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srrono
02-08-2013, 04:10 PM
The market is incredibly tame for fullbacks. Only four have an average salary of over $1 million, while the fifth-highest paid sits below $650,000 per year. This salary range is further cemented when you consider Danny Woodhead and Julian Edelman. Both Patriots are similar players to Casey and reasons why the Texans should not let Casey hit the market and be wooed by Bill Belichick.
A good write up on J.Casey as a FA. (http://buzztap.com/link.jsp?id=22224540&cid=24&source=feed&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

thunderkyss
02-08-2013, 04:42 PM
The market is incredibly tame for fullbacks. Only four have an average salary of over $1 million, while the fifth-highest paid sits below $650,000 per year. This salary range is further cemented when you consider Danny Woodhead and Julian Edelman. Both Patriots are similar players to Casey and reasons why the Texans should not let Casey hit the market and be wooed by Bill Belichick.
A good write up on J.Casey as a FA. (http://buzztap.com/link.jsp?id=22224540&cid=24&source=feed&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Wolf6151
02-08-2013, 04:51 PM
I like James Casey but honestly I'd like a real Vonta like FB in the game on short yardage or goal line situations. I like the way he's used out of the backfield in the passing game but he just isn't used enough to justify a roster spot. I also don't think that Casey ever took near enough heat for dropping that TD pass in the first drive of our playoff game against New England. That pass from Schaub was perfect and hit Casey right in the hands at the 4 yd. line when he had his man beat and was an easy TD. Imagine how the momentum and flow of the game would have changed if we had scored a TD there. I like the guy just not sure if there's room on the roster for a #2FB, provided we get a real FB, or #4TE, hoping that we take Michael Williams-TE in the 5th round of the draft.

srrono
02-08-2013, 05:03 PM
I like James Casey but honestly I'd like a real Vonta like FB in the game on short yardage or goal line situations. I like the way he's used out of the backfield in the passing game but he just isn't used enough to justify a roster spot. I also don't think that Casey ever took near enough heat for dropping that TD pass in the first drive of our playoff game against New England. That pass from Schaub was perfect and hit Casey right in the hands at the 4 yd. line when he had his man beat and was an easy TD. Imagine how the momentum and flow of the game would have changed if we had scored a TD there. I like the guy just not sure if there's room on the roster for a #2FB, provided we get a real FB, or #4TE, hoping that we take Michael Williams-TE in the 5th round of the draft.

Kyle Juszczyk FB Harvard Sr 6-1 248 was a stndout at Senior Bowl week he is projected from a 6th rounder to a UFA in the draft I am hoping HOU grabs him. Juszczyk was stoning guys over and over on NFL Network broadcast of Senior Bowl practices.

eriadoc
02-08-2013, 06:11 PM
I like James Casey but honestly I'd like a real Vonta like FB in the game on short yardage or goal line situations.

The Texans had one on their roster this year and didn't use him (Clutts).

I also don't think that Casey ever took near enough heat for dropping that TD pass in the first drive of our playoff game against New England.

Fans often define a bit player's career on one mistake. Casey has done enough to wipe that mistake out a dozen times over, but people will hammer that play until the end of time. Get over it is the best I can tell you. He has a lower drop percentage than most pass catchers on the team and there were tons of other plays and factors that lost that game for the team.

EllisUnit
02-08-2013, 06:15 PM
I love Casey, only wish we would use him more and play to his strengths.

thunderkyss
02-08-2013, 06:23 PM
I love Casey, only wish we would use him more and play to his strengths.

I'm honestly not seeing him as the play-making mismatch he was touted to be. He gets schemed open, but looks slow when he catches the ball..... slower than OD. He's thick, but not particularly physical when fighting for position or trying to get separation.

Rey
02-08-2013, 08:19 PM
I'm honestly not seeing him as the play-making mismatch he was touted to be. He gets schemed open, but looks slow when he catches the ball..... slower than OD. He's thick, but not particularly physical when fighting for position or trying to get separation.

He's not a mismatch in the sense of having Arian at fb, but by fb standards he's a mismatch. He's faster than most true fb's and can run longer routes and make catches further down the field than most fb's can.

That doesn't mean he's going to look like Wes welker or Arian foster when he goes up against lb'ers. It just means that he provides a different dynamic from the position than the traditional fb, and either 1) he's not good enough to get open or 2) we don't do a good enough job of using the skills he has.

I'd go with 2 since I've seen him get open a bunch against lb'ers in covg.

IDEXAN
02-09-2013, 12:55 PM
Like Wolf6151 said so well, Casey muffed the biggest reception chance of his life and that's unfortunate for him and the Texans because it was such an important play for both and Casey reportedly has the best hands on the team, but he wasn't clutch when he had to be. Besides if we release him he can probably find a place some place else where he gets more opps. And we could use a real thumper at FB, if only in non-nickle situations.

powda
02-09-2013, 09:31 PM
Pay him just over the vet minimum. We dont use him to his skill set so why pay him that way? He could be so much more but kubiak doesnt use him correctly. So why compensate him for it?

Vinny
02-10-2013, 10:33 AM
They didn't want to pay Norris or Leach...both of those guys were better FB's than Casey.

mussop
02-10-2013, 02:17 PM
They didn't want to pay Norris or Leach...both of those guys were better FB's than Casey.

If Casey was used right that wouldn't be the case. If Kubiak is going to continue to under utilize his abilities then we might as well let him go and bring in a pure blocking FB.

Wolf6151
02-12-2013, 04:16 AM
The Texans had one on their roster this year and didn't use him (Clutts).



Fans often define a bit player's career on one mistake. Casey has done enough to wipe that mistake out a dozen times over, but people will hammer that play until the end of time. Get over it is the best I can tell you. He has a lower drop percentage than most pass catchers on the team and there were tons of other plays and factors that lost that game for the team.

Wow, your jumping to the extreme here. I never said anything about defining Casey's career by this one mistake. No one on the team is above taking some heat for a really big mistake in the biggest playoff game in team history, and just because I mention it one time as a topic of discussion doesn't mean I'm "hammering that play until the end of time". Being a little overly dramatic? Also I'm not sure how you think he's "wiped out that mistake a dozen times over" since he's only been in 4 playoff games in his career and has a grand total of 4 total touchdowns in his 4 yr. career, I'm not sure if any of those were in a playoff game. I know there were other factors that caused us to lose that game, I never said Casey was the sole reason. In the future please read my post before you respond to it.

Rey
02-12-2013, 08:55 AM
Goodbye James.

deucetx
02-12-2013, 09:05 AM
Guess it depends on how other teams vision him. Do they see a tight end instead of a FB? I would like to retain him but really don't want to see him as a FB. He is not a strong lead blocker and you add that to the fact we have two young players on the right (one of which struggled in run blocking) and only one tight end that can block (Graham as O.D. is awful) and it makes life hard on Foster and company. We need a real lead blocker and Kubiak and company need to find a better way of utilizing Casey if retained.

pirbroke
02-12-2013, 09:18 AM
This is the first year all teams must spend a certain percentage of salary cap so free agency this year is going to be a little different.

ObsiWan
02-12-2013, 11:22 AM
The Texans had one on their roster this year and didn't use him (Clutts).



Fans often define a bit player's career on one mistake. Casey has done enough to wipe that mistake out a dozen times over, but people will hammer that play until the end of time. Get over it is the best I can tell you. He has a lower drop percentage than most pass catchers on the team and there were tons of other plays and factors that lost that game for the team.

Really?!?
What??
I can't think of a single game last season where he stood out.
...well, except for the playoff game where he played butter fingers with a perfectly thrown ball.

I'm probably the only one who'll admit to this but If he stays, meh
and if he goes, maybe we'll get someone who can catch.

eriadoc
02-12-2013, 12:19 PM
Wow, your jumping to the extreme here. I never said anything about defining Casey's career by this one mistake.

That's why I didn't say "wolf6151 defines Casey's career by this one mistake". I said fans do, as in a general observation. I can bring up former players and inevitably the first thing some fans will remember is some mistake that player made. Hell, try having an objective conversation about Jabar Gaffney, for example.

Really?!?
What??
I can't think of a single game last season where he stood out.

I can't think of a single game where Wade Smith stood out either, but he was named to the Pro Bowl. The Texans rarely ask Casey to do something that "stands out". When he makes a ten yard reception, are you cataloging that in your head as a standout play? When he puts on a good block at the goal line for Arian Foster (just one play I remember), do you catalog that in your head as a standout play?

Whatever people think Casey might be capable of, the coaching staff asks him to do a specific job, and he's done it well enough to where we don't hear his name. That's a good thing for his position. Now, if he were actually a TE and playing that position, maybe your argument would make sense. But he isn't.

And just for reference, people didn't "notice" Leach until the TV announcers started talking about him. I'm not comparing Casey to Leach, but I am comparing the glamor status of the position. You have to be completely outstanding to garner any attention from the FB position.

None of this has any bearing on whether or not the team should keep him, however.

GP
02-12-2013, 12:58 PM
I don't think the Patriots would target him. They're using Woodhead in that role already.

I think the Pats will go after Percy Harvin and let Welker walk.

Anybody here think the idea of Tom Brady throwing to Percy Harvin is just unfair to the rest of the NFL on many levels? Yeah, me too!

For as good and reliable as Welker is, Harvin is an upgrade.

thunderkyss
02-12-2013, 01:53 PM
For as good and reliable as Welker is, Harvin is an upgrade.

That's really funny.

sandman
02-12-2013, 03:33 PM
I'm not comparing Casey to Leach...

No reason you shouldn't. Casey personally had a better year catching the ball than Leach ever did, and the running game overall had more yards/TD's than in any of Leach's five years starting at FB.

What exactly did he not give this team that Leach did? And if the answer is goal line presence, before Foster came along in Leach's last year, this team had 12-15 rushing TD's a year. They were either not getting the opportunity, in which case it is a moot point, or they were not taking advantage of it, which means we have romanticized the contributions that Leach provided.

If we judge Casey's performance as a FB, and not try to wrap logic around he is a FB but should play like a TE, then Casey gave a better performance this year stats-wise than the year that Leach cashed in on as a free agent.

And people were cutting their wrists over Leach leaving...

Texaninlild
02-12-2013, 03:53 PM
Kyle Juszczyk FB Harvard Sr 6-1 248 was a stndout at Senior Bowl week he is projected from a 6th rounder to a UFA in the draft I am hoping HOU grabs him. Juszczyk was stoning guys over and over on NFL Network broadcast of Senior Bowl practices.

I was thinking this battering ram of a young man would be a great add. He does not have the hands of Casey although he is athletic and appears to catch well out of the backfield.

I only want Casey back if he is utilized in a manner that suits his skills out of the backfield.

CloakNNNdagger
02-12-2013, 09:57 PM
Kyle Juszczyk FB Harvard Sr 6-1 248 was a stndout at Senior Bowl week he is projected from a 6th rounder to a UFA in the draft I am hoping HOU grabs him. Juszczyk was stoning guys over and over on NFL Network broadcast of Senior Bowl practices.

I was thinking this battering ram of a young man would be a great add. He does not have the hands of Casey although he is athletic and appears to catch well out of the backfield.

I only want Casey back if he is utilized in a manner that suits his skills out of the backfield.

Casey most likely will not return. Juszczyk could be a great addition. He has consistently shown solid hands. Unlike Leach, he doesn't go down on first contact.

Kyle Juszczyk from Harvard is an ideal H-back/fullback candidate. He has been impressive as a lead blocker on the inside run game and has decleated a number of linebackers in the run drills. He is a fine receiver out of the backfield or as a wing has been excellent all week. He has soft hands, runs good routes and is physical after the catch. The 49ers run a lot of two- and three-tight sets and a number of teams are studying that offense. Juszczyk would be a great fit for that type of offense. - Pat Kirwan, CBSSports.com

01/05/13 - Harvard senior tight end Kyle Juszczyk will accept an invitation to play in the 2013 Senior Bowl, slated for January 26 at Ladd-Peebles Stadium in Mobile, Ala. The game will start at 4 p.m. (EST) and can be viewed on the NFL Network. It marks the third all-star game invite for Juszczyk, who declined invitations to the CDS All-Star game in Tucson, Ariz. and the East-West Shrine Game in St. Petersburg, Fla.

Juszczyk led the Ivy League with eight touchdown receptions and led a potent Harvard team with 52 catches for 706 yards (13.6 ypc). For his career, he set the mark for all Harvard tight ends with 125 catches (6th all-time) for 1,576 yards (7th all-time) and 22 touchdowns (3rd all-time). - Harvard football http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=97736&draftyear=2013&genpos=TE

powda
02-12-2013, 11:33 PM
Casey's a houston native and I think he's the kinda guy that would give the texans a discount to stay here. I know that's said about a lot of houston athletes but I actually believe it with him.

beerlover
02-12-2013, 11:38 PM
Pretty simple math replace a 5th rd. pick (Casey) with a better prospect in 6th (Kyle) doesn't really = does it? Juszczyk is a football player, pure & simple. If want to improve position at least use a late 5th if not forget about it.

Also why would Kubiak get rid of a player he clearly loves, developed & adopted? I think he will keep him, have him cut some weight, get quicker & use three TE sets more. Casey is not a fullback. He is good enough to block outside & down the field.

One more thing about the Harvard kid, he is not a battering ram. He is no Leach Leach uses smarts, is fundamentally sound blocker, good explosiveness with passion for taking care of assignments. He could be a sneaky weapon out of the backfield after securing max protection.

b0ng
02-15-2013, 07:37 AM
I think when you compare other FB's in the league Casey makes a ton of plays out of the backfield or even running a route. Foster runs out of a single back set quite often so I'm not as worried about how his blocking is (Which is adequate, but certainly not all-world).

I hope that we retain him because I think his versatility means he could go in with 3 TE sets that we've seen a few times, as well as being in the FB spot as well, but I don't think he's worth an entire million against the cap.

thunderkyss
02-15-2013, 08:26 AM
I think when you compare other FB's in the league Casey makes a ton of plays out of the backfield or even running a route. Foster runs out of a single back set quite often so I'm not as worried about how his blocking is (Which is adequate, but certainly not all-world).

I hope that we retain him because I think his versatility means he could go in with 3 TE sets that we've seen a few times, as well as being in the FB spot as well, but I don't think he's worth an entire million against the cap.

What do you think would be a fair price for Casey. We said no to paying Leach $3M/yr (I think) & Dressen signed a 3 year $8.5M contract, just under $3M/yr.

Vinny
02-15-2013, 12:04 PM
No reason you shouldn't. Casey personally had a better year catching the ball than Leach ever did, and the running game overall had more yards/TD's than in any of Leach's five years starting at FB.

What exactly did he not give this team that Leach did? And if the answer is goal line presence, before Foster came along in Leach's last year, this team had 12-15 rushing TD's a year. They were either not getting the opportunity, in which case it is a moot point, or they were not taking advantage of it, which means we have romanticized the contributions that Leach provided.

If we judge Casey's performance as a FB, and not try to wrap logic around he is a FB but should play like a TE, then Casey gave a better performance this year stats-wise than the year that Leach cashed in on as a free agent.

And people were cutting their wrists over Leach leaving...
Leach left, running game degrades as the games go by. What is more important than a top running game to the Kubiak offense? Nothing. Casey makes a few catches but really doesn't do much....Casey is the one being romanticized.

Double Barrel
02-15-2013, 12:27 PM
That's really funny.

"Welker became the first player in NFL history with five seasons of 100 or more catches, breaking a record he shared with Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison and Brandon Marhsall."

Source (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/12/17/patriots-welker-sets-nfl-record-for-most-100-catch-seasons/)

Leach left, running game degrades as the games go by. What is more important than a top running game to the Kubiak offense? Nothing. Casey makes a few catches but really doesn't do much....Casey is the one being romanticized.

Arian Foster missed him greatly and Ray Rice loves him dearly.

I think the smartest man in the room is thinking too hard on Kirby Drive.

thunderkyss
02-15-2013, 12:34 PM
"Welker became the first player in NFL history with five seasons of 100 or more catches, breaking a record he shared with Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison and Brandon Marhsall."


So you agree it's funny to think Harvin is an upgrade over Welker??

Double Barrel
02-15-2013, 12:34 PM
So you agree it's funny to think Harvin is an upgrade over Welker??

yep.

greekdbag
02-15-2013, 05:15 PM
Leach left, running game degrades as the games go by. What is more important than a top running game to the Kubiak offense? Nothing. Casey makes a few catches but really doesn't do much....Casey is the one being romanticized.

Losing Brisiel and Winston hurt us a lot more than losing Leach.

thunderkyss
02-15-2013, 06:27 PM
Losing Brisiel and Winston hurt us a lot more than losing Leach.

However, being that Foster still ran for 1400 yards in 2012, the future is looking bright.

Uncle Rico
02-15-2013, 07:44 PM
so the reason we need to keep him is the fear of what he could do with the patriots? that is real weak.

dude is not a fullback. nice TE. he gets destroyed more often than not in the gap. blood on the moon.

we need a more stocky. low center of gravity gap creator. or just run single back all the time and add the extra receiver.

CloakNNNdagger
02-15-2013, 07:53 PM
so the reason we need to keep him is the fear of what he could do with the patriots? that is real weak.

dude is not a fullback. nice TE. he gets destroyed more often than not in the gap. blood on the moon.

we need a more stocky. low center of gravity gap creator. or just run single back all the time and add the extra receiver.

JMHO This team has denied a need for an unmoveable FB battering ram as much as they have denied a need for an unmoveable NT batering ram in the middle.

thunderkyss
02-15-2013, 08:05 PM
so the reason we need to keep him is the fear of what he could do with the patriots? that is real weak.


Where'd that come from?

powda
02-15-2013, 09:14 PM
JMHO This team has denied a need for an unmoveable FB battering ram as much as they have denied a need for an unmoveable NT batering ram in the middle.

Yup. They dont like prototypes in those positions. They prefer more athletic types they then refuse to use according to the players skill set.

HoustonFrog
02-15-2013, 10:07 PM
I don't think the Patriots would target him. They're using Woodhead in that role already.

I think the Pats will go after Percy Harvin and let Welker walk.

Anybody here think the idea of Tom Brady throwing to Percy Harvin is just unfair to the rest of the NFL on many levels? Yeah, me too!

For as good and reliable as Welker is, Harvin is an upgrade.

The scary team is SF. Add Harvin there and you have a top read option QB with Harvin being a RB/WR..like he was in Minny...and you still have Crabtree coming into his own and Davis. That O would be messed up.

I like Casey. He fits the "system." But I wouldn't overpay...its the system.

sandman
02-16-2013, 06:05 PM
Leach left, running game degrades as the games go by. What is more important than a top running game to the Kubiak offense? Nothing. Casey makes a few catches but really doesn't do much....Casey is the one being romanticized.

Not sure I understand the degrading of the running game.

2012 = 2123/4.2 YPC/19 TD
2011 = 2448/4.5 YPC/18 TD

Leach's last year in 2010: 2043/4.8 YPC/20 TD

If you look at the total production in the two years he has been in Baltimore compared with the two years before he got there (Rice has been there four years = 2 with and 2 without), the Ravens running game has virtually the same yards, APC and TD's. 2000/4.3/16

If you want to point to YPC decrease, especially this year, there are so many factors: time killing running plays in 4th quarters, new right side of O-line, Tate not being able to keep himself healthy.

And yet, in spite of all that they still finished in the top 10 for rushing yards and top 5 for rushing TD's. Throw in the fact that they were a top 10 passing team as well, and only one team in the NFL had more passing AND rushing yards, the Patriots.

So in the end, the Texans let Leach walk and kept their production. The Ravens gave him a huge contract, and kept their production. I'm going to say the Texans made out just fine in the deal.

As far as Casey goes, he either gave you better production out of the backfield in the passing game than Leach ever did in his 5 years here, or he gave you #2 TE stats, because his numbers this year were comparable to the last three years that Dreesen had. Considering that Graham was the #2 TE and did not get as targeted as much as Casey did as the FB, especially considering the two-TE sets that this team employs, it shows that Casey could be a very adequate #2 TE.

I'm not stating that Casey is or ever will be the pure blocking FB that Leach was. Casey should not be paid big FB money because he is a hybrid. But let's not pretend that he was hot garbage out there and him walking away would not a detriment to this offense.

CloakNNNdagger
02-16-2013, 08:46 PM
Casey vs. Dreesen. Look at DYAR and DVOA

TEs 2012 FOOTBALLOUTSIDERS (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te2012)

TEs 2011 FOOTBALLOUTSIDERS (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te2011)

deucetx
02-18-2013, 07:33 AM
Not sure I understand the degrading of the running game.

2012 = 2123/4.2 YPC/19 TD
2011 = 2448/4.5 YPC/18 TD

Leach's last year in 2010: 2043/4.8 YPC/20 TD

If you look at the total production in the two years he has been in Baltimore compared with the two years before he got there (Rice has been there four years = 2 with and 2 without), the Ravens running game has virtually the same yards, APC and TD's. 2000/4.3/16

If you want to point to YPC decrease, especially this year, there are so many factors: time killing running plays in 4th quarters, new right side of O-line, Tate not being able to keep himself healthy.

And yet, in spite of all that they still finished in the top 10 for rushing yards and top 5 for rushing TD's. Throw in the fact that they were a top 10 passing team as well, and only one team in the NFL had more passing AND rushing yards, the Patriots.

So in the end, the Texans let Leach walk and kept their production. The Ravens gave him a huge contract, and kept their production. I'm going to say the Texans made out just fine in the deal.

As far as Casey goes, he either gave you better production out of the backfield in the passing game than Leach ever did in his 5 years here, or he gave you #2 TE stats, because his numbers this year were comparable to the last three years that Dreesen had. Considering that Graham was the #2 TE and did not get as targeted as much as Casey did as the FB, especially considering the two-TE sets that this team employs, it shows that Casey could be a very adequate #2 TE.

I'm not stating that Casey is or ever will be the pure blocking FB that Leach was. Casey should not be paid big FB money because he is a hybrid. But let's not pretend that he was hot garbage out there and him walking away would not a detriment to this offense.

Couple of things when comparing the running game. In 2011 it was not all Casey. it was Vickers too. In fact, they nearly evenly split the run blocking plays that season (Casey 215; Vickers 204) which sort of tells you how the team felt about Casey's run blocking abilities since Vickers had a total of 281 plays and they were all mainly for run blocking.

None the less take PFF grades. Since 2008 Leach was top three in run blocking every season except the one we had Slaton and Moats sharing the load. Even one season Slaton averaged 4.8 with Leach. Casey? He has been graded as one of the worst run blocking fullbacks in the league generally graded in '11 and '12 in the 20's (24th and then 21st).

So yeah at FB from the blocking perspective he has been hot garbage or maybe lukewarm garbage, heh. He has other benefits which are better to be focused on while letting someone else field the lead blocking role.

sandman
02-18-2013, 04:32 PM
Couple of things when comparing the running game. In 2011 it was not all Casey. it was Vickers too. In fact, they nearly evenly split the run blocking plays that season (Casey 215; Vickers 204) which sort of tells you how the team felt about Casey's run blocking abilities since Vickers had a total of 281 plays and they were all mainly for run blocking.

None the less take PFF grades. Since 2008 Leach was top three in run blocking every season except the one we had Slaton and Moats sharing the load. Even one season Slaton averaged 4.8 with Leach. Casey? He has been graded as one of the worst run blocking fullbacks in the league generally graded in '11 and '12 in the 20's (24th and then 21st).

So yeah at FB from the blocking perspective he has been hot garbage or maybe lukewarm garbage, heh. He has other benefits which are better to be focused on while letting someone else field the lead blocking role.

Here is the deal. They had "that guy" that everyone thinks we need in the FB role, and were not willing to pay him market price. They've brought in others like him, and finally gave the role to hybrid TE. That tells me that they may not value the traditional FB role as much as some here think they should, or at least were not going to pay for it.

Casey came in and succeeded in the opportunities that were given to him. They did not ask him to be a Leach. They asked him to do something different. He was on pace for 40+ catches on the season until the last 5 games when the offense sputtered to 18 points a game. Only one FB had more receptions than Casey on the year, even with only 6 receptions in the last 5 games. Foster had 13 of his 17 rushing TD's from 3 yards or less, and while I don't have the data handy, I'll go on a limb and say Casey was lead blocker in goal situations.

I'm not going to argue that he is comparable to Leach from a blocking perspective, because he isn't. But in the role that they have placed him in, he is doing his part to make this team successful while being an incredible value financially. Casey is not hurting this team, and there are much easier targets on both sides of the ball where we can point to about needing improved play.

Casey will get more than the $615K he made this season. He deserves it and the Texans should pay it. But he shouldn't break the bank, and I doubt the team will put an offer on the table that will. If he goes in FA as a TE to another club, then so be it. But I think it would be stupid for the team to simply let him walk. He is way too versatile a player. IMHO.

CloakNNNdagger
02-18-2013, 09:42 PM
Here is the deal. They had "that guy" that everyone thinks we need in the FB role, and were not willing to pay him market price. They've brought in others like him, and finally gave the role to hybrid TE. That tells me that they may not value the traditional FB role as much as some here think they should, or at least were not going to pay for it.

Casey came in and succeeded in the opportunities that were given to him. They did not ask him to be a Leach. They asked him to do something different. He was on pace for 40+ catches on the season until the last 5 games when the offense sputtered to 18 points a game. Only one FB had more receptions than Casey on the year, even with only 6 receptions in the last 5 games. Foster had 13 of his 17 rushing TD's from 3 yards or less, and while I don't have the data handy, I'll go on a limb and say Casey was lead blocker in goal situations.

In case no one noticed, stout Brandon Brooks was called in on goal line situations quite a bit to act as lead blocker.

deucetx
02-19-2013, 07:24 AM
Casey will get more than the $615K he made this season. He deserves it and the Texans should pay it. But he shouldn't break the bank, and I doubt the team will put an offer on the table that will. If he goes in FA as a TE to another club, then so be it. But I think it would be stupid for the team to simply let him walk. He is way too versatile a player. IMHO.

I agree though I rather see him at tight end. I like Daniels receiving wise but he can't block for crap. Casey has to be somewhat an improvement there and most likely can catch just as good as O.D. with a better chance at YAC. Could just be me but as the season went on Daniels didn't seem the same.

Something tells me though teams will look Casey as more of a TE than a FB and offer him better money than the Texans. I hope not but I still haven't developed faith in Rick Smith's abilities to work magic with salaries so here's to hoping it works out that we don't lose one of the actual athletic pieces on offense we actually have.

sandman
02-19-2013, 04:04 PM
I agree though I rather see him at tight end. I like Daniels receiving wise but he can't block for crap. Casey has to be somewhat an improvement there and most likely can catch just as good as O.D. with a better chance at YAC. Could just be me but as the season went on Daniels didn't seem the same.

Something tells me though teams will look Casey as more of a TE than a FB and offer him better money than the Texans. I hope not but I still haven't developed faith in Rick Smith's abilities to work magic with salaries so here's to hoping it works out that we don't lose one of the actual athletic pieces on offense we actually have.

If he leaves, it is definitely as a TE. I can't imagine that he has that much market value as a FB considering the hybrid role he has played here.

OD had a respectable 4.8 YAC this year, and overall was obviously his best year in about four years thanks to injuries. Even though Casey had a 6.5 YAC, that may have been more scheme than anything else with passes to the flat and releasing from the backfield giving him more open space. It seems like towards the end of the season, Schaub was constantly throwing to OD right at the sideline on 5 yard out routes.

HOU-TEX
03-12-2013, 03:03 PM
Casey's getting quite a bit of attention

Adam Caplan‏@caplannfl

The #Eagles are in the process of scheduling a visit for H-Back James Casey (Texans), per source. There's one of your "jokers" on offense.

HOU-TEX
03-12-2013, 03:06 PM
Looks like he might get paid. Congrats James

Mark Berman‏@MarkBermanFox26

14 teams have expressed interest in FB James Casey including the Texans. His first visit is with the Eagles.

ASidd_1990
03-12-2013, 03:07 PM
He's a good TE but he not really a great blocking FB in the mold of a Vonte Leach or Lawerence Vickers.

Mr teX
03-12-2013, 03:07 PM
I'm sorry, just don't think he's all that everyone here's making him out to be. Could really care less is we kept him to be honest. I'm sure there's a place for him in the league on someone's team, just don't think that it's where many here think it is...ST's maybe?

HoustonFrog
03-12-2013, 03:10 PM
I'm sorry, just don't think he's all that everyone here's making him out to be. Could really care less is we kept him to be honest. I'm sure there's a place for him in the league on someone's team, just don't think that it's where many here think it is...ST's maybe?

I think in a league where teams are mixing up the offenses, they see a lot of potential in his jack of all trades style. Use him at H-Back, TE, split him out. I've seen many people talking about how he is a hot commodity. I think you can do more with him than just say .."play FB this series" and "play TE" this series. I think he could be used more like Aaron Hernandez.

ASidd_1990
03-12-2013, 03:16 PM
John McClain saying Casey has gotten calls from 14 teams.

He's a goner IMO.

Texans misused him I think, watch him be a productive H-back for another team.

Mr teX
03-12-2013, 03:17 PM
I think in a league where teams are mixing up the offenses, they see a lot of potential in his jack of all trades style. Use him at H-Back, TE, split him out. I've seen many people talking about how he is a hot commodity. I think you can do more with him than just say .."play FB this series" and "play TE" this series. I think he could be used more like Aaron Hernandez.

I agree, he can fit in someone's scheme..especially with the spread offenses starting to become much more prominent in the NFL. But as far as him here in our system, with our qb.. he's pretty much a wasted roster spot.

I just don't see him becoming much more than what he already is...which is 1 of those guys that gets an extremely limited amount of snaps for a team but will pop up with a big reception every now & then largely b/c defenses aren't paying him much attention....kinda like the tackle-elgible WR package teams use in the red zone from time to time.

ObsiWan
03-12-2013, 03:18 PM
I think in a league where teams are mixing up the offenses, they see a lot of potential in his jack of all trades style. Use him at H-Back, TE, split him out. I've seen many people talking about how he is a hot commodity. I think you can do more with him than just say .."play FB this series" and "play TE" this series. I think he could be used more like Aaron Hernandez.

Just don't ask him to catch a TD pass in the playoffs.



yeah, I'm still as pissed about that as some are about Jacoby Jones.

HoustonFrog
03-12-2013, 03:25 PM
Just don't ask him to catch a TD pass in the playoffs.



yeah, I'm still as pissed about that as some are about Jacoby Jones.

Now that you say that he'll catch 5 next year and succeed in playoffs ala Jacoby

HOU-TEX
03-12-2013, 03:49 PM
So much for just a visit. Geesh

Paul Kuharsky‏@espn_afcsouth

ESPN reports #Eagles are closing in on an agreement with #Texans FA TE/FB James Casey.

ASidd_1990
03-12-2013, 03:51 PM
As of 3:51 PM the Texans have cut Kevin Walter and lost FA James Casey to the Eagles.

Bold prediction, Connor Barwin agrees to a deal with Colts/Patriots and we cut Antonio Smith

deucetx
03-12-2013, 03:53 PM
Heh looks like no hometown discount here. If he lands with the Eagles though that is a pretty good fit for him. Oh well, if he moves on then best wishes to the guy. Loved how he played...

....except the play Obi brought up lol.

texanskan
03-12-2013, 04:04 PM
John McClain saying Casey has gotten calls from 14 teams.

He's a goner IMO.

Texans misused him I think, watch him be a productive H-back for another team.

I agree,

terrible coaching wasting a guy who could of been really special if put in the right situation here in Houston.

Casey will be a beast in Philly

Double Barrel
03-12-2013, 04:05 PM
I'm sorry, just don't think he's all that everyone here's making him out to be. Could really care less is we kept him to be honest. I'm sure there's a place for him in the league on someone's team, just don't think that it's where many here think it is...ST's maybe?

I tend to agree. Solid player, but not spectacular in any one area. Lot of folks prop his versatility. But to me, it' like one of those tools with lots of tools built in. Nice, but never going to be as good as a stand-alone screwdriver, scissors, etc.

76Texan
03-12-2013, 04:29 PM
One thing you can say is that the Texans drafted well, especially if you think that Casey was not used correctly.

rolyat93
03-12-2013, 04:36 PM
I've got faith that Clutts will be a very good FB this year after he has an off-season to learn the playbook and such.


Casey was more a pass catcher which will suit him well with Chip Kelly. Best of luck to him.

dtran04
03-12-2013, 04:37 PM
Good for him. Probably didn't want to play FB either. I wouldn't if I was in his shoes. Should be interesting in that Chip Kelly offense.

Vance87
03-12-2013, 05:41 PM
Looks like the Eagles are closing in on a deal.

Playoffs
03-12-2013, 05:50 PM
Buh bye, James. http://velorooms.com/Smileys/default/wave.gif

Enjoy Phillyfan.

htowntexans1985
03-12-2013, 07:07 PM
John McClain @ McClain_on_NFL

James Casey has agreed to a 3-year contract worth $14.5 million. With Philadelphia.

srrono
03-12-2013, 07:09 PM
John McClain @ McClain_on_NFL

James Casey has agreed to a 3-year contract worth $14.5 million. With Philadelphia.

Damn I did not expect that big of a deal wow.

dalemurphy
03-12-2013, 07:14 PM
John McClain @ McClain_on_NFL

James Casey has agreed to a 3-year contract worth $14.5 million. With Philadelphia.

gotta let him go at that price.

Here's what that will mean for us: 5th round compensatory pick in 2014...

**We will definitely lose more free agents than we sign, so these signings can be viewed this way.

htowntexans1985
03-12-2013, 07:16 PM
I agree. We can't keep everyone. Cushing needs to get paid next season. And we need to keep the books open for him.

TexCanada
03-12-2013, 07:38 PM
That seems like a huge amount for Casey.

C Madd
03-12-2013, 07:44 PM
I have a feeling Casey is going to do well. Glad he will finally get utilized at TE instead of FB. Good luck, James!

thunderkyss
03-12-2013, 07:52 PM
Damn I did not expect that big of a deal wow.

I'm sure he wasn't either, otherwise he'd have kept shopping. this is still day 1, that was his first visit.

Texn4life
03-12-2013, 07:57 PM
I'm happy to see him get paid. He's such a hard worker and a selfless, team first guy. I hate to lose him, but we can't keep everybody.

Texan_Bill
03-12-2013, 07:59 PM
Looks like he might get paid. Congrats James

Well hell yeah the Eagles are giving Casey a bunch of attention. They'll need a quarterback after week 6.

:kitten:

Dutchrudder
03-12-2013, 08:32 PM
Good for James, and good for the Texans. I don't think we were in any position to offer him much beyond vet minimum, so at least with the size of his deal we can get a 2014 5th round compensatory pick for him. That pick could bump up to a 4th if he does exceptionally well for them and/or they go deep in the playoffs.

Nawzer
03-12-2013, 08:37 PM
Congrats to Casey who deserved a big contract. Always happy to see a good and a hard worker get rewarded for his efforts. I think the Eagles might be a fun team to follow this year.

badboy
03-12-2013, 09:43 PM
Yeah, Eagles really know how to use free agents. Appreciate your time with us James. Clutts to the rescue.

Lucky
03-12-2013, 10:59 PM
Congrats to Casey who deserved a big contract.
Really? Joel Dreessen got a little more than half of Casey's contract. And he had been much more productive Casey.

Still, it's not what you're worth. It's what you can negotiate. Casey has the potential and the Eagle believe they can bring it out.

Say Watt
03-12-2013, 11:13 PM
I still will never understand why we didn't try him at TE more. He seemed to catch everything thrown his way at Rice and made a few amazing catches as a Texan.

Honestly, I'm terrified Casey is going to go to the Eagles and become a bonafide stud TE. I really believe with his size, strength, and athleticism, he could be a top 5-8 TE in the league.

Only time will tell, but it sucks it might happen with another team. Good luck James. The Texans are idiots, IMO, for how they utilized your skill set.

TexanBacker93
03-13-2013, 12:01 AM
Really? Joel Dreessen got a little more than half of Casey's contract. And he had been much more productive Casey.

Still, it's not what you're worth. It's what you can negotiate. Casey has the potential and the Eagle believe they can bring it out.

You also have to remember that Dreessen is from Colorado and was willing to take less to play in his home state. The fans are great out there and love their team. Plus he gets to play with Peyton Manning. I'd drop a little off my salary demands, too.

Casey has to play in front of Philly fans and gets Vick. He should get more money.

I would have liked to see him back, but we essentially trade him for a 5th rounder next year. I think we can find a good replacement.

The Third Man
03-13-2013, 01:07 AM
Good for Casey. He did not perform to that contract, but he was not utilized as much as he could have been. Unfortunately, I will think of him dropping an easy touchdown in the New England playoff game before anything else.

greekdbag
03-13-2013, 01:20 AM
Good for Casey. He did not perform to that contract, but he was not utilized as much as he could have been. Unfortunately, I will think of him dropping an easy touchdown in the New England playoff game before anything else.

I second this post completely.

Wolf6151
03-13-2013, 02:11 AM
Good for Casey I wish him all the best, except when he might be playing against the Texans of course. I hope Philly figures out how to really use him in the offense since Kubiak hasn't figured it out yet.

SAMURAITEXAN
03-13-2013, 02:54 AM
Good luck Casey!

IDEXAN
03-13-2013, 08:09 AM
I also wish Casey nothing but the best in Philly, which is maybe my fav NFC team now with both him and DeMeco on their roster. He's getting a nice chunk of change that I'm sure he will save and invest wisely for his post-NFL life.

deucetx
03-13-2013, 08:56 AM
Just saw the contract and very nice for Casey! Hope he enjoys it up in Philly. That offense could be fun to watch one way or another. Look forward to seeing how Chip implements it in the NFL. Good luck to Case.

HOU-TEX
03-13-2013, 09:01 AM
Just saw the contract and very nice for Casey! Hope he enjoys it up in Philly. That offense could be fun to watch one way or another. Look forward to seeing how Chip implements it in the NFL. Good luck to Case.

Like TB said, they'll be looking for a QB by week 6 anyway. And 6 games is starting to sound a bit generous for Vick

rolyat93
03-13-2013, 09:17 AM
Like TB said, they'll be looking for a QB by week 6 anyway. And 6 games is starting to sound a bit generous for Vick

Nick Foles'll be alright.:bender:

dtran04
03-13-2013, 09:25 AM
I hope they mix in a trick play or two with him throwing the ball. I wonder what position they will peg him as since he really doesn't fit a true position.

I guess they have plans since they paid a good amount.

Honoring Earl 34
03-13-2013, 10:09 AM
Way to go Casey . :bravo:

He is 28 , has a young family and got a 6 million dollar guarantee . The guy has fought his way through a trailer fire in Azle , minor league baseball , football at Rice , and now he gets paid .

Grams
03-13-2013, 10:38 AM
I wish him the best, He was one of my favorite Texans.

Seņor Stan
03-13-2013, 10:40 AM
Sorry to see him go...

Best of luck to Thor!

beerlover
03-13-2013, 11:34 AM
Great fit for Chip Kelly offense & reason why they paid him to a contract that size. Good luck to James & Eagle organization.

Playoffs
03-13-2013, 12:50 PM
Great fit for Chip Kelly offense & reason why they paid him to a contract that size. Good luck to James & Eagle organization.

Good luck to him -- as best as his interests don't conflict with our interests.

http://theconsigliori.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/meeting-with-sollozzo.jpg

Hagar
03-13-2013, 03:35 PM
Casey, you were one of my favorites: Live long and Pros.... well I guess you're already prospering so live long and spend it well!

silvrhand
03-13-2013, 06:23 PM
John McClain @ McClain_on_NFL

James Casey has agreed to a 3-year contract worth $14.5 million. With Philadelphia.

HOLY SNIKES BATMAN..

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/36135292.jpg

ObsiWan
03-21-2013, 09:34 AM
Good for Casey. He did not perform to that contract, but he was not utilized as much as he could have been. Unfortunately, I will think of him dropping an easy touchdown in the New England playoff game before anything else.

I'm afraid this applies to me also. Just as some will never forgive Jacoby, I will never forget this whiff from the guy who supposedly had the best hands on the team.

ObsiWan
03-21-2013, 09:35 AM
Good luck to him -- as best as his interests don't conflict with our interests.

http://theconsigliori.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/meeting-with-sollozzo.jpg

Classic!
unfortunately, Must Spread Rep.