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badboy
03-30-2013, 05:19 PM
I am not sold on Reed moving to ILB but either way, Texans will probably draft OLB in top 3 rounds. Last draft it was with pick one (Mercilus). If Reed does not move, tell me what you think we need to replace Bradie James. Will another scrub vet be the direction Phillips goes or will he want a top three round draft selection.

IMO if we draft by round three we could go with a round 4 or after ILB. I like
Klein or Beauharnais in 5th and think he would do well beside Cush and behind Brandon Williams. Also the addition of Ed Reed would make the transition smoother for a late round guy.

The Pencil Neck
03-30-2013, 06:33 PM
I am not sold on Reed moving to ILB but either way, Texans will probably draft OLB in top 3 rounds. Last draft it was with pick one (Mercilus). If Reed does not move, tell me what you think we need to replace Bradie James. Will another scrub vet be the direction Phillips goes or will he want a top three round draft selection.

IMO if we draft by round three we could go with a round 4 or after ILB. I like
Klein or Beauharnais in 5th and think he would do well beside Cush and behind Brandon Williams. Also the addition of Ed Reed would make the transition smoother for a late round guy.

I expect us to draft ILB and pick up a vet or two at ILB. If they don't get any other nibbles, I wouldn't be surprised if we sign Dobbins, James, and Ruud and give them a chance to play for a spot.

I'm expecting us to go Bostic or Klein in rounds 3-5.

It's funny. During the season, I was hoping Te'o would fall to us. Now I'm sure he will but I'm not sure if we want to draft either him or Minter in the 1st. And that's what I was hoping we'd do prior to the whole imaginary girlfriend thing.

badboy
03-30-2013, 06:39 PM
Yeah I even had a thread asking about T'eo @ 27 but think ILB is much lower on our need list than many do. I wished I had seen more of Ruud.

Hottoddie
03-30-2013, 08:48 PM
I'm of the opinion that we move Reed to ILB & take one of the stud NT's with our 1st, preferably Hankins if he drops to us. Otherwise, I look to trade down into the early 2nd & take Jenkins out of Georgia. My thinking is that this move will plug up the middle & stop/slow down the runs up the middle.

I'm going WR in the 2nd & hoping that Brandon Jenkins falls to us in the 3rd.

Too bad things rarely fall the way you want them to.

badboy
03-30-2013, 08:51 PM
I'm of the opinion that we move Reed to ILB & take one of the stud NT's with our 1st, preferably Hankins if he drops to us. Otherwise, I look to trade down into the early 2nd & take Jenkins out of Georgia. My thinking is that this move will plug up the middle & stop/slow down the runs up the middle.

I'm going WR in the 2nd & hoping that Brandon Jenkins falls to us in the 3rd.

Too bad things rarely fall the way you want them to.Do you mean Brandon Williams? Or John Jenkins I guess as he plays for Georgia. Took me a minute.

Hottoddie
03-30-2013, 08:53 PM
Do you mean Brandon Williams?

No. Brandon Jenkins (OLB) Florida St.

badboy
03-30-2013, 09:00 PM
No. Brandon Jenkins (OLB) Florida St.He's rated 120 so probably there.

Hottoddie
03-30-2013, 09:00 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664503/brandon-jenkins

Number19
03-30-2013, 09:00 PM
When discussing ILB, Wade's defense and the way he plays his LB's has to be part of the discussion. Unless they change things up, Cushing plays the strong side ILB position. Wade will typically blitz this LB 20-25% of the time, but he will also cover underneath in the zone. The weak side ILB position will blitz only about 5 - 10% of the time, but he will have more cover responsibility, having responsibility for the middle of the field in zone.

Ideally, and for the team to really improve defensively, we need a weak side ILB who will be a three down player.

Both Bostic and Klein had respectable production in coverage. I'd also add Klein's teammate, Jake Knott, to the shortlist of possibilities who will be available in the mid-rounds. The draft is deep at this position and we should have an excellent opportunity to upgrade.

badboy
03-30-2013, 09:04 PM
When discussing ILB, Wade's defense and the way he plays his LB's has to be part of the discussion. Unless they change things up, Cushing plays the strong side ILB position. Wade will typically blitz this LB 20-25% of the time, but he will also cover underneath in the zone. The weak side ILB position will blitz only about 5 - 10% of the time, but he will have more cover responsibility, having responsibility for the middle of the field in zone.

Ideally, and for the team to really improve defensively, we need a weak side ILB who will be a three down player.

Both Bostic and Klein had respectable production in coverage. I'd also add Klein's teammate, Jake Knott, to the shortlist of possibilities who will be available in the mid-rounds. The draft is deep at this position and we should have an excellent opportunity to upgrade.I really like Klein and he is a tackler also. He's my 5th unless I trade it up.

silentassassin
03-30-2013, 10:46 PM
I am not sold on Reed moving to ILB but either way, Texans will probably draft OLB in top 3 rounds. Last draft it was with pick one (Mercilus). If Reed does not move, tell me what you think we need to replace Bradie James. Will another scrub vet be the direction Phillips goes or will he want a top three round draft selection.

IMO if we draft by round three we could go with a round 4 or after ILB. I like
Klein or Beauharnais in 5th and think he would do well beside Cush and behind Brandon Williams. Also the addition of Ed Reed would make the transition smoother for a late round guy.

Reed is staying at OLB(at least according to Pancakes): https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/312325604630462465

Makes me think it would come down to looking at ILBs in the draft over OLBs; but they could certainly use depth on the outside again.

2slik4u
03-30-2013, 10:48 PM
I am not sold on Reed moving to ILB but either way, Texans will probably draft OLB in top 3 rounds. Last draft it was with pick one (Mercilus). If Reed does not move, tell me what you think we need to replace Bradie James. Will another scrub vet be the direction Phillips goes or will he want a top three round draft selection.

IMO if we draft by round three we could go with a round 4 or after ILB. I like
Klein or Beauharnais in 5th and think he would do well beside Cush and behind Brandon Williams. Also the addition of Ed Reed would make the transition smoother for a late round guy.

I'm on board with reed at ILB. Athletic and can tackle. That will force us to take an OLB with a high pick which I'm always behind. Can never have too many pass rushers and Reed wasn't exactly impressing with his skills at that position.

Braman, Mercilus, and draft pick will make a great rotation IMO.

See QB. Get QB. Do sack dance. Congrats. I just wrote those guys' play book for next season.

bobbeaux
03-31-2013, 01:11 AM
I expect us to draft ILB and pick up a vet or two at ILB. If they don't get any other nibbles, I wouldn't be surprised if we sign Dobbins, James, and Ruud and give them a chance to play for a spot.

I'm expecting us to go Bostic or Klein in rounds 3-5.

It's funny. During the season, I was hoping Te'o would fall to us. Now I'm sure he will but I'm not sure if we want to draft either him or Minter in the 1st. And that's what I was hoping we'd do prior to the whole imaginary girlfriend thing.

i wouldn't mind bostic and i'd like dobbins and rudd back as well . . . ;)

i've been leaning towards ilb in the 1st and had been eyeing ogletree or minter . . . i just don't see the value in a wr at 27 when we can get the same quality with our 2nd . . . robert wood keeps catching my attention.

we are in a pretty good position to where we can take bpa of need . . . trading out of the 1st for another 2nd+ would be the way to go if we can find a partner . . . i can't figure out what wade likes at nt so i really can't tell you when he might take 1 . . . they are liable to go fast in the 1st, but we could find value in the 3rd . . . and a safety in the 1st 4 picks is needed for depth . . . so my best value draft would be:

s or ilb (although if the right nt fell)
wr
s or ilb
nt

btw, i don't see reed moving inside full time which takes away the need for the starter there.

EllisUnit
03-31-2013, 09:38 AM
I liked Ruud when he was in last year, the guy is in his prime and he played pretty well against the run and the pass last year IMO.

Goldensilence
03-31-2013, 10:28 AM
Even if Reed does bump inside at ILB or still stays at OLB, we'd need to address either position in the first 3 rounds IMO.

Personally I'd rather just keep Reed outside, he's already made the transition to the OLB position.

I also thought Merciless showed some nice flashes as he got more PT as the season wore on.

dream_team
03-31-2013, 10:39 AM
Ideally, and for the team to really improve defensively, we need a weak side ILB who will be a three down player.

Why do you say this? Both Demeco & Bradie was the guy replaced when we went nickel or dime. Are you suggesting Wade change up his defense on passing downs?

maddogmrb
03-31-2013, 02:19 PM
I would like to see Braman get a shot at ILB. I don't know if he can make it or not but, he seems to have the motor and attitude to make a good one.

mussop
03-31-2013, 03:29 PM
Why do you say this? Both Demeco & Bradie was the guy replaced when we went nickel or dime. Are you suggesting Wade change up his defense on passing downs?

Wade's only been here for two years. What makes you think Wade wasn't just playing the cards he was dealt? I think letting Quin walk and the signing of Reed shows there is going to be a change in philosophy on defense. Depending on who else we add via FA and the draft it could really change.

pec0sb0b
03-31-2013, 03:46 PM
Bear with me for a moment...Dug up this great article I read last year about team use of defensive formations. It's worth a look to get a statistical view of the Texans' use of defensive players. Texans don't use a nickel much (2% of defensive snaps in 2011, Phillips' first season with the Texans). In fact they were in the dime almost 40% of the time in 2011. Haven't seen stats for 2012, but I believe they would show the same trend. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/04/11/fantasy-defensive-personnel-packages-%E2%80%93-part-1/

On passing downs they brought in McCain as the third corner and Demps as the third safety, then brought Quin down into what would be the WILB spot in a nickel 2-4-5, using him as a small linebacker, but in a dime package. So it's kind of a nickel, sort of a dime.

In 2011 when they switched to the 3-4, their options at WILB were Ryans, Cushing or Sharpton, none of whom could be considered great in coverage, although Cushing has progressed a great deal since. Increasing use of big tight ends as receivers across the middle of the field is forcing defensive coordinators to look for bigger defenders to cover them. Phillips solution was to use Quin in this nickel-dime hybrid. It worked well in 2011, but then not so well in 2012 as Cushing and Sharpton both spent most of the season on injured reserve. The only players they had on the roster at ILB were run-stoppers, James, Sharpton, Dobbins, Ruud, Alexander. Not a good coverage man in the bunch.

Now Ed Reed has replaced Quin. Reed's not suited for run support or taking on tight-ends in man coverage. His tackling skills are not what they once were, the nerve-impingement issue with his neck, etc. He is suited to play ball-hawk deep in center-field, so Phillips must have a plan to balance his defense. Another safety is probably in the works. I read speculation they might draft at corner instead and move Harris to safety. They could re-sign Demps.

Brooks Reed could be moved to WILB in the base 3-4, but I think would rotate back outside on passing downs. He's a converted 4-3 DE who made an acceptable, not great, transition to 3-4 SOLB. I think it's a bit much to ask him to cover tight ends in the nickel. Moving Brooks Reed would also mean drafting or signing a starting SOLB for the base 3-4 package, assuming Mercilus become the starter at WOLB. Remember then that the defense is in the dime forty percent of the time and then you have either Reed or the new starting SOLB on the bench on passing downs.

If Phillips has indeed been using the dime in preference to the nickel for the last two seasons because he didn't have a viable WILB, then drafting/developing a WILB with cover skills would allow him to use a nickel 2-4-5 instead of falling straight to the dime. Going into the 2013 draft the biggest hole in the defense is at WILB.

dream_team
03-31-2013, 04:50 PM
Wade's only been here for two years. What makes you think Wade wasn't just playing the cards he was dealt? I think letting Quin walk and the signing of Reed shows there is going to be a change in philosophy on defense. Depending on who else we add via FA and the draft it could really change.

Fair enough. But when we go dime (6 db's), who are the two players from our base package coming out? It's typically the NT and one ILB.

Texan_Bill
03-31-2013, 06:32 PM
Reed is staying at OLB(at least according to Pancakes): https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/312325604630462465

Makes me think it would come down to looking at ILBs in the draft over OLBs; but they could certainly use depth on the outside again.

That coming from "Pancakes" it's almost an absolute that Reed will move inside.

steelbtexan
03-31-2013, 06:56 PM
Fair enough. But when we go dime (6 db's), who are the two players from our base package coming out? It's typically the NT and one ILB.

Not if Short is the Texans 1st rd pick.

I would be extremely happy if Klein and Knott were the 4-5th rd picks.

The Pencil Neck
03-31-2013, 07:06 PM
That coming from "Pancakes" it's almost an absolute that Reed will move inside.

If Pancakes says they're leaving Brooks at OLB and not moving him to ILB, then they're moving him down to DE.

Texan_Bill
03-31-2013, 07:44 PM
If Pancakes says they're leaving Brooks at OLB and not moving him to ILB, then they're moving him down to DE.

:spit:

Sooooo, in other words, "if Pancakes" says it, there is more than a good chance that Reed will be our nickel corner, no?? :D

Lurvinator11
03-31-2013, 07:57 PM
:spit:

Sooooo, in other words, "if Pancakes" says it, there is more than a good chance that Reed will be our nickel corner, no?? :D

Let me reiterate for you.

If Pancakes says he is going to be our OLB, it means Reed will be our Head Coach next season.

:kitten:

76Texan
04-01-2013, 10:01 AM
When discussing ILB, Wade's defense and the way he plays his LB's has to be part of the discussion. Unless they change things up, Cushing plays the strong side ILB position. Wade will typically blitz this LB 20-25% of the time, but he will also cover underneath in the zone. The weak side ILB position will blitz only about 5 - 10% of the time, but he will have more cover responsibility, having responsibility for the middle of the field in zone.

Ideally, and for the team to really improve defensively, we need a weak side ILB who will be a three down player.

Both Bostic and Klein had respectable production in coverage. I'd also add Klein's teammate, Jake Knott, to the shortlist of possibilities who will be available in the mid-rounds. The draft is deep at this position and we should have an excellent opportunity to upgrade.
In 2011, Cushing played WILB about 40% of the time, but he was moved there on a more FT basis in 2012, at least 60% of the time.
It was Wade's plan from the beginning of the season.

The Texans will probably be looking for a MIKE, if they decide to draft one.

76Texan
04-01-2013, 10:14 AM
I am not sold on Reed moving to ILB but either way, Texans will probably draft OLB in top 3 rounds. Last draft it was with pick one (Mercilus). If Reed does not move, tell me what you think we need to replace Bradie James. Will another scrub vet be the direction Phillips goes or will he want a top three round draft selection.

IMO if we draft by round three we could go with a round 4 or after ILB. I like
Klein or Beauharnais in 5th and think he would do well beside Cush and behind Brandon Williams. Also the addition of Ed Reed would make the transition smoother for a late round guy.


Ideally, and for the team to really improve defensively, we need a weak side ILB who will be a three down player.

Both Bostic and Klein had respectable production in coverage. I'd also add Klein's teammate, Jake Knott, to the shortlist of possibilities.


Those guys deserve considerations; I like Sio Moore better both on tapes (he also had good weeks at the Shrine game and the Senior Bowl) and at the combine.

This guy really can play at any of the four LB spots.
He can run with TEs and RBs, even with some slots, too.
He was used everywhere at UConn and played well at each and all spots; extremely versatile.

http://nflsfuture.com/2013/03/08/sio-moore-scouting-report/

badboy
04-01-2013, 10:27 AM
I'm on board with reed at ILB. Athletic and can tackle. That will force us to take an OLB with a high pick which I'm always behind. Can never have too many pass rushers and Reed wasn't exactly impressing with his skills at that position.

Braman, Mercilus, and draft pick will make a great rotation IMO.

See QB. Get QB. Do sack dance. Congrats. I just wrote those guys' play book for next season.Bolded is why I can see a rookie starting across from one season Mercilus. A rookie Nose on this line also could fit in. I think a vet ILB will start but lower round ILB will be drafted.

badboy
04-01-2013, 10:34 AM
i wouldn't mind bostic and i'd like dobbins and rudd back as well . . . ;)

i've been leaning towards ilb in the 1st and had been eyeing ogletree or minter . . . i just don't see the value in a wr at 27 when we can get the same quality with our 2nd . . . robert wood keeps catching my attention.

we are in a pretty good position to where we can take bpa of need . . . trading out of the 1st for another 2nd+ would be the way to go if we can find a partner . . . i can't figure out what wade likes at nt so i really can't tell you when he might take 1 . . . they are liable to go fast in the 1st, but we could find value in the 3rd . . . and a safety in the 1st 4 picks is needed for depth . . . so my best value draft would be:

s or ilb (although if the right nt fell)
wr
s or ilb
nt

btw, i don't see reed moving inside full time which takes away the need for the starter there.May take away need for starter but not necessarily picking OLB in first as we did last draft.

badboy
04-01-2013, 10:37 AM
Those guys deserve considerations; I like Sio Moore better both on tapes (he also had good weeks at the Shrine game and the Senior Bowl) and at the combine.

This guy really can play at any of the four LB spots.
He can run with TEs and RBs, even with some slots, too.
He was used everywhere at UConn and played well at each and all spots; extremely versatile.

http://nflsfuture.com/2013/03/08/sio-moore-scouting-report/
Moore is good candidate and would be there @ 57. Three Amigos are discussing him.

Rey
04-01-2013, 10:39 AM
I'm worried about Brooks and merci at olb. That duo doesn't excite me. I need to see more from merciless. I didn't see him show the ability to beat blocks last season or in college really. Reed to me rushes like a good pass rushing dt. That's his pass rush style IMO.

I personally don't think merciless, barwin nor reed are hood pass rushers. I think merciless has the most potential there simply because he's quicker than the other two, but meh....

We need another guy out there, or we need to seriously consider letting braman get some real pass rushing attempts. If we roll reed and merciless out there, our pass rush is going to be about the same as last year. Maybe a little better, nothing to write home about.

76Texan
04-01-2013, 10:52 AM
I'm worried about Brooks and merci at olb. That duo doesn't excite me. I need to see more from merciless. I didn't see him show the ability to beat blocks last season or in college really. Reed to me rushes like a good pass rushing dt. That's his pass rush style IMO.

I personally don't think merciless, barwin nor reed are hood pass rushers. I think merciless has the most potential there simply because he's quicker than the other two, but meh....

We need another guy out there, or we need to seriously consider letting braman get some real pass rushing attempts. If we roll reed and merciless out there, our pass rush is going to be about the same as last year. Maybe a little better, nothing to write home about.Is Shaun Phillips still available?
Would you consider him?
If so, for how long and how much ?

Rey
04-01-2013, 11:03 AM
Is Shaun Phillips still available?
Would you consider him?
If so, for how long and how much ?

Honestly, I don't know. I haven't seen him play in a while tbh.

But if he's got anything left I'd consider a two year deal, but not really sure on the money...


Hindsight is 20/20, but it would have been nice a couple years ago to package Mario and whatever else to acquire denvers pick and grab Von miller while keeping our own pick and still having watt.

I know, I know....unrealistic but it's fun to think about..:drool:

76Texan
04-01-2013, 11:27 AM
Is Shaun Phillips still available?
Would you consider him?
If so, for how long and how much ?

Honestly, I don't know. I haven't seen him play in a while tbh.

But if he's got anything left I'd consider a two year deal, but not really sure on the money...


Hindsight is 20/20, but it would have been nice a couple years ago to package Mario and whatever else to acquire denvers pick and grab Von miller while keeping our own pick and still having watt.

I know, I know....unrealistic but it's fun to think about..:drool:

9.5 sacks last year.

Probably his last contract; perhaps 3.5-4M per for 2-3 years, just my guess.

Rey
04-01-2013, 12:01 PM
9.5 sacks last year.

Probably his last contract; perhaps 3.5-4M per for 2-3 years, just my guess.

Off of production alone...yes...I'd bring him in.

Seems like he'd be a really good addition for multiple reasons...

Number19
04-01-2013, 05:53 PM
Why do you say this? Both Demeco & Bradie was the guy replaced when we went nickel or dime. Are you suggesting Wade change up his defense on passing downs?Last season we were beaten up by the new breed of large & quick TE coming across into the shallow middle zone. We were also taken advantage of by the faster paced teams when we were just a bit slow with our substitutions. By having a larger LB ( say 6'-2", 250 lbs, running in the 4.6 range ) we match up better against these TE's, while giving Wade more flexibility in his defensive calls. I get a feeling that Wade hasn't quite had the personnel to fully execute his defense and this would be improved by a three down ILB.

A large ,strong, fast SS who could play in the box and who could help seal the middle against the run would also help.

All defenses have a weak spot which can be attacked. Wade's 1-gap 34 defense has it's weak spot right up the middle and this is where we need the most improvement.

Number19
04-01-2013, 06:27 PM
In 2011, Cushing played WILB about 40% of the time, but he was moved there on a more FT basis in 2012, at least 60% of the time.
It was Wade's plan from the beginning of the season.

The Texans will probably be looking for a MIKE, if they decide to draft one.Thanks for clearing this up. I did read that DeMeco played the weakside because he was not a strong pass rusher; and Cushing was on the strongside. Of course Wade will change things up, but I would love to have Cushing rushing up the middle.

thunderkyss
04-02-2013, 10:22 AM
I am not sold on Reed moving to ILB but either way, Texans will probably draft OLB in top 3 rounds. Last draft it was with pick one (Mercilus). If Reed does not move, tell me what you think we need to replace Bradie James. Will another scrub vet be the direction Phillips goes or will he want a top three round draft selection.

IMO if we draft by round three we could go with a round 4 or after ILB. I like
Klein or Beauharnais in 5th and think he would do well beside Cush and behind Brandon Williams. Also the addition of Ed Reed would make the transition smoother for a late round guy.

IMO, we need to find a place where Reed can shine. He's a second round pick. He is not a pass rusher, so we really don't need him taking the majority of his snaps on the line.

Move him back, next to Cushing & give him an opportunity to make more plays. Like Cuhsing, he was the Strongside LB. In a 3-4 as opposed to a 4-3, but they play pretty much the same. Moving Reed would be like moving Cushing. But since he's not scraping at the line with TEs or slot receivers, he should fare a little better.

On passing downs, we can put him back on the line like a 4-3 DE if his replacement isn't up to snuff. But we need to find another pass rusher, just in case we've already seen the best of Whitney Merciless.

Heck, I'd probably rather see Mr. Alexander or Sharpton play the SOLB position on 1st & 2nd downs than Reed, along with drafting an outside pass rusher, because Reed ain't an outside pass rusher.

thunderkyss
04-02-2013, 10:30 AM
I'm worried about Brooks and merci at olb. That duo doesn't excite me. I need to see more from merciless. I didn't see him show the ability to beat blocks last season or in college really. Reed to me rushes like a good pass rushing dt. That's his pass rush style IMO.

I personally don't think merciless, barwin nor reed are hood pass rushers. I think merciless has the most potential there simply because he's quicker than the other two, but meh....

We need another guy out there, or we need to seriously consider letting braman get some real pass rushing attempts. If we roll reed and merciless out there, our pass rush is going to be about the same as last year. Maybe a little better, nothing to write home about.

Totally agree with this post.... well except that Merci, Barwin, or Reed aren't hood pass rushers... I don't know what they did in the hood.

:kitten:

But we definitely need to find an outside pass rusher. I want a WR or even a OG (LG specifically) so badly, but if we get a pass rusher in the first, I won't be mad.

thunderkyss
04-02-2013, 10:33 AM
Last season we were beaten up by the new breed of large & quick TE coming across into the shallow middle zone. We were also taken advantage of by the faster paced teams when we were just a bit slow with our substitutions. By having a larger LB ( say 6'-2", 250 lbs, running in the 4.6 range ) we match up better against these TE's, while giving Wade more flexibility in his defensive calls. I get a feeling that Wade hasn't quite had the personnel to fully execute his defense and this would be improved by a three down ILB.

A large ,strong, fast SS who could play in the box and who could help seal the middle against the run would also help.

All defenses have a weak spot which can be attacked. Wade's 1-gap 34 defense has it's weak spot right up the middle and this is where we need the most improvement.

Glover Quin is 6'0" 207 lbs.... probably runs in the 4.6-4.5 range. I think a 6-2 220lb linebacker that runs a 4.6 would be ideal. If he can turn his hips like a DB that is. He'll have to turn & run with these TEs.

76Texan
04-02-2013, 10:54 AM
Quin ran a 4.49

dream_team
04-02-2013, 12:15 PM
Last season we were beaten up by the new breed of large & quick TE coming across into the shallow middle zone. We were also taken advantage of by the faster paced teams when we were just a bit slow with our substitutions. By having a larger LB ( say 6'-2", 250 lbs, running in the 4.6 range ) we match up better against these TE's, while giving Wade more flexibility in his defensive calls. I get a feeling that Wade hasn't quite had the personnel to fully execute his defense and this would be improved by a three down ILB.

A large ,strong, fast SS who could play in the box and who could help seal the middle against the run would also help.

All defenses have a weak spot which can be attacked. Wade's 1-gap 34 defense has it's weak spot right up the middle and this is where we need the most improvement.

I don't really recall us having big problems against defending tight ends last season. Aaron Hernandez had decent games, but nothing spectacular. I thought GQ and Manning did a good job covering TEs. In fact, football outsiders ranked us 4th in the league against opposing tight ends.

GP
04-02-2013, 03:14 PM
I would like to see Braman get a shot at ILB. I don't know if he can make it or not but, he seems to have the motor and attitude to make a good one.

At WTAMU, the d-coord had Braman playing everywhere but CB and S.

He'd be a DE on play, then on the other side as an OLB. He wreaked havoc no matter where he was placed.

The thing about Braman is that he wears down opposing linemen. In the Texans-Jets preseason game in 2011, and I know it wasn't against 1st teamers but still...Braman wore his OLineman out to the point that Braman was getting to the QB a lot at the end of the game.

Something that could never be said of Connor Barwin.

I don't know if Braman will ever be used for more than ST, though. I wish he'd get more chances at LB, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

drs23
04-02-2013, 04:46 PM
At WTAMU, the d-coord had Braman playing everywhere but CB and S.

He'd be a DE on play, then on the other side as an OLB. He wreaked havoc no matter where he was placed.

The thing about Braman is that he wears down opposing linemen. In the Texans-Jets preseason game in 2011, and I know it wasn't against 1st teamers but still...Braman wore his OLineman out to the point that Braman was getting to the QB a lot at the end of the game.

Something that could never be said of Connor Barwin.

I don't know if Braman will ever be used for more than ST, though. I wish he'd get more chances at LB, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I know you're pretty high on him GP as was his former coach(?) that put a bug in Rick's/Wade's ear to give him a chance. He's been killer on teams. The only negative I've heard/read about his play is he needs more experience.

How does one acquire this so called "experience"? :thinking:

thunderkyss
04-02-2013, 08:26 PM
Quin ran a 4.49

My mistake.


Don't know why I thought he was in the 4.5 range.

badboy
04-02-2013, 10:47 PM
Totally agree with this post.... well except that Merci, Barwin, or Reed aren't hood pass rushers... I don't know what they did in the hood.

:kitten:

But we definitely need to find an outside pass rusher. I want a WR or even a OG (LG specifically) so badly, but if we get a pass rusher in the first, I won't be mad.I think we will find Wade Smith spending his last season at LG with Brooks @ RG. In '14 Brooks will move to LG and we will draft OG for right. Hint, we might select OT later this month that could also play RG.

ObsiWan
04-03-2013, 02:06 AM
Quin ran a 4.49

My mistake.


Don't know why I thought he was in the 4.5 range.

As another of our posters might point out, that's his shorts & T-shirt time. How fast does he PLAY?

otisbean
04-03-2013, 04:08 AM
Those guys deserve considerations; I like Sio Moore better both on tapes (he also had good weeks at the Shrine game and the Senior Bowl) and at the combine.

This guy really can play at any of the four LB spots.
He can run with TEs and RBs, even with some slots, too.
He was used everywhere at UConn and played well at each and all spots; extremely versatile.

http://nflsfuture.com/2013/03/08/sio-moore-scouting-report/

I like Moore quite a bit as well. I really like his versatility, as you mentioned. I'm also a big fan of Collins for the same reason. Hell, I'd love to add both Moore and Collins. We HAVE to improve our pass rush or we'll never beat the top teams in the AFC

otisbean
04-03-2013, 04:09 AM
I'm worried about Brooks and merci at olb. That duo doesn't excite me. I need to see more from merciless. I didn't see him show the ability to beat blocks last season or in college really. Reed to me rushes like a good pass rushing dt. That's his pass rush style IMO.

I personally don't think merciless, barwin nor reed are hood pass rushers. I think merciless has the most potential there simply because he's quicker than the other two, but meh....

We need another guy out there, or we need to seriously consider letting braman get some real pass rushing attempts. If we roll reed and merciless out there, our pass rush is going to be about the same as last year. Maybe a little better, nothing to write home about.

Agree 100%

IDEXAN
04-03-2013, 08:25 AM
We will wait until atleast the 3rd round to draft a ILB.

GP
04-03-2013, 09:51 AM
I know you're pretty high on him GP as was his former coach(?) that put a bug in Rick's/Wade's ear to give him a chance. He's been killer on teams. The only negative I've heard/read about his play is he needs more experience.

How does one acquire this so called "experience"? :thinking:

I watched him play for two years here in Canyon, TX, during his days at WTAMU.

You'd have to find him every play because he was always somewhere different every down. He would just blow plays up...QBs getting sacked before they even had time to set up, RBs getting rolled as they tried to make the edge, knifing through the interior and stuffing a run play in the backfield, covering TEs.

I think this is his 3rd year here. If the Texans don't rework a deal to add a season or two to his contract, I think he'll make a nice payday as a FA after 2014.

I don't know if he'll ever crack into our rotation more, but it's obvious he's a lock to make the roster every year. UDFAs who stick year after year, you can't help but really admire a player like him for working his way into an NFL team.

Rey
04-03-2013, 10:04 AM
Texans need to give Braman some meaningful snaps this year if he comes into the season prepared and ready.

Guys with that much ability, that play with that much passion and abandonment should get a chance to showcase their skills on more than just special teams.

I honestly believe he could be the best pass rusher we have on the team right now.

Lucky
04-03-2013, 10:21 AM
I don't know if Braman will ever be used for more than ST, though. I wish he'd get more chances at LB, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I'm pretty much with you on that. One problem could be that Braman is strictly a speed rusher, and doesn't have the strength to disengage from a good pass blocker. I know that the Texans have had difficulty beefing him up. Possibly due to his bad chompers (which I believe have been fixed). If Braman can get stronger this offseason, I think the Texans may have a secret pass rushing weapon in 2013.

ILB? I'm wondering what the Texans think about K-State's Arthur Brown. I've seen him in a lot of mocks going late 1st round. LSU's Minter also improved on his 40 time at his pro day, so he is probably back in the late 1st round picture. That the Texans haven't looked at ILB yet makes me think they will look for a solution in the draft.

thunderkyss
04-03-2013, 12:56 PM
Texans need to give Braman some meaningful snaps this year if he comes into the season prepared and ready.

Guys with that much ability, that play with that much passion and abandonment should get a chance to showcase their skills on more than just special teams.

I honestly believe he could be the best pass rusher we have on the team right now.

It'd be great if he could be our Clay Matthews. I don't think Matthews over speeds, or out muscles his opponent. He just outsmarts him. Sets him up to the outside, goes inside. Sets him up inside, goes outside. Gets him off balance, then clocks him... very smart pass rusher.

76Texan
04-03-2013, 02:38 PM
I'm pretty much with you on that. One problem could be that Braman is strictly a speed rusher, and doesn't have the strength to disengage from a good pass blocker. I know that the Texans have had difficulty beefing him up. Possibly due to his bad chompers (which I believe have been fixed). If Braman can get stronger this offseason, I think the Texans may have a secret pass rushing weapon in 2013.

ILB? I'm wondering what the Texans think about K-State's Arthur Brown. I've seen him in a lot of mocks going late 1st round. LSU's Minter also improved on his 40 time at his pro day, so he is probably back in the late 1st round picture. That the Texans haven't looked at ILB yet makes me think they will look for a solution in the draft.

Brown's measurables are very similar to Daryl Sharpton's.
Their playing weight were around the low 230s, with Brown about 1/2 an inch taller.
He bulked up for the draft to about 240 (as compared to 236 for Sharpton.)

They test about the same; their college productions are about the same; their tapes look about the same.
Actually, Sharpton was better at taking on blockers and was in man coverage much more often whereas Brown was mostly a hole/curl, curl/flat defender.

I see little value with Brown in the first.

srrono
04-03-2013, 03:16 PM
Do you guys think GB OLB new contract which is said to be over 13 mil a year is going to lead to Cushing leaving?

I know Cushing is a ILB which is normally paid lower than OLB but being Cushing to the Texans is as important as Mathews is too GB? I am sure Cushing will be looking to be highest paid ILB in history.

I would not be surprised if the Texans draft a ILB in the 1st round with that position being a need and to cover the potential loss of Cushing.

badboy
04-03-2013, 03:26 PM
Do you guys think GB OLB new contract which is said to be over 13 mil a year is going to lead to Cushing leaving?

I know Cushing is a ILB which is normally paid lower than OLB but being Cushing to the Texans is as important as Mathews is too GB? I am sure Cushing will be looking to be highest paid ILB in history.

I would not be surprised if the Texans draft a ILB in the 1st round with that position being a need and to cover the potential loss of Cushing.I think we should look to new contracts/extensions recently signed by Brown, Foster and Schaub. High dollar but good for team and player. None were highest in history. Love Cush but he needs to have a fantastic year.

Wolf6151
04-05-2013, 07:37 AM
Do you guys think GB OLB new contract which is said to be over 13 mil a year is going to lead to Cushing leaving?

I know Cushing is a ILB which is normally paid lower than OLB but being Cushing to the Texans is as important as Mathews is too GB? I am sure Cushing will be looking to be highest paid ILB in history.

I would not be surprised if the Texans draft a ILB in the 1st round with that position being a need and to cover the potential loss of Cushing.

If I'm Rick Smith, I'd be very cautious re-signing Cushing because of his injury and PED history. I think both are factors that work in the Texans favor when/if the Texans re-sign Cushing, and the fact that ILB is a lesser paid position than OLB. It sucks that in the modern salary cap era of the NFL a team can't always re-sign the players that they draft and build. Just like losing Barwin and Quin sucked, Cushing may be a salary cap casualty. Remember Watt will be getting a new contract in a couple years and I imagine it will be huge. Rick is probably already looking down the road and positioning the team financially for that contract.

76Texan
04-05-2013, 08:43 AM
If I'm Rick Smith, I'd be very cautious re-signing Cushing because of his injury and PED history. I think both are factors that work in the Texans favor when/if the Texans re-sign Cushing, and the fact that ILB is a lesser paid position than OLB. It sucks that in the modern salary cap era of the NFL a team can't always re-sign the players that they draft and build. Just like losing Barwin and Quin sucked, Cushing may be a salary cap casualty. Remember Watt will be getting a new contract in a couple years and I imagine it will be huge. Rick is probably already looking down the road and positioning the team financially for that contract.

People may think I'm crazy, but I think it's best to trade away players that are not the number one guy on either of your offensive or defensive unit, unless he has no red flag or just too good to let go.

The talents that come out of college are plenty.
Guys are bigger, faster, stronger, quicker, can jump higher, etc.
Use the acquired pick(s) to either stock up talent or combine them to trade up for a better choice.
Use the extra money for a short-term one-to-two year vet FA.

Rinse and repeat.
(Since the more talents coming out of college, the more FAs will be available in the off-season.)

Spend a lot of resources on scouting and player development.
Some of the college players have great athleticism but lack reps due to one reason or another.
A big guy may have a poor eating habit; or he could have "skinny legs" (poor base) without a proper conditioning program to enhance that base.
(Jonathan Jenkins, for example, is top-heavy, and can get pushed around or cut down more often than he should be.)
Most of the college coaches get pressure from the school alumni to perform NOW (not unlike companies in the stock market), they think more about "what work now" and often don't have time to develop a certain weakness area of players.

Obviously, I'm only skimming the surface of the topic.

ArlingtonTexan
04-05-2013, 09:02 AM
People may think I'm crazy, but I think it's best to trade away players that are not the number one guy on either of your offensive or defensive unit, unless he has no red flag or just too good to let go.

The talents that come out of college are plenty.
Guys are bigger, faster, stronger, quicker, can jump higher, etc.
Use the acquired pick(s) to either stock up talent or combine them to trade up for a better choice.
Use the extra money for a short-term one-to-two year vet FA.

Rinse and repeat.
(Since the more talents coming out of college, the more FAs will be available in the off-season.)

Spend a lot of resources on scouting and player development.
Some of the college players have great athleticism but lack reps due to one reason or another.
A big guy may have a poor eating habit; or he could have "skinny legs" (poor base) without a proper conditioning program to enhance that base.
(Jonathan Jenkins, for example, is top-heavy, and can get pushed around or cut down more often than he should be.)
Most of the college coaches get pressure from the school alumni to perform NOW (not unlike companies in the stock market), they think more about "what work now" and often don't have time to develop a certain weakness area of players.

Obviously, I'm only skimming the surface of the topic.

There is some good logic here, but the actual problem is that the NFL is not a trading league. There is not a consistent flow of willing buyers for a team's pretty good players.

Edit: Here are the off-season trades do far

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/transactions/trades

76Texan
04-05-2013, 09:53 AM
There is some good logic here, but the actual problem is that the NFL is not a trading league. There is not a consistent flow of willing buyers for a team's pretty good players.

Edit: Here are the off-season trades do far

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/transactions/trades

The Broncos traded Cutler and get Orton, two first rounders and a third.
Brandon Marshall and Vontae Davis weren't too bad trade scenarios (if Cushing plays well, he should garner better.)
The Harvin and Alex Smith trades don't look too bad either.

Cushing, at or near his top form, should give pretty good value.

If he doesn't play well then his contract demand shouldn't be too high (I hope.)

Jules Winnfield
04-05-2013, 01:12 PM
if teo falls as far as the 3rd or 4th round i wish the texans would take a gamble on him.

badboy
04-05-2013, 01:55 PM
People may think I'm crazy, but I think it's best to trade away players that are not the number one guy on either of your offensive or defensive unit, unless he has no red flag or just too good to let go.

The talents that come out of college are plenty.
Guys are bigger, faster, stronger, quicker, can jump higher, etc.
Use the acquired pick(s) to either stock up talent or combine them to trade up for a better choice.
Use the extra money for a short-term one-to-two year vet FA.

Rinse and repeat.
(Since the more talents coming out of college, the more FAs will be available in the off-season.)

Spend a lot of resources on scouting and player development.
Some of the college players have great athleticism but lack reps due to one reason or another.
A big guy may have a poor eating habit; or he could have "skinny legs" (poor base) without a proper conditioning program to enhance that base.
(Jonathan Jenkins, for example, is top-heavy, and can get pushed around or cut down more often than he should be.)
Most of the college coaches get pressure from the school alumni to perform NOW (not unlike companies in the stock market), they think more about "what work now" and often don't have time to develop a certain weakness area of players.

Obviously, I'm only skimming the surface of the topic.This is my philosophy also but would go one step further in having either your younger back up (in his rookie contract) be able to replace the starter or be in a position each year to use your top two draft picks to replace starter. The thing is Texans despite the reason are just now getting to that point. One more good draft and we should be there. Ben Jones to replace Myers and Brooks to replace Smith and on defense Crick perhaps to replace A. Smith are examples. Hopefully, a WR will replace Walter and another 2013 draft pick replace Cody. :evil:

The Pencil Neck
04-05-2013, 02:01 PM
if teo falls as far as the 3rd or 4th round i wish the texans would take a gamble on him.

It's funny. During the season, there was no way he could drop past 15-20. I still don't think he makes it past the 2nd round and there's still a good possibility he's a first-rounder.

If he makes it to US in the 3rd round at pick 89? That would be crazy.

Lucky
04-05-2013, 04:52 PM
If he makes it to US in the 3rd round at pick 89? That would be crazy.
There are red flags we know nothing of if that is the case.

bobbeaux
04-05-2013, 07:15 PM
I'm pretty much with you on that. One problem could be that Braman is strictly a speed rusher, and doesn't have the strength to disengage from a good pass blocker. I know that the Texans have had difficulty beefing him up. Possibly due to his bad chompers (which I believe have been fixed). If Braman can get stronger this offseason, I think the Texans may have a secret pass rushing weapon in 2013.

ILB? I'm wondering what the Texans think about K-State's Arthur Brown. I've seen him in a lot of mocks going late 1st round. LSU's Minter also improved on his 40 time at his pro day, so he is probably back in the late 1st round picture. That the Texans haven't looked at ILB yet makes me think they will look for a solution in the draft.

i'd like to see braman get more reps and contribute in the rotation . . . i was wondering about brown myself, but being he's a bit undersized, i'm not sure he really fits the texans . . . i like minter . . . olgetree is another, but his off-field issues will probably prevent the texans from taking him . . . unless he drops . . . ;) . . . i wouldn't be upset with alonso, bostic, johnson or riddick who should be available in the 3rd or later freeing up the first for nt/s and wr in the 2nd . . . ;)

Texn4life
04-05-2013, 07:59 PM
if teo falls as far as the 3rd or 4th round i wish the texans would take a gamble on him.

Unless Teo kidnaps a little kid and robs a couple of banks between now and the draft there is no way he falls that far.