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beerlover
02-07-2013, 11:46 AM
This is where my interest resides given the surplus of talent in this years draft which could enable Texans to still get a highly rated player who fills a need. I'm looking @ one tech-three tech-five tech combos who are both versatile, premium sized for position, low risk & solidify interior as well protect edges.

What do you guys feel about Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State? Strong, bull rusher, collapse/compress pocket, requires double teams, adds depth @ razor thin position & allows Texans to move Cody island. He is a combo 1-3 tech.
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/045/235/hi-res-129035508_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=440&q=75

Kawaan Short has more explosive compact body who could also is a 1-3 combo DL. He is probably the most plus pass rusher for nose, but decent in run support but not the space eater of Hankins or Jenkins.
http://espn.go.com/photo/2012/0906/ncf_a_kshort_dj_600.jpg

Dante Jones, is a 5 tech but could kick inside once he fills in his frame. Fast riser who before Senior Bowl had a 2nd/3rd grade based on a disappointing season with UCLA. Once in mobile he show cased best power/strength combo I've seen in this class. Huge hands, explosive first step plays big. Would bookend Watt, provide excellent depth, high ceiling DL.
http://binaryapi.ap.org/6242a7beb46941bc97bf65885fa699f5/512x.jpg

Playoffs
02-07-2013, 12:24 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VJWCsNZ3ALs/UQXStneMMHI/AAAAAAAAEzc/F2LI93lEOQQ/s1600/s-john-jenkins.jpg

John Jenkins, 6-3/359, Defensive Tackle. Georgia

John Jenkins Scouting Report by Charlie Campbell (http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2013johnjenkins.php) - more info at link

Strengths:

Overwhelming size and strength
Can't be moved off line of scrimmage
Tremendous run-defender
Surprising explosiveness
Extremely rare athlete
Good quickness
Quick feet
Good get off
Can collapse the pocket as a pass-rusher
Fabulous bull rush
Huge bulk
Constantly fills his gap
Very agile
Requires multiple blockers
Perfect fit as a zero-technique in a 3-4
Ready to play immediately in the NFL
Incredibly hard to move at line of scrimmage
Scheme versatility

Weaknesses:

Not much pass-rushing production
Conditioning
Will need to be rotated to stay fresh
Motor?

badboy
02-07-2013, 12:33 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VJWCsNZ3ALs/UQXStneMMHI/AAAAAAAAEzc/F2LI93lEOQQ/s1600/s-john-jenkins.jpg

John Jenkins, 6-3/359, Defensive Tackle. Georgia

John Jenkins Scouting Report by Charlie Campbell (http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2013johnjenkins.php) - more info at link

Strengths:

Overwhelming size and strength
Can't be moved off line of scrimmage
Tremendous run-defender
Surprising explosiveness
Extremely rare athlete
Good quickness
Quick feet
Good get off
Can collapse the pocket as a pass-rusher
Fabulous bull rush
Huge bulk
Constantly fills his gap
Very agile
Requires multiple blockers
Perfect fit as a zero-technique in a 3-4
Ready to play immediately in the NFL
Incredibly hard to move at line of scrimmage
Scheme versatility

Weaknesses:

Not much pass-rushing production
Conditioning
Will need to be rotated to stay fresh
Motor?
I have yet to see Jenkins play a good game. In Senior Bowl he looked every pound of his weight. In my eval I wrote "fat, slow= no." Brandon Williams otoh looked quick and strong at 341lbs. I am down to three DTs: Short, B Williams and Sylvester Williams.

thunderkyss
02-07-2013, 12:42 PM
I think something like this will help Jj Watt be Jj Watt in 2013, & it's very important to this team that Jj Watt is Jj Watt in 2013.

Of the three you mentioned, I like the versatility of Jones, but a 1-3 tech would give us extra insurance in case Antonio Smith can't repeat his 2012 season.

But I like the idea of a 1-3 tech as opposed to getting a guy to replace Cody.... get someone who'll stay on the field more often & contribute.

beerlover
02-07-2013, 03:11 PM
So busy, not much time around here lately but most intriguing aspect of this years Superbowl were the physical match-ups across both sides of each team. It was a battle in those trenches, both sides not giving an inch, fists, elbows, knees, feet you name it. To me that is what defines playoff/Super Bowl combatants. Texans just wore down 3/4 through season, not enough depth & JJ amazing as he is had to be running on fumes & desire. The DL is a source of possible immediate improvement given strength of position in this years draft. IMO.

steelbtexan
02-07-2013, 05:11 PM
So busy, not much time around here lately but most intriguing aspect of this years Superbowl were the physical match-ups across both sides of each team. It was a battle in those trenches, both sides not giving an inch, fists, elbows, knees, feet you name it. To me that is what defines playoff/Super Bowl combatants. Texans just wore down 3/4 through season, not enough depth & JJ amazing as he is had to be running on fumes & desire. The DL is a source of possible immediate improvement given strength of position in this years draft. IMO.

Give me Jones

He can help provide pressure that the Texans are sorely lacking. Watt/Jones = pass rush. He would be my pick if he were there at 27. (Doubtful)

Even though I'm an all offense guy in the 1st three rds. Jones is the exception to this rule for me.

Playoffs
02-07-2013, 05:35 PM
I have yet to see Jenkins play a good game. In Senior Bowl he looked every pound of his weight. In my eval I wrote "fat, slow= no." Brandon Williams otoh looked quick and strong at 341lbs. I am down to three DTs: Short, B Williams and Sylvester Williams.

The guys at Walter Football saw it differently: "Jenkins had a phenomenal week of practice at the Senior Bowl. He wasn't known as a pass-rusher for Georgia, but he showed nice pass-rushing potential in Mobile as he dominated the one-on-one sessions. The guards and centers were virtually incapable of keeping him out of the backfield. The massive tackle was destroying linemen with his bull rushes.

Jenkins also displayed surprising explosion. He has a good get-off and fires into blockers to often gain leverage. There were plays when Jenkins drove linemen straight back before shoving them to the ground. He was excellent all week."

And they're even saying he's on the Texan's radar, "I've been told that John Jenkins is a strong option for the Texans at No. 27 if they can't land one of the two SEC linebackers... "

Wolf6151
02-07-2013, 08:21 PM
JMO:

Star Lotulelei, OMG I see why this guy is so highly rated. I haven't really watched tape on him until recently because he was out of our range, but he'd be a guy that if he fell out of the top 15 for some reason I'd trade up to get him.

Johnathan Hankins, I haven't looked at him much and don't know much about him, I always considered him out of our range at #27.

Kawann Short, this has been my guy for us at NT since TC began. He's got the base/foundation (hips, butt, and legs) and strength to anchor well and hold up to the double teams while also having good straight line speed to pursue the QB, and enough lateral agility to play the run. In our 1 gap system he's perfect. I think Short would also free us up to use Mitchell in the DE rotation and some special D-line lineups thus bringing more size to the D-line when needed.

Datone Jones, IMO is to small for 3-4 DE duties. At 274 lbs. he's more of a 4-3 DE or if he loses 15 lbs. and can gain some speed maybe he's a 3-4 OLB. He'd have to add 20 lbs. to play 3-4 DE and I wonder what that kind of added weight would do to his speed and athleticism. Plus he'd only be depth at DE behind Antonio and we need some size added to our D-line at NT.

Jesse Williams, could also be a serious candidate for the Texans. Jesse is probably the strongest NT candidate and a more traditional NT that handles double teams and plays the run while collapsing the middle of the QB pocket. He's got great strength and good straight line speed, but I think he lacks some of the lateral agility/athleticism that Short or Sylvester Williams has.

Sylvester Williams, is more of a speed rusher with good moves, a penetrating NT candidate, or 4-3 DT as well. He lacks the strength of Jesse Williams or Short but has better athleticism/agility and quickness than they do. He could be good for the Texans but I think a good S&C program would help him alot and there'd be a big difference in his 2nd season.

John Jenkins, I read the same thing that Playoffs just posted. I can see him in our system but I think the Texans would have him drop at least 20-25 lbs. and an NFL level strength and conditioning program plus the southeast Texas summer heat would probably melt that weight off quickly with the right nutrition. I think he's got the strength and size to be a very good traditional NT.

Brandon Williams, another guy that I don't know alot about. The limited film I've seen of him, he looks slow but holds up to double teams well and plays the run well, but lacks the athleticism/agility. The Senior Bowl writeups were fantastic. I worry about the step up from D-2 ball to the NFL.



I think it all depends on what type of NT you want for the Texans. Luckily Wade seems to be able to adapt his defense to the type of players we have and not the other way around. I also think that with the structured and disciplined team we've got almost any player we pick will fall in line and learn to be a Texan through hard work. Lets face it any NT we pick is going to have JJ on one side of him, the Ninja on the other side, and a berserk Cushing behind him, he'd be to afraid not to give 100% effort.

mussop
02-08-2013, 12:38 AM
JMO:

Johnathan Hankins, I haven't looked at him much and don't know much about him, I always considered him out of our range at #27.

Kawann Short, this has been my guy for us at NT since TC began. He's got the base/foundation (hips, butt, and legs) and strength to anchor well and hold up to the double teams while also having good straight line speed to pursue the QB, and enough lateral agility to play the run. In our 1 gap system he's perfect.

Datone Jones, IMO is to small for 3-4 DE duties. At 274 lbs. he's more of a 4-3 DE. He'd have to add 20 lbs. to play 3-4 DE and I wonder what that kind of added weight would do to his speed and athleticism. Plus he'd only be depth at DE behind Antonio and we need some size added to our D-line at NT.

Jesse Williams, could also be a serious candidate for the Texans. Jesse is probably the strongest NT candidate and a more traditional NT that handles double teams and plays the run while collapsing the middle of the QB pocket. He's got great strength and good straight line speed, but I think he lacks some of the lateral agility/athleticism that Short of Sylvester Williams has.

Sylvester Williams, is more of a speed rusher with good moves, a penetrating NT candidate, or 4-3 DT as well. He lacks the strength of Jesse Williams or Short but has better athleticism/agility than they do.

John Jenkins, I read the same thing that Playoffs just posted. I can see him in our system but I think the Texans would have him drop at least 20-25 lbs. and an NFL level strength and conditioning program plus the southeast Texas summer heat would probably melt that weight off quickly with the right nutrition. I think he's got the strength and size to be a very good traditional NT.

Brandon Williams, another guy that I don't know alot about. The limited film I've seen of him, he looks slow but holds up to double teams well and plays the run well, but lacks the athleticism/agility. The Senior Bowl writeups were fantastic. I worry about the step up from D-2 ball to the NFL.



I think it all depends on what type of NT you want for the Texans. Luckily Wade seems to be able to adapt his defense to the type of players we have and not the other way around. I also think that with the structured and disciplined team we've got almost any player we pick will fall in line and learn to be a Texan through hard work.


This falls right in with my line of thinking. I just started watching Hankins fopr the same reason. So far he looks good. Don't see the lack of effort I have read in a couple of places. The only knock I have so far is that he tends to lean forward too much at times and lose his balance. Needs to learn better technique to stay low to keep his center of gravity.

Dude moves really well for his size. It's actually pretty impressive. Still I would rather have Short as of now. His penetrating ability is what I like for this defense. IMO having 3 DL that can get penatration is key to taking this defense to the next level. Thats just my preference. I won't be upset if Wades preference leans towards a Hankins. I can't wait for the combine.

CloakNNNdagger
02-10-2013, 09:08 PM
JMO:

Brandon Williams, another guy that I don't know alot about. The limited film I've seen of him, he looks slow but holds up to double teams well and plays the run well, but lacks the athleticism/agility. The Senior Bowl writeups were fantastic. I worry about the step up from D-2 ball to the NFL.



I think it all depends on what type of NT you want for the Texans. Luckily Wade seems to be able to adapt his defense to the type of players we have and not the other way around. I also think that with the structured and disciplined team we've got almost any player we pick will fall in line and learn to be a Texan through hard work. Lets face it any NT we pick is going to have JJ on one side of him, the Ninja on the other side, and a berserk Cushing behind him, he'd be to afraid not to give 100% effort.

This one has more than a chance to be the "sleeper" of the DT Draft.....for sure if he makes it into the 2nd round. He's far from slow and has the motor, the work ethic and mean streak we need to "enforce."


2013 NFL Draft: Missouri Southern Defensive Tackle Brandon Williams
By
Scott Bischoff
(Featured Columnist) on November 28, 2012

Brandon Williams is a gigantic man who plays defensive line for Division II Missouri Southern State University in the Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletic Association. Williams is 6’3", 325 pounds and was recently named MIAA defensive player of the year.

Williams had an incredible senior season. He had 68 total tackles, 16.5 tackles for loss, 8.5 sacks, two pass breakups, eight quarterback hurries, five forced fumbles and a safety. Williams plays as a nose tackle, but is versatile enough to play any position from a 0-technique (lined up directly over the center), to a 5-technique (lined up on the outside shoulder of the offensive tackle).

During his senior season, Williams broke the Missouri Southern sack record, and he finished with 27 sacks during his career at school. To make it clear, Williams is not just a sack artist, but a complete football player who can stop the run and get to the quarterback.

I got the chance to talk to Williams after his senior season ended. He is a charming, engaging, vibrant young man who left me with a very positive impression of who he is, both as a football player and as a person. I imagine that teams are going to fall in love with him during the pre-draft process where they get to meet with him.

The first question I asked was what position he played in college.

“I would be a nose guard”.

I asked him what position he projected himself to play in the NFL.

“I can play in either scheme, a 3-4 or 4-3 because in college I played the whole D-line and then, and when we went to our 3-3 stuff, I was the outside 5-tech as well as over the center. I played in any and every position, so I am comfortable playing in any scheme.”

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/628/896/Brandon_original_original.jpg?1354115342

I asked him what his strength did for him playing along the interior of the defensive line. I wondered if he liked throwing offensive linemen around, so I asked if he liked to stack and shed, or get rid of double-teams.

“It’s all of the above. Playing run stop, playing pass, breaking down double-teams, that was really great. Also, it gives me great pleasure getting off of the ball, the first couple of steps, getting into the offensive linemen and pushing him back two or three yards, it puts pressure on the quarterback as well as giving the running back a hard time to pick a hole.”

We talked about the number of sacks that he has, and how he could get that much pressure on the quarterback from the middle of the defensive line. I asked him how he felt about putting up the number of sacks that he has.

“It feels good. It gives me opportunities to get into different positions and not stay in one position and it gives me a better advantage to use my talents more in a wider range. Playing defensive end, working the 5-technique on the tackle, I can play the run and play between the guard and the center, or I can play between the tackle and the guard.”

He explained that teams were triple-teaming him in the middle at the end of the season and his coaches put him outside to give him a better chance at making plays.



We talked about the process that is going to lead up to the 2013 NFL draft. He was adamant in saying that he just wanted to get picked to have an opportunity to prove himself.

I asked what he wanted to show teams during the process.

“I want to show them just because I'm a small-school guy doesn't mean [I can’t play]. I'm a small-school guy, but I can hang with the best of them. You know, I'm the kind of guy who doesn't take no for an answer. If you tell me I can’t do something, I am going to prove you wrong. I’m going to show them that no matter who the competition is, I’m the guy for it.”

Williams told me that he thinks he can run a 40-yard dash time below the 5.0 second mark and that he “expects his 40 time to be around 4.9’s.” It would be reminiscent of what Kansas City Chiefs nose tackle Dontari Poe did at the 2012 NFL combine, and it would shoot his draft stock soaring as he can play football and he is not just a workout wonder.

I asked Williams what an NFL team would be getting if they were to draft him.

“They would be getting a hard-working player, you know? A player that says what he does and does what he says. I think of myself as a stand-up guy. I think that I am a well-rounded player, you know, on and off the field.”

I asked Williams what an NFL team would be getting if they were to draft him.

“They would be getting a hard-working player, you know? A player that says what he does and does what he says. I think of myself as a stand-up guy. I think that I am a well-rounded player, you know, on and off the field.”link (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1424923-2013-nfl-draft-missouri-southern-defensive-tackle-brandon-williams)

beerlover
02-10-2013, 11:47 PM
From what I've seen Brandon does have a high motor. He uses leverage to his advantage with strong lower body & bubble butt. Seems to have about three pretty good pass rush moves, spin, good rip/chop & bull rush. sort of a thrashing buzz saw on steroids. Given level of play against inferior competition I think teams will tread lightly not to over price his draft grade based off Poe last season. I do like his potential, long term with that work ethic he could be a solid pick in the 2nd. More physical, explosive, yet similar version to Earl Mitchell who Texans drafted in the 3rd.

I'll tell you the real sleeper is for DT class but he shouldn't be because he played @ Penn State & that is Jordan Hill. 6' 1" 1/2 294. Very quick & could also solidify DE with Crick. That is four solid DE's with a couple who can also kick inside, nullifying the need to draft a pure 1 gap NT.

http://thegazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Jordan-Hill-1024x659.jpg

leebigeztx
02-11-2013, 02:55 AM
I like a lot of the nt prospects,but looking at the guys availible in free agency , id rather go get one of those guys. Terrance Knighton and sammy lee hill are 2 guys who will be fairly cheap. The beauty is both are 26 yrs old. Texans could probably offer 5 yrs 17m with 6m guarantee.

pirbroke
02-11-2013, 08:59 AM
The texans have missed twice with previous defensive tackles in first round, so I'm a little nervous on picking that position in first. But it would be nice having someone disruptive next to Watt. It just seems DT 's have a higher bust factor than other positions.

badboy
02-11-2013, 10:04 AM
The guys at Walter Football saw it differently:
And they're even saying he's on the Texan's radar, "I've been told that John Jenkins is a strong option for the Texans at No. 27 if they can't land one of the two SEC linebackers... "He may have had a good practise week but if they think he had a good game....

beerlover
02-11-2013, 10:24 AM
He ay have had a good practise week but if they think he had a good game....

I was impressed with Jenkins, multiple games while @ Georgia against SEC competition. Even mocked him to the Texans couple months ago but that was before he got stupid (guessing he contacted an agent) besides just stopping taking classes, all the while saying he was returning to Georgia. Once busted he was ruled ineligible for bowl game, hence early declaration for the draft. Red flag for me, I can't see how he could still be on the Texans draft board, character is too important despite physical attributes. He is nothing more than a run plugger anyway, nose tackle only doesn't bring multiplicity.

badboy
02-11-2013, 10:51 AM
Yep, remember our discussions. I think there are better options at Nose. Your other info should pretty much rule him out.

mussop
02-11-2013, 01:11 PM
This one has more than a chance to be the "sleeper" of the DT Draft.....for sure if he makes it into the 2nd round. He's far from slow and has the motor, the work ethic and mean streak we need to "enforce."






link (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1424923-2013-nfl-draft-missouri-southern-defensive-tackle-brandon-williams)


I have moved him up to 4th on my DT's list.
Star
Short
Hankins
B Williams
I can see him going in the first round.

aussie_texan
02-20-2013, 11:53 PM
as per walterfootball's website

"I've been told that John Jenkins is a strong option for the Texans at No. 27 if they can't land one of the two SEC linebackers".

b0ng
02-21-2013, 01:17 AM
What are your guys thoughts on Sharrif Floyd and Sheldon Richardson?

Wolf6151
02-21-2013, 02:10 AM
What are your guys thoughts on Sharrif Floyd and Sheldon Richardson?


I'd run to the podium if Sheldon Richardson were available to us at #27, but it ain't happening. He and Watt on the same D-line would almost be illegal. He'd be a stud at 3-4 DE, we could release Antonio, and might be a JJ clone.

I think Floyd is more of a 4-3 UT and will make some team very happy, just not right for our system.

aussie_texan
02-21-2013, 05:06 AM
I'd run to the podium if Sheldon Richardson were available to us at #27, but it ain't happening. He and Watt on the same D-line would almost be illegal. He'd be a stud at 3-4 DE, we could release Antonio, and might be a JJ clone.

I think Floyd is more of a 4-3 UT and will make some team very happy, just not right for our system.

completely agree on everything on richardson. i would even contemplate trading up for him if he fell to late teens early 20s

beerlover
02-21-2013, 09:58 AM
Texans just signed Jeff Zgonina as assistant DL coach. would be a great fit to mold a young nose like Williams or Short :kitten:

b0ng
02-21-2013, 01:08 PM
I'd run to the podium if Sheldon Richardson were available to us at #27, but it ain't happening. He and Watt on the same D-line would almost be illegal. He'd be a stud at 3-4 DE, we could release Antonio, and might be a JJ clone.

I think Floyd is more of a 4-3 UT and will make some team very happy, just not right for our system.

A 4-3 UT should be able to transition to Phillips 1-gap 3-4 scheme. I think both of those guys would have to be looked at as Ends rather than NT's, which I'm not that high on taking an End in the first round.

Are all the highly rated DT's in this draft not a real fit for NT in the 3-4?

beerlover
02-21-2013, 01:20 PM
A 4-3 UT should be able to transition to Phillips 1-gap 3-4 scheme. I think both of those guys would have to be looked at as Ends rather than NT's, which I'm not that high on taking an End in the first round.

Are all the highly rated DT's in this draft not a real fit for NT in the 3-4?

Versatility is important to Texans DL or OL. I don't see an issue taking a guy who could play or fit in multiple sets. What your asking for is a specialist? two down player or prototypical run plugger who can collapse the pocket like Vince Wilfork. If so, Brandon Williams is intriguing prospect that has the motor & stout presence Texans should covet.

b0ng
02-21-2013, 02:38 PM
Versatility is important to Texans DL or OL. I don't see an issue taking a guy who could play or fit in multiple sets. What your asking for is a specialist? two down player or prototypical run plugger who can collapse the pocket like Vince Wilfork. If so, Brandon Williams is intriguing prospect that has the motor & stout presence Texans should covet.

I don't know if specialist would be used to describe an NT. I think we could draft a guy (Maybe a good one in the first if certain players drop) that would be the middle guy on the DL while they are in their 3-4 formation. I still think if he's good enough he can get his way into the 3rd down formations the Texans like to run (if he's good enough). Are there none of those guys in the 1st round (That the Texans could have a shot at).

IDEXAN
02-21-2013, 02:56 PM
I like the idea of using our top pick on a DT because while generally speaking this is not viewed a strong Draft, it is fairly strong thru the Dline and the idea is to have ones Draft based on the strength of the talent and not top need.
OK we do need a WR, but we've still got a second-round pick and 2 thirds for that (with the comp 3rd rounder we will most likely get for Mario), and as far as an ILB, we wouldn't use a top pick (1 or 2) for that position since Cushing is the only "full-time" ILB in Wade's defense, i. e., the other ILB isn't on the field in nicklel/pass-coverage downs.

thunderkyss
02-21-2013, 05:27 PM
I like the idea of using our top pick on a DT because while generally speaking this is not viewed a strong Draft, it is fairly strong thru the Dline and the idea is to have ones Draft based on the strength of the talent and not top need.

If it's strong on DL, doesn't that mean you can get a good player in the later rounds?

Insideop
02-21-2013, 06:22 PM
If it's strong on DL, doesn't that mean you can get a good player in the later rounds?

This is a true statement. But, are you including DE's, which may also include OLB/DE hybrids? If you are only talking about DT's/NT's then it is only strong in the first 2 rounds IMO. Of course the Combine will tell us a lot more about some of these DT's/NT's like Brandon Williams. I've seen him ranked as high as the 2nd-3rd rounds (CBS Sports) and as low as the 5th-7th rounds (WalterFootball). So, nobody has a clear picture yet where some of these players will grade out.

mussop
02-21-2013, 07:47 PM
I like the idea of using our top pick on a DT because while generally speaking this is not viewed a strong Draft, it is fairly strong thru the Dline and the idea is to have ones Draft based on the strength of the talent and not top need.
OK we do need a WR, but we've still got a second-round pick and 2 thirds for that (with the comp 3rd rounder we will most likely get for Mario), and as far as an ILB, we wouldn't use a top pick (1 or 2) for that position since Cushing is the only "full-time" ILB in Wade's defense, i. e., the other ILB isn't on the field in nicklel/pass-coverage downs.

Thats because all our other ILB's suck in coverage. If we had another true 3 down ILB we wouldn't have to resort to putting players like Keo and Demps on the field. I guarantee you if Wade had another ILB that he trusted in coverage, he would rather leave him out there on passing downs than any of our current backup or third down defensive backs.

mussop
02-21-2013, 07:58 PM
If it's strong on DL, doesn't that mean you can get a good player in the later rounds?

Strong as in there are up to 9 DL in this draft that could potentially go in the first round. Im not talking about 4/3 DE's. I'm talking about DT's and 3/4 DE's.

Of course a couple of them could go early second. The drop off after them is pretty big. If we want one of the good ones we are going to have to use our first round pick on one.

mussop
02-21-2013, 08:01 PM
Floyd and Williams of Bama are overated IMO. I wouldn't take Floyd for our team and I wouldn't tale Williams until the early third round. Jones is over rated on this board. He is a late second at best.

thunderkyss
02-21-2013, 08:10 PM
Thats because all our other ILB's suck in coverage. If we had another true 3 down ILB we wouldn't have to resort to putting players like Keo and Demps on the field. I guarantee you if Wade had another ILB that he trusted in coverage, he would rather leave him out there on passing downs than any of our current backup or third down defensive backs.

I believe you. Either way, I'd like to see an upgrade at the ILB, or the safety position.

Either we get an ILB that can stay on the field, or we get a safety that will allow DManning to play center field.

tru80texan
02-21-2013, 11:18 PM
He may have had a good practise week but if they think he had a good game....

I watched him at the Senior Bowl practices as well & I wasn't overly impressed. He is massive, but he looked lazy at times. If he didn't get penetration on his initial burst off of the line then he seemed to shut it down & go thru the motions by either dancing or hand fighting w/ the o-lineman. His motor seemed questionable to say the least. The commentators even mentioned it & one labeled him a "faucet player" if I remember correctly. Meaning he was either on or off. No real in between. I love his size, but I believe there are better options. A big guy w/ slim to no motors reminds me of Frank Okam, which is a complete waste of size.

steelbtexan
02-22-2013, 01:03 AM
As of now I dont think Richardson will fall to 27. But he would be a wrecking ball next to Watt on 3rd downs inside. With Mercilus and Cushing blitzing.

My top 5 picks for the Texans if they stay at 27 pre-combine are

1. Datone Jones
2. Justin Hunter
3. Xavier Rhodes
4. Brandon Williams
5.Terrance Williams

tru80texan
02-22-2013, 02:48 AM
As of now I dont think Richardson will fall to 27. But he would be a wrecking ball next to Watt on 3rd downs inside. With Mercilus and Cushing blitzing.

My top 5 picks for the Texans if they stay at 27 pre-combine are

1. Datone Jones
2. Justin Hunter
3. Xavier Rhodes
4. Brandon Williams
5.Terrance Williams

I like Jones, Hunter, & T Williams. My questions would be about B. Williams & Rhodes. Don't you think Williams could possibly be had in the 2nd round & why Rhodes in the 1st unless you are just basing that on best available? I still have high hopes for Brandon Harris & haven't quite given up him. I realize cb's are always a plus, but I don't know about one in the 1st. Why no LB's also? I like Minter, Brown, & a few others & it definitely seems to be a need position.

steelbtexan
02-22-2013, 11:23 AM
I like Jones, Hunter, & T Williams. My questions would be about B. Williams & Rhodes. Don't you think Williams could possibly be had in the 2nd round & why Rhodes in the 1st unless you are just basing that on best available? I still have high hopes for Brandon Harris & haven't quite given up him. I realize cb's are always a plus, but I don't know about one in the 1st. Why no LB's also? I like Minter, Brown, & a few others & it definitely seems to be a need position.

These guys are my BPA.

I like Minter, he's #8 on my list.

tru80texan
02-23-2013, 12:32 PM
The guys at Walter Football saw it differently:
And they're even saying he's on the Texan's radar, "I've been told that John Jenkins is a strong option for the Texans at No. 27 if they can't land one of the two SEC linebackers... "

Here is what Rotoworld said about Jenkins recently:
Georgia NT John Jenkins measured 6-foot-3 5/8 and 346 pounds at Saturday's NFL Combine weigh-in.
He's shed 13 pounds since the Senior Bowl after weighing 359 in Mobile. An obviously massive figure, Jenkins has drawn criticism from evaluators for taking plays off and being a "teddy bear." He's an early- to mid-round prospect.
Source: Bryan Broaddus on Twitter Feb 23 - 8:02 AM

A "Teddy bear" is probably not what we want or need to solve our issues at NT. The high motor type has been a growing trend w/ the Texans on defense & from what I've seen & read, Jenkins is not our man IMO.

badboy
02-23-2013, 01:10 PM
Dropping weight is a start but needs to crank it up a bit. This is not the draft to take risks at need position.

Wolf6151
02-23-2013, 07:04 PM
Here is what Rotoworld said about Jenkins recently:
Georgia NT John Jenkins measured 6-foot-3 5/8 and 346 pounds at Saturday's NFL Combine weigh-in.
He's shed 13 pounds since the Senior Bowl after weighing 359 in Mobile. An obviously massive figure, Jenkins has drawn criticism from evaluators for taking plays off and being a "teddy bear." He's an early- to mid-round prospect.
Source: Bryan Broaddus on Twitter Feb 23 - 8:02 AM

A "Teddy bear" is probably not what we want or need to solve our issues at NT. The high motor type has been a growing trend w/ the Texans on defense & from what I've seen & read, Jenkins is not our man IMO.

A big guy like Jenkins can go to the bathroom and lose 5 lbs., he needs to get serious with his weight loss. Put him on a treadmill until he passes out and then do it again the next day, or send him to the Biggest Loser show and Jillian will get some pounds off of him. He'll need to be in much better physical condition for the NFL. Of course a summer of workouts in Houston will melt some lbs. off of him. This is a very good DT class and it would be risky to take Jenkins in the 1st when there are other very good NT prospects available like Short, J. Williams, or S. Williams.

CloakNNNdagger
02-24-2013, 08:44 PM
JMO:

Star Lotulelei, OMG I see why this guy is so highly rated. I haven't really watched tape on him until recently because he was out of our range, but he'd be a guy that if he fell out of the top 15 for some reason I'd trade up to get him.


ESPNís Chris Mortensen reports that Lotuleleiís left ventricle is pumping at 44 percent efficiency, below the normal range of 55 percent to 70 percent. As a result, Lotulelei will leave Indianapolis without going through any workouts.

Lotuleleiís condition was discovered via an echocardiogram conducted as part of the normal Combine medical evaluation. He will now return home to Utah to undergo more tests.

ESPNís Scouts, Inc. ranks Lotulelei as the No. 1 overall player in this yearís draft, at any position. NFL Networkís Mike Mayock calls Lotulelei the second-best defensive tackle in the draft.link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/24/combine-medical-test-reveals-star-lotulelei-has-heart-condition/)

This is NOT good for the young man. Ejection fraction refers to the percent of blood volume that the heart is able to pump out (eject) compared to the the maximum fill volume. For a young athlete, this could mean a heart muscle disease in the form of an emperically weak heart muscle, or hypertrophy (extreme thickening of the heart walls) or extreme dilation of the heart chamber(s) or scarring of the heart muscle (from many cause such as infection, auto-immune disease or trauma, or past heart attacks). This is what is found in the condition of what you might know as heart failure or congestive heart failure. The ejection fraction problems are what can and have been involved in "sudden death" on the field occuring in otherwise normal appearing/performing athletes. Depending on what the source of his problem, it would hardly be surprising if he never steps on an NFL field. But we'll have to see. No matter what the outcome, a tough situation for an elite athlete that has come so far.

Playoffs
02-24-2013, 10:26 PM
Such a shame for the young man.

I guess it's good to have been led to an early diagnosis?

SAMURAITEXAN
02-24-2013, 10:45 PM
link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/24/combine-medical-test-reveals-star-lotulelei-has-heart-condition/)

This is NOT good for the young man. Ejection fraction refers to the percent of blood volume that the heart is able to pump out (eject) compared to the the maximum fill volume. For a young athlete, this could mean a heart muscle disease in the form of an emperically weak heart muscle, or hypertrophy (extreme thickening of the heart walls) or extreme dilation of the heart chamber(s) or scarring of the heart muscle (from many cause such as infection, auto-immune disease or trauma, or past heart attacks). This is what is found in the condition of what you might know as heart failure or congestive heart failure. The ejection fraction problems are what can and have been involved in "sudden death" on the field occuring in otherwise normal appearing/performing athletes. Depending on what the source of his problem, it would hardly be surprising if he never steps on an NFL field. But we'll have to see. No matter what the outcome, a tough situation for an elite athlete that has come so far.

If it wasn't for combine, Star may find himself in bad situation. However, you gotta feel for the young man as he prepared his life for this big event with so much of promise may come to end. I feel so sorry for the young man. Hope, doctors can come up with something for him to continue his NFL career. So sad.

beerlover
02-27-2013, 03:11 PM
Amazing how Sharif Floyd stock has risen, top 10 maybe even top 5?

badboy
02-27-2013, 05:55 PM
If it wasn't for combine, Star may find himself in bad situation. However, you gotta feel for the young man as he prepared his life for this big event with so much of promise may come to end. I feel so sorry for the young man. Hope, doctors can come up with something for him to continue his NFL career. So sad.After withdrawing from the NFL scouting combine because of an abnormal heart exam, Utah defensive tackle Star Lotulelei has been told he can continue working out on his own, according to a person informed of the conversations between doctors and the potential top-five draft pick.

The person said it's hoped that it's not a heart condition but rather dehydration, too much sodium in his diet or rapid weight loss in a short timeframe that prompted tests to reveal his heart wasn't pumping at full capacity. Lotulelei dropped almost 10 pounds in three days recently, in part because of the hectic schedule of traveling to the combine and the long days in Indianapolis.

Full article: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2013/02/25/utah-defensive-tackle-star-lotulelei-nfl-combine/1946109/

mussop
02-27-2013, 06:11 PM
Amazing how Sharif Floyd stock has risen, top 10 maybe even top 5?

I don't get it. Obviously I haven't seen the games the people pumping him up have seen. He just looks average to me. Reminds me of Travis Johnson.