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HOU-TEX
02-27-2013, 10:58 AM
To the Chiefs. If the 9ers got the #1 pick the Chiefs took it up the poop chute. My guess would be the #33. I don't think he's worth but a 3 or 4.

I reckon this says a lot about the talent at QB in this draft. lol

Jay Glazer‏@JayGlazer

49ers have completed a trade with the Chiefs for Alex Smith, tho can't be official til March 12. Chiefs really made a commitment to Smith

Jay Glazer‏@JayGlazer

Deal has been agreed upon between Chiefs and 49ers. Compensation unclear but I'm told again Chiefs have made a clear commitment to Smith.

Seņor Stan
02-27-2013, 11:02 AM
I think at best it is #33...

The Chiefs had a pretty good roster aside from QB.

badboy
02-27-2013, 11:04 AM
Agreed, 33 is good trade not #1. What do they use first for? i think they can trade down and get a solid OT like Johnson and couple more picks.

eriadoc
02-27-2013, 11:09 AM
Chiefs fans: Oh no! We suck again! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4jGSvxCRp4)

TexanSam
02-27-2013, 11:10 AM
I think it's a solid trade for the Chiefs. Alex Smith isn't going to be confused for a star, but he's good enough for the time being. They may even compete for a wild card spot.

Dutchrudder
02-27-2013, 11:12 AM
Funny, the Chiefs traded the #34 pick in 2009 for Matt Cassel. Any reason to believe this one will turn out differently?

eriadoc
02-27-2013, 11:14 AM
Funny, the Chiefs traded the #34 pick in 2009 for Matt Cassel. Any reason to believe this one will turn out differently?

That's what I was thinking when I made the post above. Hell, I think most people had higher hopes at the time for Cassell than they do now for Alex Smith.

HOU-TEX
02-27-2013, 11:21 AM
There are reports saying it might be a deal like Schaub. Two #2's

Jim Trotter‏@SI_JimTrotter

the reported compensation for alex smith is a second-rounder this year and a similar pick next year.

HOU-TEX
02-27-2013, 11:22 AM
Check that....a conditional mid-round pick next year

Adam Schefter‏@AdamSchefter

Chiefs will trade second-round pick this year - the top pick in second round - as well as another conditional mid-round pick in 2014.

Playoffs
02-27-2013, 11:28 AM
Chiefs blinked.

I think they could have paid less had they held out. Good deal for 49ers, who have a stockpile of picks.

Scooter
02-27-2013, 11:28 AM
looks like a good signing for the chiefs to me. they've got an excess of talent and just need someone at quarterback to make good decisions. smith isnt going to light it up, but he's going to give their offense the consistency and production that's been lacking. i'm betting they make a major turnaround next season.

now that quarterback is taken care of, i expect them to go ahead and take the offensive tackle with their first pick, re-sign bowe, and look forward to a complete offense next season.

HOU-TEX
02-27-2013, 11:51 AM
The 9ers now have 12 picks in this years draft. They're likely to get around 3 comp picks. Crazy!

thunderkyss
02-27-2013, 12:20 PM
looks like a good signing for the chiefs to me. they've got an excess of talent and just need someone at quarterback to make good decisions. smith isnt going to light it up, but he's going to give their offense the consistency and production that's been lacking. i'm betting they make a major turnaround next season.


Hopefully Alex Smith understands there is a reason the Chiefs traded for him, and not focus on why the 49ers traded him. He needs to be that guy who manages the team, minimizes mistakes, & not take chances until he has to.

If he tries to be someone he's not, it's not going to work well for him. If he can utilize the talent they've got on offense, he can, & KC can, see some success.

The 9ers now have 12 picks in this years draft. They're likely to get around 3 comp picks. Crazy!

Their F.O. has been doing a great job for a good while now.

Playoffs
02-27-2013, 01:05 PM
Dwayne Bowe -- if resigned -- and Jonathan Baldwin, added O-line help with #1 pick, with Jamal Charles ..... instant offense.

Without Bowe, less so.

I can see Reid taking this team to 8-8 in his first year.

SheTexan
02-27-2013, 01:31 PM
Funny, the Chiefs traded the #34 pick in 2009 for Matt Cassel. Any reason to believe this one will turn out differently?

Yep! Andy Reid!

kiwitexansfan
02-27-2013, 01:43 PM
Same price as Schaub for a similair level of talent (slightly worse maybe).

Don't think many of us complain about that price.

greekdbag
02-27-2013, 01:44 PM
Yep! Andy Reid!

Did they overpay? Yes, but Smith had a 90.7 qb rating in 2011 and a 104.1 qb rating in 2012. Maybe this guy is underrated a bit?

greekdbag
02-27-2013, 01:45 PM
Same price as Schaub for a similair level of talent (slightly worse maybe).

Don't think many of us complain about that price.

And this guy is athletic.

eriadoc
02-27-2013, 01:57 PM
Same price as Schaub for a similair level of talent (slightly worse maybe).

Don't think many of us complain about that price.

Meh, not really true. Alex Smith is roughly equivalent to what Matt Schaub has turned out to be. But back in '07, people had high hopes for Schaub. Now, he is what he is, and so is Alex Smith. Paying two 2nd rounders for a guy you hope has franchise QB potential is acceptable. Paying that for a guy that's been in the league as long as Alex Smith, has been labeled a bust like Smith, and is as old as Smith, is excessive, IMO.

If you knew this was what you'd get out of Schaub back in '07, you wouldn't make that trade.

Playoffs
02-27-2013, 02:14 PM
Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
Basically, Andy Reid chose Alex Smith/Luke Joeckel combo over Geno Smith/Kyle Long
Or Fisher/Smith.

greekdbag
02-27-2013, 02:19 PM
Meh, not really true. Alex Smith is roughly equivalent to what Matt Schaub has turned out to be. But back in '07, people had high hopes for Schaub. Now, he is what he is, and so is Alex Smith. Paying two 2nd rounders for a guy you hope has franchise QB potential is acceptable. Paying that for a guy that's been in the league as long as Alex Smith, has been labeled a bust like Smith, and is as old as Smith, is excessive, IMO.

If you knew this was what you'd get out of Schaub back in '07, you wouldn't make that trade.

It's not two second rounders. It's a 2013 second and a 2014 conditional mid-round pick. I agree that it is an overpay. But Smith has been really good the past two years and is still just 28 years old. Also, two second rounders for a qb who gives you several productive years with qb ratings of 87, 92.7, 98.6, 92, 96.8, and 90.7 is a trade I think many gm's would not take back. Schaub has been a good quarterback. People just love to **** all over the guy because he's not as good after the lisfranc injury.

Corrosion
02-27-2013, 02:34 PM
The Chiefs probably could have got him for nothing had they waited .... SF may have just cut him.


SF with a lot of talent and a load of picks after a superbowl appearance .... could get significantly better.

greekdbag
02-27-2013, 02:45 PM
The Chiefs probably could have got him for nothing had they waited .... SF may have just cut him.


SF with a lot of talent and a load of picks after a superbowl appearance .... could get significantly better.

Why would they have just cut him? And there had to be a few teams after him for them to get what they got.

Dutchrudder
02-27-2013, 03:22 PM
This is now the fourth time the Chiefs have traded for a 49ers QB. The last three were Elvis Grbac, Steve Bono and Joe Montana. Each one of these guys led the Chiefs to win their division within a year of being traded. I wonder if Smith can keep up the trend.

dream_team
02-27-2013, 04:22 PM
This is mind boggling. Why overpay for a QB that isn't as good as your current QB?

I'm not an Alex Smith believer obviously. He could be successful if the Chiefs have a top 3 defense, and they simply ask him to hand the ball off and don't screw up.

thunderkyss
02-27-2013, 05:07 PM
I can see Reid taking this team to 8-8 in his first year.

How do you figure?

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Vance87
02-27-2013, 05:08 PM
Wow. Just....wow.

thunderkyss
02-27-2013, 05:10 PM
Schaub has been a good quarterback. People just love to **** all over the guy because he's not as good after the lisfranc injury.

I still don't understand this. Look at the stats & he's the same guy he's always been. Just so happens he took a dump at the end of the 2012 season where he normally works it in some time in the middle of the season where we normally have our three game slides.

Lucky
02-27-2013, 05:15 PM
The Chiefs probably could have got him for nothing had they waited .... SF may have just cut him.
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The Niners didn't need to move Smith. This could backfire, if Kaepernick misses any significant time in 2013. And running QBs do have a tendency to get injured.

I still don't understand this. Look at the stats & he's the same guy he's always been. Just so happens he took a dump at the end of the 2012 season where he normally works it in some time in the middle of the season where we normally have our three game slides.
Let's not turn this into a Schaub thread. I do want to say that I don't go by stats alone. Schaub looked different at the end of the season. And I trust my eyes more than a stat sheet.

Wolf
02-27-2013, 05:23 PM
This is now the fourth time the Chiefs have traded for a 49ers QB. The last three were Elvis Grbac, Steve Bono and Joe Montana. Each one of these guys led the Chiefs to win their division within a year of being traded. I wonder if Smith can keep up the trend.

And 1983 streak is still alive

Drafted Todd Blackledge in that year. And last player that was drafted by the chiefs and started for them

ChampionTexan
02-27-2013, 06:19 PM
And 1983 streak is still alive

Drafted Todd Blackledge in that year. And last player that was drafted by the chiefs and started for them

I think that stats off by a little - but not much. Brodie Croyle was drafted by them in the third round of the '06 draft, and between '06 and '10 started 10 games. I do believe he's the only Chiefs draft choice to start a game at QB since Blackledge though.

The Chiefs have only drafted 5 QB's in the last 20 years, and Croyle was the only one they took higher than the 4th round.

Norg
02-27-2013, 06:32 PM
does this mean jags draft Geno smith ,,\\..????

Playoffs
02-27-2013, 07:04 PM
How do you figure?

There's a lot of talent on the Chiefs, more than reflected in '12 record. Like I said, they need to re-sign Bowe. We'll see...

CretorFrigg
02-27-2013, 08:03 PM
You can put Tom Brady on that Chief's team. It's still not going to be a .500 team.

Texan_Bill
02-27-2013, 08:29 PM
The Chiefs probably could have got him for nothing had they waited .... SF may have just cut him.

SF with a lot of talent and a load of picks after a superbowl appearance .... could get significantly better.

Exactly, Rob...

Why would they have just cut him? And there had to be a few teams after him for them to get what they got.

Oh wait, maybe the Texans could've got something for HWSNBN, when everyone in the league knew he was going to be cut from the Texans?

I'm not sure I get your point and/or question.

SheTexan
02-27-2013, 09:01 PM
Did they overpay? Yes, but Smith had a 90.7 qb rating in 2011 and a 104.1 qb rating in 2012. Maybe this guy is underrated a bit?

Not sure what you're getting at, but, my opinion is that Andy Reid will make Smith a better QB than Cassel. Did they overpay? Probably, happens all the time in the NFL. It just seems Andy Reid sees something in ASmith that fits what he plans to do. JMO!

I also think the Niners made a big mistake, one that will come back to bite them in the posterior! Maybe they plan to pick up someone in FA, or someone who gets the boot, like Sanchez or Tebow. Who knows. Time will tell, but, I don't think the Niners will repeat the run they had in 2012. JMO also!!

Goldensilence
02-27-2013, 09:23 PM
Chiefs overpaid for Smith, I think had they waited longer they could've gotten a better deal for Alex. I see him more as a stop gap solution, they could've probably gotten a better long term project at 33.

I think for the Niners you risk gambling Kapernick misses time because well...it's going to be #33 on a team loaded with talent. I don't see how you don't make that trade if you're SF. It's not like Smith's skillset is irreplaceable. They can get a journeyman QB.

Brandon420tx
02-27-2013, 09:42 PM
Really?? People think Cassel is a good QB? I didn't even think he was a good QB when the chiefs traded for him. I consider this a step up from a bad QB to at least a good QB.

dalemurphy
02-27-2013, 09:45 PM
Chiefs overpaid for Smith, I think had they waited longer they could've gotten a better deal for Alex. I see him more as a stop gap solution, they could've probably gotten a better long term project at 33.

I think for the Niners you risk gambling Kapernick misses time because well...it's going to be #33 on a team loaded with talent. I don't see how you don't make that trade if you're SF. It's not like Smith's skillset is irreplaceable. They can get a journeyman QB.

I think the Chiefs made a great deal. Alex Smith is a good quarterback. He can make all the throws. He is athletic. He makes good decisions. He's healthy and young. There isn't anything not to like. He has not produced a great body of work. However, I think that is less a result of his ability and more his situation. In two years with a good coaching staff and team in place, he was a winner and effective. Teams can want an elite QB.. It doesn't mean they are available.

I except Smith to have a very good career. Not only is he a talented QB who has played well the past few seasons... Now he has a chip on his shoulder. Chiefs are now the team to beat in the West for the next 4 or 5 years. If Andy Reid isn't burned out, I expect Smith to rank among the top 10 QBs in the NFL yearly. If I were a Chief's fan, I would be overjoyed right now!

greekdbag
02-27-2013, 09:51 PM
Exactly, Rob...



Oh wait, maybe the Texans could've got something for HWSNBN, when everyone in the league knew he was going to be cut from the Texans?

I'm not sure I get your point and/or question.

ummmm HUH? The 49ers have never said they were going to cut Smith. Why would they have cut him? He'd be a good backup who is not tremendously overpaid and good insurance for a running qb like Kaepernick who could get injured on any play he takes off on. The only reason they traded him is because there were multiple teams after him such as the chiefs, jags, and cardinals and they were able to turn him into a 2nd rounder plus change. Carr was a terrible qb who had worn out his welcome in Houston, was overpaid, and had minimal trade value even before Schaub came on board. Alex Smith does not equal David Carr.

greekdbag
02-27-2013, 09:53 PM
Not sure what you're getting at, but, my opinion is that Andy Reid will make Smith a better QB than Cassel. Did they overpay? Probably, happens all the time in the NFL. It just seems Andy Reid sees something in ASmith that fits what he plans to do. JMO!

I also think the Niners made a big mistake, one that will come back to bite them in the posterior! Maybe they plan to pick up someone in FA, or someone who gets the boot, like Sanchez or Tebow. Who knows. Time will tell, but, I don't think the Niners will repeat the run they had in 2012. JMO also!!

I'm saying that Smith is a good qb and seems to be underrated by many.

infantrycak
02-27-2013, 09:54 PM
Why would they have cut him?

There were $8.5 mil reasons to offload him.

greekdbag
02-27-2013, 10:16 PM
There were $8.5 mil reasons to offload him.

It was never going to happen. He had legitimate trade value that Carr did not.

steelbtexan
02-27-2013, 10:40 PM
I think the Chiefs made a great deal. Alex Smith is a good quarterback. He can make all the throws. He is athletic. He makes good decisions. He's healthy and young. There isn't anything not to like. He has not produced a great body of work. However, I think that is less a result of his ability and more his situation. In two years with a good coaching staff and team in place, he was a winner and effective. Teams can want an elite QB.. It doesn't mean they are available.

I except Smith to have a very good career. Not only is he a talented QB who has played well the past few seasons... Now he has a chip on his shoulder. Chiefs are now the team to beat in the West for the next 4 or 5 years. If Andy Reid isn't burned out, I expect Smith to rank among the top 10 QBs in the NFL yearly. If I were a Chief's fan, I would be overjoyed right now!

He will be good and improve under Reid. I dont know about top 10, but this will be Smith's chance to throw the ball 30-35 times a game in Reid's offense. I'm looking forward to seeing how he does.

chicagotexan2
02-27-2013, 11:51 PM
Wow that's a steep price for a guy that would likely have been cut. I think the chiefs overpaid but if he turns out to be good then good for kc. I don't put it all on smith for being inconsistent since he's had way too many offensive coordinators prior to the harbaugh era.

Vinny
02-28-2013, 01:40 AM
Sounds about right to me. It's a market driven price. If you don't have a QB you will over pay for a guy who is an upgrade to what you have. Smith can play in a wco. Reid will have tons of 3-5 step drops and the Chiefs have a good running game. He doesn't need a big arm in this system and is athletic enough to scamper when needed. When you can't get ideal, you get real. I think they figured they could stay with the status quo and have another year of bad quarterbacking, bring in a rookie and take another year of beatings and rookie mistakes, or trade for Smith and quite possibly contend for the playoffs next season. The Chiefs have quite a bit of talent...they just need a QB. Smith is their Schaub.

ThaShark316
02-28-2013, 01:44 AM
Chiefs lost HARD here.

In no way do you trade a 2nd for this dude. I couldn't do it. Seems like a massive reach for a quick fix that AIN'T about to happen. They are about to win the West? Get a wild card? "Oh, we got a vet, so we won't lose more than 9 games!" Congrats, Kansas City.

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thunderkyss
02-28-2013, 11:13 AM
Chiefs overpaid for Smith, I think had they waited longer they could've gotten a better deal for Alex. I see him more as a stop gap solution, they could've probably gotten a better long term project at 33.

I think for the Niners you risk gambling Kapernick misses time because well...it's going to be #33 on a team loaded with talent. I don't see how you don't make that trade if you're SF. It's not like Smith's skillset is irreplaceable. They can get a journeyman QB.

I have to imagine there were other teams interested in Alex Smith. We may never know it, but I'm sure the Chiefs have their own guys sitting around thinking about what's available at 33 compared to the value of an Alex Smith.

I honestly don't see a whole lot of difference between KC & the Houston Texans. They look like they've got all the pieces needed to be a winning club, but they've underachieved for one reason or another.

I think it will be very interesting to see what happens there after changing QB & HC & GM again.

htownfan32
02-28-2013, 01:52 PM
Should've have looked to see if the 'Hawks were willing to shop Matt Flynn. Flynn's got more upside than Alex Smith. Conversely, with Smith, at least you know what you're paying for.

Porky
02-28-2013, 02:13 PM
I'm sort of in the Vinny camp here. I think if anything, the Chiefs got the better end of the deal in terms of value.

Starting quality QB's don't grow on trees. They have a certain value. I think the Chiefs ultimately are declared the victors in this trade.

I also don't get the AS hate in here. Sure, he isn't Tom Brady. Name a QB that is readily available via any method that is better today than Alex Smith is?

He has actually made me a believer and I think Reid has his starter for the next 5-8 yrs and he can win with him. Like Schaub, he is a piece not a franchise QB. But all in all, I like this and the Chiefs just became a contender in my eyes.