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nero THE zero
02-09-2013, 03:48 PM
http://www.kffl.com/
The Houston Texans may place the franchise tag on impending free-agent FS Glover Quin if they are not able to re-sign him before the start of free agency.

The Houston Texans will do everything they can to try to re-sign impending free-agent LB Connor Barwin this offseason.

The Houston Texans are not expected to re-sign impending free-agent DT Shaun Cody this offseason.

Big Lou
02-09-2013, 04:05 PM
If we played a drinking game involving the word "impending" in that article I would be drunk after reading it!

Lucky
02-09-2013, 05:04 PM
What?!?! The franchise tag for safeties is tentatively set at $6.8 million. On what planet is Quin worth $6.8 million/year?

And didn't the Texans say last year that they were going to do everything they could to re-sign Mario? If Barwin can get $20 million guaranteed from another team, I say forget it.

Not re-upping Cody seems inevitable. Damaged goods.

CloakNNNdagger
02-09-2013, 05:21 PM
ProFootballWeekly reporting that they would not be surprised if the Texans receive a 3rd round compensatory draft pick this year for Mario and Dreesen.

Lucky
02-09-2013, 05:35 PM
Here's that comment from PFW (http://www.profootballweekly.com/2013/02/07/texans-want-barwin-back-despite-disappointing-2012).
We also hear the Texans should fare well in terms of compensatory draft picks, what with Mario Williams and Joel Dreesen both producing in Buffalo and Denver, respectively, and the Texans not depending a lot on free agents this past season. It shouldn't come as a surprise to see the Texans awarded the highest compensatory pick possible (a third-rounder), we hear.
The Texans will certainly receive the top compensatory pick (#95 overall). But that is based solely on losing Mario. The compensation for Dreessen will be a late round pick (likely a 6th).

Insideop
02-09-2013, 05:43 PM
ProFootballWeekly reporting that they would not be surprised if the Texans receive a 3rd round compensatory draft pick this year for Mario and Dreesen.

Wait a minute Doc. Are saying a 3rd round pick for each? How in the world does Dreesen get us a 3rd round pick? I know he's good, but a 3rd round good! We'll take it! :shades:

Brisco_County
02-09-2013, 06:07 PM
Christmas in April. I'll take it.

CloakNNNdagger
02-09-2013, 06:46 PM
Wait a minute Doc. Are saying a 3rd round pick for each? How in the world does Dreesen get us a 3rd round pick? I know he's good, but a 3rd round good! We'll take it! :shades:

See Lucky's post above to clarify.

JCTexan
02-09-2013, 06:53 PM
Quin is the one player I want the Texans to re-sign this off-season but I don't think he's worth the franchise tag. Barwin at 4M+ a year is way too expensive for his three sacks last year. I would rather save that extra money for Cushing next year. Cody can easily be replaced by drafting a DT in the draft.

CloakNNNdagger
02-09-2013, 06:57 PM
Christmas in April. I'll take it.

Could be closer to Christmas than you think.

Here is a projected list of Compensatory Picks (http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/2013/01/predicting-the-compensatory-picks-take-two/) for the upcoming draft (all teams included in link).



Predicting the compensatory pick selections is far from an exact science. The last version had a lot of issues and I just wanted to say thank you to everybody who pointed out something that I missed. These comments helped me tremendously to come up with more accurate projections. As before, if you see something that you think is a problem, let me know and I’ll take a closer look.


Selections received by round:

3rd: Texans and Titans
4th: Ravens, Lions, and Packers
5th: Falcons, Ravens, and 49ers
6th: Ravens (x2), Panthers (x2), Raiders (x2), Texans (x3), Browns, Giants, Titans
7th: Cardinals, Falcons, Bengals, Packers, Dolphins, Eagles, Steelers, and Titans
End of the 7th because of record: Chiefs, Jaguars, Raiders, and Eagles.

Houston

The Houston Texans lost Mario Williams and will receive a 3rd round pick.
The Houston Texans lost Mike Brisiel and will receive a 6th round pick.
The Houston Texans lost Jason Allen and will receive a 6th round pick.
The Houston Texans lost Joel Dreessen and will receive a 6th round pick.
The Houston Texans lost Lawrence Vickers who is canceled out by Donnie Jones.

ChampionTexan
02-09-2013, 07:12 PM
Could be closer to Christmas than you think.

Here is a projected list of Compensatory Picks (http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/2013/01/predicting-the-compensatory-picks-take-two/) for the upcoming draft (all teams included in link).Houston
The Houston Texans lost Lawrence Vickers who is canceled out by Donnie Jones.

I thought Donnie Jones would be excluded because of his low level of salary, but I know Lawrence Vickers won't help us as he was not an expiring contract - he was released.

Bulls on Parade
02-09-2013, 07:38 PM
I'm also interested to see how the impending draft plays out. Along with the impending roster cuts. Hopefully the impending release of Antonio Smith to save some impending cap space doesn't set us back any. It would only be an impending assumption to think that way.

CloakNNNdagger
02-09-2013, 07:52 PM
I thought Donnie Jones would be excluded because of his low level of salary, but I know Lawrence Vickers won't help us as he was not an expiring contract - he was released.

It could be because Vickers Texans 2012 salary was bought out.
(http://www.sportscity.com/nfl/salaries/houston-texans-salaries/)

PapaL
02-09-2013, 08:04 PM
We have no one on our roster that can do what Quinn does for us. We need him under contract ASAP. No point in making more holes.

ChampionTexan
02-09-2013, 10:45 PM
It could be because Vickers Texans 2012 salary was bought out.
(http://www.sportscity.com/nfl/salaries/houston-texans-salaries/)

I'm guessing that was the unamortized portion of the $500,000 signing bonus he received, but even if it was a straight buy-out, it wouldn't make any difference, as he was gone completely at the Texans discretion.

CloakNNNdagger
02-09-2013, 11:01 PM
Offseason Forecast: Houston Texans (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000137620/article/offseason-forecast-houston-texans)

FS Glover Quin: Arguably the highest-priority signing for the Texans. Quin is an ideal fit for Wade Phillips' scheme and could be franchise tagged. Take a look at this year's Pro Bowl rosters -- top-tier safeties are rare. If he walks -- and we expect him to be retained -- opponents will thrive through the air.

Don't know that I agree with all the other "key" players.

Wonder how much of our remaining cap space will have to go to "peripheral costs" like IR, PS, etc. Seems like, as things stand, we are going into this season with virtually no money without "creative" budgeting and heavy duty arm twisting. With what the appearance of our cap is, unless we hit it right on almost every Draft pick (ones that are close to "game ready"), we're going to have a real hard time of going into the season as good let alone better than the team we had last year. I just hope we don't get so "creative" with back-loaded renegotiated contracts that we go into a Cap Hell worse in 2014 and 2015, than we have experienced in 2011 and 2012. Though, I haven't appreciated any Cap geniuses on this team yet. :chef:

beerlover
02-09-2013, 11:07 PM
come on combine, at least we'll know Texan compensatory picks

beerlover
02-09-2013, 11:10 PM
regarding players future contracts, Texans will not franchise a player. It's not in their nature unless he is named Cushing or Watt. I think they would like to resign Barwin, but will be unable & pay a little over to keep Quin while Cody has retreats to his island paradise.

JimBaker488
02-09-2013, 11:13 PM
Cody has retreats to his island paradise.
???

tru80texan
02-10-2013, 12:01 AM
http://www.kffl.com/

Quin is the only one of real importance imo. He has played well since he was drafted & has the potential to get better having only played S the last 2 seasons.

I'm a Barwin fan, but I think his price tag will be too much for the Texans to take a risk on. So ultimately I think Barwin is a goner.

Cody is the defenses version of Walter, likable guy but not a starter. Time for him to move on.

Quin is the only one that can't be easily replaced imo. Mitchell has been slowly overtaking Cody & there are cheaper options that could replace Barwin. We all know Wade loves his ex-cowturds & one players name I believe that could possibly pop up is Victor Butler. Never got chance behind Spencer & Ware, but when Wade was there he was talked about a bit. Time will tell.

Corrosion
02-10-2013, 02:59 AM
I thought Donnie Jones would be excluded because of his low level of salary, but I know Lawrence Vickers won't help us as he was not an expiring contract - he was released.

Vet min salaries do not affect comp picks - Jones was signed for the minimum and will not cancel out Vickers.

dream_team
02-10-2013, 03:18 AM
What?!?! The franchise tag for safeties is tentatively set at $6.8 million. On what planet is Quin worth $6.8 million/year?

He is not worth that much, but depending on how good his agent is, he may be asking for that much? Everyone knows we're looking at Keo starting if GQ isn't here, and that scares everyone!

IMO, GQ should be a pro bowl safety. I hope we keep him somehow, even if its for that much.

ChampionTexan
02-10-2013, 11:43 AM
Vet min salaries do not affect comp picks - Jones was signed for the minimum and will not cancel out Vickers.

Jones got a $65k signing bonus that put him over the veteran minimum, but as I said earlier, I still think he's excluded due to the level of pay - and as I also said before, Vickers doesn't need to be cancelled out as he wasn't an expiring contract.

Insideop
02-11-2013, 01:37 PM
Offseason Forecast: Houston Texans (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000137620/article/offseason-forecast-houston-texans)



Don't know that I agree with all the other "key" players.

Wonder how much of our remaining cap space will have to go to "peripheral costs" like IR, PS, etc. Seems like, as things stand, we are going into this season with virtually no money without "creative" budgeting and heavy duty arm twisting. With what the appearance of our cap is, unless we hit it right on almost every Draft pick (ones that are close to "game ready"), we're going to have a real hard time of going into the season as good let alone better than the team we had last year. I just hope we don't get so "creative" with back-loaded renegotiated contracts that we go into a Cap Hell worse in 2014 and 2015, than we have experienced in 2011 and 2012. Though, I haven't appreciated any Cap geniuses on this team yet. :chef:

The Texans can't afford a bunch of back-loaded contracts. They have to sign Cushing and Watt in the next couple of years. Just can't let those 2 go test the market. They need to lock them up long term before they hit FA. Especially Watt! The Texans cannot lose Watt IMO!

painekiller
02-11-2013, 08:52 PM
My nephew talks to Barwin a local bar they both go to (my nephew had been a bar tender there), and Barwin told him on Sunday night that he know he had a bad season and is willing to take a one year deal to prove last year was a fluke. He also thinks he put on to much weight last season and that cost him some quickness.

He also said that if some team threw him a big offer he would take it. He is not dumb.

Goldensilence
02-11-2013, 09:08 PM
Franchise Tag on Quinn? I like the guy and how well he fits what this scheme wants from him. He's really done pretty much whatever the team has needed him to do and that's been big. I agree signing him is a priority this offseason, but the tag? I mean if I thought he was an elite FS I'd say no brainer, but he's not elite. Versatile? Def. Elite? Nope.

The bigger concern I have though is that if he does walk that the FO would whiff on really addressing the spot leaving is with Keo annd Demps, which are closer to in the box safeties and are constantly burnt when asking to cover.

If Barwin had a season closer to last year he'd get good money, but he really struggled this year and the sacks, or lack of doesn't paint the entire picture. I liked what I began to see from Mercilus down the stretch and I think he could easily challenge for a starting spot next year which would leave Barwin as depth. Of course this is still pending what the staff decides to do with Reed at LB this coming season. I'd be happy if they offered Barwin a one year deal and he went back to last year's playing weight. Still not sure if Braman is ready for more snaps or has the tools to be an every down player.

I'm content with letting Cody leave, physically he doesn't bring something you can't replace though I will miss on the nose.

Insideop
02-11-2013, 09:43 PM
My nephew talks to Barwin a local bar they both go to (my nephew had been a bar tender there), and Barwin told him on Sunday night that he know he had a bad season and is willing to take a one year deal to prove last year was a fluke. He also thinks he put on to much weight last season and that cost him some quickness.

He also said that if some team threw him a big offer he would take it. He is not dumb.

This might be the best option for the Texans. Barwin gets a 1 yr deal to prove himself. Move Reed to ILB (Not as thrilled about this as some.) Draft another OLB in the early rounds (1 or 2) to develop behind/rotate with Mercilus and Barwin. Then, if Barwin doesn't prove himself, you have someone to step in. If he does prove himself, he will probably opt for the big $$$ and leave like Mario, and we'll have someone to step in just like Mercilus did when Mario left. I still think the Texans will need to draft an ILB in the mid to later rounds for better depth and ST play.

tru80texan
02-13-2013, 11:48 AM
My nephew talks to Barwin a local bar they both go to (my nephew had been a bar tender there), and Barwin told him on Sunday night that he know he had a bad season and is willing to take a one year deal to prove last year was a fluke. He also thinks he put on to much weight last season and that cost him some quickness.

He also said that if some team threw him a big offer he would take it. He is not dumb.

Well, the "hometown discount" is out the window. I like Barwin & I think last season could've been a fluke, but I believe he will have a team throw more then 1 yr deal at him which could lead to his departure. Possibly even Cincy or Cleveland which could possibly be right up his alley if he wants to head back home. I would like to see him back, but I have my doubts. Giving him a long term deal worth big money would not be a smart move on the Texans behalf.

thunderkyss
02-13-2013, 05:55 PM
Giving him a long term deal worth big money would not be a smart move on the Texans behalf.

So you think we're going to give him a long term deal worth big money?

Me too.

TexanBacker93
02-14-2013, 05:31 PM
The link to projected compensatory picks is a Lions site. It's not official. I doubt Tennessee gets a 3rd. They lost Finnegan, but signed Wimbley and Hutchison to good sized contracts. I think they will cancel out.

CloakNNNdagger
02-14-2013, 10:33 PM
The link to projected compensatory picks is a Lions site. It's not official. I doubt Tennessee gets a 3rd. They lost Finnegan, but signed Wimbley and Hutchison to good sized contracts. I think they will cancel out.

Another projected compensatory picks link

http://bloggingthebeast.com/2013/01/27/2013-nfl-compensatory-pick-projections/

The above 2013 prediction list is based on the guidelines set forth by the nation's most successful predictor, AdamJT13, who has been doing so for the past 11 years but has not yet submitted his official 2013 prediction list.



An interesting explanation of the "formula" that AdamJT has used to calculate his surprisingly consistently close predictions.

http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/search?q=formula+compensatory+picks

Lucky
02-15-2013, 01:18 AM
From the blogging the beast site (http://bloggingthebeast.com/2013/01/27/2013-nfl-compensatory-pick-projections/) linked above:

Players Lost:Texans Mario Williams (6 yr $96 million), Brisiel (5 yr $20 million), Jason Allen (2 yr $8.2 million), Dreesen (3 yr $8.5 million)
Players Signed:Bradie James (1 yr $890,000), Donnie Jones (1 yr $890,000)

From the Comments section:

Russell Wing (http://none) January 29, 2013 at 12:45 pm (http://bloggingthebeast.com/2013/01/27/2013-nfl-compensatory-pick-projections/#comment-103568)
Could you go into a bit more detail about the Texans? 3rd round pick for Mario seems a given. A bit confused how you rate Allen as worthy of a 6th, but Dreesen – whose contact was similar and Brisiel – whose contract was much bigger, warrant no additional picks? I know they signed Bradie James and Donnie Jones, but each of them got one year deals at less than a million. Shouldn’t the Texans be looking at a 4th or 5th for Brisiel and a 6th or 7th for Dreesen?

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January 29, 2013 at 2:09 pm (http://bloggingthebeast.com/2013/01/27/2013-nfl-compensatory-pick-projections/#comment-103569)
Signed players cancel out lost players, so Bradie James does knock out Dreesen, and Jones knocks out Brisiel, because there are no lower-salaried players to knock out.
In the past, players making 890k have counted. Last year, the only player in that price range was Reggie Kelly, signed by Atlanta, and he counted.
However, the league is not reliable with counting players under $1 million, so it is possible that Brisiel and/or Dreesen will get you picks, should be a 5 or 6 for Brisiel and a 6 for Dreesen, Dreesen would be knocked out first

Vet minimums have not counted in the compensatory equation. And I don't know for whom the Bengals received a compensatory pick for. But, it wasn't for Reggie Kelly, who signed with the Falcons as a street free agent on 8-16 (http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/2542/reggie-kelly), months after the free agency period. The Texans will get picks (likely 6th round) for Brisiel and Dreessen.

Lucky
02-15-2013, 01:21 AM
The link to projected compensatory picks is a Lions site. It's not official. I doubt Tennessee gets a 3rd. They lost Finnegan, but signed Wimbley and Hutchison to good sized contracts. I think they will cancel out.
Wimbley and Hutchinson were released by their previous teams, so they do not count as the free agent signed. Like Peyton Manning, they were street free agents.

ArlingtonTexan
02-15-2013, 02:10 PM
We tried follow this as signing were happening last year in this thread

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90443&highlight=compensatory&page=4

CloakNNNdagger
02-20-2013, 09:07 PM
Texans will meet with Connor Barwin’s representatives (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/02/texans-will-meet-with-connor-barwins-representatives/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

After playing out his rookie contract, I’d be surprised if Texans outside linebacker Connor Barwin didn’t test free agency.

Still, both sides will make an effort toward a deal before that happens. Barwin wants to stay in Houston, and the Texans want him back. The trick will be agreeing on his value.

This weekend in Indianapolis, the Texans are planning to meet with Barwin’s people face-to-face for the first time this offseason, according to people familiar with the situation.

The Texans made Barwin an offer before the season began, after a 2011 season in which he had 11 1/2 sacks. Double-digit sacks typically earn pass rushers big-time contracts. And while the Texans’ offer would have placed Barwin among the 10 best-paid Texans, it didn’t come close to the contracts some of the league’s better pass-rushing outside linebackers have garnered lately.

Barwin took a risk and declined the offer, expecting to repeat – or at least get near – his 2011 numbers. That didn’t happen. This past regular season, Barwin only had 3 1/2 sacks.

That number works against Barwin and one that works in favor of the Texans, who don’t have a lot of money to spend.

A few things work in Barwin’s favor. He has shown the capability to put up big sack numbers, he can still grow at the position having not played it long and he’s a good locker-room guy. There is also the matter that the number of quality, young (Barwin turns 27 in the fall) outside linebackers in free agency and the number of NFL-ready pass rushers in the draft are both low.

thunderkyss
02-20-2013, 09:40 PM
Let me go on record, I will be highly disappointed if Barwin is paid, or has a $4M+ cap number.