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Insideop
02-18-2013, 10:33 AM
Saw this in the chron today and didn't see it posted anywhere. Article by McLain on the Texans going after a WR in the 1st. Take it for what it's worth!

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/02/outside-receiver-might-be-texans%e2%80%99-top-priority-as-draft-nears/

Playoffs
02-18-2013, 11:13 AM
Time flies when you're :swatter: passes.

Two years ago, the Texans were coming off a 6-10 season and had cap dollars available. They had finished 30th in defense, including 32nd against the pass.

Playoffs
02-18-2013, 11:46 AM
RotoWorld's Evan Silva on Mayock's Top 5 WRs (http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42558/60/mayocks-top-five-rankings)

Wide Receivers
1. Cordarrelle Patterson*, Tennessee
2. Keenan Allen*, California
3. Terrance Williams, Baylor
4. Tavon Austin, West Virginia
5. Quinton Patton, Louisiana Tech

Notes: The receiver class is exceptionally deep. So good players are inevitably going to be left out when Mayock only ranks five guys at each position. Clemson's DeAndre Hopkins was the most notable snub and is a legitimate first-round possibility. Tennessee Tech's Da'Rick Rogers oozes talent but has off-field concerns. Justin Hunter (Tennessee), Stedman Bailey (West Virginia), Markus Wheaton (Oregon State), and Robert Woods (USC) also didn't make Mayock's cut. It's worth noting that Mayock said his "jaw dropped" when recently watching Patterson's game tape. Allen is a possession/run-after-catch threat ala Miles Austin. Williams is a vertical flier. Austin is a human joystick in the slot. Patton has generated comparisons to Reggie Wayne.

Playoffs
02-18-2013, 12:02 PM
Russ Lande of NFP has 5 WRs coming off the board before the Texans pick: (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Mock-Draft-Version-60.html)

6. Cleveland Browns: Keenan Allen, WR, California, Junior: With young talent like Trent Richardson, Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron on the roster, the Browns need to get more weapons if Brandon Weeden is going to succeed in Coach Chudzinski’s downfield passing attack. Allen reminds us a ton of Bengals’ receiver AJ Green and could provide the big play ability and security blanket for Brandon Weeden that AJ Green does for Andy Dalton.

12. Miami Dolphins: Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee, Junior: After trading Brandon Marshall last off-season the Dolphins lacked a top shelf receiver despite the emergence of Brian Hartline. This leads them to select Patterson who reminds many around the league of Julio Jones and will provide Ryan Tannehill a big play target who can open up the Dolphins’ passing attack.

21. Cincinnati Bengals: Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech, Senior: A.J. Green has developed into a premier receiver, but the Bengals need to find other weapons for Andy Dalton to throw to if their offense is going to take the next step. Patton has rare acceleration and speed for a 6’0 receiver and after his display at the Senior Bowl I do not think anyone questions his hands and ability to play at a high level in the NFL.

22. St. Louis Rams (From Washington): Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia, Senior: By claiming receiver Titus Young the Rams showed they are going to take risks in order to find some weapons for Sam Bradford to throw to. That leads me to believe they would be willing to gamble on Austin who has all talent to be a game changing receiver along the lines of DeSean Jackson, but at under 5’9 lacks the height that most NFL teams want in a first round receiver.

25. Seattle Seahawks: Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor, Senior: After Russell Wilson’s incredible rookie season, the Seahawks make a wise move by providing him with another weapon so that he can continue to develop. Williams combination of height and playing speed is tough to find and could help the Seahawks’ offense by taking the top off the defense.

Playoffs
02-18-2013, 02:26 PM
Quinton Patton really impresses here versus A&M:

*21 receptions for 233 yards and four TDs*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUVYuKAjDIo

Reminds me a bit of a guy we have on our team now. Wish he was taller.

Insideop
02-18-2013, 02:51 PM
Russ Lande of NFP has 5 WRs coming off the board before the Texans pick: (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Mock-Draft-Version-60.html)
6. Cleveland Browns: Keenan Allen, WR, California, Junior: With young talent like Trent Richardson, Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron on the roster, the Browns need to get more weapons if Brandon Weeden is going to succeed in Coach Chudzinski’s downfield passing attack. Allen reminds us a ton of Bengals’ receiver AJ Green and could provide the big play ability and security blanket for Brandon Weeden that AJ Green does for Andy Dalton.

12. Miami Dolphins: Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee, Junior: After trading Brandon Marshall last off-season the Dolphins lacked a top shelf receiver despite the emergence of Brian Hartline. This leads them to select Patterson who reminds many around the league of Julio Jones and will provide Ryan Tannehill a big play target who can open up the Dolphins’ passing attack.

21. Cincinnati Bengals: Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech, Senior: A.J. Green has developed into a premier receiver, but the Bengals need to find other weapons for Andy Dalton to throw to if their offense is going to take the next step. Patton has rare acceleration and speed for a 6’0 receiver and after his display at the Senior Bowl I do not think anyone questions his hands and ability to play at a high level in the NFL.

22. St. Louis Rams (From Washington): Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia, Senior: By claiming receiver Titus Young the Rams showed they are going to take risks in order to find some weapons for Sam Bradford to throw to. That leads me to believe they would be willing to gamble on Austin who has all talent to be a game changing receiver along the lines of DeSean Jackson, but at under 5’9 lacks the height that most NFL teams want in a first round receiver.

25. Seattle Seahawks: Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor, Senior: After Russell Wilson’s incredible rookie season, the Seahawks make a wise move by providing him with another weapon so that he can continue to develop. Williams combination of height and playing speed is tough to find and could help the Seahawks’ offense by taking the top off the defense.


Wow! If this is what happens the Texans are screwed getting a WR in the 1st. That's pretty much the whole list of the ones that are good. But, I really can't see this happening. I could see maybe the Fins, Rams, and Hawks going WR in the 1st, but remember, at this point in time, this draft doesn't have the big star impact WR, like AJ, Megatron, Green, or Julio Jones. It has a lot of solid WR's that could develop into some good ones. So the value at WR may be in the 2nd through 4th rounds and some of those teams may wait until the 2nd or 3rd round instead of reaching in the 1st. I can't see the Browns taking a WR at #6 when the value isn't there. They could trade down if they find a partner.

Wolf6151
02-18-2013, 07:17 PM
Russ Lande of NFP has 5 WRs coming off the board before the Texans pick:

Quote:
6. Cleveland Browns: Keenan Allen, WR, California, Junior: With young talent like Trent Richardson, Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron on the roster, the Browns need to get more weapons if Brandon Weeden is going to succeed in Coach Chudzinski’s downfield passing attack. Allen reminds us a ton of Bengals’ receiver AJ Green and could provide the big play ability and security blanket for Brandon Weeden that AJ Green does for Andy Dalton.

12. Miami Dolphins: Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee, Junior: After trading Brandon Marshall last off-season the Dolphins lacked a top shelf receiver despite the emergence of Brian Hartline. This leads them to select Patterson who reminds many around the league of Julio Jones and will provide Ryan Tannehill a big play target who can open up the Dolphins’ passing attack.

21. Cincinnati Bengals: Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech, Senior: A.J. Green has developed into a premier receiver, but the Bengals need to find other weapons for Andy Dalton to throw to if their offense is going to take the next step. Patton has rare acceleration and speed for a 6’0 receiver and after his display at the Senior Bowl I do not think anyone questions his hands and ability to play at a high level in the NFL.

22. St. Louis Rams (From Washington): Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia, Senior: By claiming receiver Titus Young the Rams showed they are going to take risks in order to find some weapons for Sam Bradford to throw to. That leads me to believe they would be willing to gamble on Austin who has all talent to be a game changing receiver along the lines of DeSean Jackson, but at under 5’9 lacks the height that most NFL teams want in a first round receiver.

25. Seattle Seahawks: Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor, Senior: After Russell Wilson’s incredible rookie season, the Seahawks make a wise move by providing him with another weapon so that he can continue to develop. Williams combination of height and playing speed is tough to find and could help the Seahawks’ offense by taking the top off the defense.


If the draft fell like this, I'd have no trouble taking DeAndre Hopkins in the 1st at #27.

thunderkyss
02-19-2013, 08:42 AM
I hope the Texans don't screw this up.

If they see one of those 5 guys as "the" guy, then they need to do whatever it takes to get him. But if that means trading up to get him, he better produce like Torrey Smith or Julio Jones in year one.

If they don't see a guy like that, then use that first round pick on another area of need. ILB, Outside pass rusher, I'd even like to see a dynamic safety or a baddass tackle. or even trade out of the first all together & pick up another 2nd & 3rd round pick.

Insideop
02-19-2013, 08:57 AM
If the draft fell like this, I'd have no trouble taking DeAndre Hopkins in the 1st at #27.

Yes, Hopkins would be a good choice. Though, I can see him picked ahead of Patton and probably Williams. In any case, I still don't see this big a run on WR's in the 1st. The Combine could change this, but the value of the WR group looks like it will be in the 2nd thru 4th rounds (Good depth, no superstars).

GP
02-19-2013, 08:58 AM
Quinton Patton really impresses here versus A&M:

*21 receptions for 233 yards and four TDs*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUVYuKAjDIo

Reminds me a bit of a guy we have on our team now. Wish he was taller.

I bet he's off the board before we pick.

b0ng
02-19-2013, 09:04 AM
I bet he's off the board before we pick.

Agreed.

This might be the year where moving up slightly to get "their" guy might not be the worst move in the world. How much would it honestly cost to move from #27 to say #20?

Insideop
02-19-2013, 09:21 AM
I hope the Texans don't screw this up.

If they see one of those 5 guys as "the" guy, then they need to do whatever it takes to get him. But if that means trading up to get him, he better produce like Torrey Smith or Julio Jones in year one.

If they don't see a guy like that, then use that first round pick on another area of need. ILB, Outside pass rusher, I'd even like to see a dynamic safety or a baddass tackle. or even trade out of the first all together & pick up another 2nd & 3rd round pick.

If there is a run on WR in the 1st, my guess is, if "their guy" is there in the low or mid 20's, they may try to trade up. But, more than likely, they will stand pat and "let the draft come to them," which seems to be Smith's M.O. Can they still "screw it up" doing it this way? Of course! No guarantees in the draft! :)

badboy
02-19-2013, 09:25 AM
I may be reading McNair wrong but he seems to really want a difference maker in a year with no standout pick at #27. As we need so much, I do not see him trading up in first and giving up picks. Option 1 is a vet FA. Option 2 is and most likely is standing pat and hoping someone falls in first or second round ala Mercilus and Reed.

76Texan
02-19-2013, 11:12 AM
There are no guarantee that those five guys will end up as the best five from this draft class. Heck, I won't be surprised if none of the top five is on that list when we look back at it some 3-4 years down the road.

Thorn
02-19-2013, 11:57 AM
There are no guarantee that those five guys will end up as the best five from this draft class. Heck, I won't be surprised if none of the top five is on that list when we look back at it some 3-4 years down the road.

Yep. Just because they look good in college and are rated high by a bunch of scouts does NOT always translate into NFL success.

Wolf6151
02-19-2013, 03:12 PM
Yes, Hopkins would be a good choice. Though, I can see him picked ahead of Patton and probably Williams. In any case, I still don't see this big a run on WR's in the 1st. The Combine could change this, but the value of the WR group looks like it will be in the 2nd thru 4th rounds (Good depth, no superstars).


I agree Hopkins could and should be picked ahead on Patton and Williams. To me Hopkins is either the 2nd or 3rd best WR prospect in this class, based on what I think they'll be in the NFL. 1. Patterson, 2. Allen, 2b. Hopkins. I think there could be a good run on WR in the 1st round but this draft also only shows 2 QB's taken in the 1st and I think there will be more than 2 chosen in the 1st thus allowing other talent to fall to us. I doubt seriously that we trade up for anyone, there's alot of talent in this draft in the first 3 rounds but almost no elite level talent.

beerlover
02-20-2013, 09:57 AM
I find it funny, not for him probably but has everyone forgotten about Robert Woods? Even Mayock? If those "5" are off the board I could easily see Texans buyer for Wood who someone mocked to Texans back in October :logo:

badboy
02-20-2013, 11:07 AM
Yep. Just because they look good in college and are rated high by a bunch of scouts does NOT always translate into NFL success.

But it is all we have to go on.

badboy
02-20-2013, 11:15 AM
I may be reading McNair wrong but he seems to really want a difference maker in a year with no standout pick at #27. As we need so much, I do not see him trading up in first and giving up picks. Option 1 is a vet FA. Option 2 is and most likely is standing pat and hoping someone falls in first or second round ala Mercilus and Reed.A bit more kindling for the fire: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/20/report-mike-wallace-is-the-dolphins-top-target/related/

As to the latter, landing a player like Wallace can generate excitement in the fan base, take attention away from that basketball team in Miami (if only for a day), and maybe help sell some tickets and jerseys and hats and other stuff bearing the soon-to-be-unveiled new logo.

Of course, Wallace and his agent will know that, allowing them to apply a thumb or two (or other appendages) to the scale. Dolphins owner Stephen Ross may not care. He has both the cash and the cap space to overpay Wallace, and after failing in high-profile fashion to land guys like Jim Harbaugh in 2011 and both Jeff Fisher and Peyton Manning last year, we’ve got a feeling Ross will be ready to hand Wallace a blank check.

My thought:
Bowe and Chiefs reportedly working on long term deal, Miami possibly willing to shell out major bucks for another target for Tannehill and Jenning's injury history + not a field stretcher, Texans' options in FA may be dwindling.

b0ng
02-20-2013, 12:00 PM
A bit more kindling for the fire: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/20/report-mike-wallace-is-the-dolphins-top-target/related/

As to the latter, landing a player like Wallace can generate excitement in the fan base, take attention away from that basketball team in Miami (if only for a day), and maybe help sell some tickets and jerseys and hats and other stuff bearing the soon-to-be-unveiled new logo.

Of course, Wallace and his agent will know that, allowing them to apply a thumb or two (or other appendages) to the scale. Dolphins owner Stephen Ross may not care. He has both the cash and the cap space to overpay Wallace, and after failing in high-profile fashion to land guys like Jim Harbaugh in 2011 and both Jeff Fisher and Peyton Manning last year, we’ve got a feeling Ross will be ready to hand Wallace a blank check.

My thought:
Bowe and Chiefs reportedly working on long term deal, Miami possibly willing to shell out major bucks for another target for Tannehill and Jenning's injury history + not a field stretcher, Texans' options in FA may be dwindling.

I think the draft is pretty deep at WR this year and there are a lot of guys who should fall in the teens or early twenties that will fall and I think can still be a solid pick. None of the FA WR's really excite me with respect to how much money a bad team like the Colts will be willing to pay vs how much he's on the field and what he contributes.

I think we'll really get a good feel for how good these wideouts can be once they run their 40's, as this class might be on the small side, but there's a lot of guys with good speed (Woods, Patterson, Hunter, Auston, Williams, Hopkins).

Lucky
02-20-2013, 09:56 PM
My thought:
Bowe and Chiefs reportedly working on long term deal, Miami possibly willing to shell out major bucks for another target for Tannehill and Jenning's injury history + not a field stretcher, Texans' options in FA may be dwindling.
The Texans had no shot at any of those FAs. The good news is that a team that signs a big name free agent WR probably won't draft another wideout in the 1st round. Pushing a better WR down the draft board towards the Texans.

TejasTom
02-26-2013, 11:25 PM
From Rotoworld: NFL Combine Risers (http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42630/60/nfl-combine-risers)


I've seen mentioned several times here.


2. Tennessee WR Justin Hunter -- Hunter weighed in at a relatively slight 6-foot-4, 196 in an effort to improve his workout measurables. It worked. Hunter's 4.44 forty was outdone by only eight of the 35 receivers who ran, and all by wideouts at least an inch and a half shorter than Hunter. Even more impressive were Hunter's vertical (39 1/2") and broad jump (11-foot-4), which each either ranked first or tied Hunter for first in his position group. Despite disappointing 2012 game film coming off an ACL tear, Hunter has vaulted himself back into the first-round discussion.

Realistic Landing Spots: Texans at No. 27, Patriots at No. 29, Jets at No. 39.

Wolf6151
02-27-2013, 12:37 AM
Hunter at #27 is a risky pick, but once in a while you have to try for the homerun by swinging for the fences. This is the reason Rick gets paid the big bucks.

Scooter
02-27-2013, 01:17 AM
i'm watching highlights of justin hunter and would like to get a response from those with more video. every catch i see, even those that get into his body, are all hands. i dont see any that hit his chest or forearms, no cradles in the belly or shoulder or elbow, it's all hands every time - very different from the highlights i'm seeing of others like rogers, patterson, allen, and woods who show more explosive plays. the way hunter catches the ball in the videos i'm seeing is very reminiscent of marvin harrison ... not a "go get it" like larry fitzgerald, but gently plucks the ball however it comes at him.

at 6'4" with wheels, i'm starting to lean towards hunter as who i think we should be targeting.

aussie_texan
02-27-2013, 02:51 AM
i'm watching highlights of justin hunter and would like to get a response from those with more video. every catch i see, even those that get into his body, are all hands. i dont see any that hit his chest or forearms, no cradles in the belly or shoulder or elbow, it's all hands every time - very different from the highlights i'm seeing of others like rogers, patterson, allen, and woods who show more explosive plays. the way hunter catches the ball in the videos i'm seeing is very reminiscent of marvin harrison ... not a "go get it" like larry fitzgerald, but gently plucks the ball however it comes at him.

at 6'4" with wheels, i'm starting to lean towards hunter as who i think we should be targeting.

im a big fan on hunter who i think has the biggest upside to his game out of all the receivers. if it wasnt for the acl injury he would be a top 15 pick.

his a quite lean so his mostly a deep threat but if he can develop some more muscle and mental ability to go over the middle he will be a stud

tru80texan
02-27-2013, 09:09 AM
i'm watching highlights of justin hunter and would like to get a response from those with more video. every catch i see, even those that get into his body, are all hands. i dont see any that hit his chest or forearms, no cradles in the belly or shoulder or elbow, it's all hands every time - very different from the highlights i'm seeing of others like rogers, patterson, allen, and woods who show more explosive plays. the way hunter catches the ball in the videos i'm seeing is very reminiscent of marvin harrison ... not a "go get it" like larry fitzgerald, but gently plucks the ball however it comes at him.

at 6'4" with wheels, i'm starting to lean towards hunter as who i think we should be targeting.

From what I have watched, Hunter does use his hands quite well & not his body to catch the ball. Which is as you stated not necessarily the same case w/ the others you have mentioned. I also like how Hunter does not always go down after 1st contact. He isn't arm tackled that often & he breaks or eludes tackles for YAC despite his slender build. He also seemed to go over the middle w/out issues such as shortarming a catch anticipating a hit. The other players that I saw displayed similar qualities were Hopkins & Dobson out of Marshall. Dobson isnt getting much love as 1st round talent, but he seems to have real good hands from what I've seen. I wouldn't mind Hopkins or Hunter in the 1st.

Insideop
02-27-2013, 12:38 PM
To me I see the Texans doing 1 of 2 things:

1. They see a player they like in the 1st round that can step in and play right away, like Hopkins, who is more pro ready than someone, like Hunter, who may have more upside.

2. They don't see anyone there at #27 they like and believe can help them right away so they pick another position (ILB, OLB, NT, etc.), and wait until the 2nd round to get a WR. In this scenario they may have to move up to get Patton, Hunter, Woods, Williams etc.. The problem with this scenario is twofold. 1st, you will probably have to trade up (losing pick or picks), and 2nd, these players will probably take some time to develop, so they will not help you immediately, similar to last year's WR picks.

My hope is they go with option #1 and get Hopkins or Allen, then start looking to fill the ILB or NT position in the 2nd.

I guess there is a 3rd option, which involves trading back from the 1st into the 2nd round, and this could play out depending on what happens in FA and how the Texans grade the WR's in the Draft.

Playoffs
04-20-2013, 01:31 PM
McGinn gauges WR class with quotes from various NFL Scouts: (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/draft18g-rt9i5uk-203525881.html)

Included is each player's height, weight, 40-yard dash time and projected round.

1. TAVON AUSTIN, West Virginia (5-8 ½, 173, 4.30, 1) - Most exciting player in the draft. "He's a 'Holy (expletive)' player," one scout said. "I don't like little guys, but I love that guy. He can do the same stuff that (Randall) Cobb did in the slot. And he's never missed a game." Moved to RB against Oklahoma on Nov. 17 and rushed for 344 yards in a 50-49 defeat. "You throw that game on, you think you're looking at Reggie Bush," another scout said. "More exciting. I think he's the best player in the draft. Very soft-spoken but he's football-minded. Well-built. It's not like he's some miniature guy." Finished with 288 receptions for 3,413 yards (11.9 average) and 29 touchdowns. Also rushed for 1,031 (9.5) and six TDs. Native of Baltimore. "He is (better than Cobb)," a third scout said. "He'll carry the ball, run reverses, play in the slot and try to match against a slow corner on the outside. You're trying to give him the ability to make one or two really big plays a game. Whether he can hold up is the $64,000 question."

2. CORDARRELLE PATTERSON, Tennessee (6-2, 217, 4.34, 1) - Junior-college transfer from Rock Hill, S.C. "Really competitive, really athletic, really raw," one scout said. "When he catches the ball he never gives up on a run. He might drive people crazy because he will back up, he will run laterally, he will do whatever. I thought he caught it well." Played just one season of major-college football before declaring a year early. Caught 46 passes for 778 yards (16.9) and five TDs. "No, heavens no," exclaimed another scout when asked if Patterson was as good as Dez Bryant. "I don't know that he's not as athletic as Dez, but Dez is freakish strength-wise. He could be really good but he's not very smart." Should be a threat returning kickoffs while learning how to play on offense. "He's the best returner I've seen since Devin Hester," a third scout said. "He's got a background that's a little bit scary but, boy, is he explosive."

3. KEENAN ALLEN, California (6-2, 210, 4.55, 1-2) - Third-year junior from Greensboro, N.C. "Not as dynamic as Hakeem Nicks but he's a good player," one scout said. "He's big, catches the ball and is smart. Not a big-play threat by any stretch, which is what Hakeem gives you." Golden Bears' all-time reception leader with 205. Gained 2,570 yards (12.5) and scored 17 TDs. "Very smooth for a big man," another scout said. "Good hands. Good athlete." Suffered a posterior cruciate knee ligament injury in November and, in a workout April 9, ran 40 yards in just 4.71. "Complete player," a third scout said. "His half-brother (Zach Maynard) was the quarterback and he sucked. Just an awful player. It probably cost him six or seven touchdowns and 30 more receptions. He compares to Michael Floyd from a year ago."

4. ROBERT WOODS, Southern California (6-0 ½, 200, 4.45, 1-2) - Third-year junior set the Trojans' record for receptions with 252. "He and Patterson are probably the two best after the catch," one scout said. Gained 2,930 yards (11.6) and scored 32 TDs. "He was limited by comparison because of (Marqise) Lee," another scout said. "Good avoiding bump. Gets on the cornerback quickly. Quick out of his cuts. Lays out well. He's a speed and quick guy." USC coach Lane Kiffin compared his playing style to all-time great Jerry Rice. "Seems to me everything he does has been manufactured," a third scout said. "There's something missing with him." From Carson, Calif.

5. DeANDRE HOPKINS, Clemson (6-1, 212, 4.54, 2) - Third-year junior rewrote the Tigers' record book. "Real natural receiver," one scout said. "Great ball skills. Natural route runner. Competes in a crowd. Got size, got quickness. He makes himself easy to throw to. He can make plays with the ball. Not the best tester in the world." Finished with 206 catches for 3,020 yards (14.7) and 27 TDs. "Possession guy all the way," another scout said. "But he's got damn good hands, he's big and he's a great kid." Concentrated on basketball in high school, even playing seven games for Clemson in 2010-'11 season. From Central, S.C. "I'm not entirely sold on his hands," a third scout said. "Pretty good route runner. Not a speed burner. Not special."

6. JUSTIN HUNTER, Tennessee (6-4, 198, 4.40, 2) - Third-year junior. "Probably the most physically gifted of any of the receivers," one scout said. "You go back and look at sophomore film, he's special. Long arms. Lean body. Ripped up. He's really got good hands, too, but didn't show it as well this year." Blew out an ACL in Game 3 of 2011 and wasn't as good in '12. "From a skill set, he's probably the No. 1 (WR)," another scout said. "He just drops the ball a little bit too much. At the end of the day, Hunter could be the best receiver in that class if he can put it all together." Finished with 106 catches for 1,812 yards (17.1) and 18 TDs. "He short-arms balls in traffic at times," a third scout said. "Straight-line speed. Long strider. I question his strength and aggressiveness as a receiver and blocker. He appears to have deep speed but he wasn't explosive." Out of Virginia Beach, Va. Exceptional vertical jump (40 ½ inches) and broad jump (11-6).

7. TERRANCE WILLIAMS, Baylor (6-2, 207, 4.50, 2-3) - Spent five years in Waco, redshirting in 2008 and starting his final three seasons. "Coming out of that offense all those guys are behind because they haven't run a lot of different routes," one scout said. "Really strong. His 40 isn't as great as some other guys' but they talk about carrying your pads. That's him. Guys put their hands on him and he's still running as fast. He's just really raw." Caught 201 passes for 3,294 yards (16.4) and 27 TDs. "I don't like him as much as the guy from there last year (Kendall Wright)," said another scout. "He's a deep threat outside the numbers." Calls Dallas home.

8. QUINTON PATTON, Louisiana Tech (6-0, 202, 4.49, 2-3) - Ex-junior college player with whopping production in two seasons for Bulldogs. "Real good player," one scout said. "He's tough, competitive, productive and knows how to play." Two-year numbers were 183 receptions for 2,594 yards (14.2) and 24 TDs. "There's a lot more to him than just being a spread receiver that caught 100-plus passes," another scout said. "He's got the balance and the run-after-catch ability. Good strength. And he's competitive." Carries himself with a swagger. Out of La Vergne, Tenn.

9. STEDMAN BAILEY, West Virginia (5-10, 196, 4.53, 3) - Played in the shadows of Austin and surprised some scouts by declaring as a fourth-year junior. "He's a very smooth, fluid guy," one scout said. "Good sure-handed receiver. I thought he would run better and elevate himself into at least a top second-round pick. Good kid." Finished with 210 receptions for 3,218 yards (15.3) and 41 TDs. Long arms (32 ¾) and large hands (9 7/8). "He's a little stiff and not a real tough guy and not true speed," another scout said. "But he's not a bad player." From Miami.

10. DA'RICK ROGERS, Tennessee Tech (6-2 ½, 219, 4.53, 3) - Dismissed by coach Derek Dooley eight days before the first game for repeated violations of the school's substance-abuse policy. At least one team has removed him from its board. "Talent-wise, he is a first-round pick," one scout said. "Complete disaster off the field." Rated as Volunteers' No. 1 WR in 2011. Enrolled almost immediately at Tennessee Tech and started 11 games last fall. The combined stats for the third-year junior were 139 catches for 2,100 yards (15.1) and 21 TDs. "He's got some Brandon Marshall in him," another scout said. "He's got some self-entitlement, some things that kept Brandon from being drafted high. He is a very good football player." Out of Calhoun, Tenn.

11. MARKUS WHEATON, Oregon State (5-11, 187, 4.43, 3) - Set the Beavers' school record with 227 catches. "He has a chance to be a really solid No. 2," said Phil Savage, the Senior Bowl executive director and former personnel man for Cleveland and Baltimore. "He's got the innate body quickness and good hands, and there's not a drop-off from his 40 time to his play speed." Finished with 2,994 yards (13.2) and 16 TDs. "Good pattern runner," another scout said. "Good after the catch." From Chandler, Ariz.

12. CHRIS HARPER, Kansas State (6-0 ½, 232, 4.50, 3-4) - Spent the first five games of his true freshman year at Oregon playing QB before transferring to be closer to home (Wichita, Kan.). Moved into the lineup in 2010. "More a physical than an explosive player," one scout said. "Most catches are in traffic. Does not play as fast as his 40 time. Good in the red zone. He's not a quick guy." Finished with 123 catches for 1,734 yards (14.1) and 12 TDs. "He's kind of different," one scout said, comparing his build and style of play somewhat to Sterling Sharpe. "Some people think he might end up being a tight end. He's got ability." Paced the top WRs on the Wonderlic intelligence test with 33.

OTHERS: Aaron Dobson, Marshall; Marquise Goodwin, Texas; Ace Sanders, South Carolina; Josh Boyce, Texas Christian; Ryan Swope, Texas A&M; Corey Fuller, Virginia Tech; Aaron Mellette, Elon; Marcus Davis, Virginia Tech; Tavarres King, Georgia; Kenny Stills, Oklahoma; Marquess Wilson, Washington State; Denard Robinson, Michigan; T.J. Moe, Missouri; Rodney Smith, Florida State; Ryan Spadola, Lehigh; Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas.

badboy
04-20-2013, 03:27 PM
thanks for posting.

tru80texan
04-22-2013, 02:49 PM
McGinn gauges WR class with quotes from various NFL Scouts: (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/draft18g-rt9i5uk-203525881.html)

Good info. I just cannot understand why Aaron Dobson isn't getting much attention. I like the guy & outside of playing for a small school, Marshall, he seems to have quite a bit of potential. Very good hands, good speed (4.4 forty), good size @ 6'3" 210lbs, & runs good routes. He & Wheaton were both praised for this at the Senior Bowl & yet he still doesn't seem to get much attention. If the Texans got this guy in the 2nd or 3rd, I honestly would be excited to see what he is capable of.

Blake
04-22-2013, 02:55 PM
Good info. I just cannot understand why Aaron Dobson isn't getting much attention. I like the guy & outside of playing for a small school, Marshall, he seems to have quite a bit of potential. Very good hands, good speed (4.4 forty), good size @ 6'3" 210lbs, & runs good routes. He & Wheaton were both praised for this at the Senior Bowl & yet he still doesn't seem to get much attention. If the Texans got this guy in the 2nd or 3rd, I honestly would be excited to see what he is capable of.

You said it yourself. Small school, potential, measureables. Where is the production? I am not saying that he is bad. I am saying that he hasnt done anything worth talking about just yet. Ive heard bits and pieces about him though. Sleeper type prospect. We will see soon.

tru80texan
04-22-2013, 03:27 PM
You said it yourself. Small school, potential, measureables. Where is the production? I am not saying that he is bad. I am saying that he hasnt done anything worth talking about just yet. Ive heard bits and pieces about him though. Sleeper type prospect. We will see soon.

Well, from what I have read & seen I do know injuries hampered him some his senior season & his QB wasn't all that great nor was the talent around him. I'm not saying the latter 2 were the sole reasons for the lack of eye popping stats, but they can contribute to the problem. From what I saw at the Senior Bowl to go along w/ the limited other film on him as well as what I have read, he seems to have the potential & tools. I like the kid, but I guess we all have that 1 player some may have not heard much about but think highly of...I guess that's Dobson for me.

ASidd_1990
04-22-2013, 03:41 PM
Justin Hunter will go down as the best WR in this draft.

I would :dancer: if we can get him in the 1st round.

jppaul
04-23-2013, 02:04 AM
Good info. I just cannot understand why Aaron Dobson isn't getting much attention. I like the guy & outside of playing for a small school, Marshall, he seems to have quite a bit of potential. Very good hands, good speed (4.4 forty), good size @ 6'3" 210lbs, & runs good routes. He & Wheaton were both praised for this at the Senior Bowl & yet he still doesn't seem to get much attention. If the Texans got this guy in the 2nd or 3rd, I honestly would be excited to see what he is capable of.

I would rather have him than Patton, Wheaton, Rogers or Bailey. For me he is just behind Woods, Hopkins and Allen.

TejasTom
04-23-2013, 06:47 AM
Well, from what I have read & seen I do know injuries hampered him some his senior season & his QB wasn't all that great nor was the talent around him. I'm not saying the latter 2 were the sole reasons for the lack of eye popping stats, but they can contribute to the problem. From what I saw at the Senior Bowl to go along w/ the limited other film on him as well as what I have read, he seems to have the potential & tools. I like the kid, but I guess we all have that 1 player some may have not heard much about but think highly of...I guess that's Dobson for me.

From Walter Football (http://walterfootball.com/draft2013WR.php) ranked 15th best wide receiver.

Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall
Height: 6-2. Weight: 203. Arm: 33 1/2. Hand: 8 1/2.
Projected 40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round (2013): 3-5.
4/23/13: Dobson was held out of the 40 and field work at the Combine. He totaled 679 yards with three touchdowns on 57 receptions in 2012, but only had one 100-yard receiving game. Sophomore receiver Tommy Shuler was the far more productive wide out with over 50 more catches and almost 500 more yards.

Dobson had 49 receptions for 668 yards with 12 touchdowns in 2011. He totaled 44 catches for 689 yards and five scores in 2010.

Dobson put together a solid week of practice at the Senior Bowl.

tru80texan
04-23-2013, 09:02 AM
I would rather have him than Patton, Wheaton, Rogers or Bailey. For me he is just behind Woods, Hopkins and Allen.

I like Wheaton, but he's smaller so I give Dobson a slight edge. As I said earlier I watched them both during the Senior Bowl & was impressed w/ both of them because they seem to have good showings against most of the cb's. Dobson got hurt his Senior season which seem to hurt his production, but the physical tools seem to be there. I also recall that he has one of if not the lowest drop % amongst the WR prospects. So sure hands is yet another added bonus.

bckey
04-23-2013, 04:34 PM
To me I see the Texans doing 1 of 2 things:

1. They see a player they like in the 1st round that can step in and play right away, like Hopkins, who is more pro ready than someone, like Hunter, who may have more upside.

2. They don't see anyone there at #27 they like and believe can help them right away so they pick another position (ILB, OLB, NT, etc.), and wait until the 2nd round to get a WR. In this scenario they may have to move up to get Patton, Hunter, Woods, Williams etc.. The problem with this scenario is twofold. 1st, you will probably have to trade up (losing pick or picks), and 2nd, these players will probably take some time to develop, so they will not help you immediately, similar to last year's WR picks.

My hope is they go with option #1 and get Hopkins or Allen, then start looking to fill the ILB or NT position in the 2nd.

I guess there is a 3rd option, which involves trading back from the 1st into the 2nd round, and this could play out depending on what happens in FA and how the Texans grade the WR's in the Draft.


I agree with everything you said here except I think you have to add Woods to option #1.

Blake
04-24-2013, 02:52 PM
Terrance Williams will go down as the best WR in this draft.

I would :dancer: if we can get him in the 1st round.

Fixed that for ya.

revan
04-25-2013, 02:33 AM
McGinn gauges WR class with quotes from various NFL Scouts: (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/draft18g-rt9i5uk-203525881.html)

Wow, great post.

Corrosion
04-25-2013, 02:45 AM
Good info. I just cannot understand why Aaron Dobson isn't getting much attention. I like the guy & outside of playing for a small school, Marshall, he seems to have quite a bit of potential. Very good hands, good speed (4.4 forty), good size @ 6'3" 210lbs, & runs good routes. He & Wheaton were both praised for this at the Senior Bowl & yet he still doesn't seem to get much attention. If the Texans got this guy in the 2nd or 3rd, I honestly would be excited to see what he is capable of.


I agree , Dobson is very under rated .... I'd take him in the 2nd/3rd if I didnt get either Hopkins or Rogers earlier.


Da'Rick Rogers will go down as the best WR in this draft.

I would :dancer: if we can get him in the 1st round.

Fixed that for ya.


FIFY. :corrosion:


Hopkins and Rogers both remind me a little of Anquan Bouldin. Hopkins is probably the safer choice but if Rogers gets his head out of his ass .... the sky is the limit.

76Texan
04-25-2013, 07:28 AM
Take Mark Harrison from Rutgers late. This guy could end up being the steal of this draft.

htownfan32
04-25-2013, 08:48 AM
Take Mark Harrison from Rutgers late. This guy could end up being the steal of this draft.

And he's been absolved of the hotel room thing too. Big body guy who doesn't poop everywhere. Draft him with our 6th or 7th rounders?

76Texan
04-25-2013, 09:03 AM
And he's been absolved of the hotel room thing too. Big body guy who doesn't poop everywhere. Draft him with our 6th or 7th rounders?

This guy should have at least a 4th round grade.
Playing behind Sanu and with a Freshman QB in 2011 didn't help him.
Then there was that big WR Brandon Coleman that I have been talking about who could be a terror next year and a possible number one NFL receiver in the future.

nero THE zero
04-25-2013, 01:06 PM
This guy should have at least a 4th round grade.
Playing behind Sanu and with a Freshman QB in 2011 didn't help him.
Then there was that big WR Brandon Coleman that I have been talking about who could be a terror next year and a possible number one NFL receiver in the future.

Yes. Next year's WR class is going to have some studs with Brandon Coleman, Marqise Lee and Sammy Watkins.

This is why I wouldn't mind waiting on a WR until rounds 2 or 3 this year if we could make a big move for a true replacement for AJ next year when the candidates are commensurate.