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Titans Sux 72
03-20-2013, 10:42 PM
I'm sure we're talking about Ed Reed roaming the deep middle.

You're thinking Brooks Reed moving to ILB.



LOL!!!!!!!

Fail!

ASidd_1990
03-20-2013, 10:53 PM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 3m
texans reached an agreement in principle tonight on a contract for Ed Reed. Should be official Thursday.

CretorFrigg
03-20-2013, 10:55 PM
I'm sure we're talking about Ed Reed roaming the deep middle.

You're thinking Brooks Reed moving to ILB.

:mariopalm: :wadepalm:

Insideop
03-20-2013, 11:09 PM
Hey, what happened to all the talk about firing Smith, Kubes, etc...? I thought Smith was inept! Not a good GM! What happened? :shades:

As for the contract (16 million over 3 years), I hope it doesn't mess up sigining Cush next year or Watt the year after. Anyone know if these figures are right and how much is guaranteed?

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 5m
Maximum value of Ed Reed's deal with the Texans is $16 million for 3 years. Very strong deal for an older safety, especially in this market

Dutchrudder
03-20-2013, 11:24 PM
That amount of money hurts this signing. I hope the guaranteed money is spent after one year, because I don't trust him to make it through two. Still, it's mind boggling that the front office valued Reed at 5.33m a year for 3 years, yet wouldn't offer Glover Quin the 4.7m a year he got from the Lions.

SAMURAITEXAN
03-20-2013, 11:33 PM
That amount of money hurts this signing. I hope the guaranteed money is spent after one year, because I don't trust him to make it through two. Still, it's mind boggling that the front office valued Reed at 5.33m a year for 3 years, yet wouldn't offer Glover Quin the 4.7m a year he got from the Lions.

Obviously, our FO think highly of Reed than Quin. Perhaps, Reed fits better in what Wade is trying to do with our D?

mariowillshine15
03-20-2013, 11:37 PM
That amount of money hurts this signing. I hope the guaranteed money is spent after one year, because I don't trust him to make it through two. Still, it's mind boggling that the front office valued Reed at 5.33m a year for 3 years, yet wouldn't offer Glover Quin the 4.7m a year he got from the Lions.

I think they highly value him being on a championship team, and the confidence he'll give our players with him being back there.

Quin is the younger guy and is getting better while Reed is declining but i think they think what we're missing is mental not physical.

Brisco_County
03-21-2013, 12:12 AM
Here's what this signing implies to me:

1) Rick Smith is establishing a history of accurately gauging a player's true market value. Many GM's and scouts never develop that sense. Whether he's doing the evaluation or a staff, it is contributing to some shrewd decisions.

2) He will no longer ignore the issue of lacking veteran leadership. He is acknowledging that Andre and Cushing can only do so much.

3) This proves to Andre that the organization is willing to pay an aged, experienced player for his leadership. It makes the case that Andre will one day retire as a Texan.

ObsiWan
03-21-2013, 12:44 AM
That amount of money hurts this signing. I hope the guaranteed money is spent after one year, because I don't trust him to make it through two. Still, it's mind boggling that the front office valued Reed at 5.33m a year for 3 years, yet wouldn't offer Glover Quin the 4.7m a year he got from the Lions.

Isn't the impact related to how the contract is structured moreso than the reported max value? We still don't know for sure how much is guaranteed, how much is signing bonus, and how much is incentive-based.

I would hope that the $4 mil/yr for 3 yrs is all that's guaranteed and the rest of the 16 mil is signing bonus and incentives. Even better would be 4-4.5 mil for two yrs with an option for a 3rd year plus the signing bonus/incentives making up the delta.

ASidd_1990
03-21-2013, 01:15 AM
Still can't believe Ed freaking Reed is a Texan!

ObsiWan
03-21-2013, 03:09 AM
I thought for sure he'd resign with Baltimore. I only hope he's still got something left in the tank and Rick smith didn't just go Ahman green 2.0 on us.

There's still a remote chance. Reed hasn't put pen to contract - our contract - yet. I think he's still hoping Ozzie coughs up a few more bucks to let him come back to the Ravens.

thunderkyss
03-21-2013, 07:14 AM
Hey, what happened to all the talk about firing Smith, Kubes, etc...? I thought Smith was inept! Not a good GM! What happened? :shades:


Uh... I think you answered your own question.


As for the contract (16 million over 3 years), I hope it doesn't mess up sigining Cush next year or Watt the year after. Anyone know if these figures are right and how much is guaranteed?
Very strong deal for an older safety, especially in this market



You can't be 100% on board with Rick Smith & believe what you stated in the second half of your post. Blind pigs & acorns are what we're talking about here & how this contract is structured is a big part of whether Smith did a good job or not.

he gets an A for effort. I've criticized him for not being able to sell the Houston Texans as a destination for players who want to do something. Connor Barwin (whom Wade "loves") was signed by the Eagles & will only cost $1.3M towards the 2013 cap, $2.1M towards the 2014 cap. That's a good GM on a team that is backsliding.

Casey just signed a deal where I can't remember the numbers, but it's also pretty cap friendly as well, on the same water treading team.

Quin just signed a deal with a perennial loser that wasn't more expensive than what we should have been offering him over the first two years.

Yeah, there may be reasons why the Texans let those guys go. Back ended deals may not be the best thing for us right now. & losing Quin for Reed... yeah I would have done that as well.

If this team gets to the Super Bowl in 2013, 2014.... then without a doubt Rick Smith is the man. If we start backsliding because we can't field a decent team... well, y'know.

thunderkyss
03-21-2013, 07:19 AM
Obviously, our FO think highly of Reed than Quin. Perhaps, Reed fits better in what Wade is trying to do with our D?

I don't know if Reed fits better with Wade. I think we just got tired of watching our team look like deer in the headlights when we played "Aaron Rogers" or "Tom Brady" or when things got real in December.

GP
03-21-2013, 07:33 AM
Isn't the impact related to how the contract is structured moreso than the reported max value? We still don't know for sure how much is guaranteed, how much is signing bonus, and how much is incentive-based.

I would hope that the $4 mil/yr for 3 yrs is all that's guaranteed and the rest of the 16 mil is signing bonus and incentives. Even better would be 4-4.5 mil for two yrs with an option for a 3rd year plus the signing bonus/incentives making up the delta.

I certainly hope so.

This news I woke up to has me a little anxious. When I saw "$16 million over 3 years," I was a little taken aback.

Am hopeful that the cap money is around 4.

BullNation4Life
03-21-2013, 07:44 AM
ok so where are all y'all getting these numbers? Radio said Reed is getting a 2 yr contract worth 7-7.5 mil, now I see 3 year 16 mil on this board? Saw one say 6 mil per for 3 years...

When will the true number come out?

Thorn
03-21-2013, 07:45 AM
I certainly hope so.

This news I woke up to has me a little anxious. When I saw "$16 million over 3 years," I was a little taken aback.

Am hopeful that the cap money is around 4.

He is not worth that kind of money. Hell, no football player is, let alone Reed. Oh well, it's not my money, and other that a few shirts and hats I don't spend any money on the Texans anyways.

Let 'em overpay the bastards if they wish. If it translates into wins maybe it'll keep me from bitching about it. LOL

texan279
03-21-2013, 08:08 AM
3 years/16 million??? :hankpalm:

HJam72
03-21-2013, 08:10 AM
If we go to the Superbowl, Reed will be sitting on the bench with a brace on his neck. Great player; NO durability.

SAMURAITEXAN
03-21-2013, 08:11 AM
I don't know if Reed fits better with Wade. I think we just got tired of watching our team look like deer in the headlights when we played "Aaron Rogers" or "Tom Brady" or when things got real in December.

Hopefully, addition of Reed can provide us extra time for our front 7 to constantly pressure QB this coming season.

b0ng
03-21-2013, 08:22 AM
$7m guaranteed. A little higher than I wanted them to pay but they can get out of it without putting too much pain on the cap if they need to.

texan279
03-21-2013, 08:25 AM
$7m guaranteed. A little higher than I wanted them to pay but they can get out of it without putting too much pain on the cap if they need to.

I feel better about it now. Not too bad.

TexanSam
03-21-2013, 08:26 AM
$7m guaranteed. A little higher than I wanted them to pay but they can get out of it without putting too much pain on the cap if they need to.

That's not bad at all. I was expecting it to be much more than that.

Insideop
03-21-2013, 08:26 AM
ok so where are all y'all getting these numbers? Radio said Reed is getting a 2 yr contract worth 7-7.5 mil, now I see 3 year 16 mil on this board? Saw one say 6 mil per for 3 years...

When will the true number come out?

Saw this on an earlier post:

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 5m
Maximum value of Ed Reed's deal with the Texans is $16 million for 3 years. Very strong deal for an older safety, especially in this market

Maybe the deal is for 2 years with an option for a 3rd. And, if you heard 7 to 7.5 mil, then maybe it's a front loaded contract, which would make sense if you are trying to sign Cush next year and Watt the year after. They can't tie up too much money long term.

steelbtexan
03-21-2013, 08:34 AM
While Lechler is the arguably the second best punter in history, he would cost more than Donnie Jones (or whoever) who had a really good season. Think about the future. Think about the salary cap...

That said.... "Gig 'em"! Go Shane Lechler!!!


*****************

As an aside Joe, when are you going to hook-up another sprinkler system, identical to what you did at my old place?

As bad as the ST's are Lechler would be a major upgrade. Coach Joe needs all of the help he can get. If a PR is having to fair catch most of the time, problem solved. Can Lechler kick KO's out of the end zone?

Ags = K/P, what's the world coming too?

handswarmer
03-21-2013, 08:35 AM
I really hope you get what you expect ; Get used to a back pedaling Reed, trying to drag a runner/WR down by his shoulder pads- its a look we saw a lot around here.

He is an ICON, perhaps a GOAT at Safety. Wonderful guy and hard worker. Just not sure he is as good as he once was.

Señor Stan
03-21-2013, 08:36 AM
If we go to the Superbowl, Reed will be sitting on the bench with a brace on his neck. Great player; NO durability.

He has started every game over the past 2 seasons....

Texn4life
03-21-2013, 08:39 AM
If we close out with signing Barden and Hampton before the draft I'll consider this off-season a major win.

2slik4u
03-21-2013, 08:40 AM
I really hope you get what you expect ; Get used to a back pedaling Reed, trying to drag a runner/WR down by his shoulder pads- its a look we saw a lot around here.

He is an ICON, perhaps a GOAT at Safety. Wonderful guy and hard worker. Just not sure he is as good as he once was.

We all know he is not as great as he once was. In fact, every team, coach, and owner in the NFL knew that. Thats why he didnt get a 6yr/$45mil deal. He got two years and that was his best offer.

With that being said, he is a huge upgrade over Shiloh Keo which was our starting safety the moment Quin left town. I also believe he is better than any safety we draft at the 27th pick. He will offer experience, locker room presence and coaching abilities to our young DB's and that is worth the money paid. On top of being a play maker still.

b0ng
03-21-2013, 08:41 AM
As bad as the ST's are Lechler would be a major upgrade. Coach Joe needs all of the help he can get. If a PR is having to fair catch most of the time, problem solved. Can Lechler kick KO's out of the end zone?

Ags = K/P, what's the world coming too?

Punting wasn't the major problem with our ST's last year. Coverage and blocking were the major bugaboos.

Texn4life
03-21-2013, 08:42 AM
I really hope you get what you expect ; Get used to a back pedaling Reed, trying to drag a runner/WR down by his shoulder pads- its a look we saw a lot around here.

He is an ICON, perhaps a GOAT at Safety. Wonderful guy and hard worker. Just not sure he is as good as he once was.

You've made that very known and everyone here acknowledges that. Find me one post where someone has said we're getting the old Ed Reed. We get it....... he's lost a step and isn't the player he was when he won DPOY. If he was then its doubtful he'd be on the market in the first place.

ThaJokaa
03-21-2013, 08:44 AM
He has started every game over the past 2 seasons....

IDK where people are getting this injury thing from...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3552/ed-reed
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thunderkyss
03-21-2013, 08:44 AM
He is an ICON, perhaps a GOAT at Safety. Wonderful guy and hard worker. Just not sure he is as good as he once was.

I don't think anyone is expecting him to be who he was. We signed the guy he is.


FYI, for all you Texans fans, here's a video from CSN Baltimore (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-ed-reed-agrees-to-a-deal-with-the-houston-texans-20130320,0,2329710.story) for their side of the story. I found it interesting what they said about the Texans

thunderkyss
03-21-2013, 08:48 AM
IDK where people are getting this injury thing from...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3552/ed-reed

http://i49.tinypic.com/n3apvq.png

He plays hurt.

It seems like he's always hurt. I'm sure that leads to sub-par play.

Another thing to consider, is if he has accepted the "fact" that this is his last deal, he may not play hurt from now on. He may go into "protect my body for life after football" mode for all we know.

steelbtexan
03-21-2013, 08:50 AM
Where is everybody getting the idea that Reed is going to be effective roaming over the top? He was an OLB, and apparently they're converting him. Why? Has he done anything to suggest he knows what he's doing? This is a completely different role and people are just assuming he's going to flourish.

I'm not trying to argue. I legitimately want to know. Did Reed cover a lot more in college?

I dont even know how to respond to this post.

This is a football MB?

steelbtexan
03-21-2013, 08:52 AM
He plays hurt.

It seems like he's always hurt. I'm sure that leads to sub-par play.

Another thing to consider, is if he has accepted the "fact" that this is his last deal, he may not play hurt from now on. He may go into "protect my body for life after football" mode for all we know.

Hasn't missed a game in 2 yrs.

He could also be an all pro. You never know.

ThaJokaa
03-21-2013, 08:54 AM
Where is everybody getting the idea that Reed is going to be effective roaming over the top? He was an OLB, and apparently they're converting him. Why? Has he done anything to suggest he knows what he's doing? This is a completely different role and people are just assuming he's going to flourish.

I'm not trying to argue. I legitimately want to know. Did Reed cover a lot more in college?

:toropalm: Ed Reed....

Youre thinking of Brooks Reed, our OLB

steelbtexan
03-21-2013, 08:58 AM
Hey, what happened to all the talk about firing Smith, Kubes, etc...? I thought Smith was inept! Not a good GM! What happened? :shades:

As for the contract (16 million over 3 years), I hope it doesn't mess up sigining Cush next year or Watt the year after. Anyone know if these figures are right and how much is guaranteed?

Lets see how the contract is set up before before singing Ricks praises.

Hopefully it's not a Schaub type contract. Where the bonus $$$$ is spread out = over the life of the contract.

ThaJokaa
03-21-2013, 09:01 AM
Lets see how the contract is set up before before singing Ricks praises.

Hopefully it's not a Schaub type contract. Where the bonus $$$$ is spread out = over the life of the contract.

Doubtful, I think he gets most of the money his 1st year since we have to resign Cush and Watt

The Pencil Neck
03-21-2013, 10:35 AM
I don't get why some people are freaked out over the price.

Weren't we all hoping he'd be around 5.5 mil a year? For a 3 year deal, that works out to 16.5 million... which is less than what we're hearing. And at this point, we don't know how much of that is guaranteed and how the cap hit is distributed.

Although that's longer than I think Reed can be effective, players rarely see the ends of these kinds of deals.

Although Reed wasn't my first choice, I'm OK with what I'm hearing so far and I hope Reed proves me wrong about how much he's got in the tank. I'm cheering for him now.

Double Barrel
03-21-2013, 10:40 AM
If we go to the Superbowl, Reed will be sitting on the bench with a brace on his neck. Great player; NO durability.

Reed has started every game the past two seasons. Andre Johnson has missed more games the past two years, so I guess A.J. will be in a backbrace when the Texans go to the Super Bowl? :um:

CretorFrigg
03-21-2013, 10:47 AM
:toropalm: Ed Reed....

Youre thinking of Brooks Reed, our OLB

Yeah...someone mentioned that earlier. :wadepalm:

Complete fail on my part.

powda
03-21-2013, 10:54 AM
Complete fail on my part.

Well yeah but it was good for a laugh. Dont feel bad man, and thanks.

Luv_ya_blue
03-21-2013, 11:02 AM
Excited about the leadership that he can bring. If he can help cultivate leadership with guys like Cushing & Watt, I'd like to see how it goes.

No question that he's lost a step or two, but building a cohesive unit on defense is so much more important for us at this stage of our franchise.

$ .02

ThaJokaa
03-21-2013, 11:08 AM
Why has nothing been made official yet?

False Start
03-21-2013, 11:14 AM
Looks like Roc Carmichael will be getting punked out of his jersey number.

Vinny
03-21-2013, 11:25 AM
I was against signing him but I will say that his personality and leadership is exactly what this team needs. One look at those HS letter jackets and Reed would have put a stop to that nonsense.

rolyat93
03-21-2013, 11:54 AM
Not a chance he signs with Houston.

Had to do it.:swatter:

TexansBull
03-21-2013, 12:17 PM
I hope this is more like when Drexler came to Houston to play with Olajuwon and not like when Scottie Pippen came to Houston to play with Barkley.

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76Texan
03-21-2013, 12:32 PM
Why does it say 2 years on NFL.com?

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000152356/

GP
03-21-2013, 12:50 PM
ESPN keeps reporting it's a 2-year deal, not a 3-year deal. FWIW.

Also, and this is something nobody else has mentioned:

In terms of what fans think of this move....let's look at it from another perspective for a second. If you're the QB of the Jaguars or the Titans, even Andrew "God" Luck himself, or really any of the other QBs we'll face in 2013, upon learning today that the Texans have Ed Reed at Safety rather than Glover Quin, do you think those coaches, those o-coordinators, and the QBs of those teams we'll face in 2013 were saying "Alright! AWESOME! Whew, great news for us!" or were they saying "Well, we're going to have to work a lot harder at diagnosing coverages now."

Which reaction do you think would be the more likely reaction by our opponents? I happen to think the opponents, especially our divisional rivals, are not as skeptical of this signing as some of us might be.

Fans are not calculating the inherent psychological factor involved here. And look, if Ed Reed gets torched Faggins style in 2013, right out of the gate, then the mystique is gone and we'll be toast. BUT...if Wade and his healthy defense can start the season with radical back-to-form domination, with Ed Reed making coverage plays on defense, then I think it will provide a psychological boost to us and a psychological anxiety attack for opposing teams the rest of the way.

Not saying this is Best Move Ever! or anything, just putting it into a different perspective. I think our divisional rival QBs did not want us signing Ed Reed. Glover Quin? Meh, no big deal...but Ed? Ed is Ed. And whether it stays typical Ed or not, that remains to be seen.

BullNation4Life
03-21-2013, 12:51 PM
Why does it say 2 years on NFL.com?

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000152356/

That is what I have been hearing and reading all day, that it was a 2 year deal worth roughly 7-7.5 mil with a 3rd year option....

That was why I asked where the 16 mil for 3 years was coming from...

Dutchrudder
03-21-2013, 12:53 PM
Why does it say 2 years on NFL.com?

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000152356/

Because the they "agreed to terms" and didn't sign a contract yet. Once they get a deal signed and sent to the NFL office, someone will leak a copy and we'll find out how much it is and how much is guaranteed.

I'm crossing my fingers that it's a 3 year deal worth 3m, 3m, 10m... :)


That is what I have been hearing and reading all day, that it was a 2 year deal worth roughly 7-7.5 mil with a 3rd year option....

That was why I asked where the 16 mil for 3 years was coming from...

Jason LaCanfora reported the 3 year 16m numbers. He's usually pretty good about getting that stuff right, but not perfect. I'm hoping the 2 year 7.5m report is correct, because that would be a great deal for us.

BullNation4Life
03-21-2013, 12:58 PM
Because the they "agreed to terms" and didn't sign a contract yet. Once they get a deal signed and sent to the NFL office, someone will leak a copy and we'll find out how much it is and how much is guaranteed.

I'm crossing my fingers that it's a 3 year deal worth 3m, 3m, 10m... :)




Jason LaCanfora reported the 3 year 16m numbers. He's usually pretty good about getting that stuff right, but not perfect. I'm hoping the 2 year 7.5m report is correct, because that would be a great deal for us.

Hell now I am reading 2yrs $12 mil ...if this is true, ouch...

76Texan
03-21-2013, 01:02 PM
Hell now I am reading 2yrs $12 mil ...if this is true, ouch...

$6M per is what I thought it would come down, too.
I would hate for it have a higher price tag, but I'm willing to go with 6.

If he signs for cheaper; great.
if he signs for 6, I don't mind.
Sometimes, you've got to pay to play.

Hopefully, there's an incentive bonus in there.

The Pencil Neck
03-21-2013, 01:11 PM
Hell now I am reading 2yrs $12 mil ...if this is true, ouch...

I was expecting 2 years in the 10-12 million range. So if this is true, I've got no problem with it.

Someone said 2 years 7 mill total... if that's true then ... Rick Smith deserves an award of some sort.

HOU-TEX
03-21-2013, 01:15 PM
I was expecting 2 years in the 10-12 million range. So if this is true, I've got no problem with it.

Someone said 2 years 7 mill total... if that's true then ... Rick Smith deserves an award of some sort.

I think the 7 million number is what might be guaranteed. At least that's what I gathered from yesterday.

I don't think the 3 year 16 mill deal that's being thrown around is that bad either. The odds of him seeing that 3rd year is prob slim to none. The only numbers that really matter to me are the cap numbers anyway.

El Tejano
03-21-2013, 01:15 PM
Can you imagine what this is going to do for players like JJo, and Manning. Now they get to just play. For players like KJax, and Demps and Harris, and not to mention any safety we draft, this is going to be a chance for them to see a real All Pro go to work.

ObsiWan
03-21-2013, 01:18 PM
Why does it say 2 years on NFL.com?

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000152356/

That is what I have been hearing and reading all day, that it was a 2 year deal worth roughly 7-7.5 mil with a 3rd year option....

That was why I asked where the 16 mil for 3 years was coming from...

Because the they "agreed to terms" and didn't sign a contract yet. Once they get a deal signed and sent to the NFL office, someone will leak a copy and we'll find out how much it is and how much is guaranteed.

I'm crossing my fingers that it's a 3 year deal worth 3m, 3m, 10m... :)




Jason LaCanfora reported the 3 year 16m numbers. He's usually pretty good about getting that stuff right, but not perfect. I'm hoping the 2 year 7.5m report is correct, because that would be a great deal for us.

Hell now I am reading 2yrs $12 mil ...if this is true, ouch...

I think the 7 million number is what might be guaranteed. At least that's what I gathered from yesterday.

I don't think the 3 year 16 mill deal that's being thrown around is that bad either. The odds of him seeing that 3rd year is prob slim to none. The only numbers that really matter to me are the cap numbers anyway.

Crap. Sounds like nobody knows for sure and we ain't heard a peep out of the Texans or chirp (a "twit"?) out of Reed.

Craig Roberts (92.1 FM) just said (as of 1:15 pm, 3/21/13) that Reed has not actually signed anything yet.

76Texan
03-21-2013, 01:21 PM
Crap. Sounds like nobody knows for sure and we ain't heard a peep out of the Texans or chirp (a "twit"?) out of Reed.

Craig Roberts (92.1 FM) just said (as of 1:15 pm, 3/21/13) that Reed has not actually signed anything yet.

Bob's jet broke down ?

kiwitexansfan
03-21-2013, 01:23 PM
I'm guessing the full value if the deal is laden with incentives.

Play > 12 games = $$$$
Win the superbowl = $$$$
Make the probowl = $$$$$
Lead the league in INTS = $$$$

HOU-TEX
03-21-2013, 01:24 PM
Crap. Sounds like nobody knows for sure and we ain't heard a peep out of the Texans or chirp (a "twit"?) out of Reed.

Craig Roberts (92.1 FM) just said (as of 1:15 pm, 3/21/13) that Reed has not actually signed anything yet.

The Texans don't say anything until the ink hits the paper.

I think everyone knows he hasn't signed anything. They've only "agreed with the terms" of a deal. Working on the verbiage of the deal

Dutchrudder
03-21-2013, 01:33 PM
The Texans don't say anything until the ink hits the paper.

I think everyone knows he hasn't signed anything. They've only "agreed with the terms" of a deal. Working on the verbiage of the deal

There's also a chance that he backs out and signs somewhere else, like Baltimore...

It's rare that a player would do that, but it has happened before.

Doppelganger
03-21-2013, 01:41 PM
There's also a chance that he backs out and signs somewhere else, like Baltimore...

It's rare that a player would do that, but it has happened before.

Really? Wow. Can you provide an example? I would love to hear who has made an agreement and then backed out?

dalemurphy
03-21-2013, 01:46 PM
Really? Wow. Can you provide an example? I would love to hear who has made an agreement and then backed out?

Arian Foster!
agreed with Chicago on one year deal but the Texans lured him away with a 2 year deal.

HOU-TEX
03-21-2013, 01:47 PM
There's also a chance that he backs out and signs somewhere else, like Baltimore...

It's rare that a player would do that, but it has happened before.

Really? Wow. Can you provide an example? I would love to hear who has made an agreement and then backed out?

The 1st that comes to my mind

free-agent wide receiver Az-Zahir Hakim on Friday afternoon backed out of a contract agreement with the Kansas City Chiefs, a deal that would have reunited him with head coach Dick Vermeil.

badboy
03-21-2013, 01:55 PM
At his age the third year could be a team option with heavy money in first two + bonus to get him to sign. Either way this coud be a hit to cap.

HOU-TEX
03-21-2013, 02:00 PM
Arian Foster!
agreed with Chicago on one year deal but the Texans lured him away with a 2 year deal.

Got a link for that. I don't remember there ever being an agreement in place with the Bears. They offered their deal, we offered ours and he chose us

Doppelganger
03-21-2013, 02:10 PM
Arian Foster!
agreed with Chicago on one year deal but the Texans lured him away with a 2 year deal.


Got a link for that. I don't remember there ever being an agreement in place with the Bears. They offered their deal, we offered ours and he chose us

That was my thought as well. I was under the impression that Chicago offered a 1 yr deal whereas Htown offered him a 2 year deal because they really wanted him. If memory serves, didn't the team also sign Jeremiah Johnson that year as an UDFA as well?

Dread-Head
03-21-2013, 02:15 PM
Don't like the guy...but DO respect him as an athlete. Welcome aboard "Broke jaw". Looks like Flacco's over rated (and now over paid) ass getting that disproportionate contract will be to our advantage. I hope the referees don't start treating him differently because he's a Texan now.

The Pencil Neck
03-21-2013, 02:19 PM
That was my thought as well. I was under the impression that Chicago offered a 1 yr deal whereas Htown offered him a 2 year deal because they really wanted him. If memory serves, didn't the team also sign Jeremiah Johnson that year as an UDFA as well?

Yes. I really thought Jeremiah was going to be a good player for us, too.

thunderkyss
03-21-2013, 02:37 PM
Yeah...someone mentioned that earlier. :wadepalm:

Complete fail on my part.

If it makes you feel better, they copied it on the Ravens board (http://russellstreetreport.com/forum/showthread.php?106792-Reed-to-Houston-confirmed&p=606925#post606925) & they had a good chuckle too.




Decided to read some of the Houston fan forums to gauge their reaction. From what I gauge, they are more excited than we are disappointed. Lots of enthusiasm mixed with some people saying "geez, how old is he? no thanks."


I like this quote from that Texans' thread, Post #1749:

>>
Where is everybody getting the idea that Reed is going to be effective roaming over the top? He was an OLB, and apparently they're converting him. Why? Has he done anything to suggest he knows what he's doing? This is a completely different role and people are just assuming he's going to flourish.
<<

:slaphead:

76Texan
03-21-2013, 02:46 PM
Yes. I really thought Jeremiah was going to be a good player for us, too.

He played some for the Broncos in 2011 and was signed to a reserve/future contract recently. I guess he's still a bubble player .

Dread-Head
03-21-2013, 02:49 PM
If it makes you feel better, they copied it on the Ravens board (http://russellstreetreport.com/forum/showthread.php?106792-Reed-to-Houston-confirmed&p=606925#post606925) & they had a good chuckle too.






Probably for the same reason they assume Ray Lewis ISN'T AT LEAST an accessory to murder, Flacco is anything but a lucky a-hole who'll never get another Stupor Bowl ring as a starting QB OR that Judas Jones is worth the RIDICULOUS contract they just gave him. If they think that Jones is worth more to their team than Ed Reed then they're TRULY as stupid as I thought them to be.

HOU-TEX
03-21-2013, 02:51 PM
Yes. I really thought Jeremiah was going to be a good player for us, too.

Yeah, I remember he came in with a bum shoulder that had to be repaired. He came back the following year and didn't do much. I think he's still in the league though. Broncos, maybe?

76Texan
03-21-2013, 02:51 PM
Really? Wow. Can you provide an example? I would love to hear who has made an agreement and then backed out?

There's also a chance that he backs out and signs somewhere else, like Baltimore...

It's rare that a player would do that, but it has happened before.

Dexter Jackson backed out of a deal with the Steelers to sign with the Cards a few years ago.

htowntexans1985
03-21-2013, 02:52 PM
If it makes you feel better, they copied it on the Ravens board (http://russellstreetreport.com/forum/showthread.php?106792-Reed-to-Houston-confirmed&p=606925#post606925) & they had a good chuckle too.








Lmao!!!! That's a failure that happens only once in a lifetime.

CretorFrigg
03-21-2013, 03:24 PM
If it makes you feel better, they copied it on the Ravens board (http://russellstreetreport.com/forum/showthread.php?106792-Reed-to-Houston-confirmed&p=606925#post606925) & they had a good chuckle too.






Haha, that's golden. I just couldn't make the connection that Reed --> Ed Reed. It's going to be weird seeing him in a Texans unifrom.

ASidd_1990
03-21-2013, 03:29 PM
Are they gonna have some sort of press conference with Ed Reed?

False Start
03-21-2013, 03:41 PM
Ed reed has already landed a new crib... a top of the line cardboard box under a 610 bridge.

thunderkyss
03-21-2013, 04:14 PM
Ed reed has already landed a new crib... a top of the line cardboard box under a 610 bridge.

Nope...... that's me again.

That was me.




We all look alike......... :kitten:

False Start
03-21-2013, 04:23 PM
Nope...... that's me again.





Damn, they all look like Tyson!

:littlelol:

infantrycak
03-21-2013, 04:28 PM
Nope...... that's me again.





You did realize that was a joke hopefully.

False Start
03-21-2013, 04:32 PM
Are they gonna have some sort of press conference with Ed Reed?

I would think so.

DX-TEX
03-21-2013, 04:37 PM
Reed is not coming. Heading back to Baltimore because he prefers crab cakes to Texmex.

ASidd_1990
03-21-2013, 04:55 PM
I would think so.

Well there aren't any Pitbull concerts going on anytime soon so hopefully it happens soon.

NitroGSXR
03-21-2013, 05:08 PM
Haha, that's golden. I just couldn't make the connection that Reed --> Ed Reed. It's going to be weird seeing him in a Texans unifrom.

Golden!? You just set us back a decade in terms of earning respect as fans. That was a really really bad d'oh moment for you.

:heart:

False Start
03-21-2013, 05:09 PM
Well there aren't any Pitbull concerts going on anytime soon so hopefully it happens soon.


:littlelol:

Pancackes, and his wild theories.

michaelm
03-21-2013, 05:09 PM
Reed is not coming. Heading back to Baltimore because he prefers crab cakes to Texmex.

In that case, F' him and the raven he road in on, anyway!

NitroGSXR
03-21-2013, 05:10 PM
Had to do it.:swatter:

He hasn't signed yet.

:chickendance:

NCTexan
03-21-2013, 05:11 PM
Haha, that's golden. I just couldn't make the connection that Reed --> Ed Reed. It's going to be weird seeing him in a Texans unifrom.

I seriously thought you were trolling hard and got a good laugh out of it.

djohn2oo8
03-21-2013, 05:11 PM
Kelli Johnson ‏@kjohnsoncsn 21m Sources tell me Ed Reed is on his way to Houston! Texans and Reed still hashing out details but they're very close to finalizing deal.

TEXANRED
03-21-2013, 05:20 PM
1840 replies, 100,078 views!

infantrycak
03-21-2013, 05:24 PM
In that case, F' him and the raven he road in on, anyway!

Dude, you need some TexMex crabcakes, or maybe Ed does.

michaelm
03-21-2013, 05:27 PM
Dude, you need some TexMex crabcakes, or maybe Ed does.

Never had them, but more than willing to try.

Fred
03-21-2013, 05:39 PM
1840 replies, 100,078 views!

Haha, that's golden. I just couldn't make the connection that Reed --> Ed Reed. It's going to be weird seeing him in a Texans unifrom.

If a Brooks Reed thread goes over 90 pages and 100,000 views we will be sure to let you know.

76Texan
03-21-2013, 06:06 PM
Haha, that's golden. I just couldn't make the connection that Reed --> Ed Reed. It's going to be weird seeing him in a Texans unifrom.

If a Brooks Reed thread goes over 90 pages and 100,000 views we will be sure to let you know.

LOL!

PapaL
03-21-2013, 06:13 PM
Dude, you need some TexMex crabcakes, or maybe Ed does.

That sounds like one mean case of bubble gut.

Lurvinator11
03-21-2013, 06:16 PM
I just want it to be official.

Hurry up and sign the sheet, Reed!

djohn2oo8
03-21-2013, 06:18 PM
I just want it to be official.

Hurry up and sign the sheet, Reed!

He's on his way to Houston right now. Just chill outl

ObsiWan
03-21-2013, 06:33 PM
He's on his way to Houston right now. Just chill outl

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_sA3Drf3pgYs/TKGVeMUbMWI/AAAAAAAAE5I/LJFd8jgR7wA/s1600/hominoidmap_trans.png


Quasi-Confirmed Ed Reed sightings since the start of free agency...

djohn2oo8
03-21-2013, 06:36 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_sA3Drf3pgYs/TKGVeMUbMWI/AAAAAAAAE5I/LJFd8jgR7wA/s1600/hominoidmap_trans.png


Quasi-Confirmed Ed Reed sightings since the start of free agency...

Kelli Johnson ‏@kjohnsoncsn 21m Sources tell me Ed Reed is on his way to Houston! Texans and Reed still hashing out details but they're very close to finalizing deal.

Playoffs
03-21-2013, 06:45 PM
My sources are telling me Reed is holding out until the Texans bring Matt Turk back. :tomato:

Playoffs
03-21-2013, 06:46 PM
Um, wow.

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 2mJameel McClain on Ed Reed: 'But more importantly he is one of the greatest men I have had the chance to encounter.'

Jameel McClain told me: 'Ed Reed is the greatest safety to play this game.'


Don't like the guy...but DO respect him as an athlete. Welcome aboard "Broke jaw"...

I'll tell you, it's not very often I read the above depth of respect about an NFL player. Definitely gets the benefit of the doubt from me.

ASidd_1990
03-21-2013, 06:52 PM
My sources are telling me Reed is holding out until the Texans bring Matt Turk back. :tomato:

Matt Turk demanded too much $$$

:smiliepalm:

ThaJokaa
03-21-2013, 07:08 PM
Watch him bail out...

EllisUnit
03-21-2013, 07:28 PM
Watch him bail out...

Na i doubt it.

thunderkyss
03-21-2013, 08:26 PM
You did realize that was a joke hopefully.

Uh... yeah. I don't really live in a box off 610.


I repeat, I am not the homeless guy you see hunched over a laptop in a cardboard box under the 610 bridge.

thunderkyss
03-21-2013, 08:42 PM
Ok, I'm starting to think Ed's heart is not in it.

I'm getting the feeling that he wanted to get Baltimore to penny up & when he found out they have no value for him... he doesn't want to play anymore.

I think we're going to hear that he's going to retire after all.

Lurvinator11
03-21-2013, 08:47 PM
Ok, I'm starting to think Ed's heart is not in it.

I'm getting the feeling that he wanted to get Baltimore to penny up & when he found out they have no value for him... he doesn't want to play anymore.

I think we're going to hear that he's going to retire after all.

Then why didn't he just say he would retire, instead of informing us he is going to sign?

Texn4life
03-21-2013, 08:47 PM
This thread is like a really bad soap opera. And like a soap I think it'll last forever.

BullBlitz
03-21-2013, 09:07 PM
You mean a front office that fills in a hole in the defense?

Your the one who brought up the QB.

No, the one who fills a hole in the offense.

They didn't have a hole in the defense until they let Quin go. Once they did that, they created a hole. Then they filled that hole with an older veteran who will probably play one final year. Bravo. They're right back where they started from. With the exception that had they signed Quin, they wouldn't be facing this again next year. Sorry, I'm not going to congratulate them for solving a problem they could have avoided.

As for the QB, too bad they panicked last season and now we are stuck. As for WR, we have the best one in football. But until we get another one, he's going to continue score fewer than 10 TDs a year.

CloakNNNdagger
03-21-2013, 09:12 PM
Adam Schefter Adam SchefterVerified account ‏@AdamSchefter

Ed Reed is on verge of joining the Houston Texans, as @JasonLaCanfora has reported. Still ironing out deal. Texans officials now in air.

DX-TEX
03-21-2013, 09:15 PM
Adam Schefter Adam SchefterVerified account ‏@AdamSchefter

I have Schefter on my twitter feed and don't see that. Is it the old one from yesterday?

Lurvinator11
03-21-2013, 09:16 PM
I have Schefter on my twitter feed and don't see that. Is it the old one from yesterday?

Yes. Was about to say this was from yesterday.

DX-TEX
03-21-2013, 09:22 PM
http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/03/21/ed-reed-is-a-perfect-fit-with-the-houston-texans/

If any safety is forced to play in the box, it will be his new partner on the back end, Danieal Manning. Manning is so similar to Ravens’ last safety partner, Bernard Pollard, that he actually replaced him in Houston two seasons ago. It could be argued that Manning is actually better than Pollard at this point in his career.

Much of Reed’s time last season was spent covering for the Ravens’ depleted cornerback corps. Without Lardarius Webb, the defense was forced to adjust its approach. When Jimmy Smith was injured and under-performing, Reed was limited even more in the freelancing that he could do. In Houston, Reed will play inside two very talented cornerbacks in Kareem Jackson and Jonathan Joseph. Both had their issues in 2012, but both should be able to rebound in 2013.

Joseph in particular will make Reed’s job easier. When healthy and performing, he is an elite talent who quarterbacks will hesitate to target. If Reed has a cornerback who he can forget about watching over on the back end, then the area on the field he is required to cover is diluted. A diluted field means less distance to travel for Reed when he reads the quarterback or reacts to throws. By proxy, that should allow him to get his hands on more footballs.


Almost gets me excited for Old n busted.

htowntexans1985
03-21-2013, 09:27 PM
He's on his way to Houston right now. Just chill outl

Did he happen to say where he's flying in from? Japan? The Bermuda triangle? Or is he flying in via paragliding. :kitten:

PapaL
03-21-2013, 09:30 PM
That's it. Me and my smarta$$ remarks are checking out of this thread. Idk what is worse, some of these posts or the hunt for Reed...Ed not Brooks.

I'll be back after something happens.

417Texan
03-21-2013, 10:15 PM
Reed at a right price is worth it. This cat could make key plays to lead Texans to a super bowl.

Lurvinator11
03-21-2013, 10:19 PM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 2m
Ed Reed just arrived at airport. Will sign 3 yr deal Friday morn and b introduced at news conference.

Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26 3m
Ed Reed has arrived in Houston. Declined comment. Will sign 3-year deal tomorrow.

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 2m
#Texans RT @McClain_on_NFL: Ed Reed just arrived at airport. Will sign 3 yr deal Friday morn and b introduced at news conference.

There we go.

Lurvinator11
03-21-2013, 10:20 PM
Also, He refused to make a comment. Pancakes is more upset than the time the guy in front of him at the McDonalds drive through got the last McGriddle.

ASidd_1990
03-21-2013, 10:22 PM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 6m
Ed Reed just arrived at airport. Will sign 3 yr deal Friday morn and b introduced at news conference.

Reed refused to speak to reporters: "Not tonight. I'll catch y'all tomorrow."

We chased Reed all the way to parking lot after waiting 3 hrs and wouldn't give us courtesy of even stopping.

For 34 years I've met All-Pros and Hall of Famers at airport and can't remember any of them refusing to comment.

Oh well. It only matters what Reed does on the field. He was so nice when we met him last week, though.

Texans are a better team with Reed. It will be official in morning when he signs 3 year deal.

LOL Pancakes is salty at Ed Reed.

DocBar
03-21-2013, 10:30 PM
I'm not crazy about signing Ed Reed. I'd rather seen the money spent on Dumervil. Watt and Dumervil on the same DL would've been insane. I hope Reed can find the fountain of youth and perform up to his contract, but I just don't see it happening.

Smith better damned well get Cush and Watt signed to extensions.

imatexan
03-21-2013, 10:35 PM
Still really excited about signing Reed and curious what they exact numbers are but 3 years seems to be too long considering his age.

Texn4life
03-21-2013, 10:39 PM
McClain can be the biggest baby sometimes....... Let the man breathe, sign his contract, and then ask him all the questions you want. No one owes him anything no matter how much time he has covering the league.

ASidd_1990
03-21-2013, 10:40 PM
Still really excited about signing Reed and curious what they exact numbers are but 3 years seems to be too long considering his age.
Last year is most likely ungaraunteed.

infantrycak
03-21-2013, 10:45 PM
McClain can be the biggest baby sometimes....

McClain at the airport.

http://thescanlons.net/blog_photos/061025_elvis.jpg

Texn4life
03-21-2013, 10:48 PM
McClain at the airport.

http://thescanlons.net/blog_photos/061025_elvis.jpg

Lol rep! I mean seriously...... Reed is stepping into the city and has that guy approaching him right off the bat probably smiling at Reed like he's a sausage on a stick. I wouldn't stop and talk to him either.

wildroot
03-21-2013, 10:54 PM
If it's a 3 year deal, chances are he'd never make it to the 3rd year. They could have perked his interest by talking to him about moving into a coaching position.

ASidd_1990
03-21-2013, 11:52 PM
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 6m
Ed Reed's deal in Houston is for three years. Per source, Reed will make $6 million in Year 1.

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 3m
Max value of Ed Reed's deal is about $15 million over three years ... And, again, around $6 million in Year 1.

pissknocker
03-21-2013, 11:52 PM
Word is the deal is worth $15 mil over the three years. $6 mil for the first year

ASidd_1990
03-21-2013, 11:59 PM
Still waiting on how much of the contract is guaranteed.

SW H-TOWN
03-22-2013, 12:16 AM
So you want to start Keo? Or sign Huff? Or a rookie?

Look deal in reality. GQ is GONE. By by. Adios. Not an option. Look at the intangibles.
You think Reed is scared of Brady and the Pats?
You think Reed is scared of Manning and the Broncos?

Hellllllllllllllllllll no!

I agree with you about Keo, Huff, or a rookie but you forgot about Kerry Rhodes and Quintin Mikell.

False Start
03-22-2013, 12:56 AM
McClain at the airport.

He mad.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/d4101ee2-4f49-4382-a087-ecd3c0249fa9.jpg

Texn4life
03-22-2013, 03:00 AM
He mad.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/d4101ee2-4f49-4382-a087-ecd3c0249fa9.jpg

That's a very weird photo by all parties involved. Ed Reed looks terrified.

Playoffs
03-22-2013, 07:34 AM
That's a very weird photo by all parties involved. Ed Reed looks terrified.

Yeah, I think it was a bit over the top to chase him down at the airport. I'm sure Buffalo media did it for MW, but that was $100 million. Just wait for the official announcement/presser.

htowntexans1985
03-22-2013, 08:00 AM
The saga finally ends........

Houston Texans @
HoustonTexans

#Texans holding a press conference
today at 10am CT. Watch live on
HoustonTexans.com and #
TexansMobile app.

GP
03-22-2013, 08:36 AM
We have roughly $11 million in cap space, IIRC.

Ed Reed's first year is reportedly $6 million. Will all of that count against the cap this year, or will the amount of money for his first year--in terms of cap hit--be less because of signing bonus?

IF it was a total $6 million hit, and we can probably safely calculate about $3 million for rookies and PS guys, then it'll leave somewhere in the neighborhood of $2 million remaining that we can spend....and vet minimum contracts are fairly high. We might be looking at the draft and UDFAs to finish out the roster unless some contracts get re-structured to free up more cap space.

HOU-TEX
03-22-2013, 08:49 AM
I'm usually a ball of nerves when I fly. Having just got off the plane, I probably would've throat-chopped Pancakes. Or in his case, gobbler chopped him

kingtexan
03-22-2013, 08:50 AM
That's a very weird photo by all parties involved. Ed Reed looks terrified.

The last time he was surrounded by two fat white bald guys it may not have went well.

SAMURAITEXAN
03-22-2013, 08:54 AM
The last time he was surrounded by two fat white bald guys it may not have went well.

Yep, I get heartburn just looking at McClain.

417Texan
03-22-2013, 09:42 AM
Stay away...

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/03/ed-reed-to-be-introduced-as-newest-texan/

Titans Sux 72
03-22-2013, 09:45 AM
3 years. $15 mil. Only 5 million guaranteed. Per Matt Jackson.

If so that is brilliant.

Yeah Rick Smith is a loser.

Señor Stan
03-22-2013, 09:56 AM
3 years. $15 mil. Only 5 million guaranteed. Per Matt Jackson.

If so that is brilliant.

Yeah Rick Smith is a loser.

Wow...

When you look at we were talking about the possibility of franchising Glover at 6+million this move looks fantastic.

I still say draft a safety in the top 100....

DX-TEX
03-22-2013, 10:02 AM
http://www.houstontexans.com/

You can watch the conference live.

Titans Sux 72
03-22-2013, 10:11 AM
So you sign GQ for 5 years this franchise would be up chit creek when Cush and Watts come up.

Now you have ER for max 5 mil and if he plays a second year no big deal. If he retires no big deal.

Insideop
03-22-2013, 10:12 AM
Wow...

When you look at we were talking about the possibility of franchising Glover at 6+million this move looks fantastic.

I still say draft a safety in the top 100....

Don't know if they'll do that but they should pick one up in the mid rounds (3rd, 4th, or 5th). This is a deep safety class so they could find a good one in those mid rounds and let him develop under Reed and Manning.

SAMURAITEXAN
03-22-2013, 10:19 AM
Alright, it is official!

NitroGSXR
03-22-2013, 10:20 AM
It sure is good to see Ed Reed wearing a Texans hat in a Texans backdrop. I think I will see about contacting the Texans for some real-time captioning support. I really wish I knew what they were saying.

DX-TEX
03-22-2013, 10:21 AM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/MechDX/edreed_zps4e472390.png

:clap::clap::clap:

htowntexans1985
03-22-2013, 10:29 AM
Nick Scurfield @ NickScurfield
"I've been able to win a championship
with Andre Johnson. There’s no other
person that I want to help more to do
that." Ed Reed #Texans

We're ready as well Ed!!

HTown2ATX
03-22-2013, 10:31 AM
Nick Scurfield @ NickScurfield
"I've been able to win a championship
with Andre Johnson. There’s no other
person that I want to help more to do
that." Ed Reed #Texans

We're ready as well Ed!!

Yeah I'm listening to the presser live, that was the one part that caught my ear so far. I liked that!

srrono
03-22-2013, 10:35 AM
NFLN just said Reed deal is 3yrs 16mil 5 mil guaranteed

The Pencil Neck
03-22-2013, 10:35 AM
3 years, $15 mill, and only $5 mill guaranteed?

No wonder Ed was trying to work the phones and get more. And no wonder it took him so long to sign.

That doesn't look "desperate" at all from our side.

Good job, Rick!

76Texan
03-22-2013, 10:40 AM
NFLN just said Reed deal is 3yrs 16mil 5 mil guaranteed

3 years, $15 mill, and only $5 mill guaranteed?

No wonder Ed was trying to work the phones and get more. And no wonder it took him so long to sign.

That doesn't look "desperate" at all from our side.

Good job, Rick!

According to this, it's 3 years for a max of $15M.
http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000152762/reed-signs-threeyear-15m-deal-with-texans/

Reed will get $6M the first year.
I guess that will be the cap hit for 2013 as well.

C Madd
03-22-2013, 10:43 AM
He seems legitimately excited to be in Houston and playing with the rest of the Texans' defense. It is going to be awesome to see him in the secondary this year!

DX-TEX
03-22-2013, 10:44 AM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/MechDX/reedjersey_zps34027f43.png

:kitten:

FirstTexansFan
03-22-2013, 10:44 AM
For a future HOF, he came across as quite humble and sincere.... reminded me of AJ... definitely a plus for this team.

Yankee_In_TX
03-22-2013, 10:45 AM
So was he there when Ohio State beat Dre in 2002?

I had been weary of this signing, but now that the numbers are out holy crap. This deal is so good for so many reasons! Love it.

srrono
03-22-2013, 10:45 AM
According to this, it's 3 years for a max of $15M.
http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000152762/reed-signs-threeyear-15m-deal-with-texans/

Reed will get $6M the first year.
I guess that will be the cap hit for 2013 as well.

At 5 mil guaranteed it tells me if Reed continues his decline HOU can cut him next year with no dead money. I am hoping HOU drafts a S to learn under Reed this year.

HOU-TEX
03-22-2013, 10:45 AM
I'm not certain how the Reed signing's going to work out here, but I know this, he seems like an awesome dude. Seeing him cuttin up with McNair while taking the pictures was great. Seems like a down to Earth cat to me

Welcome to H-town, Edward

SAMURAITEXAN
03-22-2013, 10:46 AM
Welcome to Houston Ed!!!!!!!

b0ng
03-22-2013, 10:46 AM
Seeing the contract now I have to say that is a great signing for very little risk for the Texans. I think they know that he's not the solution they need for the long term, but it's nice that if he doesn't perform this year they can cut him and not be dealing with his contract for the next couple of years.

michaelm
03-22-2013, 10:48 AM
Honestly, I didn't think this signing was going to happen, and was also not very high on it initially, but I have to admit that I am pretty pumped about it now.
My impression is that Reed would never have considered signing with the Texans unless he thought they had a legit chance to win it all. Just listening to him speak, you can tell he really believes they can win a championship.

HOU-TEX
03-22-2013, 10:50 AM
BTW, he already has the #20. I guess Carmichael just handed it over or something?

Rey
03-22-2013, 10:50 AM
Biggest free agent signing in the team's history.

NitroGSXR
03-22-2013, 10:53 AM
BTW, he already has the #20. I guess Carmichael just handed it over or something?

Yeah, I'd be interested in hearing how that worked itself out. Hopefully it was something positive like the Ahman Green/Jason Simmons thing.

SAMURAITEXAN
03-22-2013, 10:54 AM
BTW, he already has the #20. I guess Carmichael just handed it over or something?

If I were Carmichael, I would. Wouldn't you?

DX-TEX
03-22-2013, 10:54 AM
BTW, he already has the #20. I guess Carmichael just handed it over or something?

Ray Lewis called him

Roc: This is Roc!
Ray: My boy Ed wants to wear #20
Roc: But its my number!
Ray: Ill shank you!
Roc: hands over jersey in fear

NitroGSXR
03-22-2013, 10:56 AM
If I were Carmichael, I would. Wouldn't you?

Nope. I'd want some money if I had the size of Carmichael's meager contract.

Doppelganger
03-22-2013, 10:56 AM
He played some for the Broncos in 2011 and was signed to a reserve/future contract recently. I guess he's still a bubble player .

Considering he was an UDFA, thats pretty good that he has still managed to hang around on a roster. There are lots of guys who were drafted in 2009 and are now out of the league.

HOU-TEX
03-22-2013, 10:57 AM
Ray Lewis called him

Roc: This is Roc!
Ray: My boy Ed wants to wear #20
Roc: But its my number!
Ray: Ill shank you!
Roc: hands over jersey in fear

Heh, a little harsh, but funny stuff :lol:

TexanSam
03-22-2013, 10:58 AM
Considering he was an UDFA, thats pretty good that he has still managed to hang around on a roster. There are lots of guys who were drafted in 2009 and are now out of the league.

If I had to guess, I'd say 90% of undrafted free agents are out of the league within a year.

ArlingtonTexan
03-22-2013, 11:00 AM
Yeah, I'd be interested in hearing how that worked itself out. Hopefully it was something positive like the Ahman Green/Jason Simmons thing.

Usually, there is money from the vet either to the player directly or a charity (see Green case). as much a goodwill move on the vet's part as anything.

HOU-TEX
03-22-2013, 11:02 AM
Usually, there is money from the vet either to the player directly or a charity (see Green case). as much a goodwill move on the vet's part as anything.

That's the thing. Reed didn't even know. Ganguli heard what Reed was saying to McNair. So, it was the Texans that took the number. Or Roc offered it up

Tania Ganguli‏@taniaganguli16m
"I thought someone else had it. I thought we were gonna have to have a conversation," Reed on this jersey

76Texan
03-22-2013, 11:21 AM
At 5 mil guaranteed it tells me if Reed continues his decline HOU can cut him next year with no dead money. I am hoping HOU drafts a S to learn under Reed this year.

Ok so he's only guaranteed $5M but he can earn $6M in the first year.

I'm thinking $5M signing bonus and $1M base.
The $1M base will need to be prorated over the games played; ie. he only earns the full $1M if he play all 16 games.

Or perhaps, there's a bonus for making it to the play-offs?

76Texan
03-22-2013, 11:26 AM
Considering he was an UDFA, thats pretty good that he has still managed to hang around on a roster. There are lots of guys who were drafted in 2009 and are now out of the league.

If I had to guess, I'd say 90% of undrafted free agents are out of the league within a year.

Yeah, I think Jeremiah Johnson has done pretty well for an UDFA; I remember linking some videos showing his mean stiff arm in his evaluation thread.

handswarmer
03-22-2013, 11:53 AM
There's still a remote chance. Reed hasn't put pen to contract - our contract - yet. I think he's still hoping Ozzie coughs up a few more bucks to let him come back to the Ravens.

Ozzie's Philosophy is always "Right player/Right Price".

And he would always rather let a player go 1 year too early than 1 year too late.

b0ng
03-22-2013, 12:03 PM
Ozzie's Philosophy is always "Right player/Right Price".

And he would always rather let a player go 1 year too early than 1 year too late.

It's wise to do this right now after a SB win when he pretty much has carte blanche to do whatever he wants with the roster. Nobody is going to howl for Newsome to go because most of the defense left this offseason.

handswarmer
03-22-2013, 12:26 PM
It's wise to do this right now after a SB win when he pretty much has carte blanche to do whatever he wants with the roster. Nobody is going to howl for Newsome to go because most of the defense left this offseason.

Its more about Harbaugh flexing his muscles than Newsome.

b0ng
03-22-2013, 12:28 PM
Its more about Harbaugh flexing his muscles than Newsome.

They've worked together long enough that I doubt one is doing something without the other really knowing about it.

badboy
03-22-2013, 12:31 PM
Reed to be on NFL Network 6pm central time tonight (March 22).

SCOTTexans
03-22-2013, 01:02 PM
3 years. $15 mil. Only 5 million guaranteed. Per Matt Jackson.

If so that is brilliant.


At that price, i always wondered if there were hookers in the private jet, guess i know now.

texan279
03-22-2013, 01:06 PM
Glad this is over. Even more relieved at the contract numbers I am hearing. Welcome to Houston Ed!! :fans:

handswarmer
03-22-2013, 01:09 PM
They've worked together long enough that I doubt one is doing something without the other really knowing about it.

Ozzie has been there longer; he would know about it but its still Harbaugh's call.

b0ng
03-22-2013, 01:11 PM
Ozzie has been there longer; he would know about it but its still Harbaugh's call.

Glad we agree then!

Double Barrel
03-22-2013, 01:16 PM
Man, how can you not be excited as a Texans fan!! :texflag: :fans:

I always sort of dreaded when the Texans played the Ravens because of Ed Reed. I remember the last couple of years telling my buddy how awesome it would be to have a dude of his caliber on the team. News is still sinking in, but wow, this is fantastic.

djohn2oo8
03-22-2013, 01:32 PM
Reed already worked out with some of his Texan teammates. :)

thunderkyss
03-22-2013, 01:51 PM
BTW, he already has the #20. I guess Carmichael just handed it over or something?

They probably just made it for the press conference (that's probably why they were waiting so long to announce it). It's like the Watt or Mario jersey with the #1 on it. Doesn't really mean anything.

OTH, I bet there will be a few days this offseason where Carmichael doesn't have a job if he doesn't agree to relinquish the number.

ObsiWan
03-22-2013, 01:52 PM
"Man, I hope this new guy never runs with the Twos. He'll pick off everything I throw deep. Just like he did in that playoff game."

Signed, T. J. Yates

:bender:

Seriously, regarding the as-reported contract structure...

:bravo: :fans: :bravo:

thunderkyss
03-22-2013, 02:02 PM
I really liked McNair's comments at the press conference. You can tell he's become quite the student of the game.

76Texan
03-22-2013, 02:04 PM
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=9084143&city=bostonI really liked McNair's comments at the press conference. You can tell he's become quite the student of the game.

bhsman
03-22-2013, 02:24 PM
Happy birthday, JJ! :swatter:







...:kitten:

76Texan
03-22-2013, 02:44 PM
Dang, this thread surpassed the Fire Kubiak thread in a flash, LOL!

76Texan
03-22-2013, 03:00 PM
Ed Reed: "There's going to be some trouble for a lot of people to come this fall; we've got a squad, man,"

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000152798/reed-texans-defense-ready-to-create-some-trouble/

Obviously, it's just words.

But it's gonna be interesting for sure to see how and if Wade can make this defense blossom; something that was sorely missing last year.

Mr teX
03-22-2013, 03:33 PM
Ed Reed: "There's going to be some trouble for a lot of people to come this fall; we've got a squad, man,"

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000152798/reed-texans-defense-ready-to-create-some-trouble/

Obviously, it's just words.

But it's gonna be interesting for sure to see how and if Wade can make this defense blossom; something that was sorely missing last year.


ooohhhhh, ya'll in trouuubbbbllleee...
http://stuckinlab.tumblr.com/post/22233759656/when-someone-gets-called-out-in-lecture

the wonger need food
03-22-2013, 03:35 PM
Great job by Rick Smith getting this deal done along with retaining McCain. However, the game of football will always be won in the trenches and it seems like this area has gone largely neglected the past few offseasons. This team really needs a NT and RT.

ObsiWan
03-22-2013, 03:59 PM
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Soap Opera over
/Thread
:D

PapaL
03-22-2013, 04:09 PM
Great job by Rick Smith getting this deal done along with retaining McCain. However, the game of football will always be won in the trenches and it seems like this area has gone largely neglected the past few offseasons. This team really needs a NT and RT.

Heard of that JJ Watt guy? He was recently drafted. Might even play in the trenches. Last years #1 too.

Are you so negative about everything in life?!? Good lord, enjoy the moment.

The Pencil Neck
03-22-2013, 04:20 PM
Great job by Rick Smith getting this deal done along with retaining McCain. However, the game of football will always be won in the trenches and it seems like this area has gone largely neglected the past few offseasons. This team really needs a NT and RT.

Yeah. We haven't drafted any offensive or defensive linemen the past couple of years.

Oh.

Wait.

:wadepalm:

GP
03-22-2013, 04:52 PM
Its more about Harbaugh flexing his muscles than Newsome.

Or it's more about Flacco's contract flexing the muscles.

But yeah, if the idea that Newsome is smart or Harbaugh is flexing muscles helps Ravens fans cope with the departure of six key players in one off-season...sure, whatev.

I'll say this: I'd blow this team up, too, if meant we had just won a Super Bowl. You guys have what, two titles? And even after the first title, your team was still extremely competitive every single year it seemed.

Our owner has always stated or hinted that the Baltimore Ravens are a team he admires in many ways. You guys got Leach, Pollard and Jones from us. It remains to be seen, but hopefully us getting Reed from you guys will boost us into hopefully at least an AFCC game.

GP
03-22-2013, 04:56 PM
They probably just made it for the press conference (that's probably why they were waiting so long to announce it). It's like the Watt or Mario jersey with the #1 on it. Doesn't really mean anything.

OTH, I bet there will be a few days this offseason where Carmichael doesn't have a job if he doesn't agree to relinquish the number.

Pretty sure this is what happened:

1. They had him pose with a #20 because Ed has always been #20. It's just for show. It's showing that he's with Houston now.

2. Ed and Roc will organize a "pony show" jersey number transaction during camp, which make for good P.R., and that's when he'll have #20.

Nothing to see here, fans, it was just us letting him pose with the number he's always been. A #1 jersey is for first round draft picks, there'd be no sense in having Ed hold up a #1 jersey. So they used the number he's always had.

RT22
03-22-2013, 05:09 PM
I have to admit that I didn't think this signing would happen. I admit I was wrong. I think Reed will bring a lot more to the team than just what is expected. I think he could really help the offense mainly Schuab and young WR's in how and what to look for so to speak.

ATXtexanfan
03-22-2013, 05:17 PM
Has their ever been a hundred page thread?

ATXtexanfan
03-22-2013, 05:20 PM
Oh wait babe of the day is like 300 pgs

Texn4life
03-22-2013, 05:43 PM
I have to admit that I didn't think this signing would happen. I admit I was wrong. I think Reed will bring a lot more to the team than just what is expected. I think he could really help the offense mainly Schuab and young WR's in how and what to look for so to speak.

I think this is a really good point you're making. Reed is a student of the game, and I'm sure has a book on Schaub and the Texans offense. It would be smart for Kubiak to pick his brain on ways the offense could be better. Rep to you for mentioning that.

htowntexans1985
03-22-2013, 05:52 PM
FWIW reed is about to appear on NFL network at 6 pm. He just sang "two tickets to paradiiiiiiiiise" LOL.

the wonger need food
03-22-2013, 06:37 PM
I'm sure has a book on Schaub and the Texans offense.

My 1st grader could comprehend that book with relative ease and probably game plan effectively against Kubiak. The basics are as follows:

- Schaub is a weak-armed statue that will start going fetal at the first sign of pressure
- Flush Schaub from the pocket and he is zero threat to run and will throw the ball away 99 out of 100 times
- Schaub will throw the ball 6 yards on most 3rd and 10 situations
- Anything over 12 yards on third down will be a RB draw
- There is zero threat of any trick plays and zero creativity. An end around is the most complex play the offense will ever run
- Kubiak loves to kick field goals. Keep the offense outside the 35 and they will settle for FG attempts
- If the offense does get inside the 20 they will likely call run, run, pass on almost every set of downs

the wonger need food
03-22-2013, 06:39 PM
Man, I really like what I've seen and heard from Reed. Seems like he's going to be a great teammate and leader for the defense.

Texn4life
03-22-2013, 06:47 PM
My 1st grader could comprehend that book with relative ease and probably game plan effectively against Kubiak. The basics are as follows:

- Schaub is a weak-armed statue that will start going fetal at the first sign of pressure
- Flush Schaub from the pocket and he is zero threat to run and will throw the ball away 99 out of 100 times
- Schaub will throw the ball 6 yards on most 3rd and 10 situations
- Anything over 12 yards on third down will be a RB draw
- There is zero threat of any trick plays and zero creativity. An end around is the most complex play the offense will ever run
- Kubiak loves to kick field goals. Keep the offense outside the 35 and they will settle for FG attempts
- If the offense does get inside the 20 they will likely call run, run, pass on almost every set of downs

Not saying that anything that you said is wrong, but I doubt your 1st grader or yourself would be able to convince Kubiak that there's a flaw to his approach. A future HOFer that you just brought in who's played against you 3 times in the last 2 years may be able to though. I hope Ed is brutally honest with him and Schaub too.

Lucky
03-22-2013, 06:48 PM
Arian Foster!
agreed with Chicago on one year deal but the Texans lured him away with a 2 year deal.
That doesn't really make sense. The contract isn't guaranteed and Foster would have been an exclusive rights free agent after year 1 or year 2. The reasons to go with the Texans would have been opportunity, signing bonus, and the weather.

Arian made the right choice.

EllisUnit
03-22-2013, 06:59 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/NFL_Network_Reed_with_Siciliano/47a8f49a-658b-418a-bf13-f55f153a2cb3

I'm not gonna lie i was never really a big fan of the guy but what he says here in the last 2 minutes really made me like Ed Reed. Wow never gained so much respect from someone over something so small.

Yeah i know it might be strande that it took that for me to really like him, but what can i say :)

Titans Sux 72
03-22-2013, 07:13 PM
Heard of that JJ Watt guy? He was recently drafted. Might even play in the trenches. Last years #1 too.

Are you so negative about everything in life?!? Good lord, enjoy the moment.

I concur. Complete fail.

thunderkyss
03-22-2013, 08:13 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/NFL_Network_Reed_with_Siciliano/47a8f49a-658b-418a-bf13-f55f153a2cb3

I'm not gonna lie i was never really a big fan of the guy but what he says here in the last 2 minutes really made me like Ed Reed. Wow never gained so much respect from someone over something so small.

Yeah i know it might be strande that it took that for me to really like him, but what can i say :)

I wouldn't call myself a fan of his either, but I always respected what he does. I'm really excited to have him on our team, finally we have someone with a reputation for making QBs pay. We never had a guy with a reputation for getting interceptions, not like this, not where Bradies or Mannings had to look for a particular person in our secondary.

Yeah, Jjo, Manning & Kjax are going to make it hard on receivers & QBs, but they don't have a reputation like Reed.

I know he's not the same guy he used to be, but we have two very nice corners & a nice safety in Manning, Reed's box just got a lot smaller. Especially with Watt & Antonio up front.

False Start
03-22-2013, 10:03 PM
Loved how he came across in the presser, it's gonna be cool to see him as a Texan next season.

SAMURAITEXAN
03-22-2013, 11:35 PM
General manager Rick Smith was not surprised when told free safety Ed Reed was working out in the Texans’ weight room about an hour after his introductory news conference.

“Every time I’ve spoken with Ed, whether on the phone or in person, he was either working out or on his way to work out,” Smith said. “That’s the kind of player he is. That’s the kind of dedication he has.”

After Smith got Reed under a three-year, $15 million contract that counts only $3.33 million against the salary cap this year, he turned his attention to punter Shane Lechler.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/

Talk about work ethic!

The Pencil Neck
03-22-2013, 11:37 PM
Wait.

$3.33 million against the cap this year?

We could still make some moves without even restructuring.

Texn4life
03-22-2013, 11:40 PM
Wait.

$3.33 million against the cap this year?

We could still make some moves without even restructuring.

One of the guys more familiar with the cap would know better than me, but I think we have to leave some for rookie signings.

The Pencil Neck
03-22-2013, 11:53 PM
One of the guys more familiar with the cap would know better than me, but I think we have to leave some for rookie signings.

Yes, we do. But the rookies salaries are pretty much locked in and not very negotiable. Add that to the fact that we're drafting relatively late, the contracts for the rookies aren't going to be that big.

IIRC, we had $11 million of cap space. We were expecting Reed to take about $6 million of that space this year. Along with Lechler's signing, THAT would leave us enough room for nothing but signing the rookies and vet-minimum contracts without someone re-structuring. But if we've got an extra $2.7 million, that means we might still be able to get one of the better free agents still on the market. (And of course, we can always restructure someone.)

Texn4life
03-22-2013, 11:59 PM
Yes, we do. But the rookies salaries are pretty much locked in and not very negotiable. Add that to the fact that we're drafting relatively late, the contracts for the rookies aren't going to be that big.

IIRC, we had $11 million of cap space. We were expecting Reed to take about $6 million of that space this year. Along with Lechler's signing, THAT would leave us enough room for nothing but signing the rookies and vet-minimum contracts without someone re-structuring. But if we've got an extra $2.7 million, that means we might still be able to get one of the better free agents still on the market. (And of course, we can always restructure someone.)

I hope you're right....... It would be nice to plug a couple of more holds heading into the draft so we have more flexibility.

The Pencil Neck
03-23-2013, 12:03 AM
I hope you're right....... It would be nice to plug a couple of more holds heading into the draft so we have more flexibility.

I'm not saying we WILL do that. But Reed isn't going to be as much of a cap hit as we expected so... maybe MAYBE we'll make another move.

Although we'll probably wait a while because the longer we wait, the lower the contracts go.

SAMURAITEXAN
03-23-2013, 12:14 AM
Sign one more veteran LB, NT or WR would be nice.

Texn4life
03-23-2013, 12:15 AM
I'm not saying we WILL do that. But Reed isn't going to be as much of a cap hit as we expected so... maybe MAYBE we'll make another move.

Although we'll probably wait a while because the longer we wait, the lower the contracts go.

I think an argument can be made for waiting or not waiting. Get best value in the draft, get the players you really love at the positions you need, and then wait until after to fill in the holes. Or, address a few positions before, go BPA in some spots in the draft you wouldn't have possibly been able to, and fill in some needs in the draft as well. There will still be some quality free agents out there after the draft though.

76Texan
03-23-2013, 01:13 AM
Yes, we do. But the rookies salaries are pretty much locked in and not very negotiable. Add that to the fact that we're drafting relatively late, the contracts for the rookies aren't going to be that big.

IIRC, we had $11 million of cap space. We were expecting Reed to take about $6 million of that space this year. Along with Lechler's signing, THAT would leave us enough room for nothing but signing the rookies and vet-minimum contracts without someone re-structuring. But if we've got an extra $2.7 million, that means we might still be able to get one of the better free agents still on the market. (And of course, we can always restructure someone.)

We had less than $11M.
With the signing of McCain, Gardner, Reed, and Lechler plus the rookie (Not all of the guys on the reserve/future list will make it, releasing a little cap space there) my estimation is that the Texans is right up to the limit; maybe with a Mil to spare.

Any more signing will require restructuring a player or a cut.

Looks like Reed got a $4M signing bonus plus $1M base salary in 2013 (and an incentive for playing time of anothe $1M).

The signing bonus is pro-rated for 3 years, such that 1/3 is counted against the cap this year ($1.333+1+1= $3.333M).

The Pencil Neck
03-23-2013, 01:29 AM
We had less than $11M.
With the signing of McCain, Gardner, Reed, and Lechler plus the rookie (Not all of the guys on the reserve/future list will make it, releasing a little cap space there) my estimation is that the Texans is right up to the limit; maybe with a Mil to spare.

Any more signing will require restructuring a player or a cut.

Looks like Reed got a $4M signing bonus plus $1M base salary in 2013 (and an incentive for playing time of anothe $1M).

The signing bonus is pro-rated for 3 years, such that 1/3 is counted against the cap this year ($1.333+1+1= $3.333M).

Ah, well. I'd hoped that extra 2.7 would be able to be used on someone.

thunderkyss
03-23-2013, 07:50 AM
After Smith got Reed under a three-year, $15 million contract that counts only $3.33 million against the salary cap this year, he turned his attention to punter Shane Lechler.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/

Talk about work ethic!

& we're talking about $5.5M guaranteed..... yup, slowly starting to like Rick Smith (slowerly starting to think Greg Olsen is worth the air he breaths).

TEXANRED
03-23-2013, 08:29 AM
Ed Reed = The Beard part II. I think Harden and Reed should have a beard off.

ObsiWan
03-23-2013, 09:13 AM
Ed Reed = The Beard part II. I think Harden and Reed should have a beard off.

Well RocketBeard seems to be worth his paycheck. Let's hope TexansBeard will work out too.

GP
03-23-2013, 09:57 AM
This FO is completely incompetent.

Signed,

Most of you prior to Friday

drs23
03-23-2013, 10:06 AM
This FO is completely incompetent.

Signed,

Most of you prior to Friday

Sitting idly on their hands as we watch every other team get better. Utter incompetence. Off with their heads! :kitten:

GP
03-23-2013, 10:33 AM
The impatience was what ticked me off.

All of us agreed that we should walk away if he wanted $7+...there's not been a beef over that issue.

What was frustrating, to me, was to see the impatience that resulted in posts claiming we were wasting time and going to miss out on other FAs.

Now that we see we landed Ed at a crazy friendly price, considering Glover Quin would have been a much more expensive option, it shows that patience pays off.

I was all for us walking away if he kept dragging his feet, and who knows...we might have told Ed that we had a Plan B and Plan C ready to go with if he didn't sign Friday. Never know.

I'd like us to add a vet minimum FA player or two to end our off-season spending, then re-structure a few guys if a free agent needs signing after the draft, before or during camp.

Then roll with what we got and see what happens in September. Hopefully January goes better this time around.

Playoffs
03-23-2013, 10:36 AM
This FO is completely incompetent.

Signed,

Most of you prior to Friday

Yep. http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq165/junah42/Snark/Falme/stickfigure50x30ani.gif

76Texan
03-23-2013, 10:47 AM
We had less than $11M.
With the signing of McCain, Gardner, Reed, and Lechler plus the rookie (Not all of the guys on the reserve/future list will make it, releasing a little cap space there) my estimation is that the Texans is right up to the limit; maybe with a Mil to spare.

Any more signing will require restructuring a player or a cut.

Looks like Reed got a $4M signing bonus plus $1M base salary in 2013 (and an incentive for playing time of anothe $1M).

The signing bonus is pro-rated for 3 years, such that 1/3 is counted against the cap this year ($1.333+1+1= $3.333M).

Ah, well. I'd hoped that extra 2.7 would be able to be used on someone.

Upon further study of the salary cap rules, the Texans are still able to sign at least one more "quality" player even though at first look, the team is up to the cap space.

The reason being not all of the year-one cap charge to rookies apply until later, with the Texans already having more than 51 players under contract with salaries that are at least equitable in cap accounting.

My estimate is that the Texans can still sign another player with the same cap charge as Ed Reed without going over the cap.

Some players will have to be cut down the road at the time when the rules require the Texans to do so to stay under the cap (I'm not sure of the time - I need to study further about the effect of the June 1 designation among other things.)

In summary, if the Texans choose to go "win-now" mode, we may still see another signing or two. And they can sign a few players to the vet minimum as well. Free Agency doesn't have to end for the Texans yet.

dalemurphy
03-23-2013, 11:58 AM
Upon further study of the salary cap rules, the Texans are still able to sign at least one more "quality" player even though at first look, the team is up to the cap space.

The reason being not all of the year-one cap charge to rookies apply until later, with the Texans already having more than 51 players under contract with salaries that are at least equitable in cap accounting.

My estimate is that the Texans can still sign another player with the same cap charge as Ed Reed without going over the cap.

Some players will have to be cut down the road at the time when the rules require the Texans to do so to stay under the cap (I'm not sure of the time - I need to study further about the effect of the June 1 designation among other things.)

In summary, if the Texans choose to go "win-now" mode, we may still see another signing or two. And they can sign a few players to the vet minimum as well. Free Agency doesn't have to end for the Texans yet.


Given that the Texans have not asked Schaub, A.Smith, W.Smith, Foster, or OD to restructure, they can easily free an additional couple million dollars for the cap with minimal effort and harm to the cap moving forward. Also, this is a unique free agent market. There has never been this much talent free with so few available dollars in the history of the modern NFL.

Here's the list: http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/available/

PapaL
03-23-2013, 12:18 PM
I don't see another move happening until after the draft.

Vinny
03-23-2013, 12:34 PM
I don't see another move happening until after the draft. they won't go into the draft with holes at starting spots...they will sign a mlb and a wr. I'd just about bet money we sign an old vet or two.

thunderkyss
03-23-2013, 01:20 PM
Now that we see we landed Ed at a crazy friendly price, considering Glover Quin would have been a much more expensive option, it shows that patience pays off.


Why do you say that? Quin's deal is pretty cap friendly as well. Maybe $1M more this year & next, but still friendly.

EllisUnit
03-23-2013, 02:51 PM
Why do you say that? Quin's deal is pretty cap friendly as well. Maybe $1M more this year & next, but still friendly.

Here's my deal, Quin was a long term fix. We would of had safety spot rapped up with him for next 5-6 years. Reed is a short term fix. Either way we wouldn't of broken the bank. I think that we were eyeing reed all along problably the reason we never really tried to resign Quin. I guess we will see if it pays off our not this season.

The Pencil Neck
03-23-2013, 02:54 PM
Here's my deal, Quin was a long term fix. We would of had safety spot rapped up with him for next 5-6 years. Reed is a short term fix. Either way we wouldn't of broken the bank. I think that we were eyeing reed all along problably the reason we never really tried to resign Quin. I guess we will see if it pays off our not this season.

I think the coaching staff wasn't all that thrilled with Quin's development. I think that Wade and Vance sat down with Rick and said, "Hey, listen. Quin's been fine so far but we can do better. Why don't we upgrade the position in the short term by getting a more ball-hawking vet and then draft that guy's replacement for the long term, letting they rook learn from a great."

Sure, we could have had Quin signed and on the team for several years but that's not a "fix". That's a "more of the same."

Texn4life
03-23-2013, 05:03 PM
There's only one thing I'm concerned about with Reed. He was suspended for a game last year because of accumulated hits on a defenseless player. The league later overturned it and fined him $50K. I hope it doesn't get in his head too much and take away his aggressiveness and I worry about the league trying to suspend him this year if he does happen to pick up a penalty. Its no wonder why he was trying to get as much money as possible.

EllisUnit
03-23-2013, 05:44 PM
There's only one thing I'm concerned about with Reed. He was suspended for a game last year because of accumulated hits on a defenseless player. The league later overturned it and fined him $50K. I hope it doesn't get in his head too much and take away his aggressiveness and I worry about the league trying to suspend him this year if he does happen to pick up a penalty. Its no wonder why he was trying to get as much money as possible.

Now days you get a penalty if you look at the QB wrong, you now get one if you lead hit/tackle with the crown of your helmet this includes defense tackling or hitting a player.

This league is out of control. These guys know the risks of playing the game. It is a choice they make and the career they choose. This may be off subject but if the NFL wants to remain the most popular sport in the world than it better chill out with all these dumb rules for player safety otherwise there wont be any players to protect cause the NFL will be a thing of the past IMO.

GP
03-23-2013, 05:59 PM
Why do you say that? Quin's deal is pretty cap friendly as well. Maybe $1M more this year & next, but still friendly.

No it's not.

Heh...If a million is no big deal to you, then I don't know what to say.

Texn4life
03-23-2013, 06:24 PM
Now days you get a penalty if you look at the QB wrong, you now get one if you lead hit/tackle with the crown of your helmet this includes defense tackling or hitting a player.

This league is out of control. These guys know the risks of playing the game. It is a choice they make and the career they choose. This may be off subject but if the NFL wants to remain the most popular sport in the world than it better chill out with all these dumb rules for player safety otherwise there wont be any players to protect cause the NFL will be a thing of the past IMO.

I understand why they're doing it, but for guys who have been taught to play the game a certain way all of their lives its not that easy to just switch it up all of a sudden. The play where Reed was fined was a hit where he turns trying not to just blow the guy up and hits him with his shoulder.

beerlover
03-23-2013, 06:38 PM
I think the coaching staff wasn't all that thrilled with Quin's development. I think that Wade and Vance sat down with Rick and said, "Hey, listen. Quin's been fine so far but we can do better. Why don't we upgrade the position in the short term by getting a more ball-hawking vet and then draft that guy's replacement for the long term, letting they rook learn from a great."

Sure, we could have had Quin signed and on the team for several years but that's not a "fix". That's a "more of the same."

Quin's lack of ball skills is what led to his demise here in Houston.

EllisUnit
03-23-2013, 06:41 PM
I understand why they're doing it, but for guys who have been taught to play the game a certain way all of their lives its not that easy to just switch it up all of a sudden. The play where Reed was fined was a hit where he turns trying not to just blow the guy up and hits him with his shoulder.

My whole point is that playing in the NFL is voluntary employment. If the guys are scared of getting hurt then they need to go get regular jobs making what we make. I know a lot of people who have already lost interest in the NFL over how powder puff it has become. They will only begin to lose more and more fans. And they will either have to go back old school or watch the game disappear.

At my job you have to sign a contract just to work here, stating that if you are hurt on the job or have and long term injuries after employment because of work assignments that the company is not liable. NFL implement the same thing and we can go back to some hard hitting.

Texn4life
03-23-2013, 06:55 PM
My whole point is that playing in the NFL is voluntary employment. If the guys are scared of getting hurt then they need to go get regular jobs making what we make. I know a lot of people who have already lost interest in the NFL over how powder puff it has become. They will only begin to lose more and more fans. And they will either have to go back old school or watch the game disappear.

At my job you have to sign a contract just to work here, stating that if you are hurt on the job or have and long term injuries after employment because of work assignments that the company is not liable. NFL implement the same thing and we can go back to some hard hitting.

I understand, and its no different than any other dangerous job. Growing up around the refineries its the same way, but when that refinery fails to provide safety to their employees it still opens them up to litigation if one of their employees gets injured or dies.

GP
03-23-2013, 07:45 PM
Quin's lack of ball skills is what led to his demise here in Houston.

I don't know why everyone was so pissy about us letting Quin walk to the Lions.

For the price he was able to command, and how (IMO, at least) he had hit his ceiling, the idea of a truly 100% badass Ed Reed ballhawking at Free Safety for us rather than Quin...and a smooth $1 million LESS than Quin???

That's a no brainer on pure past performance measurables alone.

This could end up being the steal of free agency, actually. If things gel and the defense stays healthy. Best four-man secondary in the game right now. J-Jo and KJ at the corners, and Manning and Reed at safety. A lot of other teams would shoot a man after he left a car wash for that type of secondary. Then finish the guy off a few months down the road. #MarvinHarrisonStyle

thunderkyss
03-23-2013, 07:55 PM
I think the coaching staff wasn't all that thrilled with Quin's development. I think that Wade and Vance sat down with Rick and said, "Hey, listen. Quin's been fine so far but we can do better. Why don't we upgrade the position in the short term by getting a more ball-hawking vet and then draft that guy's replacement for the long term, letting they rook learn from a great."

Sure, we could have had Quin signed and on the team for several years but that's not a "fix". That's a "more of the same."

I think Andre called Reed to congratulate him after the Super Bowl. Reed saw the writing on the wall & asked Andre to get him to Houston. Andre passed his wishes on to the Texans F.O. Bob, Gary, Cal, Rick, & Wade congregated & asked themselves, is this team better with or without Ed Reed.

Once that was settled, they had to figure out how they could make it happen. It would cost too much to cut/trade Manning. We also just got him so it wouldn't make a lot of sense. I on the other hand was already trying to trade/cut him before the 2014 season, but that's neither here nor there.

Manning, imo, is good & versatile. He can play centerfield & he can play in the box. He's not as good as Quin in the box, imo, even though he is a better blitzer. He's not as good as Reed in Centerfield. In the long run, I think this team would have been better with Quin, but Reeds reputation is what they need on the field in 2013. QBs will be looking for Watt on the line, Cushing in the flats, & Reed deep.

I think they were confident they could get Ed Reed for a "fair" value. They allowed Quin to leave for what they thought was roughly the same money..... it just worked out that they got Reed for less than what Quin signed for.


No it's not.

Heh...If a million is no big deal to you, then I don't know what to say.

$1M of Bob's money, of the Texans' cap space...... not a big deal to me.


Quin's lack of ball skills is what led to his demise here in Houston.

He defensed 14 balls, intercepted 2, & I think forced a fumble. He's not a ballhawk, but his ball skills are fine. Different, but fine. & he's only getting better.

I really hate losing Quin, but I'd have most likely done the same thing given the circumstances.

GP
03-23-2013, 08:00 PM
My heavens, you DO understand that $1 million in extra cap space means we could get ANOTHER player at a vet minimum of like $500K or $750K????????

I think you know your idea is bad, but you're just committed to it for the sake of going down with your ship.

This isn't YOUR money, by the way. So it doesn't matter how you would spend it or not.

Each team can spend UP TO THE CAP, you do realize that, right? And you do realize, TK, that extra money means an extra player...so we actually end up with two players for the price of Glover Quin.

Simply amazing. The bad logic one can have over this situation.

Oh well.

GP
03-23-2013, 08:09 PM
This isn't about Andre getting in the ear of the front office, TK.

Geez Louise, what are you smoking tonight???

I mean, is it possible that the following happening (rather than AJ telling the front office there's this guy named Ed Reed they need to look at):

1. Glover Quin was due a BIG FAT ASS RAISE by somebody, anybody. He got one. Not form us, though. Because the FO knew what was going to happen...some team flush with a bazillion in cap space was going to take a run at one of Wade Phillips' young safeties who has a lot of tread on the tires.

2. While the run-up to free agency is occurring, the front office decides to skip the effort to re-sign Quin...and well, hmmm....WHAT IF we went after Ed Reed since we all know (since we in the front office are connected to the NFL world more than fans are) that the Ravens are going to have a fire sale once Flacco's contract hits the news. Hmmm....that just might be a good temporary fix, let's go talk to Gary and Wade about. And we'll keep Bob in the loop on this, too.

3. OK, so we're all on board with wooing Ed Reed to Houston. Sure, other teams are not making a run at him. But then again, we don't have a free safety anymore and we can draft one for the next two years and hopefully get him going for us OR find another one in FA the next two years. Send the jet, oh and by the way.......

4. ...Someone make sure Andre Johnson is staying in close contact with him. Let's leverage that relationship.

I mean, TK, come on man...you really think Ed Reed is here because he's been popping into Rick Smith's office or email inbox...letting them know we should get Ed Reed?

I'm pretty sure they knew AJ and Ed have had that relationship. Pretty sure they didn't need AJ making a sales job to the FO in order to put Ed on the radar.

The planets aligned in a way that got Ed Reed here, and AJ played a cursory role in it. Period.

CloakNNNdagger
03-23-2013, 08:10 PM
Manning, imo, is good & versatile. He can play centerfield & he can play in the box. He's not as good as Quin in the box, imo, even though he is a better blitzer. He's not as good as Reed in Centerfield. In the long run, I think this team would have been better with Quin, but Reeds reputation is what they need on the field in 2013. QBs will be looking for Watt on the line, Cushing in the flats, & Reed deep.



We will need to get another ILB with good run stop and some cover skills and finally a big mean ass 2-gap NT to allow Manning to play back in a more natural position......a situation that would make a QB think even more before he let's a ball go.