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Double Barrel
03-25-2013, 02:42 PM
Some believe atmosphere is safe for gay NFL player to come out

Based on interviews over the past several weeks with current and former players, I'm told that a current gay NFL player is strongly considering coming out publicly within the next few months -- and after doing so, the player would attempt to continue his career.

I'm told this player feels the time is now for someone to take this step -- despite homophobic remarks from San Francisco 49ers defensive back Chris Culliver and the controversy arising recently at the Indianapolis Scouting combine, when prospects were asked questions about their sexuality.

This player's true concern, I'm told, is not the reaction inside an NFL locker room but outside of it. The player fears he will suffer serious harm from homophobic fans, and that is the only thing preventing him from coming out. My sources will not say who this alleged player is.

Full story (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21946093/some-believe-atmosphere-is-safe-for-gay-nfl-player-to-come-out)

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TheIronDuke
03-25-2013, 02:45 PM
Good for Blaine Gabbert, I'm sure he'll get a lot of support.

IDEXAN
03-25-2013, 02:54 PM
It will be a very, very long time before a homosexual comes out in the NFL. JMO and I certainly would never say never, but it's gonna be a long time before it happens.

infantrycak
03-25-2013, 03:13 PM
It will be a very, very long time before a homosexual comes out in the NFL. JMO and I certainly would never say never, but it's gonna be a long time before it happens.

If you say so. A bunch of NFL players (including the immediate past president of the players' association) have made public statements or signed off on briefs supporting the gay marriage cases which will be heard by the S.Ct. this week. Some of them went so far as to have their own brief written in support.

Honoring Earl 34
03-25-2013, 04:08 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/25/report-gay-player-strongly-considering-coming-out/

Per Freeman, the player fears the reaction not from within the locker room, but from homophobic fans. And that’s a legitimate concern; the combination of paying for a ticket and supporting a team and consuming a little alcohol (or a lot) turns normal people into loud, classless, profane jerks who will do and say anything to get under the skin of the members of the visiting team. And sometimes the members of the home team.

Rey
03-25-2013, 07:32 PM
Yeah, I don't think it's the players as much as the outside influences. I played with guys I suspected were gay..later on after they were done playing the came out...

I didn't feel icky because my locker was stationed next to a gay guy...

TexansBull
03-26-2013, 08:46 AM
My money is on Tom Brady, his Justin Bieber haircut along with his head band.

Not that there is anything wrong with it. Being gay that is. There is plenty wrong with the Justin bieber haircut and headband that goes along with it. Plenty wrong.

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Blake
03-26-2013, 10:52 AM
So are unecessary roughness hits on a openly gay NFL player 15 yards, or a hate crime?

Playoffs
03-26-2013, 12:26 PM
Sorry, but I'm just not all that interested in hearing about who likes boys.

infantrycak
03-26-2013, 12:28 PM
Sorry, but I'm just not all that interested in hearing about who likes boys.

Really not a question of your interest level. It's about how they have to live their lives in secrecy.

Cjeremy635
03-26-2013, 12:48 PM
This is a tough one. There are a lot of homophobic people out there, and I'm pretty sure that football has more than it's fair share of fans that fall into this category.

Personally, I couldn't care less what someone's sexual orientation is. It's not my business and who am I to tell them that they're wrong? I have noticed that TV shows have incorporated more gay characters into their shows, so people are not as shocked as they used to be. Having said that, there are people out there who won't watch those shows because of that very reason and this anonymous player's concerns about fans boycotting him or his team are very valid.

I think it really boils down to whether or not the player needs to feel validated for being openly gay. There will be backlash to some degree, the severity will just depend on the market that the player plays in. We all know that some places are more acceptable than others.

TexanSam
03-26-2013, 12:53 PM
This is a tough one. There are a lot of homophobic people out there, and I'm pretty sure that football has more than it's fair share of fans that fall into this category.

Personally, I couldn't care less what someone's sexual orientation is. It's not my business and who am I to tell them that they're wrong? I have noticed that TV shows have incorporated more gay characters into their shows, so people are not as shocked as they used to be. Having said that, there are people out there who won't watch those shows because of that very reason and this anonymous player's concerns about fans boycotting him or his team are very valid.

I think it really boils down to whether or not the player needs to feel validated for being openly gay. There will be backlash to some degree, the severity will just depend on the market that the player plays in. We all know that some places are more acceptable than others.

The severity will also depend on who the player is. I think there would be a much different reaction if Calvin Johnson or Tom Brady came out as gay as opposed to the Vikings backup left guard or the Browns long snapper.

Dread-Head
03-26-2013, 01:04 PM
Are you gay? Do you wish you could be a polygamist? Do you worship satan? Cha...I don't CARE if you're a good football player and not hurting anyone or breaking any laws. Some said Earnest Givens was. I don't know if he was or not but it doesn't change my opinion of the fact that he remains my favorite Oiler receiver. Some say Jacoby Jones is. My utter disrespect for Jones wouldn't be altered one bit if he was or wasn't.

HOU-TEX
03-26-2013, 01:14 PM
Personally, It doesn't bother me either way. Do I believe in same sex relationships? Not really, but I've never been one to demean other peoples beliefs.

That said, I do think they'd be harassed more so by the media and fans than actual teammates

Specnatz
03-26-2013, 02:31 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/26/ayanbadejo-speaks-at-ally-on-steps-of-supreme-court/

Ayanbadejo speaks at rally on steps of Supreme Court

On Tuesday, the United State Supreme Court took up the question of whether California’s ban on same-sex marriage violates the Constitution.

Outside, Ravens linebacker Brendon Ayanbadejo spoke at a rally supporting same-sex marriage.

“First and foremost, I have to say I’m not here as a Baltimore Raven,” Ayanbadejo said, via Erik Brady of USA Today. “I’m actually here as a patriot — as a patriot to uphold the Constitution of the United States. . . .

b0ng
03-26-2013, 05:16 PM
Meh, I wouldn't care if a player is openly gay but it could cause trouble in a locker room. I don't think it's right that a person feels that they cannot be who they want to be, but it's their colleagues that do that to them, not the fans really.

ObsiWan
03-26-2013, 05:35 PM
Meh, I wouldn't care if a player is openly gay but it could cause trouble in a locker room. I don't think it's right that a person feels that they cannot be who they want to be, but it's their colleagues that do that to them, not the fans really.

Especially if there are hard-core religious types in the locker room. I can just see the media not just bugging the heck out of the gay dude but asking pointed questions of the guys whose faith is strictly opposed to gay tolerance in any form.

Yeah, the mess will come mainly from the media just to keep some crap stirred up. And keep the phone lines filled and their web-sites jumping.

infantrycak
03-26-2013, 05:54 PM
Meh, I wouldn't care if a player is openly gay but it could cause trouble in a locker room. I don't think it's right that a person feels that they cannot be who they want to be, but it's their colleagues that do that to them, not the fans really.

I agree with what Obsi is saying about the fact that the media would try to stir things up. I think the actual workplace stuff is overblown. I have worked in several offices in Houston with openly gay people (including having supervised a few) and other than an initial titillation of "did you hear he or she is gay" it was done. No harassment, essentially no comments behind their backs, they weren't shunned from private parties nor while at business events like the Christmas Party when they brought their partner.

Double Barrel
03-26-2013, 06:17 PM
Football players can be just as capable of being intolerant hypocritical d-bags as anyone else in this country, so yeah, I can see how it could be a problem for some.

But I think drunk morons in the stands are the ones that will really make it difficult for him. Every city has them, and as long as they are paying customers, NFL teams will continue to have low standards in order to take their money.

Free country and all that jazz, but I would not blame him at all for staying in the closet while being an active player in the NFL.

IDEXAN
03-26-2013, 10:13 PM
There's few if any demographics in this country that expresses its machismo beliefs with more bravado on the one hand and on the other maintains a more enduring belief in its Christian faith than young, male African-Americans who also happen to dominate in the NFL both on its playing fields and in its locker rooms. And lots and lots of things are gonna have to change before the intimacy of those locker rooms is extended to a gay member.

Texecutioner
03-26-2013, 11:59 PM
I think it would be fine now days. Maybe not on every team or every situation, but I think a player could be fine with being openly gay unless he was out there making political statements and drawing extra attention to the issue. Other then that, I agree with some of the other sentiments that it would be the media that would create every controversial problem that would take place. They'll be stirring the pot like crazy when we see this eventually happen.

infantrycak
03-27-2013, 12:31 AM
People analyze this without any consideration beyond "gay."

There are huge differences in circumstances. Player just stops trying to hide it and shows up at a team party/event with his partner. He makes no attempt to say anything in the press about it. If a teammate goes off and makes an issue of it he will look like a giant male chicken in the press. If a guy all the sudden comes in dressed as Ru Paul and wants a press conference then he is going to be ill received.

That is a practical observation.

For a philosophical one: would you really think less of AJ if he came out tomorrow and said he was gay? If so, I think that reflects more on you than him.

IDEXAN
03-27-2013, 07:19 AM
For a philosophical one: would you really think less of AJ if he came out tomorrow and said he was gay? If so, I think that reflects more on you than him.
That's too difficult to try and even hypothesize because we know enough about AJ to know that he's got illegits out, who knows maybe gobs of them scattered about ? Give me another name ? Antonio, Kareem, anybody ?
But I'm with the brothers on this one, they don't want to walk around the locker room in the raw knowing another brother in their midst might want to shove his ying-yang up their butt-crack. Hell, they certainly realize they'd enjoy doing just that to a good looking young chick, drippin' wet, steppin out of the shower stall
right in front of them, why would they not assume in these circumstances that a gay brother would also lust for the same ?

handswarmer
03-27-2013, 07:40 AM
Meh, I wouldn't care if a player is openly gay but it could cause trouble in a locker room. I don't think it's right that a person feels that they cannot be who they want to be, but it's their colleagues that do that to them, not the fans really.

You don't think that this has already happened? That a player is known to be gay in the locker room and everyone just goes about their business?

Its the same situation as when I served in the military- there where guys (and gals) we KNEW were gay; most of us didn't care as long as they did their job.

Pretty sure its the same in the NFL locker room. Just do your job.

TexanSam
03-27-2013, 07:43 AM
There's few if any demographics in this country that expresses its machismo beliefs with more bravado on the one hand and on the other maintains a more enduring belief in its Christian faith than young, male African-Americans who also happen to dominate in the NFL both on its playing fields and in its locker rooms. And lots and lots of things are gonna have to change before the intimacy of those locker rooms is extended to a gay member.

Its very likely those locker rooms have already seen their fair share of gay athletes. It's not as if the the first pro football player to publicly come out means he'll also be the first gay player. The odds of that are very unlikely. It's also unlikely that other teammates didnt know which player(s) are gay.

handswarmer
03-27-2013, 07:50 AM
That's too difficult to try and even hypothesize because we know enough about AJ to know that he's got illegits out, who knows maybe gobs of them scattered about ? Give me another name ? Antonio, Kareem, anybody ?
But I'm with the brothers on this one, they don't want to walk around the locker room in the raw knowing another brother in their midst might want to shove his ying-yang up their butt-crack. Hell, they certainly realize they'd enjoy doing just that to a good looking young chick, drippin' wet, steppin out of the shower stall
right in front of them, why would they not assume in these circumstances that a gay brother would also lust for the same ?

Why is it ASSUMED that gay men want to screw every single straight man that walks by them? Why is it assumed that gay men are promiscuous and not committed to a partner?

Your own post shows that a lot of NFL players have multiple children with multiple women; look at the epidemic of Travis Henry's and Calvin Johnson's.

I have a gay friend who is and has been in a committed relationship for 27 years, another for 13 years, another for 34 yrs....

People need to step into the present and get out of the past.

IDEXAN
03-27-2013, 09:39 AM
Its very likely those locker rooms have already seen their fair share of gay athletes. It's not as if the the first pro football player to publicly come out means he'll also be the first gay player. The odds of that are very unlikely. It's also unlikely that other teammates didnt know which player(s) are gay.
Don't think so, not an openly gay teammate.
In recent days I've seen and heard atleast 2 ESPN reporters ( Michael Wilbon & J.A. Adande), both of whom are A-A men, say roughly the same thing as I'm saying right here. Not exactly the same, but approximately the same thing. It is an environment than most of us on this Board have no knowledge about, and just because you might be frustrated because pro jocks don't share your values & attitudes on this subject, too bad, don't make it any less true than it is.

TexanSam
03-27-2013, 09:51 AM
Don't think so, not an openly gay teammate.
In recent days I've seen and heard atleast 2 ESPN reporters ( Michael Wilbon & J.A. Adande), both of whom are A-A men, say roughly the same thing as I'm saying right here. Not exactly the same, but approximately the same thing. It is an environment than most of us on this Board have no knowledge about, and just because you might be frustrated because pro jocks don't share your values & attitudes on this subject, too bad, don't make it any less true than it is.

So everything you're saying is also assumption.

I'd say a locker room is similar to the military prior to Don't Ask, Don't Tell being repealed. If you were gay, chances are people knew. Maybe some people didn't like it, but they'd deal with it. I think a locker room is probably the same way. When you're a team and you're around each other constantly from August to January or February, word will get around and the players will deal with it. Just speculation, but I doubt every gay athlete who's every played a sport has hidden it so no one in the locker room knows.

infantrycak
03-27-2013, 12:50 PM
Don't think so, not an openly gay teammate.

Put your well established record of disliking gays down for a moment and put on your logic cap for a second.

You generalize based on african-american christians dominating the NFL. You leave out typically gregarious rich young men who get together a lot and are recognizable in public. Being as such they draw willing chicks constantly. After a while of going out with a single guy and seeing him get hit on by chicks and he never hooks up or talks about being out on a date eventually you are going to conclude he's gay and just not saying anything. So yes I am sure there have been plenty of guys who have believed they have gay teammates without having to be told.

That's too difficult to try and even hypothesize because we know enough about AJ to know that he's got illegits out, who knows maybe gobs of them scattered about ? Give me another name ? Antonio, Kareem, anybody ?

Absurd objection to a hypothetical but OK - JJ Watt.

Vinny
03-27-2013, 01:11 PM
yawner topic for me. Most people (in the locker room) won't care. Some guys will be uncomfortable. Some guys will say something stupid. Some guys will be openly supportive. There will be no mass-mind reaction. It's like having a guy with an imaginary girlfriend in the locker room. He'll get some attention and there will be overreaction to everything anyone says. This topic is more for the 'Entertainment Tonight' crowd if you ask me.

toronto
03-27-2013, 01:26 PM
yawner topic for me. Most people (in the locker room) won't care. Some guys will be uncomfortable. Some guys will say something stupid. Some guys will be openly supportive. There will be no mass-mind reaction. It's like having a guy with an imaginary girlfriend in the locker room. He'll get some attention and there will be overreaction to everything anyone says. This topic is more for the 'Entertainment Tonight' crowd if you ask me.

Co-signed. I work at an all-sports network and no one gives a rats ass about gay. From a hockey perspective all they want to know is if you can put the puck in the net, drop the gloves and kick someone's ass or stop the puck. Of course, I'm in Canada so maybe we are a tad more liberal on the subject, but all you have to do is look at Brian Burke's work in "You Can Play" to see the efforts being made to make this a non-topic in hockey rinks/locker rooms.

IDEXAN
03-27-2013, 01:59 PM
Put your well established record of disliking gays down for a moment and put on your logic cap for a second.

Don't dislike them, actually I rather feel sorry for them because I understand their sexuality is nothing they chose yet because of just that they are now saddled with a decided disadvantage, a profound liability when compared to the norm that they must carry throughout their entire lives.

You generalize based on african-american christians dominating the NFL. You leave out typically gregarious rich young men who get together a lot and are recognizable in public. Being as such they draw willing chicks constantly. After a while of going out with a single guy and seeing him get hit on by chicks and he never hooks up or talks about being out on a date eventually you are going to conclude he's gay and just not saying anything. So yes I am sure there have been plenty of guys who have believed they have gay teammates without having to be told.



Absurd objection to a hypothetical but OK - JJ Watt.
I'm talking about the situation where a guy comes out officially and publically and vocally announces he's gay: he's announcing to the whole world what he is and who he is and I'm simply saying there's not an NFL locker room in the league that's ready for that guy at this time nor will there probably be for sometime to come.

infantrycak
03-27-2013, 02:19 PM
I'm talking about the situation where a guy comes out officially and publically and vocally announces he's gay: he's announcing to the whole world what he is and who he is and I'm simply saying there's not an NFL locker room in the league that's ready for that guy at this time nor will there probably be for sometime to come.

I don't think you understand how fast the demographics on these issues are moving. In just 10 years the polls on gay marriage have gone from 40% to 60% for. Most of that change is in the youngest age brackets, i.e. when people are athletes. My kids go to religious private schools. Even there gay is simply not an issue as in the kids are condemning one another and yes there are openly gay students (and yup they are in the locker rooms).

You still ignored the question on JJ Watt.

IDEXAN
03-27-2013, 03:33 PM
I don't think you understand how fast the demographics on these issues are moving. In just 10 years the polls on gay marriage have gone from 40% to 60% for. Most of that change is in the youngest age brackets, i.e. when people are athletes. My kids go to religious private schools. Even there gay is simply not an issue as in the kids are condemning one another and yes there are openly gay students (and yup they are in the locker rooms).

You still ignored the question on JJ Watt.
I saw one the other day that was even more dramatic that the one you thru out there - acceptance of gay marriage has gone from 40 to 53 % since May of last year ? SoI don't what to think of those kind of #s, would like to see the exact language of the questions and exactly who was and who wasn't polled ?
Re the hypo about JJ outing himself, of course that would certainly be off of the Richter scale, but even bigger would be such an announcement by an NFL black superstar if you are talking about the impact in the locker room. So OK, I went along with it, but not gonna happen.

Double Barrel
03-27-2013, 04:05 PM
Co-signed. I work at an all-sports network and no one gives a rats ass about gay. From a hockey perspective all they want to know is if you can put the puck in the net, drop the gloves and kick someone's ass or stop the puck. Of course, I'm in Canada so maybe we are a tad more liberal on the subject, but all you have to do is look at Brian Burke's work in "You Can Play" to see the efforts being made to make this a non-topic in hockey rinks/locker rooms.

yep, well said. Like Tiger's new ad says:

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Excel at your craft and win and most folks will care less about sexuality.

Malloy
03-27-2013, 04:13 PM
yawner topic for me. Most people (in the locker room) won't care. Some guys will be uncomfortable. Some guys will say something stupid. Some guys will be openly supportive. There will be no mass-mind reaction. It's like having a guy with an imaginary girlfriend in the locker room. He'll get some attention and there will be overreaction to everything anyone says. This topic is more for the 'Entertainment Tonight' crowd if you ask me.

As usual you're scary right Vinny!

Live and let live, I'll support any player that outs himself on grounds of homosexuality, but if he screws up his game (and I'm talking football here) I'll be the first one to pile on his rear.. (football-wise Again).

In other Words, be whatever you want to be, do whatever you want to do. This is freedom, be WHO you are... but get ready to catch hell if you play like rubbish :)

steelbtexan
03-27-2013, 04:35 PM
Stay in the closet,

My $$$$$ is on Micheal Vick, afterall herpes is running wild in the homosexual community.

Teo Teo daylight come and he want to get boned.

CretorFrigg
03-27-2013, 05:51 PM
Did this come from Chris Culliver?

Texan_Bill
03-27-2013, 08:22 PM
I'm reminded of an Eddie Murphy dialogue where he reminds us that gay people can still kick your ass.

Those of us over 40(ish) remember that... "Raw" maybe?

TheMatrix31
03-27-2013, 09:21 PM
This quote from Frasier Crane sums it up:

Roger, at Cornell University they have an incredible piece of scientific equipment known as the tunneling electron microscope. Now, this microscope is so powerful that by firing electrons you can actually see images of the atom, the infinitesimally minute building blocks of our universe. Roger, if I were using that microscope right now... I still wouldn't be able to locate my interest in your problem. Thank you for your call.

Corrosion
03-28-2013, 12:45 PM
This quote from Frasier Crane sums it up:

That does sum it up .... who cares. They aint botherin me , I aint gonna bother them .... have fun and thanks for leaving the phillies to me. :chickendance:

infantrycak
03-28-2013, 04:31 PM
I'm talking about the situation where a guy comes out officially and publically and vocally announces he's gay: he's announcing to the whole world what he is and who he is and I'm simply saying there's not an NFL locker room in the league that's ready for that guy at this time nor will there probably be for sometime to come.

Well the president of the players' association disagrees with you:

This week’s story that a gay NFL player is considering coming out was met with an interesting reaction from Domonique Foxworth, the former NFL cornerback who is now president of the NFL Players Association.

Foxworth said that not only does he think it’s inevitable that a gay player will come out, but he believes multiple gay players are going to come out. Foxworth said on WNST in Baltimore that there are already multiple gay players in the NFL, and that when one of them comes out, others will see that they have nothing to fear.

“It doesn’t have to be one player,” Foxworth said. “When one player comes out, multiple players will come out, because they are in our league right now.”

From PFT.com

Like I said, they are already known in the locker room and nobody is causing a stink. Your argument makes no logical sense. It doesn't matter if they say it publicly wrt whether the team accepts them. They already do. The team isn't going to suddenly become scared of showering with the same guy they have known is gay for four years just because he becomes openly gay.

Norg
03-28-2013, 07:27 PM
over under how many gay players do the Texans have ..????

Lurvinator11
03-29-2013, 02:03 AM
over under how many gay players do the Texans have ..????

Well, Connor Barwin left, so you can take one off of that.....


I kid. I kid. :kitten:

infantrycak
03-29-2013, 02:15 AM
over under how many gay players do the Texans have ..????

I would guess 0-3 per team, but if they wanted to attract more:

http://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/U.S./BaconCondom_Box.jpg

Señor Stan
03-29-2013, 05:17 AM
I'm reminded of an Eddie Murphy dialogue where he reminds us that gay people can still kick your ass.

Those of us over 40(ish) remember that... "Raw" maybe?

Delirious. The one where he is wearing the orange jumpsuit. Man, I had that whole routine memorized as a kid!

IDEXAN
03-29-2013, 07:37 AM
Well the president of the players' association disagrees with you:



From PFT.com

Like I said, they are already known in the locker room and nobody is causing a stink. Your argument makes no logical sense. It doesn't matter if they say it publicly wrt whether the team accepts them. They already do. The team isn't going to suddenly become scared of showering with the same guy they have known is gay for four years just because he becomes openly gay.
And you are surprised by this kind of statement coming from the top official representative of the players' association, really ? What would surprise me would be if he said anything to the contrary. This guy has probably been told by Goodell to get in line with the gay-rights thing or their advocates in Congress might come after the league for its anti-trust exemption.
BTW, I don't really care that much if half of the NFL rank-and-file come out of the closet this afternoon and all waltz with each other on Ellen's show, my reservations about gays in any kind of organization is pretty much limited to certain units of the military because of the national security considerations. But I still don't expect to see anybody "come out of the closet" in the public sense of the term in the near term. Eventually at some point in time ? Yea sure, eventually.

Texn4life
03-29-2013, 11:21 AM
And you are surprised by this kind of statement coming from the top official representative of the players' association, really ? What would surprise me would be if he said anything to the contrary. This guy has probably been told by Goodell to get in line with the gay-rights thing or their advocates in Congress might come after the league for its anti-trust exemption.
BTW, I don't really care that much if half of the NFL rank-and-file come out of the closet this afternoon and all waltz with each other on Ellen's show, my reservations about gays in any kind of organization is pretty much limited to certain units of the military because of the national security considerations. But I still don't expect to see anybody "come out of the closet" in the public sense of the term in the near term. Eventually at some point in time ? Yea sure, eventually.

I've kind of stayed away from this topic, but I agree with Cak in this situation. I think initially there would be some awkwardness, but at the end of the day I think a locker room of brothers would find a way to make it work. Yeah, you're going to have a few knuckleheads but you're going to have that anyway. The true leaders of the team would make sure that the other guys are accepting of this situation. This person is going to be the Jackie Robinson of gay athletes so the spotlight is going to be bright on everyone. No one will risk looking like the idiot of the group by doing something stupid.

There's money to be made from whatever player that is gay becoming the first one to come out so I think it'll happen within the next year or 2. While football isn't the most accepting environment, I believe that at the end of the day the common goal amongst peers would prevail in this situation. Just my 2 pennies.

Vinny
03-29-2013, 11:51 AM
Manti T'eo isn't officially in the league yet. Everybody just needs to be patient.

IDEXAN
03-29-2013, 12:18 PM
I've kind of stayed away from this topic, but I agree with Cak in this situation. I think initially there would be some awkwardness, but at the end of the day I think a locker room of brothers would find a way to make it work. Yeah, you're going to have a few knuckleheads but you're going to have that anyway. The true leaders of the team would make sure that the other guys are accepting of this situation. This person is going to be the Jackie Robinson of gay athletes so the spotlight is going to be bright on everyone. No one will risk looking like the idiot of the group by doing something stupid.

There's money to be made from whatever player that is gay becoming the first one to come out so I think it'll happen within the next year or 2. While football isn't the most accepting environment, I believe that at the end of the day the common goal amongst peers would prevail in this situation. Just my 2 pennies.
I congratulated you on becoming a U.S. citizen, now I'll do the same for landing an employment opportunity with Cameron International. It's tough to go wrong these days and in this economy with an Oil Field Services Company.
OK, don't know your religion affiliation (if any), but you should know that many young men in "that locker room of brothers" you refer to are very likely to be Southern Baptists if they have a religous affiliation, and that denomination of Christianity does not take kindly to homosexuality and the idea of gay marriage. And that's putting it mildly. Furthermore, I suspect that many of those brothers might take exception to the very term "Jackie Robinson of gay athletes".

Texn4life
03-29-2013, 02:00 PM
I congratulated you on becoming a U.S. citizen, now I'll do the same for landing an employment opportunity with Cameron International. It's tough to go wrong these days and in this economy with an Oil Field Services Company.
OK, don't know your religion affiliation (if any), but you should know that many young men in "that locker room of brothers" you refer to are very likely to be Southern Baptists if they have a religous affiliation, and that denomination of Christianity does not take kindly to homosexuality and the idea of gay marriage. And that's putting it mildly. Furthermore, I suspect that many of those brothers might take exception to the very term "Jackie Robinson of gay athletes".

First of all you have the wrong poster. I've been a U.S. citizen all my life. But I'm Baptist since you brought up religion. I'm straight, but don't care how another man lives his life. Secondly, I've spoken with a couple of NFL players who relayed exactly what I said. Would it be awkward in the beginning? Of course, but these guys aren't angels in the locker room. There's a lot of stuff that goes on that players who are devoutly religious may not approve of, but if a player helps someone win then that stuff is ignored. And as an African American I can say that I haven't talked to another black person that's had a problem with that term "Jackie Robinson of gay athletes". Whoever comes out while they're playing is breaking a barrier. None of "us" are taking that term literally.

Double Barrel
03-29-2013, 02:16 PM
Based upon the infamous stories about Charles Haley and his penis in the locker rooms, there have been some pretty gay stuff going on well before any gay football player comes out of the closet. I'm not saying Haley is gay, but what he was doing was pretty dang gay by just about anyone's standards.

IDEXAN
03-29-2013, 03:45 PM
First of all you have the wrong poster. I've been a U.S. citizen all my life. But I'm Baptist since you brought up religion. I'm straight, but don't care how another man lives his life. Secondly, I've spoken with a couple of NFL players who relayed exactly what I said. Would it be awkward in the beginning? Of course, but these guys aren't angels in the locker room. There's a lot of stuff that goes on that players who are devoutly religious may not approve of, but if a player helps someone win then that stuff is ignored. And as an African American I can say that I haven't talked to another black person that's had a problem with that term "Jackie Robinson of gay athletes". Whoever comes out while they're playing is breaking a barrier. None of "us" are taking that term literally.
I certainly did get the wrong poster, and I apologize for being so really clumsy. And as someone who is neither black nor Christian, your insight on this issue as a black Christian who also has friends now actively playing in the NFL obviously goes far beyond any that I might have. Thanks for your comments, I enjoyed reading them, and again sorry for being so sloppy.

Texn4life
03-29-2013, 04:02 PM
I certainly did get the wrong poster, and I apologize for being so really clumsy. And as someone who is neither black nor Christian, your insight on this issue as a black Christian who also has friends now actively playing in the NFL obviously goes far beyond any that I might have. Thanks for your comments, I enjoyed reading them, and again sorry for being so sloppy.

No worries, and no need to apologize. I can see why a lot of people have that view. Most of these guys are all about feeding their families, or in most cases filling their garages with expensive cars. If there is a gay player who can help them do that then that's all that matters. The fans will probably give whoever comes out a harder time than his teammates.

infantrycak
04-05-2013, 08:33 AM
I think it will happen sooner than you think,” Ayanbadejo told Aaron Wilson of the Baltimore Sun. “We’re in talks with a handful of players who are considering it. There are up to four players being talked to right now and they’re trying to be organized so they can come out on the same day together. It would make a major splash and take the pressure off one guy. It would be a monumental day if a handful or a few guys come out.

Link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/05/ayanbadejo-up-to-four-players-could-come-out-at-once/)

This isn't seeming like a "long time" thing and if they are talking to multiple players in a coordinated way then YES the locker rooms already know they have gay members as if that wasn't obvious. The lack of outing by team members is a strong indication they will be accepted rather than egregiously ostracized.

HOU-TEX
04-05-2013, 09:19 AM
Link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/05/ayanbadejo-up-to-four-players-could-come-out-at-once/)

This isn't seeming like a "long time" thing and if they are talking to multiple players in a coordinated way then YES the locker rooms already know they have gay members as if that wasn't obvious. The lack of outing by team members is a strong indication they will be accepted rather than egregiously ostracized.

Ayanbadejo was cut yesterday. You think the "outing" would be postponed due to the possibility the Ravens releasing him had something to do with his involvement in gay rights? I think it will

IDEXAN
04-05-2013, 09:33 AM
Ayanbadejo was cut yesterday. You think the "outing" would be postponed due to the possibility the Ravens releasing him had something to do with his involvement in gay rights? I think it will
I think I smell something in the air that has virtually the same aroma as crap but it's an action that our "friends" in the occupation of lawyering take when they want to generate some revenue. Yep litigation, thought I recognized that smell.
Wow, talk about something that potentially could tear a locker room apart !
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Free agent linebacker Brendon Ayanbadejo is walking back some of the controversial statements he made following his release from the Baltimore Ravens earlier this week.
Ayanbadejo told Newsday that his release was, in part, prompted by his vocal support for marriage equality.
"My bark is louder than my bite," Ayanbadejo said after being honored at Thursday's Straight for Equality Gala in New York City. "I make a lot of noise and garner a lot of attention for various things off the football field. When that starts happening, why do you have that player around?
"I don't necessarily think that teams want this type of attention."
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/brendon-ayanbadejo-understands-ravens-decision-release-him-134738772--nfl.html
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Duh !

Jules Winnfield
04-05-2013, 01:04 PM
Brendon Ayanbadejo, a highly visible defender of gay rights and same-sex marriage, told the Baltimore Sun that four current NFL players are considering coming out as gay.

"I think it will happen sooner than you think. We're in talks with a handful of players who are considering it. There are up to four players being talked to right now and they're trying to be organized so they can come out on the same day together."

-Brendon Ayanbadejo

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9137573/brendon-ayanbadejo-says-four-players-considering-coming-gay


Who do you guys think the 4 players trying to come out are?

HOU-TEX
04-05-2013, 01:14 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99351

Jules Winnfield
04-05-2013, 01:37 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99351

what does that have to do with my thread mr. thread police?

brakos82
04-05-2013, 01:41 PM
what does that have to do with my thread mr. thread police?
umm, everything.

Jules Winnfield
04-05-2013, 01:42 PM
umm, everything.

umm not really.

Mr teX
04-05-2013, 01:44 PM
Let me take a stab at who these 4 guys are:

Blaine Gabbert
Ike Taylor
rashard mendenhall
Jared Allen

Jules Winnfield
04-05-2013, 01:52 PM
Let me take a stab at who these 4 guys are:

Blaine Gabbert
Ike Taylor
rashard mendenhall
Jared Allen

Ayanbadejo (has to be right?)
Tony Romo (he got his money already)
Julio Jones (saw this on the espn boards a lot of people were saying)
Matt Schaub (the way he plays)

eriadoc
04-05-2013, 01:54 PM
Merge, please.

Mr teX
04-05-2013, 02:06 PM
Ayanbadejo (has to be right?)
Tony Romo (he got his money already)
Julio Jones (saw this on the espn boards a lot of people were saying)
Matt Schaub (the way he plays)

please watch these with the volume down...the clowns who made the video get really annoying and drop tons of expletives.

Blaine Gabbert - I don't know, dude just kinda gives off that vibe..

Ike Taylor -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hIVw7twfG8

Rashard Mendenhall - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16SOnwmAn3g

Jared Allen - Saw on one of those silly ass kenny mayne skits dude looked like he was having too much fun prancing around in daisy dukes.....lol

GP
04-05-2013, 10:57 PM
Vince Young.

Casey Studdard.

After that, I have no idea. You can't just base the guesses off of whether they are seen with girlfriends or not...can't base it off appearance...can't base it off how they carry themselves on camera or on the field.

My only two guess are Young and Studdard because of the infamous photos. If the list is CURRENT players, then I don't have a clue who it could be.

ChampionTexan
04-05-2013, 11:32 PM
Vince Young.

Casey Studdard.

After that, I have no idea. You can't just base the guesses off of whether they are seen with girlfriends or not...can't base it off appearance...can't base it off how they carry themselves on camera or on the field.

My only two guess are Young and Studdard because of the infamous photos. If the list is CURRENT players, then I don't have a clue who it could be.

Can't be them - neither one is an NFL player

StarStruck
04-06-2013, 12:09 PM
Can't be them - neither one is an NFL player

Vince Young is married.

brakos82
04-06-2013, 12:13 PM
Vince Young is married.
to Bud Adams.

StarStruck
04-06-2013, 12:46 PM
to Bud Adams.

No, Bud lol would have seen to him remaining employed. His wife is his high school and college sweetheart, Candace Johnson.

infantrycak
04-23-2013, 12:29 PM
Well one guy is trying to get into the NFL as an openly gay kicker.

Gendreau has been openly gay since high school in Apopka, Fla., and he did not disguise his sexuality when he arrived at Middle Tennessee State – which might have led to notoriety as the first out player in major college football, had anyone noted the historic cultural relevance.

Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/24/sports/ncaafootball/nfl-hopeful-announces-he-is-gay.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&)

No reports with it being a problem in HS or college.

Mr teX
04-23-2013, 03:24 PM
I think we got one...mr. kerry rhodes

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/kerry-rhodes-gay/kerry-rhodes-gay-love-bottom.jpg


Notice the pineapple has 2 straws in it....
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/kerry-rhodes-gay/kerry-rhodes-gay-love-bottom-3.jpg

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/kerry-rhodes-gay/kerry-rhodes-and-hollywood-simpson.jpg

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/kerry-rhodes-gay/kerry-rhodes-gay-5.jpg

Malloy
04-25-2013, 07:32 AM
The pineapple drink is a dead giveaway :)