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CloakNNNdagger
01-29-2013, 12:29 PM
The deer-antler spray contains IGF-1, which is on the NFL's list of banned substances. Christopher Key - one of the S.W.A.T.S. guys - described the company's products to a group of Alabama football players before the BCS National Championship in 2012. He recorded the conversation.

"You're familiar with HGH, correct?" asked Key, referring to human growth hormone. "It's converted in the liver to IGF-1." IGF-1, or -insulin-like growth factor, is a natural, anabolic hormone that stimulates muscle growth. "We have deer that we harvest out of New Zealand," Key said. "Their antlers are the fastest-growing substance on planet Earth . . . because of the high concentration of IGF-1. We've been able to freeze dry that out, extract it, put it in a sublingual spray that you shake for 20 seconds and then spray three [times] under your tongue. . . . This stuff has been around for almost 1,000 years, this is stuff from the Chinese."

Epstein and Dohrmann walk you through the background on S.W.A.T.S., the company's alleged relationship with numerous NFL players, the scene prior to the BCS Championship, and Ross' ties to Ray Lewis.

REST OF STORY (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/Ray-Lewis-SWATS-doping-Sports-Illustrated-banned-substance.html#ixzz2JOGmaDOg) (Be sure to click on the link "Sports Illustrated has published an in-depth examination" link within the story}

Yankee_In_TX
01-29-2013, 12:44 PM
I skimmed a lot, I don't think there's anything there for Bama or Ray.

TheIronDuke
01-29-2013, 12:56 PM
Good read.

eriadoc
01-29-2013, 12:56 PM
I skimmed a lot, I don't think there's anything there for Bama or Ray.

No?

Hours after he tore his triceps during an Oct. 14 home game against the Cowboys, Ravens All-Pro linebacker Ray Lewis and Ross connected on the phone. Again, Ross videotaped the call.

On the call, the two allegedly discuss the treatment that Lewis would undergo in order to return to the field as quickly as possible.

Ross prescribed a deluxe program, including holographic stickers on the right elbow; copious quantities of the powder additive; sleeping in front of a beam-ray light programmed with frequencies for tissue regeneration and pain relief; drinking negatively charged water; a 10-per-day regimen of the deer-antler pills that will "rebuild your brain via your small intestines" (and which Lewis said he hadn't been taking, then swallowed four during the conversation); and spritzes of deer-antler velvet extract (the Ultimate Spray) every two hours.

"Spray on my elbow every two hours?" Lewis asked.

"No," Ross said, "under your tongue."

Toward the end of the talk, Lewis asked Ross to "just pile me up and just send me everything you got, because I got to get back on this this week."

Yankee_In_TX
01-30-2013, 12:37 PM
No?

My bad, I went straight t the second article and missed that deer antler spray (wtf?) was a banned substance.

One of the former players on 610 this morning said that the stuff is all placebo but gets on the list because player X gets busted for testing positive, says 'but I had a high level of that because I took _____ (fill in placebo crap), I never took ______ (fill in PED)."

So player X gets off and now some random thing that does jack squat is on the list.

Sounded like a viable theory to me....

TexansBlood
01-30-2013, 01:09 PM
My bad, I went straight t the second article and missed that deer antler spray (wtf?) was a banned substance.

One of the former players on 610 this morning said that the stuff is all placebo but gets on the list because player X gets busted for testing positive, says 'but I had a high level of that because I took _____ (fill in placebo crap), I never took ______ (fill in PED)."

So player X gets off and now some random thing that does jack squat is on the list.

Sounded like a viable theory to me....

I was listening this morning also and you know who that former player was right? It was Bill Romanowski, I dont think I need to say more.

Double Barrel
01-30-2013, 01:19 PM
Ray has never been tested positive in 17 years. I guess that's relative, because Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds never tested positive.

However, I am suspect of the story because of the timing it was released. It seems very contrived and deliberate to release the story at the height of the media frenzy around Ray Lewis.

If true, so be it.

But if not true, that just sucks for Ray because he doesn't deserve this negative publicity at a time when we should be celebrating 17 great years in the league.

Seriously, deer antlers? They couldn't find any sharks fins or black bear penis to give him? Sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo to me.

handswarmer
01-30-2013, 08:18 PM
Seriously, deer antlers? They couldn't find any sharks fins or black bear penis to give him? .

:ahhaha:

chicagotexan2
01-30-2013, 08:24 PM
He's done worse than this. He's done after this game anyway.

CloakNNNdagger
01-30-2013, 08:27 PM
Just like HGH there is no test for IGF-1 in the NFL ... move on ...

It certainly can be, and is tested for. I have tested cancer patients for IGF-1 for years.

GP
01-30-2013, 10:10 PM
So this spray stuff is because deer antlers grow at an amazing rate?

What's next, players rubbing Viagra powder on their injured joints?

eriadoc
01-31-2013, 04:29 AM
So this spray stuff is because deer antlers grow at an amazing rate?

What's next, players rubbing Viagra powder on their injured joints?

You joke, but it's a vasodilator. It wouldn't surprise me if athletes have been testing its properties.

Thorn
01-31-2013, 05:39 AM
People do whatever they think might give them an edge in their profession. Some are just more smart about it than others.

Playoffs
01-31-2013, 07:43 AM
I dunno, might be something to this spray...

http://www.everyjoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ray-lewis-deer-antler-spray.jpg

Luv_ya_blue
01-31-2013, 07:46 AM
Seriously, deer antlers? They couldn't find any sharks fins or black bear penis to give him? Sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo to me.


This particular deer (Asian I think) grows exceptionally fast. As a result of this rapid growth, scientists were/are able to extract the makeup that causes this rapid growth (recovery) and have figured out a way to make it effective on humans.

But this is all for naught--as it won't make any difference before Sunday. If proved valid, it would only affect his HOF chances I suspect.

infantrycak
01-31-2013, 08:07 AM
This particular deer (Asian I think) grows exceptionally fast. As a result of this rapid growth, scientists were/are able to extract the makeup that causes this rapid growth (recovery) and have figured out a way to make it effective on humans.

But this is all for naught--as it won't make any difference before Sunday. If proved valid, it would only affect his HOF chances I suspect.

Its from New Zealand which means red stag which are native to Europe.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Red_deer_stag_2009_denmark.jpg/399px-Red_deer_stag_2009_denmark.jpg

Apparently not a new deal.

Former British Open winner Bob Charles of New Zealand says he used and advertised a banned deer-antler spray for more than 20 years without realising it contained a substance that violated golf’s doping protocols.

Fiji golfer Vijay Singh is currently under investigation after admitting to using the spray which contains the banned muscle growth hormone IGF-1.

Link (http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/golf/8248660/Charles-deer-products-breach-golf-doping-rules)

HoustonFrog
01-31-2013, 08:29 AM
Come on people, let up on deer antler spray, it's not like he killed someone..................:kitten:

CloakNNNdagger
01-31-2013, 09:08 AM
For those interested, I'd like to share with you this timely comprehensive New York Times article that very simply explains the status of the situation presently being discussed.

New to Most Fans, IGF-1 Has Long Been Banned as a Performance Enhancer (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/sports/igf-1-has-long-been-banned-as-performance-enhancer.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&)

Double Barrel
01-31-2013, 09:46 AM
I dunno, might be something to this spray...

http://www.everyjoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ray-lewis-deer-antler-spray.jpg

Now that's just funny! :spit:

This particular deer (Asian I think) grows exceptionally fast. As a result of this rapid growth, scientists were/are able to extract the makeup that causes this rapid growth (recovery) and have figured out a way to make it effective on humans.

But this is all for naught--as it won't make any difference before Sunday. If proved valid, it would only affect his HOF chances I suspect.

Even if it turns out to be true, there are lots of PED users already in the HoF. I suppose the caveat is that it was legal when they were playing, but the end result is still the same: PED users in the HoF.

GP
01-31-2013, 09:51 AM
Come on people, let up on deer antler spray, it's not like he killed someone..................:kitten:

Ha, I was going to post this last night:

Guys, relax! It's not like he killed the deer or anything.

I was afraid it would offend people, but now that I see your post...I'm rolling with it.

Luv_ya_blue
01-31-2013, 10:07 AM
Its from New Zealand which means red stag which are native to Europe.

I couldn't remember what I had heard about the origin of the species in question, and didn't have time to look it up. Thank you for that.


Even if it turns out to be true, there are lots of PED users already in the HoF. I suppose the caveat is that it was legal when they were playing, but the end result is still the same: PED users in the HoF.

I can't really argue with that. Except to say that I see guys of different sports (ie: Clemens, Bonds, Sosa, McGuire, etc) being kept out of the hall because of PED use. I can't argue with the fact that there are people in the HOF that have used--clearly there are. But I think that in the years to come it will hinder many because of these sorts of accusations.

Double Barrel
01-31-2013, 10:31 AM
I can't really argue with that. Except to say that I see guys of different sports (ie: Clemens, Bonds, Sosa, McGuire, etc) being kept out of the hall because of PED use. I can't argue with the fact that there are people in the HOF that have used--clearly there are. But I think that in the years to come it will hinder many because of these sorts of accusations.

Two different hall of fames. Baseball HoF is notorious for using off-field issues to deny players entry, even having years when nobody enters (like this year).

Football HoF, on the other hand, normally focuses only on careers. Guys like Lawrence Taylor were widely known to have some serious off-field issues, but that did not keep them out of the HoF. I'm not 100% positive, but I think the football HoF has a requirement for minimum number of players inducted every year. As you know, the annual HoF induction is a big part of kicking off the NFL season in August, so they would look pretty bad from a PR perspective if nobody was getting in.

Luv_ya_blue
01-31-2013, 10:34 AM
Two different hall of fames. Baseball HoF is notorious for using off-field issues to deny players entry, even having years when nobody enters (like this year).

Football HoF, on the other hand, normally focuses only on careers. Guys like Lawrence Taylor were widely known to have some serious off-field issues, but that did not keep them out of the HoF. I'm not 100% positive, but I think the football HoF has a requirement for minimum number of players inducted every year. As you know, the annual HoF induction is a big part of kicking off the NFL season in August, so they would look pretty bad from a PR perspective if nobody was getting in.

I don't disagree, from a PR standpoint.
But LT wasn't really outed for being a drug head until years later, isn't that right? Could be wrong on that one.

Knowing someone was doing drugs years after they're out of the league isn't really the same thing as knowing they were doing drugs while they're still playing the game. JMO.

Double Barrel
01-31-2013, 10:48 AM
I don't disagree, from a PR standpoint.
But LT wasn't really outed for being a drug head until years later, isn't that right? Could be wrong on that one.

Knowing someone was doing drugs years after they're out of the league isn't really the same thing as knowing they were doing drugs while they're still playing the game. JMO.

I remember the debate when he was on the HoF ballot, and the reasoning given that it did not matter was because of his football career.

Here's some info about his use during his career:

Taylor has lived a controversial lifestyle, during and after his playing career. He admitted to using drugs such as cocaine as early as his second year in the NFL, and was suspended several times by the league for failing drug tests.

Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Taylor)

Now this was for cocaine abuse, but it's still on the banned list as a PED.

The HoF never considered it an issue to prevent his entry.

Luv_ya_blue
01-31-2013, 11:14 AM
I remember the debate when he was on the HoF ballot, and the reasoning given that it did not matter was because of his football career.

Here's some info about his use during his career:

Now this was for cocaine abuse, but it's still on the banned list as a PED.

The HoF never considered it an issue to prevent his entry.

I just couldn't remember when it came out that he was abusing cocaine. I thought it was after he was done.

Your points are well taken.

CloakNNNdagger
01-31-2013, 11:27 AM
Lewis cannot claim "ignorance"..........just of being plain ignorant. Note the date that NFL teams/coaches/players were placed on notice about avoiding this specific company's product under PED Banned Substance Policy.

NFL Orders Players To Cut Ties With Company Touting Deer Antler Supplement (http://www.thepostgame.com/homepage/201102/nfl-orders-players-cut-ties-company-produces-deer-antler-supplement)
Thursday, February 3, 2011 1:13 am
Written by: Eric Adelson and Adam Watson

The NFL has sent letters to several players ordering them to cut ties with S.W.A.T.S., the company at the center of sports’ latest performance-enhancing substance controversy, ThePostGame.com has learned.

“We recently sent letters to players who may have had an affiliation with the company which is now claiming its products include a banned substance,” wrote NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy in an email to ThePostGame.com. “We are investigating the matter, as we have been for awhile now."

A relationship between S.W.A.T.S. owner Mitch Ross (pictured below) and several NFL players and coaches was first revealed in a Jan. 19 story on ThePostGame.com. One of the S.W.A.T.S. products, called “The Ultimate Spray,” is promoted by the company as containing deer antler velvet and IGF-1, short for Insulin-Like Growth Factor 1. IGF-1 is banned by the NFL and other major sports leagues as well as the Olympics.

“You use HGH in part to help stimulate IGF-1, which helps aid in recovery and the building of lean muscle mass,” said Travis Tygart, the CEO of the United States Anti-Doping Agency. “A lot of athletes want to go to IGF-1 directly to get the benefit.”

On Jan. 14, the league ordered Raiders coach Hue Jackson to sever ties with S.W.A.T.S., saying that coaches were not allowed to endorse supplements. Now the league wants players to disassociate themselves from S.W.A.T.S.

“Despite the company’s claims, it is not clear at all that the product actually contains IGF-1,” McCarthy wrote. “The fact that the company is claiming that its product contains a banned substance is enough to preclude players from associating with the company.”

Playoffs
02-09-2013, 11:05 AM
IGF-1 is “just like giving someone human growth hormone,” said Don Catlin (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/sports/igf-1-has-long-been-banned-as-performance-enhancer.html), the former head of U.C.L.A.’s Olympic Analytical Lab, best known for breaking the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative doping ring. “It goes to the same kinds of receptors and turns them on.”

Wow, I didn't realize it's straight up HGH effects/cheating.

CloakNNNdagger
02-09-2013, 03:20 PM
Wow, I didn't realize it's straight up HGH effects/cheating.

I tried to explain this relationship a while back in a past post in another thread. I don't exactly remember where though.

EDIT: Just found it (from the Re: HGH testing part of new CBA; testing expected to begin this season thread (08/04/11)

HGH does seem to help healing of damaged tissue. One mechanism is explained by HGH binding to injured cells and stimulating them to multiply faster than normal. Next, it stimulates the body’s release of a substance known as IGF-1 which in turn stimulates synthesis of individual amino acids as well as protein, both mandatory for tissues to grow and heal. Furthermore, it positively regulates the transport of amino acids so that more enters the cells than exits. This then leads to faster protein synthesis and quicker healing. Then again, this same process is hastened even more since HGH drives the body to increase and optimize glucose utilization which is necessary for protein synthesis.

The same Igf-1 that was mentioned above also increases the stimulation of collagen, which is the raw material for connective tissue. With increased collagen, wounds increase in tensile strength and cause them to hold together and heal faster. With this mechanism, bone healing in fractures is positively affected, as well as tendons and ligaments

Keep in mind that most of these findings have been shown in laboratory animals rather than humans. Unfortunately, all too often they do not transfer to the human model or in significant effect.

To date, the only truly accepted confirmation of benefit in humans has come from studies on the brain following head trauma, and in the case of the healing of burns and skin grafts.

Studies on HGH have revealed that, indeed, there is substantial increase in muscle mass, but surprisingly there has been no evidence of increase in muscle strength.

HGH deficiency as may be expected has been linked to athletes’ slower healing following injury.

Keep in mind that some studies such as one coming out of Stanford demonstrated no benefit in sports injuries when compared to athletes taking a placebo.

For those interested in HGH, you may find this sports article interesting.:
The Case For HGH (http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3636294)