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steelbtexan
02-26-2013, 07:06 PM
Rd.1 justin Hunter Wr Tenn, 6'4 196Lbs 4.44 - Hunter is a tall fast difference maker who has A.J. Green type ability, the only reason he's available is he played last yr while recovering from a torn ACL. He should be even better in 2013. He has the body type to put on another 10 Lbs without losing speed/quickness. I would've picked Da'Rick Rodgers but BoB would never allow that. LOL

Rd.2 Brandon Williams DT Southern Missouri, 6'1 335 Lbs, 5.36- Williams is a big strong mountain of a man. Great character doesn't take many plays off. He immediately becomes the best run stopper since Seth Payne. Watt/Williams/A.Smith = strong run defense without having to play 8 in the box.

Rd.3 Reid Fragel OT Ohio St. 6'8 308 Lbs 5.14 33 in arms. Big, mobile, tough OT with great movement skills, 33, 225 reps were the most at the Combine for an OT. Fragel is a converted TE who has much room to improve, but the skills are defintely there. He reminds me of a better Winston.

Rd.3 A.J. Klien ILB Iowa St. 6'2 250 4.66. This guy makes plays all over the field. He's very good in coverage, a smart player with great instincts, perfect compliment to Cushing, defintely an upgrade over James.

Rd.4 Kenny Stills WR Okla 6'0 194 Lbs 4.38, Stills is a fast productive WR with good hands. If you like Broyles you should like Stills. He provides more competition among the Texans WR corps, that cant be a bad thing.

Rd.5 Cooper Taylor SS Richmond 6'4 227 4.57, Taylor was a 2nd team all ACC before transfering to Richmond. He is a big guy who has the ability to cover TE's and also is good against the run in the nickle

Rd.6 Jake Knott ILB/OLB Iowa St. 6'2 243 4.68, Knott was named 1st team Big 12 despite suffering a season ending shoulder injury at the begining of December. He and Klien helped form the best LB duo in the country. IMHO They were all over the field making plays against both the pass and the run. Knotts football IQ is off the charts. He and Klien should fit in well with Wades model of drafting intense football players, that football comes 1st for them. If Knott recovers and does well at his pro day he will probably be drafted in the late 4th early 5th. If I were the Texans I would pick him then if I had too. He's that good.

Rd.6 Levine Toilolo TE Stanford 6'8 260 4.86, Toilolo is a great blocking TE who provides a huge target in the red zone. He's got good hands and provides size for blocking that the Texans severely missed when Dreesen left in FA last yr. Think of Toilolo as Dreesens replacement. He disappointed at the Combine running a slow 40. Although his 17 reps were probably due to having the longest arms of any TE. 34.5 in

Rd.6 John Boyett SS Oregon 5'10 4.64, Boyett would've been a high draft pick but has suffered torn aCL's on both knees. He may or may not make it back, but if he does this guy is a DB who is allways making plays and is around the ball. He will be a great ST guy. He's well worth the risk in the 6th rd. IMHO

Rd.7 Blaize Foltz TE TCU 6'3 329 5.23, Although Foltz doesn't have ideal speed for the ZBS, he's a big guy who takes no crap. He will do whatever it takes to beat his man. Reminds me of Briesel.

All of these guys (Excluding Hunter) should help improve the ST's.

Feedback please

mussop
02-26-2013, 07:23 PM
Finally someone has Kenny stills. I really like him for this offense. I said he reminds me of the guy from Rice the other day. I meant the guy from Baylor (wright?) that Tennessee drafted. Why the hell can't I remember his name?

Anyway good draft but I'm going heavy d upfront and adding WR's and OL mid to late.

badboy
02-26-2013, 07:30 PM
Finally someone has Kenny stills. I really like him for this offense. I said he reminds me of the guy from Rice the other day. I meant the guy from Baylor (wright?) that Tennessee drafted. Why the hell can't I remember his name?

Anyway good draft but I'm going heavy d upfront and adding WR's and OL mid to late.You are thinking of Kendall Wright.

TexansSeminole
02-26-2013, 08:56 PM
I haven't seen alot of Kenny Stills but remember being impressed in 2011 (2010 maybe) during the OU vs FSU game. He killed FSU.

Wolf6151
02-27-2013, 01:31 AM
JMO:

1. Hunter, he's risky here but sometimes you've got to swing for the homerun. He's got alot to learn but has great potential. Love this pick.
2. B. Williams, another risky pick who will probably take at least 1-2 yrs. to become the player we want but he's got the tools and potential. Another good pick.
3. Fragel, I'm not familiar with the player but I like the position chosen and will trust you on the talent and potential of the player.
3b. Klein, I really like this guy and mocked him in the 4th about 3 months ago. He fits exactly what we need in an ILB. Great pick.
4. Stills, he and Hunter makes our biggest team weakness into a strength. Great pick.
5. Taylor, I'm not familiar with the player but I really like the idea of a very tall Safety.
6. Knott, both of the Iowa St. guys? Great idea, they both fit our team and needs. Good pick.
6b. Toilolo, I like Michael Williams here but as long as Toilolo can block I love the fact that we finally get a really tall TE instead of all these undersized guys we keep going after. Very good pick.
6c. Boyett, the first pick that I don't agree with. To many injuries and with Taylor in the 5th this pick doesn't make much sense. I'd rather see a Punter here, younger, better, and cheaper than Jones. Not so good pick.
7. Foltz, isn't a TE. I like this pick if still available, I think he'd be some very good developmental depth at OG and had him in several mocks about 5 months ago. Good pick.

Overall I'd be thrilled with this draft, except 6c, give me a Punter there.

beerlover
02-27-2013, 02:31 AM
Rd.1 justin Hunter Wr Tenn, 6'4 196Lbs 4.44 - Hunter is a tall fast difference maker who has A.J. Green type ability, the only reason he's available is he played last yr while recovering from a torn ACL. He should be even better in 2013. He has the body type to put on another 10 Lbs without losing speed/quickness. I would've picked Da'Rick Rodgers but BoB would never allow that. LOL

Rd.2 Brandon Williams DT Southern Missouri, 6'1 335 Lbs, 5.36- Williams is a big strong mountain of a man. Great character doesn't take many plays off. He immediately becomes the best run stopper since Seth Payne. Watt/Williams/A.Smith = strong run defense without having to play 8 in the box.

Rd.3 Reid Fragel OT Ohio St. 6'8 308 Lbs 5.14 33 in arms. Big, mobile, tough OT with great movement skills, 33, 225 reps were the most at the Combine for an OT. Fragel is a converted TE who has much room to improve, but the skills are defintely there. He reminds me of a better Winston.

Rd.3 A.J. Klien ILB Iowa St. 6'2 250 4.66. This guy makes plays all over the field. He's very good in coverage, a smart player with great instincts, perfect compliment to Cushing, defintely an upgrade over James.

Rd.4 Kenny Stills WR Okla 6'0 194 Lbs 4.38, Stills is a fast productive WR with good hands. If you like Broyles you should like Stills. He provides more competition among the Texans WR corps, that cant be a bad thing.

Rd.5 Cooper Taylor SS Richmond 6'4 227 4.57, Taylor was a 2nd team all ACC before transfering to Richmond. He is a big guy who has the ability to cover TE's and also is good against the run in the nickle

Rd.6 Jake Knott ILB/OLB Iowa St. 6'2 243 4.68, Knott was named 1st team Big 12 despite suffering a season ending shoulder injury at the begining of December. He and Klien helped form the best LB duo in the country. IMHO They were all over the field making plays against both the pass and the run. Knotts football IQ is off the charts. He and Klien should fit in well with Wades model of drafting intense football players, that football comes 1st for them. If Knott recovers and does well at his pro day he will probably be drafted in the late 4th early 5th. If I were the Texans I would pick him then if I had too. He's that good.

Rd.6 Levine Toilolo TE Stanford 6'8 260 4.86, Toilolo is a great blocking TE who provides a huge target in the red zone. He's got good hands and provides size for blocking that the Texans severely missed when Dreesen left in FA last yr. Think of Toilolo as Dreesens replacement. He disappointed at the Combine running a slow 40. Although his 17 reps were probably due to having the longest arms of any TE. 34.5 in

Rd.6 John Boyett SS Oregon 5'10 4.64, Boyett would've been a high draft pick but has suffered torn aCL's on both knees. He may or may not make it back, but if he does this guy is a DB who is allways making plays and is around the ball. He will be a great ST guy. He's well worth the risk in the 6th rd. IMHO

Rd.7 Blaize Foltz TE TCU 6'3 329 5.23, Although Foltz doesn't have ideal speed for the ZBS, he's a big guy who takes no crap. He will do whatever it takes to beat his man. Reminds me of Briesel.

All of these guys (Excluding Hunter) should help improve the ST's.

Feedback please

first one out of the blocks, guess your forty is pretty strong?

like WR in 1st. have questions about Hunter, his frame, endurance, work ethic & ability to block downfield.

Like Brandon Williams pick. 2nd seems about right, although someone may, emphasis on may pick him up sooner which would require Texans to trade up to grab him in the second?

Fragel has really moved up just a month ago I had mocked him in the 5th. think there is better player available here ready to contribute.

Klein is also a little high in my rankings, doesn't strike me as very athletic, just a smart football player, high motor guy, not a terrible pick but think a quicker, better athlete needs to be added, too much of what we already have in terms of speed.

Stills is very similar to Martin, too similar. Nice player really crowds the playing field with, again, more of the same.

Iowa State fan? they do produce solid LB's

Now I love Toilolo. I think he also goes much earlier. I like him in the 4th rd. would add much needed size & ability to seal the edge.

Love Boyett as well. what did he do 26 reps or something, honey badger only four? This is a very solid individual both on & off the field. As he proves recovered from season ending surgery I would expect him to go higher, he's not all that different than Jarius Byrd & Patrick Chung both from Oregon & both selected in the 2nd rd.

Foltz in Casey out? I would probably choose another position like a punter or running back.

Overall you have a mixed bag of nuts, very high risk reward early, then reach to address positions of need then over draft similar skill sets & valuations (grades) just seem a bit off. I would tighten up your projections & cover more bases (varied positions). But as always enjoy read & appreciate your effort & passion.

Honoring Earl 34
02-27-2013, 07:12 AM
Rd.1 justin Hunter Wr Tenn, 6'4 196Lbs 4.44 - Hunter is a tall fast difference maker who has A.J. Green type ability, the only reason he's available is he played last yr while recovering from a torn ACL. He should be even better in 2013. He has the body type to put on another 10 Lbs without losing speed/quickness. I would've picked Da'Rick Rodgers but BoB would never allow that. LOL

Rd.2 Brandon Williams DT Southern Missouri, 6'1 335 Lbs, 5.36- Williams is a big strong mountain of a man. Great character doesn't take many plays off. He immediately becomes the best run stopper since Seth Payne. Watt/Williams/A.Smith = strong run defense without having to play 8 in the box.

Rd.3 Reid Fragel OT Ohio St. 6'8 308 Lbs 5.14 33 in arms. Big, mobile, tough OT with great movement skills, 33, 225 reps were the most at the Combine for an OT. Fragel is a converted TE who has much room to improve, but the skills are defintely there. He reminds me of a better Winston.

Rd.3 A.J. Klien ILB Iowa St. 6'2 250 4.66. This guy makes plays all over the field. He's very good in coverage, a smart player with great instincts, perfect compliment to Cushing, defintely an upgrade over James.

Rd.4 Kenny Stills WR Okla 6'0 194 Lbs 4.38, Stills is a fast productive WR with good hands. If you like Broyles you should like Stills. He provides more competition among the Texans WR corps, that cant be a bad thing.

Rd.5 Cooper Taylor SS Richmond 6'4 227 4.57, Taylor was a 2nd team all ACC before transfering to Richmond. He is a big guy who has the ability to cover TE's and also is good against the run in the nickle

Rd.6 Jake Knott ILB/OLB Iowa St. 6'2 243 4.68, Knott was named 1st team Big 12 despite suffering a season ending shoulder injury at the begining of December. He and Klien helped form the best LB duo in the country. IMHO They were all over the field making plays against both the pass and the run. Knotts football IQ is off the charts. He and Klien should fit in well with Wades model of drafting intense football players, that football comes 1st for them. If Knott recovers and does well at his pro day he will probably be drafted in the late 4th early 5th. If I were the Texans I would pick him then if I had too. He's that good.

Rd.6 Levine Toilolo TE Stanford 6'8 260 4.86, Toilolo is a great blocking TE who provides a huge target in the red zone. He's got good hands and provides size for blocking that the Texans severely missed when Dreesen left in FA last yr. Think of Toilolo as Dreesens replacement. He disappointed at the Combine running a slow 40. Although his 17 reps were probably due to having the longest arms of any TE. 34.5 in

Rd.6 John Boyett SS Oregon 5'10 4.64, Boyett would've been a high draft pick but has suffered torn aCL's on both knees. He may or may not make it back, but if he does this guy is a DB who is allways making plays and is around the ball. He will be a great ST guy. He's well worth the risk in the 6th rd. IMHO

Rd.7 Blaize Foltz TE TCU 6'3 329 5.23, Although Foltz doesn't have ideal speed for the ZBS, he's a big guy who takes no crap. He will do whatever it takes to beat his man. Reminds me of Briesel.

All of these guys (Excluding Hunter) should help improve the ST's.

Feedback please

I like it a bunch .

1. Hunter has a high ceiling and gives schaub a target that's tall in the red zone .

2. Williams is a big need and a nice talent .

3. Fragel ... not sure of .

3. Kleins a good talent and showed well at the combine .

4. Stiils is a good pick from a passing school .

steelbtexan
02-27-2013, 04:53 PM
first one out of the blocks, guess your forty is pretty strong?

like WR in 1st. have questions about Hunter, his frame, endurance, work ethic & ability to block downfield.

Like Brandon Williams pick. 2nd seems about right, although someone may, emphasis on may pick him up sooner which would require Texans to trade up to grab him in the second?

Fragel has really moved up just a month ago I had mocked him in the 5th. think there is better player available here ready to contribute.

Klein is also a little high in my rankings, doesn't strike me as very athletic, just a smart football player, high motor guy, not a terrible pick but think a quicker, better athlete needs to be added, too much of what we already have in terms of speed.

Stills is very similar to Martin, too similar. Nice player really crowds the playing field with, again, more of the same.

Iowa State fan? they do produce solid LB's

Now I love Toilolo. I think he also goes much earlier. I like him in the 4th rd. would add much needed size & ability to seal the edge.

Love Boyett as well. what did he do 26 reps or something, honey badger only four? This is a very solid individual both on & off the field. As he proves recovered from season ending surgery I would expect him to go higher, he's not all that different than Jarius Byrd & Patrick Chung both from Oregon & both selected in the 2nd rd.

Foltz in Casey out? I would probably choose another position like a punter or running back.

Overall you have a mixed bag of nuts, very high risk reward early, then reach to address positions of need then over draft similar skill sets & valuations (grades) just seem a bit off. I would tighten up your projections & cover more bases (varied positions). But as always enjoy read & appreciate your effort & passion.

1. Hunter, I like Rodgers more, but Hunter has the ability to be a true #1 in a couple of yrs. I haven't heard that he's a bad blocker. 2 yrs removed from ACL surgery means you will be getting the 2011 Hunter and that Hunter is a top 10 pick.

2. Williams- agreed, hope he's still there.

3. Fragel- great feet, strongest OT at the combine, mean streak, hope he's still there.

3. Klien- he's a very smart guy who ran 4.66 (2nd best amongst ILB's, faster than Ogletree) 1.60 10 yd split 4th fastest .003 from being the fastest. (Same as Ogletree) So Klien is more athletic, smarter football player and less of a headcase than 1st rd pick Ogletree. The Texans will be lucky if Klien is available in the 3rd.

4. With Posey gone, that leaves Martin/Jean/Walter. Stills is taller/faster/better and more of a playmaker than Martin. (I'm biased against Big 10 WR's, they are always overrated. When is the last time a star WR came out of the Big 10?) Jean doesn't have deep speed or the ability to get separation like Stills does. Competition at WR can only help improve the team.

5. Knott- Yes Klien/Knott were the best duo of LB's in the country. Better than Ogletree/Jones. IMHO While not as flashy as Ogletree/Jones, Klien/Knott just made plays all over the field. Knott would be a steal here.

6. Toilolo- They need a blocking TE to replace Dreesen, If Toilolo isn't there, give me Kasa. Both are big physical blockers that can seal the edge.

6.Boyett- Agreed, worth the risk in the 6th.

7. Foltz- I meant OG, he's a big guy that has a chance to beat out a PS type guy like White, he's got some ability and appears to have a good work ethic.

tru80texan
02-27-2013, 08:48 PM
1. Hunter, I like Rodgers more, but Hunter has the ability to be a true #1 in a couple of yrs. I haven't heard that he's a bad blocker. 2 yrs removed from ACL surgery means you will be getting the 2011 Hunter and that Hunter is a top 10 pick.

2. Williams- agreed, hope he's still there.

3. Fragel- great feet, strongest OT at the combine, mean streak, hope he's still there.

3. Klien- he's a very smart guy who ran 4.66 (2nd best amongst ILB's, faster than Ogletree) 1.60 10 yd split 4th fastest .003 from being the fastest. (Same as Ogletree) So Klien is more athletic, smarter football player and less of a headcase than 1st rd pick Ogletree. The Texans will be lucky if Klien is available in the 3rd.

4. With Posey gone, that leaves Martin/Jean/Walter. Stills is taller/faster/better and more of a playmaker than Martin. (I'm biased against Big 10 WR's, they are always overrated. When is the last time a star WR came out of the Big 10?) Jean doesn't have deep speed or the ability to get separation like Stills does. Competition at WR can only help improve the team.

5. Knott- Yes Klien/Knott were the best duo of LB's in the country. Better than Ogletree/Jones. IMHO While not as flashy as Ogletree/Jones, Klien/Knott just made plays all over the field. Knott would be a steal here.

6. Toilolo- They need a blocking TE to replace Dreesen, If Toilolo isn't there, give me Kasa. Both are big physical blockers that can seal the edge.

6.Boyett- Agreed, worth the risk in the 6th.

7. Foltz- I meant OG, he's a big guy that has a chance to beat out a PS type guy like White, he's got some ability and appears to have a good work ethic.

Watch it! Some folks frown on opinions, even if it's yours & you are entitled to it, in which you lump a group of players in a classification, such as "overrated", based on their conference or school. I have the exact same feeling about USC WR's, so I'm too am biased & understand the feeling because just as you asked...when was the last time a good WR came out of USC? More hype then production IMO. I'm glad I'm not the only one who is biased against a conference or program concerning certain positions. I feel soooo much better now. Lol! Sorry...back to the subject.

I like Hunter from what I've watched. He catches the ball w/ his hands as opposed to letting it get to his body. He also does well over the middle not short arming catches & doesn't go down w/ 1st contact getting decent YAC. Considering his slender build that is a big plus in my book. If he could bulk up then his YAC ability should only get better IMO. The knee doesn't seem to be an issue & I was impressed w/ the more videos that I watched.

steelbtexan
02-27-2013, 09:14 PM
Watch it! Some folks frown on opinions, even if it's yours & you are entitled to it, in which you lump a group of players in a classification, such as "overrated", based on their conference or school. I have the exact same feeling about USC WR's, so I'm too am biased & understand the feeling because just as you asked...when was the last time a good WR came out of USC? More hype then production IMO. I'm glad I'm not the only one who is biased against a conference or program concerning certain positions. I feel soooo much better now. Lol! Sorry...back to the subject.

I like Hunter from what I've watched. He catches the ball w/ his hands as opposed to letting it get to his body. He also does well over the middle not short arming catches & doesn't go down w/ 1st contact getting decent YAC. Considering his slender build that is a big plus in my book. If he could bulk up then his YAC ability should only get better IMO. The knee doesn't seem to be an issue & I was impressed w/ the more videos that I watched.

Glad to know I'm not the only one like this.

We see the same thing in Hunter, he has the ability to take over the WR1 mantle from AJ if he's willing to put in the work and take great care of his body.

b0ng
03-01-2013, 07:49 AM
Rd.1 justin Hunter Wr Tenn, 6'4 196Lbs 4.44 - Hunter is a tall fast difference maker who has A.J. Green type ability, the only reason he's available is he played last yr while recovering from a torn ACL. He should be even better in 2013. He has the body type to put on another 10 Lbs without losing speed/quickness. I would've picked Da'Rick Rodgers but BoB would never allow that. LOL

Feedback please

If the Texans really wanted Rogers they could probably take him after moving back into the higher part of the second round and net another pick as well. While he did have some issues with pot, he also had some "Randy Moss in Oakland" qualities when it came to route running when not the primary read on the play. That will be the red flag that drops him and there are enough WR's who will be available in the first who don't exhibit that one particular (yet gigantic) red flag.

EDIT: Also, you are failing to account for players like Cushing (roids) and Braman (shroomz!) when ascertaining whether the Texans would draft a player with drug issues. And blaming it on McNair. Nice.

thunderkyss
03-01-2013, 08:11 AM
Finally someone has Kenny stills. I really like him for this offense. I said he reminds me of the guy from Rice the other day. I meant the guy from Baylor (wright?) that Tennessee drafted. Why the hell can't I remember his name?

Anyway good draft but I'm going heavy d upfront and adding WR's and OL mid to late.

Imagine if the Titans get a QB that can play (maybe Locker??) & they get some semblance of CJY2K, with both Brit & Wright..... that's going to be one tough team.

thunderkyss
03-01-2013, 08:19 AM
I like Hunter from what I've watched. He catches the ball w/ his hands as opposed to letting it get to his body. He also does well over the middle not short arming catches & doesn't go down w/ 1st contact getting decent YAC. Considering his slender build that is a big plus in my book. If he could bulk up then his YAC ability should only get better IMO. The knee doesn't seem to be an issue & I was impressed w/ the more videos that I watched.

Quoting that inestimable philosopher (http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2012/08/02/ten-smart-things-ive-learned-from-people-who-never-went-to-college/2/), Mike Tyson, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face"


You know how a player does going across the middle is going to change when they get to the NFL. They will get hit & they're going to have to adjust to it.

Maybe there aren't a lot of real hitters in the middle, in the Big 10, or on USC's schedules. Maybe that's why they haven't had successful WRs in the pros.

For instance, playing the Texans, Quin is going to hit you, Kj is going to hit you, Manning is going to hit you, & Cushing just might lay you the F out.

badboy
03-01-2013, 08:47 AM
If the Texans really wanted Rogers they could probably take him after moving back into the higher part of the second round and net another pick as well. While he did have some issues with pot, he also had some "Randy Moss in Oakland" qualities when it came to route running when not the primary read on the play. That will be the red flag that drops him and there are enough WR's who will be available in the first who don't exhibit that one particular (yet gigantic) red flag.

EDIT: Also, you are failing to account for players like Cushing (roids) and Braman (shroomz!) when ascertaining whether the Texans would draft a player with drug issues. And blaming it on McNair. Nice.Refering to route running when not primary, you can say that about many of the receivers in this draft. Ever notice Andre nachalantly trotting down field when it is a play opposite from him?

I am hoping we do trade back and get our guy whomever in top of second.

Corrosion
03-01-2013, 09:07 AM
Refering to route running when not primary, you can say that about many of the receivers in this draft. Ever notice Andre nachalantly trotting down field when it is a play opposite from him?

I am hoping we do trade back and get our guy whomever in top of second.

I'd like to see them move back from 27 as well .... and use the compensation for doing so along with their own #3 to move up into the second .... giving them 3 #2's.


Rodgers , Brandon Williams and Amerson with the idea of playing him at Safety.

Then you still have the 3rd round comp pick and later picks Terron Armstead (OT) and Klien at ILB in the 4th.


That would be a hell of a haul thru the 4th round.

tru80texan
03-01-2013, 09:56 AM
Quoting that inestimable philosopher (http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2012/08/02/ten-smart-things-ive-learned-from-people-who-never-went-to-college/2/), Mike Tyson, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face"


You know how a player does going across the middle is going to change when they get to the NFL. They will get hit & they're going to have to adjust to it.

Maybe there aren't a lot of real hitters in the middle, in the Big 10, or on USC's schedules. Maybe that's why they haven't had successful WRs in the pros.

For instance, playing the Texans, Quin is going to hit you, Kj is going to hit you, Manning is going to hit you, & Cushing just might lay you the F out.

I'm discussing Hunter out of Tennessee in the post you quoted of mine. He's not from the Big 10 or USC, try SEC. That being said, I think we can say there are 1 or 2 decent safeties in that conference.

Granted the skill level is different between the NFL & college but if a WR is timid or short arms catches over the middle in college then it more then likely will be an issue as a pro. Hunter does not have that issue right now & that is a plus IMO. If he's a tough player in his own right then going over the middle in the NFL will not change his style of play much IMO. Of course he will be hit harder, but that's expected & many WR's have transitioned into the NFL & handled going over the middle just fine. They don't all curl up & disappear because the likes of Quin or KJ hit them. The point was if it scares or bothers them in college then it will in the NFL as well. That doesn't seem to be the case w/ Hunter out of the SEC.

tru80texan
03-01-2013, 10:09 AM
If the Texans really wanted Rogers they could probably take him after moving back into the higher part of the second round and net another pick as well. While he did have some issues with pot, he also had some "Randy Moss in Oakland" qualities when it came to route running when not the primary read on the play. That will be the red flag that drops him and there are enough WR's who will be available in the first who don't exhibit that one particular (yet gigantic) red flag.

EDIT: Also, you are failing to account for players like Cushing (roids) and Braman (shroomz!) when ascertaining whether the Texans would draft a player with drug issues. And blaming it on McNair. Nice.

Cushing has NEVER tested positive for steroids in his career. All rumors that seemed to have plagued him since high school, but never proven. I don't believe this is the same as Rogers because he was busted & admitted having an issue. Braman was busted, but the risk on an undrafted FA rookie vs the risk of possibly wasting a 1st or 2nd round draft pick on a known red flag player is quite a bit different IMO.

I like Rogers because of his abilities & the fire & attitude that he seems to play the game with, but he somewhat reminds me of Dez Bryant on how he cant get his head straight & possibly being a train wreck waiting to happen & ultimately a waste of talent. That's too much risk, IMO, when you consider that he isn't necessarily miles ahead of the other prospects available. Outside of his intensity, I don't see his other skills standing out that much more then some of the others who have less off field issues & are safer picks.

steelbtexan
03-01-2013, 10:48 AM
If the Texans really wanted Rogers they could probably take him after moving back into the higher part of the second round and net another pick as well. While he did have some issues with pot, he also had some "Randy Moss in Oakland" qualities when it came to route running when not the primary read on the play. That will be the red flag that drops him and there are enough WR's who will be available in the first who don't exhibit that one particular (yet gigantic) red flag.

EDIT: Also, you are failing to account for players like Cushing (roids) and Braman (shroomz!) when ascertaining whether the Texans would draft a player with drug issues. And blaming it on McNair. Nice.

Please provide a link or something that shows Rodgers was a lazy route runner or a Moss type player. After Hunter got hurt in 2011 I didn't see anthing that suggested Rodgers is the type of WR you suggest. In fact he was a well above avg blocker.

Cushing had never tested positive for steroids before the draft and Wade convinced the FO brass to take a chance on Braman. He was an UDFA so signing him carried very little risk.

If you cant see that the Texans are one of the most conservative orgs in the NFL then I dont know if we can continue to have an objective discussion, but the conservatism starts at the top with BoB/Cal/Rick/Gary. Not that ther's anything wrong with that, but the Texans will never win a SB with this mindset. Sometimes you've got to take chances with talented but troubled players, to date the Texans have been unwilling to do that. The only risk they took was signing JJ and Manning to big FA contracts after the defense was historically bad in 2011 and those risks paid off to the tune of 2 playoff appearences. To get to the next level they're going to have to take a few chances on character guys and a guy like Rodgers would be a great place to start. IMHO

steelbtexan
03-01-2013, 10:59 AM
Quoting that inestimable philosopher (http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2012/08/02/ten-smart-things-ive-learned-from-people-who-never-went-to-college/2/), Mike Tyson, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face"


You know how a player does going across the middle is going to change when they get to the NFL. They will get hit & they're going to have to adjust to it.

Maybe there aren't a lot of real hitters in the middle, in the Big 10, or on USC's schedules. Maybe that's why they haven't had successful WRs in the pros.

For instance, playing the Texans, Quin is going to hit you, Kj is going to hit you, Manning is going to hit you, & Cushing just might lay you the F out.

Hunter wont have to take as many hits, because God'ell changed the rules to protect WR's. God'ells NFL isn't the one that we grew up with.

steelbtexan
03-01-2013, 11:09 AM
I'd like to see them move back from 27 as well .... and use the compensation for doing so along with their own #3 to move up into the second .... giving them 3 #2's.


Rodgers , Brandon Williams and Amerson with the idea of playing him at Safety.

Then you still have the 3rd round comp pick and later picks Terron Armstead (OT) and Klien at ILB in the 4th.


That would be a hell of a haul thru the 4th round.

Yep,

This would be what I try to do as well. But it's doubtful Armstead will be there in the 3rd, Klien probably wont be there late in the 4th either.

But a draft of Rodgers/B.Williams/Armstead in the 2nd, Klien in the 3rd and a S like Duke Williams or Tony Jefferson in the 4th would be a great haul of impact players. This would be the greatest draft haul in Texans history. 5 potential future starters/playmakers.

Corrosion
03-01-2013, 11:24 AM
Yep,

This would be what I try to do as well. But it's doubtful Armstead will be there in the 3rd, Klien probably wont be there late in the 4th either.

But a draft of Rodgers/B.Williams/Armstead in the 2nd, Klien in the 3rd and a S like Duke Williams or Tony Jefferson in the 4th would be a great haul of impact players. This would be the greatest draft haul in Texans history. 5 potential future starters/playmakers.

I was going off my pre-combine rankings with those players .... Its highly likely some have moved up a round or two , especially with Amrstead. I think he'll be one of the steals of this draft.

steelbtexan
03-01-2013, 11:33 AM
I was going off my pre-combine rankings with those players .... Its highly likely some have moved up a round or two , especially with Amrstead. I think he'll be one of the steals of this draft.

I could see a guy like Armstead going to a team like the Bears at 20, even though that would be a reach. IMHO

No doubt Armstead has top tier ability.

76Texan
03-01-2013, 11:55 AM
I heard they're gonna work out Armstead at TE on his Pro Day.

Imagine if that guy can catch...

rmartin65
03-01-2013, 11:57 AM
I heard they're gonna work out Armstead at TE on his Pro Day.

Imagine if that guy can catch...

Definitely worth a look... even if it just gives you a wrinkle on short yardage/goal line situations.

b0ng
03-01-2013, 06:08 PM
Please provide a link or something that shows Rodgers was a lazy route runner or a Moss type player. After Hunter got hurt in 2011 I didn't see anthing that suggested Rodgers is the type of WR you suggest. In fact he was a well above avg blocker.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/darick-rogers?id=2540179

Weaknesses
Off-field maturity and on-field effort have been issues. Stops his route at times if not the primary target. Body language on the field can be defeating. Lacks great explosiveness to run by corners, no extra gear. Will struggle to track the football at times. Not a very instinctual receiver, doesn't always run the routes he should, doesn't fight to get open when the play breaks down.

Cushing had never tested positive for steroids before the draft and Wade convinced the FO brass to take a chance on Braman. He was an UDFA so signing him carried very little risk.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d80edca0f&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2009/04/new-brian-cushing-steroid-controversy-site-claim-positive-test-at-nfl-combine.html

You should read up on your steroid accusation history of Texans players sometime.

If you cant see that the Texans are one of the most conservative orgs in the NFL

citation needed.

then I dont know if we can continue to have an objective discussion, but the conservatism starts at the top with BoB/Cal/Rick/Gary. Not that ther's anything wrong with that, but the Texans will never win a SB with this mindset.

There is no unwritten rule that says you need to have a specific type of player on your team to win a SB other than "winner". Not drafting a guy because you are afraid he won't be on the field because of outside issues is perfectly justifiable, and not adhering to that in certain situations is the reason we laugh at the Titans for drafting Kenny Britt and Chris Johnson and Albert Haynesworth.

Sometimes you've got to take chances with talented but troubled players, to date the Texans have been unwilling to do that.

citation needed

The only risk they took was signing JJ and Manning to big FA contracts after the defense was historically bad in 2011 and those risks paid off to the tune of 2 playoff appearences. To get to the next level they're going to have to take a few chances on character guys and a guy like Rodgers would be a great place to start. IMHO

If there were less WR's who have about the same abilities as Rogers with less of a concern with maturity and character issues off the field that would make the situation different, but there are a lot of those guys. If they trade back and pick him, fantastic, if not I certainly hope that they use the pick on someone else, or trade back to get him as I believe I will be there in the second round (probably all the way down the middle of the second round) for teams to draft.

tru80texan
03-01-2013, 10:53 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/darick-rogers?id=2540179





http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d80edca0f&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2009/04/new-brian-cushing-steroid-controversy-site-claim-positive-test-at-nfl-combine.html

You should read up on your steroid accusation history of Texans players sometime.



citation needed.



There is no unwritten rule that says you need to have a specific type of player on your team to win a SB other than "winner". Not drafting a guy because you are afraid he won't be on the field because of outside issues is perfectly justifiable, and not adhering to that in certain situations is the reason we laugh at the Titans for drafting Kenny Britt and Chris Johnson and Albert Haynesworth.



citation needed



If there were less WR's who have about the same abilities as Rogers with less of a concern with maturity and character issues off the field that would make the situation different, but there are a lot of those guys. If they trade back and pick him, fantastic, if not I certainly hope that they use the pick on someone else, or trade back to get him as I believe I will be there in the second round (probably all the way down the middle of the second round) for teams to draft.

You do realize there is a huge difference between being found guilty of something & being accused of something? Once again, Cushing has NEVER been found guilty of using steroids. Even with the links you provided nothing was proven. As you stated, they are accusations & they are unproven when it's all said & done.

As far as the Texans being conservative & choosing not to pick high risk players, you don't need a "citation" as proof because it's been a given for years & has been discussed by many, media & fans. It has also been proven by the way they select on draft day as well as how they select FA's. It's hardly a secret & just because they don't put in the paper or say in an interview doesn't mean it isn't true. Action speaks louder then words & the Texans FO have proven they slim to never bring in or select players w/ suspect character. Can't say I blame them, but I would hope that as this team improves & establishes more vet leadership that a young player could be brought in & that player would conform to the attitude of the team as opposed to the player being allowed to run wild similar to what the titans have dealt with & what they are currently dealing with. The Ravens seem to handle troubled players well & maybe one day the Texans handle their business in the same fashion.

steelbtexan
03-01-2013, 11:59 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/darick-rogers?id=2540179





http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d80edca0f&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2009/04/new-brian-cushing-steroid-controversy-site-claim-positive-test-at-nfl-combine.html

You should read up on your steroid accusation history of Texans players sometime.



citation needed.



There is no unwritten rule that says you need to have a specific type of player on your team to win a SB other than "winner". Not drafting a guy because you are afraid he won't be on the field because of outside issues is perfectly justifiable, and not adhering to that in certain situations is the reason we laugh at the Titans for drafting Kenny Britt and Chris Johnson and Albert Haynesworth.



citation needed



If there were less WR's who have about the same abilities as Rogers with less of a concern with maturity and character issues off the field that would make the situation different, but there are a lot of those guys. If they trade back and pick him, fantastic, if not I certainly hope that they use the pick on someone else, or trade back to get him as I believe I will be there in the second round (probably all the way down the middle of the second round) for teams to draft.

I've watched a bunch of Vol games. It's the reason I want the Texans to take Bray in the 1st rd. I haven't seen alot of what the guy in that article talks about when it comes to Rodgers. Sure sometimes when a play is run away from him he will take it easy. All WR's do this, evem the beloved AJ. The reason I like Rodgers so much is he has way above avg hands and breaks alot of tackles so he gets alot of YAC. He would be a great fit in the Texans offense because he's a great blocker. I also like Swope as a fit for the Texans for this reason.

I agree trading down and picking Rodgers would be optimal. As for the Texans being conservative? Come On man, they are what they are.

thunderkyss
03-02-2013, 05:36 AM
Sure sometimes when a play is run away from him he will take it easy. All WR's do this, evem the beloved AJ.

I don't know about this. On a pass play, it's not like they're drawn up with one player in mind. Not like Matt tells them in the huddle, "Casey, this play is designed for you." Allowing the other receivers to take off.

In our system, Matt doesn't even know who the primary target will be until he sees the defense.

On run plays?? Yes I've seen receivers, even Aj not give 100%...... when we had David Carr I saw receivers "pull up" after 13-15 yards, but that's because David was most likely on his butt at the time.