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TexanPride#1
06-19-2005, 01:56 PM
Where's ROSS VERBA :drool: :drool: :drool:

TexanPride#1
06-19-2005, 02:00 PM
If we don't get a good left tackle david carr will be :goodnight

Youngstown Colt
06-19-2005, 02:33 PM
Where's ROSS VERBAFalse starting around the house, and occasionally HOLDING people that go by him on the street.

TommyS
06-19-2005, 02:47 PM
If we don't get a good left tackle david carr will be :goodnight

good thing we havent wasted $35 million on verba then. he's an average LT at best, and i fancy pitts and wand both have more upside at LT than verba

TopTexanFan16
06-20-2005, 09:57 AM
False starting around the house, and occasionally HOLDING people that go by him on the street.

hahahahaha.....man i needed that, thank you. :highfive:

Big B Texan Fan
06-20-2005, 10:58 AM
We don't want him, if we did we'd already signed him cuz noone else wants him. Remember I said in a similar thread that C. Palmer was his HC in Clev and knows plenty about him. Not to mention he's been in trouble with the law.
If you're drafting guys with some history (T.J., Morency) you may chalk it up to youth and something that might be corrected.
But you never want to bring in a 31-32 year old that has recently sparked up some more trouble, especially when they want 35 million dollars.

Vinny
06-20-2005, 11:00 AM
I think we would sign him if we could get the money right. Who knows if that will happen though.

Big B Texan Fan
06-20-2005, 11:02 AM
I think we would sign him if we could get the money right. Who knows if that will happen though.
What would you consider "right " money in a 3-4 year deal

Vinny
06-20-2005, 11:12 AM
Reasonably low bounus money. He is a better Guard than Tackle so I'd want him to get on board with a deal that had most of the money in earned incentives because he would likely be replaced soon at LT if he won that job in 2005. I don't care if they had a contract to pay him 70 million in 2007 as long as it is not in the form of a bonus.

Big B Texan Fan
06-20-2005, 11:15 AM
Reasonably low bounus money. He is a better Guard than Tackle so I'd want him to get on board with a deal that had most of the money in earned incentives because he would likely be replaced soon at LT if he won that job in 2005. I don't care if they had a contract to pay him 70 million in 2007 as long as it is not in the form of a bonus.
Has he played G in the NFL and for how long?
The low bonus $$ makes sense cuz we'll probably cut him B-4 his contract expires anyway.

Vinny
06-20-2005, 11:20 AM
He's just like Pitts in the fact that he doesn't have the body type of a prototype LT. He is the same height as Pitts but 25-30 pounds smaller. His game is more of a nasty, mauling game than one that uses long arms and great feet to finnesse speed rushers. If he was a solid, viable LT the Browns would not be so quick to launch him instead of paying him big time LT money.

F-minus67
06-20-2005, 11:21 AM
He has always been projected as a better guard than tackle but has played LT for most of his career.

Hervoyel
06-20-2005, 11:37 AM
Every time I check this thread with the title "Ross Verba News" I think one thing.

"Hope there isn't any".

I don't think we need him, I don't think he's going to be a positive addition. I'd rather see the Texans pass on him but I will say that I trust them to make the right decision here and if they sign him then they need him. Their needs I'm sure they know much better than I ever will.

I just have a bad feeling about this guy.

throwANDREtheBALL
06-20-2005, 01:21 PM
I don't trust them.

They signed Riley and he's a cancer off the field, and he's a chump for penalties on the field........Verba is better on the field, but, are either of them worth the negative attitude in the locker room.

NO.......but, they have screwed themselves by not addressing the line properly at the start of the off-season.........so, who knows.

mmontgo
06-20-2005, 01:35 PM
I really have a problem with the line and how we are seemingly failing to address the central issues on an annual basis. Now, they have tried to deal with it in the past: with the expansion draft and trying to sign Pace, but they have really failed in this area for the most part. It is the 4th year and we still are having major issues figuring out the line personnel. I really cannot believe we are still juggling our offensive line and trying to figure out how to protect Carr, find more running room and more time...

The next draft will have to be a premiere lineman. Now, there have not been many chances to land one in the draft, because there have not been many...but we really have to fix this as a number one priority before anything esle imho.

Porky
06-20-2005, 02:19 PM
Take this with a grain of salt because the source is Profootballtalk.com, but they posted the following:

VERBA'S $35 MILLION PAY DAY COMING?

Speaking of Ross Verba, he had said that he wanted a five-year, $35 million deal, either from the Browns or another organization.

We've heard that there's at least one team willing to give him a $35 million contract.

The deal would break down as follows:

1. Minimum salary in year one;


2. Minimum salary in year two;


3. the rest of it in years three, four, and five.

Of course, Verba would be cut before year three.

edo783
06-20-2005, 03:02 PM
If it is us AND the signing bonus is held VERY low (3 Mill. ?), then that is something to consider. Who cares what the salary is out past the second year. He would provide depth and possible starting material. However, I hope they check out his lockeroom issues carefully.

royce1054
06-20-2005, 03:28 PM
and what team is willing to give Verba what he wants do you know?

awtysst
06-20-2005, 03:33 PM
What would you consider "right " money in a 3-4 year deal

I'd give him a contract that said he would earn 10 dollars a game. For every false start, he is fined one dollar. For every sack he gives up he is fined 2 dollars. At the end of the game if he owes more money then he is paid, he must personally apologize to every Texans fan in attendence and beg their forgiveness for his hoorendous play.

Texan in Japan
06-20-2005, 04:59 PM
I'd give him a contract that said he would earn 10 dollars a game. For every false start, he is fined one dollar. For every sack he gives up he is fined 2 dollars. At the end of the game if he owes more money then he is paid, he must personally apologize to every Texans fan in attendence and beg their forgiveness for his hoorendous play.
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=133423#

jppaul
06-23-2005, 01:31 AM
So apparently we are still interested in Verba.

www.houstonprofootball.com

U4ikrob
06-23-2005, 05:44 AM
Got this article from espn - Clayton talks about us and the other teams who have made offers and a few more details on all the players cut and post draft salary stuff. Good article says alot of the same info as the hpf link.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2092239&CMP=OTC-DT9705204233

William.carter
06-23-2005, 08:23 AM
Based on the infomation in the clayton article, we have the best shot right now of signing him if anyone is going to. That puts us at an advantage to structure a deal that is cap favorable and give us another viable option for a starting left tackle. Even if it takes a three year deal with a moderate bonus structure, I think the team still gets value for minimal risk.

edo783
06-23-2005, 08:57 AM
In the artical he says that Verba is considered by most to be a top 10 LT. Since when? I haven't heard of him being thought of that high. A solid, sleightly above average NFL LT..yes, but not a top 10. Is he really a top 10?

wags
06-23-2005, 09:04 AM
In the artical he says that Verba is considered by most to be a top 10 LT. Since when? I haven't heard of him being thought of that high. A solid, sleightly above average NFL LT..yes, but not a top 10. Is he really a top 10?

That's debatable, but it has been reported by John Clayton before that "NFL personnel" thought he had a great season last year.

William.carter
06-23-2005, 10:05 AM
That's debatable, but it has been reported by John Clayton before that "NFL personnel" thought he had a great season last year.

He is credited with allowing on 4 1/2 sacks. Not to sound too critical, but how many was Wand sited for allowing?

His personality and top 10 ranking might be debatable, but they guys is a talent to be sought after, for anyway, on the left side.

DC could do worse for people to protect his blind side... I'm confident of that.

Vinny
06-23-2005, 01:20 PM
In the artical he says that Verba is considered by most to be a top 10 LT. Since when? I haven't heard of him being thought of that high. A solid, sleightly above average NFL LT..yes, but not a top 10. Is he really a top 10?If he was a top-10 tackle teams would be lining up to sign him and clearing whatever cap space was needed to do it (top-10 LT's aren't cheap). He is a meaner, nastier version of Steve McKinney imo. They are about the same size but Verba probably has better feet.

Youngstown Colt
06-24-2005, 04:12 AM
Top 10? I'll list mine and I watched Ross "play" football all last year keep in mind

1) Walter Jones
2) Jon Ogden (dwights chew toy)
3) Orlando Pace
4) Willie Roaf
5) Willie Anderson
6) Tra Thomas
7) Chris Samuels
8) Tarik Glenn
9) Flozell Adams
10) Matt Light

Ross himself claims only Pace and Ogden are better than him. Ryan Tucker, the browns RT, is better than him.

throwANDREtheBALL
06-24-2005, 10:21 AM
Awesome, if he's as crappy as you say he is, then Casserly is sure to sign him soon.


Casserly's Offensive line FA must have checklist:

Cancer in the locker room - CHECK

Thinking they are better then they really are - CHECK

Disliked by players around the league - CHECK

Good at wearing out their welcomes - CHECK

Sign with Texans or they are on the verge of retiring - CHECK

Waiting until late June to address the horrible line - PRICELESS

Vinny
06-24-2005, 10:44 AM
Awesome, if he's as crappy as you say he is, then Casserly is sure to sign him soon.


Casserly's Offensive line FA must have checklist:

Cancer in the locker room - CHECK

Thinking they are better then they really are - CHECK

Disliked by players around the league - CHECK

Good at wearing out their welcomes - CHECK

Sign with Texans or they are on the verge of retiring - CHECK

Waiting until late June to address the horrible line - PRICELESS
It's amazing that our Texans fans troll us harder than our rival fans do. Sadly most of the trolling around here comes from within.

Blake
06-24-2005, 11:09 AM
I am by no means educated enough on Pitts, and Wand, and Verba to make an executive decision on who plays LT.

But even with the excessive false starts, and holds, im going with Pitts. I know it sucks to not use Wand, since you did draft him in the 3-4th round, but I just feel that Pitts holds his own, and Wand holds us down.

geofb
06-24-2005, 11:27 AM
It's amazing that our Texans fans troll us harder than our rival fans do. Sadly most of the trolling around here comes from within.

Could it be because Texan fans know firsthand how the front office knowingly ignored a prime area of concern going into the offseason? Sometimes the truth hurts and is not pretty. Some would like to just put a happy face on every move the Texans make. Others are willing to speak up when they think problems are not being addressed. People shouldn't be bashed for expressing their views, even if those views reflect negatively on the Texans. This board would become a pretty stale place if it consisted of 100% silly homers. It already has plenty.

throwANDREtheBALL
06-24-2005, 11:33 AM
I agree, I like Pitts best at LT

And as far as me supposedly trolling the Texans......well, I love the Texans. Its the Front Office that's gotten to me. Its kind of like being in love with a girl and she's with some other guy. And this other guy isn't treating her right. And now that they've been going out for a couple of years, it seems like he's beating her down behind closed doors. Texans being the girl. Casserly and Company being the guy that she's dating.

I've seen the Texans with some serious bruises this off-season......who knows, maybe with enough cover-up and blush, they'll look great by the start of the season. But, it doesn't mean that I have to love the way that she's been treated. I'm not going to pretend that everything is perfect when its not.

I know that Casserly and co. have a lot of backers' and that's cool, everyone in the whole world could say that he's put forth the best effort that he could. But, I know that's not true, so I'm going to tell it like it is.

I don't think that the sky is falling, if we get "a couple bounces" we could even come away with a winning record.

Still doesn't mean that I'm going to say that every move Casserly has done was perfect and that I think he is "one of the best".

Who knows, maybe I'm not a normal fan, but a horrible off-season sure doesn't make me all giddy.

ocd
06-24-2005, 11:34 AM
Could it be because Texan fans know firsthand how the front office knowingly ignored a prime area of concern going into the offseason? Sometimes the truth hurts and is not pretty. Some would like to just put a happy face on every move the Texans make. Others are willing to speak up when they think problems are not being addressed. People shouldn't be bashed for expressing their views, even if those views reflect negatively on the Texans. This board would become a pretty stale place if it consisted of 100% silly homers. It already has plenty.



Yup


:brickwall

Vinny
06-24-2005, 11:54 AM
Could it be because Texan fans know firsthand how the front office knowingly ignored a prime area of concern going into the offseason? Sometimes the truth hurts and is not pretty. I understand you know how to build a football team better than Bob McNair. I just wish we had you running the team because it's obvious that the Texans sure could use you. It's a shame we didn't win the Super Bowl last year like all 3 year exansion teams always do. Some would like to just put a happy face on every move the Texans make. Some like to critique moves after they play out on the field. Frankly, I'm weird like that.

Vinny
06-24-2005, 11:57 AM
I agree, I like Pitts best at LT

And as far as me supposedly trolling the Texans......well, I love the Texans. Its the Front Office that's gotten to me.They haven't even had a chance to show you - the fan - that their moves were good or bad. You just assume that all their moves are poor. Either you have some kind of crystal ball or you are just trolling. If you have a crystal ball...my appoligies.

throwANDREtheBALL
06-24-2005, 12:01 PM
I'm trolling :fishing:


I catch more fish that way :highfive:

Davis37
06-24-2005, 12:09 PM
It seems the closer we get to the season, the more trolls we have on this MB. Im not saying that ThrowAndreTheBall is a troll, but I have seen alot more trolls in the last month than normal. :bomb:

Youngstown Colt
06-24-2005, 12:09 PM
Awesome, if he's as crappy as you say he is, then Casserly is sure to sign him soon.


Casserly's Offensive line FA must have checklist:

Cancer in the locker room - CHECK

Thinking they are better then they really are - CHECK

Disliked by players around the league - CHECK

Good at wearing out their welcomes - CHECK

Sign with Texans or they are on the verge of retiring - CHECK

Waiting until late June to address the horrible line - PRICELESSDon't forget, Verba was busted for having sleezy parties at his house with boarderline underaged women. He's an all around class act.

Tyr
06-24-2005, 12:13 PM
The way I see it?

The front office knows much more than we, the fans, do. Sometimes there may be a method to their madness that cannot be explained in the immediate future.

I will not say the Texans are without their problems, they certainly have them and that is to be expected for a 3-4 year old football team. It often seems to me that the cookie-cutter society fans believe all issues can be resolved at once.

What I do know is that defense seems to win championships more than offense. I know that even though we had some key names that no one wanted to lose on defense, that we still had a defense ranked closer to the bottom of the league. What I saw this offseason? I saw the Texans make changes to that side of the ball that seems to have had more problems overall.

What have they done on the offensive side? Not alot personnel wise. However, as most educated players, coaches, and fans have stated over the years, lines benefit more with time to gel. This will be the first year the Texans give that possibility to the line. What I have also seen is them sticking to their plan and not faultering because the fans are impatient. I see a front office that would rather pass for subpar lineman in this draft and subpar lineman in FA versus making the fans happy for an average player just to satisfy the fans. I see a front office that may have the forsight to see there are potentially 4-5 LT's that may be 1st round draft potential next year that provides a better long term solution than anything we could've gotten this year.

Just because the team didn't address things the way you WANTED, doesn't mean there isn't a master plan that could allow this to work out. I want to see Carr protected from the blind side as much as anybody and the past dictates this year may be similar to the past years. However, I will let the games begin before I decide that their moves, or lack of moves, did or did not work.

Davis37
06-24-2005, 12:23 PM
The way I see it?

The front office knows much more than we, the fans, do. Sometimes there may be a method to their madness that cannot be explained in the immediate future.

I will not say the Texans are without their problems, they certainly have them and that is to be expected for a 3-4 year old football team. It often seems to me that the cookie-cutter society fans believe all issues can be resolved at once.

What I do know is that defense seems to win championships more than offense. I know that even though we had some key names that no one wanted to lose on defense, that we still had a defense ranked closer to the bottom of the league. What I saw this offseason? I saw the Texans make changes to that side of the ball that seems to have had more problems overall.

What have they done on the offensive side? Not alot personnel wise. However, as most educated players, coaches, and fans have stated over the years, lines benefit more with time to gel. This will be the first year the Texans give that possibility to the line. What I have also seen is them sticking to their plan and not faultering because the fans are impatient. I see a front office that would rather pass for subpar lineman in this draft and subpar lineman in FA versus making the fans happy for an average player just to satisfy the fans. I see a front office that may have the forsight to see there are potentially 4-5 LT's that may be 1st round draft potential next year that provides a better long term solution than anything we could've gotten this year.

Just because the team didn't address things the way you WANTED, doesn't mean there isn't a master plan that could allow this to work out. I want to see Carr protected from the blind side as much as anybody and the past dictates this year may be similar to the past years. However, I will let the games begin before I decide that their moves, or lack of moves, did or did not work.

:bowdown: :highfive: :survivor:
that post deserves 3 smilies!

The Preacher
06-24-2005, 12:45 PM
Well said so no more posts on this topic until week 5!! :fishing: No more bored speculation, enjoy the summer fall will be here soon enough.

Vinny
06-24-2005, 12:46 PM
Speculate all you guys want but to just run down the team day after day after day is trolling, not speculating.

The Preacher
06-24-2005, 01:10 PM
sorry to sound so arrogant even preachers in training can be real jerks.

Vinny
06-24-2005, 01:23 PM
wasn't commenting to you specifically....just trying to define trolling a bit. ;)

Porky
06-24-2005, 01:37 PM
You can put lipstick on a pig, but that doesn't turn it into Eva Longoria. :pigfly:

texasguy346
06-24-2005, 01:43 PM
You can put lipstick on a pig, but that doesn't turn it into Eva Longoria. :pigfly:

Once again Porky sums it up nicely, and leaves us with a less than desireable mental picture. :cool:

The Preacher
06-24-2005, 02:30 PM
You can put lipstick on a pig, but that doesn't turn it into Eva Longoria. :pigfly:

What if in a miraculous twist it were possible yet way more beautiful than Eva? That would be worth checking into.

BornOrange
06-24-2005, 03:51 PM
What if in a miraculous twist it were possible yet way more beautiful than Eva? That would be worth checking into.
That is what I would call "boared" speculation. :pigfly:

texan279
06-24-2005, 04:36 PM
NFL | Verba Receiving Minimum Salary Offers
Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:52:46 -0700

Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports free agent OT Ross Verba (Browns) has suggested he wants a contract worth $6-7 million per year, but has seen only minimum-salary offers so far.

:highfive:

jacquescas
06-24-2005, 05:03 PM
i'd give him a 1 year 2 million or so offer, its cap space we are not going to use and has absolutely no long term ramification.


I just think adding more competition going into camp can only be a good thing and there are no gauruntees of being free from injury. Verba isn't bad at all he can play 4 positions on the line which might come in handy.

texan279
06-24-2005, 05:07 PM
i'd give him a 1 year 2 million or so offer, its cap space we are not going to use and has absolutely no long term ramification.

If we pay him 2 mil, might as well sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal at 2 mil and throw in incentives, he probably wouldn't be worth the 2 mil for one year. I mean all he is getting now is minimum offers...I mean like you said, he is solid and versatile, but say we pay him 2 mil for one season and he doesn't see one snap?

TEXANS84
06-24-2005, 05:08 PM
NFL | Verba Receiving Minimum Salary Offers
Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:52:46 -0700

Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports free agent OT Ross Verba (Browns) has suggested he wants a contract worth $6-7 million per year, but has seen only minimum-salary offers so far.

:highfive:

So it looks like Verba will be retiring.

jacquescas
06-24-2005, 06:59 PM
we pay him 2 million for 1 season and he doesn't play 1 snap, well he probably did something in practice and next year he isn't on the books and we arn't gonna sign any more free agents.. we have enough money including the rookie cap, He could be a stop gap until next year when we can more vigorously focus on the position.

texan279
06-24-2005, 07:11 PM
we pay him 2 million for 1 season and he doesn't play 1 snap, well he probably did something in practice and next year he isn't on the books and we arn't gonna sign any more free agents.. we have enough money including the rookie cap, He could be a stop gap until next year when we can more vigorously focus on the position.

Nevermind, I misunderstood your first post, my bad... :dangit:

texan279
06-24-2005, 09:19 PM
Texans | Still Trying to Land Verba?
Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:36:50 -0700

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Houston Texans remain interested in free agent OT Ross Verba (Browns), but are unwilling to offer more than a one-year contract to the offensive tackle. As reported, Verba has said he's seeking a five-year contract worth in the neighborhood of $37.5 million.

:highfive:

throwANDREtheBALL
06-25-2005, 06:53 PM
Why don't the Texans go after OT Chris Terry ?

I know he's got off-the-field history, but so does Verba........and last I heard Terry doesn't want 37 million.

I've also read in a couple different magazines that Terry's footwork is good enough to play the Left side.

That said, I think the Center spot is the pressing need, since Pitts is capable of playing LT.

If it was up to me I'd sign the O-lineman that I thought could best play the Center spot. Whether there is a Guard/Tackle available that can play Center or Gennaro Dinapoli.....really, I don't know who the best available guy is, but if they do move Mckinney out of the Center spot, like they should, then they better have some respectable competition for Washington in Training Camp.

nunusguy
06-26-2005, 11:46 AM
"Here are the top 10 players still available on the NFL free-agent market:

1. Ross Verba, Left tackle: At 31, it can be argued that Verba might be headed for the downward part of his career and might be a risk for the $5 million-plus contract he seeks. What can't be argued is where he is now as a player. He's a top-level left tackle. Some scouting services have him in the top 10 at the position, and for a 31-year-old, that puts him in his prime. The Texans have the best chance of landing him because they have the cap room."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2092348

Texan in Japan
06-26-2005, 06:34 PM
That lists shows we're pursuing the top two guys, but I believe CC is looking at the right price. Whoever flinches first loses. If the FAs wait until someone goes down in camp, they might get more money. If not, we may get opportunity to sign them at our price.

throwANDREtheBALL
06-26-2005, 06:35 PM
I read the list and frankly, I think that this guy is off his rocker.

This list, has Testaverde listed as the 10th most valuable FA. Come on, I'm a fan of his too, but, number 10 ?

The guy's list looks shaky, that's all...JMO


Now, don't get me wrong, I think that Verba is a good player and if he's changed into a classy person all of a sudden, then cool we should sign him. And even if he hasn't, big whoop, we've brought on a couple headcases lately anyways right.........the problem is the $37.5 million that he wants. If '31' is his prime then I'd have to say that he's going to be out of his prime very soon. I've never heard of 31 being the PRIME year........but, OK, I'll give it to you. The problem is still the money......If I own a fantasy SIM league, then sure I sign him.........but, if I'm Casserly, then I have to think hard about the guy 'being in his prime 31' and the amount of money he wants with it. If he takes a small bonus then sure, sign away.....but, he wants his big deal and I'm pretty sure, he wants a comparable signing bonus.

Texan in Japan
06-26-2005, 07:04 PM
I read the list and frankly, I think that this guy is off his rocker.

This list, has Testaverde listed as the 10th most valuable FA. Come on, I'm a fan of his too, but, number 10 ?

The guy's list looks shaky, that's all...JMO


Now, don't get me wrong, I think that Verba is a good player and if he's changed into a classy person all of a sudden, then cool we should sign him. And even if he hasn't, big whoop, we've brought on a couple headcases lately anyways right.........the problem is the $37.5 million that he wants. If '31' is his prime then I'd have to say that he's going to be out of his prime very soon. I've never heard of 31 being the PRIME year........but, OK, I'll give it to you. The problem is still the money......If I own a fantasy SIM league, then sure I sign him.........but, if I'm Casserly, then I have to think hard about the guy 'being in his prime 31' and the amount of money he wants with it. If he takes a small bonus then sure, sign away.....but, he wants his big deal and I'm pretty sure, he wants a comparable signing bonus.

I've always heard an athlete's prime is typically 28-32. Usually physical maturity, experience, and ability make that an athlete's peak. Now, I understand that really good OL may even last a bit longer.

U4ikrob
06-27-2005, 10:31 AM
This was over at Foxsports on players to avoid in FA

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3713828

Tackles — Ross Verba and Kyle Turley
Ross Verba took the Oasis approach this off-season, proudly boasting that he's the best in the game, making some corners of the football world snicker. But, like the brothers Gallagher once claimed, if you tell everyone you're the best, maybe half of them are silly enough to believe you.

However, for those of us in the other fifty percent, we realize Verba is no Anthony Muñoz, and his off-season holdout in Cleveland (before being released) was approaching comical. Personally, I wouldn't necessarily need an offensive tackle around my locker room that acted like he was the straw that stirred the drink. Especially if that drink went 4-12 last season and couldn't move the ball.

Oh yeah, and if Kyle Turley were as focused at staying healthy and controlling his temper as he is at adding tattoos, he wouldn't be on this list either.


Here's more
Clayton article from the 22nd

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2092239

Vinny
06-27-2005, 11:41 AM
I've always heard an athlete's prime is typically 28-32. Usually physical maturity, experience, and ability make that an athlete's peak. Now, I understand that really good OL may even last a bit longer.I agree...The leagues best linemen are always in their late 20's to the mid 30's since it takes a couple of years of mistakes and adjusting from the College game to become a refined product. You just don't see the same speed and quickness across the board in 260-300 pound men in College. Linemen generally don't have to worry about losing a step in thier 40-times, so if they avoid injury they tend to have long careers if they are good.

throwANDREtheBALL
06-27-2005, 11:49 AM
So do you give a 5yr 37.5 million deal, to a guy nearing the end of his prime ?

wrestler4life
06-27-2005, 11:52 AM
The Rockets would.

Vinny
06-27-2005, 11:53 AM
So do you give a 5yr 37.5 million deal, to a guy nearing the end of his prime ?My opinion (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=126232&postcount=3) on Verba is the same as it has always been. That has nothing to do with his age (he could play for another 4-5 years). We could pay him a 700 Billion dollar contract for a million years for all I care as long as he doesn't have a large bonus.

ledzeppelin229
06-27-2005, 12:23 PM
My opinion (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=126232&postcount=3) on Verba is the same as it has always been. That has nothing to do with his age (he could play for another 4-5 years). We could pay him a 700 Billion dollar contract for a million years for all I care as long as he doesn't have a large bonus.

Just make sure that at the top of the "To-do list" it says: 'Cut Ross before checks are mailed'

Vinny
06-27-2005, 12:36 PM
just cut him in year 3 of his back-loaded million year contract. Nothing but the bonus will have cap implications.

nunusguy
06-27-2005, 12:51 PM
just cut him in year 3 of his back-loaded million year contract. Nothing but the bonus will have cap implications.
Right. The guy can have a scheduled salary that has him getting more than
all the money Ken Lay, Jeff Skilling, and Andrew Fastow ever got their collective piggy hands on from Enron, but if it don't qualify as guaranteed its all funny money until he's got it in his account.

Vinny
06-27-2005, 12:52 PM
Those guys would probably make great NFL capoligists. ;)

ledzeppelin229
06-27-2005, 12:59 PM
Yea, I generally knew that's all you had to do. I guess making jokes while I'm at work doesn't go together too well.

TEXANS84
06-27-2005, 03:54 PM
VERBA BLEW IT

If he'd shut his yap and given the new-era Browns a try, offensive tackle Ross Verba would've gotten paid well in 2005 -- more than $3 million.

Instead, he ran his mouth and forced his way out of Cleveland, in the hopes of bagging a long-term deal worth $30 to $35 million.

And now he's got nothing.

Well, not nothing. But close to it. We hear that the only team with serious interest in Verba is the Texans, and they're offering him less than what the Browns paid Verba's replacement, L.J. Shelton.

Don't be surprised if Verba simply walks away from the game.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

mexican_texan
07-08-2005, 10:07 AM
so is he coming or not? I have heard nothing about him in weeks.

TexanPride#1
07-08-2005, 02:23 PM
Verba would be great to add @ a 3year deal worth15 million. casserly will be crazy not to :highfive: if he dosent hell be doing this :brickwall verba is on of the 10 best LT in the game. :drool: Carr without him :ouch:

TexanPride#1
07-08-2005, 02:26 PM
He will come to houston trust me i have an inside source that says so. Casserly will make sure hes here by camp . Remember this thread folks :drool:

ATX
07-08-2005, 03:03 PM
if he comes here or not, the thing to do in the meantime is to say his name but roll the r, so its like verrrrrrrrrrba. god, i hate this time of year.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
07-08-2005, 03:11 PM
Verba will only get the vet min from whoever he signs with.

Ghetto D
07-08-2005, 05:53 PM
He will come to houston trust me i have an inside source that says so.

...so I guess I can go ahead and place my order for my Verba Texans jersey?

ATX
07-09-2005, 01:34 PM
Verba would be great to add @ a 3year deal worth15 million. casserly will be crazy not to :highfive: if he dosent hell be doing this :brickwall verba is on of the 10 best LT in the game. :drool: Carr without him :ouch:


Waste of money IMO. slow, fat, on the downside of his career. and the one of the 10 best LT in the league, thats a matter of opinion. he might be a top 20 LT, but not a top 10. top 10 guys don't stay free agents for long and usually get what they want.

THEFUTURE
07-09-2005, 06:38 PM
Waste of money IMO. slow, fat, on the downside of his career. and the one of the 10 best LT in the league, thats a matter of opinion. he might be a top 20 LT, but not a top 10. top 10 guys don't stay free agents for long and usually get what they want.
name the LTs that are better, not many, top 10 seems about right, he wouldnt have stayed a free agent if he didnt demand so high, and he had been released prior to the draft

texasguy346
07-09-2005, 06:43 PM
name the LTs that are better, not many, top 10 seems about right, he wouldnt have stayed a free agent if he didnt demand so high, and he had been released prior to the draft

We've been over this issue plenty of times. Earlier on in the thread someone was asked to name their top 10 LTs that are better. link (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=134380&postcount=29)

Seems like we keep arguing in circles in this thread even though there is no real news on it in quite awhile. Tends to get frustrating. :brickwall

throwANDREtheBALL
07-09-2005, 06:46 PM
I beg to differ.

The teams that still have holes at LT or whatever Position Verba is supposed to play........would've signed him if he was top 10 at any thing along the line. The teams are going into TC soon, so if they really thought that he was a way better player than someone they already had then they would've signed him ASAP.

The reality is that he wasn't even the best lineman on the Cleveland Browns Offensive line last year. And they weren't that good. So, this top 10 B.S. has to stop.

I don't care how much money he wanted or how much of a whiney teammate he is, if he was a top 10 LT, he would've been signed already. PERIOD. But, the real NFL GM's know more, than the bozo's that wrote Verba is top 10.....therefore Verba is still a Free Agent, until he comes back to earth and realizes that he's lucky to get a top 20 rating.

THEFUTURE
07-10-2005, 12:27 AM
I beg to differ.

The teams that still have holes at LT or whatever Position Verba is supposed to play........would've signed him if he was top 10 at any thing along the line. The teams are going into TC soon, so if they really thought that he was a way better player than someone they already had then they would've signed him ASAP.

The reality is that he wasn't even the best lineman on the Cleveland Browns Offensive line last year. And they weren't that good. So, this top 10 B.S. has to stop.

I don't care how much money he wanted or how much of a whiney teammate he is, if he was a top 10 LT, he would've been signed already. PERIOD. But, the real NFL GM's know more, than the bozo's that wrote Verba is top 10.....therefore Verba is still a Free Agent, until he comes back to earth and realizes that he's lucky to get a top 20 rating.
Verba allowed 4 sacks out of the 40+ sacks the browns gave up last year, so i dont know how much better anyone else is on that line. NFL GMs wouldnt want him for how much money he would want, or the kind of teammate he is... our front office is a very well ran office, and are not going to put any player on the field that is going to make the Texans look like the Raiders version 2.0.. nowadays, half of a GMs battle is with the salary cap, and they can't afford to give Verba what he wants, when Verba first came out, he talked to 5 or 6 teams, and now it has dropped to just a couple teams, because Verba wanted to much. some times GMs just have to bite the bullet, and say they will settle with what they have, rather than put the money out to get a LT who wants 5-6 mil a year

malomar00
07-10-2005, 10:14 AM
I am a die hard Browns fan and have been for years. I'm also a former LT so I spend the better part of every game watching the offensive line and I have to tell you, Ross Verba has lost his mind. So has ESPN if they have him rated as one of the top 10 tackles in the league.

Want to know why he only gave up 4.5 sacks, because the interior of our line was so horrible that other teams would blitz up the middle all game. Garcia was too small to see over them so they would end up beating Verba's d-end to the QB.

I have always hated Verba as a LT, he's powerful enough, and is a decent run blocker but can't move well enough to be a credible pass blocker, especially on the left side. Now don't get me wrong, he would have been a great guard, but he's just not worth a 37.5 million dollar contract.

throwANDREtheBALL
07-10-2005, 12:07 PM
stats for O-lineman aren't that accurate.

I don't care if Verba didn't "officially" allow any sacks.....look at Mckinney, he was our worst lineman last year by a mile, and he didn't get credited with giving up that many sacks.

And I agree that Verba is a decent lineman, and definitely a better guard than tackle.

But, there is no way that he is or was a top 10 LT.

all that said, I'd pay him a lot of money if he could play Center as good as he can play guard.

If we start the season with anyone other than mckinney playing Center, I'll consider our off-season a success.

keyfro
07-10-2005, 12:50 PM
the bottom line is we know the texans would like to have him in as competition at a year long contract for around 1 mil...if that...nowhere in there have they said he would be our starter at LT...personally i would like to see us try the same set up again...wand at LT and pitts at LG...why...because i would like to know 100% that wand is either something to write home about or if we really do need to draft a LT in the 1st round next year...right now we cannot say for a 100% that wand isn't our guy...we really haven't seen what steps he's made this offseason to better himself...so really i'd just like to see how he does...don't really care about this verba character

BigDTexansFan
07-11-2005, 10:06 AM
NFL | Verba not Getting the Big Offer He Sought
Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:53:02 -0700

Terry Pluto, of the Akron Beacon Journal, reports free agent OT Ross Verba </player/453/nfl> (Browns) has not been getting many calls from teams looking to sign him. Reportedly, most of his offers have been in the one-year range, and for not much more than $1 million. Verba doesn't realize how popping off about the Cleveland Browns </team/13/nfl> has led to questions about his character. Teams also know that he missed all of 2003 with a biceps injury, and he will be 32 at the end of October. Verba will probably land somewhere, but not for the big contract he expects. :brickwall

wrestler4life
07-11-2005, 01:16 PM
Thank the good Lord that Verba is not commanding any real $, because then is we are dumb enough to sign him, it won't cost us that much.

eriadoc
07-11-2005, 11:26 PM
Thank the good Lord that Verba is not commanding any real $, because then is we are dumb enough to sign him, it won't cost us that much.

I agree that we shouldn't pay the outrageous salary he thinks he's due, but I don't think he'd be a bad pickup at all. Honestly, which of our linemen would you rate better than Verba? I think I'd take a flyer on Pitts, given his upside and 2003 performance, but not sure about many others. Todd Wade maybe? Wand is going to take another year or two of coaching to sell me on his ability to start for many other teams. Verba is a starter for most of the 32 NFL teams, even if not at LT. I'm sure we could find a place for him on this line, especially if we manage to sign him for a reasonable asking price.

But yeah, he's out of his friggin' mind for now.

Texan Spain
07-12-2005, 04:29 AM
If our problem is the Oline, why didn't they try to change Todd Wade to the left side¿¿¿¿'???? and if we do that, we didn't need to sign "fantastics" LT like Ross Verba

edo783
07-12-2005, 10:14 AM
If our problem is the Oline, why didn't they try to change Todd Wade to the left side¿¿¿¿'???? and if we do that, we didn't need to sign "fantastics" LT like Ross Verba

Unfortunatly, Wade is only a RT. He is average at best as a pass blocker.

dalemurphy
07-12-2005, 10:16 AM
If our problem is the Oline, why didn't they try to change Todd Wade to the left side¿¿¿¿'???? and if we do that, we didn't need to sign "fantastics" LT like Ross Verba

because our OL problem is not primarily the LT position. Our greatest weakness last season were the protection schemes and the interior line.

wrestler4life
07-12-2005, 11:24 AM
because our OL problem is not primarily the LT position. Our greatest weakness last season were the protection schemes and the interior line.
I would love to believe that what you said is true. It would be sad to think that the Texans have the schemes, but asfter 3 full years still have 3rd to 4th rate linemen. What a debocle that would be! :brickwall

Vinny
07-12-2005, 11:29 AM
Actually the pass blocking schemes are what is in question and will make different line calls this year. Dominant Left Tackles take a few years to groom from College and they don't fall off the tree 'ready to eat' unless you get a top-10 player. Free agents are FREE, so nobody forces them to come to expansion teams. It's not like there is some magic well to dip them out of.

Ghetto D
07-14-2005, 12:55 AM
Are you sure about that Vinny? As I gather from this board, not only does just about every other NFL team have a better LT and O Line, but there was at least 5 (or more) franchise tackles in the past draft.

The same people begging for any LT help will be complaining about wasted cap space and calling for CC's head when (if) we press and sign a Verba type for too much.

You know just about every team seems to have their achilles heel. The Broncos can't seem to figure out DBs, the Jags have had issues with DE, the Eagles had to bring in TO to get a decent WR, the Bengals/Cards had trouble with 1st rounders. Perhaps LT will be our constant achilles. I hope not, but I think its worth throwing it out there.

ATX
07-14-2005, 02:58 AM
no no, our achiles heal will always be TE. i seriously believe we made a deal with the football gods before the cowboy game. the deal went like this, " us football gods will give you the win provided you sacrifice a position in the future."

we then said" well how do we choose which position to sacrifice?"

the gods answered," whichever position scores the first touchdown."

so here we are. our future franchise TE gets injured 3 years in a row. thanks alot billy miller.

aj.
07-14-2005, 06:49 AM
there was at least 5 (or more) franchise tackles in the past draft. Curious who you think the 5 (or more) franchise tackles were in the past draft - considering this was the first draft in years where a tackle wasn't taken in the top ten. I guess a lot of GMs must have screwed up this year, huh?

Look at "sure things" Gallery and Gross from the last two drafts and that's all you need to know about the uncertainty of it all.

geofb
07-14-2005, 07:58 AM
because our OL problem is not primarily the LT position. Our greatest weakness last season were the protection schemes and the interior line.

But don't you remember the big hoopla exactly one year ago where the Texans announced we were changing our blocking schemes to resemble those of the Dolphins? They even said that would fit like a glove for Wade who came over from Miami. So with all the hoopla over changed blocking schemes last year, it didn't do squat for us. Why should we believe that yet another change in blocking schemes will work this year if it didn't work last year? In the end, if your line stinks and your front office didn't do jack in either the draft or through trades/free agency to improve your line, the only excuse left to use is "we are changing our blocking schemes". How many years in a row are we supposed to fall for the "changed blocking schemes" excuse before we just wise up (as fans and as front office personnel) and admit our line stinks and take some action to correct the problem?

UberDork
07-14-2005, 08:31 AM
But don't you remember the big hoopla exactly one year ago where the Texans announced we were changing our blocking schemes to resemble those of the Dolphins? They even said that would fit like a glove for Wade who came over from Miami. So with all the hoopla over changed blocking schemes last year, it didn't do squat for us. Why should we believe that yet another change in blocking schemes will work this year if it didn't work last year? In the end, if your line stinks and your front office didn't do jack in either the draft or through trades/free agency to improve your line, the only excuse left to use is "we are changing our blocking schemes". How many years in a row are we supposed to fall for the "changed blocking schemes" excuse before we just wise up (as fans and as front office personnel) and admit our line stinks and take some action to correct the problem?

If I remember correctly, last year we went to a form of zone blocking. That effects the running game...NOT the passing game. It sounds like our problems last year stemmed from Chris Palmer's pass blocking assignments and schemes...We are changing something different than what we changed last year. I seem to remember us having a decent running game last year...You know the part that should have been influenced by the change...this year they are changing the pass protections...hopefully we will have good results...we can only wait and see, but I don't see this as a revolving door "excuse".

Hervoyel
07-14-2005, 09:38 AM
It's threads like these that really drive home just how spoiled we all were by the old Oilers offensive line.

Seriously, is there even a line that good in the NFL today? I'm sure there are a few really good ones like that but man, I so miss having an O-line that you don't even have to think about. One that's just "there" and always gets it done.

Vinny
07-14-2005, 09:50 AM
But don't you remember the big hoopla exactly one year ago where the Texans announced we were changing our blocking schemes to resemble those of the Dolphins? They even said that would fit like a glove for Wade who came over from Miami. I don't remember that at all. I can't remember where we ever said we wanted the Dolphin blocking scheme.

So with all the hoopla over changed blocking schemes last year, it didn't do squat for us. Why should we believe that yet another change in blocking schemes will work this year if it didn't work last year? Well, we had 4 new faces in the 6 line spots last year. This will be the first year EVER to come back with the same cast for the most part. Also, We aren't changing our scheme, we are just changing our protection calls....which is different. The Texans graded the film and saw mental mistakes more than physical mistakes. How tough is that for most of you guys to understand?

infantrycak
07-14-2005, 10:52 AM
But don't you remember the big hoopla exactly one year ago where the Texans announced we were changing our blocking schemes to resemble those of the Dolphins?

Close--as pointed out above they changed the run blocking to a zone blocking scheme which was typically associated with Denver.

BornOrange
07-14-2005, 11:25 AM
Curious who you think the 5 (or more) franchise tackles were in the past draft - considering this was the first draft in years where a tackle wasn't taken in the top ten. I guess a lot of GMs must have screwed up this year, huh?

Look at "sure things" Gallery and Gross from the last two drafts and that's all you need to know about the uncertainty of it all.
aj, you didn't have your sarcasm detector on when you read Ghetto D's post.

Turn it on and re-read.

Ghetto D
07-14-2005, 11:28 AM
Curious who you think the 5 (or more) franchise tackles were in the past draft - considering this was the first draft in years where a tackle wasn't taken in the top ten. I guess a lot of GMs must have screwed up this year, huh?

Hey, AJ - it's called sarcasm. Look it up.

I think they made a good choice by passing on an LT rather than reaching. My comment was directed at people who argued for picking an LT.

Ghetto D
07-14-2005, 11:32 AM
aj, you didn't have your sarcasm detector on when you read Ghetto D's post.

Glad someone else caught it.

aj.
07-14-2005, 11:42 AM
That's what I get for reading only the last post in a thread too fast too early in the morning I guess. Unfortunately, from some of the crapola I've read on this board recently, it struck me as real and I temporarily lost it. 40 lashes.

Ghetto D
07-14-2005, 11:47 AM
That's exactly what I'm talking about. WAY to many people thinking GMs just crap LTs.

Sorry if I was too harsh. Bad morning.

geofb
07-14-2005, 12:15 PM
Close--as pointed out above they changed the run blocking to a zone blocking scheme which was typically associated with Denver.

The report I watched on one of the local news channels a year ago definitely said Miami because they went on to say that it would be a great fit for the recently signed Wade since he just came over from Miami. They didn't say it would be exactly the Dolphins' blocking scheme, they said it was "similar". But definitely the team mentioned was the Dolphins.

My point was that we changed "schemes" one year ago. Now we are changing "schemes" again. Maybe there is a method in this apparent madness that I have clumsily overlooked. First, in year one, you change to a better run blocking scheme allowing you to run better but giving up too many sacks/hurries. The following year, year 2, you adjust by putting in a better pass blocking scheme giving your QB time to throw but causing you to only gain 2 yards per rush. Obviously in year 3 your need to...of course, implement a better run blocking scheme...the same one perhaps you tried in year 1. In year 4 after your QB was nearly disabled permanently in year 3 you will naturally need to...

Doh, I think I've got the hang of this now. :highfive:

wags
07-14-2005, 12:23 PM
The following year, year 2, you adjust by putting in a better pass blocking scheme giving your QB time to throw but causing you to only gain 2 yards per rush.

I'm not sure it was a better pass blocking scheme as much as it was telling Carr "throw it before these guys get you killed." It's going to be a similar theme this year. Not better pass blocking, more of Carr just getting rid of it quicker.

Vinny
07-14-2005, 12:37 PM
My point was that we changed "schemes" one year ago. Now we are changing "schemes" again. Maybe there is a method in this apparent madness that I have clumsily overlooked. First, in year one, you change to a better run blocking scheme allowing you to run better but giving up too many sacks/hurries. The following year, year 2, you adjust by putting in a better pass blocking scheme giving your QB time to throw but causing you to only gain 2 yards per rush. We have the same scheme. We are making different protection calls. The blocking scheme is unchanged. The way we call the protections are the only thing changing. There is a protection call on every play and Palmer makes those calls.

infantrycak
07-14-2005, 02:37 PM
The report I watched on one of the local news channels a year ago definitely said Miami because they went on to say that it would be a great fit for the recently signed Wade since he just came over from Miami. They didn't say it would be exactly the Dolphins' blocking scheme, they said it was "similar". But definitely the team mentioned was the Dolphins.

If you did, you heard a confused commentator trying to translate Casserly saying "we are moving to zone blocking like Denver and we think Todd Wade from Miami will fit real well into it" because Miami doesn't as an ordinary course run zone blocking (all teams do to a degree) and there was even an article on the Texans web-site interviewing Wade about switching to a zone blocking scheme.

Scottyboy
07-14-2005, 08:58 PM
ANyone know if Ross Verba signed with anyone?
I still think he would be a good pick up, with a solid TE.
if we address these two issues we got a real good shot

F-minus67
07-26-2005, 01:20 PM
AP reports when the phone did ring for OT Ross Verba, it was Houston. The Texans had an offer -- a one-year deal in the $1 million range. Not exactly what Verba had in mind when he stormed out of the Browns' facility, even paying back his $450,000 roster bonus to be a free agent.

I found this at :
Verba link (http://www.nflfans.com/draft/article.php?story=20050726050710816)

TEXANS84
07-26-2005, 01:52 PM
He'd be stupid not to take that money.

Its almost the start of training camp, and if only one team is offering you money...well then get there and start learning the system. Otherwise, he'll be sitting his butt at home paying back the Browns.

TommyS
07-26-2005, 03:43 PM
his best bet now is to wait until someone gets injured, or plays badly, in training camp. then he might make a few mil from someone desperate.

but he'll be getting $35M when :pigfly:

Vinny
07-26-2005, 06:17 PM
http://espn.go.com/media/pg2/2002/0312/photo/drevil_sp.jpg

mexican_texan
08-13-2005, 12:09 PM
Any news about this guy?

Ibar_Harry
08-14-2005, 12:32 PM
Actually if Wiegert is out for the season, we might have to consider him again for Wiegert's position or move others around accordingly.

Lucky
08-14-2005, 12:59 PM
Actually if Wiegert is out for the season...
Out for the season with a high ankle sprain? I'm not a Dr., but that seems excessive don't you think?

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
08-14-2005, 01:47 PM
There goes Ibar overreacting again.

Porky
08-14-2005, 02:05 PM
Actually if Wiegert is out for the season, we might have to consider him again for Wiegert's position or move others around accordingly.

I heard Carr got a hangnail. What will we do if the Hangnail won't heal. He might need to go on IR or something. The horror of it all. :deadhorse

Ibar_Harry
08-14-2005, 02:11 PM
Out for the season with a high ankle sprain? I'm not a Dr., but that seems excessive don't you think?

There was some concern that surgery might be required. If so, then he would be out. Sorry, but just reporting what some others in the know have been saying. Quite, frankly I hope Wiegert is not out for the season. However, the point was made that Wade was never the same the rest of the season last year when he had the same kind of injury. The high ankle sprain generally takes a long long time to heal.........................

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
08-14-2005, 02:22 PM
A severe high ankle sprain does take a long time to heal, about 6-8 weeks. Weigert will not miss the entire season.

THEFUTURE
08-19-2005, 01:49 PM
ok guys i have been off in europe for 3 weeks, what the hell is going on with this guy, whats the news that i need to know?

nunusguy
08-19-2005, 02:07 PM
A severe high ankle sprain does take a long time to heal, about 6-8 weeks. Weigert will not miss the entire season.
I'm thinking Tod Wade had that injury last year and he was hobbled and
handicapped with it all season.

infantrycak
08-19-2005, 03:17 PM
I'm thinking Tod Wade had that injury last year and he was hobbled and
handicapped with it all season.

There has been a report that Wiegert has a normal ankle sprain, not a high ankle sprain. Wade did have the high ankle sprain and kept playing through it. If he had stayed out more than a week he might have come back healthier and recovered fully. Sometimes it is probably bad for the teams to let players be too gung ho.

Lucky
08-19-2005, 03:55 PM
However, the point was made that Wade was never the same the rest of the season last year when he had the same kind of injury. ...
Never the same? How great had he been prior to the injury? It's not like he was a Pro Bowler before. Maybe Wade came back too soon, but he was as good as Todd Wade is the last 6-7 games of the season. Todd "only" gave up 2 sacks the last 7 games of the season. All in all, Wade missed 2.5 games, & probably should have missed 3.5 games.

And where did you see anything about surgery? Just after halftime, the Texans issued an injury status on Zach's that the x-rays were negative. Sunday, the prognosis was Wiegert missing 2-3 weeks. I'm not going to do a survey on the missed games due to ankle sprains (high, low, or mid), but if the Texans are saying 2-3 weeks on Wiegert, why shouldn't you & I believe them?

infantrycak
08-19-2005, 04:13 PM
Never the same? How great had he been prior to the injury? It's not like he was a Pro Bowler before. Maybe Wade came back too soon, but he was as good as Todd Wade is the last 6-7 games of the season. Todd "only" gave up 2 sacks the last 7 games of the season. All in all, Wade missed 2.5 games, & probably should have missed 3.5 games.

I don't have any proof for it, but my impression was Wade was not as dominating in run blocking for several weeks after coming back. That was something he does normally excel at.

Lucky
08-19-2005, 04:31 PM
I don't remember the Texans running attack to be that great prior to Wade's injury late in the Viking game. The Texans put up their biggest rushing numbers in the last half of the season. I've seen the numbers that suggest the Texans were a better running team up the middle & to the left side. And that seems to go with my recollection, as most of Davis' big runs went to the left side.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that whether it was before or after the ankle injury, Wade wasn't having a banner season for run blocking. With another offseason to iron out the wrinkles of Pendry's zone blocking scheme, I expect Wade to have a better year. But I'll also say that aside from the 3-4 weeks Wade was struggling with the ankle, he was a solid pass blocker. Certainly the best on this team.

infantrycak
08-19-2005, 04:44 PM
Well to be more specific in my recollection, Wade looked one on one more physically dominant in camp, pre-season and early in the season. The unit as a whole did not look good IMO because (this may not be the actual explanation but the best I can describe it) the OL was firing off too parallel to the line of scrimmage and falling into a giant scrum pile without creating holes or sealing the cutback off. This IMO is part of what made DD and the other RB's look hesitant at times early in the season. Later in the season the line as a whole was firing off less parallel to the line, holes were opening and the RB's looked more comfortable. Wade individually and Wiegert next to him who was also being nagged by injuries, looked less physically dominant individually than before even though the result was better. But hey, that was just my impression.

Jwwillis
08-20-2005, 07:43 AM
We don't want him, if we did we'd already signed him cuz noone else wants him. Remember I said in a similar thread that C. Palmer was his HC in Clev and knows plenty about him. Not to mention he's been in trouble with the law.
If you're drafting guys with some history (T.J., Morency) you may chalk it up to youth and something that might be corrected.
But you never want to bring in a 31-32 year old that has recently sparked up some more trouble, especially when they want 35 million dollars.

All Houston pro sports teams do not tolerate bad apples. Any player that gets in trouble with the law or has a bad team attitude gets dumped. Some get hired out of College but only after talking with key people associated with the player. Rockets traded 6 draft picks for a forward ( cant remember his name ) that had a bad rep out of college. And they got burned. It is revealing that they chose to take the loss rather than stick it out. Only player I can think of that we have kept through troubleing times is Pastorini.

Jwwillis
08-20-2005, 07:43 AM
We don't want him, if we did we'd already signed him cuz noone else wants him. Remember I said in a similar thread that C. Palmer was his HC in Clev and knows plenty about him. Not to mention he's been in trouble with the law.
If you're drafting guys with some history (T.J., Morency) you may chalk it up to youth and something that might be corrected.
But you never want to bring in a 31-32 year old that has recently sparked up some more trouble, especially when they want 35 million dollars.

All Houston pro sports teams do not tolerate bad apples. Any player that gets in trouble with the law or has a bad team attitude gets dumped. Some get hired out of College but only after talking with key people associated with the player. Rockets traded 6 draft picks for a forward ( cant remember his name ) that had a bad rep out of college. And they got burned. It is revealing that they chose to take the loss rather than stick it out. Only player I can think of that we have kept through troubling times is Pastorini.

Runner
08-20-2005, 10:19 AM
Well to be more specific in my recollection, Wade looked one on one more physically dominant in camp, pre-season and early in the season. The unit as a whole did not look good IMO because (this may not be the actual explanation but the best I can describe it) the OL was firing off too parallel to the line of scrimmage and falling into a giant scrum pile without creating holes or sealing the cutback off. This IMO is part of what made DD and the other RB's look hesitant at times early in the season. Later in the season the line as a whole was firing off less parallel to the line, holes were opening and the RB's looked more comfortable. Wade individually and Wiegert next to him who was also being nagged by injuries, looked less physically dominant individually than before even though the result was better. But hey, that was just my impression.

Right side health was a problem last year with the nagging injuries that slowed the starters even when they were in there. I hope this isn't a continuing trend for Weigert, we'll see if he comes back 100% whatever the timetable. They need to get him healthy before throwing him in though or the ankle may slow him all season.

Reddevil63
08-20-2005, 10:30 AM
Rockets traded 6 draft picks for a forward ( cant remember his name ) that had a bad rep out of college. And they got burned. It is revealing that they chose to take the loss rather than stick it out.
Eddie Griffin??

Jwwillis
08-20-2005, 12:20 PM
Eddie Griffin??

Thats it.