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HoustonFrog
03-12-2013, 12:38 PM
Here we go...

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Texans released WR Kevin Walter, per league source.

Dutchrudder
03-12-2013, 12:38 PM
Hope and change are comin! :doot:

redglare
03-12-2013, 12:39 PM
But when are they gonna cut Kevin Walter?

Seņor Stan
03-12-2013, 12:39 PM
The thread title needs to remain uncorrected.

A fitting tribute...

HoustonFrog
03-12-2013, 12:42 PM
The thread title needs to remain uncorrected.

A fitting tribute...

LOL..I corrected it. Sorry, typing fast and for some reason I add the "S" Feels so right, I don't want to be wrong/.

Goodwrench3
03-12-2013, 12:45 PM
Finally,finally....

dalemurphy
03-12-2013, 12:49 PM
It's a good move. I'm all for celebrating when the organization makes good decisions like they have done here. However, it should be remembered, that Kevin Walter was a heck of a player for the Texans. He was always on the field. Never created problems. Made many big catches and did all the little things (like blocking) to help this team win.

It was frustrating watching the wide receiving corp struggle to get open and create separation the past two seasons, but he was never paid to be the guy that stretches the field. He always did his job and did it well.

Thank you, Kevin Walter, for the past six years.

Dutchrudder
03-12-2013, 12:50 PM
The move saves 2.5 million in cap space this year, because it creates 2 million in dead money. It also saves 4.5 million in cap space for 2014.

76Texan
03-12-2013, 12:50 PM
Thanks to a deep draft, I guess.

The first cap casualty.

Playoffs
03-12-2013, 12:51 PM
I expect to see someone added -- mid/low tier free agent.

SCOTTexans
03-12-2013, 12:52 PM
Finally some news.

Cant say I'm surprised...

NitroGSXR
03-12-2013, 12:54 PM
Thank you for the memories!! We loved you and wish you well!!

#83

Schaub2Dre
03-12-2013, 12:55 PM
Thanks for the memories Kevin. I'll always remember that Playoff clinching catch you made 2 seasons ago against the Bengals, and that monster game you had against the Jags couple years ago.

ChampionTexan
03-12-2013, 12:56 PM
I expect to see someone added -- mid/low tier free agent.

Or it could be setting up someone (hopefully Quin) for a contract renewal.

If it were a restructure (which we probably wouldn't know about this soon anyway), then you could almost guarantee something was coming down as a direct result. As it is, it's still a realistic possibility, and we can hope for some news.

CretorFrigg
03-12-2013, 01:00 PM
Finally!!!!!! Hopefully with this cut, we get a lot more options in free agency.

HOU-TEX
03-12-2013, 01:04 PM
Thank you for the memories!! We loved you and wish you well!!

#83

^This. Much love to lunchpail type players

badboy
03-12-2013, 01:05 PM
The move saves 2.5 million in cap space this year, because it creates 2 million in dead money. It also saves 4.5 million in cap space for 2014.

I am hopeful that will go towards a NT like Aubrayo Franklin. I was not a fan of Walter when Gary brought him onboard but came to enjoy his play. After last season time to move on. He can get another deal elsewhere or perhaps go on radio with other former Texans. Not thinking we will see anything on Quin be signed for some time by Texans. He has probably been offered a deal and Smith with allow him to persue offers.

76Texan
03-12-2013, 01:07 PM
The one thing I don't like is that Kubiak didn't quite prepare for the replacement.

I thought one of the other guys (Jean or Posey) should have seen a little more of the field in the blocking capacity of Walter.

Too caught up in winning games? May be.

But I believe in transitions; you have got to prepare for the next wave instead of just throwing them out to the wolves to sink or swim.

(They did for other positions, from TE to nickel back.)
But I still wanted for them to prepare the WRs a little better.

htowntexans1985
03-12-2013, 01:14 PM
Even after cutting Walter we still have arguably the worst wr corp in the league. Lol. :kitten:

Hervoyel
03-12-2013, 01:18 PM
So what I'm wondering is are we going to be seeing Walter again with a smaller salary before all is done. I'm not saying I want to see him back, I'm just wondering what the odds are that we do see him again.

bhsman
03-12-2013, 01:23 PM
The one thing I don't like is that Kubiak didn't quite prepare for the replacement.

I thought one of the other guys (Jean or Posey) should have seen a little more of the field in the blocking capacity of Walter.

Too caught up in winning games? May be.

But I believe in transitions; you have got to prepare for the next wave instead of just throwing them out to the wolves to sink or swim.

(They did for other positions, from TE to nickel back.)
But I still wanted for them to prepare the WRs a little better.

Didn't Posey actually overtake Walter in WR2 snaps near the end of the season? All the more reason why Posey's injury was so unlucky for the team. :(

rmartin65
03-12-2013, 01:24 PM
But when are they gonna cut Kevin Walter?

Solid first post, lol. I like you, redglare. You will fit in here.

rolyat93
03-12-2013, 01:30 PM
We'll always have the Cincy catch, Kevin. Thanks for your professionalism, sir.

Porky
03-12-2013, 01:33 PM
Walter will be missed in the run game, but it was clear that what little he offered in the pass game was dwindling. I'm not sure if I want him back unless it's at the vet min and even then I might favor the young guys.

Good locker room guy, did everything asked, squeezed all his talent out on the field, but he was somewhat limited athletically. Good guy, and I'll miss seeing him out there, but the timing was right for this.

badboy
03-12-2013, 01:35 PM
The one thing I don't like is that Kubiak didn't quite prepare for the replacement.

I thought one of the other guys (Jean or Posey) should have seen a little more of the field in the blocking capacity of Walter.

Too caught up in winning games? May be.

But I believe in transitions; you have got to prepare for the next wave instead of just throwing them out to the wolves to sink or swim.

(They did for other positions, from TE to nickel back.)
But I still wanted for them to prepare the WRs a little better.My thoughts are none of the 3 (Martin/Posey or Jean) brought what Kubiak expected so he continued with Walter. Posey did come around and did see more time which supports my position. Also the" win the game" is a good projection.

mussop
03-12-2013, 01:38 PM
In before the whiny "if we would of done this sooner we could of had Bolden" post.


Wonder who is next. Smith (OG)????

thunderkyss
03-12-2013, 01:40 PM
The move saves 2.5 million in cap space this year, because it creates 2 million in dead money. It also saves 4.5 million in cap space for 2014.

Which is confusing to me.

Why now? This could have been done three months ago, giving Kevin more time to find a team before FA.

Why not restructure? Surely Walter doesn't believe he'll make equivalent money elsewhere.

I know that I don't know, but the way the Texans conduct business just seems awkward to me.

Heath Shuler
03-12-2013, 01:41 PM
Thanks Kevin.

djohn2oo8
03-12-2013, 01:44 PM
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
extension that relieves cap number more likely #Texans RT @BKSportsTalk Chances that Antonio Smith is released?

eriadoc
03-12-2013, 01:46 PM
I like Kevin Walter. Teams need guys like that. I have never had a problem with Kevin Walter. What I have had a problem with is the coaching staff putting him in a position that he was never really suited for. What I have a problem with is how he has been a #3/#4 level receiver, paid like a #2/#3 level receiver, and yet the team is still worse without him, as of this moment. Maybe they have a plan to replace him, but I sure haven't grown to trust their decisions at WR.

Good luck, Kevin Walter.

Nawzer
03-12-2013, 01:46 PM
Good luck to him. Made the most of his ability as a NFL player.

HOU-TEX
03-12-2013, 01:50 PM
Maybe we'll be able to draft Swope. I mean, it just wouldn't be right not having our token white boy at the WR position.

And yes, I omitted Maehl on purpose

TexanSam
03-12-2013, 01:53 PM
Maybe we'll be able to draft Swope. I mean, it just wouldn't be right not having our token white boy at the WR position.

And yes, I omitted Maehl on purpose

I didn't even know Maehl was white. I guess he didn't see the field often enough for me to notice lol.

deucetx
03-12-2013, 01:55 PM
Which is confusing to me.

Why now? This could have been done three months ago, giving Kevin more time to find a team before FA.

Why not restructure? Surely Walter doesn't believe he'll make equivalent money elsewhere.

I know that I don't know, but the way the Texans conduct business just seems awkward to me.

Only thing I can guess is they took the time to evaulate options via draft and wanted to see all the possibilities in free agency in terms of who was released and get a feel for what type of contracts some are seeking. Guess they have specific targets in mind that made them feel more comfortable with the release. I always found it a service to the player though that if you are going to release a guy then get it over with so they can get on the radar of other teams.

Thankful for the work he put in but it was time for us to move on. But 76 is right in that our work at developing receivers leaves something to be desired and makes it a bit worrisome at the same time.

nflnutswife
03-12-2013, 01:55 PM
Bet he gets a Superbowl ring before we do....LOL!

Vance87
03-12-2013, 01:58 PM
Thanks for all the hard work Kev!

HOU-TEX
03-12-2013, 01:59 PM
I didn't even know Maehl was white. I guess he didn't see the field often enough for me to notice lol.

Ha, no doubt. I'm not sure why we keep bringing him back

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/IMG_1077-600x800.jpg

TexCanada
03-12-2013, 02:01 PM
Thanks KW! I actually hope we see him back a lower cap number. Our lack of depth there is very worrying.

TexanBacker93
03-12-2013, 02:02 PM
It's a good move. I'm all for celebrating when the organization makes good decisions like they have done here. However, it should be remembered, that Kevin Walter was a heck of a player for the Texans. He was always on the field. Never created problems. Made many big catches and did all the little things (like blocking) to help this team win.

It was frustrating watching the wide receiving corp struggle to get open and create separation the past two seasons, but he was never paid to be the guy that stretches the field. He always did his job and did it well.

Thank you, Kevin Walter, for the past six years.

Hear, hear.

TexanBacker93
03-12-2013, 02:03 PM
Bet he gets a Superbowl ring before we do....LOL!

I'm thinking he retires unless we bring him back at a lower cost. I think I've heard him say before that he really doesn't see himself moving on. Still, people's plans change. Boldin said he would retire if not with the Ravens.

Trap_Star
03-12-2013, 02:10 PM
But when are they gonna cut Kevin Walter?

QFT







In all seriousness, just be patient....I'm sure Rick is trying to hammer out the Schaub extention first before he gets to cutting Kevin Walter.

ChampionTexan
03-12-2013, 02:10 PM
Which is confusing to me.

Why now? This could have been done three months ago, giving Kevin more time to find a team before FA.

Why not restructure? Surely Walter doesn't believe he'll make equivalent money elsewhere.

I know that I don't know, but the way the Texans conduct business just seems awkward to me.

Three questions:

1. How would it have been better for the Texans if he'd been cut three months ago, or two months ago, or two weeks ago?

2. How much do you really think Kevin Walter would have benefitted had the above happened? It's not like he's missing out on any of the free agency period as defined by the start of the new league year, and it's also doubtful that any team(s) would have been beating a path to his door sign him if he had been available. Cutting him the night before opening day, I can see the issue - cutting him the first day of the new league year doesn't seem unfair at all (if being fair even matters).

3. In what way is it "awkward"? There's been a steady stream of NFL players getting cut over the last few days, including others being cut today (Antoine Winfield for one). There will also very likely be cuts over the next few days. It doesn't seem awkward at all to me - it just seems like the way much if not most of the NFL conducts business.

Honoring Earl 34
03-12-2013, 02:17 PM
Walter did his job up until midway last year and the wheels fell off the whole cart . Last year was supposed to be the Texans year and now they're scrambling to put the pieces back together .

This is made a bunch more difficult when you don't have the likes of Brady , Brees , Manning or Rogers .

Thorn
03-12-2013, 02:19 PM
Walter was in the twilight of his carear, so this isn't surprising. I wish the guy nothing but good luck in his future. We have some good memories of his performances here.

ObsiWan
03-12-2013, 02:32 PM
It's a good move. I'm all for celebrating when the organization makes good decisions like they have done here. However, it should be remembered, that Kevin Walter was a heck of a player for the Texans. He was always on the field. Never created problems. Made many big catches and did all the little things (like blocking) to help this team win.

It was frustrating watching the wide receiving corp struggle to get open and create separation the past two seasons, but he was never paid to be the guy that stretches the field. He always did his job and did it well.

Thank you, Kevin Walter, for the past six years.

Thank you for the memories!! We loved you and wish you well!!

#83

Thanks for the memories Kevin. I'll always remember that Playoff clinching catch you made 2 seasons ago against the Bengals, and that monster game you had against the Jags couple years ago.

Walter will be missed in the run game, but it was clear that what little he offered in the pass game was dwindling. I'm not sure if I want him back unless it's at the vet min and even then I might favor the young guys.

Good locker room guy, did everything asked, squeezed all his talent out on the field, but he was somewhat limited athletically. Good guy, and I'll miss seeing him out there, but the timing was right for this.

Agree with the above. Respected him for how he played and the kind of pro he was. I wish him well also.

OTOH, not surprised either.
Here's hoping Posey makes a full recovery. I think he's the heir apparent, not Jean or any of the others.

Wonder if this means less of a "run-first" mantra from the offensive brain trust.

Playoffs
03-12-2013, 02:35 PM
................G .GS Rec .Yds .Y/R TD YScm
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7 yrs HOU 109 89 326 4083 12.5 24 4165


http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Kevin+Walter+Baltimore+Ravens+v+Houston+Texans+fgT VN9c6TYvl.jpg

CretorFrigg
03-12-2013, 02:43 PM
I like Kevin Walter. Teams need guys like that. I have never had a problem with Kevin Walter. What I have had a problem with is the coaching staff putting him in a position that he was never really suited for. What I have a problem with is how he has been a #3/#4 level receiver, paid like a #2/#3 level receiver, and yet the team is still worse without him, as of this moment. Maybe they have a plan to replace him, but I sure haven't grown to trust their decisions at WR.

Good luck, Kevin Walter.

I agree with this. Walter's not a terrible receiver. He's got great hands, and I rarely ever see him drop a pass.

But like you said, he's a #4/#3 (at best), and he's getting paid like a #2, and playing as our #2. That's where the problem is. No, our WRs are not better without him, but cutting him gives us more cap space to pursue other options at WR that may upgrade our #2 position.

TexanBacker93
03-12-2013, 02:50 PM
Three questions:


2. How much do you really think Kevin Walter would have benefitted had the above happened? It's not like he's missing out on any of the free agency period as defined by the start of the new league year, and it's also doubtful that any team(s) would have been beating a path to his door sign him if he had been available. Cutting him the night before opening day, I can see the issue - cutting him the first day of the new league year doesn't seem unfair at all (if being fair even matters).



If he had been cut, then he could have signed with another team whenever. However, I doubt another team really would have spent a dime on him before they saw what else was available. Plus, it's a very deep WR draft. I would imagine most teams would look at a mid-round rookie receiver as a better alternative to Walter.

SW H-TOWN
03-12-2013, 02:50 PM
Good move. We were paying him too much for what he provided to the team.

Double Barrel
03-12-2013, 02:58 PM
Thanks for the years, KW!

Hopefully we can find another no. 2 WR that can catch floppy passes thrown to where he was in his route a second before. Dude could stop mid-route and make catches behind himself as good as anyone on the team. He was also pretty good at making catches that appeared to be thrown at his feet.

ASidd_1990
03-12-2013, 03:04 PM
Some dude on twitter named TexSportsReview saying Michael Crabtree to the Texans.

TIFWIW.

Mr teX
03-12-2013, 03:05 PM
It's a good move. I'm all for celebrating when the organization makes good decisions like they have done here. However, it should be remembered, that Kevin Walter was a heck of a player for the Texans. He was always on the field. Never created problems. Made many big catches and did all the little things (like blocking) to help this team win.

It was frustrating watching the wide receiving corp struggle to get open and create separation the past two seasons, but he was never paid to be the guy that stretches the field. He always did his job and did it well.

Thank you, Kevin Walter, for the past six years.

Classy and sums up my feelings about it to the T...It was time for both parties to move on, but i won't celebrate. The guy did everything we asked of him to the best of his abilities.

ChampionTexan
03-12-2013, 03:06 PM
If he had been cut, then he could have signed with another team whenever. However, I doubt another team really would have spent a dime on him before they saw what else was available. Plus, it's a very deep WR draft. I would imagine most teams would look at a mid-round rookie receiver as a better alternative to Walter.

I'm aware that anybody could have signed him (and pretty much said what you did about lack of interest in doing that).

The point is, there's only two real problems that can result in terms of the timing of cutting someone. The first is if roster's have already been set, as in the night before the season example. The second is if teams have already spent most/all of their free agent budget, and there's nothing left. This is where the free agency period starting today comes in - none of that money has been spent (although not to beat a dead horse, but given the salary expectations I think are realistic for Walter, that will likely never be much of an issue for him anyway).

As has been brought up earlier in this thread, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Walter back with the Texans at veteran minimum salary, and only a $600,000 (give or take) salary cap hit.

AnthonyE
03-12-2013, 03:07 PM
Thanks for the memories Kevin. I'll always remember that Playoff clinching catch you made 2 seasons ago against the Bengals, and that monster game you had against the Jags couple years ago.

The guy always has been clutch. I'm genuinely sorry to see him go. :/

Texn4life
03-12-2013, 03:07 PM
Some dude on twitter named TexSportsReview saying Michael Crabtree to the Texans.

TIFWIW.

That deal doesn't make sense for San Fran.

ASidd_1990
03-12-2013, 03:09 PM
That deal doesn't make sense for San Fran.

I know but Crabtree next to AJ would be HUGE.

Crabtree and AJ > Roddy White and Julio Jones

rolyat93
03-12-2013, 03:09 PM
I know but Crabtree next to AJ would be HUGE.

Crabtree and AJ > Roddy White and Julio Jones

Keep dreaming.

Texn4life
03-12-2013, 03:13 PM
I know but Crabtree next to AJ would be HUGE.

Crabtree and AJ > Roddy White and Julio Jones

I would absolutely love it if it were true, but Manningham is coming off of a major injury, and so is Kyle Williams. Doubt they would wanna part with their only reliable receiver on the team last year.

CloakNNNdagger
03-12-2013, 03:21 PM
As has been brought up earlier in this thread, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Walter back with the Texans at veteran minimum salary, and only a $600,000 (give or take) salary cap hit.

And THAT, my friend, is likely to be our "big splash" in Free Agency! :hankpalm::backsout:

bckey
03-12-2013, 03:22 PM
They did sign Anquan Boldin.

ObsiWan
03-12-2013, 03:24 PM
And THAT, my friend, is likely to be our "big splash" in Free Agency! :hankpalm::backsout:
What's yer point?

Waiting just a bit kept us from paying Nnamdi galaxtic bucks and getting J. Jo instead. That kind of free agency spending works for me. :D

281
03-12-2013, 03:28 PM
Some dude on twitter named TexSportsReview saying Michael Crabtree to the Texans.

TIFWIW.

I would LOVE this.

thunderkyss
03-12-2013, 03:53 PM
But 76 is right in that our work at developing receivers leaves something to be desired and makes it a bit worrisome at the same time.

Hence....... I'd like to see us make a move at WR coach. That guy has been stealing Andre's lunch money too long.

GP
03-12-2013, 04:07 PM
Some dude on twitter named TexSportsReview saying Michael Crabtree to the Texans.

TIFWIW.

No way that's gonna work.

We don't have the cap space.

Crabtree was just in the Super Bowl, had a great playoff run. We can't afford the cap hit.

djohn2oo8
03-12-2013, 04:11 PM
Texas Sports Review ‏@TexSportsReview
Michael Crabtree to #Texans MAYBE


Texas Sports Review ‏@TexSportsReview

@Zepp1978 honestly I highly doubt it but was told it may happen before NFC Championship game, if the Niners added a vet. WR


https://twitter.com/TexSportsReview

thunderkyss
03-12-2013, 04:11 PM
If he had been cut, then he could have signed with another team whenever. However, I doubt another team really would have spent a dime on him before they saw what else was available. Plus, it's a very deep WR draft. I would imagine most teams would look at a mid-round rookie receiver as a better alternative to Walter.

I wouldn't be so sure. It's always nice to have a vet that can be depended on & with so many young teams out there.... couldn't hurt. He most likely wouldn't cost the other team a great deal of money, shouldn't hurt their plans going forward. As been stated, the Texans is the only team he's going to be playing #2WR for.

Anyway, that's his agents job. Doesn't hurt the Texans in anyway to cut him early & bank the money, start working on the next thing. The only reason I can think the Texans would have waited so long for, is because they only recently made up their minds that it needs to be done.

Which doesn't look good for this FO (imo).

Nawzer
03-12-2013, 04:18 PM
Texas Sports Review ‏@TexSportsReview
Michael Crabtree to #Texans MAYBE


Texas Sports Review ‏@TexSportsReview

@Zepp1978 honestly I highly doubt it but was told it may happen before NFC Championship game, if the Niners added a vet. WR


https://twitter.com/TexSportsReview

Countdown to this thread turning into the Sign Asomugha or Eric Moulds thread....

ChampionTexan
03-12-2013, 04:19 PM
I wouldn't be so sure. It's always nice to have a vet that can be depended on & with so many young teams out there.... couldn't hurt. He most likely wouldn't cost the other team a great deal of money, shouldn't hurt their plans going forward. As been stated, the Texans is the only team he's going to be playing #2WR for.

Anyway, that's his agents job. Doesn't hurt the Texans in anyway to cut him early & bank the money, start working on the next thing. The only reason I can think the Texans would have waited so long for, is because they only recently made up their minds that it needs to be done.

Which doesn't look good for this FO (imo).

Again, the money is there now, and they couldn't sign any free agents previously anyway (other than street FA's who they had cap space to sign anyway - if they'd wanted), so what would have been the tangible benefit to them if they'd done this earlier?

HOU-TEX
03-12-2013, 04:22 PM
Texas Sports Review ‏@TexSportsReview
Michael Crabtree to #Texans MAYBE


Texas Sports Review ‏@TexSportsReview

@Zepp1978 honestly I highly doubt it but was told it may happen before NFC Championship game, if the Niners added a vet. WR


https://twitter.com/TexSportsReview

Just scanned through this cats timeline. I think I'd unfollow. lmao

thunderkyss
03-12-2013, 04:22 PM
No way that's gonna work.

We don't have the cap space.

Crabtree was just in the Super Bowl, had a great playoff run. We can't afford the cap hit.

According to the source, (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4538482) the Crabtree contract is for six years and $32 million that could maximize to $40 million if he achieves every incentive in the deal. The guarantee in the contract is $17 million, but he is expected to make $19 million over the first three years and $23 million over the first four years. The five-year deal is worth $28 million, according to the source.

Crabtree signed a 6 year deal in 2009. He's still on the hook for 2 more years. Looks like there's only $17M left over the next two years & that includes performance based incentives.

If we get Crabtree, it'll be through trade. The 49ers would have to think the flash they saw was just that, a flash, & the time is right to capitalize on that flash. Maybe they've already made up their minds that he's not the player they want.

If we traded for him, it would be up to us to offer him a new contract. But if he's playing for $4M+ incentives, why would we do that? Not this year anyway, maybe next.

But if he's playing for $4M+ incentives, how bad would he have to be for the 9ers to be ready to part ways?

Goldensilence
03-12-2013, 05:50 PM
So what I'm wondering is are we going to be seeing Walter again with a smaller salary before all is done. I'm not saying I want to see him back, I'm just wondering what the odds are that we do see him again.

This. Exactly this.

I think he'll shop around and it'll be unlikely to get what he's been making here or play the kind of role he wants to on another team.

I really like what KW brings to the table outside of his catching production, but that's the biggest problem. He's not effective outside at all anymore.

I'd love to see him back and relegated to the slot where he's more suited and I think can be much more effective. We need more production and speed from a #2

Maddict5
03-12-2013, 07:04 PM
wish KW well in the future....he never let the texans down in his time here

C Madd
03-12-2013, 07:48 PM
wish KW well in the future....he never let the texans down in his time here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=H6sA-pWv9sc#t=60s

Definitely won't forget this.

False Start
03-12-2013, 08:58 PM
Hopefully this leads to something good, as in getting a legitimate #2 WR that will eventually become the Texans next bad ass WR... :homer:

Then again, it may not. :littlelol:

I liked K Dub, he was pretty good for awhile, and made some clutch catches. I wish him the best.

Lucky
03-12-2013, 10:20 PM
So what I'm wondering is are we going to be seeing Walter again with a smaller salary before all is done
I don't know if the Texans offered Walter a salary reduction, or if Walter turned it down. But his remaining bonus allocation hit the books, so it doesn't make sense to bring him back now. I think he'll find a decent deal as a #3WR. If not, Walter has made about $20 million playing in the NFL. Retiring at 31 doesn't sound so bad.

Texn4life
03-12-2013, 10:41 PM
I don't know if the Texans offered Walter a salary reduction, or if Walter turned it down. But his remaining bonus allocation hit the books, so it doesn't make sense to bring him back now. I think he'll find a decent deal as a #3WR. If not, Walter has made about $20 million playing in the NFL. Retiring at 31 doesn't sound so bad.

Kubiak has already mentioned that its a possibility he could come back after the team conducts other "business". I still don't think its gonna happen.

badboy
03-12-2013, 10:41 PM
Some dude on twitter named TexSportsReview saying Michael Crabtree to the Texans.

TIFWIW.Interesting but still under contract I think.

10/7/2009: Signed a six-year, $32 million contract. The deal contains $17 million guaranteed. Another $8 million is available through incentives. The contract can void to five years based on "unlikely to be earned" Pro Bowl and playing-time triggers. Per one clause in the deal, $15 million of Crabtree's available escalators is contingent on him participating in at least 90% of annual offseason workouts. 2013: $4.5 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus), 2014: $3.5 million (Voidable Year), 2015: Free Agent
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5135/michael-crabtree

cap $6.4m

steelbtexan
03-12-2013, 10:42 PM
wish KW well in the future....he never let the texans down in his time here

^^^^
This

badboy
03-12-2013, 11:04 PM
Crabtree signed a 6 year deal in 2009. He's still on the hook for 2 more years. Looks like there's only $17M left over the next two years & that includes performance based incentives.

If we get Crabtree, it'll be through trade. The 49ers would have to think the flash they saw was just that, a flash, & the time is right to capitalize on that flash. Maybe they've already made up their minds that he's not the player they want.

If we traded for him, it would be up to us to offer him a new contract. But if he's playing for $4M+ incentives, why would we do that? Not this year anyway, maybe next.

But if he's playing for $4M+ incentives, how bad would he have to be for the 9ers to be ready to part ways?Boldin cost a 6th round. Subtract the $2.5 m for Walter and Crabtree's cap is less than $4.5. Let's say he plays for Houston for current money and has another 1,000 yd season. 2014 is a player option & at 27 he could be re-signed to team friendly deal.

Wolf6151
03-13-2013, 01:58 AM
I wish Kevin Walter all the best in his future NFL career, except when he might play against the Texans.

This move tells me that the Texans are close to a deal on another FA WR, or that they are confident in getting who they want in the 1st round of the draft, and that they are willing to trade up to go after who they've targeted. WR was already a huge team need but it now becomes much more so.

This might also tell us something about the achilles injury to Posey. It might not be as bad as we think.

76Texan
03-13-2013, 12:05 PM
I wish Kevin Walter all the best in his future NFL career, except when he might play against the Texans.

This move tells me that the Texans are close to a deal on another FA WR, or that they are confident in getting who they want in the 1st round of the draft, and that they are willing to trade up to go after who they've targeted. WR was already a huge team need but it now becomes much more so.

This might also tell us something about the achilles injury to Posey. It might not be as bad as we think.

I hope Posey is in game shape by the time the play-offs roll around; that's the most important thing.

HOU-TEX
03-26-2013, 03:22 PM
Walter has visit with the tits

@jwyattsports: The #Titans are hosting receivers Brandon Stokley and Kevin Walter on free agency today

Carr Bombed
03-26-2013, 03:52 PM
Oh the humanity! Think of all that super human like run blocking CJ will get if they sign Walter :rolleyes:

tru80texan
03-26-2013, 03:57 PM
Walter has visit with the tits

Hope they sign him! Then the Texans secondary will only have to focus on the other WR when he's on the field or get ready for the run. Perfect!

Dutchrudder
03-26-2013, 03:58 PM
Maybe this will turn CJ2YPC into CJ2.1YPC?

Goodwrench3
04-01-2013, 04:54 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 12m
Titans announced they reached agreements on one-year deals with WR Kevin Walter and OL Chris Spencer.

Rey
04-01-2013, 05:03 PM
He'll get to play a role he's more suited for.

IDEXAN
04-01-2013, 05:12 PM
Christopher Clark Spencer (born March 28, 1982) is an American football center for the Chicago Bears of the National Football League. He was selected with the 26th overall pick in the first round of the 2005 NFL Draft out of the University of Mississippi by the Seattle Seahawks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Spencer_(American_football)
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This is an interesting and a bit of a surprising signing ? Wonder if it's a vet minimum and if it might also mean Wade Smith is on borrowed time ?

Lurvinator11
04-01-2013, 05:16 PM
Christopher Clark Spencer (born March 28, 1982) is an American football center for the Chicago Bears of the National Football League. He was selected with the 26th overall pick in the first round of the 2005 NFL Draft out of the University of Mississippi by the Seattle Seahawks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Spencer_(American_football)
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This is an interesting and a bit of a surprising signing ? Wonder if it's a vet minimum and if it might also mean Wade Smith is on borrowed time ?

He was reporting that Walter and Spencer were signed by the titans.

He just quoted Schefter, so that's why he is there.

IDEXAN
04-01-2013, 10:06 PM
He was reporting that Walter and Spencer were signed by the titans.

He just quoted Schefter, so that's why he is there.
Wrong team by me, thanks for the correction.

htownfan32
04-02-2013, 07:47 AM
Now the Titans have the best blocker in the league :kitten:
CJ2K's back guys

Seņor Stan
04-02-2013, 08:00 AM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 12m
Titans announced they reached agreements on one-year deals with WR Kevin Walter and OL Chris Spencer.

Dang it! Now the Titans will know all the Texans audibles...wait...nevermind...

thunderkyss
04-02-2013, 09:24 AM
Dang it! Now the Titans will know all the Texans audibles...wait...nevermind...

They lost Jared Cook.
Going into free agency this offseason, tight end Jared Cook and the St. Louis Rams were an obvious match. Cook wanted to get out of Tennessee, and the Rams wanted a physically gifted tight end who could be a strong offensive threat down the field.
IF they use him in the slot, or as a psuedo TE, he'll be an excellent safety blanket for their young QB. But I'm sure, he will not be challenging Kenny Britt or Kendall Wright for playing time.

I also found this interesting.
Look at some of the best teams in the NFL these days: The Ravens, 49ers, Patriots, Falcons and Texans. These teams have a lot of similarities, but one of the most prevalent is that they all have a great tight end. Baltimore has Dennis Pitta, San Francisco has Vernon Davis, New England has Rob Gronkowski, Atlanta has Tony Gonzalez and Houston has Owen Daniels.

That was written March 2013 this year. I know it's just BleacherReport (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1566543-nfl-free-agency-why-signing-jared-cook-is-a-great-move-by-the-rams), but it's nice to know that someone still believes the Texans are among the best teams in the NFL.

ThaJokaa
04-02-2013, 09:28 AM
Its gonna be weird seeing him in a Titan Uni. I always liked KW

HOU-TEX
04-02-2013, 09:34 AM
They lost Jared Cook.

IF they use him in the slot, or as a psuedo TE, he'll be an excellent safety blanket for their young QB. But I'm sure, he will not be challenging Kenny Britt or Kendall Wright for playing time.


They signed Delanie Walker. Delanie's an excellent blocker and has very good hands. Walter will be nothing more than a #3 or just plain depth.

Maddict5
04-02-2013, 04:39 PM
They signed Delanie Walker. Delanie's an excellent blocker and has very good hands. Walter will be nothing more than a #3 or just plain depth.

well that's just not true but anyway....

Walker's four-year contract is worth $17.5 million with $8.6 million guaranteed. In 2012, Walker dropped 11 passes across 19 games, including the playoffs. He only had 26 catches. Walker's "catch rate" of 54.2 percent was third worst in the NFL among tight ends with at least 40 targets, behind only Kellen Davis and Tony Scheffler


http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42904/309/free-agency-update

personally ive been delighted with how the colts and titans have blown their wads on middling players this offseason

76Texan
04-02-2013, 04:59 PM
Looks like Walter signed for the veteran minimum of $910K.

Texans decide to go young, I imagine.

DBCooper
04-02-2013, 05:10 PM
Dang it! Now the Titans will know all the Texans audibles...wait...nevermind...

Lol

houstonspartan
04-02-2013, 06:15 PM
I've always liked Kevin Walter, so I wish him well. He didn't live up to his second contract with us, and we had to move forward without him, but, he always seemed like a cool dude.

(When we play the titans, though, I hope Jonathan Joseph kicks his ass...)

eriadoc
04-02-2013, 06:55 PM
Looks like Walter signed for the veteran minimum of $910K.

Texans decide to go young, I imagine.

Anyone really think whatever vet minimum WR the Texans sign will be better in this offense than Walter? I said it before, the problem with Walter was where he was playing and for how much, not that he was a member of the team. As a vet minimum guy playing an appropriate role, there's value there.

I've always liked Kevin Walter, so I wish him well. He didn't live up to his second contract with us, and we had to move forward without him, but, he always seemed like a cool dude.

(When we play the titans, though, I hope Jonathan Joseph kicks his ass...)

If he's doing well enough that they have to put JJo on him, then that's a helluva loss for the Texans.

76Texan
04-02-2013, 08:25 PM
Anyone really think whatever vet minimum WR the Texans sign will be better in this offense than Walter? I said it before, the problem with Walter was where he was playing and for how much, not that he was a member of the team. As a vet minimum guy playing an appropriate role, there's value there.



If he's doing well enough that they have to put JJo on him, then that's a helluva loss for the Texans.

I know.
It sure looks like that teams (or some team) just don't offer a vet minimum to their own FAs.

thunderkyss
04-02-2013, 08:32 PM
(When we play the titans, though, I hope Jonathan Joseph kicks his ass...)

More than likely we'll have Keo locked on him.

CretorFrigg
04-02-2013, 09:06 PM
The Titan fans are talking about how sweet it would be if Kevin Walter converted a long third and down against us on their message board.

:lol: lol @ the thought of Kevin Walter getting targeted.

Texan_Bill
04-02-2013, 09:08 PM
Looks like Walter signed for the veteran minimum of $910K.

Texans decide to go young, I imagine.

Freakin' slave wages!! :gun:

ObsiWan
04-02-2013, 10:08 PM
The Titan fans are talking about how sweet it would be if Kevin Walter converted a long third and down against us on their message board.

:lol: lol @ the thought of Kevin Walter getting targeted.
Didn't some of us have the same mindset regarding Jacoby Jones??

Stranger stuff has happened is all I'm pointing out.

Norg
04-02-2013, 10:57 PM
hes going to tell the titans everything he knows .....

rolyat93
04-03-2013, 01:33 AM
hes going to tell the titans everything he knows .....

He doesn't know anything that they don't already know.

Rey
04-03-2013, 09:04 AM
He doesn't know anything that they don't already know.

Surely you don't believe that. Kevin Walter has been in this offense for years. I'm pretty sure he knows some things about us that the Titans don't.

Doesn't mean it will be earth shattering and lead to them winning, but I'm almost positive Walter can tell them some things about this offense (and maybe even the defense) that they don't know.

TheIronDuke
04-03-2013, 11:42 AM
Surely you don't believe that. Kevin Walter has been in this offense for years. I'm pretty sure he knows some things about us that the Titans don't.

Doesn't mean it will be earth shattering and lead to them winning, but I'm almost positive Walter can tell them some things about this offense (and maybe even the defense) that they don't know.

Yeah well we've got Greg Jones now to tell us the ins-and-outs of Jacksonvi.....

never mind.

The Pencil Neck
04-03-2013, 01:04 PM
Shouldn't this get moved over to the NFL section?

Goatcheese
04-03-2013, 10:29 PM
That just seems so wrong. Signing with a division opponent is a great way to make former fans dislike you.

ArlingtonTexan
04-03-2013, 10:43 PM
Shouldn't this get moved over to the NFL section?

You are right

tru80texan
04-03-2013, 11:18 PM
That just seems so wrong. Signing with a division opponent is a great way to make former fans dislike you.

Walter being a Texan made me dislike him.

Walter is not a threat as a Titan & we will probably very rarely see him on the field because the Titans actually have 2 quality starting WR's...neither of which are Walter. Walter's best asset to the titans is divulging info about the Texans offense. The Texan's offense should hopefully have a little bit of a twist Walter hasn't seen...a #2 WR that can produce something other than a run block.:fingergun:

GP
04-04-2013, 12:25 PM
That just seems so wrong. Signing with a division opponent is a great way to make former fans dislike you.

That's almost a MILLION--in theory--for playing for the Titans and probably will get cut at some point...they're just using him for information because of his longevity in the system. A camp body, as well.

I figure whatever signing bonus they paid him is all he'll ever earn. They won't pay him the full $910,000. He'll never crack the opening week 53-man roster. Bud Adams and his demons are just using him and will throw him away, and even if K-Dub knows this...he still wants the signing bonus money. It's money. Right? Right.

K-Dub caught the playoff-clinching pass in the road game vs. Bengals 2 years ago...now he's counseling the Titans on how our offense works and what to look for. Awesome. LOL. Then again, it's not like you have to know a helluva' lot to shut down Gary Kubiak's offense. It's not that hard.

fiasco west
04-04-2013, 01:49 PM
Walter being a Texan made me dislike him.

Walter is not a threat as a Titan & we will probably very rarely see him on the field because the Titans actually have 2 quality starting WR's...neither of which are Walter. Walter's best asset to the titans is divulging info about the Texans offense. The Texan's offense should hopefully have a little bit of a twist Walter hasn't seen...a #2 WR that can produce something other than a run block.:fingergun:

Are we talking about Britt being one of those WRs?

If so he's probably suspended for something and if not will be before week 5.

Goatcheese
04-05-2013, 10:20 PM
Then again, it's not like you have to know a helluva' lot to shut down Gary Kubiak's offense. It's not that hard.

Is that why Kubiak's offense is at the top of the league pretty much every year for the last decade?

2012 7
2011 13 (was much higher before Schaub went down)
2010 3
2009 4
2008 3
2007 14
2006 28
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2005 5
2004 5
2003 7
2002 3

HJam72
04-06-2013, 09:14 AM
Is that why Kubiak's offense is at the top of the league pretty much every year for the last decade?

2012 7
2011 13 (was much higher before Schaub went down)
2010 3
2009 4
2008 3
2007 14
2006 28
-------
2005 5
2004 5
2003 7
2002 3

Um, we had a top 10 Offense our first 4 years???.....and the 5th best in 2005 when we went 2-14??????? :mcnugget:

GP
04-06-2013, 09:40 AM
Is that why Kubiak's offense is at the top of the league pretty much every year for the last decade?

2012 7
2011 13 (was much higher before Schaub went down)
2010 3
2009 4
2008 3
2007 14
2006 28
-------
2005 5
2004 5
2003 7
2002 3

Ah, the old STATS GAME! LMAO!

Pathetic.

I know how to shut down Gary Kubiak's offense. All you have to do is hold the Texans to only 1 or 2 yards on first down...the rest takes care of itself due to Gary's predictable playcalling on 2nd and 3rd down in those long yardage situations.

Gary crumbles every time he thinks his QB might be put in a tough position, so he dials back the playcalling to ensure that Wade's defense gets a chance to give him the ball back.

I've never seen a HC bank so much of his decision making upon whether 2nd and 3rd downs are manageable or not. He's become increasingly conservative because he now has a top-flight defense to cover for him.

More stats, though. Please feed me more stats. I need to see all of the accomplishments of our offense and its QB. Soothes the soul in times of depression, allows me to not focus on how his stats mean jack **** in games where our opponent makes us break before we make them break.

Playoffs
04-06-2013, 10:18 AM
Um, we had a top 10 Offense our first 4 years???.....and the 5th best in 2005 when we went 2-14??????? :mcnugget:Kubiak offenses, not necessarily Texans offenses.


Looks like Walter signed for the veteran minimum of $910K.

Texans decide to go young, I imagine.Who's "Young"? Is he on our roster, or we planning on drafting him and him producing out of the box? :truck:

The Pencil Neck
04-06-2013, 11:34 AM
Um, we had a top 10 Offense our first 4 years???.....and the 5th best in 2005 when we went 2-14??????? :mcnugget:

Notice the line. He's showing KUBIAK's offenses ratings. Those first 4 were from Denver.

infantrycak
04-06-2013, 02:20 PM
Ah, the old STATS GAME! LMAO!

Pathetic.

I know how to shut down Gary Kubiak's offense. All you have to do is hold the Texans to only 1 or 2 yards on first down...the rest takes care of itself due to Gary's predictable playcalling on 2nd and 3rd down in those long yardage situations.

More stats, though. Please feed me more stats. I need to see all of the accomplishments of our offense and its QB. Soothes the soul in times of depression, allows me to not focus on how his stats mean jack **** in games where our opponent makes us break before we make them break.

Actually I will give you one more stat - 13 wins. Now since you are such a freaking football genius and it would be so easy for you to shut down Kubiak you have 13 teams to send resumes. I am sure there will be a bidding war for you astute observations.

bobbeaux
04-06-2013, 08:11 PM
Surely you don't believe that. Kevin Walter has been in this offense for years. I'm pretty sure he knows some things about us that the Titans don't.

Doesn't mean it will be earth shattering and lead to them winning, but I'm almost positive Walter can tell them some things about this offense (and maybe even the defense) that they don't know.

that's ok . . . we can pickup nate washington for the minimum after they drop him in june or sooner . . . ;)

thunderkyss
04-07-2013, 03:41 PM
Actually I will give you one more stat - 13 wins. Now since you are such a freaking football genius and it would be so easy for you to shut down Kubiak you have 13 teams to send resumes. I am sure there will be a bidding war for you astute observations.

More stats.

You can't win an "all stats suck" argument using stats. You've got to use their eyeballs.... not yours, theirs. If they said Kubiak's offense sucks, it's predictable, & they can shut it down (it's easy, just stop them on 1st & 2nd down...... easy)... then that's all you're allowed to use in your rebuttal.

13 wins... sheesh. 13 is quickly becoming the new 10.

GP
04-07-2013, 03:47 PM
Stats. Stats? We talkin' 'bout STATS?

LOL. :smiliepalm:

Oh man, what we do in order to make us feel good about our team. It's like Texans football fans live in a bubble...we have all these stats to admire.

Let's show people our Stats Championship Rings. Get 'em fitted, boys, we got stats!

My goodness, we rank right up there with the best of 'em!

:truck: :bubbles:

The Pencil Neck
04-07-2013, 11:37 PM
Stats. Stats? We talkin' 'bout STATS?

LOL. :smiliepalm:

Oh man, what we do in order to make us feel good about our team. It's like Texans football fans live in a bubble...we have all these stats to admire.

Let's show people our Stats Championship Rings. Get 'em fitted, boys, we got stats!

My goodness, we rank right up there with the best of 'em!

:truck: :bubbles:

Here's some stats: 2 consecutive years in the playoffs, 2 consecutive years winning out division, two consecutive years with a victory in the playoffs.

But. Yeah. You're right. Let's use our eyeballs.

We suck. Fire all of them. Obviously, the entire league has figured out how to stop our offense and how to shred our defense.

Time to clean house and start from scratch. Let's get a new owner who's not so damned cheap, too.

A few years ago, I said that it wouldn't matter if we went to the playoffs or if we won games, there are some people on this board who are NOT going to be happy. From where I'm sitting, that's exactly what this looks like. There are some guys who are going to be moaning and griping even if we win a few Super Bowls.

Rey
04-08-2013, 12:39 AM
Kubiak's legacy hasn't been written. But I do wish people would stop throwing around the back to back play offs and 12 wins like that's some sort of major accomplishment. It's makes me cringe a bit. It's a good thing, but it's not hire a sky writer and alert the pope worthy. Kubiak himself said that he's lucky to still have a job a couple seasons ago. So it's not outrageous when fans question his overall effectiveness.

Quite a few coaches have done more than kubiak and have been thought less of. Dennis Green had culpepper putting up great numbers for years in minny. They won faster and more than we have here and no one thinks green is some great coach or that culpepper was some untouchable qb.

Norv turner, Jim mora, Jim haslett...there's been a bunch of coaches that have won games...won play off games...

But the stats their teams put up and the wins they got didn't mean that their shortcomings would be ignored.

I don't care for kubiak for a few reasons. But I'm not going to say he absolutely can't win a superbowl. He's still kind of young as a head coach. Hopefully he's learning.

But what he's done so far is not some monster resume to the point where he's above criticism and built so much goodwill that it's blasphemy to talk about him maybe not being good enough.

infantrycak
04-08-2013, 02:20 AM
Quite a few coaches have done more than kubiak and have been thought less of. Dennis Green had culpepper putting up great numbers for years in minny. They won faster and more than we have here and no one thinks green is some great coach or that culpepper was some untouchable qb.

Can we stay in reality world? Green had Culpepper for a season and a half and was fired. Prior to Culpepper being drafted they were 15-1 and in the playoffs three years in a row. Heck even if you want to go back 8 years prior to Culpepper, when Green got hired they were an 8-8 team who had been to the playoffs 3 of the last 5 years. Bad comparison.

Oh and by the way prior to getting his knee obliterated Culpepper was considered for league MVP so I mean if that is your way of trying to put Schaub into a mediocre QB conversation, I am just going to say not a very good argument. Culpepper was in the elite conversation until that injury.

Rey
04-08-2013, 07:23 AM
Can we stay in reality world? Green had Culpepper for a season and a half and was fired. Prior to Culpepper being drafted they were 15-1 and in the playoffs three years in a row. Heck even if you want to go back 8 years prior to Culpepper, when Green got hired they were an 8-8 team who had been to the playoffs 3 of the last 5 years. Bad comparison.

Oh and by the way prior to getting his knee obliterated Culpepper was considered for league MVP so I mean if that is your way of trying to put Schaub into a mediocre QB conversation, I am just going to say not a very good argument. Culpepper was in the elite conversation until that injury.

Looks like you completely missed the point which is nothing new.

My point is about their resumes/accomplishments and how they are thought of. Kubiak has not done as much as green has and green is not thought of as some great coach.

Two winning seasons and two first round play off victories does not put kubiak above criticism. Schaub putting up nice numbers does not mean that he's above criticism. And you know who else has had a bunch of injuries? Schaub. You know who had a pretty bad injury the year before? Schaub.

You can throw out all these baby accomplishments of Schaub and kubiak, but there have been people that have accomplished more and thought less of. Comparatively speaking they've not really done much. So it's ridiculous to act like OMG, I can't believe you'd speak negatively against kubiak or Schaub. They've not earned that in the slightest.

The Pencil Neck
04-08-2013, 10:19 AM
Kubiak's legacy hasn't been written. But I do wish people would stop throwing around the back to back play offs and 12 wins like that's some sort of major accomplishment.

The whole point of those things (winning playoff games in back to back seasons, etc.) isn't that it means that Kubiak is the next Vince Lombardi, it's that we're in a pretty good position. We've got a good team, a team that COULD continue to win for several years to come. Smithiakillips has to be smart about re-loading and re-tooling and this team could develop into a dynasty.

The thing about being a winning team that's a strong contender for the Super Bowl is enjoying it. The way people are moaning and whining around here makes it sound like we've finished 9-7 the past two years and JUST missed the playoffs.

I don't think some people here are dealing with success very well. And although we haven't won a SB or appeared in a conference championship, yet, this team HAS been successful the past two years.

Rey
04-08-2013, 10:28 AM
The whole point of those things (winning playoff games in back to back seasons, etc.) isn't that it means that Kubiak is the next Vince Lombardi, it's that we're in a pretty good position. We've got a good team, a team that COULD continue to win for several years to come. Smithiakillips has to be smart about re-loading and re-tooling and this team could develop into a dynasty.

That's a matter of perspective PN.

I am not saying that this team is about to take of like a rocketship or sink in the ocean like a boulder.

What I'm saying is that you can't really blame people if they don't believe one or the other. There have been some positive things that have happened and there have been some negative aspects that should be weighed in as well.

That was my point about Kubiak (nor schaub for that matter) having completed their story. None of us "know" what's coming next....Yeah we could do great things...there's also reason to believe we could fail as well...

We can only speculate based on what we see and observe whether it be stone cold stats....Or just the feeling you get watching the team operate. All I'm saying is that what the team has accomplished is not something that should be considered blasphemy if you don't believe in the current regime/quaterback/gm/owner/defensive coordinator ect....

infantrycak
04-08-2013, 12:45 PM
You can throw out all these baby accomplishments of Schaub and kubiak, but there have been people that have accomplished more and thought less of. Comparatively speaking they've not really done much. So it's ridiculous to act like OMG, I can't believe you'd speak negatively against kubiak or Schaub. They've not earned that in the slightest.

I didn't mention either Schaub or Kubiak. I disagree with your point on Green and Culpepper as they were much more highly touted prior to Culpepper's injury. I don't see these mythical MB posters who have Schaub or Kubiak on an untouchable pedestal.

Playoffs
07-24-2013, 02:53 PM
Hoping KW recovers okay...


Kevin Walter has back surgery could miss all of camp (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Kevin-Walter-has-back-surgery-could-miss-all-of-camp.html)

Walter's injury is the most serious as he underwent disc surgery on his back that had sidelined him for much of the off-season work. Coach Mike Munchak said his recovery could take between four and six weeks.

"He’s probably going to be out a little longer than Delanie, if it’s four weeks, five weeks or six weeks. It just depends on how his rehab goes,” Munchak said.

thunderkyss
07-24-2013, 05:40 PM
Whoa..... didn't know he was having back issues?

I feel bad for dogging him so much.

CloakNNNdagger
07-24-2013, 06:19 PM
Don't be surprised if he is released by the Titans after being thoroughly "debriefed" re. Schaub's and Kubiak's tendencies/secrets. A slot receiver is one of the worse positions to play if you have had lumbar disc problems or are recovering from disc surgery........minimally invasive or not.

Playoffs
08-27-2013, 02:09 PM
Jim Wyatt ‏@jwyattsports
The #Titans also officially placing WR Kevin Walter on PUP

badboy
08-28-2013, 02:55 PM
Glad he gets a paycheck, I was not originally happy to see Texans sign him but he won me over as a good player. Kept him too long imo but hope he does well and more importantly gets well.

thunderkyss
08-28-2013, 04:19 PM
Glad he gets a paycheck, I was not originally happy to see Texans sign him but he won me over as a good player. Kept him too long imo but hope he does well and more importantly gets well.

I don't know that we kept him too long. We paid him too much & ignored upgrading the position too long. He'd be a fine #3/Slot flex TE type receiver.

When they played with the Colts, it looked (to me) like Dallas Clark & Brandon Stokely were practically interchangeable. If Stokely was unavailable, they'd split Clarke out more often. If Clarke wasn't able to play, Stokely would slide in more often.

That's the way I thought we should use Walter & OD. OD isn't worth a crap for run blocking & Walter can't stretch the field (unlike Stokley)...

But if we weren't asking him to step up when Andre is out of the game, we need another #2.

Norg
08-28-2013, 09:45 PM
Can players get CUt from the PUP list ..???? u think the titans will CUt walter /\...?????