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srrono
02-09-2013, 10:33 PM
5. Mike Brisiel: Brisiel will count approximately $4.4 million toward the cap in 2013, and he did little this year to justify even a fourth of that amount. Injured most of the year, he played poorly when he did play. Combine that with the fact that we will move back away from the ZBS this year, and the writing is on the wall. Brisiel will be gone, and I doubt seriously they will be able to get anything for him in a trade. It is time to cut bait on this one and move on.

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JCTexan
02-09-2013, 10:36 PM
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Tempting, but I think Ben Jones & Brandon Brooks will do just fine next year.

powda
02-09-2013, 10:40 PM
Depends on his cost and health...i'd definetly give it a look. A vet who knows the system and performed well for us just a year or so ago? Pick up the phone.

srrono
02-09-2013, 10:50 PM
Depends on his cost and health...i'd definetly give it a look. A vet who knows the system and performed well for us just a year or so ago? Pick up the phone.

If OAK cuts him with the off year maybe he doesnt get that big money offer so HOU could get him back here at a reasonable rate 1 or 2 year deal. Then again JAGs could grab him with them going to ZBS this year. I would like to see HOU cut G Wade Smith then bring back Brisiel and let Jones and Brooks compete to start at other G spot.

Vance87
02-09-2013, 10:53 PM
Pretty interesting to note that both Brisiel and Winston underperformed in their first years away from the Texans, after being a part of one of the best O-lines in the league.

Is our system that good, or was it unfamiliarity with their new teams?

powda
02-09-2013, 11:01 PM
Pretty interesting to note that both Brisiel and Winston underperformed in their first years away from the Texans, after being a part of one of the best O-lines in the league.

Is our system that good, or was it unfamiliarity with their new teams?

I wasn't sure what kind of year Winston had. I knew jamal charles had a pretty decent year and I assumed some part of that was due to winston.

Texn4life
02-09-2013, 11:12 PM
I think familiarity with the system and players/coaches around him had a lot to do with Brisiel's success here. I never viewed him as an all world Lineman while he was a Texan. His toughness was nice to have and he was great at combo blocks here, but he still lacked in some other areas. I wouldn't be against bringing him back and letting Wade walk though.

CloakNNNdagger
02-09-2013, 11:14 PM
I guess some of you don't know his history (including his recent one). You might want to catch up with what's happened to him since he left us. Looks like he got the Texans' extra special Dominique Davis treatment.

Raiders mishandled Tony Bergstrom, Mike Brisiel (http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/1/18/3891768/oakland-raiders-mishandled-bergstrom-brisiel)

By Levi Damien on Jan 18, 1:11p 95

Kirby Lee-US PRESSWIRE

Reggie McKenzie revealed Thursday that right guard Mike Brisiel's ankle injury was more serious than previously let on. Even so, we didn't see much of their top rookie, Tony Bergstrom.

The Raiders offensive line struggled all season in 2012. They were routinely beaten on the block which resulted in a very little room to run and considerable pressure being put on Carson Palmer.

One of the main culprits of these run stuffs and pressures was newly acquired Mike Brisiel. He was the biggest free agent signing by the Raiders this offseason and coming from a zone blocking scheme in Houston made it all the more odd that he was struggling as much as he was.

Brisiel's primary knock was his inability to stay healthy. He has never played an entire season in the NFL and twice been placed on injured reserve. Reggie McKenzie has said before that injury history is a major concern for him when drafting a player but based on many of his free agent signings last offseason, it doesn't apply across the board.

Shawntae Spencer and Ron Bartell are two examples of players he signed who had injury histories and both were injured in the first two weeks of the season. Both were placed on IR and Bartell was eventually released. Brisiel played all season but to the detriment of his performance.

"You don't sign guys thinking they're going to get injured," Said McKenzie. "You try to look at the history and go from there. Even with big Mike Brisiel, he had a bad ankle and it got worse and worse. We had to do major surgery here at the end of the season with him. He's going to be working to get back in full.

"(It affected his play) a lot. He couldn't drive off of it like he would like. But he had a bum ankle... It was an ongoing deal. He had a whole lot of nicks throughout the season."

When a team gets to the point where a player is in such bad shape he needs "major surgery", there should have come a time well before that point in which he should have been shut down.

This holds especially true when you have the team's top draft pick waiting for his shot.

infantrycak
02-09-2013, 11:29 PM
This is a very simple rule. If a FA is not specifically mentioned as a target of the Texans the discussion goes in the NFL forum. Please place things like this in the NFL forum.

tru80texan
02-09-2013, 11:31 PM
I wasn't sure what kind of year Winston had. I knew jamal charles had a pretty decent year and I assumed some part of that was due to winston.

It's the classic "bash the ex-Texan" silliness imo. I haven't seen too many complaints concerning Winston's play this past season & as you stated Charles was playing very well running behind him. I think some of that could easily be attributed to Winston. Briesel is a victim of circumstance imo. The Raiders are moving away from the ZBS because their future bust McFadden didn't flourish in it. I'm not saying Briesel had a great season but Reece was productive behind Briesel & in the ZBS in Oakland which seems to point to the fact that some RB's just aren't made for it. McFadden seems to be the issue here more then Briesel.

Its just easier for some to bash the ex-texan & assume that they failed as opposed to acknowledging the whole situation that they are dealing with.

srrono
02-09-2013, 11:42 PM
This is a very simple rule. If a FA is not specifically mentioned as a target of the Texans the discussion goes in the NFL forum. Please place things like this in the NFL forum.

My bad wont happen again

Hagar
02-10-2013, 12:11 AM
Obviously, it depends on price and health, but our ROG position sucked rocks hard! If we can get him, we should.

Nawzer
02-10-2013, 12:36 AM
I would like to see the Texans bring back Brisiel if he's cut. The right side of the line was average to below average this year. Granted we played young and inexperienced guys, but Brisiel was part of one of the best if not the best line in the NFL 2 seasons ago.

badboy
02-11-2013, 03:24 PM
No. Brooks resolves RG in 2013. I think we draft another OG high 2014.

Dutchrudder
02-11-2013, 03:41 PM
I would absolutely love to bring him in for cheap and let him compete for either guard position. If he were able to take 1-2 million a year, it would be a no-brainer. There's no question he was overpaid by the Raiders, who were hoping to overhaul their protection schemes last year. He no longer fits, and they want to bail on him, so we might luck out. It all depends on how the rest of the league views him. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Jags and Seahawks make a bid for him though, so I don't know how much he will be offered.

Trap_Star
02-11-2013, 03:44 PM
Wouldn't mind seeing Brooks try out at LG, and bring Brisel to rotate with Jones at RG. Still need to draft another G high IMO tho.

gwallaia
02-11-2013, 03:57 PM
Have we ever had a former Texan player come back here to play?

ChampionTexan
02-11-2013, 04:55 PM
Have we ever had a former Texan player come back here to play?

There have been a few, they've just been kind of underwhelming. David Anderson comes to mind first. Troy Nolan is another.

steelbtexan
02-11-2013, 05:17 PM
I guess some of you don't know his history (including his recent one). You might want to catch up with what's happened to him since he left us. Looks like he got the Texans' extra special Dominique Davis treatment.

When a team gets to the point where a player is in such bad shape he needs "major surgery", there should have come a time well before that point in which he should have been shut down.

This holds especially true when you have the team's top draft pick waiting for his shot.
This is why I've reconsidered on Harvin, Doc said Harvin had an ankle injury similar to Briesel's. Only they shut Harvin down so he probably has much less extensive damage than Briesel at this point.

Personallyl I would stay away from both of them. But if yuor were against getting Harvin then you should definitely be against getting Briesel

dc_txtech
02-11-2013, 07:19 PM
This is why I've reconsidered on Harvin, Doc said Harvin had an ankle injury similar to Briesel's. Only they shut Harvin down so he probably has much less extensive damage than Briesel at this point.

Personallyl I would stay away from both of them. But if yuor were against getting Harvin then you should definitely be against getting Briesel

Briesel isn't going to get paid 10million a year.

steelbtexan
02-11-2013, 07:59 PM
Briesel isn't going to get paid 10million a year.

Point is that Briesel is done. Because the Oakland docs let him play when they shouldn't have.

What gets me is people having problems with BoB paying Harvin. They act like it's their $$$$. Deals like the on Harvin wants gets done every yr. In fact it seems like one of the teams the Texans are paying are willing to trade for Harvin and pay him. (Pats)

That mentality is why the Pats are ahead and will stay ahead of the Texans.

BTW, I wouldn't sign Harvin due to his injury problems.

thunderkyss
02-11-2013, 08:14 PM
It's the classic "bash the ex-Texan" silliness imo. I haven't seen too many complaints concerning Winston's play this past season & as you stated Charles was playing very well running behind him.

What did you think of Newton/Harris & Jones/Brooks?


85 yards & 10 TDs that's the what separates Charles & Foster this season. Charles ran for 85 more yards & Arian had 10 more TDs.

Just to illustrate there can be "issues" on the OL & still have a badass running the ball.

BTW, I don't think there is a problem with Winston's play side run blocking. I even think that is easiest for young players to pick up. There's not a whole lot of difference between the ZBS & a power scheme on the play side of a stretch play.

I don't think Winston was the most willing cut blocker. I feel his play on the backside improved 10 fold since his rookie year, but I felt he is a reluctant cut blocker, he'll do it if he got beat, but it was always, imo, a day late & a dollar short.

But my biggest criticism of Winston was his pass blocking. I thought Butler was easily better & a rookie couldn't be much worse.

Corrosion
02-11-2013, 08:14 PM
Tempting, but I think Ben Jones & Brandon Brooks will do just fine next year.

Jones and Brooks were abyssmal for the most part last season , Caldwell was even worse.

I was high on Jones early in the year but .... its obvious that both RT and RG were belo0w average run blocking and Newton was pathetic in the screen game (Jones was solid there).

thunderkyss
02-11-2013, 08:25 PM
What gets me is people having problems with BoB paying Harvin. They act like it's their $$$$. Deals like the on Harvin wants gets done every yr. In fact it seems like one of the teams the Texans are paying are willing to trade for Harvin and pay him. (Pats)


I'm just speaking for myself. If it were just the money I'd have an issue paying Harvin $10M/yr. I wouldn't have a problem giving him $10M guaranteed over 3 years. I wouldn't have a problem giving him $15M guaranteed over 3 years.

But I don't want to pay him $10M/yr. Not my money. But my team can only give out so many of those $10M/yr contracts. We have to use them wisely.

Then when you throw in a 2nd & a 4th... again, we have to use them wisely. I wouldn't be opposed to a 2nd & he plays out his contract. He can cash out now, to the tune of $15M guaranteed over three years, but any more than that..... I'm not interested. So if we end up trading for a player who will sit out.... pass.

That mentality is why the Pats are ahead and will stay ahead of the Texans.

BTW, I wouldn't sign Harvin due to his injury problems.

If the Patriots aren't going to pay Welker $10M/yr, they aren't going to pay Harvin $10M/yr. But the Patriots are bonafide contenders. He'll probably play the remainder of his contract with them & not threaten to sit out, where he would with us.

By-the-by, the Patriots let Ocho Cinco sit on the bench for an entire season, Another luxury, I don't think we would have had. We aren't the Patriots.

Goldensilence
02-11-2013, 09:15 PM
Outside of a zone here Brisiel wasn't likely to be effective. He struggled the first couple of years here but got better as the unit as a whole gelled. The scheme covered up a lot of weaknesses in his game.

I wouldn't be opposed, if he's healthy, bringing him back cheap and in to compete for a guard position. I think Jones could be like Mike in terms of a guy that struggles at first then grows into the scheme. Brooks has the tools to be a monster at G and I hope to see his reps this off-season increase.

Honoring Earl 34
02-11-2013, 09:52 PM
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GP
02-12-2013, 09:51 AM
Injury waiting to happen. Can't bring him back because of some nostalgia factor.

I agree with GoldenSilence in terms of Ben Jones. He would have one play where he owned his assignment, then a play where he fell down. I think he's got the tools to grow and become more consistent on the OL.

I think Newton gets there, too. Both those guys look like keepers, IMO.

Give them both an off-season to catch their breath (they were thrown onto the OL and had to keep chugging all season long). Camp, preseason reps, and the knowledge that they endured a tough season a year ago....I think they'll do well.

I can't foresee us bringing Brisiel back unless it's a vet minimum and he understands he's just depth with an outside shot of being the main G if things go south with Ben. No way do you bring him back with ideas that he's the starter right out of the gate. Ben Jones needs those reps.

RT22
02-24-2013, 08:24 PM
If OAK cuts him with the off year maybe he doesnt get that big money offer so HOU could get him back here at a reasonable rate 1 or 2 year deal. Then again JAGs could grab him with them going to ZBS this year. I would like to see HOU cut G Wade Smith then bring back Brisiel and let Jones and Brooks compete to start at other G spot.

Just a thought. Wouldn't it be funny if both Briesel and Winston are both cut (Briesel due to health/system, Winston due to salary/system/Draft Joekel/resign Albert? And both resign with the Texans for 1 year vets min deal to try for a SB. Depth chart and competition would be insane. Brown/Smith/Myers/Briesel/Winston. Swing Newton, C/RG Jones, LG Brooks as back ups. Also I the Brooks is a better fit on the left side as future replacement for Smith.

GP
02-24-2013, 10:18 PM
Just a thought. Wouldn't it be funny if both Briesel and Winston are both cut (Briesel due to health/system, Winston due to salary/system/Draft Joekel/resign Albert? And both resign with the Texans for 1 year vets min deal to try for a SB. Depth chart and competition would be insane. Brown/Smith/Myers/Briesel/Winston. Swing Newton, C/RG Jones, LG Brooks as back ups. Also I the Brooks is a better fit on the left side as future replacement for Smith.

At this point, even though I'm thinking we're better without them, who the hell knows!

What if they did come back, and what if they found a way to platoon the position and we found our groove again?

Stranger things have happened. Sometimes familiar faces help stabilize things. I do wonder if a bit of our offense's mojo was zapped by the loss of Dreessen, Winston, Brisiel, and Ward. Not saying those guys are independently awesome...but collectively they provided a stable and consistent work ethic and reliability that wasn't replaced by Ben Jones, Derrick Newton, Forsett, and Graham.

If we're unable to land quality FA's due to cap...why not vet minimum for Winston and Brisiel? Anybody know what their vet minimum cap hit would be????

Wolf
02-24-2013, 10:27 PM
I believe Winston is making 4.9 million this season and I doubt he would get cut and the chiefs take a 7million dollar cap hit

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/eric-winston/

Lucky
02-24-2013, 11:03 PM
I believe Winston is making 4.9 million this season and I doubt he would get cut and the chiefs take a 7million dollar cap hit

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/eric-winston/
From the link you provided, Winston's contract would produce $6.3 million in dead money if cut. His 2013 cap hit is $7 million, so the Chiefs would actually save 700k by cutting Winston. I don't think they will do that by any means. And if the Chiefs re-sign Brandon Albert, I doubt they take a OT in the first round (though many are mocking Luke Joeckel to KC).

Heath Shuler
03-04-2013, 08:53 PM
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2013/03/04/brisiels-contract-restructured/


The Raiders are approximately $1.5 million under the salary cap as of now. They got there, in large part, because right guard Mike Brisiel agreed to a restructured contract.
Brisiel’s base salary for 2013 dropped from $4.35 million to $1.35 million as part of the new deal. Brisiel signed with the Raiders last offseason.
He is slated to earn $3.85 million in base salary in 2014, ‘15 and ‘16. There’s still work to do for general manager Reggie McKenzie between now and the start of free agency, which begins Mar. 12.
However, getting Brisiel on board with a cap-friendly deal for 2013 is a nice start. Now McKenzie can go after other sizable contracts such as those of quarterback Carson Palmer, wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly in an attempt to free up more cap room.