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CloakNNNdagger
01-27-2013, 10:55 AM
Hmmm......Watt at TE?........he is probably joking, but that would definitely be interesting for a couple of plays here and there during a game........a throw back to the 2-way iron man........:)

Posted on January 26, 2013 at 11:16 pm by Tania Ganguli in Pro Bowl



AIEA, Hawaii — During one Pro Bowl practice, Texans cornerback Johnathan Joseph covered Texans receiver Andre Johnson. A few plays later, J.J. Watt lined up on offense.

“I’m trying to get coach (Gary) Kubiak to let me play tight end,” Watt said before putting his finger to his lips in a shushing gesture — can’t give away top-secret elements of a Pro Bowl game plan.

The pass that Denver quarterback Peyton Manning threw for Watt sailed over his head and out of the end zone with Watt unable to make the grab.

“My play was better than Arian’s attempted pass,” Watt countered of Foster.

Texans players have detected a bit of jealousy from others in the Pro Bowl this week.

“You get in the huddle and you look and you have two of your fellow linemen,” left tackle Duane Brown said. “Starting running back, quarterback, receiver in the same huddle. Lot of familiar faces. Lot of guys are jealous of that. They envy it. It’s a great feeling, and it says a lot about our team.”

The “no respect” mantra is one athletes use across the NFL and other sports. It can be a motivating factor for teams, sometimes players work to prove they or their teams are deserving of more respect than they get. Even when the Texans were 11-1, they talked of having to earn respect nationally.

Perception, they said, constantly maligns them.

(Well, not everyone said that: “Another man’s opinion of me is none of my business,” Foster said.)

The Pro Bowl is entirely about perception.

And even with a season that ended before they wanted it to end, and before internal and external expectations needed it to end, the Texans got heaps of respect from peers, coaches and fans.

Kudos to coaching staff
Quarterback Matt Schaub, Brown, Wade Smith and Chris Myers, Foster, Johnson and tight end Owen Daniels, who was an injury replacement, are in Hawaii. Watt and Joseph joined them on defense.

“Offense, it’s seven out of the 11 guys (in a huddle); that’s pretty impressive,” Myers said. “That’s something that’s a form of respect to the team. To both sides with J.J. and (Joseph) here. … Hat’s off to our offensive staff and the whole staff in general to get quality guys and get guys the recognition they deserve.”

REST OF THE STORY (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/01/texans-earning-respect-of-their-peers-at-pro-bowl/#print)

ESAD2-14
01-27-2013, 11:54 AM
Feel good story, but if I had the chance to go on an expense paid trip to Hawaii with some of my buds like that I'd take it.

Lot of Negative Nancy running around in the comments section though, you'd think we just came off of 2-14 again.

bOODRO87
01-27-2013, 12:49 PM
So many Pro Bowlers on offense. How did we get so bad in the red zone down the stretch? Frustrating.

Playoffs
01-27-2013, 12:57 PM
I imagine Peyton's reflex was to throw it over J.J.'s outstretched arms,

And had Peyton thrown it within reach Watt probably sWatts it down! :swatter:

rolyat93
01-27-2013, 01:33 PM
I can think of a better Bowl to earn respect in.

PapaL
01-27-2013, 01:54 PM
Yay it's our Super Bowl! FML.

Vance87
01-27-2013, 02:48 PM
Just in case people forgot, there are 29 other teams not playing in the Super Bowl this year.

BullBlitz
01-27-2013, 03:03 PM
So many Pro Bowlers on offense. How did we get so bad in the red zone down the stretch? Frustrating.

I look at it with a different perspective.

We were pretty bad in the red zone. Do these players really deserve to be held out as exceptional? Not really, but someone has to play.

PapaL
01-27-2013, 03:40 PM
Just in case people forgot, there are 29 other teams not playing in the Super Bowl this year.

And we care about those teams why? Loser mentality.

Yay we're better than 26 other teams. Lets sing kumbaya and celebrate.

BullBlitz
01-27-2013, 04:05 PM
Just in case people forgot, there are 29 other teams not playing in the Super Bowl this year.

Ah. The "misery loves company" approach.

Not working for me. Repeated chances at home field advantage slipped through our fingers.

That sure didn't happen to 29 other teams.

Vance87
01-27-2013, 04:11 PM
And we care about those teams why? Loser mentality.

Yay we're better than 26 other teams. Lets sing kumbaya and celebrate.

I suppose if we had HFA and lost in the Divisional like the Broncos you would have put a double barrel in your mouth and pulled the trigger.

That's a shame.

Carr Bombed
01-27-2013, 04:35 PM
I suppose if we had HFA and lost in the Divisional like the Broncos you would have put a double barrel in your mouth and pulled the trigger.

That's a shame.

Nope, but I'd still be negative about it here. The expectations were high (see 9 pro bowlers) and they did not meet expectations. It was a failed season in my book. They didn't just choke in every big game this season, they got blown out. Last season was a successful season, because they finally won their division, reached the playoffs for the first time, and won their first playoff game (and did it all with a 3rd string rookie QB). This season was all about taking advantage of that experience and taking the next step... they ended up falling down the stairs. There's no way to put a positive spin on what happened this season. It was a complete failure, instead of trying to sugar coat it, just call it what it was.

And I don't think it'll get better anytime soon.. not until we replace Schaub. I put red zone effectiveness squarely on the shoulders of a QB. We've struggled in the red zone during the majority of Schaub's tenure here. He's the reason why we can't cash in down there unless the running game carries him and he's the reason why we have a HOF caliber WR who has never ever had a double digit TD season. What upsets me the most is knowing nothing is going to change anytime soon.. our wagon is hitched to Schaub
:vincepalm:

rolyat93
01-27-2013, 04:36 PM
I suppose if we had HFA and lost in the Divisional like the Broncos you would have put a double barrel in your mouth and pulled the trigger.

That's a shame.

Yeah, I guess we should never raise expectations for the Texans.

Hey guys, maybe we'll be over .500 next year.:turtle:

Vance87
01-27-2013, 04:42 PM
Man, it must suck to be you guys.

Carr Bombed
01-27-2013, 05:10 PM
Man, it must suck to be you guys.

Not really, I prefer to be honest with myself.


I have already lowered my expectations for next season though. I just don't think Schaub is the guy who's going to take us where we all want to go.

Hervoyel
01-27-2013, 05:16 PM
Nevermind.

dream_team
01-27-2013, 05:16 PM
And I don't think it'll get better anytime soon.. not until we replace Schaub. I red zone effectiveness squarely on the shoulders of a QB. We've struggled in the red zone during the majority of Schaub's tenure here. He's the reason why we can't cash in down there unless the running game carries him and he's the reason why we have a HOF caliber WR who has never ever had a double digit TD season. What upsets me the most is knowing nothing is going to change anytime soon.. our wagon is hitched to Schaub
:vincepalm:

We were actually not as bad in the red zone as I originally thought. We scored a TD 54.69% of the time, which is up from last season, and also good enough for 14th in the NFL. In 2010, we were ranked 5th in red zone TD efficiency at 62.26%. This past season, we were probably an average red zone team. But 2010 proves that Schaub can lead an effective red zone offense.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

Sorry, I'm one of those guys that tries to twist a positive spin on everything.

dream_team
01-27-2013, 05:18 PM
Feel good story, but if I had the chance to go on an expense paid trip to Hawaii with some of my buds like that I'd take it.

Lot of Negative Nancy running around in the comments section though, you'd think we just came off of 2-14 again.

I think there are some people that would actually prefer it, if it led to getting rid of Kubiak & Schaub.

Carr Bombed
01-27-2013, 05:30 PM
We were actually not as bad in the red zone as I originally thought. We scored a TD 54.69% of the time, which is up from last season, and also good enough for 14th in the NFL. In 2010, we were ranked 5th in red zone TD efficiency at 62.26%. This past season, we were probably an average red zone team. But 2010 proves that Schaub can lead an effective red zone offense.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

Sorry, I'm one of those guys that tries to twist a positive spin on everything.

2010 doesn't prove anything for Schaub.. Schaub was just on the wagon that was being pulled by the work horses. 2010 was when we still had Vonta Leach and was the season of Foster Debut where he had 1,616 rushing yards and 18 TDs

Scoring TDs only 54.9% of the time in the red zone is mediocre and not good enough.. it needs to go up if we're going to end up playing after the probowl... and as of right now in Schaub's tenure here we've only had one season were we were a top red zone team, when Foster was having one of the greatest rushing seasons for a RB. If that's what it's going to take for this team and Schaub to have more success in the red zone, then we need to start looking for his replacement.

Carr Bombed
01-27-2013, 05:38 PM
I think there are some people that would actually prefer it, if it led to getting rid of Kubiak & Schaub.

I'm still up in the air with Kubiak so I'll leave him out of this..

However, I would prefer a step back if it led to a bigger step forward. The worst thing that can ever happen in sports is being stuck in mediocrity dying a slow agonizing death. That was the Rockets for the longest time and it killed me, but they made a big move with the James Harden trade and hopefully it'll be the big move that starts to pull them out of the mediocrity zone.

The Astros flat out suck, that's something nobody will argue about, but it doesn't bother me. I'm willing to let them suck and hopefully all that sucking will lead to us drafting some future star players (See Wash. Nats) and we can restock our farm system.

So in short, if we had a wheel fail off the wagon season that made us start looking for another QB, I wouldn't be cheering (I never cheer for my teams to lose), but I wouldn't exactly shed a tear either. Hell look what the Colts got out of their fall on their face season. :foottap:

dream_team
01-27-2013, 05:50 PM
2010 doesn't prove anything for Schaub.. Schaub was just on the wagon that was being pulled by the work horses. 2010 was when we still had Vonta Leach and was the season of Foster Debut where he had 1,616 rushing yards and 18 TDs

So are you suggesting a better fullback, and OL, can get us back to being a good red zone team? Because those pieces are alot easier to replace than a QB.

Scoring TDs only 54.9% of the time in the red zone is mediocre and not good enough.. it needs to go up if we're going to end up playing after the probowl... and as of right now in Schaub's tenure here we've only had one season were we were a top red zone team.. When Foster was having one of the greatest rushing seasons for a RB. If that's what it's going to take for this team and Schaub to have more success in the red zone, then we need to start looking for his replacement.

Depends how you look at it. Are we a defensive or offensive team? In other words, are we the type of team that relies on our defense to make stops, or our offense to outscore the other team? If we are an offensive team, then I agree, we need to get better at QB.

In regards to red zone TD efficiency, we were just as good as the 49ers. The top two teams in red zone efficiency last season were the Packers and Saints... we made it just as far as the Packers, and even farther than the Saints. Heck, half the teams that had better RZ efficiency than us didn't even make playoffs. In other words, RZ efficiency isn't the end all be all.

thunderkyss
01-27-2013, 05:54 PM
I haven't given up on these Texans yet. Sure, this season was a failure; a disappointment.

But I'm over it. Can't wait to see what they do next year.

thunderkyss
01-27-2013, 05:57 PM
Scoring TDs only 54.9% of the time in the red zone is mediocre and not good enough.. it needs to go up

I'd like for our scoring to improve from all areas of the field. Once we get near the 30, I think we should be taking shots at the endzone.

But I'd also like to score from their 40, 45, 50.... our 45, 40, 35, 30, 20,

I want more big plays. Big scoring plays.

dream_team
01-27-2013, 05:58 PM
I'm still up in the air with Kubiak so I'll leave him out of this..

However, I would prefer a step back if it led to a bigger step forward. The worst thing that can ever happen in sports is being stuck in mediocrity dying a slow agonizing death. That was the Rockets for the longest time and it killed me, but they made a big move with the James Harden trade and hopefully it'll be the big move that starts to pull them out of the mediocrity zone.

The Astros flat out suck, that's something nobody will argue about, but it doesn't bother me. I'm willing to let them suck and hopefully all that sucking will lead to us drafting some future star players (See Wash. Nats) and we can restock our farm system.

So in short, if we had a wheel fail off the wagon season that made us start looking for another QB, I wouldn't be cheering (I never cheer for my teams to lose), but I wouldn't exactly shed a tear either. Hell look what the Colts got out of their fall on their face season. :foottap:

Are we stuck in mediocrity though? We just made it to the 2nd round of playoffs 2 seasons in a row. That means 24 teams finished worse than us. We are in the top quarter of the league. If we were stuck in the middle for a few seasons... like the Eagles, Cowboys or Chargers, then I'd fully agree with you.

Carr Bombed
01-27-2013, 06:07 PM
Are we stuck in mediocrity though?
We just made it to the 2nd round of playoffs 2 seasons in a row. That means 24 teams finished worse than us. We are in the top quarter of the league. If we were stuck in the middle for a few seasons... like the Eagles, Cowboys or Chargers, then I'd fully agree with you.

The second half collapse took a lot of shine off our early season success with me. Even the wins we had in the second half were worrisome, mainly the Lions game and the Jags game. It goes back to the whole expectations thing and the reason why this was a failed season imo. It's time to step up and play with the big boys. I can take a loss to a top team as long as you're competitive, but getting blown out three times to top teams in unacceptable for any team that considers itself a "contender".

Maddict5
01-27-2013, 06:12 PM
The second half collapse took a lot of shine off our early season success with me. Even the wins we had in the second half were worrisome, mainly the Lions game and the Jags game. It goes back to the whole expectations thing and the reason why this was a failed season imo. It's time to step up and play with the big boys. I can take a loss to a top team as long as you're competitive, but getting blown out three times to top teams in unacceptable for any team that considers itself a "contender".

the second half collapse was 5-3

we also blew out the afc's sb participant. we're not that far away

Texan_Bill
01-27-2013, 06:18 PM
Feel good story, but if I had the chance to go on an expense paid trip to Hawaii with some of my buds like that I'd take it.

Lot of Negative Nancy running around in the comments section though, you'd think we just came off of 2-14 again.

Brother, you should know better than reading "comments", no?? :kitten:

Carr Bombed
01-27-2013, 06:22 PM
the second half collapse was 5-3

we also blew out the afc's sb participant. we're not that far away

The 49ers lost to the Rams, just saying. (speaking of the 49ers, they made a QB change after making to the NFC Championship game with Smith. If Schaub took Kubiak to the AFC Championship he would be so loyal that you would never even know who Colin Kaepernick is, if he was on this team

The Ravens took that big loss and took their play to another level. We took our first blowout loss, responded against the Ravens and then went into a funk and tail spanned out of HFA. That is a leadership issue with me... coming from either the QB (who played like hammered crap during that stretch) or the coaches. (I still don't see how you throw a challenge for too many players on the field and lose.. that was something I never saw before). Being far away or not isn't really the point. I'm saying even if we're close, that is as close as we're going to get until those issues are handled. Until we handle those issues we're stuck below a glass ceiling.

dream_team
01-27-2013, 06:24 PM
The second half collapse took a lot of shine off our early season success with me. Even the wins we had in the second half were worrisome, mainly the Lions game and the Jags game. It goes back to the whole expectations thing and the reason why this was a failed season imo. It's time to step up and play with the big boys. I can take a loss to a top team as long as you're competitive, but getting blown out three times to top teams in unacceptable for any team that considers itself a "contender".

Yah, I see your point. But I'm still more optimistic than you are. I don't think we're that far away.

How is it that every thread somehow migrates to this same topic?

Bulls on Parade
01-27-2013, 06:25 PM
So many Pro Bowlers on offense. How did we get so bad in the red zone down the stretch? Frustrating.
I blame the playcalling above all else.

Carr Bombed
01-27-2013, 06:28 PM
Yah, I see your point. But I'm still more optimistic than you are. I don't think we're that far away.

How is it that every thread somehow migrates to this same topic?

I haven't been on this board very much since the loss. I had to take a break and decompress. :) I missed all those posts.

Playoffs
01-27-2013, 06:39 PM
Peyton takes 4 plays to punch it in from red zone. :mariopalm:

Carr Bombed
01-27-2013, 07:39 PM
Schaub with another stupid pass into double coverage. :wadepalm:

steelbtexan
01-27-2013, 10:07 PM
The 49ers lost to the Rams, just saying. (speaking of the 49ers, they made a QB change after making to the NFC Championship game with Smith. If Schaub took Kubiak to the AFC Championship he would be so loyal that you would never even know who Colin Kaepernick is, if he was on this team

The Ravens took that big loss and took their play to another level. We took our first blowout loss, responded against the Ravens and then went into a funk and tail spanned out of HFA. That is a leadership issue with me... coming from either the QB (who played like hammered crap during that stretch) or the coaches. (I still don't see how you throw a challenge for too many players on the field and lose.. that was something I never saw before). Being far away or not isn't really the point. I'm saying even if we're close, that is as close as we're going to get until those issues are handled. Until we handle those issues we're stuck below a glass ceiling.

SB contender = LOL

Has anybody looked at the many holes on this team?

They need a really good draft to atleast fill some of the holes. Gary has already had his sleep apnes surgery, so hopefully he can find time to make it to the combine to personally scout/interview the players. Unlike past yrs.

We've seen what the draft turns into when Rick is left alone at the combine. 6-10 anybody?

Carr Bombed
01-27-2013, 10:22 PM
SB contender = LOL

Has anybody looked at the many holes on this team?

They need a really good draft to at least fill some of the holes. Gary has already had his sleep apnes surgery, so hopefully he can find time to make it to the combine to personally scout/interview the players. Unlike past yrs.

We've seen what the draft turns into when Rick is left alone at the combine. 6-10 anybody?

Every team has holes, which is why QB play is so important today like no other time in the history of the league. Good QB play can cover a lot of holes. I think the Brad Johnson days and Trent Dilfer days are over. Alex Smith was way better than both of those guys and he got benched for a guy who was basically a rookie with greater playmaking potential. I just don't think Schaub is that guy who'll be able to take us where we need to go.

Texecutioner
01-27-2013, 10:31 PM
The second half collapse took a lot of shine off our early season success with me. Even the wins we had in the second half were worrisome, mainly the Lions game and the Jags game. It goes back to the whole expectations thing and the reason why this was a failed season imo. It's time to step up and play with the big boys. I can take a loss to a top team as long as you're competitive, but getting blown out three times to top teams in unacceptable for any team that considers itself a "contender".

If they were some worrisome then why did you start a thread after that game and call everyone a bunch of cry babies who complained about the team's performance or questioned anything??

:vincepalm:

I go out of town for thanksgiving, come back and see a whole bunch of threads of people just crying. Newsflash people, your team wasn't going to go 16-0 and I highly doubt they'll go 15-1.. which they're still on pace to pull off BTW. For the love of god, man up, suck up the tears and stop crying. In case anybody paid attention or not, the Texans won.

And before the "yeah buts" come in.. who gives a crap, how many times was Houston on the other side of that coin for almost a decade when they faced good teams? We're 10-1 and have managed to win two close games in overtime when we were tested. There is nothing to cry about.. at least not to this extent. Eat your leftover turkey and stop crying. If you want something to actually whine about, snap back to 2005.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96395&highlight=Babies


Seems a bit hypocritical Carr Bombed. You acted like there was nothing to even worry about on that day from what I remember. Now you're acting like it was some major game that changed the dynamics of things. I don't see how you of anyone can bring these games up at all.

Carr Bombed
01-27-2013, 10:44 PM
If they were some worrisome then why did you start a thread after that game and call everyone a bunch of cry babies who complained about the team's performance or questioned anything??



http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96395&highlight=Babies


Seems a bit hypocritical Carr Bombed. You acted like there was nothing to even worry about on that day from what I remember. Now you're acting like it was some major game that changed the dynamics of things. I don't see how you of anyone can bring these games up at all.

What the hell? You really just pulled up a thread months old? :toropalm:

Since when can people not change their mind??? Dp you even know the history of my handle? I wasn't always "Carr Bombed". I wanted to do just what you're doing now... walk around with my head in a dark stinky place ignoring the obvious. I wanted to believe as well, that doesn't mean I have to latch on to a sinking ship just because I unplugged my head and opened up my eyes.

You didn't pull up anything that was "hypocritical", all you did was pull up something from the past from someone who has had a change of opinion about (the QB of) his team. I do have a right to change my opinion don't I? You could go back in time and pull up posts from multiple posters who have changed their opinion on different topics. The fact that I made that thread just proves that no matter what I say, I'm a fan and root for my team and want the best for my team, but that doesn't mean I have to keep towing the company line when things become blatantly obvious to me. I have no problem admitting being wrong, but that also means I don't have to stay on one side, am cemented to one opinion, just because a thread was submitted into the Texanstalk memory bank. :rolleyes: Your little "Gotcha post" reeks of desperation.. a hell of a LOT has changed since November.

tru80texan
01-28-2013, 07:22 AM
Back to the OP. Are the Texans really gaining respect when its the Texans talking about how others respect the Texans? Doesn't that seem like it needs to be taken w/ a grain of salt. I think I would be more impressed w/ players from OTHER teams talking about who they respected from the Texans as opposed to the Texans patting themselves on the back. Give me a quote from P.Manning talking about Watt or Champ Bailey talking about Andre over the Texan players claiming that others respect them despite none being quoted as saying such. Just saying...

Double Barrel
01-28-2013, 12:14 PM
Yeah, I guess we should never raise expectations for the Texans.


Okay, my expectations have been raised. Now what? :um:

From this perch, it sure seems like higher expectations can lead to bigger disappointments...

expectations (http://www.google.com/search?q=expectations&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=serp&pq=expectations&cp=14&gs_id=7&xhr=t&q=expectations+definition&es_nrs=true&pf=p&tbo=d&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&sclient=psy-ab&oq=expectations+d&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41524429,d.b2I&fp=f62974a305da139d&biw=1280&bih=900) plural of ex·pec·ta·tion (Noun):
Noun
1.A strong belief that something will happen or be the case in the future.
2.A belief that someone will or should achieve something.

"Expectations" sure seems like a whole bunch of blind faith when applied to something that you have absolutely no power to control.

To be quite honest, I'm not going to expect a damn thing except to be entertained. Living vicariously through an entertainment medium is a dangerous endeavor in that potentially leads to shallow thinking and bitter disappointment.

I'd rather keep my football viewing firmly where it belongs: entertaining me as a rather pointless diversion. :howdy:

rolyat93
01-28-2013, 12:38 PM
Okay, my expectations have been raised. Now what? :um:

From this perch, it sure seems like higher expectations can lead to bigger disappointments

I was just saying I'm not satisfied with just getting to the divisional round.


So what if I'm disappointed, I'm a fan it's what I do.

I'd rather keep my football viewing firmly where it belongs: entertaining me as a rather pointless diversion.


I understand what you're saying but it's not like I'm at home sick because the Texans lost. Life goes on.

badboy
01-28-2013, 02:16 PM
Just in case people forgot, there are 29 other teams not playing in the Super Bowl this year.Yep, but I do not buy their merchandise, scream my lungs out in support and stay up nights mocking drafts for them. IMO, those other team are not beating us, it is the team I root for that is beating us. sigh

Vance87
01-28-2013, 04:29 PM
Yep, but I do not buy their merchandise, scream my lungs out in support and stay up nights mocking drafts for them. IMO, those other team are not beating us, it is the team I root for that is beating us. sigh

How many Super Bowls has PFM made it to in his 14 year career? How many Super Bowls has Baltimore made it to, a perennial playoff team?

Make the Super Bowl is damn hard. And some of you whine and ***** like we shoulda been there 5 times already.

Get over 2012 already, it's done with.

Texecutioner
01-28-2013, 07:07 PM
What the hell? You really just pulled up a thread months old? :toropalm:

Gotta love the archives CB. It's always a lot easier to quote someone when there own words are right there. Wasn't trying to blast you or anything, but people on this site lie all of the time about things they said or didn't say in the past. Much easier when you can pull their own words.

Since when can people not change their mind??? Dp you even know the history of my handle? I wasn't always "Carr Bombed". I wanted to do just what you're doing now... walk around with my head in a dark stinky place ignoring the obvious. I wanted to believe as well, that doesn't mean I have to latch on to a sinking ship just because I unplugged my head and opened up my eyes.

You didn't pull up anything that was "hypocritical", all you did was pull up something from the past from someone who has had a change of opinion about (the QB of) his team. I do have a right to change my opinion don't I? You could go back in time and pull up posts from multiple posters who have changed their opinion on different topics. The fact that I made that thread just proves that no matter what I say, I'm a fan and root for my team and want the best for my team, but that doesn't mean I have to keep towing the company line when things become blatantly obvious to me. I have no problem admitting being wrong, but that also means I don't have to stay on one side, am cemented to one opinion, just because a thread was submitted into the Texanstalk memory bank. :rolleyes: Your little "Gotcha post" reeks of desperation.. a hell of a LOT has changed since November.

I'm just saying that it seems a little hypocritical to bring up that game now as some sort of "change game" when at the time you were calling anyone who had a problem with the performance a cry baby and basically telling them to shut up. That was the exact game where Kubiak reared his ugly head once again, and refused to go for a 1st down on like a 3rd and 9 and put the team's chances on a kicker that couldn't hit jack from behind the 50 and cost us to lose the game, but fortunately the Lions couldn't finish. But there was a lot to criticize about that game and it a lot of it had to do with Kubiak.

Personally I found that thread a little surprising from you at the time, because you're usually very critical of this team in performances like that where the team plays really bad. I just don't see how you could reference that game now when you blasted anyone who breathed a word about it before. Do you still think that people were cry babies at the time now or would you say that some of the complaints were legit???