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76Texan
03-13-2013, 01:51 PM
According to spotrac, the Texans have between $11-$14M in cap space.
(Dutch, can you verify this, please.)

They need to set aside some $5M to sign their rookies.

They have some $6-9M left to sign their own FAs or acquire others, without having to restructure any player.

What can we get for that?

Barwin? Quin?

Might not have enough room just for those two guys and we still need to find a replacement for Walter.

Let's not forget that we still need to resign or replace guys like Caldwell, Harris, Casey, Cody, Dobbins, James, Ball, Demps.

Some of these spots might be filled with rookies (let's say 3, maybe 4).

We might need to restructure one big contract to get more cap space or we need to cut another high-dollar player.

What do you think the Texans can do?

Dutchrudder
03-13-2013, 02:11 PM
The NFL cap this year is 123 million, but the Texans carried over 2.4 million in cap space, so they have 125.4 to work with this year. If the Sportrac numbers are right, they have 49 players under contract for 112,540,856. They have 2,130,742 in dead money, but Walter's hit may be a June 1st designation, which would mean it's only 1m counts against the cap this year.

Assuming all that is correct, they should have $10,728,402 available (give a mil if Walter was June 1 cut), before filling the other 4 roster spots, practice squad costs (816k this year), and signing rookies.

TexansBlood
03-13-2013, 02:59 PM
You jinxed us 76 lol

76Texan
03-13-2013, 03:44 PM
The NFL cap this year is 123 million, but the Texans carried over 2.4 million in cap space, so they have 125.4 to work with this year. If the Sportrac numbers are right, they have 49 players under contract for 112,540,856. They have 2,130,742 in dead money, but Walter's hit may be a June 1st designation, which would mean it's only 1m counts against the cap this year.

Assuming all that is correct, they should have $10,728,402 available (give a mil if Walter was June 1 cut), before filling the other 4 roster spots, practice squad costs (816k this year), and signing rookies.

Don't forget that the current contracts included the PS players we just signed to future contracts recently. Some of them probably won't make the roster, but at least the money is already there (or a good part of it) for some roster spots.

76Texan
03-13-2013, 03:50 PM
You jinxed us 76 lol

Well, it's just reality... Before anybody wants a big FA acquisition.

We can restructure a couple contracts (at most) to get some $6-8M (at the risk of having cap problem when we need to resign Cushing, Watt, KJax.

If you want to win now at all cost, it will come back and bite us the next few years.

I don't expect the Texans to make a big splash in FA; perhaps just two or three mid-level guys.

Dutchrudder
03-13-2013, 03:51 PM
Don't forget that the current contracts included the PS players we just signed to future contracts recently. Some of them probably won't make the roster, but at least the money is already there (or a good part of it) for some roster spots.

I included them in my count of 49. I'm just saying we have 53 spots to fill regardless of who it is, and those spots will take at least 400k each out of our cap space. The guys to be signed to the Psquad in the future will cost at least 816k over the season. Rookies should cost around 5-6m since we will have 11 picks. If we can trade a couple picks to future years or package several to move up, we might save a little, but not much. I think it's safe to say we have about 6-9m in cap space that's spoken for this next season.

ChampionTexan
03-13-2013, 03:57 PM
Don't forget that the current contracts included the PS players we just signed to future contracts recently. Some of them probably won't make the roster, but at least the money is already there (or a good part of it) for some roster spots.

The current cap requirement only counts the top 51 salaries, so no many how many players we sign (offseason limit is 90), the 52nd on down won't count. Immediately prior to the season, the final two spots (along with players on IR and the Practice squad) are included.

76Texan
03-13-2013, 03:58 PM
I included them in my count of 49. I'm just saying we have 53 spots to fill regardless of who it is, and those spots will take at least 400k each out of our cap space. The guys to be signed to the Psquad in the future will cost at least 816k over the season. Rookies should cost around 5-6m since we will have 11 picks. If we can trade a couple picks to future years or package several to move up, we might save a little, but not much. I think it's safe to say we have about 6-9m in cap space that's spoken for this next season.

Easy to see why Walter, Barwin, Quin, and Casey gone.

TexansBlood
03-13-2013, 04:25 PM
Well, it's just reality... Before anybody wants a big FA acquisition.

We can restructure a couple contracts (at most) to get some $6-8M (at the risk of having cap problem when we need to resign Cushing, Watt, KJax.

If you want to win now at all cost, it will come back and bite us the next few years.

I don't expect the Texans to make a big splash in FA; perhaps just two or three mid-level guys.

This is what im afraid of. In a few yrs we are going to be going through exactly what Eagles, Steelers, Ravens are going through and be mediocre and rebuild once again.

76Texan
03-13-2013, 04:44 PM
This is what im afraid of. In a few yrs we are going to be going through exactly what Eagles, Steelers, Ravens are going through and be mediocre and rebuild once again.

In a few years, the fans will be free of Matt Schaub, LOL!

76Texan
03-13-2013, 04:45 PM
Realisticly, in a few years we should have money from AJ and Schaub to reload.

76Texan
03-13-2013, 08:53 PM
So what do these FA signing mean for the Texans in term of compensatory picks?

Dutchrudder
03-13-2013, 08:57 PM
So what do these FA signing mean for the Texans in term of compensatory picks?

Quin is a 4 or 5
Casey is a 5

Insideop
03-13-2013, 09:00 PM
So what do these FA signing mean for the Texans in term of compensatory picks?

We will definitely get 1 each for Casey and GQ, unless we sign some FA's that are equal to or greater than Casey and GQ in value.

leebigeztx
03-13-2013, 09:01 PM
76 texans, rookies are allocated 3m maybe less now.

76Texan
03-13-2013, 09:32 PM
76 texans, rookies are allocated 3m maybe less now.

Thanks for the info; that means the Texans will have a little more to work with, even though we still need to take into account the money we will have to spend on the extra picks. We can expect the third and at least one sixth to make the team.

leebigeztx
03-13-2013, 09:44 PM
Thanks for the info; that means the Texans will have a little more to work with, even though we still need to take into account the money we will have to spend on the extra picks. We can expect the third and at least one sixth to make the team.

yep. I dont have a problem with what they're doing tbh. The new rules when agents can talk saturday night really opens the door for guys. If that guy leaves the building,he's probably gone. The agents are pitting teams against teams which i have no problem with.Only in america when a guy with 11 sacks can get 34m(Krueger) and Mike wallace can get 12m per year

Uncle Rico
03-13-2013, 09:48 PM
I for one am perfectly fine with the 'win now' mentality considering the age of the players at some key positions. You wouldnt trade a year or two of cap hell and subsequent releasing of players for a Super Bowl win? Really?

Heath Shuler
03-13-2013, 09:54 PM
76 texans, rookies are allocated 3m maybe less now.

I dont know if it is accurate or not but these guys say $4,364,825

http://www.overthecap.com/rookie-pool-estimate.php

eriadoc
03-13-2013, 09:57 PM
How much cap hit do they take for not even offering their players a contract and just letting them walk?

Dutchrudder
03-13-2013, 10:12 PM
I dont know if it is accurate or not but these guys say $4,364,825

http://www.overthecap.com/rookie-pool-estimate.php

FTL:
These totals do not include compensatory picks as those have not yet been awarded. When awarded I will update accordingly.

So if we have 4 more picks that can't be traded, we should be somewhere around 6 million in rookie salaries. The 4.364m figure divided by 7 = 623k average per pick. Obviously this may change due to trades, but figure about 500k for the 3rd round comp pick, and 400k for the other three. That would give you about 6m in total spending on rookies for next year. I think some guy upthread said that... :)

76Texan
03-13-2013, 10:35 PM
I for one am perfectly fine with the 'win now' mentality considering the age of the players at some key positions. You wouldnt trade a year or two of cap hell and subsequent releasing of players for a Super Bowl win? Really?

Win now doesn't guarantee you anything.
The Redskins traded half the farm to get RG III.
They didn't go anywhere and is already in cap hell.
This will make it extremely difficult for them the next few years to win anything.

Vinny
03-16-2013, 05:47 PM
Win now doesn't guarantee you anything.
The Redskins traded half the farm to get RG III.
They didn't go anywhere and is already in cap hell.
This will make it extremely difficult for them the next few years to win anything.Other than the excellent team they put together.

Big Lou
03-16-2013, 10:39 PM
Just read that the Pats are gonna release Brandon Lloyd.

I'll take him a Dumervil please.

Dutchrudder
03-17-2013, 04:01 PM
Win now doesn't guarantee you anything.
The Redskins traded half the farm to get RG III.
They didn't go anywhere and is already in cap hell.
This will make it extremely difficult for them the next few years to win anything.

What makes you say that? They might not have a #1 pick for a couple years, but they have their QB of the future. They have a lot of capspace too, and Orakpo will be back from injury next year. I don't think they will be bad off in the near future, but they do have some significant needs. I like their future more than the Colts.

76Texan
03-17-2013, 04:06 PM
What makes you say that? They might not have a #1 pick for a couple years, but they have their QB of the future. They have a lot of capspace too, and Orakpo will be back from injury next year. I don't think they will be bad off in the near future, but they do have some significant needs. I like their future more than the Colts.

By the look of it, their cap space will still be tight next year.

Their offense is good (if the old guys they brought in at RT can stay healthy).

Their defense needs a lot of work in the secondary and they don't have the money to find good FAs.

They need a CB, a nickel back, and a safety.

76Texan
03-17-2013, 04:07 PM
And they will have to spend money on receivers in 2014, several of those contracts will be up.

bhsman
03-17-2013, 04:13 PM
Other than the excellent team they put together.

An excellent offensive squad, yes. :whistle:

WolverineFan
03-17-2013, 04:57 PM
By the look of it, their cap space will still be tight next year.

Their offense is good (if the old guys they brought in at RT can stay healthy).

Their defense needs a lot of work in the secondary and they don't have the money to find good FAs.

They need a CB, a nickel back, and a safety.

Remember they are tight against the cap because of penalties from the lockout season. I think they only have 1 more year left.

ChampionTexan
03-17-2013, 05:03 PM
Remember they are tight against the cap because of penalties from the lockout season. I think they only have 1 more year left.

Yeah, I was just going to say that the penalty going away will by itself create $18 Million of cap room for 2014. The total salary cap penalty was $36 Million split 50/50 between 2012 and 2013.

steelbtexan
03-17-2013, 05:11 PM
Win now doesn't guarantee you anything.
The Redskins traded half the farm to get RG III.
They didn't go anywhere and is already in cap hell.
This will make it extremely difficult for them the next few years to win anything.

Yep, it doesn't graruntee anything.

But the $$$$ cost of RG3 is more than offset by not having to pay 2013/2014 1st rd picks and the 2012 2nd.

What I would do in regards to the Texans FA is, say Rick has 12 mil to play with, sign Reed for 6 mil. Then sign Dumervil for 8mil. Cut A.Smith saving 6 mil and draft a DE or NT with in rds 1/2 and use the 4 mil in savings from cutting A.smith to sign draft picks. This requires thinking outside the box. so with Rick you know it will never happen.

infantrycak
03-17-2013, 05:17 PM
Yep, it doesn't graruntee anything.

But the $$$$ cost of RG3 is more than offset by not having to pay 2013/2014 1st rd picks and the 2012 2nd.

What I would do in regards to the Texans FA is, say Rick has 12 mil to play with, sign Reed for 6 mil. Then sign Dumervil for 8mil. Cut A.Smith saving 6 mil and draft a DE or NT with in rds 1/2 and use the 4 mil in savings from cutting A.smith to sign draft picks. This requires thinking outside the box. so with Rick you know it will never happen.

Yup that sure is some out of the box thinking. Only you and 50 other people on a football MB have come up with the same plan. I am sure none of the guys down on Kirby have considered such earth shattering concepts. Have you e-mailed your insight to them?

76Texan
03-17-2013, 05:44 PM
Yep, it doesn't graruntee anything.

But the $$$$ cost of RG3 is more than offset by not having to pay 2013/2014 1st rd picks and the 2012 2nd.

What I would do in regards to the Texans FA is, say Rick has 12 mil to play with, sign Reed for 6 mil. Then sign Dumervil for 8mil. Cut A.Smith saving 6 mil and draft a DE or NT with in rds 1/2 and use the 4 mil in savings from cutting A.smith to sign draft picks. This requires thinking outside the box. so with Rick you know it will never happen.

I'm not so sure that RG III will be able to offset the cost of his acquisition.
Remember the two first rounds weren't the only thing.

At this moment, the Redskins are cap-trapped to be able to make any FA move to improve their porous secondary.
2nd and 3rd draft picks at the spots they are picking will not be able to make a difference (on the average) in the first couple of years.

By the time they have some cap room, they have to deal with replacing the receiving corp; and then the LBs, and so on.

If RG III doesn't make use of his legs, he's not worth as much; but there's always a risk of injury.

The only thing that helped them last year was that the Cowboys were also in jeopardy the same way and the Eagles simply imploded.

Had the Eagles played the way they were supposed to, thebRedskins wouldn't have won the division.

And the odds is that the Giants will fare better this year; so, yeah, I think it's going to be difficult for the Redskins to make the play-off this year.

steelbtexan
03-17-2013, 05:49 PM
Yup that sure is some out of the box thinking. Only you and 50 other people on a football MB have come up with the same plan. I am sure none of the guys down on Kirby have considered such earth shattering concepts. Have you e-mailed your insight to them?

Nope, I really dont care what they do. As a fan remember it's Bob's team and that business always comes 1st.

Why dont you give Rick a hand down on Kirby. I'm sure they could use someone as wise as you to help them out. BoB would probably give you a halftime salute on the field.

steelbtexan
03-17-2013, 05:55 PM
I'm not so sure that RG III will be able to offset the cost of his acquisition.
Remember the two first rounds weren't the only thing.

At this moment, the Redskins are cap-trapped to be able to make any FA move to improve their porous secondary.
2nd and 3rd draft picks at the spots they are picking will not be able to make a difference (on the average) in the first couple of years.

By the time they have some cap room, they have to deal with replacing the receiving corp; and then the LBs, and so on.

If RG III doesn't make use of his legs, he's not worth as much; but there's always a risk of injury.

The only thing that helped them last year was that the Cowboys were also in jeopardy the same way and the Eagles simply imploded.

Had the Eagles played the way they were supposed to, thebRedskins wouldn't have won the division.

And the odds is that the Giants will fare better this year; so, yeah, I think it's going to be difficult for the Redskins to make the play-off this year.

Yep, without a healthy RG3 I doubt the Skins make the playoffs. Shannys use of RG3 was stupid at best and criminal at worse.

Mara really put it to the Skins as well, collusion in the NFL pays. The Skins can overcome this by drafting well and taking some chances on Mathieu/Rodgers type guys. Kinda like the Rams did with Jenkins/Johnson last yr.

76Texan
03-17-2013, 05:59 PM
Remember they are tight against the cap because of penalties from the lockout season. I think they only have 1 more year left.

Yeah, I was just going to say that the penalty going away will by itself create $18 Million of cap room for 2014. The total salary cap penalty was $36 Million split 50/50 between 2012 and 2013.

After Vinny's post, I spent a few hours reading about the Skins, checking out their players, their contracts, and their future cap spaces.

They will be tight for at least a couple of years.
But the best thing may happened to them there, because it forces them to make do. Some lesser guys will be given opportunities and they might step up.

Their FO learns a lesson and they will be spending more wisely (doing more leg work ; ie. spend more time to hone their trade a little harder than they already have - that's pretty normal with most people, I think.)

76Texan
03-17-2013, 06:05 PM
Yep, without a healthy RG3 I doubt the Skins make the playoffs. Shannys use of RG3 was stupid at best and criminal at worse.

Mara really put it to the Skins as well, collusion in the NFL pays. The Skins can overcome this by drafting well and taking some chances on Mathieu/Rodgers type guys. Kinda like the Rams did with Jenkins/Johnson last yr.

Maybe the pressure of DC affects his normal thinking.
He probably needs the fresh Colorado air to clear his mind.

thunderkyss
03-18-2013, 06:49 AM
Well, it's just reality... Before anybody wants a big FA acquisition.

We can restructure a couple contracts (at most) to get some $6-8M (at the risk of having cap problem when we need to resign Cushing, Watt, KJax.

If you want to win now at all cost, it will come back and bite us the next few years.

I don't expect the Texans to make a big splash in FA; perhaps just two or three mid-level guys.

Then in reality we need to be projecting our payroll through the next 3 years & consider the additional cost of signing players this year.

The cap space we have right now only affects right now. Players like Antonio, Wade Smith, & OD will be coming off the books, or change over the next three years. IMO, unless you have that information, or at least a pretty good idea, it doesn't make sense to say, "We can't sign so & so now because we have to lock up Watt in the future."

& just like any other player, there is a line where Watt will be too much. That needs to be decided over the next couple of years, but Watt will have to want to be here, because where ever that line is, he'll be able to get more from a more desperate team.

76Texan
03-18-2013, 01:02 PM
Then in reality we need to be projecting our payroll through the next 3 years & consider the additional cost of signing players this year.

The cap space we have right now only affects right now. Players like Antonio, Wade Smith, & OD will be coming off the books, or change over the next three years. IMO, unless you have that information, or at least a pretty good idea, it doesn't make sense to say, "We can't sign so & so now because we have to lock up Watt in the future."

& just like any other player, there is a line where Watt will be too much. That needs to be decided over the next couple of years, but Watt will have to want to be here, because where ever that line is, he'll be able to get more from a more desperate team.

Dutch did a little study; and I checked out some numbers as well.
I think we should be fine unless something extra-ordinary happens.

Some of the important points:

Antonio Smith is taking up $9.5 in cap space.
When his contract is up, we should be able to use that money to find a competent replacement (may be even a better, younger talent.)

Cushing is taking up nearly $5M in cap space.
It shouldn't take a whole lot more to re-up him unless he blows up this season, which would mean less needs for high-paying players around him.

For every player that will see an increase in cap, there's one that we're on the way to phase out due to their age or performance level.
Assuming we replace Wade Smith with a young guard (Jones of Brook) in 2014, for example.

O.D. will never get more than what his cap hit is at the moment.
Manning and Joseph can be replaced with the money that their cap hits are right now (among the top at their positions.)

The key for us is to keep hitting in the draft such that we stay ahead of the curve. The better we do in the draft, the more chance we have to replace people when their contract require a significant raise, or the level of cap hit rises close to the red level.

For example, if we can replace Schaub with either Keenum or Yates in 2014, we will spare changes to keep.

CloakNNNdagger
03-20-2013, 10:01 PM
With McCain and now Reed being signed, as things stand, we can't have any more than about $3.5 million left under the cap. Somebody better get moving on wheeling and dealing somewhere.

Joe Texan
03-20-2013, 10:19 PM
Hey cap genies. Let the team worry about it

TexanSam
03-20-2013, 10:22 PM
With McCain and now Reed being signed, as things stand, we can't have any more than about $3.5 million left under the cap. Somebody better get moving on wheeling and dealing somewhere.

And almost all of that money will go towards signing our draft picks. I'm guessing either Antonio Smith or Andre Johnson have their contracts are restructured.

Titans Sux 72
03-20-2013, 10:22 PM
Hey cap genies. Let the team worry about it

Word!

badboy
03-20-2013, 11:38 PM
Hey cap genies. Let the team worry about it
Where is the fun in that? Don't watch the game, just get score after.