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srrono
02-08-2013, 02:54 PM
Percy Harvin’s first four seasons with the Minnesota Vikings has been great, yet highly complicated. He’s often dubbed the name “wide re-diva,” although his actions could be justified.

Harvin has expressed his frustration in the past and even threatened to skip training camp last year. “Just haven’t been happy lately,” Harvin said of his situation in Minnesota. But he didn’t go into specifics. The Vikings’ star receiver has had several “verbal exchanges” with head coach Leslie Frazier and even reportedly requested a trade. Not to mention, after being placed on injured reserve December 5th for a severely sprained left ankle – Harvin packed up and never returned to Minnesota’s facility. Instead, Harvin decided to rehab at his home in Florida. Coach Frazier and Harvin did not communicate often during the Vikings playoff-push.
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srrono
02-10-2013, 05:52 PM
Report: Vikings looking to trade Harvin
(http://min.scout.com/2/1265767.html)

Local news report says team sources claim that the Vikings are looking to trade Percy Harvin following a blow-up with head coach Leslie Frazier. The incident was credited for why Harvin was placed on injured reserve and why the Vikings are looking to trade Harvin.

Mike Max of WCCO Radio reported this weekend that the Vikings are actively pursuing a trade for wide receiver Percy Harvin.

According to the report, the reason the Vikings put Harvin on injured reserve while he was healing from an ankle injury was related to a meltdown Harvin had that was directed toward head coach Leslie Frazier in the presence of several players.

Sources said that teammates didn’t take well to Harvin’s blow-up at Frazier, which was similar to an episode Harvin had with former head coach Brad Childress. As a result, the report claims, the Vikings are looking to trade Harvin while his trade value is high.

Harvin is under contract for one more season and there has been speculation that, if the Vikings were looking to trade Harvin, any potential trade would likely have to come prior to this year’s draft.
Full link (http://min.scout.com/2/1265767.html)


All Texans fans should start a chain mass email to Rick Smith to ask him to get this done. Harvin can be #2 now and future #1 after AJ is gone.

steelbtexan
02-10-2013, 06:00 PM
Last offseason when Harvin was rumored to be on the block I suggested the Texans trade for Harvi and most people on the MB said no he wouldn't be worth a 1st rd pick.

I wonder how those people feel about Harvin after an MVP type season? I would rather cut all of the Texans FA's except Quin if it meant adding Harvin.

Allstar
02-10-2013, 06:31 PM
This is a guy I'd LOVE to have

Wolf
02-10-2013, 06:38 PM
So he had a blow ups with two head coaches

Hmmm

srrono
02-10-2013, 06:54 PM
So he had a blow ups with two head coaches
Hmmm

So what he is a diva as long as he can get the job done on the field thats all I care about. Its not like he was accused of double homicide.

stingray
02-10-2013, 07:18 PM
This is exactly the player the Texans need. A difference maker. A speed burner. Somebody to stretch the field. He's got some diva qualities but the texans window of a super bowl run is closing with Andre getting older and not knowing what the future holds at our QB situation.

CretorFrigg
02-10-2013, 07:31 PM
This is exactly the player the Texans need. A difference maker. A speed burner. Somebody to stretch the field. He's got some diva qualities but the texans window of a super bowl run is closing with Andre getting older and not knowing what the future holds at our QB situation.

We don't have a QB that will be able to throw to Percy Harvin in stride. You can have all the speedsters in the world, but there needs to be a QB who can throw to them.

stingray
02-10-2013, 07:35 PM
We don't have a QB that will be able to throw to Percy Harvin in stride. You can have all the speedsters in the world, but there needs to be a QB who can throw to them.

Here we go again. Matt Schaub is not Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, or even Joe Flacco. But he isn't Chrisitan Ponder either. And Harvin did quite well with that guy. I think Percy can do pretty well here in Houston.

ChampionTexan
02-10-2013, 07:45 PM
Here we go again. Matt Schaub is not Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, or even Joe Flacco. But he isn't Chrisitan Ponder either. And Harvin did quite well with that guy. I think Percy can do pretty well here in Houston.

Trade A.J. since Matt doesn't have a really strong arm!
(Yes, it sounds even stupider to me than it probably does to you.)

srrono
02-10-2013, 07:54 PM
Eric Stoner ‏@ECStoner

Wow. MT @SteveBateman99: Talk in Minnesota says Percy Harvin can leave for a 2nd and 4th round pick.

thunderkyss
02-10-2013, 08:06 PM
How's his run blocking?

srrono
02-10-2013, 08:07 PM
Steve Bateman ‏@SteveBateman99
Talk in Minnesota says Percy Harvin can leave for a 2nd and 4th round pick. Will earn $4.02M in 2013 - that's about realistic for the #Jets.

thunderkyss
02-10-2013, 08:20 PM
Steve Bateman ‏@SteveBateman99
Talk in Minnesota says Percy Harvin can leave for a 2nd and 4th round pick. Will earn $4.02M in 2013 - that's about realistic for the #Jets.

Sounds like a Wes Welker replacement if I ever heard one.

Nawzer
02-10-2013, 08:27 PM
Texans are not going to make a move for Harvin. Not the type of move this F.O. is known for.

TexanCR
02-10-2013, 08:28 PM
The problem with Harvin is not that MIN will request a 2nd and a 4th (which I will give in a heartbeat for him) is that Percy will want a huge contract.

We are not going to give two picks for a 1 year player. It hurts to see such a good player available to get but we can't because of Rick Smith ineptitude handling the cap.

:kubepalm:

powda
02-10-2013, 08:33 PM
Harvin isnt just a speedster. He creates after the catch and would help greatly even with schaubs arm...(except when he's hurt.)

2 and a 4? Do it now.

CloakNNNdagger
02-10-2013, 08:43 PM
Report: Vikings will actively pursue Percy Harvin trade


By Chris Wesseling
Around the League Writer
Published: Feb. 10, 2013 at 04:08 p.m.
Updated: Feb. 10, 2013 at 07:53 p.m.

Percy Harvin is mysteriously missing from the Minnesota Vikings' 2013 promotional season ticket poster. Pressed about the talented but volatile receiver's future with the team entering a contract season, general manager Rick Spielman recently played it coy while hinting that there are aspects of the receiver's behavior that aren't easy to love.

Sources tell Mike Max of WCCO in Minneapolis that Spielman will indeed actively pursue a Harvin trade on the heels of a November meltdown directed at head coach Leslie Frazier. The incident happened in front of teammates, who didn't take well to Harvin's tirade just a couple of years after a similar blowup directed at former coach Brad Childress. It was also believed to be the real reason that Harvin was unexpectedly placed on injured reserve with an ankle ailment that didn't require surgery.

While local beat writers have speculated that Harvin would go on the trade block this offseason, it's worth noting that none has backed Max's report of irreconcilable differences.

Any team dealing for Harvin will have to pony up for an extension, likely more than $10 million per season. Considering his baggage, an NFL personnel man estimated that Harvin would fetch just a second- or third-round pick in return. One writer covering the Vikings bets the New England Patriots will go after Harvin, as head coach Bill Belichick "loves" the league's premier slot receiver.link (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000137929/article/report-vikings-will-actively-pursue-percy-harvin-trade)

Allstar
02-10-2013, 08:53 PM
I'd give up a first and fourth. A 2nd and 4th? No brainer.

TexanCR
02-10-2013, 08:53 PM
I can see him wearing a NE uniform next season, he will be the perfect replacement for Wes Welker, if they let him walk.

More dominance for NE...but don't worry we have Kevin Walter.

Playoffs
02-10-2013, 09:12 PM
Any team dealing for Harvin will have to pony up for an extension, likely more than $10 million per season. Considering his baggage, an NFL personnel man estimated that Harvin would fetch just a second- or third-round pick in return.

Uhh, waiter! Check, please. http://www.myhyundaiforums.com/images/smilies/waving-smiley---black-matted.gif

CloakNNNdagger
02-10-2013, 09:17 PM
Uhh, waiter! Check, please. http://www.myhyundaiforums.com/images/smilies/waving-smiley---black-matted.gif

:spit: MSR

BullBlitz
02-10-2013, 09:36 PM
Texans are not going to make a move for Harvin. Not the type of move this F.O. is known for.

No. Of course not. The Texans won't take a risk on a proven talent who has had a little controversy at the beginning of his NFL career.

The risk the Texans love to take is to sign unproven players and just hope they turn into something some day. Once in a millennium that strategy gets you a player like Arian Foster. Unfortunately that's not often enough to make much of a difference.

Maybe Harvin will go to the Colts.

infantrycak
02-10-2013, 09:53 PM
The risk the Texans love to take is to sign unproven players and just hope they turn into something some day.

Yeah because JJo, Manning, Cody, Myers, James, Leach, Pollard, etc. had shown nothing in this league. Nice BullShlitz

Texn4life
02-10-2013, 11:07 PM
I love Percy's ability, but his Migraine and injury history scare the crap out of me. Pretty sure that's the only reason Minny hasn't offered him a big contract yet. Injuries can be problematic with anyone, but if you could promise me that his Migraines wouldn't be a problem again then I'd bite. With the way the league is so careful about head injuries these days I worry that anything head/brain related is too big of a risk to invest heavily in.

thunderkyss
02-10-2013, 11:30 PM
A 2nd & a 4th plus $10M/yr for Harvin....... or

$10M/yr for Bolden....... or

$10M/yr for Bowe?

Texn4life
02-10-2013, 11:38 PM
A 2nd & a 4th plus $10M/yr for Harvin....... or

$10M/yr for Bolden....... or

$10M/yr for Bowe?

Hell no to all of the above! I just can't see a receiver being worth that much money when all of them have big time question marks. They're all talented but I'd be hot if the Texans even thought about any of the above for that price.

Wolf
02-11-2013, 06:27 AM
For the record,I believe that I read AJ is making 9.6 ish this year with performance bonus'

Scooter
02-11-2013, 07:23 AM
i'd pass. a 2 and 4, plus a very large impending contract for a guy who hasnt topped 1,000 yards or 6 td's, hasnt been able to get along with coaches or teammates, and struggles to play a full season. harvin certainly looks like what we need opposite andre, but between the contract and other baggage i think he costs too much.

Corrosion
02-11-2013, 07:47 AM
Last offseason when Harvin was rumored to be on the block I suggested the Texans trade for Harvi and most people on the MB said no he wouldn't be worth a 1st rd pick.

I wonder how those people feel about Harvin after an MVP type season? I would rather cut all of the Texans FA's except Quin if it meant adding Harvin.

Those first and second round picks are very valuable and since they are now salary slotted are a major way of cap management Also the salary cap and NFL rules are very trade prohobitive .... I would be hard pressed to give up a #1 or #2 for any player in the league (save for the obvious stars).

You look at what other players have been moved for - Brandon Marshall (third I believe) Demeco (5th) and a host of others .... history says picks are worth more than even established players in most cases.

If Minny is to move Harvin , I dont see them having a lot of leverage against those teams inolved. I think he could be had for a 3rd rounder or less.

As for Harvin being a headcase , I think the no nonsense attitude of many of the guy's on this roster along with Kubiak being a hardass even if you guy's dont see it or the media portrays him otherwise would keep him in line.

I dont know that McNair would sign off on that deal tho ..... :polevault:

El Tejano
02-11-2013, 09:43 AM
All I had to read was that he had problems with Brad Childress and Leslie Frazier to know that our team will not go for him.

I know our team could use him though. IMO our offense missed Jacoby. Hear me out on that first. Even though Jacoby would drop passes, he also made long plays and a defense still had to respect him. We didn't have that last year and we became one dimensional in our passing game (horizontal). If we had a legitimate deep threat not named Andre Johnson, then alot more stuff would've opened up for us.

Perhaps we can package our compensatory picks and make something happen though. But we all know our FO's philosophy is to keep our draft picks to build our team through the draft.

Corrosion
02-11-2013, 09:50 AM
.

Perhaps we can package our compensatory picks and make something happen though. But we all know our FO's philosophy is to keep our draft picks to build our team through the draft.

Cant trade comp picks.

HOU-TEX
02-11-2013, 09:51 AM
All I had to read was that he had problems with Brad Childress and Leslie Frazier to know that our team will not go for him.

I know our team could use him though. IMO our offense missed Jacoby. Hear me out on that first. Even though Jacoby would drop passes, he also made long plays and a defense still had to respect him. We didn't have that last year and we became one dimensional in our passing game (horizontal). If we had a legitimate deep threat not named Andre Johnson, then alot more stuff would've opened up for us.

Perhaps we can package our compensatory picks and make something happen though. But we all know our FO's philosophy is to keep our draft picks to build our team through the draft.

Can't trade comp picks.

I'm kind of weery about Harvin. Maybe we could send AJ up there to slap the crap out of him a few times to help get his mind right first.

HoustonFrog
02-11-2013, 10:07 AM
Love this guy. His injury concerns are way overblown as up until last year he had only missed one game due to the migraines. 2 years back he was the most productive WR in the league the 2nd half of the year and started the same last year until the injury. The guy is incredibly talented.

steelbtexan
02-11-2013, 10:49 AM
Those first and second round picks are very valuable and since they are now salary slotted are a major way of cap management Also the salary cap and NFL rules are very trade prohobitive .... I would be hard pressed to give up a #1 or #2 for any player in the league (save for the obvious stars).

You look at what other players have been moved for - Brandon Marshall (third I believe) Demeco (5th) and a host of others .... history says picks are worth more than even established players in most cases.

If Minny is to move Harvin , I dont see them having a lot of leverage against those teams inolved. I think he could be had for a 3rd rounder or less.

As for Harvin being a headcase , I think the no nonsense attitude of many of the guy's on this roster along with Kubiak being a hardass even if you guy's dont see it or the media portrays him otherwise would keep him in line.

I dont know that McNair would sign off on that deal tho ..... :polevault:

I consider Harvin to be a star type player,so I wouldn't have a problem giving up a 2nd,although I see your point. He would be a perfect fit for a rag armed QB like Schaub. He's great at running bubble screens drags and stuff close to the LOS. Harvin is a threat to score a TD any time he has the ball in hisands. Whether it's out wide, in the slot or in the backfield. The Texans have never really had a weapon like Harvin. I can only dream about how Gary would use him all over the field.

You need a WR/KR? Harvin is one of the best. Although he hasn't been PR much anymore.

The Bears gave up two 3rds for Marshall. Think they would do that deal again? I view Harvin in the same light as Marshall. Harvins problems with coaches/management all go back to him wanting a new contract. So I dont see him as being a lockeroom problem.

I cant see BoB trading for a guy like Harvin either. It might be to traumatic to bring in a guy like Harvin at 10 mil per year.

thunderkyss
02-11-2013, 10:50 AM
I know our team could use him though.
If we had a legitimate deep threat not named Andre Johnson, then alot more stuff would've opened up for us.


Is Percy Harvin a deep threat? I think he's more of a flex player, kinda like James Casey. I don't think he's a true WR. I've been given flack about it before, but I stand by that statement. He's a playmaker & that's what makes him dangerous. He is not a deep threat.

Check out his avg per catch, it's reads more like a really good TE or a RB, not a WR. He had 62 catches for 677 yards @ 10.9 ypc. He's had 8 catches over 20 yards, 1 catch over 40 yards, 36 first downs, 3 TDs.

By comparison, Kevin Walter had 41 catches for 518 yards @ 12.6 ypc. He had 5 catches over 20 yards, 1 over 40 yards, 27 first downs, & 2 TDs.

I'm all about getting play makers on the field, so I'm on board with bringing Percy Harvin to Houston. But he's not going to stretch the field. I don't think he has to, we'd still need to acquire a speed receiver to stretch the field.

BullNation4Life
02-11-2013, 11:30 AM
As many have said, Harvin is not the type of player to be a deep threat, he is, however, the type of player that can turn a 5 yard slant into a 50 yard gain or a TD. Not to mention his return skills

Would love yo have him as a weapon, but he will go to someone like NE, Denver or, God forbid, Colts.

Texans FO do not have the stones to trade for/rent a player like this for a year, if they cannot get a new contract done...

Bulls on Parade
02-11-2013, 11:32 AM
Last offseason when Harvin was rumored to be on the block I suggested the Texans trade for Harvi and most people on the MB said no he wouldn't be worth a 1st rd pick.

I wonder how those people feel about Harvin after an MVP type season? I would rather cut all of the Texans FA's except Quin if it meant adding Harvin.
He'd be worth whatever it took for Houston to land him.

HoustonFrog
02-11-2013, 11:47 AM
Just some more stats on the guy in case people hadn't researched what he did in 2011 to his injury and last year in general when he was getting early MVP talk

bleacherreport.com/articles/1376111-nfl-awards-percy-harvin-and-7-surprising-mvp-candidates


Of receivers who have received 36 or more targets, Harvin has the highest target-to-catch percentage, coming down with 79 percent of the 62 targets (sixth in the NFL) he's received.


This former Florida Gator leads the league in both receptions (49) and yards after catch (316). After Harvin's 316 yards after catch, Darren Sproles is a distant second with 230. Such goes to show just how explosive this Minnesota pass-catcher is with the ball in hands


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1369708-minnesota-vikings-why-percy-harvin-could-be-legitimate-nfl-mvp-candidate


It's worked well since then. Harvin has led the NFL (among wide receivers) in offensive touches in the past year with 151. By comparison, the next highest total is 111 by Wes Welker of New England.
With those touches, Harvin makes a difference. He's racked up 1,362 combo yards (1,113 receiving, 249 rushing) for an average of 9.01 yards every time he touches the ball.


Even more incredible, those numbers don't even include his kick returns. In addition to having a 105-yard kickoff return against the Detroit Lions on September 30, Harvin has been averaging 38.3 yards per return, which leads the NFL.

thunderkyss
02-11-2013, 11:47 AM
Texans FO do not have the stones to trade for/rent a player like this for a year, if they cannot get a new contract done...

What would you think if the Texans used that 2nd round pick on a player that was in the NFL for only one year?

Doppelganger
02-11-2013, 12:14 PM
Watt and Cushing will likely need raises pretty soon.

Not sure they can afford a $10 mill plus contract for Harvin. If the contract numbers worked, I'd consider a 2nd for him.

BigBull17
02-11-2013, 12:58 PM
A team starved for play makers and in a playoff battle IR'ed him for a sprained ankle. Tells me a lot about what he brings. I don't care if my players are boy scouts, but I don't want a me first diva.

thunderkyss
02-11-2013, 01:01 PM
A team starved for play makers and in a playoff battle IR'ed him for a sprained ankle. Tells me a lot about what he brings. I don't care if my players are boy scouts, but I don't want a me first diva.

Gotta respect Frazier & that organization for standing behind him.

GP
02-11-2013, 01:12 PM
i'd pass. a 2 and 4, plus a very large impending contract for a guy who hasnt topped 1,000 yards or 6 td's, hasnt been able to get along with coaches or teammates, and struggles to play a full season. harvin certainly looks like what we need opposite andre, but between the contract and other baggage i think he costs too much.

This ^^^.

No need for GP to add more, that ^^^ is the list I would have posted.

CloakNNNdagger
02-11-2013, 01:21 PM
I like Harvin. But if you heard the strange interview where the Vikings were entirely evasive as to if Harvin was going to be back or not..........no explanation was made for why he might not return.

Just throwing out something to think about. In 2010, Harvin rolled his ankle.......his left ankle. This past season, he again rolled his ankle......his left ankle again. But this time it was a confirmed COMPLETE rupture of the lateral ankle ligament (not really widely publicized). Whether this injury is treated by surgery, or as it has been with Harvin with conservative treatment, studies have shown that 10 to 30% of patients have chronic symptoms, including persistent synovitis (inflammation of the ankle joint) or tendinitis, ankle stiffness, swelling, pain, muscle weakness, complaints of the ankle “giving-way,” and recurrent injury. Ongoing physical therapy programs are geared to reduce instability. However, for individuals with chronic instability refractory to conservative measures, surgery may be needed.....with further concerns listed above......on top of the additional concern of surgical complications.

It may be that the Vikings know something that they are not being totally honest about.

Texecutioner
02-11-2013, 02:30 PM
You guys actually think there is even a slight chance that the Texans would bite on this trade? Lol!

There is no way the Texans even touch this guy. Injury prone, attitude problems, and a trade involving multiple picks for Rick to negotiate? You guys are dreaming.

Either way that is way to much money for Harvin.

HoustonFrog
02-11-2013, 02:33 PM
You guys actually think there is even a slight chance that the Texans would bite on this trade? Lol!

There is no way the Texans even touch this guy. Injury prone, attitude problems, and a trade involving multiple picks for Rick to negotiate? You guys are dreaming.

Either way that is way to much money for Harvin.

Bolded is not true. I think, up until this injury, he had missed like 3 games in his career. People just liked to talk about the migraines. He played in 15, 14 and 16 games his first 3 years.

I also don't get the attitude issues. As I pointed out in the stats earlier, the guy was one of the best overall players in the league for 2011 and into 2012 and did anything the team asked of him from returner, to RB to WR

Playoffs
02-11-2013, 02:56 PM
...It may be that the Vikings know something that they are not being totally honest about.

Yep, and if Harvin does have a potentially chronic ankle there's no way he plays under his current contract. His best position is to hold out for a trade with a new contract and do what he can to pass the physical.

Double Barrel
02-11-2013, 02:56 PM
I'd rather have Mike Wallace in a Texans uni.

thunderkyss
02-11-2013, 03:32 PM
Yep, and if Harvin does have a potentially chronic ankle there's no way he plays under his current contract. His best position is to hold out for a trade with a new contract and do what he can to pass the physical.

I think I suffer from what CnD explained. My ankles are shot... & weak. But I can do everything I've always done on them... if my knees allow it that is.

But every now & then, the slightest things will cause me to twist my ankle. There would be pain for a little while, but I always walk it off & I'm good until the next incident.

Of course, I'm nowhere near the athlete Percy Harvin is & he uses his ankles in ways I never had the ability to do. But my point, is that he may not recognize how bad it is.

My ankles were like this for years before I thought I had a chronic problem that stemmed back to skate boarding when I was a teenager.

I can run a mile now, no problem & if I weren't so out of shape, I could probably run 25 without my ankles bothering me..... as long as I'm on a relatively even surface. I play basketball from time to time, no problem, racketball.. same thing. But I'll be damned if I'm just walking across the yard & my heel falls into an unexpected divit......

I'm hitting the ground. People laugh at me (I can take it) because they can't see what caused me to fall.

Dutchrudder
02-11-2013, 03:39 PM
Man, Percy Harvin and Darelle Revis are available for trade this offseason. A team like Denver or SF trading for either of them would be interesting. I'd like the Texans to get Harvin if possible, but I don't see it happening. The 49ers have the caproom to trade for both, and after seeing them waste a 1st round pick last year on AJ Jenkins, I would think it would be best to trade for a proven guy like Harvin. If they spent a 2nd and 4th on Harvin, and their 1st on Revis, they would have a very good chance of winning it all next year.

infantrycak
02-11-2013, 05:17 PM
First off I would love to have Harvin. I do have concerns about attitude but would take the gamble on that. But the compensation in picks and money is just outside the Texans' reach.

Love this guy. His injury concerns are way overblown as up until last year he had only missed one game due to the migraines. 2 years back he was the most productive WR in the league the 2nd half of the year and started the same last year until the injury. The guy is incredibly talented.

Not sure where you get the bold. Double what he was doing last year and you don't get close to AJ or CJ. Harvin has never topped 1000 yds receiving. AJ had a better rookie year than any Harvin has had so far and that was with Carr throwing to him.

I'd like to have him on the team but I think he is and will be dramatically over valued.

thunderkyss
02-11-2013, 06:10 PM
I'd like to have him on the team but I think he is and will be dramatically over valued.

I feel exactly the same way. But if we end up not getting him, I bet it's going to serve as proof that Bob is Cheap.

Nevermind that there is a hard cap. Bob's Cheap.


& that's just sad.

bhsman
02-11-2013, 07:09 PM
If the FO can't land him, I don't think that'll be an indictment of them seeing as Harvin is going to be targeted by other teams.

As for whether they should, I've been mocking Quinton Patton to Houston in the second a bunch, and getting Harvin would basically mean getting a more experienced Patton right away.

If we can't bring him in, we save some cap space and draft picks. If we do, that's one crucial missing piece filled. Going to be interesting to see where he lands this offseason.

steelbtexan
02-11-2013, 07:12 PM
First off I would love to have Harvin. I do have concerns about attitude but would take the gamble on that. But the compensation in picks and money is just outside the Texans' reach.



Not sure where you get the bold. Double what he was doing last year and you don't get close to AJ or CJ. Harvin has never topped 1000 yds receiving. AJ had a better rookie year than any Harvin has had so far and that was with Carr throwing to him.

I'd like to have him on the team but I think he is and will be dramatically over valued.

Players always seem to be just outside othe Texans reach. Which one is it? If he would make the team better I'm would be all for signing Harvin up. Overvalued is in the eye of the beholder.

BTW, after reading Docs post on Harvins injury history I would pass on him.

But it appears the Pats are going to try to trade for Harvin. We're chasing the Pats, does them getting Harvin and the Texans put them farther ahead of the Texans?

See, the thing is teams like the Pats either, A manage their cap better or B are willing to take chances the Texans are not. This explains part of the difference between the 2 orgs. The Texans say they want to emulate the Pats org. But do they really? Because their actions aren't ringing true to their words. They operate nothing like the Pats.

Goodwrench3
02-12-2013, 12:02 PM
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/is_harvin_to_houston_a_possibility/12897190


He's a really good player. What do you think, guys?

Trap_Star
02-12-2013, 12:09 PM
Percy Harvin hates Brasil.

ThaShark316
02-12-2013, 12:35 PM
Pass.

TheIronDuke
02-12-2013, 01:16 PM
Brought up 3 days ago, thread is in the NFL section where it belongs.

Hookem Horns
02-12-2013, 01:22 PM
Brought up 3 days ago, thread is in the NFL section where it belongs.

I think it's OK being here since this is a discussion of him possibly fitting in with the Texans.

The Texans do need someone else for sure. I don't know enough about this guy (besides him being a good player) to give an educated opinion. Has he had any off the field issues or locker room issues?

Dutchrudder
02-12-2013, 01:43 PM
I think it's OK being here since this is a discussion of him possibly fitting in with the Texans.

The Texans do need someone else for sure. I don't know enough about this guy (besides him being a good player) to give an educated opinion. Has he had any off the field issues or locker room issues?

How about we just have a free agency thread in the NFL section where every free agent is discussed? These threads always end up being about how he would fit on the Texans anyways, might as well clean this place up and corral the discussion. 99% of these guys don't even get an offer from us anyways, so what's it matter?

GP
02-12-2013, 01:49 PM
How about we just have a free agency thread in the NFL section where every free agent is discussed? These threads always end up being about how he would fit on the Texans anyways, might as well clean this place up and corral the discussion. 99% of these guys don't even get an offer from us anyways, so what's it matter?

I'd like an entire Free Agency SUB FORUM in the NFL section for that matter.

Make as many threads about as many free agents as a person's heart is set upon for all I care, just round it all up and put it in one spot and get it out of the general discussion area and out of the NFL general discussion area too while we're at it.

The standing rule for the free agent threads in that forum would be that once a thread is created once for a player, it becomes an All Encompassing Percy Harvin thread. This way you can keep Percy Harvin discussions in one thread in one Free Agent forum...so that the discussion can be tracked each time he's a free agent (making it easy to go back and see what was said about him, to see the flow of the thread from one period to the next of his free agency transactions). If a person starts another Percy Harvin thread, it gets dumped into the All Encompassing Percy Harvin thread that already exists. Magic.

If Mock Drafts forum(s) exists, why not make a Free Agent forum too?

Playoffs
02-12-2013, 01:51 PM
There's just a few too many voices in Viking-land unanimously urging Harvin's ouster for my liking. It's not like they have anything behind him.

That & $30 million guaranteed makes it a 'no' for me.

Rey
02-12-2013, 02:33 PM
"nobody" wanted jacoby jones here either.

Dutchrudder
02-12-2013, 03:03 PM
"nobody" wanted jacoby jones here either.

I think it's pretty obvious why people didn't want Jacoby, however I'm not so sure why they don't want Percy. If it's simply an attitude thing or maybe he just doesn't like his coach, then I'm OK with it. That's all it seems to be to me, so I'm good with him. And for the record, I wouldn't mind having a guy like Brandon Marshall on the team either, because talent will trump interpersonal issues.

thunderkyss
02-12-2013, 03:07 PM
And for the record, I wouldn't mind having a guy like Brandon Marshall on the team either, because talent will trump interpersonal issues.

Totally depends on the coach. There are some guys who just need to not poke the bear.

badboy
02-12-2013, 03:10 PM
If Texans show interest in Harvin that opens up Da'Rick Rogers; a puffer is a puffer.

CloakNNNdagger
02-12-2013, 03:14 PM
MODS Can we at least merge the other Percy thread?:worldpeace:

badboy
02-12-2013, 03:18 PM
MODS Can we at least merge the other Percy thread?:worldpeace:Hook'em done said NO! Anyways what's the biggie? My eyes get just as tired no matter where the posts are. Often the title tells what thread is about and if you don't want to read ....:fingergun:

CloakNNNdagger
02-12-2013, 03:31 PM
Hook'em done said NO! Anyways what's the biggie? My eyes get just as tired no matter where the posts are. Often the title tells what thread is about and if you don't want to read ....:fingergun:

There was no mention before of "merging" the thread here ........just of not "moving" the thread to the NFL section. Most of the NFL-based thread has been how it relates to the Texans anyway. Merging would just make the subject more complete and compact, with much more continuity, and with much less chance of duplication of facts/thoughts. If this merger doesn't happen, I can and will adapt and read the NFL thread with my left eye while reading the Texans Talk thread with my right.:D

RT22
02-12-2013, 04:59 PM
In my opinion No! The Texans go out of there way to avoid players with attitude problems like Harvin. Would he be a great fit schematically? Yes. But I Can also see Harvin yelling at Kubiak on the sideline when he is not involved in the gameplan and is the 4th option behind Arian, Andre and Owen.

Quick II Draw
02-12-2013, 05:50 PM
Why does everyone think the Texans can/should go after every big name FA available?

Do they really think the Texans have the $$$ to sign any big players? Let alone an injury-prone niche player?

brakos82
02-12-2013, 05:52 PM
This is going to be a migraine. :kitten:

Goldensilence
02-12-2013, 07:00 PM
I like the thought of making this move. I think Percy could really stretch defenses and give us a legit second outside threat, which this offense border desperately needs.

thunderkyss
02-12-2013, 07:49 PM
I like the thought of making this move. I think Percy could really stretch defenses and give us a legit second outside threat, which this offense border desperately needs.

What is it about Harvin that makes you think he is capable of either stretching the field, or threaten a defense on the outside?

Don't get me wrong, I think Harvin is a dynamic player & I'd love to see him in a Texans uni next year, but if you think this offense needs a deep threat or a major weapon on the edge, Harvin is not that guy.

Rey
02-12-2013, 08:01 PM
Why does everyone think the Texans can/should go after every big name FA available?

Do they really think the Texans have the $$$ to sign any big players? Let alone an injury-prone niche player?

He's not a free agent. Wed have to get him through trade and he still has a year left on his rookie deal.

He'd likely be looking for a new contract here, but you're pretty much off base in regards to having the money to get him.

Rey
02-12-2013, 08:06 PM
I think it's pretty obvious why people didn't want Jacoby...

Well, my point was jacoby was perceived to be a screw up knuckle head. And that might still be the case...but a team took him in and got enough out of him to help them win a superbowl.

Everyone wants a big upgrade at wr, but no one wants to take a risk. We are trying to get a bargain due to our cap problems. If the guy is as talented as Harvin with no issues he's going to cost a lot more to get if he's even available.

thunderkyss
02-12-2013, 08:10 PM
He's not a free agent. Wed have to get him through trade and he still has a year left on his rookie deal.

He'd likely be looking for a new contract here, but you're pretty much off base in regards to having the money to get him.

The rumor is that the Vikings are expecting him to hold out. So the thinking is if we were to trade for him, he'll most likely not play for the remainder of his contract.

While I do believe he will hold out if we trade for him, I don't think he would hold out if he were traded to a true contender, San Francisco or New England

Rey
02-12-2013, 10:44 PM
The rumor is that the Vikings are expecting him to hold out. So the thinking is if we were to trade for him, he'll most likely not play for the remainder of his contract.

While I do believe he will hold out if we trade for him, I don't think he would hold out if he were traded to a true contender, San Francisco or New England

Yeah, I'm up to speed, but I'm not sure if he'd hold out wherever he was traded. There's other issues in minny besides money...his playing time has been a problem for him ...he wanted to reach certain incentives in his contract and he felt like he wasn't being allowed to do so by being taken off the field too often....

But if we traded for him I think it'd be a non issue because I think they'd try to extend him. And he can afford to hold out in minnesotta through camp and pre season or whatever...he knows the plays there...he has proven himself as a player in that locker room...

Can you imagine how difficult hed make it on himself by being traded and then holding out?

He has to be smarter than that....right? Seems like he'd have more to lose in that situation than gain...

steelbtexan
02-12-2013, 10:55 PM
He's not a free agent. Wed have to get him through trade and he still has a year left on his rookie deal.

He'd likely be looking for a new contract here, but you're pretty much off base in regards to having the money to get him.

Yep, and he's making life diffucult for the Vikings because he wants to be paid. The Vikings dont want to pay him which is why Harvin is on the block.

Pay him and there wont be any problems. He smoked pot to help him with his migranes. They figured out how to help control them and Harvin has been pot free since.

Hookem Horns
02-13-2013, 01:18 AM
Hook'em done said NO!

I don't have a problem with anyone merging the thread. BTW, I only pay the bills here. I am not a mod. I like to let them do their job and stay out of the way.

I just voiced my opinion that I thought discussing the pros/cons of Harvin being a Texan was ok in the Texans section.

:)

thunderkyss
02-13-2013, 07:20 AM
Can you imagine how difficult hed make it on himself by being traded and then holding out?

He has to be smarter than that....right? Seems like he'd have more to lose in that situation than gain...

I don't know what half these guys are thinking, but I'm sure if Houston was interested & initiated talks with Minnesota, they'd be given access to Harvin's agent to find out.

But, chances are he'll want a big contract (don't know how big) & that becomes an issue with our cap situation.

Rey
02-13-2013, 08:26 AM
I don't know what half these guys are thinking, but I'm sure if Houston was interested & initiated talks with Minnesota, they'd be given access to Harvin's agent to find out.

But, chances are he'll want a big contract (don't know how big) & that becomes an issue with our cap situation.

I'm not a cap expert, but wouldn't that be a next off season problem?

Even if you extend him, that big cap hit wouldn't come until next season right?

If that is correct, there are other things that can be done between that time to make sure he fits under the cap...

thunderkyss
02-13-2013, 08:31 AM
I'm not a cap expert, but wouldn't that be a next off season problem?

Even if you extend him, that big cap hit wouldn't come until next season right?

If that is correct, there are other things that can be done between that time to make sure he fits under the cap...

Depends on the deal. Harvin wants to get paid now. If we extend him, it will be with a bonus. Depending on the amount of the bonus, the length of his contract, & his 2013 salary his cap hit for 2013 can be $10M

If he's looking for $5M-$8M/yr, I think it would be possible to structure it so that he has a $3M-$5M 2013 cap hit & even that will be a chore for the Texans to get under the cap.

Lucky
02-13-2013, 08:33 AM
I just voiced my opinion that I thought discussing the pros/cons of Harvin being a Texan was ok in the Texans section.

:)
These guys know the rules regarding where to put threads. News about Texan players go into the Texans forum. News about other NFL players go into the NFL. forum. We would have 50 threads about every NFL free agent (or in this case a trade rumor), if we opened up that door.

If it were a piece from a legitimate news source that mentioned the Texans interest, then that would be Texans news. But, this is just a blog from a fan site. He will probably have a piece on Mike Wallace and how he fits with the Texans next week. Rank speculation.

The team that trades for Harvin will need to sign him to a long term deal. Or face the problems the Vikings have had with Harvin's attitude. The Texans are not in a cap position to make a deal like that. So that is how Harvin fits. He doesn't fit.

Vinny
02-13-2013, 04:35 PM
Lucky's right...on all accounts. Thread really belongs in the NFL section and no way we are gonna see Harvin here.

srrono
02-13-2013, 05:45 PM
Harvin could be a double asset meaning HOU needs a another impact WR and possibly keeping that asset away from a AFC rival as in NE. A lot of talk about NE going after Harvin so HOU needs to help themself while hurting NE IMO.

steelbtexan
02-13-2013, 06:12 PM
Why is it that the Pats seem to always have cap room to make moves like Harvin and the Texans are always so cap strapped?

Do Rick/Olsen have a clue about the cap?

thunderkyss
02-13-2013, 06:18 PM
Why is it that the Pats seem to aleays have cap room to make moves like Harvin and the Texans are always so cap strapped?

Do Rick/Olsen have a clue about the cap?

I still think they took a chance & gambled that the cap was going to go up last season. They were wrong & had to make some tough choices. They's still paying for that gamble.

It's kinda funny when people say we don't take chances, when the fact is most of the ones we do backfire in our faces.

steelbtexan
02-13-2013, 06:27 PM
I still think they took a chance & gambled that the cap was going to go up last season. They were wrong & had to make some tough choices. They's still paying for that gamble.

It's kinda funny when people say we don't take chances, when the fact is most of the ones we do backfire in our faces.

Backfiring in their face means they've got the wrong people calling the shots.

I'm looking at you Smoothe Ricky

BullBlitz
02-13-2013, 06:39 PM
Why is it that the Pats seem to aleays have cap room to make moves like Harvin and the Texans are always so cap strapped?

They have a very smart and strategically-oriented front office. They don't get caught having paid huge contracts in advance of proven performance that restrict them. The have a "get it done" attitude and take intelligent, measured risks with low downside. They have conviction that they can take a talented player that has had some controversy and inspire him to want to win.

Closer to home, we hear "they can't", "they won't", and "they don't".....as in sign a player like Harvin. If we don't even show an interest in him, I hope signs on with an AFC team.

thunderkyss
02-13-2013, 06:51 PM
I don't understand why New England wouldn't just keep Welker, he's shown that he can & will do what ever they ask & he just keeps getting better.

Goldensilence
02-13-2013, 06:53 PM
What is it about Harvin that makes you think he is capable of either stretching the field, or threaten a defense on the outside?

Don't get me wrong, I think Harvin is a dynamic player & I'd love to see him in a Texans uni next year, but if you think this offense needs a deep threat or a major weapon on the edge, Harvin is not that guy.

AJ is still a viable deep threat and I think Harvin still have the speed and elusiveness to be effective outside, but I think he'd be better suited being moved around creating mismatch opportunities and breaking short crossing passes into something much bigger. While Martin is shifty enough in the slot I still am not sure he has the ability to break away from defenders the way Harvin can.

At any rate this offense could use ANYONE more dynamic at WR.

steelbtexan
02-13-2013, 07:39 PM
I don't understand why New England wouldn't just keep Welker, he's shown that he can & will do what ever they ask & he just keeps getting better.

Umm, I'm going to guess Harvin and Welker want about the same $$$$ and BB thinks Harvin is better. They've come close with to winning a SB with a Brady to Welker combo. They think Brady to Harvin is better and will be enough to win a SB. Will it happen, who knows? But I like that the Pats are willing to take chances. Unlike my favorite team.

steelbtexan
02-13-2013, 07:39 PM
They have a very smart and strategically-oriented front office. They don't get caught having paid huge contracts in advance of proven performance that restrict them. The have a "get it done" attitude and take intelligent, measured risks with low downside. They have conviction that they can take a talented player that has had some controversy and inspire him to want to win.

Closer to home, we hear "they can't", "they won't", and "they don't".....as in sign a player like Harvin. If we don't even show an interest in him, I hope signs on with an AFC team.

That's one way to put it. LOL

Good answer

sometexansfan
02-13-2013, 09:19 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/13/report-harvin-could-be-seeking-megatronfitzgerald-money/

Dude supposedly wants top 3 WR money, so yeah good luck with that.

Bulls on Parade
02-13-2013, 09:33 PM
I don't understand why New England wouldn't just keep Welker, he's shown that he can & will do what ever they ask & he just keeps getting better.
Good stats and production aside, I still remember the Super Bowl against the Giants on what would have likely been a game-winning, first down catch that he just dropped. I'd rather have Percy Harvin instead of Wes Welker right now despite what the numbers say. The only numbers that matter to me are 31 years old versus 24 years old. I want a guy who will be around a longer time.

Lucky
02-13-2013, 11:34 PM
Why is it that the Pats seem to always have cap room to make moves like Harvin and the Texans are always so cap strapped?

Do Rick/Olsen have a clue about the cap?
The Patriots aren't paying a WR the kind of $$$ that Andre Johnson gets. They're not paying a RB what Arian Foster gets. Or a CB or Safety what Joseph and Manning get. Yeah, they're paying a QB franchise type money. So are the Texans.

I'm not defending the Texans management. Just pointing out that the Texans have more players making big bucks, which is why the Pats have more cap flexibility.

BullBlitz
02-14-2013, 12:49 AM
The Patriots aren't paying a WR the kind of $$$ that Andre Johnson gets. They're not paying a RB what Arian Foster gets. Or a CB or Safety what Joseph and Manning get. Yeah, they're paying a QB franchise type money. So are the Texans.

I'm not defending the Texans management. Just pointing out that the Texans have more players making big bucks, which is why the Pats have more cap flexibility.

Schaub played 18 games in 2012. Andre played 18 games in 2012.

As you noted above, the Texans are paying franchise QB type money to Schaub, and big dollars to Andre, both of whom are Pro Bowlers.

Net result for this investment: 4 TDs.

I have nothing bad to say about Andre Johnson. But what kind of offensive coaching wastes this kind of money?

thunderkyss
02-14-2013, 12:52 AM
The only numbers that matter to me are 31 years old versus 24 years old. I want a guy who will be around a longer time.

It's not likely that either receiver will play for the Patriots 10 years from now. They'll probably sign him for 5-6 years, but the next 3 is all that really matters. If he doesn't perform over the next 3, chances he'll be cut before the final two.

So the only years that matter, are the next three.

Welker may very well have peaked. Harvin may peak in the next three.

I'm not saying there is a clear cut right choice, but I don't thin their ages make it a no brainer.


Another thing, the way the Randy Moss experiment ended, & the Ocho Cinco debacle, I'm not so sure the Patriots would be interested.

htowntexans1985
02-14-2013, 12:23 PM
Dude wants Megatron mega bucks. He needs to put that crack pipe down.

CloakNNNdagger
02-14-2013, 02:11 PM
Percy Harvin has the Minnesota Vikings in a pickle, and he knows it.

The whole NFL knows it, which only makes it more challenging to extract value from a dynamic, 24-year-old playmaker who has griped and priced his way towards the trading block, at least for now.

"Everybody thinks they can change guys," a personnel man for another NFC team said this week. "How's he going to be in a winning locker room with a solid quarterback? Stuff like that comes into play, and you begin to walk down that road or think, 'Oh, we could change this guy.'

"But (expletive), be careful, because if (expletive) does go wrong, you know who's going to be the first one up. And this is supposed to be a guy that you're paying as a leader."

Harvin wants more than that, though several factors -- a specialized skill set, a complicated medical history and a well-documented pattern of insubordination -- limit the marketplace for a player who, on talent alone, could practically name his price.

Word circulating in league circles is his agent, Joel Segal, is starting the bidding upwards of $10 million a season, which would make Harvin one of the NFL's 10 highest-paid receivers no matter what Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings and Dwayne Bowe command in free agency.

The real goal may be $12 million a year, if not higher -- more than any receiver except All-Pros Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald. That kind of compensation is a bigger issue for teams that have discussed a deal for Harvin than the draft pick(s) it'd take to land him.

REST OF THE STORY (http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Pelissero_Percy_Harvins_contract_demands_have_Viki ngs_in_tough_spot021313)

Bulls on Parade
02-14-2013, 02:32 PM
The Texans didn't have to shell out the big money to Matt Schaub and Arian Foster last off-season. They could have waited until this off-season to decide what to do. Instead they paid both big money and released, didn't re-sign or traded several impact players like Mike Brisiel, Eric Winston, Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans and Jacoby Jones. This was after they cut ties with pro bowl fullback Vonta Leach and Bernard Pollard the previous off-season.

I don't want to hear about the Texans cap space because they have already lost several important players in recent off-seasons. Three of which have been huge contributors to the Super Bowl champion Ravens, when it should have been the Texans winning that Lombardi if Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak were a little smarter.

Talent hasn't been an issue for a long time with the Texans. They've gone into several seasons one of the most talented teams in the league. And all they have to show for it is two measly wild-card wins. That is what fuels the fire so much. Knowing we were better than what we accomplished.

Can we find a way to add Percy Harvin? You better damn well say we can because I don't want to hear any excuses about the salary cap anymore.

thunderkyss
02-14-2013, 06:03 PM
Word circulating in league circles is his agent, Joel Segal, is starting the bidding upwards of $10 million a season, which would make Harvin one of the NFL's 10 highest-paid receivers no matter what Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings and Dwayne Bowe command in free agency.

The real goal may be $12 million a year, if not higher -- more than any receiver except All-Pros Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald. That kind of compensation is a bigger issue for teams that have discussed a deal for Harvin than the draft pick(s) it'd take to land him.

REST OF THE STORY (http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Pelissero_Percy_Harvins_contract_demands_have_Viki ngs_in_tough_spot021313)

That's got to be a collective bargaining violation. Has the Vikings announced they are seeking a trade?

thunderkyss
02-14-2013, 06:14 PM
Can we find a way to add Percy Harvin? You better damn well say we can because I don't want to hear any excuses about the salary cap anymore.

Well, Rick better get on it then.

deucetx
02-15-2013, 12:13 PM
I think the Texans should at least look into it. Whether they should be overly serious about it or not may be another story. But with two different reports of the issues Harvin is having I think it warrants investigating. For instance today's report is that it isn't about money. It's about the scope of the offense the Vikings run that is making him unhappy. As a receiver some could understand his point. It's a run first offense to a degree more than our own which does strive for some semblance of balance. The Vikings don't even act like they have a passing game.

So is it money or is it the offensive scheme? Smith should look into that much to see what is what and if it is an option for the Texans.

thunderkyss
02-15-2013, 01:01 PM
So is it money or is it the offensive scheme? Smith should look into that much to see what is what and if it is an option for the Texans.

But we'll have no idea if he did or did not. If Percy Harvin isn't in a Texans uniform, most won't believe that Rick Smith even inquired.

I personally don't care. Unless Harvin is traded somewhere else without a new contract. Or if that contract comes to less than $5M/yr. Then I'll be upset.

I'd much rather propose a trade for Eddie Royal, or Heyward-Bey, or a Malcolm Flyod... someone to stretch the field.

srrono
02-16-2013, 06:48 PM
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/andre-johnson/

This is the elephant in the room

AJ
2013 cap hit 14,652,918
2014 cap hit 10,569,583
2015 cap hit 14,569,583
2016 cap hit 13,100,000

Its a impossible position.


None of us want AJ cut.
How could the Texans restruture his deal? Add more years I don't see that.

pirbroke
02-16-2013, 08:45 PM
Why did they pick 2014 for a low year?

CloakNNNdagger
02-16-2013, 09:00 PM
Why did they pick 2014 for a low year?

Possibly, because when they restructured, looking ahead, they still counted on being somewhat tight on cap space, but also counting on the fact that the allowable NFL salary cap limit would spike around or just after that time.........from what we now know concerning the future of that limit, they may have outsmarted themselves.

infantrycak
02-16-2013, 09:03 PM
Its a impossible position.

It isn't an impossible situation. It's what you pay for having a HoF talent.

Larry Fitzgerald

2013 - $10.25 mil
2014 - $18 mil
2015 - $21.25 mil
2016 - $18.25 mil

Calvin Johnson

2013 - $12.2 mil
2014 - $12.2 mil
2015 - $19.7 mil
2016 - $23.15 mil

srrono
02-16-2013, 10:34 PM
It isn't an impossible situation. It's what you pay for having a HoF talent.

Larry Fitzgerald

2013 - $10.25 mil
2014 - $18 mil
2015 - $21.25 mil
2016 - $18.25 mil

Calvin Johnson

2013 - $12.2 mil
2014 - $12.2 mil
2015 - $19.7 mil
2016 - $23.15 mil

How many superbowls have they won?

thunderkyss
02-16-2013, 11:11 PM
How many superbowls have they won?

How many have the Bengals or the Jags won?

infantrycak
02-16-2013, 11:46 PM
How many superbowls have they won?

What does that have to do with freaking anything? One player is not a team. Getting rid of superstar WRs is idiocy. Guys like AJ do not come along often. He is not overpriced for his talent level. He would have gotten more if he chose to go on the open market.

srrono
02-17-2013, 12:04 AM
What does that have to do with freaking anything? One player is not a team. Getting rid of superstar WRs is idiocy. Guys like AJ do not come along often. He is not overpriced for his talent level. He would have gotten more if he chose to go on the open market.

i think the way the cap is spent has a lot to due with wether or not a team wins a superbowl. 14 mil a year for AJ is a high percentage of the cap I am in no way saying I dont want AJ here only that his cap number has to come down.

stingray
02-17-2013, 12:43 AM
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/andre-johnson/

This is the elephant in the room

AJ
2013 cap hit 14,652,918
2014 cap hit 10,569,583
2015 cap hit 14,569,583
2016 cap hit 13,100,000

Its a impossible position.


None of us want AJ cut.
How could the Texans restruture his deal? Add more years I don't see that.

I see AJ getting cut or restructuring after the 2014 season. He's probably a future HOF but this league is all about what can you do for me now. And he will be 34 going into the 2015 season, if not mistaken. 14 million is a lot of dough to give to a 34 year old WR. Of course, everything depends on his production and health in the next two seasons.

gg no re
02-17-2013, 12:56 AM
can we have a poll with two options, "puff" and "pass"?