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axman40
04-01-2013, 06:59 PM
A person familiar with the deal says the Cleveland Browns have traded quarterback Colt McCoy to San Francisco.

McCoy, who started 21 games for the Browns in three seasons, has been sent to the 49ers for a late-round draft pick, said the person who spoke Monday to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the teams have not yet announced the trade.

McCoy became expendable last week when the Browns signed veteran backup Jason Campbell, who is expected to challenge Brandon Weeden for the starting job.
http://austin.ynn.com/content/sports/291235/colt-mccoy-traded-to-49ers
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houstonspartan
04-02-2013, 10:33 AM
And, yet another unprepared UT player continues to stumble around the league...

He'll be back in Austin in 3 years, as a coach or something.

TexanSam
04-02-2013, 10:36 AM
And, yet another unprepared UT player continues to stumble around the league...

He'll be back in Austin in 3 years, as a coach or something.

He'll probably be throwing at their pro day.

Mr teX
04-02-2013, 10:43 AM
Its just sad what UT turns these guys into, especially when you consider they are pretty much the cream of the crop talent wise coming out of the state of texas. With the right coaching who knows what type of players they could be entering the league.

gwallaia
04-02-2013, 10:52 AM
I actually had high hopes for McCoy.

houstonspartan
04-02-2013, 10:56 AM
I actually had high hopes for McCoy.

Sadly, I'm not surprised.

At first, I thought he was too short, but, someone pointed out that he was the same height as Drew Brees. (He's actually an inch taller!) So then, I thought, ok, cool, maybe he'll make it.

But, alas, the curse of Mack Brown and the "Austin Bubble" rears its head again. He's doesn't have the arm strength or durability of Drew Brees.

I like Colt. Nice dude. I want him to succeed. But, overall, I'm not surprised he's struggling. He wasn't prepared at UT.

UT alumni have got to let that great Rose Bowl victory over USC go, and move forward. Their football program is flailing.

Blake
04-02-2013, 11:27 AM
Colt isnt Drew Brees. Colt is Colt. But shipping him off to Cleveland definitely put him behind the 8-ball.

Not sure what UT Alumni letting go of the 2005 National Championship has to do with anything. And Texas doesnt always get the "cream of the crop." Texas is highly competitive with LSU, aTm, Oklahoma and virtually every other school working the area.

Rey
04-02-2013, 11:39 AM
I still don't think is a bad player.

Folks are acting like he was just cut. A really good team wanted him badly enough to trade for him.

I'd take McCoy here in a second. About the same arm as Schaub, but I think he'd be able to make more off schedule plays. I think McCoy would be a good back up here. Probably better and more reliable than what we currently have.

houstonspartan
04-02-2013, 11:39 AM
Colt isnt Drew Brees. Colt is Colt. But shipping him off to Cleveland definitely put him behind the 8-ball.

Not sure what UT Alumni letting go of the 2005 National Championship has to do with anything. And Texas doesnt always get the "cream of the crop." Texas is highly competitive with LSU, aTm, Oklahoma and virtually every other school working the area.

1) My reference to Drew had to do with the fact that I assumed that Colt struggled in the NFL because he was too short. Then, someone pointed out to me that he's not too short; he's taller than Drew. As you said, Colt is Colt he has a different skill set than Drew, regardless of height.

2) UT fans have been holding on to the 2005 National Championship. That's why they refuse to see that they need a new head coach. The thinking is, "Mack got us that great championship!" I've actually heard people say that more than once. It's document that NFL teams are starting to hesitate when drafting players from UT (unless it's a high-profile job like QB). The school needs a new head coach BAD, but, alumni won't see it. All they can think about is 2005.

3) Texas COULD get the "cream of the crop." And often does. The school has a national "brand" (for whatever it's worth) and can attract anyone. The problem is, once they recruit the top high school students, they don't really train them for life as a professional athlete (if that's what that student wants as a career).

texdawg
04-02-2013, 11:40 AM
I actually had high hopes for McCoy.

In Colts defense he really did not have much support. Its my belief he was supposed to sit for a year or so behind Delhomme and learn the ropes. He got thrown to the wolves before he was ready with a horrible lack of supporting talent and lost confidence.

I'm glad he is getting another chance with a much more talented organization.

Maybe he'll be the holder for his BFF Phil Dawson.

TexanSam
04-02-2013, 11:53 AM
1) My reference to Drew had to do with the fact that I assumed that Colt struggled in the NFL because he was too short. Then, someone pointed out to me that he's not too short; he's taller than Drew. As you said, Colt is Colt he has a different skill set than Drew, regardless of height.

2) UT fans have been holding on to the 2005 National Championship. That's why they refuse to see that they need a new head coach. The thinking is, "Mack got us that great championship!" I've actually heard people say that more than once. It's document that NFL teams are starting to hesitate when drafting players from UT (unless it's a high-profile job like QB). The school needs a new head coach BAD, but, alumni won't see it. All they can think about is 2005.

3) Texas COULD get the "cream of the crop." And often does. The school has a national "brand" (for whatever it's worth) and can attract anyone. The problem is, once they recruit the top high school students, they don't really train them for life as a professional athlete (if that's what that student wants as a career).

I think this season is Mack Brown's last chance. If he doesn't win at least 10 games and a BCS berth (is there still a BCS?) then my guess is he's out. Texas A&M has a real shot at a national title this year, so UT boosters are probably a bit anxious to see Texas get back to dominating the state.

Blake
04-02-2013, 12:17 PM
3) Texas COULD get the "cream of the crop." And often does. The school has a national "brand" (for whatever it's worth) and can attract anyone. The problem is, once they recruit the top high school students, they don't really train them for life as a professional athlete (if that's what that student wants as a career).

Being a good to great starting QB isnt easy. I guess USC is in the same boat as UT with "undprepared QB's stubling around" in the NFL with Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Mark Sanchez, Matt Cassel. Expecting a UT "cream of the crop" athlete to be great in the NFL is ridiculous.

Nobody is saying that everything is great on the 40 acres. But assuming that Colt, who was a 3 star prospect coming to UT, is going to do great in the NFL with the amazing UT coaching is a bit much.

Hervoyel
04-02-2013, 12:22 PM
I still don't think is a bad player.

Folks are acting like he was just cut. A really good team wanted him badly enough to trade for him.

I'd take McCoy here in a second. About the same arm as Schaub, but I think he'd be able to make more off schedule plays. I think McCoy would be a good back up here. Probably better and more reliable than what we currently have.


I think a couple of years here working with our coaches would do wonders for Colt McCoy's career and wouldn't at all have been opposed to seeing him come to Houston. I don't even like the Longhorns and I can see that the single worst thing about Colt McCoy coming into the NFL was that he was going to Cleveland. He's far from perfect but QB's who go to Cleveland right out of the draft are doomed. That place is like a QB graveyard.

Mr teX
04-02-2013, 01:00 PM
Colt isnt Drew Brees. Colt is Colt. But shipping him off to Cleveland definitely put him behind the 8-ball.

Not sure what UT Alumni letting go of the 2005 National Championship has to do with anything. And Texas doesnt always get the "cream of the crop." Texas is highly competitive with LSU, aTm, Oklahoma and virtually every other school working the area.

I'm not saying they "always" get the cream of the crop, but lets be real, they attract and often land more than their fair share of these 4-5 star recruits...and UT doesn't do much to help them develop as better athletes beyond what they already were when they arrived on campus as freshman.

& yeah you're right, the same could be said for USC recently as well.

houstonspartan
04-02-2013, 02:24 PM
Being a good to great starting QB isnt easy. I guess USC is in the same boat as UT with "undprepared QB's stubling around" in the NFL with Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Mark Sanchez, Matt Cassel. Expecting a UT "cream of the crop" athlete to be great in the NFL is ridiculous.

Nobody is saying that everything is great on the 40 acres. But assuming that Colt, who was a 3 star prospect coming to UT, is going to do great in the NFL with the amazing UT coaching is a bit much.

Um, I never said anything about USC's quarterbacks. I never said anything about USC, period. We are talking about UT, not USC.

And, we're talking about overall players, NOT just QB's. UT's history is pretty solid at mediocre overall players.

But, since you want to talk about USC, USC, at the very least, occasionally spins out superstars like Clay Matthews, and decent players like Brian Cushing.

UT's history of developing professional football players is shameful.

Blake
04-02-2013, 02:45 PM
Um, I never said anything about USC's quarterbacks. I never said anything about USC, period. We are talking about UT, not USC.

And, we're talking about overall players, NOT just QB's. UT's history is pretty solid at mediocre overall players.

But, since you want to talk about USC, USC, at the very least, occasionally spins out superstars like Clay Matthews, and decent players like Brian Cushing.

UT's history of developing professional football players is shameful.

Thats all I need to know about your bias against UT. UT doesnt occasionally spin out good players? Ever heard of Jamaal Charles, Derrick Johnson, Earl Thomas, Henry Melton, Michael Griffin, Michael Huff, Jermichael Finley?

The story is about Colt's new opportunity. You couldnt help but use it as a chance to bash UT for not prepariing players enough. But if thats what floats your boat then have fun arguing that UT football is awful.

Dutchrudder
04-02-2013, 02:48 PM
Um, I never said anything about USC's quarterbacks. I never said anything about USC, period. We are talking about UT, not USC.

And, we're talking about overall players, NOT just QB's. UT's history is pretty solid at mediocre overall players.

But, since you want to talk about USC, USC, at the very least, occasionally spins out superstars like Clay Matthews, and decent players like Brian Cushing.

UT's history of developing professional football players is shameful.

Wow... I know they don't have a good track record at QB, but here's a list of guys from UT that are currently in the NFL:

Brian Orakpo
Earl Thomas
Henry Melton
Phil Dawson
Justin Tucker
Casey Hampton
Jamaal Charles
Sam Acho
Cedric Benson
Jermichael Finley
Quinten Jammer

A lot of the guys above are/were at least Probowl guys. That's a pretty good list of actives, plus all the mid-level guys I didn't list. I doubt there are that many schools that are that far ahead of them, but feel free to go look around and find how they stack up against others.

ChampionTexan
04-02-2013, 02:58 PM
Wow... I know they don't have a good track record at QB, but here's a list of guys from UT that are currently in the NFL:

Brian Orakpo
Earl Thomas
Henry Melton
Phil Dawson
Justin Tucker
Casey Hampton
Jamaal Charles
Sam Acho
Cedric Benson
Jermichael Finley
Quinten Jammer

A lot of the guys above are/were at least Probowl guys. That's a pretty good list of actives, plus all the mid-level guys I didn't list. I doubt there are that many schools that are that far ahead of them, but feel free to go look around and find how they stack up against others.

Derrick Thomas has also made a pro bowl and All Pro team.

houstonspartan
04-02-2013, 03:12 PM
Thats all I need to know about your bias against UT. UT doesnt occasionally spin out good players? Ever heard of Jamaal Charles, Derrick Johnson, Earl Thomas, Henry Melton, Michael Griffin, Michael Huff, Jermichael Finley?

The story is about Colt's new opportunity. You couldnt help but use it as a chance to bash UT for not prepariing players enough. But if thats what floats your boat then have fun arguing that UT football is awful.

Um, I don't dislike UT. I'm actually ambivalent about them. I'm just stating the facts. There's no bias on my end.

houstonspartan
04-02-2013, 03:15 PM
Wow... I know they don't have a good track record at QB, but here's a list of guys from UT that are currently in the NFL:

Brian Orakpo
Earl Thomas
Henry Melton
Phil Dawson
Justin Tucker
Casey Hampton
Jamaal Charles
Sam Acho
Cedric Benson
Jermichael Finley
Quinten Jammer

A lot of the guys above are/were at least Probowl guys. That's a pretty good list of actives, plus all the mid-level guys I didn't list. I doubt there are that many schools that are that far ahead of them, but feel free to go look around and find how they stack up against others.

Fair points. Those are all decent players. But, the truth is, Mack Brown isn't known for developing players. Even when he was at UNC, he has a rep as a outstanding recruiter, but so-so coach/developer.

Tailgate
04-02-2013, 03:19 PM
This is a GREAT move for Colt. #2 on a super bowl team with a head coach who knows how to coach QBs. Harbaugh would have not sent 2 picks for the guy had he not thought highly of Colt.

And anyone expecting much more from Colt than as quality backup in the nfl, simply had too high of expectations for him in the first place.

Dan B.
04-02-2013, 03:34 PM
According to this Pac 12 blogger Texas has the fourth most players in the NFL:

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/45123/usc-cal-among-top-10-producing-nfl-players

Dutchrudder
04-02-2013, 03:54 PM
According to this Pac 12 blogger Texas has the fourth most players in the NFL:

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/45123/usc-cal-among-top-10-producing-nfl-players

Sounds about right, I don't know how anyone could look at their players in the NFL and say the school's players haven't been successful there. Maybe it's because they are mostly defensive players who don't get as much of the spotlight as the offensive darlings the media prefer.

In any case, blaming a college coach for NFL players perceived lack of success is completely stupid. Mack Brown isn't paid to win games in the NFL, he's paid to win college games. Whatever style happens to do that best, they will employ, regardless of whether or not it prepares them for the NFL. If the kids have talent, a good work ethic and determination, they will likely be successful at the next level.

infantrycak
04-02-2013, 07:32 PM
Sounds about right, I don't know how anyone could look at their players in the NFL and say the school's players haven't been successful there. Maybe it's because they are mostly defensive players who don't get as much of the spotlight as the offensive darlings the media prefer.

I am not going to jump too far into this discussion but I will observe I have heard talking heads on multiple occasions talk about Texas players not living up to expectations. Doesn't mean not starter quality just not what was expected. I mean look at Michael Huff who just signed a journeyman contract, never has made the pro bowl and was drafted 7th. Derrick Johnson was considered underwhelming until they flipped him inside. Obviously VY. Cedric Benson was been solid but has not met expectations. So it has been discussed.

Texan_Bill
04-02-2013, 09:00 PM
I despise the Texas University!!!


BUT!!

That said, my brother-in-law is a member of UT's ring (or hall) of honor (baseball) and the multitude of Texas sports legends that that school has produced. So basically for me it's the proverbial "love - hate" thang!

There are certain Texas alums that I pull for and Colt McCoy was one of them. I'm sure he'll land on his feet and I wish him the best.

Texecutioner
04-02-2013, 09:05 PM
And, yet another unprepared UT player continues to stumble around the league...

He'll be back in Austin in 3 years, as a coach or something.

I wouldn't say that. McCoy was never thought of as that high of a prospect anywhere near how VY was. He was like a 3rd rounder or something like that, and I never thought of Colt as a great prospect, but more of a maybe kind of guy if he went to the right situation and over achieved. I thought he did over achieve in Cleveland his first year there on a horrible team. Then he didn't look so good the next season on that same horrible team with no weapons to work with and he never got a shot again. That team inherited a new coach as well during that tenure, so McCoy had everything possible against him.

I think he that SF is a great situation for him to go into where he could possibly emulate a similar style of Kapernick if he ever has to play. Colt McCoy never really got a full shot in his time in Cleveland to know to really know how well he possibly could have been. If Kapernick ever goes down for a good amount of time, we'll find out for sure. Coming into this league I always looked at COlt as mainly back up material though, but he surprised me a lot when I watched him as a rookie on the Browns.

Texecutioner
04-02-2013, 09:15 PM
I am not going to jump too far into this discussion but I will observe I have heard talking heads on multiple occasions talk about Texas players not living up to expectations. Doesn't mean not starter quality just not what was expected. I mean look at Michael Huff who just signed a journeyman contract, never has made the pro bowl and was drafted 7th. Derrick Johnson was considered underwhelming until they flipped him inside. Obviously VY. Cedric Benson was been solid but has not met expectations. So it has been discussed.

People who would say that are definitely people who aren't exactly informed well enough on their rosters from year to year to say that. Sure, Texas has had several bust players and disappointing prospects, but that is mainly due to having such a high number of high draft picks and graduates enter the NFL. We could say that about every top program practically. Texas has had a ton of productive players around the league that have held many starter roles for a while.

Aaron Ross, Michael Griffin, Quentin Jammer, Shaun Rogers, Cedrick Griffin, Jamal Charles, Priest Holmes, Ricky Williams, Tarell Brown, Earl Thomas, Ced Benson, Orakpo, Henry Melton, and etc.

Of course I could list several busts and disappointments as well. But along with a lot of others that I left off is a pretty impressive list of productive NFL players for stints at a time or long careers. Just putting it into a better perspective for folks who may forget just how many players that UT puts into the NFL.

Dutchrudder
04-02-2013, 10:38 PM
I am not going to jump too far into this discussion but I will observe I have heard talking heads on multiple occasions talk about Texas players not living up to expectations. Doesn't mean not starter quality just not what was expected. I mean look at Michael Huff who just signed a journeyman contract, never has made the pro bowl and was drafted 7th. Derrick Johnson was considered underwhelming until they flipped him inside. Obviously VY. Cedric Benson was been solid but has not met expectations. So it has been discussed.

Well if you want to go through every college team and figure out bust rates, you're welcome to do so. I don't really care to because I think they aren't that different from other schools. Feel free to present evidence to the contrary though, you'd be doing a lot more than the guy who started this discussion.

infantrycak
04-02-2013, 11:28 PM
Well if you want to go through every college team and figure out bust rates, you're welcome to do so. I don't really care to because I think they aren't that different from other schools. Feel free to present evidence to the contrary though, you'd be doing a lot more than the guy who started this discussion.

I am not near that invested in this dispute. Just providing my no vested interest observation of the comments made by national commentators. Y'all carry on now. I really don't care.

Txn_in_Oki
04-03-2013, 06:54 AM
Gud job Cote.

Yor frend,
Vince

cuppacoffee
04-03-2013, 09:48 AM
1) My reference to Drew had to do with the fact that I assumed that Colt struggled in the NFL because he was too short. Then, someone pointed out to me that he's not too short; he's taller than Drew. As you said, Colt is Colt he has a different skill set than Drew, regardless of height.

2) UT fans have been holding on to the 2005 National Championship. That's why they refuse to see that they need a new head coach. The thinking is, "Mack got us that great championship!" I've actually heard people say that more than once. It's document that NFL teams are starting to hesitate when drafting players from UT (unless it's a high-profile job like QB). The school needs a new head coach BAD, but, alumni won't see it. All they can think about is 2005.

3) Texas COULD get the "cream of the crop." And often does. The school has a national "brand" (for whatever it's worth) and can attract anyone. The problem is, once they recruit the top high school students, they don't really train them for life as a professional athlete (if that's what that student wants as a career).




Careers? Want fries with that? :lol:

Texas doesn't graduate a majority of them either.

http://www.kshb.com/dpp/sports/college_sports/big_xii_coverage/graduation-rates-listed-for-big-12

Use em' up, move em' out.

:coffee:

Lucky
04-03-2013, 10:12 AM
This is a GREAT move for Colt. #2 on a super bowl team with a head coach who knows how to coach QBs. Harbaugh would have not sent 2 picks for the guy had he not thought highly of Colt.
McCoy has experience in the zone read offense the Niners like to run with Kaepernick. So, he has a chance there. And I think Harbaugh is one of the premier QB developers in the league. Still, I think the Niners will bring in another QB in the draft to compete. Scott from Arizona is a possibility.

Tailgate
04-03-2013, 12:55 PM
McCoy has experience in the zone read offense the Niners like to run with Kaepernick. So, he has a chance there. And I think Harbaugh is one of the premier QB developers in the league. Still, I think the Niners will bring in another QB in the draft to compete. Scott from Arizona is a possibility.

Most likely. Mainly due to Colt only having 1 yr left on his deal imo.

SteveSlaton20
04-03-2013, 09:24 PM
2) UT fans have been holding on to the 2005 National Championship. That's why they refuse to see that they need a new head coach. The thinking is, "Mack got us that great championship!" I've actually heard people say that more than once. It's document that NFL teams are starting to hesitate when drafting players from UT (unless it's a high-profile job like QB). The school needs a new head coach BAD, but, alumni won't see it. All they can think about is 2005.

Who in the heck have you been talking to that think Mack Brown is still a great coach?

The only people who are holding onto the 2005 championship are the ones that are in charge, Deloss Dodds and rich donors.

Vinny
04-04-2013, 09:24 AM
my opinion (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1985222&postcount=2) of Colt (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1985468&postcount=8) hasn't changed. I think he makes a good back up. If the starter goes down you have a smart, short term plug...anything more than that, and you are looking for a qb. It's like having Gary Kubiak as your backup. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

steelbtexan
04-04-2013, 10:05 AM
McCoy has experience in the zone read offense the Niners like to run with Kaepernick. So, he has a chance there. And I think Harbaugh is one of the premier QB developers in the league. Still, I think the Niners will bring in another QB in the draft to compete. Scott from Arizona is a possibility.

I've heard that Harghbaugh really likes Scott Tolzien. But since the 49ers are a SB contender he wanted a QB (Colt) that has some experience in case Kaepernick goes down.

htownfan32
04-04-2013, 01:48 PM
Who in the heck have you been talking to that think Mack Brown is still a great coach?

The only people who are holding onto the 2005 championship are the ones that are in charge, Deloss Dodds and rich donors.

Nope, even my Longhorn family members think Mack Brown is a terrible coach. Great recruiter, though. Johnny Manziel would have been a great DB :kitten:
Only poking fun :P I love y'all Longhorns, hope we can play again sometime soon.