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76Texan
02-22-2013, 10:17 AM
The OL and TE measurements are in.

Man, some of these TEs are just big and long.
I haven't watched them all yet, but Fauria and Toilolo are definitely sleepers.
They will probably climb up the boards soon.

Playoffs
02-22-2013, 12:21 PM
Barkley is unimpressive in interview to me. I have big concerns about his shoulder after the way he answered those questions. (Too much CourtTV)

I wouldn't touch him.
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Funny, there's an O-Lineman with a 30" arm length.
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QB Mike Glennon is 6'7".

76Texan
02-22-2013, 01:25 PM
I actually think it's best to trade away our first rounder for future draft choice; draft a receiver in the second or take a flyer with a guy like Marcus Davis later on. There are 3 guys in the next draft that I think highly of: Marquise Lee USC, Sammy Watkins Clemson, and the big dude from Rutgers that I forgot the name (he's at least 6'5 and is pretty fast and quick for that size.)

That is unless we don't have to sell out the farm to get Patterson or Allen.

Playoffs
02-23-2013, 10:40 AM
~24% of all Combine participants this year are from the SEC.

Terron Armstead 6'5" 306 lbs ran an unofficial 4.65 40 yard dash --- fastest ever for an O-Lineman.

How fast is 4.65???

2012 -- Juron Criner, Jeff Fuller, Darius Hanks, Jerrell Jackson, Gerell Robinson all ran in the 4.6s
... and they're all Wide Receivers!

beerlover
02-23-2013, 10:54 AM
Texans will pick up one of these athletic OL.

Playoffs
02-23-2013, 10:59 AM
I actually think it's best to trade away our first rounder for future draft choice...Disagree. This is one of the deepest drafts in years at many positions. I'd be stocking up on players.

Texans will pick up one of these athletic OL.

Yep, it's a deep in the top & middle rounds class.

Playoffs
02-23-2013, 11:41 AM
Cooper & Fisher look so darn good out of this first group.

Fluker not so much -- have to go to tape.

badboy
02-23-2013, 11:44 AM
We have too many weaknesses to put off until next year. I am ok with trade down from #27 into high second.

Lucky
02-23-2013, 12:41 PM
I actually think it's best to trade away our first rounder for future draft choice
No one trades a 1st for just a future 1st. That makes zero sense. What does happen is that a team will trade their 1st for a current 2nd and a future 1st. Or trade a current 2nd outright for a future 1st. I don't think the Texans will do either, but you see trades like this pretty often.

IDEXAN
02-23-2013, 12:51 PM
Texans will pick up one of these athletic OL.
I really wonder how they feel about Newt as the long-term answer at RT ?
If they have reservations, I think we could actually see them using their top pick for a Lane Johnson IF he was still on their Board at 27 ?

76Texan
02-23-2013, 12:52 PM
Disagree. This is one of the deepest drafts in years at many positions. I'd be stocking up on players.



Yep, it's a deep in the top & middle rounds class.

No one trades a 1st for just a future 1st. That makes zero sense. What does happen is that a team will trade their 1st for a current 2nd and a future 1st. Or trade a current 2nd outright for a future 1st. I don't think the Texans will do either, but you see trades like this pretty often.

It's because that this draft is deep from the 2nd round on that I think it makes sense to trade our first. If we can get a 2nd and a future first, I'm all for it.

That way we can package our two firsts next year to move up to get a replacement for AJ; otherwise, we will never in a position to get a marquis player.

b0ng
02-23-2013, 12:53 PM
There are a ton of Oline guys running sub 5 second 40's. This is definitely a good group of prospects, even in the mid to late rounds.

IDEXAN
02-23-2013, 12:54 PM
No one trades a 1st for just a future 1st. That makes zero sense. What does happen is that a team will trade their 1st for a current 2nd and a future 1st. Or trade a current 2nd outright for a future 1st. I don't think the Texans will do either, but you see trades like this pretty often.
A favorite Belichick maneuver.

76Texan
02-23-2013, 12:56 PM
~24% of all Combine participants this year are from the SEC.

Terron Armstead 6'5" 306 lbs ran an unofficial 4.65 40 yard dash --- fastest ever for an O-Lineman.

How fast is 4.65???

2012 -- Juron Criner, Jeff Fuller, Darius Hanks, Jerrell Jackson, Gerell Robinson all ran in the 4.6s
... and they're all Wide Receivers!

Looks like my dark horse is no longer in obscurity.

I think the Texans will draft an OT and let Newton be the swing tackle.

NCTexan
02-23-2013, 01:17 PM
The TE Vance McDonald had great form through out the bench press. Looks like an intriguing prospect.

Looks like people doubt his blocking though.

Lucky
02-23-2013, 01:19 PM
I really wonder how they feel about Newt as the long-term answer at RT ?
I know how I feel about Newton. He's not the long term (or short term) answer at RT. I do think he can be a decent guard, however.


That way we can package our two firsts next year to move up to get a replacement for Schaub
fify.

b0ng
02-23-2013, 01:33 PM
Eifert ran a 4.6
Ertz 4.72
Escobar 4.88

IDEXAN
02-23-2013, 01:43 PM
There are a ton of Oline guys running sub 5 second 40's. This is definitely a good group of prospects, even in the mid to late rounds.
Watching 300 pounders run sub 5 second 40s is pretty impressive at one level, but practically speaking it's about the 23rd or maybe 31st most important thing that the coachs look at when it comes to evaluating a prospect to becoming an NFL offensive lineman.

76Texan
02-23-2013, 02:04 PM
Eifert ran a 4.6
Ertz 4.72
Escobar 4.88

Another guy to watch is the small TE from Arkansas, Chris Gragg.
He ran a 4'44 forty. He originally played WR but doesn't have the lateral agility.
With a 6th or a 7th pick, he can be used in lieu of Walter in the blocking department while can still threaten deep.

Injury is hurting his stock, so I think he could be a steal in the late rounds.

Another dark horse of mine is the OT Rogers Gaines from Tenn St.
Huge guy with long arms (6'6-330 something, nearly 37" arm).
He's a project (but did not give up any sack in his Sr. season).
I think we can afford a 6th or 7th on him.

b0ng
02-23-2013, 02:20 PM
Te'o press conference going on. Kind of awkward.

Vance87
02-23-2013, 02:22 PM
We've already met with him. Interesting

b0ng
02-23-2013, 02:59 PM
Another guy to watch is the small TE from Arkansas, Chris Gragg.
He ran a 4'44 forty. He originally played WR but doesn't have the lateral agility.
With a 6th or a 7th pick, he can be used in lieu of Walter in the blocking department while can still threaten deep.

Injury is hurting his stock, so I think he could be a steal in the late rounds.

Another dark horse of mine is the OT Rogers Gaines from Tenn St.
Huge guy with long arms (6'6-330 something, nearly 37" arm).
He's a project (but did not give up any sack in his Sr. season).
I think we can afford a 6th or 7th on him.

Gragg also topped the vert leap with 37.5". He's certainly got the measureables you would want in a pass catcher.

Lucky
02-23-2013, 03:20 PM
Eifert ran a 4.6
Ertz 4.72
Escobar 4.88
It's a good group of TEs overall. Despite his slower time, I've really liked what I have seen of Escobar. He has the size to play inline, but the ability to flex out. He looks like a natural receiver. Excellent after the catch. His versatility gives Escobar a lot of value.

Vinny
02-23-2013, 03:33 PM
watching these guys run around in their pajamas is uncomfortable at times.

Playoffs
02-23-2013, 08:03 PM
It's a good group of TEs overall. Despite his slower time, I've really liked what I have seen of Escobar. He has the size to play inline, but the ability to flex out. He looks like a natural receiver. Excellent after the catch. His versatility gives Escobar a lot of value.
I really like Escobar. Eifert looks great, but I like Escobar for us. Natural pass catcher -- and looks like he can block?

Wolf6151
02-23-2013, 09:50 PM
On the subject of TE's, I'm disappointed that Michael Williams from Alabama didn't get a Combine invite. I think he's got the size and potential as both a blocker and pass catcher at the NFL level. Maybe no Combine invite helps him to fall and we get him in the 6th with one our expected comp. picks.

beerlover
02-23-2013, 10:09 PM
Texans need to collect an OT, DT, WR, ILB, OLB, CB, S, WR, TE, DE, & Punter.

Minus at least one via free agency, that's still 10. With estimated compensatory picks (3) combined with all natural slotted picks (7) in tack will make for interesting build-up through draft process.

A deep OL/TE class bodes well. Thinking mid round here. Save the top spots for ILB, DT & WR.

BL :wesmantexanfan:

Honoring Earl 34
02-23-2013, 10:28 PM
Texans need to collect an OT, DT, WR, ILB, OLB, CB, S, WR, TE, DE, & Punter.

Minus at least one via free agency, that's still 10. With estimated compensatory picks (3) combined with all natural slotted picks (7) in tack will make for interesting build-up through draft process.

A deep OL/TE class bodes well. Thinking mid round here. Save the top spots for ILB, DT & WR.

BL :wesmantexanfan:

Lets cherry pick this .

http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php

aussie_texan
02-23-2013, 11:08 PM
Lets cherry pick this .

http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php

1. Kevin Minter ILB
2. Brandon Williams NT
3. Da'rick Rogers WR
4. Brandon Jenkins OLB

Honoring Earl 34
02-23-2013, 11:10 PM
1. Kevin Minter ILB
2. Brandon Williams NT
3. Da'rick Rogers WR
4. Brandon Jenkins OLB

I'm still thinkin .

1. Justin Hunter WR Tennessee ... why ... go big or go home .
2. Jesse Williams NT Alabama ... why ... could also play a little DE.
3. B.W. Webb, CB, William & Mary
4. Nico Johnson ILB Alabama

SAMURAITEXAN
02-24-2013, 09:15 AM
WO 40 yd dash unofficial time(sub 4.5 only) First Group
4.25/4.31 Austin
4.25/4.29 Goodwin
4.38/4.38 Boyce
4.38/4.37 Fuller
4.40/4.53 Davis
4.43/4.44 King
4.44/4.41 Hunter
4.47/4.59 Hamilton
4.47/4.47 Harrison
4.50/4.44 Goard
4.50/4.47 Bonner
4.57/4.46 Harper

76Texan
02-24-2013, 09:42 AM
Unofficial time(sub 4.5 only)
4.25/4.31 Austin
4.25 Goodwin
4.38/4.38 Boyce
4.38 Fuller
4.40 Davis
4.43 King
4.47 Hamilton
4.47 Harrison
4.50/4.47 Bonner

So both Austin and Goodwin get the deal from Adidas for fastest player at the combine?

Marcus Davis and Tavares King help themselves.
King is great value in the third, IMO.

And don't go to sleep on Fuller.
The guy is still raw due to change of position and lack of playing time, but he also has good potential; could be a sleeper in the late round.

SAMURAITEXAN
02-24-2013, 09:52 AM
So both Austin and Goodwin get the deal from Adidas for fastest player at the combine?

Marcus Davis and Tavares King help themselves.
King is great value in the third, IMO.

And don't go to sleep on Fuller.
The guy is still raw due to change of position and lack of playing time, but he also has good potential; could be a sleeper in the late round.

Kaufman is interesting prospect. His tall and runs low 4.5!

Yep, Austin and Goodwin both get shoelaces from Adidas!

76Texan
02-24-2013, 10:57 AM
Kaufman is interesting prospect. His tall and runs low 4.5!

Yep, Austin and Goodwin both get shoe strings from Adidas!

Tyrone Goard is much taller and much faster!

SAMURAITEXAN
02-24-2013, 11:03 AM
Tyrone Goard is much taller and much faster!

You are right but he didn't look that tall.

76Texan
02-24-2013, 11:06 AM
You are right but he didn't look that tall.

Maybe he wore high heels when they measured him! http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

b0ng
02-24-2013, 11:37 AM
Tavon Auston is definitely going in the first round.

b0ng
02-24-2013, 11:47 AM
Man all of these WRs are burning it up. Ryan Swope with a 4.44

Edit: Markus Wheaton 4.34
Patterson ran a 4.3
T.Williams with a 4.46

srrono
02-24-2013, 11:48 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/24/tavon-austin-marquise-goodwin-run-blistering-40-times/

Austin ran a 40-yard dash in an unofficial time of 4.25 seconds. If that holds up when all of the official times come in, it will be the second-fastest in the history of the NFL Scouting Combine, second only to Chris Johnson’s 4.24.

Except that just a couple minutes after Austin turned in his 40 time, Texas receiver Marquise Goodwin equaled it with a 4.25-second 40-yard dash of his own. Goodwin, who was in the Olympics last year as a long jumper, said before the Combine that he thought he could break Johnson’s record.

This has to be one of the faster WR groups this year. These are "unofficial first attempts on 40 times below.
SOURCE (http://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker)

Austin, Tavon West Virginia 4.25 u
Goodwin, Marquise Texas 4.25 u
Robinson, Denard Michigan 4.34 u
Stills, Kenny Oklahoma 4.34 u
Wheaton, Markus Oregon St. 4.34 u
Fuller, Corey Virginia Tech 4.37 u
Patterson, Cordarrelle Tennessee 4.37 u
Boyce, Josh TCU 4.38 u
Davis, Marcus Virginia Tech 4.40 u
Hunter, Justin Tennessee 4.41 u
Wilson, Marquess Washington St. 4.41 u
King, Tavarres Georgia 4.43 u
Sampson, Lanear Baylor 4.43 u
Goard, Tyrone Eastern Kentucky 4.44 u
Rogers, Da'Rick Tennessee Tech 4.44 u
Smith, Rodney Florida St. 4.44 u
Spadola, Ryan Lehigh 4.44 u
Swope, Ryan Texas A&M 4.44 u
Woods, Robert USC 4.44 u
Harper, Chris Kansas St. 4.46 u
Patton, Quinton Louisiana Tech 4.46 u
Williams, Terrance Baylor 4.46 u
Bonner, Alan Jacksonville St. 4.47 u
Hamilton, Cobi Arkansas 4.47 u
Harrison, Mark Rutgers 4.47 u
Mellette, Aaron Elon 4.47 u
Bailey, Stedman West Virginia 4.50 u
Hopkins, DeAndre Clemson 4.50 u
Johnson, Darius SMU 4.50 u
Thompkins, Kenbrell Cincinnati 4.50 u

Pete Prisco ‏@PriscoCBS
All this speed by receivers could be costing Mike Wallace some money

tru80texan
02-24-2013, 11:49 AM
The TE Vance McDonald had great form through out the bench press. Looks like an intriguing prospect.

Looks like people doubt his blocking though.

I like this guy. He looked pretty good at the Senior Bowl & has had decent combine. His blocking is supposedly good & he can catch. The Texans need a blocking TE who can catch when it's all said & done & I think McDonld could fit the bill later in the draft.

b0ng
02-24-2013, 11:55 AM
C. Patterson - 4.37/4.40. I like his speed.

b0ng
02-24-2013, 11:58 AM
Denard Robinson has a ton of speed as well. Wonder who is going to try to teach him how to run routes.

76Texan
02-24-2013, 12:06 PM
Man all of these WRs are burning it up. Ryan Swope with a 4.44

Edit: Markus Wheaton 4.34
Patterson ran a 4.3
T.Williams with a 4.46

Makes me wonder if the track is faster this year.

Did Rich Essein whatever his name is break his 40 record? LOL!

SAMURAITEXAN
02-24-2013, 12:11 PM
WO 40 yd dash unofficial time(sub 4.5 only) Second Group
4.34/4.45 Robinson
4.34/4.28 Stills
4.34/4.40 Wheaton
4.37/4.40 Patterson
4.41/4.47 Wilson
4.43/4.44 Sampson
4.44/4.46 Smith
4.44/4.41 Spadola
4.44/4.38 Swope
4.44/4.44 Woods
4.46/4.50 Patton
4.46/4.59 Williams
4.47/4.47 Mellette
4.50/4.43 Thompkins
4.56/4.44 Rogers
4.59/4.47 Vernon

SAMURAITEXAN
02-24-2013, 12:15 PM
Rodney Smith is a nice looking prospect tall,fast and, good built. 4-5 rounder?

Playoffs
02-24-2013, 12:19 PM
Mayock said multiple teams had Goodwin at 4.19.

.

76Texan
02-24-2013, 01:01 PM
Looks like they adjusted the numbers now; some of them dropped off quite a bit.

Playoffs
02-24-2013, 01:13 PM
Deandre Hopkins, Cobi Hamilton, and Goard to a lesser extent popped out of that first group for me.

Hopkins owns it. Cleanest looking guy out there by a good bit, to me.

http://atlanticcoastconvos.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/deandrehopkinsauburnvclemsonzo0rt8qn-vl.jpg

Group 5 next on my DVR.

IDEXAN
02-24-2013, 01:27 PM
Who knew Aggie Ryan Swope was as fast as Tavon Austin ?

SW H-TOWN
02-24-2013, 01:31 PM
Yep, I like Hopkins too. IMO he is the most complete WR out there. He gave LSU fits, really showed up in that big game, and 18 TD last year is really impressive. The only thing is that I think that there will be many more quality WR in round 2 than quality DT. We need to come out of this draft with a starting WR, DT, and ILB.

SW H-TOWN
02-24-2013, 01:34 PM
Who knew Aggie Ryan Swope was as fast as Tavon Austin ?

Swope's times are amazing. Biggest surprise to me so far. 1.47 10 yard split vs 1.45 for Tavon Austin. Did not see that coming.

Playoffs
02-24-2013, 01:57 PM
Kinile Davis RB, 230 lbs, 4.30 40 with 1.49 10 yard split.

76Texan
02-24-2013, 02:10 PM
Swope's times are amazing. Biggest surprise to me so far. 1.47 10 yard split vs 1.45 for Tavon Austin. Did not see that coming.

Probably need to wait until these times become official.

How did DeAndre Hopkins run 4.57?

Playoffs
02-24-2013, 02:24 PM
How did DeAndre Hopkins run 4.57?I've heard the official times are always slow and not used by scouts. Supposedly unofficial are more realistic, but hand times by scouts are the standard and often lower. So I go by "unofficial" times.

We'll get pro day times that'll tell the tale.

Honoring Earl 34
02-24-2013, 02:34 PM
Kinile Davis RB, 230 lbs, 4.30 40 with 1.49 10 yard split.

He went to FB Marshall .

Honoring Earl 34
02-24-2013, 02:36 PM
Probably need to wait until these times become official.

How did DeAndre Hopkins run 4.57?

He lost weight to get there .

TexansSeminole
02-24-2013, 03:18 PM
He lost weight to get there .

He is 214 pounds. Where did you read that he lost weight?

CloakNNNdagger
02-24-2013, 03:26 PM
[Gebo] Smith turned in a 4.56-second 40-yard dash at the Scouting Combine on Sunday morning, the best 40 time of any quarterback in this year’s draft class. Running in the 4.5s puts Smith on par with what Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick ran when they were in the Combine. Both of them have shown a great ability to use that speed on the field.

What’s interesting about Smith, however, is that he tends not to use his speed on the field: Smith was much more a passer than a runner at West Virginia, passing for 4,205 yards and 42 touchdowns while running for 151 yards and two touchdowns last season. So Smith should not be viewed as a running quarterback.

Still, proving he has the speed to make plays with his feet — especially at a time when NFL teams seem to be intrigued by the ways that running quarterbacks can threaten opposing defenses — can only help his draft stock.link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/24/geno-smith-is-the-fastest-quarterback-at-the-combine/)

Something that we could have used.

CloakNNNdagger
02-24-2013, 03:29 PM
RB Onterio McCalebb ran an unofficial 4.27 (first) and 4.21 (second). Will have to wait until official time comes in to see if he bests CJ.

CloakNNNdagger
02-24-2013, 03:32 PM
Florio reports

The news that West Virginia receiver Tavon Austin ran an unofficial 4.25-second 40 (which officially was adjusted to 4.34 seconds) was eye-opening but not surprising.

The numbers, which strip away the potential illusions created by game film generated against inferior talent, confirm the best quote we heard from an NFL G.M. while attending the Scouting Combine.

“He runs like he has a rocket in his ass,” said the G.M. on Thursday. (He didn’t request anonymity, but we’ll assume he didn’t want to have his name attached to the remark.)

Honoring Earl 34
02-24-2013, 03:38 PM
He is 214 pounds. Where did you read that he lost weight?

That's what Mayock said .

IDEXAN
02-24-2013, 03:46 PM
I've heard the official times are always slow and not used by scouts. Supposedly unofficial are more realistic, but hand times by scouts are the standard and often lower. So I go by "unofficial" times.

We'll get pro day times that'll tell the tale.
Unofficial times are just that, times recorded by the participants agents, college coachs, and friends & relatives with an agenda to elevate the players Draft stock as much as possible. And they are also hand-timed which means they almost always overstate performace, a favorite ploy by NFL Network personnel to hype the performances and thereby stimulate cable viewership.
On the other hand, official times are electronically recorded which means they are objective and consistent and therefor more reliable and fair than the unofficial versions.

Playoffs
02-24-2013, 03:46 PM
RB Onterio McCalebb ran an unofficial 4.27 (first) and 4.21 (second). Will have to wait until official time comes in to see if he bests CJ.

168 lbs running back? Impressive time, but...

76Texan
02-24-2013, 03:49 PM
That's what Mayock said .

No, Earl; he actually weighed in at 9 lbs heavier than what he was listed by the various scouting site like NFL Draft Scout; which was why I said yesterday that I want to find out how fast he can run with the additional weight.

TexansSeminole
02-24-2013, 04:12 PM
That's what Mayock said .

That's interesting. I wonder what he weighed during the season.

Playoffs
02-24-2013, 04:21 PM
Unofficial times are just that, times recorded by the participants agents, college coachs, and friends & relatives with an agenda to elevate the players Draft stock as much as possible. And they are also hand-timed which means they almost always overstate performace, a favorite ploy by NFL Network personnel to hype the performances and thereby stimulate cable viewership.
On the other hand, official times are electronically recorded which means they are objective and consistent and therefor more reliable and fair than the unofficial versions.

Nope. NFL Network uses a single source for unofficial times, and it's not agents/college coaches/relatives. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

"Official" times are started on first movement -- any movement, even if it it not forward. Some guys move their off hand first, or rock backward. That is why "official" times are typically higher, very rarely lower.

Want to know what NFL teams consider an official 40 time? The one their guy with their stopwatch brings back to them. Many teams use the exact same scout for 40 times year in and year out and trust his index finger more than anyone in the business. They go through pains to keep the same stopwatch in working condition and make sure he's standing in the same spot every year.

Teams could care less what an "official" time from the combine is.
Those who participate in the 40 run twice, and on each run they are timed by two hand-held stopwatches and one electronic timer (that is actually initiated by hand on the player's first movement). Combine data put together for NFL teams by National Scouting includes all six of those times for each player, but no single official time.

steelbtexan
02-24-2013, 04:27 PM
I really wonder how they feel about Newt as the long-term answer at RT ?
If they have reservations, I think we could actually see them using their top pick for a Lane Johnson IF he was still on their Board at 27 ?

After his impressive performance at the combine Johnson will go 7 to Arizona, 11 San Diego or 20 at the latest Bears.

If he's there at 27 Rick should personally run the card up to God'ell.

76Texan
02-24-2013, 05:15 PM
That's interesting. I wonder what he weighed during the season.

205; now weighing in at 214

76Texan
02-24-2013, 05:17 PM
Nope. NFL Network uses a single source for unofficial times, and it's not agents/college coaches/relatives. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

"Official" times are started on first movement -- any movement, even if it it not forward. Some guys move their off hand first, or rock backward. That is why "official" times are typically higher, very rarely lower.

I'm not sure I like the electronic timer. The guy who's able to push off with both hand and foot at the same time gets the "extra" advantage that is already built in with the good stance/get off in the first place.

Playoffs
02-24-2013, 05:35 PM
I'm not sure I like the electronic timer. The guy who's able to push off with both hand and foot at the same time gets the "extra" advantage that is already built in with the good stance/get off in the first place.

Me neither.

Seems like they could set an electronic start & finish timer. Maybe have a line just past the setup line to trigger the start then add 1 tenth (or whatever).

Or why not use a start sound like track? Players fire off QB's voice.

Those would improve the times the viewer gets, but the scout I spoke with said teams will always use their guy.

Honoring Earl 34
02-24-2013, 05:41 PM
No, Earl; he actually weighed in at 9 lbs heavier than what he was listed by the various scouting site like NFL Draft Scout; which was why I said yesterday that I want to find out how fast he can run with the additional weight.

They all weigh 205 according to the programs .

http://www.draftcountdown.com/Rankings/WR.php

76Texan
02-24-2013, 05:45 PM
Me neither.

Seems like they could set an electronic start & finish timer. Maybe have a line just past the setup line to trigger the start then add 1 tenth (or whatever).

Or why not use a start sound like track? Players fire off QB's voice.

Those would improve the times the viewer gets, but the scout I spoke with said teams will always use their guy.

Yeah, I can understand why teams would rather use their guy to do their own timing with a stop watch.

76Texan
02-24-2013, 05:47 PM
They all weigh 205 according to the programs .

http://www.draftcountdown.com/Rankings/WR.php

LOL, there sure are a lot of guys listed at 205 on that list.

Honoring Earl 34
02-24-2013, 05:53 PM
LOL, there sure are a lot of guys listed at 205 on that list.

I'm going to say I weigh 205 . :roast:

IDEXAN
02-24-2013, 06:16 PM
Nope. NFL Network uses a single source for unofficial times, and it's not agents/college coaches/relatives. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

"Official" times are started on first movement -- any movement, even if it it not forward. Some guys move their off hand first, or rock backward. That is why "official" times are typically higher, very rarely lower.
Track meets, especially the most prominent meets like the Olympics haven't used hand-held timers for decades simply because they are less accurate, more inconsistant, and less reliable than electronic timers. Their is but one reason to continue with this archaic technology in events like the Indy Combine which is to record faster times.

Honoring Earl 34
02-24-2013, 07:07 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/24/combine-medical-test-reveals-star-lotulelei-has-heart-condition/

b0ng
02-24-2013, 07:14 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/24/combine-medical-test-reveals-star-lotulelei-has-heart-condition/

Between this, Jones's stock falling, and Moore benching as much as I did in high school, it has not been a good combine for DL.

Playoffs
02-24-2013, 07:44 PM
Deandre Hopkins, Cobi Hamilton, and Goard to a lesser extent popped out of that first group for me.

Hopkins owns it. Cleanest looking guy out there by a good bit, to me.
Add Quiton Patton & Robert Woods to my impressed list.

Watching back, I have to say my predisposition in favor of height had me overlooking Tavon Austin. The kid looked good -- with his 30" arms & 5'9".

Honoring Earl 34
02-24-2013, 08:00 PM
Add Quiton Patton & Robert Woods to my impressed list.

Watching back, I have to say my predisposition in favor of height had me overlooking Tavon Austin. The kid looked good -- with his 30" arms & 5'9".

Those guys , to me are 2nd rd picks . Having said that , good teams take a luxury like Austin in the 1st rd and burn you with him .

I think Hunter is the wildcard because he's 6'4 . He also hit a 4.4 , 39.5 vertical , and 11' something broad jump . If he doesn't get hurt in 2011 , he would be a lock in the 1st .

Honoring Earl 34
02-24-2013, 08:01 PM
Between this, Jones's stock falling, and Moore benching as much as I did in high school, it has not been a good combine for DL.

It just shows you A&M's science dept in HGH isn't up to snuff .

Look what Jared Allen benched at the combine .

Brisco_County
02-24-2013, 08:14 PM
Tavon Austin is a 1st rounder. I don't see him making it past the Patriots.

aussie_texan
02-24-2013, 08:17 PM
@evansilva: #Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson has been "very unimpressive" in team interviews at the Combine, per @RussLande: http://t.co/iGqS51WOX9

Brisco_County
02-24-2013, 08:34 PM
Utah DT Star Lotulelei will not work out at the Combine after his medical evaluation revealed a heart condition.
Per ESPN's Chris Mortensen, Lotulelei's left ventricle is pumping at 44 percent efficiency, with the normal range being 55-70 percent.

Link (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8431/star-lotulelei).

b0ng
02-24-2013, 08:44 PM
@evansilva: #Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson has been "very unimpressive" in team interviews at the Combine, per @RussLande: http://t.co/iGqS51WOX9

This will be the only thing that keeps him even close to being available with the Texans first round pick.

CloakNNNdagger
02-24-2013, 08:49 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/24/combine-medical-test-reveals-star-lotulelei-has-heart-condition/

Link (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8431/star-lotulelei).

If anyone is interested, I posted on the implications of his condition. I fully feel for Lotullelei.
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2129170&postcount=40

Honoring Earl 34
02-24-2013, 08:56 PM
If anyone is interested, I posted on the implications of his condition. I fully feel for Lotullelei.
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2129170&postcount=40

I guess you could see it as a break that it was found .

CloakNNNdagger
02-24-2013, 09:03 PM
I guess you could see it as a break that it was found .

For sure. Asian American and Pacific Islander men have a very high incident of heart disease with high mortality rates assigned to them.

WolverineFan
02-24-2013, 11:01 PM
Denard Robinson has a ton of speed as well. Wonder who is going to try to teach him how to run routes.

A smart GM would use him like Randall Cobb. Play him at RB, in the slot, return kicks, and try to groom him into a WR.

He's just as big and athletic as guys like Bernard and Randle but is getting no mention as a RB. It's astounding to me.

mussop
02-25-2013, 12:03 AM
Kenny stills reminds me a lot of the kid out of rice last year. If he were still available in the third round I would run to the podium.

Lucky
02-25-2013, 01:35 AM
Kenny stills reminds me a lot of the kid out of rice last year. If he were still available in the third round I would run to the podium.

Who is the guy out of Rice last year?

beerlover
02-25-2013, 08:52 AM
I'm not pulling much information here as I'm accustomed to what's up guys? Is everyone else just busy with work (like me) or school (rmartin65) or just fed up with how Texans finished season? Reason I ask is because it's hard to move forward with how Texans finished year, QB play, ability to tackle in space, finish drives in red zone & special teams play. It's like Texans lost Jacoby & all their mojo from last year, sputtering into playoffs like lambs headed to slaughter. I'm having a real hard time moving on with Schaub & Kubiak specifically. To put the energy & have excitement moving forward thinking about what they will or can do is depressing me. Unless serious results are forthcoming I hope Rick Smith can take a bold move & make necessary changes otherwise I may just become an Eagles, Seahawks or horror of all horrors a Colt fan. :rake:

rmartin65
02-25-2013, 09:25 AM
Grad school. I am going to level with all of you guys- I have not watched even a second of the Combine. Not online, not on TV, nothing. I still read the board, but I am pretty well uninformed on this draft.

I'll still probably complain come April though, 'cause that's how I roll.

Playoffs
02-25-2013, 09:29 AM
Ziggy Ansah, 6'5" 271 4.62 40 yard dash, 1.56 10 yard split. http://localhostr.com/file/5AkTFKq/Smiley-Faint.gif

Dion Jordan 6'6" 248 lbs. 4.53/1.57

Margus Hunt 6'8" 277 lbs. 4.60/1.62

These DLs are faster than some of the WRs.

.

WolverineFan
02-25-2013, 09:49 AM
Ziggy Ansah, 6'5" 271 4.62 40 yard dash, 1.56 10 yard split. http://localhostr.com/file/5AkTFKq/Smiley-Faint.gif

Dion Jordan 6'6" 248 lbs. 4.53/1.57

Ansah is a guy I would LOVE to see us draft. But that's just not going to happen. He's going top 10 come draft time.

beerlover
02-25-2013, 09:52 AM
Grad school. I am going to level with all of you guys- I have not watched even a second of the Combine. Not online, not on TV, nothing. I still read the board, but I am pretty well uninformed on this draft.

I'll still probably complain come April though, 'cause that's how I roll.

regardless you uniformed opinion still carry's weight with me, but here is my question for you- what is easier for you to address this draft, defense or the offense? and why?

HOU-TEX
02-25-2013, 10:34 AM
Who is the guy out of Rice last year?

I'd be interested to hear too. Considering Dillard was the last WR drafted from Rice and that was in 09

badboy
02-25-2013, 10:45 AM
The bad news is nothing better to replace Schaub with. The good news is we can get him another weapon (or two?) and decrease our age & average play & cap (Walter). Almost like the NBA where I hope to get to playoffs "where anything can happen". I am looking at a very heavy defense oriented draft for Texans.

I am trying to decide if Sylvester Williams will be available at our third. ILB, WR, DT, OLB?

badboy
02-25-2013, 11:13 AM
Sheldon Richardson got blasted by Kiper and Sapp. Needs to get good coaching...

b0ng
02-25-2013, 12:19 PM
Damontre Moore is blowwwwwwwing this combine.

Also, since the Texans finished with a relatively low draft spot (or high, I guess, depending on how you view it) not too many people are expecting a big difference maker in the first round of the draft. There's also no superior QB's (like Luck or RG3) to argue about who is better, so there's really not too many reasons to watch.

I think a lot of people were watching the Wideouts yesterday and will probably be watching the LB's today because probably one of those two positions will be our first round pick.

Playoffs
02-25-2013, 12:33 PM
I think this is one of the deeper drafts in years and that there are ~equally graded difference makers from 5 to 25. As a QB class it is weak, but there's a lot of talent this year.

I prefer drafting into depth, and with the number of picks we have a good draft can upgrade us at many positions.

I'd like to see us get better up the middle on D -- S, ILB, NT and add a top WR prospect and deepen our OL.

Underwear Olympics alone, there's some speed out there.

b0ng
02-25-2013, 12:38 PM
I think this is one of the deeper drafts in years and that there are ~equally graded difference makers from 5 to 25. As a QB class it is weak, but there's a lot of talent this year.

I prefer drafting into depth, and with the number of picks we have a good draft can upgrade us at many positions.

I'd like to see us get better up the middle on D -- S, ILB, NT and add a top WR prospect and deepen our OL.

Underwear Olympics alone, there's some speed out there.

There is an absolute TON of speed, unfortunately there isn't as much size as you'd hope throughout the class. I think one of the underrated parts of this class on this board is how athletic a lot of the OT's are. There's a couple of guys here that the Texans should take long looks at to see if they could be an immediate upgrade at RT.

beerlover
02-25-2013, 12:43 PM
There is an absolute TON of speed, unfortunately there isn't as much size as you'd hope throughout the class. I think one of the underrated parts of this class on this board is how athletic a lot of the OT's are. There's a couple of guys here that the Texans should take long looks at to see if they could be an immediate upgrade at RT.

just throwing this out there because I see Kyle Long as a premier LG but how do you think he would fare as possible swing tackle option for Texans, especially RT?

tru80texan
02-25-2013, 12:51 PM
just throwing this out there because I see Kyle Long as a premier LG but how do you think he would fare as possible swing tackle option for Texans, especially RT?

Im pretty sure Kyle Long is being projected as a RT. He looked like he was in good shape & possibly had room to bulk up despite weighing in at 313lbs. Plus he ran real well for being that big. I think he would fit real well in the ZBS. I also like Schwenke out of Cal to play G/C. He too fit the ZBS size & mobility & held hid own at the Senior Bowl against the likes of Jenkins.

TexansSeminole
02-25-2013, 01:14 PM
I know that when Kyle Long was at FSU on a baseball scholarship, he really screwed the pooch with the coaches. Not sure exactly what transpired, but it wasn't good.

b0ng
02-25-2013, 01:24 PM
just throwing this out there because I see Kyle Long as a premier LG but how do you think he would fare as possible swing tackle option for Texans, especially RT?

He's definitely got the size and mobility that the Texans have desired from their OT's in the past. I think his last name is going to end up getting him a higher draft spot than what he would've gotten if he was the son of some joe schmoe, but he's certainly a guy to look at if he's available at the Texans 2nd or 3rd round picks.

Jeff Baca is also a guy I think the Texans may look at as a backup or swing tackle if he's there in the middle or later rounds. (Yes I know he's listed as a Guard on a lot of the scouting sites, but he's got a lot of the qualities the Texans look for in a Tackle).

Terron Armstead might be a guy who has shot up too high on other draft boards, but if he's available after the first you got to look at him as well.

b0ng
02-25-2013, 01:39 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2235055/lolcombine.gif

Te'o with a 4.8 40 dash. Ouch.

76Texan
02-25-2013, 01:40 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2235055/lolcombine.gif

Te'o with a 4.8 40 dash. Ouch.

LOL; that was fun to watch. MSR.

Vinny
02-25-2013, 01:41 PM
Te'o with a 4.8 40 dash. Ouch.

He is shorter, slower, and smaller than advertised.

b0ng
02-25-2013, 01:53 PM
He is shorter, slower, and smaller than advertised.

Yes, he is starting to look much less like a first round lock than what was thought before ND played 'Bama.

Here is another couple of funny moving pictures

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2234189/peytonbinocs.gif

http://i.minus.com/i4orgPllaPFoN.gif

I think the subtle Reid "thumbs up" kills me.

b0ng
02-25-2013, 02:27 PM
http://i.minus.com/i7FVsqw9swwIL.gif

Says it all really.

rmartin65
02-25-2013, 03:02 PM
regardless you uniformed opinion still carry's weight with me, but here is my question for you- what is easier for you to address this draft, defense or the offense? and why?

I probably draft a balance. WR, NT and ILB are the major positions I want to see filled.

drs23
02-25-2013, 07:16 PM
Yep, I like Hopkins too. IMO he is the most complete WR out there. He gave LSU fits, really showed up in that big game, and 18 TD last year is really impressive. The only thing is that I think that there will be many more quality WR in round 2 than quality DT. We need to come out of this draft with a starting WR, DT, and ILB.

I'm glad to see D. Hopkins getting some love. So far, he's my guy for the Texans.

ralph
02-25-2013, 07:35 PM
I know that when Kyle Long was at FSU on a baseball scholarship, he really screwed the pooch with the coaches. Not sure exactly what transpired, but it wasn't good.

Also a big FSU guy, supposedly it was too much partying. But he went to Oregon and cleaned up his act. Wouldn't worry about it.

TexansSeminole
02-25-2013, 08:44 PM
Also a big FSU guy, supposedly it was too much partying. But he went to Oregon and cleaned up his act. Wouldn't worry about it.

Good to have another Nole around. Rep for that.

tru80texan
02-25-2013, 09:04 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2235055/lolcombine.gif

Te'o with a 4.8 40 dash. Ouch.

I'm not if this was that huge of a surprise. Mayock predicted a 4.75, but the other commentators predicted under then that but they thought it would be close to 4.75. I kinda think Minter getting 4.8 was just as ugly. Demontre Moore was HIGHLY OVERRATED. A 4.9 40 to go along with only 12 reps of 225lbs, that's horrible to say the least.

steelbtexan
02-25-2013, 10:30 PM
just throwing this out there because I see Kyle Long as a premier LG but how do you think he would fare as possible swing tackle option for Texans, especially RT?

I know this post wasn't directed at me, but I really like Long though he will probably be gone be #54.

I've got my eye on 2 OT's in the 3rd rd. Fragel and Quessenberry are both tough athletic RT's who would be perfect fits in the ZBS.

Playoffs
02-25-2013, 11:03 PM
Te'o with a 4.8 40 dash. Ouch.
Cushing ran a 4.74 and was 2" taller & 2 lbs. heavier.

Te'o can't touch Cush, imo, but numbers aren't the end-all-be-all for ILBs.

Quick II Draw
02-26-2013, 10:47 AM
Tyrann Mathieu is having a great combine (except on bench) and has Deion trumpeting his approval

The1ApplePie
02-26-2013, 10:57 AM
Cushing ran a 4.74 and was 2" taller & 2 lbs. heavier.

Te'o can't touch Cush, imo, but numbers aren't the end-all-be-all for ILBs.

Brandon Spikes and Vontaze Burfict both had worse 40s than Teo and became beasts.

Rey
02-26-2013, 11:10 AM
Tyrann Mathieu is having a great combine (except on bench) and has Deion trumpeting his approval

Deion was a big keo fan. Guess he's gotta be right at some point...

SAMURAITEXAN
02-26-2013, 11:26 AM
Tyrann Mathieu does look good. May worth 3rd pick. If no concern, probably worth 2nd pick I think.

Vinny
02-26-2013, 11:30 AM
Brandon Spikes and Vontaze Burfict both had worse 40s than Teo and became beasts.
Burfict played on the outside due to injury last year....did very well, but is a natural pass rusher. They may not even move him back inside next season. He is a good example though.

Spikes is 260 pounds and is an elite run stuffer...something Teo isn't. Spikes also has the same problem Teo has in coverage....he's just not fast enough.

According to ProFootballFocus (subscription-only), Spikes grades out cumulatively as just the 29th-ranked ILB in pass coverage, which frankly sounds about right. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1409368-new-england-patriots-the-curious-case-of-brandon-spikes

Playoffs
02-26-2013, 11:52 AM
According to ProFootballFocus (subscription-only), Spikes grades out cumulatively as just the 29th-ranked ILB in pass coverage, which frankly sounds about right.Brandon Spikes is rated 21st out of 53 ILBs in coverage by PFF for ILBs taking >25% of team snaps in 2012. He was worse in the postseason.

Tyrann Mathieu does look good. May worth 3rd pick. If no concern, probably worth 2nd pick I think.

I've met him. I wouldn't touch him. And it's not because he's shorter than me.

TexansSeminole
02-26-2013, 12:18 PM
Xavier Rhodes from Florida State ran a 4.41 unofficial at 6'1", 210 lbs (33 3/4" long arms). He also posted a 40.5" vertical. He is a man coverage guy that really does have the potential to be a lockdown cornerback. Deion commented that he seemed to kind of "chill" some in games when things weren't really coming at him or he wasn't being challenged, and I agree, so he will need to work on that. He is my favorite player from Florida State and has been a starter for three years. At home games, I would watch him ALOT when the defense was on the field. One of the problems he will have with scouts and coaches is that he didn't improve alot from his Sophomore to Junior year. He was basically the same player. He has the potential to be a lockdown corner, but he isn't quite there yet. Overall, I think he fits the Texans quite well but would need to be our first rounder if we were to get him.

Brisco_County
02-26-2013, 01:09 PM
I've met him. I wouldn't touch him.

Details? Just curious.

Playoffs
02-26-2013, 01:20 PM
Details? Just curious.Don't think he's resolved his off field issues -- personal opinion. Add to that he had all this off time to train/workout and he does 4 reps on the bench.

Brisco_County
02-26-2013, 01:34 PM
Don't think he's resolved his off field issues -- personal opinion. Add to that he had all this off time to train/workout and he does 4 reps on the bench.

Red flag. No excuse for that.

Brisco_County
02-26-2013, 01:35 PM
I posted this in the interview thread, but decided it needs to be here too. Hamilton advocates can get excited now.

More Houston interviewees per Walter Football.

Anthony Amos, WR, Middle Tennessee State (EW)
Will Davis#, DB, Utah State (SR)
Cobi Hamilton, WR, Arkansas (COM)
Gerald Hodges, LB, Penn State (EW)
Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma (COM) (INT)
Eric Kush, OL, California PA (EW)
Sio Moore, LB, Connecticut (EW)
Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame (COM)
Kayvon Webster, CB, South Florida (EW)

Link (http://walterfootball.com/draft2013meetingsteams.php).

Edit: I just saw that these were from separate events, as indicated in the key below:

SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
INT - Interested.
VINT - Very Interested.
* - indicates more than one meeting.
# - indicates meeting set up outside of the 2013 Senior Bowl or the 2013 East-West Shrine Game

badboy
02-26-2013, 01:36 PM
Deion was a big keo fan. Guess he's gotta be right at some point...He was a fan of Keo's effort but dude has got to have some skills to play NFL. lol

Dutchrudder
02-26-2013, 02:24 PM
I think Darrius Slay just made himself a lot of money today:

Slay posted an official time of 4.36 seconds in his second 40 run to finish with the fastest time on the day. Slay came to the combine slated as a middle-round selection, but his speedy performance should help him move up boards with the 2013 NFL Draft less than two months away.

Playoffs
02-26-2013, 02:55 PM
I think Darrius Slay just made himself a lot of money today:

You have to pay up for that name alone!

greekdbag
02-26-2013, 03:32 PM
I know this post wasn't directed at me, but I really like Long though he will probably be gone be #54.

I've got my eye on 2 OT's in the 3rd rd. Fragel and Quessenberry are both tough athletic RT's who would be perfect fits in the ZBS.

I really like Fragel...

greekdbag
02-26-2013, 03:33 PM
Deion was a big keo fan. Guess he's gotta be right at some point...

Would you take Leon Sandcastle with the 27th pick..?

greekdbag
02-26-2013, 03:34 PM
Brandon Spikes is rated 21st out of 53 ILBs in coverage by PFF for ILBs taking >25% of team snaps in 2012. He was worse in the postseason.



I've met him. I wouldn't touch him. And it's not because he's shorter than me.

Is Tyran a POS?

greekdbag
02-26-2013, 03:36 PM
Xavier Rhodes from Florida State ran a 4.41 unofficial at 6'1", 210 lbs (33 3/4" long arms). He also posted a 40.5" vertical. He is a man coverage guy that really does have the potential to be a lockdown cornerback. Deion commented that he seemed to kind of "chill" some in games when things weren't really coming at him or he wasn't being challenged, and I agree, so he will need to work on that. He is my favorite player from Florida State and has been a starter for three years. At home games, I would watch him ALOT when the defense was on the field. One of the problems he will have with scouts and coaches is that he didn't improve alot from his Sophomore to Junior year. He was basically the same player. He has the potential to be a lockdown corner, but he isn't quite there yet. Overall, I think he fits the Texans quite well but would need to be our first rounder if we were to get him.

I've always loved Florida State for some reason ever since I was a kid. Maybe because Warrick Dunn was such a badass. I hope they get back to winning titles soon. Jimbo seems like the guy to get them there.

TexansSeminole
02-26-2013, 03:45 PM
I've always loved Florida State for some reason ever since I was a kid. Maybe because Warrick Dunn was such a badass. I hope they get back to winning titles soon. Jimbo seems like the guy to get them there.

If he gives up play calling duties to an offensive coordinator, perhaps. At this point, I do not like his play calling. He is one hell of a recruiter though.

TexanSam
02-26-2013, 03:46 PM
Is Tyran a POS?

Considering that major college football programs rarely kick one of their best players off the team unless it's for a major rules violation, chances are he is.

Playoffs
02-26-2013, 04:04 PM
Is Tyran a POS?No. He's a young man who has every chance to grow up & contribute meaningfully. I just think he's a risky selection.

tru80texan
02-26-2013, 04:08 PM
No. He's a young man who has every chance to grow up & contribute meaningfully. I just think he's a risky selection.

Do you think he's anymore of a risk then D. Rodgers(WR)? They bother seem to be coming clean & taking responsibility for their actions.

In all honesty, my issue w/ Mathieu is that horrible 4 reps of 225lbs.

Playoffs
02-26-2013, 06:25 PM
Do you think he's anymore of a risk then D. Rodgers(WR)?Don't know anything about him.

Personally, I lean more to Mr. McNair's thinking of avoiding problem children. Perhaps one on each side might give a team an edge, but I'd personally choose guys I'd want to be shoulder-to-shoulder with in a war. Cap is tight, rosters still seem pretty small, and this is business.

But, every young man has a chance to change his ways and how he behaves. I don't like the idea of dismissing people altogether. I've seen many men of all ages make fundamental changes in how they think and what they do. Gotta have hope.

I'm getting off topic -- looking forward to reviewing today's Combine participants in depth. Some good S prospects in there.

tru80texan
02-26-2013, 09:26 PM
Don't know anything about him.

Personally, I lean more to Mr. McNair's thinking of avoiding problem children. Perhaps one on each side might give a team an edge, but I'd personally choose guys I'd want to be shoulder-to-shoulder with in a war. Cap is tight, rosters still seem pretty small, and this is business.

But, every young man has a chance to change his ways and how he behaves. I don't like the idea of dismissing people altogether. I've seen many men of all ages make fundamental changes in how they think and what they do. Gotta have hope.

I'm getting off topic -- looking forward to reviewing today's Combine participants in depth. Some good S prospects in there.

Da'Rick Rogers. I apologize, I spelled his name wrong earlier. Anyways, he's considered 1st or 2nd round talent, but questions surround him about him being booted from Tennessee after 3 failed drug tests. Some say he could 1 of the better wr's in the draft, but his character is questioned because of the failed test. I know the Texans pick high character individuals, but this team seems to be gaining players who command discipline from their teammates. At some point I hope the Texans could acquire a player who may have an issue or 2 in the past, but know that type of behavior won't happen as a member of the Texans because of the vets. Other organizations have this such as the Ravens & I hope the Texans are getting there as well. The player adapts to the organization, not the opposite.

TexansSeminole
02-26-2013, 09:51 PM
Do you think he's anymore of a risk then D. Rodgers(WR)? They bother seem to be coming clean & taking responsibility for their actions.

In all honesty, my issue w/ Mathieu is that horrible 4 reps of 225lbs.

That really is terrible. He had all the time in the world to get prepared so it makes you wonder.

Playoffs
02-27-2013, 12:20 PM
Evan Silva's risers.

There is more text in the linked article (http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42630/60/nfl-combine-risers) on each prospect.This is a rundown of 15 players who either helped or solidified their draft stock by testing well at the 2013 Scouting Combine. We'll start off with seven bigger-named prospects before digging a bit deeper on 8-15.

1. BYU DE Ziggy Ansah
...
Realistic Landing Spots: Jaguars at No. 2, Raiders at No. 3, Lions at No. 5.

2. Tennessee WR Justin Hunter
...
Realistic Landing Spots: Texans at No. 27, Patriots at No. 29, Jets at No. 39.

3. Notre Dame TE Tyler Eifert
...
Realistic Landing Spots: Bucs at No. 13, Bears at No. 20, Falcons at No. 30.

4. Oklahoma LT Lane Johnson
...
Realistic Landing Spots: Cardinals at No. 7, Chargers at No. 11, Dolphins at No. 12.

5. LSU DE/LB Barkevious Mingo
...
Realistic Landing Spots: Jets at No. 9, Saints at No. 15, Steelers at No. 17.

6. Washington CB Desmond Trufant
...
Realistic Landing Spots: Dolphins at No. 12, Bucs at No. 13, Panthers at No. 14.

7. Oregon LB Dion Jordan
...
Realistic Landing Spots: Eagles at No. 4, Browns at No. 6, Jets at No. 9.

8. Arkansas RB Knile Davis
...
Realistic Landing Spots: Titans, Falcons, Cowboys in the fifth round.

9. Arkansas-Pine Bluff OT Terron Armstead
...
Realistic Landing Spots: Redskins at No. 51, Dolphins at No. 54, Seahawks at No. 56.

10. SMU DE Margus Hunt
...
Realistic Landing Spots: Chiefs, Browns, 49ers in the sixth round.

11. Mississippi State CB Darius Slay
...
Realistic Landing Spots: Bucs at No. 73, 49ers at No. 74, Chargers at No. 76.

12. Rice TE Vance McDonald
...
Realistic Landing Spots: Rams at No. 46, Bears at No. 50, Redskins at No. 51.

13. Texas A&M WR Ryan Swope
...
Realistic Landing Spots: Bills at No. 71, Jets at No. 72, Dolphins at No. 77.

14. Arkansas TE Chris Gragg
...
Realistic Landing Spots: 49ers, Falcons, Redskins in the fifth round.

15. Cal CB Steve Williams
...
Realistic Landing Spots: Ravens, Steelers, Jaguars in the fifth round.read more: http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42630/60/nfl-combine-risers

Dutchrudder
02-27-2013, 02:25 PM
10. SMU DE Margus Hunt
...
Realistic Landing Spots: Chiefs, Browns, 49ers in the sixth round.

I haven't been following the combine, but what happened here? Some people thought he was a late 1st round pick, now he's a 6th?

Playoffs
02-27-2013, 02:41 PM
I haven't been following the combine, but what happened here? Some people thought he was a late 1st round pick, now he's a 6th?

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva
@IanKenyonNFL If he goes 2nd day, I will tweet that you are my daddy. If he's still available day 3, you tweet that I am your daddy.

I think Silva is definitely gonna be somebody's "boy". http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

greekdbag
02-27-2013, 02:47 PM
I think Silva is definitely gonna be somebody's "boy". http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

I bet he goes 3rd round at worst.

Playoffs
02-27-2013, 03:21 PM
And Evan Silva's "fallers"...

Gotta read the text for these to make sense.

1. Georgia LB Jarvis Jones
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Realistic Landing Spots: 49ers at No. 31, Ravens at No. 32, Eagles at No. 35.

2. LSU DE Sam Montgomery
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Realistic Landing Spots: Dolphins at No. 82, Bengals at No. 84, Broncos at No. 90.

3. Ohio State DT Johnathan Hankins
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Realistic Landing Spots: Packers at No. 55, Texans at No. 57, 49ers at No. 61.

4. Stanford RB Stepfan Taylor
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Realistic Landing Spots: Packers, Chargers, Bucs in the seventh round.

5. Texas A&M DE Damontre Moore
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Realistic Landing Spots: Falcons at No. 30, Jaguars at No. 33, Lions at No. 36.

6. Texas A&M OT Luke Joeckel
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Realistic Landing Spots: Chiefs at No. 1, Eagles at No. 4, Lions at No. 5.

7. Wisconsin RB Montee Ball
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Realistic Landing Spots: Falcons at No. 60, Jaguars at No. 64, Jets at No. 72.

8. Notre Dame LB Manti Te'o
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Realistic Landing Spots: Broncos at No. 28, Falcons at No. 30, Ravens at No. 32.

9. Florida State DE Bjoern Werner
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Realistic Landing Spots: Dolphins at No. 12, Bucs at No. 13, Cowboys at No. 18.

10. Mississippi State CB Johnthan Banks
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Realistic Landing Spots: Dolphins at No. 42, Bucs at No. 43, Panthers at No. 44.
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42638/60/nfl-combine-fallers

ralph
02-27-2013, 11:08 PM
If he gives up play calling duties to an offensive coordinator, perhaps. At this point, I do not like his play calling. He is one hell of a recruiter though.

Just not enough creativity. Dumb plays all the time, long developing run plays when we have a below average line. I'm glad he really makes an effort to run a clean program and keep our guys out of the press but not sure where his ceiling is.

Feel like I clicked on my Warchant tab.

TexansSeminole
02-27-2013, 11:13 PM
Just not enough creativity. Dumb plays all the time, long developing run plays when we have a below average line. I'm glad he really makes an effort to run a clean program and keep our guys out of the press but not sure where his ceiling is.

Feel like I clicked on my Warchant tab.

It became pretty clear that something was wrong when Tricket came in at QB and we ran the read option. That alone should tell you something.

Quick II Draw
02-28-2013, 01:48 AM
I haven't been following the combine, but what happened here? Some people thought [Margus Hunt] was a late 1st round pick, now he's a 6th?

It's just an example of someone who doesn't know what the !@#$ they're talking about. Hunt will be gone by the end of the 2nd round, and he'll probably be drafted somewhere in the first.

They act like Ziggy Ansah is such a revelation...Hunt is just as athletic--but bigger--and has been playing football for just as long (or 1 year longer?)...

SAMURAITEXAN
02-28-2013, 03:17 AM
It's just an example of someone who doesn't know what the !@#$ they're talking about. Hunt will be gone by the end of the 2nd round, and he'll probably be drafted somewhere in the first.

They act like Ziggy Ansah is such a revelation...Hunt is just as athletic--but bigger--and has been playing football for just as long (or 1 year longer?)...

After combine, Hunt should be gone by end of 2nd. I wish we are able to find trading partner to trade down a little and get an extra pick. I wouldn't mind drafting Hunt at all in early to mid 2nd rd. Just think JJ Watt on one side and Hunt on other side. It would be sick line up.

HOU-TEX
02-28-2013, 10:05 AM
After combine, Hunt should be gone by end of 2nd. I wish we are able to find trading partner to trade down a little and get an extra pick. I wouldn't mind drafting Hunt at all in early to mid 2nd rd. Just think JJ Watt on one side and Hunt on other side. It would be sick line up.

It wouldn't be happening this season. I never watched the dude play (obviously, who watches SMU?), but been studying the guy a bit lately due to the hype I keep hearing about him. This guy is about as raw as it gets. He has horrible technique, plays way too high and too stiff. He can't tackle worth a crap, easily juked due to playing so high and doesn't play the run too well at all

IMO, this guy is my definition of a "boom or bust" player. A major project that would take a year or more to develope...if he can develope. Unless, of course, you draft him for his kick blocking ability. I'd pass until the last day

SAMURAITEXAN
02-28-2013, 10:16 AM
It wouldn't be happening this season. I never watched the dude play (obviously, who watches SMU?), but been studying the guy a bit lately due to the hype I keep hearing about him. This guy is about as raw as it gets. He has horrible technique, plays way too high and too stiff. He can't tackle worth a crap, easily juked due to playing so high and doesn't play the run too well at all

IMO, this guy is my definition of a "boom or bust" player. A major project that would take a year or more to develope...if he can develope. Unless, of course, you draft him for his kick blocking ability. I'd pass until the last day

Hype he's getting reminds of Barwin's hype at the combine. The difference is Hunt is much bigger than Barwin.

Brisco_County
02-28-2013, 08:27 PM
So Hunt never played or watched American football before SMU, and SMU is not known for cultivating NFL-ready pass rushers. A good GM won't take him until the 3rd round, but there's always someone willing to pay a premium for an Amobe Okoye.

Honoring Earl 34
03-09-2013, 10:57 AM
http://www.ourlads.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/

Playoffs
03-09-2013, 11:14 AM
http://www.ourlads.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/

This deserves its own thread. Dan Shonka et al provide services to NFL teams. He has been an NFL Scout for 16 years & in the business for 39 years. Much more credibility than the average media mock, IMO.

Thanks for posting.

Honoring Earl 34
03-09-2013, 11:53 AM
This deserves its own thread. Dan Shonka et al provide services to NFL teams. He has been an NFL Scout for 16 years & in the business for 39 years. Much more credibility than the average media mock, IMO.

Thanks for posting.

I kinda thought we had enough mock threads . :handshake:

76Texan
03-09-2013, 12:10 PM
I kinda thought we had enough mock threads . :handshake:

The more the merrier! :brando:

Honoring Earl 34
03-09-2013, 12:15 PM
The more the merrier! :brando:

I used to listen to this guy from ourlads 15 years ago , I thought he was dead . He came up with the phrase " this guys a turd " .


http://www.ourlads.com/jim-sabo-nfl-mock-draft/2013/

Playoffs
03-09-2013, 12:27 PM
I used to listen to this guy from ourlads 15 years ago , I thought he was dead . He came up with the phrase " this guys a turd " .

http://www.ourlads.com/jim-sabo-nfl-mock-draft/2013/

Yeah, I stay with the "official" overall mocks there. Sabo has Quinton Patton, Louisiana Tech & DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson going in the 3rd round??? Pffft.

76Texan
03-09-2013, 12:30 PM
I used to listen to this guy from ourlads 15 years ago , I thought he was dead . He came up with the phrase " this guys a turd " .


http://www.ourlads.com/jim-sabo-nfl-mock-draft/2013/

Who did he refer to? Ryan Leaf? :brando:

Honoring Earl 34
03-10-2013, 04:34 PM
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Links.php