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Doppelganger
03-19-2013, 04:17 PM
Well folks the results are in. Despite many around here hoping for 3-4 compensatory picks, the Texans ended up with 2(3rd round and 6th). So, in honor of that, its time for yet another Doppelmock!!! Hope you enjoy it as much as I did putting it together!!!

TRADE: Texans trade #27 to Philadelphia Eagles for Eagles 2nd and 3rd round selections.

Yes, I know you can't predict trades, but in my Texans universe, the Texans make a trade.
27. Philadelphia Eagles: E.J. Manuel. QB, Florida State, 6'4, 237lbs, 4.61.

Philly is desperate for a QB to run the Chip Kelly offense. The best one to do that may be E.J. Manuel. Manuel has a strong arm and great measurables and looks to be a late first early 2nd selection. Philly jumps back up into the first round to make sure they get their guy and that other teams don't jump in ahead of them and grab him. Giving up their third rounder as well as second may sound high, but if they get the franchise QB they desire, price is reasonable.

2.(Eagles) Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee, 6'4, 196lbs, 4.41
The Texans have needed a big time WR prospect next to AJ for years. This year, there are many good WR options. While most of them look like solid #2 candidates, only a couple of them look like potential #1s. Hunter is one of those who has the potential to be a #1 WR in the NFL. He is a big receiver, has great hands, is a route runner, and as demonstrated in the draft the speed is back. He also comes across as a good guy who would be a great fit in the Texans locker-room. He is the kind of guy who could learn from AJ how to be an elite NFL WR. In 2-3 years, he will be ready to be the #1 receiver as AJ transitions into a #2. The more I see of him, the more I think he is the pick.

2 (Texans) Trevardo Williams, OLB, Connecticut, 6'1, 241lbs, 4.57
High level pass rusher to replace Barwin. 42 tackles, 13.5 tackles for a loss, 11.5 sacks and 1 fumble in 2012. In 2011 he had 12.5 sacks, 15 tackles for a loss, 43 tackles and two forced fumbles. Initially he starts as a Can play ST and be a situational pass rusher as he gets a little bigger and works on run D. As time goes along he will join in on the pass rush with Reed and WM from the OLB spot.

3(Eagles) Kwame Geathers, NT, Georgia, 6'5, 342lbs, 5.44
A behmouth who will play the traditional load bearing NT role. He would be an excellent run stopper and can help collapse the pocket. Due to his size, he may only be able to go as a part time player for now. But he should be able to start from Day 1 on first/2nd down. He probably will need to slim down to about 325-330lbs or so in order to be a 3 down NT.

3(Texans) Jonathan Bostic, ILB, Florida, 6'1, 245lbs, 4.61
Sometimes people just overthink things. There are lots of things to ding Bostic for: he didnt live up to hype coming out of school, he was not the next big thing, he is overrated, he is not Brandon Spikes, etc. At the end of the day, he is a very good #2 ILB in a 3-4 defense. In 2012 he had 68 tackles, 2 interceptions, 1 forced fumble and 3 sacks. In 2011 he had 94 tackles with 10 tackles for a loss, 3 sacks and 1 forced fumble. In 2010 he had 57 tackles with 2.5 tackles for a loss, 1.5 sacks and three interceptions. He has good lateral speed, can tackle, has hands,

3(Compensatory )Chris Jones, DL, Bowling Green, 6'2, 302lbs, 5.33
A sleeper gap DL that Wade may like. He is a very nice pass rusher who could slot in at NT or3-4 DE. He gives Wade options and can help mix up defensive looks to confuse the offense. A very nice pass rusher from the DL spot. 12.5 sacks, 42 tackles, 19 tackles for a loss, and 2 forced fumbles in 2012. In 2011 he had 47 tackles with 14 tackles for a loss, 8.5 sacks and 3 forced fumbles. As a sophomore he had 39 tackles with 11 tackles for a loss, 6 sacks and 1 fumble. For right now, he probably would do best on ST/competing with coming in for Geathers on passing situations. He needs to work on run defense and get bit stronger. In the future he could relieve Watt and/or Smith as a depth player and would be able to play any position on the DL. Having someone who can play DE or NT creates potential mismatches.

4.Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State, 6'0, 207lbs, 4.44
As we learned in Pulp Fiction, you don't argue with or bet against The Wolfe!!! All joking aside, he is a great choice in this spot. A fantastic safety prospect to develop for a year before getting throwing to the...no, I am not going there! He has good hands, speed, and tackling ability. Right now, he needs to work on deep over the middle pass coverage. In time he can develop those skills. If not, slide him over to CB as he has the size, speed, and pass defense to excel there too.

5. Michael Williams, TE, Alabama 6'5, 269lbs, 4.80
The Texans have a plethora of smaller quick pass first TEs. What they don't have is an elite blocking TE. Williams is the kind of player this scheme needs. After a less then ideal combine I think he settles into this spot. He is primarily a blocking TE with solid hands. Blocking TEs don't go high in the NFL, becuase they tend not to be td producers. Williams immediately starts in certain packages as an additional blocker and will pay dividends in the passing and running game. As his hands improve, the can design a play or two for him every other game to keep defenses honest.

6 (Texans) Oday Aboushi, OT, Virginia, 6'5, 308lbs, 5.45.
Man did his stock fall. Once thought of as a borderline first/second round selection he has plummeted all the way into the 6th round. He put up a low amount of reps and was rather slow in his 40 time. This suggest weakness and a lack of athletic ability. Still, he played well this past season. He showed good footwork, his pass protection was fantastic, and his run blocking has really come along. I will take a chance on him here. in the 6th round. The guy I saw at Virginia looked to me like a good RT prospect and possible starter. I know he didn't test well, but I think his production on the field of play outweighs what he does in shorts and a tshirt.

6(Compensatory) Ryan Allen, P, Louisiana Tech, 6'2, 215lbs.
The 2 time (2011 and 2012) Ray Guy award winner is just what this team needs. If yall have seen my mocks before, you know what I think of Donnie Jones. Upgrade here offers $ discount and quality upgrade.

7.Zach Boren, FB/LB, Ohio State, 6'0 252lbs, 4.79
With the loss of Casey, the Texans need a FB and I think it would be a better idea to go back to a true old school FB rather than a hybrid. While Kubes likes the versatility of Casey, he doesn't throw him the ball all that often. Having a superior run blocker is better than having a superior athlete. Boren can open up holes for Foster, Tate, or the other RBs. In addition, Boren previously played as a LB and could also be used as a LB. He can step right into the ST and starting FB role right away. He could become an emergency depth LB if needed. Too much upside with him not to grab him here.

badboy
03-19-2013, 05:02 PM
First problem I see is you seem to be rating Manual higher than other evaluators. NFL DraftScout has him #51 which should easily place him there for Eagles high second round. Rantsports.com mock by Langley McGhee has him going to Eagles in third. I like your trade just not for Manual.

Eagles needs seem more to be Nose which hurts Texans, safety and OT only if Winston is not signed. With FA signed they could go BPA in first (CB?) and still get QB in second with no trade up.

Doppelganger
03-19-2013, 06:00 PM
First problem I see is you seem to be rating Manual higher than other evaluators. NFL DraftScout has him #51 which should easily place him there for Eagles high second round. Rantsports.com mock by Langley McGhee has him going to Eagles in third. I like your trade just not for Manual.

Eagles needs seem more to be Nose which hurts Texans, safety and OT only if Winston is not signed. With FA signed they could go BPA in first (CB?) and still get QB in second with no trade up.

QBs tend to jump up boards even is perceived value is not there. Its a reason Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, and Blaine Gabbert go in the top 12 picks in 2011. Maybe I am undervaluing Manuel and maybe he goes in the middle of the first round like Leftwich.

If Manuel is there at the end of the first round and the Eagles covet him, they may need to make the move. While he is not the same type of QB as Kaepernick, SF showed that a spread offense QB can work. As such they may need to trade up to make sure another team doesn't grab him first?

mussop
03-20-2013, 12:28 AM
First problem I see is you seem to be rating Manual higher than other evaluators. NFL DraftScout has him #51 which should easily place him there for Eagles high second round. Rantsports.com mock by Langley McGhee has him going to Eagles in third. I like your trade just not for Manual.

Eagles needs seem more to be Nose which hurts Texans, safety and OT only if Winston is not signed. With FA signed they could go BPA in first (CB?) and still get QB in second with no trade up.

There evaluation isn't gold. I think we have a really good chance of trading back to a team that wants a QB.

Lucky
03-20-2013, 12:47 AM
QBs tend to jump up boards even is perceived value is not there. Its a reason Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, and Blaine Gabbert go in the top 12 picks in 2011.
I agree. Not to mention that EJ has been invited to the draft.

Vinny
03-20-2013, 01:41 AM
I really like Manuel and would love to snap him up if he was there when we pick. He'd have a chance to watch for a year as the Schaub era plays out. He's a little raw but his size, arm, and mobility are everything you want in a qb.

SAMURAITEXAN
03-20-2013, 02:11 AM
I like an idea of trading down. Should be good players available in 2nd and 3rd.

Wolf6151
03-20-2013, 03:32 AM
I like your idea of the trade down and I can see Manuel going in the late 1st since QB's are overvalued and overdrafted.

JMO:

2. Hunter, love this pick. He might take a year to develop for the NFL but I think he has the potential to be special. We'll see.
2. Williams, I honestly don't know much about this guy but he doesn't fit my taste for an NFL OLB with regards to his size. Your replacing 6'04"/268 lbs. (Barwin) with 6'01"/241 lbs. (Williams)? I just don't see him getting the job done at the NFL level. Speed would be his only way of succeeding and there's lots of fast guys in the NFL.
3. Geathers, ehhhh. I think his height will work against him. NT is all about leverage and tall guys have a hard time getting their pads low enough to gain leverage.
3. Bostic, ehhhh. I had him in a mock a long time ago when looking for a run stuffing ILB but now I want a guy that's good sideline to sideline and good in pass coverage. Can he cover a RB out of the backfield or a 6'06" athletic TE?
3. Jones, another guy that I don't know anything about. With his size I can see him being depth at NT but his lack of speed doesn't look good for 3-4 DE. Also I don't think we'd take 2 NT depth players in the same draft.
4. Wolff, nice size and speed for the position but when you say he struggles with pass coverage then I get leery and if he can't handle pass coverage as a Safety then he'll never be a CB.
5. Williams, love this pick if we don't sign Steve Maneri in FA, he fills a definite need.
6. Aboushi, I think he goes alot earlier than this. I know he had a bad Combine but he had a good 2012 season, I think he goes 3rd round at worst.
6. Allen, love this pick as well, he just makes so much sense.
7. Boren, really like this pick as well, a real FB with good hands.

Doppelganger
03-20-2013, 11:28 AM
There evaluation isn't gold. I think we have a really good chance of trading back to a team that wants a QB.

Agreed. Every year we see prospects overdrafted. Considering we are moving towards a passing league, overreaching on QBs will become more common.

Doppelganger
03-20-2013, 11:55 AM
I really like Manuel and would love to snap him up if he was there when we pick. He'd have a chance to watch for a year as the Schaub era plays out. He's a little raw but his size, arm, and mobility are everything you want in a qb.

I respectfully disagree.

I just don't like the guy as a starting QB. He reminds me too much of a Jason Campebell (at best) or Terrell Pyror (at worst) prospect. He is not a good passer. He makes many poor decision especially when things become quick. He lacks field vision. He tends to lock onto targets rather than work through progressions. He is too quick to run. His accuracy is iffy. He struggled against quality NFL defenses(like Florida).

While he certainly is a big strong powerful guy, he is more an athlete than QB. If you wanted to take him in the 3rd and let him develop that would be one thing. But, like Campebell, if you take him in the first you will likely be disappointed.

Doppelganger
03-20-2013, 12:08 PM
I like your idea of the trade down and I can see Manuel going in the late 1st since QB's are overvalued and overdrafted.

JMO:

2. Hunter, love this pick. He might take a year to develop for the NFL but I think he has the potential to be special. We'll see.
2. Williams, I honestly don't know much about this guy but he doesn't fit my taste for an NFL OLB with regards to his size. Your replacing 6'04"/268 lbs. (Barwin) with 6'01"/241 lbs. (Williams)? I just don't see him getting the job done at the NFL level. Speed would be his only way of succeeding and there's lots of fast guys in the NFL.
3. Geathers, ehhhh. I think his height will work against him. NT is all about leverage and tall guys have a hard time getting their pads low enough to gain leverage.
3. Bostic, ehhhh. I had him in a mock a long time ago when looking for a run stuffing ILB but now I want a guy that's good sideline to sideline and good in pass coverage. Can he cover a RB out of the backfield or a 6'06" athletic TE?
3. Jones, another guy that I don't know anything about. With his size I can see him being depth at NT but his lack of speed doesn't look good for 3-4 DE. Also I don't think we'd take 2 NT depth players in the same draft.
4. Wolff, nice size and speed for the position but when you say he struggles with pass coverage then I get leery and if he can't handle pass coverage as a Safety then he'll never be a CB.
5. Williams, love this pick if we don't sign Steve Maneri in FA, he fills a definite need.
6. Aboushi, I think he goes alot earlier than this. I know he had a bad Combine but he had a good 2012 season, I think he goes 3rd round at worst.
6. Allen, love this pick as well, he just makes so much sense.
7. Boren, really like this pick as well, a real FB with good hands.


2. I think Hunter can contribute right away. In addition to good speed, and hands, he also is a good blocker. And we all know what Kubes thinks about a WR's ability to block.

2. Ok. Fair point. I saw a guy who was highly productive as a pressure guy in college. May not have the best size but is a high motor guy. He can still put some weight on. In some ways reminded me of a young Dumervill(5'11 250 when drafted). Who would you rather see drafted in this spot.

3. Agreed. Bostic tends to be more of a run stuffer. I was thinking of all those games were teams ran it down the Texans throat.

3. Yes, he is tall, but he is also going to be a clogging NT. Having the ize to engage and pull in 2 OL will be huge. Height may be an issue, but I think it could work by having a longer reach.

3. One of the things about 40 times is they are somewhat meaningless. Very rarely are DEs running full 40s. He has explosion and power. He also gives Wade options.

4. What I meant is he struggles with deep pass coverage, not pass coverage in general. He has the speed and hands, I think his issue is coaching. He needs to be taught better deep coverage skills. Having a ball hawk FS like Ed Reed or Michael Huff would certainly help along with coaching from Vance Joseph.

5. Thanks. Yep, I think he is the kind of player the Texans have needed for years. They have tried to draft a blocking TE before but injuries derailed his career.

6. You are probably right he doesn't lat this long. He did play well but struggled badly at the combine. Maybe 4th rounder?

6. It saves money and improves the position. Hard to not like that :)

7. Yep, exactly. Kubes has pretty much shown us that even when he had a fullback who could catch(Casey, Leach) he still will use them almost exclusively as a FB. So, why not get an old school guy like Lorenzo Neal whose strength is what you are actually going to use. Casey is a good player, but was wasted as a FB in Houston.

beerlover
03-20-2013, 12:29 PM
Texans traded with Baltimore, they snagged Flacco who knew Joe would develop into highest paid QB in the NFL so you could be very prophetic & appropriate w/Kubiak track record & QB model.

I know a lot of people here really like Hunter, I really haven't seen enough of him to criticize his selection, others I have but that's beside the point value is pretty much spot on.

Williams was one of those under the radar types, I think he is a little undersized for Texans, but so are a lot of guys in this draft for his position.

Bostic should be serviceable but nothing elite. Need selection.

Like adding depth on front line don't know much about Jones, does seem kinda high? Do you have some inside information, if you do then keep it secret.

I'm glad you added a DB. Will have to wait & see how FA shakes out.

Didn't Texans sign a big blocking TE in free agency? If so Williams is off the board.

Oday dropped this far? Never impressed me but like his athletic ability in ZBS if there heck yeah.

Punter for sure. You've stood by Allen so I applaud your selection. I fear the kicker I like Jeff Locke, UCLA has really impressed, enough in fact to warrant a 4th rd. pick (also deep kick-off specialist which would relieve Randy of stress to his leg accuracy/strength).

Boren would be a great pick in the 7th. Special teams animal & Texans will need several replacements in this capacity.

AS always really enjoy your draft work. Hope to have more time to post soon

BL :wesmantexanfan:

Insideop
03-20-2013, 03:08 PM
First off I like the idea of trading back to get more picks, but if Allen is there at #27, I think the Texans have to get him.

2.(Eagles) Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee, 6'4, 196lbs, 4.41 If they do trade back and this is there pick, I wouldn't be upset, but I don't think Hunter is the right WR for the Texans at this time. He needs time to develop and I don't think they have that time, especially with the loss of Walter. They need a #2 now. Hunter is a project #1 WR. Also, you said he has "great hands." That's not what I've been hearing. I think I've heard/read he had a 12% drop rate while others, like Allen, were around 4-5%.

2 (Texans) Trevardo Williams, OLB, Connecticut, 6'1, 241lbs, 4.57 This might be a little early but he is projected to go between rounds 2-4, so I guess it would be OK. Just don't know too much about him. He did work out well at the Combine. He's not that big for a 3-4 OLB and may be better suited for a 4-3.

3(Eagles) Kwame Geathers, NT, Georgia, 6'5, 342lbs, 5.44 OK pick but would rather have Williams from Missouri So. if he was still on the board. Geathers needs to build his stamina and he's not as quick as Williams though they both weigh about the same. Still, a big "space eating" NT is a need IMO. Not sure if Wade agrees.

3(Texans) Jonathan Bostic, ILB, Florida, 6'1, 245lbs, 4.61 Good solid pick here. He's nothing flashy, but this ILB class is weak and we need one for depth.

3(Compensatory )Chris Jones, DL, Bowling Green, 6'2, 302lbs, 5.33 Not sure about this pick. Don't really know much about him, but I doubt the Texans will pick 2 DT/NT in the same round.

4.Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State, 6'0, 207lbs, 4.44 Could be a good pick. It's a deep S class and there are some good ones out there, even in later rounds. I wouldn't be upset with this pick.

5. Michael Williams, TE, Alabama 6'5, 269lbs, 4.80 Now we're talking. I like this pick and think he could be a steal. This is another area that's deep and we could pick up Lucas Reed or Sudfeld in the 7th for development. I'm sure the Texans will get a TE somewhere in the Draft. Just don't know where.

6 (Texans) Oday Aboushi, OT, Virginia, 6'5, 308lbs, 5.45. Was high on this guy as a zone blocking OT and then he had a bad Combine. Waiting to see how he does at his Pro-Day. With the surgery to Newton and Harris still a FA, the Texans may make this area more of a priority and take one earlier.

6(Compensatory) Ryan Allen, P, Louisiana Tech, 6'2, 215lbs. Not opposed to this pick. Jones was OK, but I wish we could get someone better. Too bad Hartmann messed up his leg. I think he could have been a good one for a long time. If Allen has a leg like Hartmann did that would be great.

7.Zach Boren, FB/LB, Ohio State, 6'0 252lbs, 4.79 Good spot to pick a FB and I guess we'll need one since Casey left for "greener" ($$$) pastures. Not sure where Clutts stands with the Texans as far as him being "the man" at FB. If Boren is any good I'm sure he can make the team. Even as a backup to Clutts and for ST.

Good job overall!

Wolf6151
03-21-2013, 03:38 AM
2. Ok. Fair point. I saw a guy who was highly productive as a pressure guy in college. May not have the best size but is a high motor guy. He can still put some weight on. In some ways reminded me of a young Dumervill(5'11 250 when drafted). Who would you rather see drafted in this spot.

3. Agreed. Bostic tends to be more of a run stuffer. I was thinking of all those games were teams ran it down the Texans throat.

7. Yep, exactly. Kubes has pretty much shown us that even when he had a fullback who could catch(Casey, Leach) he still will use them almost exclusively as a FB. So, why not get an old school guy like Lorenzo Neal whose strength is what you are actually going to use. Casey is a good player, but was wasted as a FB in Houston.


2. U. Conn. plays in the Big East and success there is alot different than success in the NFL where size matters. I think Williams would be better suited to a 4-3 defense. I like David Amerson-CB/FS in the 2nd round, he offers great size and speed to our secondary that still needs some upgrades at CB and FS depth.

3. Other teams did run it down our throat going up the middle but getting better at NT will lessen our needs at ILB for a run stuffer and in this pass happy NFL we need guys who can cover sideline to sideline. I like Kiko Alonso in the 3rd or A.J. Klein in the 4th.

7. I really hope Casey succeeds at TE in Philly and shows Kubiak what he was really capable of all along.

Doppelganger
03-21-2013, 02:19 PM
Texans traded with Baltimore, they snagged Flacco who knew Joe would develop into highest paid QB in the NFL so you could be very prophetic & appropriate w/Kubiak track record & QB model.

I know a lot of people here really like Hunter, I really haven't seen enough of him to criticize his selection, others I have but that's beside the point value is pretty much spot on.

Williams was one of those under the radar types, I think he is a little undersized for Texans, but so are a lot of guys in this draft for his position.

Bostic should be serviceable but nothing elite. Need selection.

Like adding depth on front line don't know much about Jones, does seem kinda high? Do you have some inside information, if you do then keep it secret.

I'm glad you added a DB. Will have to wait & see how FA shakes out.

Didn't Texans sign a big blocking TE in free agency? If so Williams is off the board.

Oday dropped this far? Never impressed me but like his athletic ability in ZBS if there heck yeah.

Punter for sure. You've stood by Allen so I applaud your selection. I fear the kicker I like Jeff Locke, UCLA has really impressed, enough in fact to warrant a 4th rd. pick (also deep kick-off specialist which would relieve Randy of stress to his leg accuracy/strength).

Boren would be a great pick in the 7th. Special teams animal & Texans will need several replacements in this capacity.

AS always really enjoy your draft work. Hope to have more time to post soon

BL :wesmantexanfan:

Yup, the Houston-Baltimore trade worked out well for both sides. Htown got their franchise LT and Baltimore got their QB.

The problem I feel with the WR group is that there are so many good ones and I honestly don't know where they are going. I am pretty sure Patterson, Allen, and Austin will for sure be gone by 27 and Hopkins will probably be gone by the early second. Hunter seems like a good size WR with speed and hands. Truth be told, there are several WR options the Texans could choose and still get a good player.

Yes a bit undersized, but he could add weight. Dumervill was also undersized coming out of school and he was able to add weight and still be productive. When I see a lot of production over a long time, it tells me he has the tools to get it done at the next level.

Perhaps I could have done better with this one. Will go back to drawing board.

One big problem the Texans have is the DT/NT spot. A bigger space eating clogger like Geathers enables more opportunities for Watt, Smith, Reed, and Mericlus. He also shuts down the up the middle run forcing the teams to go outside where Watt, Smith, and Reed are very good at limiting big gains. Jones comes across as a potential DE/DT/NT combo. He could play NT like Cody/Sharpton, slide next to Geathers if Wade wants to go into a 4 DL alignment, or spell relief for Watt/Smith at the end.

This draft is full of good DBs. I almost wanted to grab another one, but there are already 9 other DBs on the team (Joseph, Jackson, Manning, Reed, McCain, Harris, Carmichael, Keo, and Pleasant). I am not sure the team would have more than 10 altogether.

Huh. I must have missed that one. The only signings I was aware of were Phillip Supernaw, Andrew Gardner, Brice McCain, and Ed Reed. Are you referring to Supernaw? If so, I thought he was a pass catching TE not an elite blocking TE.

Oday is super athletic. Does he drop this far? Who knows. I have seen a ton of negative reviews of him since the combine. Sometimes this whole draft process amazes me. You can play very well for multiple years (or somewhat average for multiple years), have a very good or very bad day or two in shorts/tshirt, and cause your draft stock to rise or plummet. Maybe instead of shorts/shirts they should do drills in full pads!!!

I kinda like Allen. I know you are a big fan of Locke, but I fear he (like Angerer) is going to be gone in the third or 4th. I just cant quite take a punter that high, no matter how good he is.

Boren to me is a no brain type of pick. Team has holes at FB and LB. They like guys who play multiple positions(Casey was a FB/TE, OD was TE/emergency QB, etc). Some people say that in addition to skill, Ed Reed also brings swagger and positive attitude to the team. Boren could also bring that positive attitude swagger.

Thanks a bunch BL! I always look forward to reading your commentary.

beerlover
03-23-2013, 12:56 PM
Yup, the Houston-Baltimore trade worked out well for both sides. Htown got their franchise LT and Baltimore got their QB.

The problem I feel with the WR group is that there are so many good ones and I honestly don't know where they are going. I am pretty sure Patterson, Allen, and Austin will for sure be gone by 27 and Hopkins will probably be gone by the early second. Hunter seems like a good size WR with speed and hands. Truth be told, there are several WR options the Texans could choose and still get a good player.

Yes a bit undersized, but he could add weight. Dumervill was also undersized coming out of school and he was able to add weight and still be productive. When I see a lot of production over a long time, it tells me he has the tools to get it done at the next level.

Perhaps I could have done better with this one. Will go back to drawing board.

One big problem the Texans have is the DT/NT spot. A bigger space eating clogger like Geathers enables more opportunities for Watt, Smith, Reed, and Mericlus. He also shuts down the up the middle run forcing the teams to go outside where Watt, Smith, and Reed are very good at limiting big gains. Jones comes across as a potential DE/DT/NT combo. He could play NT like Cody/Sharpton, slide next to Geathers if Wade wants to go into a 4 DL alignment, or spell relief for Watt/Smith at the end.

This draft is full of good DBs. I almost wanted to grab another one, but there are already 9 other DBs on the team (Joseph, Jackson, Manning, Reed, McCain, Harris, Carmichael, Keo, and Pleasant). I am not sure the team would have more than 10 altogether.

Huh. I must have missed that one. The only signings I was aware of were Phillip Supernaw, Andrew Gardner, Brice McCain, and Ed Reed. Are you referring to Supernaw? If so, I thought he was a pass catching TE not an elite blocking TE.

Oday is super athletic. Does he drop this far? Who knows. I have seen a ton of negative reviews of him since the combine. Sometimes this whole draft process amazes me. You can play very well for multiple years (or somewhat average for multiple years), have a very good or very bad day or two in shorts/tshirt, and cause your draft stock to rise or plummet. Maybe instead of shorts/shirts they should do drills in full pads!!!

I kinda like Allen. I know you are a big fan of Locke, but I fear he (like Angerer) is going to be gone in the third or 4th. I just cant quite take a punter that high, no matter how good he is.

Boren to me is a no brain type of pick. Team has holes at FB and LB. They like guys who play multiple positions(Casey was a FB/TE, OD was TE/emergency QB, etc). Some people say that in addition to skill, Ed Reed also brings swagger and positive attitude to the team. Boren could also bring that positive attitude swagger.

Thanks a bunch BL! I always look forward to reading your commentary.

Texans signing Lechner pretty much nullifies both of our punters but we were right in feeling need to replace Jones.

Hard time grading out WR class, quality to choose from so feel better value with 2nd rd selection. I do like Aaron Dobson a lot or maybe Terrance Williams is still on the board not to mention Patton.

Pass rusher is needed. Really all are projections, still making mine. Applaud you for trying, just don't know enough about him. What I do know is the Texans prefer taller frame to build out 6-4 to 6-7'.

Is Wolfe a good protege for Ed Reed? Discuss

The Pencil Neck
03-23-2013, 04:16 PM
Didn't Texans sign a big blocking TE in free agency? If so Williams is off the board.

I think you're thinking about Maneri?

We showed some interest but he went with the Bears.

Unless you're thinking about Supernaw but he's a fringe guy at this point, at best.

TexansSeminole
03-24-2013, 02:10 AM
I really like Manuel and would love to snap him up if he was there when we pick. He'd have a chance to watch for a year as the Schaub era plays out. He's a little raw but his size, arm, and mobility are everything you want in a qb.

I don't get why anyone would like him outside of his physical ability. I was very excited for him to start for the Noles, but then reality crept in. Reality showed that Manuel couldn't make reads fast enough and was essentially afraid to make decisions. Take off and run? Throw to the post? The out? Dump off to the RB? Too many options for Manuel. He can't decide consistently enough and he can't read a defense to help him make a decision. Sure he has mobility, mobility that he was also afraid to use. We ran the option with Christian Ponder. Guess what happened when Manuel came in? We ran it for 3 games until it became obvious that Manuel didn't want to run, he didn't like it AND he got injured. He doesn't make a decision to scramble fast enough either. His ability to scramble is basically moot when his mind becomes involved. He has size. He has strength, too. He's also a nice guy that can run fast and throw far as well. The problem is that his mind doesn't understand that. His mind does not allow him to tap his full physical ability. We've seen it 100 times. This is just another example.

As much as I would have LOVED for this kid to have been legit, he just wasn't. I saw too much of him to be wrong. So, I guess this is me saying that I can't be wrong about this, even though that's ridiculous. I've just seen too much of him to ever put my faith in him even for one more down.

BTW, Wolfe from NC State is a good player. I remember watching him over the years and him jumping out at me for making key plays. I couldn't really give you a breakdown of the guy, because most of those memories are limited, but I remember liking him for some time now.

Lucky
03-24-2013, 10:31 AM
I really like Manuel and would love to snap him up if he was there when we pick. He'd have a chance to watch for a year as the Schaub era plays out. He's a little raw but his size, arm, and mobility are everything you want in a qb.


I just don't like the guy as a starting QB. He reminds me too much of a Jason Campebell (at best) or Terrell Pyror (at worst) prospect. He is not a good passer. He makes many poor decision especially when things become quick. He lacks field vision. He tends to lock onto targets rather than work through progressions. He is too quick to run. His accuracy is iffy. He struggled against quality NFL defenses(like Florida).

I don't get why anyone would like him outside of his physical ability. I was very excited for him to start for the Noles, but then reality crept in. Reality showed that Manuel couldn't make reads fast enough and was essentially afraid to make decisions. Take off and run? Throw to the post? The out? Dump off to the RB? Too many options for Manuel. He can't decide consistently enough and he can't read a defense to help him make a decision.

Here's a link to a NFL Network discussion on Manuel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32uWlrEOzYs). Casserly takes the side of Doppelganger & TexansSeminole, that Manuel is not a 1st round QB. Former Bronco GM Ted Sundquist makes Vinny's case that Manuel is a 1st round QB, and has what a team is looking for in a QB in today's NFL.

I can see both sides. I watched every pass and run from Manuel in the 2011 bowl games versus Notre Dame (a good college defense). The cons were that Manuel didn't really feel the rush and made some poor decisions with the ball (that didn't cost him, fortunately). The pros were that he showed he could make every throw and NFL QB needs to make, and kept his poise and led the team to a comeback win.

Right now, I don't think Manuel is as good as Matt Barkley. By 2015, Manuel could very well be better than Barkley. As Sundquist pointed out, Manuel didn't have the weapons around him that QBs like Geno Smith, Tyler Bray, and Barkley had. In that Notre Dame bowl game, he had several freshman o-lineman blocking for him. Put Manuel in that West Virginia or USC offense, and maybe he's the one getting top 10 consideration.

BTW, Texan GM Rick Smith tutored under Sundquist in Denver, so it wouldn't be surprising if he (and Kubiak) evaluated Manuel in a similar fashion. And even if the Texans are not considering him with their pick at #27, it would be wise to bring Manuel in for an interview. There aren't an teams behind the Texans in the 1st round that are likely to go QB with their pick. And if the Texans want to generate interest for teams like the Eagles, Cards, or Jets to trade up, showing interest in E.J. would be the smart move.

TexansSeminole
03-24-2013, 12:41 PM
Here's a link to a NFL Network discussion on Manuel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32uWlrEOzYs). Casserly takes the side of Doppelganger & TexansSeminole, that Manuel is not a 1st round QB. Former Bronco GM Ted Sundquist makes Vinny's case that Manuel is a 1st round QB, and has what a team is looking for in a QB in today's NFL.

I can see both sides. I watched every pass and run from Manuel in the 2011 bowl games versus Notre Dame (a good college defense). The cons were that Manuel didn't really feel the rush and made some poor decisions with the ball (that didn't cost him, fortunately). The pros were that he showed he could make every throw and NFL QB needs to make, and kept his poise and led the team to a comeback win.

Right now, I don't think Manuel is as good as Matt Barkley. By 2015, Manuel could very well be better than Barkley. As Sundquist pointed out, Manuel didn't have the weapons around him that QBs like Geno Smith, Tyler Bray, and Barkley had. In that Notre Dame bowl game, he had several freshman o-lineman blocking for him. Put Manuel in that West Virginia or USC offense, and maybe he's the one getting top 10 consideration.

BTW, Texan GM Rick Smith tutored under Sundquist in Denver, so it wouldn't be surprising if he (and Kubiak) evaluated Manuel in a similar fashion. And even if the Texans are not considering him with their pick at #27, it would be wise to bring Manuel in for an interview. There aren't an teams behind the Texans in the 1st round that are likely to go QB with their pick. And if the Texans want to generate interest for teams like the Eagles, Cards, or Jets to trade up, showing interest in E.J. would be the smart move.

E.J. can certainly make all the throws, he has a tremendous arm.

I'd disagree with you about weapons though. Maybe not disagree, because the teams you listed did have some elite talent, but I would argue that E.J. also had some great talent to work with. Rodney Smith has been touted as a late round prospect around here and I can't tell you how many times that guy was running down field, wide open, only to be ignored. Rashad Greene is a heck of a receiver and depending on what happens with this stupid assault he just committed (edit: never mind, he did not commit assault, wrong guy), has the talent to be a top 5 receiver in a draft. Christian Greene is another good receiver that you will see more of this year. Kelvin Benjamin is another huge weapon. Kenny Shaw is a good receiver. Prior to that, he also had Burt Reed and others. At TE, he has one of the top TEs coming out of high school in O'Leary. Backs galore, 3 or 4 that have NFL quality talent.

Your definitely right about the OLine. Even in 2012, the OLine was inexperienced. Menelik Watson is getting alot of hype but people may not know that he only played for the Noles in 2012. He was a JUCO transfer with little overall football experience. He played RT for us but honestly, he barely won the job in the spring. Our LT is a converted DT with excellent potential but again inexperienced. 2012 was his first year to play the position or us.

TexansSeminole
03-24-2013, 07:19 PM
About Bostic, he is one of the few ILBer prospects that I think can help us right away. The one thing I don't like about him is that he seems to be a bit out of control, emotionally. I vaguely remember seeing teammates and coaches trying to calm him down on several different occasions.

Doppelganger
03-25-2013, 11:12 PM
Texans signing Lechner pretty much nullifies both of our punters but we were right in feeling need to replace Jones.

Hard time grading out WR class, quality to choose from so feel better value with 2nd rd selection. I do like Aaron Dobson a lot or maybe Terrance Williams is still on the board not to mention Patton.

Pass rusher is needed. Really all are projections, still making mine. Applaud you for trying, just don't know enough about him. What I do know is the Texans prefer taller frame to build out 6-4 to 6-7'.

Is Wolfe a good protege for Ed Reed? Discuss

Yup. Punter is now off the board. I have to admit feeling vindicated. You and I were part of the few who kept advocating for getting rid of Jones for a better punter. Lechler is a great punter and should be able to improve the position.

The WRs are really tough to grade out. On one hand I like Justin Hunter. He has size, speed, route running etc. The one drawback(now that he seems to be healing and his speed is returning) is that he sometimes doesn't focus completely and can drop some easy passes. On the other hand, a guy like DeAndre Hopkins has hands, route running, blocking ability, and has a real low drop rate. Justin Hunter is more risk, but potentially more reward. He has a higher potential for bust factor. DeAndre Hopkins has a lower ceiling, but a higher floor. At worst he should be a very nice #2. At worst, Hunter could be a Jacoby Jones: flashes great ability but drops too many passes to be a starter. Its a tough conundrum. Part of me wants to go hunter, but I could see a case being made for the safe route like Hopkins.

Reed is 6'3, Mercilus is 6'4, Bramen is 6'5. Yes, they seem to like the 6'3 and up guys. If they have their heart set on a bigger OLB, they could go with my guy Quanterus Smith. He may need an IR year, but could be a steal in the later rounds. Could be smart since the team has so many draft picks and it will be hard to keep every draft pick on the team. Stashing him on IR may make sense.

I think Wolfe would be a great protege for Ed Reed. Reed was 5'11 201lbs with a 4.57 40 time. Wolfe is 6'0 207 with a 4.44 40 time. Like Reed, Wolfe seems to be around the ball. He had 7 pass deflections, 1 forced fumble, and 2 ints. that comes out to 10 passes that he prevented from being completed, or approximately one key play per game. Part of playing as a safety is having good instincts, that cannot be taught and Wolfe has that. One thing he could improve is deep CF coverage. He has the speed, he has the hands, what he lacks his technique. Having a coach like Vance Joseph off the field and a coach like Ed Reed on the field will provide the necessary training Wolfe will need to transition into the Ed Reed spot in a couple of years. For now, he has the chance to compete for the #3 safety spot with Eddie Pleasant(hopefully Keo is kept as far away from it as possible).

Another interesting prospect is Cooper Taylor from Richmond. He is a safety listed at 6'5 and 235 lbs with a 4.69 40 time. He is good at covering WRs down the field and is a tackler. He had 77 tackles with five tackles for a loss, 9 passes broken up, 3 forced fumbles and 4 interceptions. He almost screams LB to me. If he can add some weight possibly a 3-4 OLB or a ILB next to Cush.


While I like Wolfe, I just thought of a way to get more value out of Taylor.


----------Watt---Cody---Smith

-----Reed------Cushing----Mercilus
-----------Taylor

------------------Manning

Jackson-------------------------Joseph


------------------Reed

In this Defense, you would use Taylor almost like an extra roaming ILB who would slot in behind Reed/Cush or Cush/Merci. His speed would allow him to attack the QB as another pass rusher, be a run defender, or take on the TEs/slot receivers. He could also always line up on Strongside to the side and back of Cush. He has the speed to keep up with TEs and the size to cause them problems. Having put on a few pounds would make him even tougher without sacrificing the speed. Considering the way the NFL is going with its pass happy offenses and now zone reads, it almost makes sense to play a Safety as a secondary roaming ILB than a pure ILB next to Cush.

So, I guess what I am saying is I would draft both Wolfe and Taylor. Taylor would slide into
"ILB/roaming safety" while Wolfe would be groomed to become Ed Reed's replacement.

Thoughts?

Doppelganger
03-25-2013, 11:13 PM
Here's a link to a NFL Network discussion on Manuel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32uWlrEOzYs). Casserly takes the side of Doppelganger & TexansSeminole, that Manuel is not a 1st round QB. Former Bronco GM Ted Sundquist makes Vinny's case that Manuel is a 1st round QB, and has what a team is looking for in a QB in today's NFL.

I can see both sides. I watched every pass and run from Manuel in the 2011 bowl games versus Notre Dame (a good college defense). The cons were that Manuel didn't really feel the rush and made some poor decisions with the ball (that didn't cost him, fortunately). The pros were that he showed he could make every throw and NFL QB needs to make, and kept his poise and led the team to a comeback win.

Right now, I don't think Manuel is as good as Matt Barkley. By 2015, Manuel could very well be better than Barkley. As Sundquist pointed out, Manuel didn't have the weapons around him that QBs like Geno Smith, Tyler Bray, and Barkley had. In that Notre Dame bowl game, he had several freshman o-lineman blocking for him. Put Manuel in that West Virginia or USC offense, and maybe he's the one getting top 10 consideration.

BTW, Texan GM Rick Smith tutored under Sundquist in Denver, so it wouldn't be surprising if he (and Kubiak) evaluated Manuel in a similar fashion. And even if the Texans are not considering him with their pick at #27, it would be wise to bring Manuel in for an interview. There aren't an teams behind the Texans in the 1st round that are likely to go QB with their pick. And if the Texans want to generate interest for teams like the Eagles, Cards, or Jets to trade up, showing interest in E.J. would be the smart move.

If Asserly and I are agreeing, I am beginning to second guess myself!!!

mussop
03-26-2013, 07:33 AM
Yup. Punter is now off the board. I have to admit feeling vindicated. You and I were part of the few who kept advocating for getting rid of Jones for a better punter. Lechler is a great punter and should be able to improve the position.

The WRs are really tough to grade out. On one hand I like Justin Hunter. He has size, speed, route running etc. The one drawback(now that he seems to be healing and his speed is returning) is that he sometimes doesn't focus completely and can drop some easy passes. On the other hand, a guy like DeAndre Hopkins has hands, route running, blocking ability, and has a real low drop rate. Justin Hunter is more risk, but potentially more reward. He has a higher potential for bust factor. DeAndre Hopkins has a lower ceiling, but a higher floor. At worst he should be a very nice #2. At worst, Hunter could be a Jacoby Jones: flashes great ability but drops too many passes to be a starter. Its a tough conundrum. Part of me wants to go hunter, but I could see a case being made for the safe route like Hopkins.

Reed is 6'3, Mercilus is 6'4, Bramen is 6'5. Yes, they seem to like the 6'3 and up guys. If they have their heart set on a bigger OLB, they could go with my guy Quanterus Smith. He may need an IR year, but could be a steal in the later rounds. Could be smart since the team has so many draft picks and it will be hard to keep every draft pick on the team. Stashing him on IR may make sense.

I think Wolfe would be a great protege for Ed Reed. Reed was 5'11 201lbs with a 4.57 40 time. Wolfe is 6'0 207 with a 4.44 40 time. Like Reed, Wolfe seems to be around the ball. He had 7 pass deflections, 1 forced fumble, and 2 ints. that comes out to 10 passes that he prevented from being completed, or approximately one key play per game. Part of playing as a safety is having good instincts, that cannot be taught and Wolfe has that. One thing he could improve is deep CF coverage. He has the speed, he has the hands, what he lacks his technique. Having a coach like Vance Joseph off the field and a coach like Ed Reed on the field will provide the necessary training Wolfe will need to transition into the Ed Reed spot in a couple of years. For now, he has the chance to compete for the #3 safety spot with Eddie Pleasant(hopefully Keo is kept as far away from it as possible).

Another interesting prospect is Cooper Taylor from Richmond. He is a safety listed at 6'5 and 235 lbs with a 4.69 40 time. He is good at covering WRs down the field and is a tackler. He had 77 tackles with five tackles for a loss, 9 passes broken up, 3 forced fumbles and 4 interceptions. He almost screams LB to me. If he can add some weight possibly a 3-4 OLB or a ILB next to Cush.


While I like Wolfe, I just thought of a way to get more value out of Taylor.


----------Watt---Cody---Smith

-----Reed------Cushing----Mercilus
-----------Taylor

------------------Manning

Jackson-------------------------Joseph


------------------Reed

In this Defense, you would use Taylor almost like an extra roaming ILB who would slot in behind Reed/Cush or Cush/Merci. His speed would allow him to attack the QB as another pass rusher, be a run defender, or take on the TEs/slot receivers. He could also always line up on Strongside to the side and back of Cush. He has the speed to keep up with TEs and the size to cause them problems. Having put on a few pounds would make him even tougher without sacrificing the speed. Considering the way the NFL is going with its pass happy offenses and now zone reads, it almost makes sense to play a Safety as a secondary roaming ILB than a pure ILB next to Cush.

So, I guess what I am saying is I would draft both Wolfe and Taylor. Taylor would slide into
"ILB/roaming safety" while Wolfe would be groomed to become Ed Reed's replacement.

Thoughts?

So you think Cody will be back?

Doppelganger
03-26-2013, 11:02 AM
So you think Cody will be back?

Wouldn't be surprised if Cody is resigned. The team needs depth at NT and Cody would be a cheap vet min signing. At the moment all the Texans have is Earl Mitchell and Ra'Shon "Sunny" Harris(spent the year on IR). A cheap vet like Cody would make sense along with a draft pick.

76Texan
03-26-2013, 11:42 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if Cody is resigned. The team needs depth at NT and Cody would be a cheap vet min signing. At the moment all the Texans have is Earl Mitchell and Ra'Shon "Sunny" Harris(spent the year on IR). A cheap vet like Cody would make sense along with a draft pick.

Cody probably won't be cleared medically until early April.
One has to wonder how his back will affect his play.

76Texan
03-26-2013, 11:45 AM
Dopp, at the moment I don't like Wolff very much.
Suspect coverage, bad angles, poor tackling.
But a late fourth round grade is not out of the question.
I would agree to it, but if there are other guys around the same spot, I might go with them instead.

badboy
03-26-2013, 12:53 PM
Dopp, at the moment I don't like Wolff very much.
Suspect coverage, bad angles, poor tackling.
But a late fourth round grade is not out of the question.
I would agree to it, but if there are other guys around the same spot, I might go with them instead.

76 could you support your position on Wolff by submitting 50-75 screen shot so we can evaluate?

76Texan
03-26-2013, 02:08 PM
76 could you support your position on Wolff by submitting 50-75 screen shot so we can evaluate?

LOL!

The unC and Clemson games are on youtube.
There's also a play where he got dragged into the endzone by a Vt runner (Ryan Williams.)
Good effort to hang on, but poor angle to begin with.

coon
03-26-2013, 02:30 PM
Dopp, at the moment I don't like Wolff very much.
Suspect coverage, bad angles, poor tackling.
But a late fourth round grade is not out of the question.
I would agree to it, but if there are other guys around the same spot, I might go with them instead.
Agreed. I actually like Amerson as a safety much more than Wolff.

76Texan
03-26-2013, 02:43 PM
Agreed. I actually like Amerson as a safety much more than Wolff.
That's a very good possibility right there.
To be honest, we lack the resources to evaluate players properly; we can only learn about them as much as we can.

TexansSeminole
03-26-2013, 02:44 PM
Agreed. I actually like Amerson as a safety much more than Wolff.

But, Amerson plays corner. You'd have to project him in that position to like him more than Wolff. I've never been a big fan of drafting a guy, only to change his position. I'm not saying it doesn't work from time to time, it just seems too much like a project pick to me.

76Texan
03-26-2013, 03:18 PM
But, Amerson plays corner. You'd have to project him in that position to like him more than Wolff. I've never been a big fan of drafting a guy, only to change his position. I'm not saying it doesn't work from time to time, it just seems too much like a project pick to me.

Carnell Lake, Jairus Byrd, Malcolm Jenkins, Charles Godfrey, Eugene Wilson, Antrel Rolle, Renaldo Hill, Nick Collins, Hiram Eugene, Devin McCourty, Glover Quin...

Even Jason Allen started out as a CB and made the switch to safety.
When he played safety for the Dolphins (that's where he actually was groomed for by Saban) he played fairly well (better than at CB).

76Texan
03-26-2013, 03:32 PM
Kerry Rhodes was a QB that converted to safety during college.
Williams Moore was a CB that converted to safety in college.
George Wilson played WR in HS and college and was drafted as a WR in 2004;
He made the switch to safety in 2007.

TexansSeminole
03-26-2013, 03:42 PM
Carnell Lake, Jairus Byrd, Malcolm Jenkins, Charles Godfrey, Eugene Wilson, Antrel Rolle, Renaldo Hill, Nick Collins, Hiram Eugene, Devin McCourty, Glover Quin...

Even Jason Allen started out as a CB and made the switch to safety.
When he played safety for the Dolphins (that's where he actually was groomed for by Saban) he played fairly well (better than at CB).

It no doubt works from time to time, I just can't project it so I don't try to.

76Texan
03-26-2013, 04:12 PM
Both T J Ward and Usama Young played CB in college.

I bet you if I go down the list of NFL starters (which I started doing a little while ago,) I'll find more.

There might be different reasons for the conversion, and I'm not saying that I'm a pro to be able to forecast the outcome, but basically, we've been talking about it a little.

Amerson played well when facing the QB.
I was told that he's not too bad in tackling (which I haven't checked out enough to know for sure.)
So that's a start.
Perhaps, I'll go back and watch him some more to see if there's anything I can learn.

Insideop
03-26-2013, 06:58 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if Cody is resigned. The team needs depth at NT and Cody would be a cheap vet min signing. At the moment all the Texans have is Earl Mitchell and Ra'Shon "Sunny" Harris(spent the year on IR). A cheap vet like Cody would make sense along with a draft pick.

Don't think "Sunny" Harris is on the team anymore. He's not listed on their roster on their official website at NFL.com anyways. The NT's that are listed are; Mitchell, Terrell McClain, and David Hunter.

McClain is one of those guys Rick Smith finds on the waiver wire all the time. They picked him up last year about mid season. He's 6'2", 300 lbs and was drafted in the 3rd round by Carolina in 2011. He started 12 games for them, had an injury, and was released by them, I think, before the 2012 season started. Then NE picked him up and he played in 1 game for them, and they cut him in October. The Texans picked him up and he's been on the team since. I don't think he ever recovered from his injury enough last season and that's why he had a tough time sticking with a team. He may be a serviceable NT if he's fully recovered from injury.

Hunter was an UDFA out of U of H last year and I think the Texans were really high on him, but he was injured, I think, in preseason, and put on IR for the whole year.

So, the NT position is pretty thin right now, but I don't think they'll resign Cody due to his bad back and age. My guess is the Texans will draft a NT, possibly in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, to help out.

76Texan
03-26-2013, 07:56 PM
Hunter got a call up to the big league; and then he got injured (the next day or shortly right after.) What luck, LOL.

Doppelganger
03-28-2013, 12:15 PM
Don't think "Sunny" Harris is on the team anymore. He's not listed on their roster on their official website at NFL.com anyways. The NT's that are listed are; Mitchell, Terrell McClain, and David Hunter.

McClain is one of those guys Rick Smith finds on the waiver wire all the time. They picked him up last year about mid season. He's 6'2", 300 lbs and was drafted in the 3rd round by Carolina in 2011. He started 12 games for them, had an injury, and was released by them, I think, before the 2012 season started. Then NE picked him up and he played in 1 game for them, and they cut him in October. The Texans picked him up and he's been on the team since. I don't think he ever recovered from his injury enough last season and that's why he had a tough time sticking with a team. He may be a serviceable NT if he's fully recovered from injury.

Hunter was an UDFA out of U of H last year and I think the Texans were really high on him, but he was injured, I think, in preseason, and put on IR for the whole year.

So, the NT position is pretty thin right now, but I don't think they'll resign Cody due to his bad back and age. My guess is the Texans will draft a NT, possibly in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, to help out.

Didn't Sunny go on the IR? I remember seeing him in preseason where he was playing well. Then he was injured and placed on the IR(I thought).

Hunter has potential, but needs to show more. McClain may be a warm camp body. I suspect the Texans will sign a cheap veteran NT after the draft and probably draft one in the mid rounds(say 4-6). Mitchell and FA will battle for the starting spot with the other guy being the depth player. rook, hunter, Harris(if still here), Hunter, and McClain will battle for depth/ST/PS.

76Texan
03-28-2013, 01:01 PM
To my understanding, Harris was on IR.
He was an ERFA, but since we did not tender him in February, he's now an UFA.

mussop
03-28-2013, 09:54 PM
Didn't Sunny go on the IR? I remember seeing him in preseason where he was playing well. Then he was injured and placed on the IR(I thought).

Hunter has potential, but needs to show more. McClain may be a warm camp body. I suspect the Texans will sign a cheap veteran NT after the draft and probably draft one in the mid rounds(say 4-6). Mitchell and FA will battle for the starting spot with the other guy being the depth player. rook, hunter, Harris(if still here), Hunter, and McClain will battle for depth/ST/PS.

I'm ok with mitchell getting playing time, mostly on passing downs. More than that we are in trouble.

Vinny
04-26-2013, 01:04 AM
I really like Manuel and would love to snap him up if he was there when we pick. He'd have a chance to watch for a year as the Schaub era plays out. He's a little raw but his size, arm, and mobility are everything you want in a qb.

I respectfully disagree.

I just don't like the guy as a starting QB. He reminds me too much of a Jason Campebell (at best) or Terrell Pyror (at worst) prospect. He is not a good passer. He makes many poor decision especially when things become quick. He lacks field vision. He tends to lock onto targets rather than work through progressions. He is too quick to run. His accuracy is iffy. He struggled against quality NFL defenses(like Florida).

While he certainly is a big strong powerful guy, he is more an athlete than QB. If you wanted to take him in the 3rd and let him develop that would be one thing. But, like Campebell, if you take him in the first you will likely be disappointed. Looks like someone out there liked him too. :thisbig: Not saying they won't be disappointed though.

Playoffs
04-26-2013, 01:07 AM
Huge props calling Manuel in 1st.

Doppelganger
04-26-2013, 01:31 PM
Huge props calling Manuel in 1st.

Much appreciated. i figured someone look at him and see a potential option QB and overdraft him. I didn't think he would go as high as he did though.

Blake
04-26-2013, 01:43 PM
Looks like someone out there liked him too. :thisbig: Not saying they won't be disappointed though.

Here are a couple of quotes I made on EJ awhile back. Didnt realize the Texans would have zero shot at him.

Ive been talking to friends about the Texans taking EJ Manuel in round 1. Would love to see that. Or even trade our extra 3rd and first next year to get him in the top of the 2nd or something.

I still want the Texans to consider Manuel with their first 2 picks.