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jppaul
04-05-2013, 02:51 AM
So who are your round one targets, ie who would you be at least alright with in the first (the prospects I am listing are ones I believe have a shot of being there when the texans come on the clock, in order of preference within position):

WR

Coradelle Patterson
Justin Hunter
Keenan Allen

OT

Menelik Watson

OG

Justin Pugh
Kyle Long

TE

Eiffert
Ertz

DE

Sheldon Richardson (i think he can play de for us)
Datone Jones
Bjoern Werner

DT

Sylvester Williams
Jonathan Jenkins
Kazan Short

OLB

Jarvis Jones

ILB

Alec Ogletree

S

Kenny Vacarro

mussop
04-05-2013, 07:00 AM
Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
Jonathan Cooper OG North Carolina
Chance Warmack OG Alabama
Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee
Tavon Austin WR West Virginia
Star Lotuleilei DT Utah
Desmond Trufant CB Washington
DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson
Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia
Xavier Rhodes CB Florida St.
D.J. Fluker* OT/OG Alabama
Keenan Allen WR Cal
Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame
Kenny Vacarro S Texas
Eddie Lacy RB Alabama
Arthur Brown ILB/OLB Kansas State
Kawaan Short DT Purdue
Jonathan Cyprien S Florida International
Johnathan Banks CB Mississippi St.
Johnathan Hankins DT Ohio State
John Jenkins NT Georgia

Any of these guys in the first will make me happy. The bolded are my favorites.

76Texan
04-05-2013, 09:06 AM
Like I said in the other thread, SEVERAL players that you guys want are available later-to-much later.

Trading down to the mid-to-late second is the best option.
You can get 3 good players instead of 2.

Rey
04-05-2013, 09:56 AM
Justin Hunter....


A couple months ago I would have said Dion Jordan, but that is a pipe dream at this point. Would love it if he falls for some reason.

But that's not likely to happen...

Sooooo....I would take Hunter if I were the Texans. Or Margus Hunt...

I like Tavon Austin too, but I'd rather have Hunter or Hunt.

mussop
04-05-2013, 10:53 AM
Justin Hunter....


A couple months ago I would have said Dion Jordan, but that is a pipe dream at this point. Would love it if he falls for some reason.

But that's not likely to happen...

Sooooo....I would take Hunter if I were the Texans. Or Margus Hunt...

I like Tavon Austin too, but I'd rather have Hunter or Hunt.

In the first? No thanks on Hunt or Hunter.

Scooter
04-05-2013, 11:08 AM
there are two guys that i target in this draft, the first being justin hunter. watching him, i see a #1 pro receiver. he has everything i'd want in a wide receiver, with the only knock being potential for injury. given his size and (reported) weight loss for the combine, i'd be pretty confident he could put some weight back on and increase strength without losing any mobility.

the second guy is kyle long. ideal size, strength, and feet ... and a heck of a pedigree. lacks a bit in experience and technique, and may not start right away, but is rated as a first or second rounder for a reason. this is a guy who's going to start for 10+ years for somebody.

Rey
04-05-2013, 11:12 AM
In the first? No thanks on Hunt or Hunter.

Yes, in the first.

They are better than all of the other prospects that will likely be on the board IMO.

jppaul
04-05-2013, 06:57 PM
Yes, in the first.

They are better than all of the other prospects that will likely be on the board IMO.

I would be happy with Hunter in the first, but then I think Hopkins is solid but just a guy. Hunt is interesting upside off the charts especially if he can start to utilize that weight room strength into playing power.

jppaul
04-05-2013, 06:59 PM
Like I said in the other thread, SEVERAL players that you guys want are available later-to-much later.

Trading down to the mid-to-late second is the best option.
You can get 3 good players instead of 2.

Your statement seemingly presumes a trade will be available. If no trade, of the prospects on the board who are you comfortable with. That's the question.

76Texan
04-05-2013, 07:14 PM
All 3 receivers - Yes, even though I think Hunter is a little bit of a stretch.

OT
Menelik Watson
Don't think the Texans go OT in the first, so I haven't studied him.

OG
Justin Pugh
Kyle Long
Not first round material to me.

TE
Eiffert - Yes
Ertz - No

DE
Sheldon Richardson
Datone Jones
Bjoern Werner
All Yes

DT
Sylvester Williams
Jonathan Jenkins
Kawaan Short
Second rounders with Short at the top, followed by Sylvester.
Hankins is a borderline first. Jesse and Short are draws ahead of Sylvester.
Jenkins is at most a third for me, due to weight concern.

OLB
Jarvis Jones
Yes - another borderline.

ILB
Alec Ogletree
Yes

S
Kenny Vacarro
NO

76Texan
04-05-2013, 07:20 PM
Don't want to put Arthur Brown, Cyprien, or Banks in the first either.

Margus Hunt is a borderline first.

jppaul
04-06-2013, 02:13 AM
Don't want to put Arthur Brown, Cyprien, or Banks in the first either.

Margus Hunt is a borderline first.

Fair enough on the evaluations but the question (again) was who is on YOUR first round board and may (has a decent chance) be available at 27.

76Texan
04-06-2013, 03:06 PM
Fair enough on the evaluations but the question (again) was who is on YOUR first round board and may (has a decent chance) be available at 27.

The problem is I always find it very difficult to evaluate players without accurate knowledge of the things I want to know.

The first thing is injury.
With Cyprien, for example, I likes his tapes, but when he tested, his forty time and his 20SS time are not to my liking.
Then I read that he had a hamstring issue sometimes around combine time.
Was he fully recover at his pro day? We don't know, because with hamstring, if we recall the situation with AJ in 2011 and JJo in 2012, it's hard to tell how long it lasts and how much it affects the player.
What if I had missed the fact the he was injured and knock him for his speed.
But then again, he might have fully recovered, and what he showed at his pro day are true.

Take another player like Allen who has never been timed in college, when he works out on April 9 (I believe), can we trust that what he shows are true measures of his capability?

A different situation is a guy like Cornellius Washington who had a great combine and pro day, but mediocre tapes. We don't know why without investigating deeply into the matter. I notice that he didn't play much in some games, besides being in a rotation. But what happened to his production last year? It decreased significantly. Besides the sack numbers, the number of QB pressure also dipped from 29 to 13 despite playing 2 more games.
His tackle total were fewer than his back-up who came in early and not just in garbage time. What might be the reason(s)?

Also, as I'be said many times in the past, I'm not comfortable giving opinion on a guy without watching at least 8 games against good opponents (preferrably - otherwise, I will have to project - or discount a certain game altogether.)

The last few years, I concentrated mostly on the receivers, looking to find a replacement for AJ and Walter/Jones.

It's a position I have the most knowledge of (but still lacking information about injury among other things.)

With that base, I don't have to spend as much time on them this year so I was able to watch the safeties and a few CBs.

By watching the receivers, I was also able to learn about the QBs.

Those are the positions I feel most comfortable with, but when you ask me about other guys, I don't know that much except for a few guys I think the Texans might draft (but I still don't watch enough tapes to really "rank" them.)

For example, I still don't know if I prefer Hankins, Short, Jesse, or Williams.
There's still some time left though.

jppaul
04-06-2013, 04:05 PM
The problem is I always find it very difficult to evaluate players without accurate knowledge of the things I want to know.


Man you must be allergic to answering a question, are you bychance a doctor, attorney or insurance adjuster?

beerlover
04-06-2013, 04:41 PM
Man you must be allergic to answering a question, are you bychance a doctor, attorney or insurance adjuster?

76 is damn thorough. Turned into a fine scout for us as well if you ask me. Really enjoy reading his work. I would appreciate making a stance or taking a position on specific player which is probably jest of your frustration.

As you've likely noticed it's real hard to find actual scouts write ups. Which is an excellent reason to visit our site, not that we're actual scouts or have even fraction of much needed but privileged info- that sells for good money. 65 is another poster here with natural eye for talent, but only gives you brief glimpses into prospects largely due to personal time constraints.

I've just posted my personal mock & have Texans selecting Alec Ogeltree, ILB. Not only does he have unlimited ceiling his character issues would be a thing of his past in Texan locker room. Talk about Ed Reed grooming a young safety prospect what about Cushing helping this young man? Or JJ Watt doing similar, we have great players in virtually every position that if a young man has the talent & desire he will succeed here. Really can't ask more than that but I do feel now more than ever we have that opportunity to take best playmaker available @ position of need & mold his natural talent into something really special.

BL :wesmantexanfan:

badboy
04-06-2013, 04:44 PM
Almost none of OPs. Mine would have to be those that have actually been mocked by a reasonable source as being there #27. Keenan Allen, Hopkins, Robert Woods, Terrence Williams, J. Hankins, Jesse Williams, Kawann Short, Banks, Amerson, Damontre Moore, Sam Montgomery, Ogletree, Te'o, Minter and Eiffert. Any would be okay and I would probably be stunned but okay if they selected QB Tyler Wilson there. First round will get us a good guy but after that it gets uch harder.

powda
04-07-2013, 01:08 PM
There's very little talk here (site wise) of Patterson. Is that because no one thinks he will be available to us? I'm a fan of jesse williams in the 2nd but no time before then.

steelbtexan
04-07-2013, 05:21 PM
Short/Hankins/Rodgers/Hunter/Armstead

Lucky
04-07-2013, 06:12 PM
There's very little talk here (site wise) of Patterson. Is that because no one thinks he will be available to us?
That's the reason. And it's a good reason. He could go as early as #8 to the Bills and as late as #25 to the Vikings, with 7 other teams possible in between. My guess is that San Diego can't get one of the top 3 LTs at #11, and Mike McCoy goes for the Demaryius Thomas type WR he needs for his offense.

TexansSeminole
04-07-2013, 07:55 PM
That's the reason. And it's a good reason. He could go as early as #8 to the Bills and as late as #25 to the Vikings, with 7 other teams possible in between. My guess is that San Diego can't get one of the top 3 LTs at #11, and Mike McCoy goes for the Demaryius Thomas type WR he needs for his offense.

It just depends how SD feels about the corners available.

greekdbag
04-07-2013, 09:07 PM
Short/Hankins/Rodgers/Hunter/Armstead

I'd like all five of them please.

SteveSlaton20
04-07-2013, 11:53 PM
WR
Tavon Austin
Keenan Allen
Deandre Hopkins

OT
DJ Fluker
Menelik Watson

ILB
Alec Olgetree
Arthur Brown
Kevin Minter

DE/OLB
Margus Hunt
Jarvis Jones

S
Jonathan Cyprien
Kenny Vaccaro

TE
Tyler Eifert
don't really want him in the 1st, but I wouldn't be mad if we did picked him.

IDEXAN
04-08-2013, 08:40 AM
Taking some time to look at game tape over the last couple days, I think maybe the best pure WR out there is Robert Woods from USC. He has good hands, runs routes well, fairly explosive, and is aggressive and scrappy after catching the ball. And this guy has excellent top-end speed, as his 4.5 40 time at the combine understates the fact that he was a 46 second 400 man, and 21 second flat 200 meter guy scholastically which means he was probably capable of something in the range of a 10.5 100 meters time. That's fast ! In other words he can stretch the field, an asset we'd like at wr on the other side of AJ.
On the negative side he's had injury issues, and in particular a troublesome, nagging injury to his right ankle which he's struggled with for awhile now. Also this guy is not real fond of run-blocking, something that Kubiak wants and expects in his WR. And this guy definitely won't be around when we make out second round pick.

thunderkyss
04-08-2013, 09:43 AM
So who are your round one targets, ie who would you be at least alright with in the first (the prospects I am listing are ones I believe have a shot of being there when the texans come on the clock, in order of preference within position):


I like your list, however, to be ready for draft day, these players need to be ranked regardless of position. Do you take Datone Jones if Cordorelle Patterson or Alec Ogletree or Kyle Long.

I don't think we need to "target" a position, we've got enough needs, that the BPA (at a position of need) should be our first pick @ 27.

thunderkyss
04-08-2013, 09:50 AM
Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
Jonathan Cooper OG North Carolina
Chance Warmack OG Alabama
Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee
Tavon Austin WR West Virginia


Any of these guys in the first will make me happy. The bolded are my favorites.

It would be really cool if you draftknits could get together & put together a top 100 for us. That should cover the Texans picks through the first three rounds and give us less knowledgable fans something to guage our draft by.

I normally go off McShay's or Kiper's list, but they don't know the Texans the way our fans do.

Edit: I started this thread (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99582), to try & put together a TT top 100. Please drop in & give your opinion.