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srrono
01-29-2013, 03:26 PM
Instead of grabbing the 3rd rated WR or 4th OLB or 3rd DL grab 1st G.

Last year the number 1 rated G David DeCastro slipped all the way to the PIT the 24th pick. If the #1 rated G slipped to HOU would you guys support the pick?

Chance Warmack, G, Alabama
Height: 6-3. Weight: 320.

COMPARES TO: Will Shields, OG, Kansas City Chiefs -- Let's be clear, no incoming rookie truly deserves comparison to a first ballot Hall of Famer, but Warmack is a rare prospect. While perhaps a tad shorter than ideal, Warmack uses his natural leverage advantage to consistently get under the pads of his opponents, driving them off of the ball in the running game and anchoring in pass protection. His lateral agility and balance make him effective getting to and blocking at the second level and handling quicker pass rushers, as well.

STRENGTHS: Warmack is considerably lighter on his feet than one would expect given his stout frame, and is adept at meeting and eliminating linebackers at the second level.

In pass protection, Warmack does a nice job of supplying an initial punch and grasping hold of his opponent, showing good lateral agility to slide as well as the anchor to handle powerful bull-rushers.

Warmack is equally effective when asked to drive defensive tackles off the ball or beat linebackers to the action at the second level.

WEAKNESSES: Due to his lack of height, Warmack may lack the position versatility of his more recognizable linemates Barrett Jones and D.J. Fluker, but he is further along in his development than Fluker and, frankly, makes more eye-popping blocks than Jones. Size means that he'll be relegated strictly to interior blocking in the NFL.

WolverineFan
01-29-2013, 05:07 PM
If Warmack is the best guy on the board then you take him, OG or not.

Dutchrudder
01-29-2013, 05:14 PM
If it means we can save a few million by cutting Wade Smith, then sure. We could use that money, coupled with Walter's savings to get a true #2 WR.

76Texan
01-29-2013, 05:56 PM
If you think Newton is the guy at RT; otherwise, I think we can use the pick at another position.

mussop
01-29-2013, 06:07 PM
I would go Jonathan Cooper before Warmack if I were going G. Fits our system better IMO.

Wolf6151
01-29-2013, 06:21 PM
I think we've got to many other team holes to worry about OG in the 1st round but if we did it seems to me the Texans favor athleticism and speed in their O-linemen and instead of looking for a true OG, I'd look at an OT that can also play OG. OT's are usually a little taller and more athletic than a true OG and faster to the second level of blocking. I'd look at Lane Johnson, Oday Aboushi, or Dallas Thomas in the 2nd. If I did look at OG in the 1st it would be Jonathan Cooper who I think is very athletic.

WolverineFan
01-29-2013, 08:24 PM
I think we've got to many other team holes to worry about OG in the 1st round but if we did it seems to me the Texans favor athleticism and speed in their O-linemen and instead of looking for a true OG, I'd look at an OT that can also play OG. OT's are usually a little taller and more athletic than a true OG and faster to the second level of blocking. I'd look at Lane Johnson, Oday Aboushi, or Dallas Thomas in the 2nd. If I did look at OG in the 1st it would be Jonathan Cooper who I think is very athletic.

Alabama runs a zone system, their offense is actually pretty comparable to ours, and Warmack was pretty dominant this past year.

Rey
01-29-2013, 08:46 PM
Haven't looked at him, will do though. I wouldve taken zeitler in the first round last year. I thought he was a better player than decastro and easily better than konz who everyone was hyping.

If this guy looks like close to the player that zeitler was then I'll be on board.

Rey
01-29-2013, 09:19 PM
Just watched some clips of him against lsu. He's super athletic for a guy that size, but he doesn't play as heavy as I'd like. He wasn't mauling guys in the run game. And their offense is just like ours for who ever said he wouldn't fit. I liked zeitler coming out more last year because he played like he had lead in his helmet and in his gloves. He mauled people coming off the line.

This guys potential is high though. He'd be a perfect fit for this system but I'd lime to see him play with more thump. His feet, quickness and all around athleticsm are first round worthy for sure. I wouldn't be mad with picking him at all.

powda
01-29-2013, 11:00 PM
I'm not taking a guard in the first unless he's versatile enough to play right tackle. And if this guard isn't a nasty pit bull SOB type that brings a bully mentality to the team...I dont want him. If you use a 1 on a guard he better bring everything to the table.

beerlover
01-30-2013, 02:13 AM
It is hard for me to imagine that OG could be the best player available with all the DL talent in this class. Anyway I thought it was RG the Texans needed to upgrade & depth @ OT? Duane Brown, Wade Smith & Chris Myers all made the Pro Bowl.

:swatter:

SAMURAITEXAN
01-30-2013, 02:22 AM
I don't think we are drafting G on 1st rd. If T, it will be a little more possibility but still looking at our starting line up on O side, it is unlikely. We are more than likely to be drafting D side in the 1st rd and maybe 2nd as well if we are not drafting WR in the first two rds.

We switched 4-3 to 3-4 two seasons ago and Wade only had 2012 draft to fix our D to 3-4 and likely he will need a little more bodies on D side and this is why I think we will go D in the 1st rd if not for WR.

Corrosion
01-30-2013, 11:50 AM
There could easily be two guards off the board by the time the Texans pick.

I think Warmack might go as high as #10 to the Hillbilly's. He's going to anchor an OL for a decade or more.


I could see Cooper being taken anywhere from #22 to the Rams on.


Right now Im looking at four guys with the Texans first pick - Kawann Short , Alec Ogletree , D.J. Fluker and Kevin Minter (all of which could be gone by 27).
If Warmack is still on the board at #27 , I'd have to seriously consider making him the pick over any of those players.

beerlover
01-30-2013, 12:29 PM
Warmack best fit is to play LG. OF course he can play RG but generally teams don't draft those early at least top 15 unless they have a big hole to fill. Cooper seems a little more versatile but still he is a guard typically taken in the 20's.

I think best course for Texans is to beef up DL in first with bpa. Then if a guy drops into 2nd who they grade highly, move up to draft him. I really like Earl Warford, Kentucky. Talk about sand in the pants. He is a franchise RG (if there is such a thing) w/+ value too, this way you upgrade both trenches with starting talent & become more physical.

Hagar
01-30-2013, 02:38 PM
I can't see Warmack dropping to 27. I don't know much about Cooper.

There are a ton of good guards in this draft so it isn't necessary to take one in the first round. David Quessenberry (San Jose) shined at the Senior Bowl and will probably be a OG in the NFL. Larry Warford (Kentucky), Hugh Thorton (Illini) and Bryan Winters (Kent State) all looked good at the Senior Bowl as well.

Another thought would be to take a tackle and move Newton inside.

Corrosion
01-30-2013, 06:15 PM
Warmack best fit is to play LG. OF course he can play RG but generally teams don't draft those early at least top 15 unless they have a big hole to fill. Cooper seems a little more versatile but still he is a guard typically taken in the 20's.

I think best course for Texans is to beef up DL in first with bpa. Then if a guy drops into 2nd who they grade highly, move up to draft him. I really like Earl Warford, Kentucky. Talk about sand in the pants. He is a franchise RG (if there is such a thing) w/+ value too, this way you upgrade both trenches with starting talent & become more physical.



Ive really warmed up to Short ... If he's still there at 27 still want a WR in the 2nd then we can look at ILB , S and OG with those two 3rd rounders.

Still have to see how FA plays out , maybe they fill one of those spots there.



I can't see Warmack dropping to 27. I don't know much about Cooper.

There are a ton of good guards in this draft so it isn't necessary to take one in the first round. David Quessenberry (San Jose) shined at the Senior Bowl and will probably be a OG in the NFL. Larry Warford (Kentucky), Hugh Thorton (Illini) and Bryan Winters (Kent State) all looked good at the Senior Bowl as well.

Another thought would be to take a tackle and move Newton inside.

I dont like that idea at all .... I'd rather he be the swing tackle.

badboy
01-30-2013, 10:15 PM
I wouldn't scream NO!! but if I were going to draft an OG, it would be Alvin Bailey in 3rd & may be avail in 4th. He is not only taller but switch from LG to RG frequently during games. We need a NT and WR before OG.

Also, think Brooks will start RG. I think I'd pass on drafting a G until 2014 to replace Smith.

powda
01-30-2013, 10:32 PM
Im ok with expecting newton, brooks, or jones to improve drastically this year. I'd plan for no ol draft picks before the 4th round...but if the right player comes around ya never know. I have lots of research yet to do...but my knee jerk reaction to ol in the first right now would probably be "damn."

Hagar
01-30-2013, 10:42 PM
I dont like that idea at all .... I'd rather he be the swing tackle.

Then whose going to play tackle? None of our RTs shined this season. I wanted Butler to be our perminant RT but he got demoted just before his season ending injury.

powda
01-30-2013, 11:20 PM
Then whose going to play tackle? None of our RTs shined this season. I wanted Butler to be our perminant RT but he got demoted just before his season ending injury.

I think he puts the priority on rt vs rg...and i tend to agree. If newton, butler dont work out at tackle i think theyre suitable at rg (in combination with jones.) It's harder to find a tackle then a guard...hence the op questioning your response to guard in the first.

If you draft a guard in the first he'd better be all world or your proportioning your money wrong imo. If you get a guard in the first round he needs to be the guy you run behind on 3rd and 1.

Wolf6151
01-31-2013, 01:33 AM
Then whose going to play tackle? None of our RTs shined this season. I wanted Butler to be our perminant RT but he got demoted just before his season ending injury.

Your starting RT will be Newton next season, and starting RG will be Brooks. Jones will be the future at C, and primary backup at all the interior O-line positions til then. When Newton came back from a couple games off due to injury he looked alot better than when he left, and statistically he had a pretty good season in pass protection, much better than Winston the year before. I think the game kinda overwhelmed Newton last year as it does most young players. Newton needs to improve in run blocking and I think our strength and conditioning program will take care of that. I think Newton, barring injury, will be just fine next season.

I would look for the Texans to draft an OG or OT/OG in the 3rd this season as someone to play behind W. Smith and take his job after the 2013 season. Maybe Alvin Bailey, Kyle Long, Xavier Nixon, Ricky Wagner, etc...

Corrosion
01-31-2013, 04:28 AM
Your starting RT will be Newton next season, and starting RG will be Brooks. ...

I wouldnt bet on that. I think they upgrade either RG or RT one way or another be it draft or FA. You wont see Newton next to Brooks or Jones unless there is an injury that forces their hand. Everyone from the top down realizes that the OL wasnt up to snuff this season .... they will make a move to solidify the right side - Probably at RT.

Wolf6151
01-31-2013, 05:21 AM
I wouldnt bet on that. I think they upgrade either RG or RT one way or another be it draft or FA. You wont see Newton next to Brooks or Jones unless there is an injury that forces their hand. Everyone from the top down realizes that the OL wasnt up to snuff this season .... they will make a move to solidify the right side - Probably at RT.


I fully expect the Texans to pick up a RT in the either FA or the draft for competition/depth purposes, but I think Newton is your starter in the first game barring injury. Unfortunately it's going to be a long time til we find out.

thunderkyss
01-31-2013, 08:22 AM
It is hard for me to imagine that OG could be the best player available with all the DL talent in this class. Anyway I thought it was RG the Texans needed to upgrade & depth @ OT? Duane Brown, Wade Smith & Chris Myers all made the Pro Bowl.

:swatter:

I also think the interior OL stepped it up in our last two play off games. Schaub was not feeling any pressure from Geno Atkins, Vince Wilfork, or any other DT in the play offs.

So I think the Texans are doing a good job there. I think Brooks and Jones are keepers & we also have Chris White who we signed to the active roster to protect him late in the season. Then we've got Caldwell.

I love the idea of BPA, so if the best player available at our pick is an OG they should definitely take that into consideration. I'd love to get another first round pick on the OL.

But, we need an outside pass rusher in a bad way as well as a legit WR. If there is a player at those positions that we think could contribute early... that's where I'd rather go with the pick. Of course I hope they do their due diligence & entertain any trade down scenarios.

b0ng
01-31-2013, 02:35 PM
I have a hard time believing a guard will be the bpa at #27

thunderkyss
01-31-2013, 07:46 PM
Instead of grabbing the 3rd rated WR or 4th OLB or 3rd DL grab 1st G.


If the 3rd rated WR or 4th rated OLB is rated as a better player than the top rated guard, why wouldn't I take the better player seeing how I could use both a top rated WR & a top rated OLB?



Am I missing something?

mussop
01-31-2013, 08:35 PM
If the 3rd rated WR or 4th rated OLB is rated as a better player than the top rated guard, why wouldn't I take the better player seeing how I could use both a top rated WR & a top rated OLB?



Am I missing something?

yep, doesn't make alot of sense.

WolverineFan
02-03-2013, 10:41 AM
Not saying 1st round but you have to think about adding depth and talent. We can all admit the OL was somewhat a problem this year. Not to mention Caldwell, Harris, and Butler are all FA's so that leaves you with....

OT
Brown
Newton
Mondek

OG
Smith
Jones
Brooks

C
Myers
White

Mondek and White are both PS level players right now. That leaves you with Brown and Newton at OT and no depth. OG is good with Smith, Jones, and Brooks but you still need depth. I wouldn't be surprised if we bring Harris back but I think Butler and Caldwell are gone.

steelbtexan
02-03-2013, 11:34 AM
I have a hard time believing a guard will be the bpa at #27

If Cooper is there, (Doubtful) you take him. If Wafford is there at 27, you think long and hard and probably pick a WR like Rodgers or Williams.

I really like Wafford more than Cooper in a power blocking scheme.