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pittbull
06-18-2005, 06:51 PM
Not that I'm labeling myself as one, but if you were the O-Coordinator, what would you do to open up the Texans offense? Key to this post and answer, You have to use the players we currently have on the roster!! You can choose whatever scheme you want, style, and combination of players on the field! This should be fun! Next, we'll try the defense........I'm so psyched for the season!

Grid
06-18-2005, 07:08 PM
I would put DD and Wells in as the HB and FB.. Carr under center.. and Johnson Armstrong and Gaffney in as WRs.

id run alot of I formation.. switching up carries between Wells and Davis... and id throw the ball deep whenever possible. Wells and Davis are also good passing threats.. so if protection looked like it was failing on a deep pass.. I could dump it off to either of them.. or, Armstrong/Gaffney.



I dunno if that would work or not.. but id like to see it attempted.

THEFUTURE
06-18-2005, 08:28 PM
i doubt its actually legal, but i would laugh at seeing the Longest Yard play, where the OL ends up just being the center and the quarterback pitches it out to the receiver, and he has all his blockers out in front.. again, probably not legal, but it would still get a laugh from me

Hervoyel
06-18-2005, 08:56 PM
I'd figure out a way to help the offensive line to block better (in both the running and passing phases of the game) and then I'd concentrate on working with David Carr to get him to look at a wider range of targets in a shorter amount of time. Between those two "tweaks" I think I can safely say that offense would "open up" plenty.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
06-18-2005, 09:03 PM
i doubt its actually legal, but i would laugh at seeing the Longest Yard play, where the OL ends up just being the center and the quarterback pitches it out to the receiver, and he has all his blockers out in front.. again, probably not legal, but it would still get a laugh from me



The Baltimore Ravens tried a play similar to that last season except they had the C and OGs on the line. Unfortunately the play clock ran down leading to a flag but the announcers said it was a legal play.

stx-texans
06-18-2005, 09:08 PM
I like what I hear them saying about shorter routes and keeping in more blockers until the line gets their act together. Lets not forget a steady dose of DD and Morency.

Caz
06-19-2005, 01:00 AM
I'd figure out a way to help the offensive line to block better (in both the running and passing phases of the game) and then I'd concentrate on working with David Carr to get him to look at a wider range of targets in a shorter amount of time. Between those two "tweaks" I think I can safely say that offense would "open up" plenty.
Actually as long as you have 7 people on the line it doesn't matter where they line up.

William.carter
06-19-2005, 01:04 AM
I'd run a series of double TE sets but i'd replace Mark Bruenner with Moran Norris and make Jonathen Wells our new Fullback. better pass blocking on the blind side with a TE that has better hands than Bruenner. Hopefully that would call for more blitzes from the defense or zone coverage to cut off the short/mid range passes and leave AJ with single cover on deep routes...

Big B Texan Fan
06-19-2005, 03:41 AM
The team mentioned that they're gonna use AJ in motion alot this to help break up the double teams. I can't wait to see that.
I like the idea to move Wells to the hybrid FB/RB. The team actually said that we're gonna see that too.
Passes to the TE in the flats after they show to pass block then break away from it. This is one of the most high % plays and we rarely ran it last year.
DD to go in motion into a slot position ala Faulk. Especially if Wells is back there or even better if we go pro-form and have Hollings or Morency instead. Then run the draw (towards the right). We did do the whole DD in motion early last season but it went away @ about week 3.
And of course, more trick plays. Not too many though, just a few more than normal. Even do things like kick the "up the middle" on sides to start a half if we've got the lead.
Start halves with a disguised on side kick.
Put our fast receivers in the slot from time to time.
Start games with 5 WR's to catch the other off guard. Especially if their #3-#5 CB's are less than average.

Just to name a few.

U4ikrob
06-19-2005, 03:53 PM
Wow - talk about your open ended topics. :)

My 2 bits - I would go with an outside approach. Use alot of outs, timing patterns and flats passes, screens, off-tackle runs, play action and pitches. I would try to use the speed of my offense to gain 4-6 yards per play by keeping to the outside and it should be easy. I would a majority of the time try to key the play to the weakside or long side of the field on run plays to give the RB room to make something happen and for slants, timing patterns and outs the time to develop. It's a little modified west coast style of using short to moderate passes to the TE, running backs out of the backfield and hands receivers to setup downfield plays. I would run a 3 receiver set mainly [Johnson, Gaffney, Bradford] along with Miller every down to offset the defense and keep them from Keying on miller everytime he comes in the game. WE need our TE to be very active and involved in the passing game along with our receivers and backs to open up the field for the receivers and the long routes later IMO.

Running game - alot of quick pitches to the outside and in/outof the tackles on occasion to the sidelines. I would switch DD and Morrency every other running down in the game. I would alwyas push them towards the weak/long side to give them room to run and then switch to a different back to keep the legs fresh.

I would use the offenses outside push to make the defense have to beat us by rolling their coverage outside. I push them and drive the defense down the field w/outside slants, screens, rollouts to setup the inside run stuff and across the middle TE and rb out of the backfield plays all day long. Miller should have at least 7-10 rec per game and would open up more field for AJ to play in also down the field for the long balls.

I dont like alot of changing formations, but would rather them keep with a few formations and change plays at the line to keep the defense guessing. Come to the line with 2 calls a pass and run call giving the offense something of a pre-audible call so to speak. Show one look and then shift a back or receiver or TE to a new spot in the same formation and run an inverted play. one down after another to put the defense on it's heels by having 2 plays ready to go. Mix in 2 min drill formations once in a while to put speed on the offense and keep the defense tired and chasing us all day long.

Big B Texan Fan
06-19-2005, 10:51 PM
As much as I hate it when Manning does it, I'd also like to see us use a slough of audibles and "dummy" audibles.

SESupergenius
06-20-2005, 12:26 AM
I'd like us to use more of a KC offense (West Coast variation) where there are good reverses, long passes to the TE and everyone on offense is a weapon. It didn't matter what RB was in there, they were still getting 4.6 yards a carry. I too would like to see a smarter offense by running some motion and create some mismatches. It doen't take a genius to figure out that the way our offense has been called the last few seasons is a direct corelation to the lack of surprise and creativity. Include the FB, create some motion and we'll have a great attack

cred
06-20-2005, 03:33 PM
HI this is my first post and it kind of goes to this question about o-side of the ball. I have seen so many posts about the situation at tight end and I have a question? What do all of you think about J Wells maybe try at tight end because
1) he seems to be an asset to the team be it on special teams or offense
2) I have heard some say he has ok hands
3) If he can block as a fullback why could't do the same thing at tight end as well
4) He is 6-1 245, where as Mark Bruener is 6-4 260, Matt Murphy is 6-5 260, Billy Miller is 6-3 230, and Bennie Joppru is 6-4 262.

So as you can see J. Wells is a couple inches shorter but the weight is in between all of them, if he was to gain, say 10 pounds, would this be an option or not?

royce1054
06-20-2005, 04:37 PM
one thing i would do is i would use backs, WR's, TE's who ever i could think of to do a chip block on the End. That should help Wand out. It worked for New England 2 years in a row why not let us try it.

I would also like to see Wells and DD in the backfield to optimize speed and give an extra option for the O to use. Plus the backers will have an extra key might open up a hole or 2 for DD to break one.

I would like to see some double-tight formation in short yardage situations.

I would like to see some shots down the field on 1st down to all 3 of WR's. Mostly i would like to see Bradford get some more chances. If not maybe he can take the double team away from Johnson and maybe he can break one for long yardage.

I would also like to see Miller, Bruener and Rivers get some more passes to open us the WR keep the LB honest.

after DD gets his carries lets do some playaction.

I would also like to see some more I, off set formations as well as the 3 Wide and double tight as previously stated.

eriadoc
06-21-2005, 05:15 AM
1) Carr is not Elway...he will never be Elway so the philosophy of going long downfield is extremely STUPID! Carr is a west coast type QB. Amazing how were into our 4th year and were only starting to "shorten up the routes" or going to rely on "quick passing attack". Makes me wonder about our coaches muahahahahah......

I'm curious as to how you come to this conclusion. Carr has shown a very strong arm and accuracy. With Johnson able to go get many balls, Carr just has to throw to a spot the defender can't get (when he's going to Johnson). I'm not saying Carr is the next Elway -- they each will have their own style, to be sure. But it sounds as if you're discounting Carr's arm strength and/or ability to go deep. I would have to dispute your conclusion.

As to the original question, I would really love to see AJ used more in motion slants and drag routes, a la Jerry Rice. He has the speed, he has the size to break a tackle here and there, and Carr has shown he can gun it into tight spots. I would certainly like to see a fullback utilized in most formations. I also think we need to get our O-line moving a lot more on run plays. We have a pretty athletic line. On a side note, it would be nice to see Starling develop into a legitimate deep threat. He has the speed, but we'll have to see if he develops into an NFL receiver. I know Starling ran a 40 time somewhere in the 4.28 range -- does anyone know Mathis' time?

Davis37
06-21-2005, 07:26 AM
Mathis ran a 4.26 I believe

Runner
06-21-2005, 09:10 AM
More quick slants to Dre - let him use his speed and tackle breaking power on quick hitting routes.

El Tejano
06-21-2005, 09:23 AM
If you remember the game against Minn., the only person I kept thinking of while watching Carr play was Elway. In one series, he takes a hard hit and comes out of the game, comes back in and throws a first down. He had no quit in him and I think that is why I thought of Elway. To me that game has been the best game I have seen Carr play.

But to answer the question of what I would do to the offense is, involve a more ball controlling passing game.

DominatorDavis
06-21-2005, 10:09 AM
I'd run a series of double TE sets but i'd replace Mark Bruenner with Moran Norris and make Jonathen Wells our new Fullback. better pass blocking on the blind side with a TE that has better hands than Bruenner. Hopefully that would call for more blitzes from the defense or zone coverage to cut off the short/mid range passes and leave AJ with single cover on deep routes...

NO.

Joppru is killin us. Jeeze.

Wells is not a fullback. Why do people have this idea of Wells being a fullback? I am amazed. We have Norris and Baxter for blocking.

Another year in the zone blocking will help this offensive line as well as the running backs picking up chip blocks and outright straight blocking assignments. McKinney and Wand are both average linemen and either need to play better this year or get replaced.

Quicker passes from Carr will help. Carr also needs to be smarter about pocket play - sliding from side to side and stepping into the pocket verses sprinting out of it on a roll out and getting sacked or pressured by a defender that has "broken free". I saw that a number of times last year and could only bury my face in my hands.

Not only that but Carr needs to be more creative when he is flushed out of the pocket.

Just some morning thoughts....

William.carter
06-21-2005, 11:21 AM
Wells is not a fullback. Why do people have this idea of Wells being a fullback? I am amazed. We have Norris and Baxter for blocking.


The coaching staff thought enough of Wells to take a look at him at fullback during the camps so far. He has good lead blocking skills and good hands. They seem to be focused on multi-purpose talent this year. IMO... which is what this thread was about... Wells could do the job and Do it well. And I fully intend to take advantage of Norris' blocking abilities. On the line, where Carr needs it.

again... In my opinion

infantrycak
06-21-2005, 01:11 PM
Wells is not a fullback. Why do people have this idea of Wells being a fullback? I am amazed. We have Norris and Baxter for blocking.

I suspect when the regular season starts your last sentence will read we have Norris for blocking and Wells as an emergency back-up--I'm betting on Baxter getting released. Wells is probably just being tried out at FB to see if he can be an emergency FB making Baxter expendible. Wells has the size to be a FB but even though he ran harder last year, that was harder than his tutu running the 1st year. JMO, but he will never be a mauling lead blocker like Norris who is a very solid to excelling blocker.