded the table I'm sure scouting department has files of tape & background work. Every time I've watched him he is a player you can't take your eyes off, but not like he plays in SEC. Has gotten away with natural ability & raw power. Not sure I would call it a swim move or just a bull rush but he consistently beats double teams regardless. Thing which concerns me is his height & exposure to lower body. Plays too high, will have to protect his zones, work on disengaging blocks with technique as opposed to brute strength. If he is a student of the game he will be dominant.

Doppelganger
04-08-2013, 06:10 PM
First Round: Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia 6024 242

A very good ILB prospect. If taken he would be a 3 down lineman and would afford the Texans the opportunity to play plus 2 ILBs like the 49ers do with Willis and Bowman. Ogletree could also start in the Cush spot if needed. I prefer the idea of a WR here, but I would certainly be open to Ogletree if available.

Second Round: Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor 6020 208
These WR projections are tough. Could go mid first to late second. Someone will be there and it could be Williams. No problem with pick.

Third Round: Chase Thomas, OLB, Stanford, 6032 244

Not a fan of Chase. REALLY slow 40 time, though a nice 10 yard split. He started off on fire and then cooled quite a bit. When I saw him he had that Connor Barwin syndrome: half his sacks(7 of 14.5) came in three games. He also had a tendency to be just a step or two too late to get a sack. Seems better against the run than pass(like Barwin). An ok player, but would prefer Trevardo Williams or my guy Jamie Collins(if he falls into the third).

Third Round: (compensatory Mario Williams) Jordan Mills, OT, Louisiana Tech, 6050 316

Excellent pick! One thing I love about small school prospects is that they are hungry and work hard. They don't take success for granted and know they have to bust their butt just to get noticed. Typically hose guys have high motors that run all day. Case in point: Jordan Mills.

Fourth Round: Lavar Edwards, DE/DT, LSU, 6036 277
Saw a little bit of him ast year when he was depth(I think) behind Brockers. Didn't scout him this year. Will defer to you.

Fifth Round: Kayvon Webster, CB/SS, South Florida, 5-10 1/2" 195

I like the idea, but I fear he is a bit on the small side to play as a SS. If he is going to take on abuse, I would like him in the 210 range. Will he lose speed if he puts on that much weight? Not sure. Does he fit on the team as a CB? Seems like a slot CB, but McCain and Harris are there. Not sure he would get a shot there and may have trouble as a SS. I prefer the idea of a pure ball hawk safety like the Wolf or Bishop.


Sixth Round: Corey Fuller, WR, Virginia Tech, 6-2 197

I agree, picking another WR WOULD be a good thing, but will he get a chance other than ST? AJ, Williams, FA vet, Martin, Jean. Fuller would be around 6 or so on the depth chart not counting Posey. If you are going to go second WR, maybe a little earlier? Not knocking the player, I actually like him, (decent size, good hands, and needs to put on weight), but I see him getting lost in the shuffle. Would prefer a RB who would have only Foster and Tate ahead of him.

Sixth Round: (compensatory) Keith Pough, ILB, Howard, 6016 241

Late round ILB pick. LOVE it! Gotta have depth and Pough would certainly provide it.

Seventh Round: Chris Jones, NT, Bowling Green, 6-1 7/8" 301

A little smaller than I want. I don't see him as a 3 tech, a tad slow. Would be similar to what the team has already in Mitchell. Would prefer a bigger player, but would certainly fit the Texans.

Overall an excellent draft. A few nit picks, but if the Texans ended up with this haul, I'd be thrilled. I bet this mock will be much better than what the Texans actually end up with!!!

:wesmantexanfan:

:wesmantexanfan:

beerlover
04-09-2013, 02:17 AM
Thanks Doppelganger,

everybody pretty much has Ogletree penciled in going to Chicago, we'll see. He is a first/second round talent per ourlads, ranked #26 overall. again I like his chances here to really grow into the player we covet who can stay in the game all situations.

Terrance Williams, has really slid down a slippery slope, heck even McClain took him in the first rd. this week if that's not the kiss of death. He is now ranked as a second/third rd. talent, pretty sure he will be there for Texans. ourlads has him going to Indianapolis #73 overall in 3rd. rd. If Texans don't take a WR in first like I project this is excellent spot to address need, bpa or not I feel he would fit, who knows maybe he grows into the #1 position?

Big Chase Thomas fan because he plays such a smart controlled game. Doesn't wow you with number/measureable, not a workout warrior as much a film study & technique player. He is just so solid all around & versatile, pure football player. Stock is down, could wait but he would fit so well with JJ Watt, very similar approach to game. Beauty w/this pick is by selecting Ogletree in the first Chase gives you a stable, consistent run gap defender, doesn't take risks or make mistakes. Chase is the type who plays higher percentages based off game film, works well w/teammates & is more productive than he looks. 36 tackles/freshmen, 69/sophomore, 52/Junior & 71 /Senior season 15.5 of those for loss with 7.5 sacks. For his career sack wise his total is 27.

Maybe a little high for Jordan Mills, but basing this off his upside & fact he fills a premium position of need. I really like him moving into the LG spot as Wade winds down or his contract expires assuming Newton returns from his injury & develops as planned. Still better insurance swing tackle than Gardner.

Don't ask me why but would love to add an LSU player every year to this team as a general rule they are so athletic & do play against the best competition in the SEC so you pretty much know what you got. Lavar Edwards, is a solid fit to play as Texan 5 technique DE, pretty high valued position as well. Excellent arm length 35" more solid against the run but athletic in space & good in backside pursuit.

Kayvon Webster, to me is a faster version of Glover Quin. His upper body is not as developed, can be addressed in weight room & increase his weight easily over 200, has a solid base & thick lower trunk. Very similar build & speed to Revis when he came out. Competes & never satisfied, ran 4.37 pro day is a sleeper pick.

By adding two quality WR's back to back in drafts should transition Texans out of the woods as far as needing WR help as Andre Johnson career winds down. Corey is a vertical threat, I really don't want him to add weight I want him to fly. He ran a 4.34 long arms, big hands & good vertical he might give Williams a run for his money. Got to take advantage of depth in WR class, great year to do it too. This is one pick that may in fact be gone, currently he is rated as a fourth/fifth rd. pick.

Remember Zach Diles, kinda reminds me of him with better instincts/size. Natural leadership skills. Special teams are predominately made up of LB's so adds depth & improves another area which needs help. Good developmental player, who grades out right in this area 6th/7th rd.

Number of late round NT possibilities of which Chris Jones, NT, Bowling Green, 6-1 7/8" 301 fits in this system. Which is why Texans don't need to spend a high pick on a run plugging space eater just a warm body who isn't afraid of a little hard work. Jones has enough upside to fit into a rotation & back-up starter, would replace Cody/be in mix with Hunter. Not really sure of McClain status, seems he would have seen some action with injury's last year?

:wesmantexanfan:

beerlover
04-17-2013, 11:58 AM
Heading down the stretch, since doing this weeks ago, here are some tweaks based on final grades, team needs & fit for system. Still like double dipping WR position, that will not change. This is also a strong db class both @ corner & safety so double dipping here may be appropriate as well. Understand the desire to address nose tackle position but feel grade does not align well in this years draft for Wade & Texans but this is for you guys so inclined. Really expected Texans to identify this specific need through free agency but it hasn't happened yet, although plenty of time left until training camp to bring in someone via FA or Trade (still covet Jay Ratliff).

So here goes-

1. Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee, 6040 196

Speed kills, can't teach size of athletic ability either. Should be available #27 or Texans could trade down & possibly still acquire him if Rick Smith plays the gambler? Hopkins seems to be graded just out of Texan reach while Keenan Allen red flags are too troubling unless inside information says otherwise. Justin has the potential, to become Texans #1 WR in time, versatile to line up all over the field, mainly can really help stretch the field & create mis-matches. Ogletree seems to be locked into Giant/Bear selection 19/20 so projected off the board, would still take him if available.

2. Jesse Williams, NT, Alabama, 6033 323

Athletic enough to fit scheme, good size to hold the point & be disruptive fighting through gaps. Good value here, feel he falls further than most think because he is still raw, has shorter arms than ideal which concern me to fight off cut blocks with his narrow base, but need & value might just tempt Texans to solidify middle earlier than later in this situation.

3. Trevardo Williams, OLB, Connecticut, 6013 235

Projects to a 3-4 SAM. Explosive pass rush ability, does a good job shedding blocks, getting around the corner with speed & body lean. Ran 4.57 @ combine, productive sack machine (30.5 school record). Special teams & rotational depth as well pass rushing specialist.

3. Phillip Thomas, FS, Fresno State, 6005 210

Two way safety who is interchangeable in coverage or run support. Has nose for ball, will stick somebody but disciplined & coach-able. Ran pedistrian 4.65 which should drop him within range, before thought he was worthy of second round grade. Value pick, need/developmental/depth selection.

4. Vance McDonald, TE, Rice, 6041 4.68

Historically value point for TE position in Rick Smith era with good quality results. Replaces Casey, from same school, local, bigger body who will need to improve blocking skills but catches ball like a receiver, thus adding another weapon back into Schaub arsenal.

5. Jordan Mills, OT, Louisiana Tech, 6050 318

Great feet & athletic ability who fits in mix for swing tackle & ability to play LG as well. 34" arms, benched 20 & little slow off the start 1.84 10 split so is a developmental insurance policy to replace Butler, behind Harris.

6. Corey Fuller, WR, Virginia Tech, 6022 204

Another good sized, burner to stretch the field, develop & provide quality depth @ WR position which is going through transition. Sleeper talent with good feet & decent hands will push Hunter on downfield routes & really help spread defenses out.

6. Kayvon Webster, CB, South Florida, 5104 185

Solid build, steady/productive tackler with good outside speed 4.37 forty. Small school kid with excellent work ethic & ability to cover next level using good short area quickness, strength & good length (32 1/2" arms).

7. Keith Pough, ILB, Howard, 6016 239

Small school gem. Excellent special teams player who provides depth & developmental down the road to back-fill middle of defense behind starters. Shows excellent leadership, work ethic & nice size with long arms (33 3/4"). Sixth/Seventh rd. grade just hoping he still there checking ILB need off list.

76Texan
04-17-2013, 12:11 PM
Looking good, BL.
But lots of things look good on paper! :specnatz:

mussop
04-17-2013, 01:53 PM
Heading down the stretch, since doing this weeks ago, here are some tweaks based on final grades, team needs & fit for system. Still like double dipping WR position, that will not change. This is also a strong db class both @ corner & safety so double dipping here may be appropriate as well. Understand the desire to address nose tackle position but feel grade does not align well in this years draft for Wade & Texans but this is for you guys so inclined. Really expected Texans to identify this specific need through free agency but it hasn't happened yet, although plenty of time left until training camp to bring in someone via FA or Trade (still covet Jay Ratliff).

So here goes-

1. Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee, 6040 196

Speed kills, can't teach size of athletic ability either. Should be available #27 or Texans could trade down & possibly still acquire him if Rick Smith plays the gambler? Hopkins seems to be graded just out of Texan reach while Keenan Allen red flags are too troubling unless inside information says otherwise. Justin has the potential, to become Texans #1 WR in time, versatile to line up all over the field, mainly can really help stretch the field & create mis-matches. Ogletree seems to be locked into Giant/Bear selection 19/20 so projected off the board, would still take him if available.

2. Jesse Williams, NT, Alabama, 6033 323

Athletic enough to fit scheme, good size to hold the point & be disruptive fighting through gaps. Good value here, feel he falls further than most think because he is still raw, has shorter arms than ideal which concern me to fight off cut blocks with his narrow base, but need & value might just tempt Texans to solidify middle earlier than later in this situation.

3. Trevardo Williams, OLB, Connecticut, 6013 235

Projects to a 3-4 SAM. Explosive pass rush ability, does a good job shedding blocks, getting around the corner with speed & body lean. Ran 4.57 @ combine, productive sack machine (30.5 school record). Special teams & rotational depth as well pass rushing specialist.

3. Phillip Thomas, FS, Fresno State, 6005 210

Two way safety who is interchangeable in coverage or run support. Has nose for ball, will stick somebody but disciplined & coach-able. Ran pedistrian 4.65 which should drop him within range, before thought he was worthy of second round grade. Value pick, need/developmental/depth selection.

4. Vance McDonald, TE, Rice, 6041 4.68

Historically value point for TE position in Rick Smith era with good quality results. Replaces Casey, from same school, local, bigger body who will need to improve blocking skills but catches ball like a receiver, thus adding another weapon back into Schaub arsenal.

5. Jordan Mills, OT, Louisiana Tech, 6050 318

Great feet & athletic ability who fits in mix for swing tackle & ability to play LG as well. 34" arms, benched 20 & little slow off the start 1.84 10 split so is a developmental insurance policy to replace Butler, behind Harris.

6. Corey Fuller, WR, Virginia Tech, 6022 204

Another good sized, burner to stretch the field, develop & provide quality depth @ WR position which is going through transition. Sleeper talent with good feet & decent hands will push Hunter on downfield routes & really help spread defenses out.

6. Kayvon Webster, CB, South Florida, 5104 185

Solid build, steady/productive tackler with good outside speed 4.37 forty. Small school kid with excellent work ethic & ability to cover next level using good short area quickness, strength & good length (32 1/2" arms).

7. Keith Pough, ILB, Howard, 6016 239

Small school gem. Excellent special teams player who provides depth & developmental down the road to back-fill middle of defense behind starters. Shows excellent leadership, work ethic & nice size with long arms (33 3/4"). Sixth/Seventh rd. grade just hoping he still there checking ILB need off list.

Good one! :fingergun:

beerlover
04-23-2013, 11:03 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1612324-todd-mcshay-2013-nfl-mock-draft-last-look-at-mcshays-predictions/page/28

Hunter offers a nice combination of size and speed. He does have a tendency to drop some easy passes, but that is something he can work on with his coaches. You can't teach speed, and that is something that will always be in demand for wide receivers.

McShay had Houston taking Florida State tackle Menelik Watson in his 5.0 mock draft, which might be a reasonable pick, but Hunter has more appeal for a Houston team that figures to be in contention again in 2013.

Doppelganger
04-23-2013, 01:33 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1612324-todd-mcshay-2013-nfl-mock-draft-last-look-at-mcshays-predictions/page/28

I think Hunter has a good shot at being the pick. I mocked him a few times because of size, speed, and ability. One concern are he is rail thin and needs to add weight. Will that affect his speed? Second concern is his hands. He tended to drop a bunch of passes.

I think the pick will be a WR. Could be Hopkins, Allen, Hunter, or Wood.

Its an exciting time my friend...only 2 more days!!!

Rey
04-23-2013, 02:22 PM
I just watched some film on Pough...He was lined up outside a lot...In fact...I didn't see him in the middle much at all...

He moves well in space...Finds the ball quickly...Looks like a good athlete...Looks like he can cover pretty well...

But I didn't see him take on many blocks at all. He had a free run a bunch.

I don't see him as a full time ILB in a 3-4 at all. I think he could play on passing downs inside no problem...But in a 34 the ILB have to be able to take on guards on a regular basis...they have to have the strength to not lose ground and to shed to make plays....

I don't think he fits this defense unless you're going to line him up outside.

badboy
04-23-2013, 03:00 PM
I think Hunter has a good shot at being the pick. I mocked him a few times because of size, speed, and ability. One concern are he is rail thin and needs to add weight. Will that affect his speed? Second concern is his hands. He tended to drop a bunch of passes.

I think the pick will be a WR. Could be Hopkins, Allen, Hunter, or Wood.

Its an exciting time my friend...only 2 more days!!!Do not over look Hunter's 40.5 vert pro day increasing it by an inch over combine. Very intriguing prospect that despite dropping balls after injury still had 1,000 yds. May need to shake off mental issues of the ACL but tons of ceiling. Weighed in just under 200 at combine. Many mocks have him in second but IMO not much of a reach at #27.

Doppelganger
04-23-2013, 03:52 PM
Do not over look Hunter's 40.5 vert pro day increasing it by an inch over combine. Very intriguing prospect that despite dropping balls after injury still had 1,000 yds. May need to shake off mental issues of the ACL but tons of ceiling. Weighed in just under 200 at combine. Many mocks have him in second but IMO not much of a reach at #27.

Yep. He is an intriguing prospect. If he was a bit heavier with good hands, to go with his speed and size, he would be going in the top 10, possibly top 5. A guy like that simply does not fall unless there are some character questions. Weight, can be added and hands can be improved. Height and speed generally cannot be improved.

I had been mocking him to 27 for a while and then in the last non-trade down mock, had Allen falling to the Texans. To be honest there are a lot of interesting WR prospects in this draft. If the Texans went WR I would be happy with Allen, Patterson, Hunter, Woods, or Hopkins. I think there are fine gradations between them and all of them would have an opportunity to succeed as the #2 to AJ.

beerlover
04-24-2013, 02:15 AM
usually down to a couple days before the draft there is more crystallization as to who teams favor or likely to go with not as much this year. those of us who do this on a season long, continual basis are probably guilty of over analyzing process as well. Trying to break down a particular position of need like WR has been daunting to say the least. To me there are two principles in play, one the notion the difference between the top 6 or 7 receivers is not so great that you can still acquire similar talent even if you trade down & choose one later in the 2nd. The other is you take the BPA for position of greatest need which is another weapon for Schaub who can separate.

after thoroughly reviewing tape, potential, workouts, character on & off the field issues & best fit for system, Justin Hunter, to my surprise, easily emerged as the clear winner. In fact the gap between him & the next WR is greater & therefore warrants selecting him #27 instead of trading down because if you do trade down you pass on the best shot Texans have to upgrade position opposite Andre Johnson. Listening to Barry Warner when driving home from work tonight & he started talking about Terrance Williams, Quinton Patton as products of their system & not being ready, at least as rookies to impact immediately. Wheaten is just a more polished Keshawn Martin who at least has his rookie season under his belt so you can cross him off your list as well. Austin may be the first WR off the board in a battle with Patterson so don't expect those two to be hanging around mid to late 20's.

BIG THREE

Keenan Allen- does not have the speed Texans covet but uses all his supreme athletic talent to add yards after the catch. His recent injury & rehab aside it's difficult for me to sign off on him with Posey most likely starting season on PUP. Would be worth the wait if available.

DeAndre Hopkins- another big soft hands catcher like Keenan with good core strength. healthy no injury hampering him so has ability to impact early on in the NFL, plays bigger that size but of the three may be the biggest diva. Character concerns to Texans, maybe & also maybe the 3rd WR taken off the board in the first round before Texans select.

Justin Hunter- Best combination of size & speed in this whole class. Should be fully 100% after his acl two years ago expect his speed & confidence to climb. Will have adjustment period, but can develop into a red zone go to guy for Schaub & earn his reps, especially effective with his size & leaping ability on fade routes. He is a home run all around for Texans #27 both in terms of bpa, value & need.

DARK HORSE

Robert Woods- Consummate teammate who is accustomed to being a true #2 & probably always will be in the NFL so don't get hopes up as a #1 WR for the future. What you do get is immediate production has played in a pro style offense so is polished & can run entire pro route tree, has speed, decent size, some durability concerns with his shoulder but a willing blocker. Would come in & upgrade #2 WR over departed Kevin Walter.

All are worthy of the 27th selection, but clearly the best shot, most realistic too is Justin Hunter - http://www.athenaeumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/justin-hunter.jpg

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/0ap2000000154393/2013-Combine-workout-Justin-Hunter

mussop
04-24-2013, 03:40 AM
Good post beerlover! MSR!

IDEXAN
04-24-2013, 07:44 AM
usually down to a couple days before the draft there is more crystallization as to who teams favor or likely to go with not as much this year. those of us who do this on a season long, continual basis are probably guilty of over analyzing process as well. Trying to break down a particular position of need like WR has been daunting to say the least. To me there are two principles in play, one the notion the difference between the top 6 or 7 receivers is not so great that you can still acquire similar talent even if you trade down & choose one later in the 2nd. The other is you take the BPA for position of greatest need which is another weapon for Schaub who can separate.

after thoroughly reviewing tape, potential, workouts, character on & off the field issues & best fit for system, Justin Hunter, to my surprise, easily emerged as the clear winner. In fact the gap between him & the next WR is greater & therefore warrants selecting him #27 instead of trading down because if you do trade down you pass on the best shot Texans have to upgrade position opposite Andre Johnson. Listening to Barry Warner when driving home from work tonight & he started talking about Terrance Williams, Quinton Patton as products of their system & not being ready, at least as rookies to impact immediately. Wheaten is just a more polished Keshawn Martin who at least has his rookie season under his belt so you can cross him off your list as well. Austin may be the first WR off the board in a battle with Patterson so don't expect those two to be hanging around mid to late 20's.

BIG THREE

Keenan Allen- does not have the speed Texans covet but uses all his supreme athletic talent to add yards after the catch. His recent injury & rehab aside it's difficult for me to sign off on him with Posey most likely starting season on PUP. Would be worth the wait if available.

DeAndre Hopkins- another big soft hands catcher like Keenan with good core strength. healthy no injury hampering him so has ability to impact early on in the NFL, plays bigger that size but of the three may be the biggest diva. Character concerns to Texans, maybe & also maybe the 3rd WR taken off the board in the first round before Texans select.

Justin Hunter- Best combination of size & speed in this whole class. Should be fully 100% after his acl two years ago expect his speed & confidence to climb. Will have adjustment period, but can develop into a red zone go to guy for Schaub & earn his reps, especially effective with his size & leaping ability on fade routes. He is a home run all around for Texans #27 both in terms of bpa, value & need.

DARK HORSE

Robert Woods- Consummate teammate who is accustomed to being a true #2 & probably always will be in the NFL so don't get hopes up as a #1 WR for the future. What you do get is immediate production has played in a pro style offense so is polished & can run entire pro route tree, has speed, decent size, some durability concerns with his shoulder but a willing blocker. Would come in & upgrade #2 WR over departed Kevin Walter.

All are worthy of the 27th selection, but clearly the best shot, most realistic too is Justin Hunter - http://www.athenaeumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/justin-hunter.jpg

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/0ap2000000154393/2013-Combine-workout-Justin-Hunter
I'm calling it right here: your "DarkHorse" comes off of the Board before any of those other "Big Three" WRs do ?
And far as Hunter goes, most upside but least ready to contribute in '13 of any of those receivers IMO.

TejasTom
04-24-2013, 07:53 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/0ap2000000154393/2013-Combine-workout-Justin-Hunter

After watching this, I see Hunter can catch all of Schaub's favorite throws; low, behind him, and slow down for the under throw.

beerlover
04-24-2013, 11:19 AM
After watching this, I see Hunter can catch all of Schaub's favorite throws; low, behind him, and slow down for the under throw.

right, you noticed & deduced similar conclusion? ability to adjust to the ball is very underrated & his hands look OK to me. he seems to have a huge catching radius it will be very hard for Matt to overthrow him but defenses would still have to respect.

Rey
04-24-2013, 11:22 AM
Hunter is a beast...

I love the fact that even though he's a tall fast guy, he can still make people miss in a close quarters...

beerlover
04-25-2013, 12:04 PM
quickly just a cross check using somebody else's (Lance Zierlein) pre-draft grades after the fact. I believe Hunter has moved up boards since he posted while Jesse Williams falls. Trevardo is spot on, physical despite size with ability to stack & shed blockers. Phillip is probably off the board, possible trade up if Texans like him but not over Tre. Vance McDonald homer pick/grade, everybody should know by now 4th is sweet spot for Texans war room addressing TE position. Jordan probably gone. Fuller could still be there while I like Webster more because could flip as SS prospect as well. Given lack of special teams depth & LB's I would not sleep on need although probably add value/depth with UDFA LB position.

1). Justin Hunter, WR - 1st/2nd
2). Jesse Williams, NT - 1st/2nd
3). Trevardo Williams, OLB - 3rd/4th
3). Phillip Thomas, S - 2nd/3rd
4). Vance McDonald, TE - 3rd
5). Jordan Mills, OT - 4th
6). Corey Fuller, WR - 5th
6). Kayvon Webster, CB - 7th
7). Keith Pough, LB - UDFA

beerlover
04-30-2013, 11:33 AM
2 out of 9 & late round picks as that once again frustrates my efforts. starting with first pick, DeAndre Hopkins. Right position wrong player 50/50. Should have factored higher blocking & fit with Schaub which is what seems to drive Texan board, not necessarily bpa. here is Jason Boris mock draft consistently rated the #1 prognosticator so I'm in good company -
http://www.tnonline.com/2013/apr/25/nfl-draft
27. HOUSTON TEXANS - Justin Hunter (WR, Tennessee)

Andre Johnson isn't getting any younger and the Texans have needed a #2 wide receiver for years. Hunter provides the size and speed to stretch the field, just like Johnson when he first came into the league. Hunter will be able to take pressure off Johnson and Arian Foster, while also replacing Kevin Walter, who moved on to Tennessee.

pissed Texans stayed pat in 2nd with Authur Brown sitting right there & Ravens traded up right in front to grab him after winning Super Bowl with former Texan Jacoby Jones who should have been mvp.