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beerlover
01-27-2013, 12:20 AM
Texan Mock based off this years Senior Bowl prospects only. Not included are record number of highly touted underclassman. Really satisfied with needs addressed except ILB, just a weak overall class which may prompt Texans to be active before the draft in free agency like a Dannell Ellerbe (feel like we owe Ravens something). Anyway with Cushing back he will automatically improve position, addressed DL in a big way, added a legitimate WR to go along with Andre, CB help as well safety, OL depth/possible starter for RG, extra emphasis on special teams (with last years kicker Bullock Texans will be set for next decade) blocking TE who can turn into red zone threat & overall depth.

Can you dig it, man :handshake:

1st. Rd. Datone Jones, DE/OLB, 6'4" 280, UCLA http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0529/com_120529_gemmell_uclapostspring_120530.jpg
Jones has frame to play 5 tech DE to bookend Watt. Powerful, fluid, strong hands really had a big Senior Bowl week. Not as dominant as Ezekial Ansah but solid nevertheless more in the mold of last years 21st overall pick Chandler Jones. Has short area quickness, ability to stack & shed blockers with regularity. Impressive interview & rocked up @ weigh-in with proverbial bubble butt. Very intriguing, fast rising, pass rushing prospect to keep an eye on.

2nd Rd. Quinton Patton, WR, 6'0" 202, Louisiana Tech
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Patton was impressive all week in practice & showed out on special teams & blocking down field. Reminds me of Steve Smith. Solid build, fluid, positive body language, always works to the ball doesn't just wait for the ball to come to him. Also like Aaron Dobson, Marshall good looking WR prospect but doubt will have same productivity as Patton (eye candy). Ideal size, good week of practice just a step behind Terrance Williams, good value end of 2nd. Looking for combination of biggest impact to offense & ability to easily transition into the NFL without the growing pains. Texans need to add impact receiver early in either round one or two with record number of underclassman highly rated @ WR position this should help push a good one like Patton to Texans.

3rd. Rd. Brandon Williams, NT, 6'2" 341, Missouri Southern
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Secret is out now. Like a bowling bowl mowing down pins for strikes he overwhelms blockers with stunning hand punch, brute force & leverage using explosive first step to gain advantage. Would compliment Earl Mitchell who is similar in stature & added weight last off season to 308 who was forced into starting role with injury's to free agent Shaun Cody. This is a critical need that should be addressed & Brandon offers Texans skill set they will covet.

3rd. Rd. (compensatory pick for Mario): BW Webb, CB, 5'10" 183, William & Mary
http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/17/47/11/4092507/3/628x471.jpg
Fluid hips, quick feet able to change & redirect position. Great fit for nickle to replace injured free agent Brice McCain. Has some ball hawk skills possess good hands & does a nice job returning punts. If corner was a bigger need I would look @ Trufant or Poyer in the first round but other than loss via free agency Texans are pretty set outside with Jackson & Joseph. BW would create a nice addition to secondary & worth a 2nd day selection.

4th rd. Hugh Thornton, OG, 6'3" 313, Illinois

Would love to add Larry Warford but he looks like a 2nd rd. pick to me. I noticed Thornton execute a nice cut block on a nice red zone TD ran by Franklin so I'm sold even though he doesn't look like a natural knee bender. Plays with some nasty demeanor too like Brisiel. Would upgrade depth across the OL while in direct competition to win the starting RG position.

5th Rd. Michael Williams, TE, 6'5" 272, Alabama
Primarily thought of as a traditional in line blocking TE but displayed soft, reliable hands one in fact over his shoulder catch for the South first TD. He probably helped himself move higher one round which should be reason why all Senior players offered the chance to compete in Mobile should accept, anyone who doesn't maybe has something to hide? Williams would provide much needed pass protection off the edge, another down field blocker & red zone target.

5th. Rd. (compensatory pick for Mike Brisiel) Jonathan Cyprien, S, 6'0 210 Florida International http://prod.static.dolphins.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/MIA/article-thumbnails/news/2013/01-January/130121_SeniorBowl.jpg
Fine looking prospect capable of playing either safety position. Good size & closing speed his stock will probably soar after this week based off measureables & his steady climb to first team Sun Belt saftey after two seasons on 2nd team. Played on same team with TY Hilton & quickly ascend to 3rd safety for Texans which means a lot of reps as a rookie.

5th. Rd. (compensatory pick for Joel Dresseen) Jeff Locke, P, 6'0" 208 UCLA
Booms his punts with excellent hang time & distance (52.4 yard average). Anger was selected in the 3rd rd. last year by the Jags & was one of their few bright spots. Coaches/scouts during practices commented when hearing the boom on contact with football he reminded them of Bryan Anger, upgrading special teams cannot be that tough but Marciano or next special teams coach must have some commitment in their own talent pool, Donnie Jones was merely another stop gap.

6th. Rd. Kyle Juszczyk, FB, 6'1" 250
Smart, physical excellent in pass pro & creating seams. Type of player you want on your side, in the trenches, high character, work ethic best blocker Senior Week in practice. Texans have another chance to improve a position late in the draft all they need to do is commit to change.

7th. Rd. Robbie Rouse, RB 5'7" 190, Fresno State

Hard to find load with explosive cuts can run inside the tackles. Huge thighs very hard to wrap around or trip up with lower center of gravity, had career rushing total of 4,625 yards, this past season added 58 receptions out of the backfield, could be this years version of Alfred Morris taking some of the pressure/reps off Foster.

7th. Rd. (compensatory pick for Jason Allen) Vince Williams, ILB, 6'1" 250, Florida State
Thumper with attitude in Seminole tradition. Best inside LB in Mobile this week who had a much lower grade coming in but think he moved up based off performance. Strong willing body who shoots gaps & not afraid to take on guards, in a thin crop he has risen & value is smart play late in the day.

otisbean
01-27-2013, 07:19 AM
Nice work! This would be a great haul.

beerlover
01-27-2013, 09:49 AM
Nice work! This would be a great haul.

thanks! this would be a Patriot like haul. speaking of Patriots 6 of the players I selected where also pointed out on Patriot Draft site as fits for them as well, luckily in that case Texans select a couple picks ahead of them this year as opposed to last draft when they took Jones/Hightower before Texans :aggressive:

Honoring Earl 34
01-27-2013, 10:01 AM
Looks good BL .

Jones and the DE from Georgia played well . Unless you think Crick is the answer we better get on the DEs on this team . This would give them options .

I liked the other picks but agree ILB is a priority . I think Houston has the kind of WiFi to satisfy Teo if he falls to 27 .

WolverineFan
01-27-2013, 11:39 AM
I've been a big fan of Jones and Patton all year. I thought Cyprien looked really good yesterday and I like the Locke pick. We need a Punter.

Jonathan Franklin has been my sleeper RB all year and nothing has changed after the Senior Bowl. Really want the Texans to draft this kid. Either him or Stephan Taylor.

beerlover
01-27-2013, 11:39 AM
Looks good BL .

Jones and the DE from Georgia played well . Unless you think Crick is the answer we better get on the DEs on this team . This would give them options .

I liked the other picks but agree ILB is a priority . I think Houston has the kind of WiFi to satisfy Teo if he falls to 27 .

everyone of the players selected impressed me, obviously. I could go right on down the line. Really liked the smaller school prospects I didn't get a chance to see during the season, real value now but will move up draft boards come April. For example I'm not sure if Jonathan Cyprien won't be the best safety in this draft? If Texans really want to improve the back end with starting quality talent I would have no problem taking him as high as the 2nd rd. He looks complete, has everything you want in a safety, almost Ed Reed'ish in tracking, physical style & ballhawking :)

Honoring Earl 34
01-27-2013, 11:51 AM
everyone of the players selected impressed me, obviously. I could go right on down the line. Really liked the smaller school prospects I didn't get a chance to see during the season, real value now but will move up draft boards come April. For example I'm not sure if Jonathan Cyprien won't be the best safety in this draft? If Texans really want to improve the back end with starting quality talent I would have no problem taking him as high as the 2nd rd. He looks complete, has everything you want in a safety, almost Ed Reed'ish in tracking, physical style & ballhawking :)

My Texan theory is they've gotten really slow . It really shows up on special teams .

Keo ran a 4.7
Sharpton a 4.8
Demps ... slow
Walter ... slow
James is slow
Casey ran a 4.7
Nading is slow for an OLB
Dobbins is older and probably at best a 4.8
Ruud ran a 4.75 in 05 .

This is off the top of my head . The Texans need speed , athleticism , and power badly .

Lucky
01-27-2013, 12:29 PM
My Texan theory is they've gotten really slow . It really shows up on special teams .
That's about it. And I've never understood their man love for Keo. I've never seen him flash on the field. In a draft where the offense really needs some players that can come in and compete, the defense needs a speed transfusion. I'd give Kubiak the first 2 days of the draft, and let day 3 belong to Wade.

Honoring Earl 34
01-27-2013, 12:33 PM
That's about it. And I've never understood their man love for Keo. I've never seen him flash on the field. In a draft where the offense really needs some players that can come in and compete, the defense needs a speed transfusion. I'd give Kubiak the first 2 days of the draft, and let day 3 belong to Wade.

Keo has a real girlfriend ? :ant:

IDEXAN
01-27-2013, 12:55 PM
Brandon Williams won't be there when we pick in the second round, and maybe
by our first round pick he's long gone. And why would you use a first-rounder on a DE when we've got Wall & Antonio ?
So how confidant are you we get 4 comps, or is that just wishful thinking ?

Honoring Earl 34
01-27-2013, 01:15 PM
Brandon Williams won't be there when we pick in the second round, and maybe
by our first round pick he's long gone. And why would you use a first-rounder on a DE when we've got Wall & Antonio ?
So how confidant are you we get 4 comps, or is that just wishful thinking ?

Antonio may be a salary dump .

This draft has a good number of 320 plus guys who are pretty good . Maybe a team would rather have a guy from a bigger school .

steelbtexan
01-27-2013, 01:36 PM
That's about it. And I've never understood their man love for Keo. I've never seen him flash on the field. In a draft where the offense really needs some players that can come in and compete, the defense needs a speed transfusion. I'd give Kubiak the first 2 days of the draft, and let day 3 belong to Wade.

Yep, Talented guys should be available in Rds 3-5.

Brandon Williams/C.Washington/Cooper Taylor/Cyprien are examples of this.

beerlover
01-27-2013, 02:01 PM
Brandon Williams won't be there when we pick in the second round, and maybe
by our first round pick he's long gone. And why would you use a first-rounder on a DE when we've got Wall & Antonio ?
So how confidant are you we get 4 comps, or is that just wishful thinking ?

If Williams is not there in the 3rd you must let him go :pinned:

Watt needs to have his contract extended sooner than later by whatever means necessary, Jones would be his future bookend DE after Antonio teaches him ways of the Ninja :aikido: plus Texans need another premier pass rusher after Watt nobody stepped up their production & Barwin may leave via free agency.

In regards to comps, I used our boards own resident expert Dutchrudder fine work - http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96961

skeptical feedback I must say but there you go :butterfly:

beerlover
01-27-2013, 02:02 PM
Antonio may be a salary dump .

This draft has a good number of 320 plus guys who are pretty good . Maybe a team would rather have a guy from a bigger school .

unlike ILB this is a good year to address nose tackle :kingkong:

beerlover
01-27-2013, 02:07 PM
That's about it. And I've never understood their man love for Keo. I've never seen him flash on the field. In a draft where the offense really needs some players that can come in and compete, the defense needs a speed transfusion. I'd give Kubiak the first 2 days of the draft, and let day 3 belong to Wade.

Pretty much agree with you guys but Texans seem infatuated with size, smarts & motor. Otherwise I could easily mock Poyer in 1st & Wheaten in 2nd both those guys are smaller, they do have high motors & play smart so maybe there is some hope I will just have to see it to believe it :vinny:

steelbtexan
01-27-2013, 03:01 PM
Pretty much agree with you guys but Texans seem infatuated with size, smarts & motor. Otherwise I could easily mock Poyer in 1st & Wheaten in 2nd both those guys are smaller, they do have high motors & play smart so maybe there is some hope I will just have to see it to believe it :vinny:

BL, If Jones is there I would take him. Great pass rusher and definitely fills a huge need. I dont see him being there at 27. The Saints/Giants/Packers/Jets could all be destinations before the Texans pick, (This is just off the top of head.

I still believe the offense needs to be fixed 1st and foremost. If Jones is the 1st rd pick. Then the next three picks need to be on the offense side of the ball. Scoring 1 TD in 16 qtrs is terrible.

I dont care how much you beef up the defense, scoring 1 offensive TD in 16 qtrs is a reciept for failure. The offense has been neglected for far too long.

beerlover
01-27-2013, 03:09 PM
BL, If Jones is there I would take him. Great pass rusher and definitely fills a huge need. I dont see him being there at 27. The Saints/Giants/Packers/Jets could all be destinations before the Texans pick, (This is just off the top of head.

I still believe the offense needs to be fixed 1st and foremost. If Jones is the 1st rd pick. Then the next three picks need to be on the offense side of the ball. Scoring 1 TD in 16 qtrs is terrible.

I dont care how much you beef up the defense, scoring 1 offensive TD in 16 qtrs is a reciept for failure. The offense has been neglected for far too long.

Rounds 2, 4 & 5 not terribly off then while upgrading key defensive positions. You have to remember its never one way street not only could Texans not score they couldn't stop other teams from scoring. :handshake:

otisbean
01-27-2013, 05:33 PM
I've been a big fan of Jones and Patton all year. I thought Cyprien looked really good yesterday and I like the Locke pick. We need a Punter.

Jonathan Franklin has been my sleeper RB all year and nothing has changed after the Senior Bowl. Really want the Texans to draft this kid. Either him or Stephan Taylor.

I like both those RBs a lot, would be really happy with either. I don't think Tate will be with the Texans for much longer. I also like a couple of NDs backs Wood and Reddick. They may be available in the later rounds.

beerlover
01-27-2013, 05:52 PM
Just watched some tape (Fresno-Oregon) & Rouse is really impressive. I mean save early picks for hard to find positional players like NT, WR, CB, DE/OLB & give me a Robbie Rouse in later round any day.

steelbtexan
01-27-2013, 06:12 PM
Rounds 2, 4 & 5 not terribly off then while upgrading key defensive positions. You have to remember its never one way street not only could Texans not score they couldn't stop other teams from scoring. :handshake:

I know that it isn't a one way street.

My thinking is that the Texans aren't going to win a SB next yr anyway. So instead of reaching for players to fill needs, as most mocks do. (Mine included.

If this yrs draft ends up providing AJ's future replacement and a QB to replace Schaub if he gets hurt or Schaub performs poorly and is replaced in 2014 like the 49ers have done with Smith/Kaepernick.

And the rest of the draft is used to improve the ST's.(FB/LB/Te etc....) I will be content. ( Of course I hope for better) The reason I want Schaub's replacement is that Doc said this past yr is as good as Schaub's foot is going to get and after seeing other players suffer the same injury I believe this to be the case. The Texans cant win a SB with Schaub at QB.

otisbean
01-27-2013, 06:53 PM
I know that it isn't a one way street.

My thinking is that the Texans aren't going to win a SB next yr anyway. So instead of reaching for players to fill needs, as most mocks do. (Mine included.

If this yrs draft ends up providing AJ's future replacement and a QB to replace Schaub if he gets hurt or Schaub performs poorly and is replaced in 2014 like the 49ers have done with Smith/Kaepernick.

And the rest of the draft is used to improve the ST's.(FB/LB/Te etc....) I will be content. ( Of course I hope for better) The reason I want Schaub's replacement is that Doc said this past yr is as good as Schaub's foot is going to get and after seeing other players suffer the same injury I believe this to be the case. The Texans cant win a SB with Schaub at QB.

The problem is there's not a good QB is this draft, or at least they all have significant warts and are a big gamble. I think we may have to wait until next years draft or flip some picks to Wash for Cousins. I'd take Cousins over anyone in this years draft. He's looked good in both games he's played in this year.

steelbtexan
01-27-2013, 07:02 PM
The problem is there's not a good QB is this draft, or at least they all have significant warts and are a big gamble. I think we may have to wait until next years draft or flip some picks to Wash for Cousins. I'd take Cousins over anyone in this years draft. He's looked good in both games he's played in this year.

Bray can be a franchise QB. IMHO

34 TD's 12 ints 3500 yds passing.

Strong arm, decent accuracy, although Bray isn't a runner, he navigates the pocket well.

Footwork and leadership issues (They are very overrated IMHO)

htownfan32
01-27-2013, 07:27 PM
I've been a big fan of Jones and Patton all year. I thought Cyprien looked really good yesterday and I like the Locke pick. We need a Punter.

Jonathan Franklin has been my sleeper RB all year and nothing has changed after the Senior Bowl. Really want the Texans to draft this kid. Either him or Stephan Taylor.

Ironically enough, I became a big Patton fan the night of the A&M - LA Tech game. This guy is money. He absolutely shredded the A&M secondary.

IDEXAN
01-28-2013, 08:20 AM
If Williams is not there in the 3rd you must let him go :pinned:

Watt needs to have his contract extended sooner than later by whatever means necessary, Jones would be his future bookend DE after Antonio teaches him ways of the Ninja :aikido: plus Texans need another premier pass rusher after Watt nobody stepped up their production & Barwin may leave via free agency.

In regards to comps, I used our boards own resident expert Dutchrudder fine work - http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96961

skeptical feedback I must say but there you go :butterfly:
We've got some good young prospects to step in for Antonio after he departs like Tim Jamison & Jared Crick. Anyway don't you think it's about time we look to an edge-rusher to take up the slack in pressuring the QB ? The idea of our "2 top" pass-rushers being downlineman in our 3-4 just doesn't make much sense to me ? I'd rather see them use a high-pick on another OLB even with Merciless & Reed than I would a first-rounder on a 3-4 DE.

beerlover
01-28-2013, 08:54 AM
We've got some good young prospects to step in for Antonio after he departs like Tim Jamison & Jared Crick. Anyway don't you think it's about time we look to an edge-rusher to take up the slack in pressuring the QB ? The idea of our "2 top" pass-rushers being downlineman in our 3-4 just doesn't make much sense to me ? I'd rather see them use a high-pick on another OLB even with Merciless & Reed than I would a first-rounder on a 3-4 DE.

Texans more often than not configure in a 4-3 not traditional 3-4 so he could play DE while Antonio kicks to DT. Texans spent #26th overall in last years draft on OLB Whitney Mercilus, Brooks the year before #42 in 2nd. Watt, a DE was taken #11 overall in 2011. As I framed it Jones can either bookend Watt 3-4 or replace Barwin 4-3. Athletic monster to compliment Watt he uses his quickness inside, has natural strength/strong hands, and shows desirable passion for football. Datone seems to flash a lot of juice, doesn't take plays off, is explosive, has exceptional rip move, strong base to plant & bull rush. In reality he is one of those ascending prospects come Day One this April probably already off the board.

steelbtexan
01-28-2013, 09:26 AM
We've got some good young prospects to step in for Antonio after he departs like Tim Jamison & Jared Crick. Anyway don't you think it's about time we look to an edge-rusher to take up the slack in pressuring the QB ? The idea of our "2 top" pass-rushers being downlineman in our 3-4 just doesn't make much sense to me ? I'd rather see them use a high-pick on another OLB even with Merciless & Reed than I would a first-rounder on a 3-4 DE.

Jones is a dynamic pass rusher. He plays with alot of heart and would be a perfect fit in Wades version of a 3-4 or 4-3 on passing downs.

As BL said after the Sr Bowl/Combine he probably will be gone at 27.

IDEXAN
01-28-2013, 09:31 AM
I did not realize Datone Jones was at the game Saturday, don't recall his name being called ? But wow, how about Ezekiel Ansah, that guys a wild & crazy Ghanan ! He took over the SB game Saturday, often. OK yea he'd be a project, but what a physical freak ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezekiel_Ansah
Ezekiel Nana "Ziggy" Ansah is an American collegiate football player from Ghana, Africa. He is a linebacker at Brigham Young University. Ansah grew up playing soccer but was recruited to BYU by a Mormon missionary who thought the Ghanaian’s 6' 6" 250-pound frame would lend itself to football.[1] Ansah converted to the LDS faith and was awarded an academic scholarship to BYU in 2008. However, rather than going out for the football team, Ansah, a huge fan of LeBron James, tried out for the basketball team but was cut from both the 2008 and 2009 teams.[2][3] After facing rejection in basketball Ansah did successfully walk on to the BYU track team, where he ran a 10.91 in the 100-meter dash in addition to clocking a time of 21.89 seconds in the 200 meters.[4] Finally, Ansah was persuaded to try out for the football team, and he began playing football for the Cougars in 2010.

badboy
01-28-2013, 10:30 AM
Texans more often than not configure in a 4-3 not traditional 3-4 so he could play DE while Antonio kicks to DT. Texans spent #26th overall in last years draft on OLB Whitney Mercilus, Brooks the year before #42 in 2nd. Watt, a DE was taken #11 overall in 2011. As I framed it Jones can either bookend Watt 3-4 or replace Barwin 4-3. Athletic monster to compliment Watt he uses his quickness inside, has natural strength/strong hands, and shows desirable passion for football. Datone seems to flash a lot of juice, doesn't take plays off, is explosive, has exceptional rip move, strong base to plant & bull rush. In reality he is one of those ascending prospects come Day One this April probably already off the board.This is accurate, BL and I like your mock. I followed Datone and he is good but I have him rated top 22. Ansah should be there & I like him better as OLB. I rated both as having 5 better than avg plays in Senior Bowl. Patton should be very good.

Honoring Earl 34
01-28-2013, 12:05 PM
This is accurate, BL and I like your mock. I followed Datone and he is good but I have him rated top 22. Ansah should be there & I like him better as OLB. I rated both as having 5 better than avg plays in Senior Bowl. Patton should be very good.

Ziggy Ansah can make himself a ton of money at the combine .

Doppelganger
01-29-2013, 03:06 PM
Texan Mock based off this years Senior Bowl prospects only. Not included are record number of highly touted underclassman. Really satisfied with needs addressed except ILB, just a weak overall class which may prompt Texans to be active before the draft in free agency like a Dannell Ellerbe (feel like we owe Ravens something). Anyway with Cushing back he will automatically improve position, addressed DL in a big way, added a legitimate WR to go along with Andre, CB help as well safety, OL depth/possible starter for RG, extra emphasis on special teams (with last years kicker Bullock Texans will be set for next decade) blocking TE who can turn into red zone threat & overall depth.

Can you dig it, man :handshake:

1st. Rd. Datone Jones, DE/OLB, 6'4" 280, UCLA http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0529/com_120529_gemmell_uclapostspring_120530.jpg
Jones has frame to play 5 tech DE to bookend Watt. Powerful, fluid, strong hands really had a big Senior Bowl week. Not as dominant as Ezekial Ansah but solid nevertheless more in the mold of last years 21st overall pick Chandler Jones. Has short area quickness, ability to stack & shed blockers with regularity. Impressive interview & rocked up @ weigh-in with proverbial bubble butt. Very intriguing, fast rising, pass rushing prospect to keep an eye on.

2nd Rd. Quinton Patton, WR, 6'0" 202, Louisiana Tech
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Patton was impressive all week in practice & showed out on special teams & blocking down field. Reminds me of Steve Smith. Solid build, fluid, positive body language, always works to the ball doesn't just wait for the ball to come to him. Also like Aaron Dobson, Marshall good looking WR prospect but doubt will have same productivity as Patton (eye candy). Ideal size, good week of practice just a step behind Terrance Williams, good value end of 2nd. Looking for combination of biggest impact to offense & ability to easily transition into the NFL without the growing pains. Texans need to add impact receiver early in either round one or two with record number of underclassman highly rated @ WR position this should help push a good one like Patton to Texans.

3rd. Rd. Brandon Williams, NT, 6'2" 341, Missouri Southern
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/123/273/hi-res-6961464_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=432&q=75
Secret is out now. Like a bowling bowl mowing down pins for strikes he overwhelms blockers with stunning hand punch, brute force & leverage using explosive first step to gain advantage. Would compliment Earl Mitchell who is similar in stature & added weight last off season to 308 who was forced into starting role with injury's to free agent Shaun Cody. This is a critical need that should be addressed & Brandon offers Texans skill set they will covet.

3rd. Rd. (compensatory pick for Mario): BW Webb, CB, 5'10" 183, William & Mary
http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/17/47/11/4092507/3/628x471.jpg
Fluid hips, quick feet able to change & redirect position. Great fit for nickle to replace injured free agent Brice McCain. Has some ball hawk skills possess good hands & does a nice job returning punts. If corner was a bigger need I would look @ Trufant or Poyer in the first round but other than loss via free agency Texans are pretty set outside with Jackson & Joseph. BW would create a nice addition to secondary & worth a 2nd day selection.

4th rd. Hugh Thornton, OG, 6'3" 313, Illinois

Would love to add Larry Warford but he looks like a 2nd rd. pick to me. I noticed Thornton execute a nice cut block on a nice red zone TD ran by Franklin so I'm sold even though he doesn't look like a natural knee bender. Plays with some nasty demeanor too like Brisiel. Would upgrade depth across the OL while in direct competition to win the starting RG position.

5th Rd. Michael Williams, TE, 6'5" 272, Alabama
Primarily thought of as a traditional in line blocking TE but displayed soft, reliable hands one in fact over his shoulder catch for the South first TD. He probably helped himself move higher one round which should be reason why all Senior players offered the chance to compete in Mobile should accept, anyone who doesn't maybe has something to hide? Williams would provide much needed pass protection off the edge, another down field blocker & red zone target.

5th. Rd. (compensatory pick for Mike Brisiel) Jonathan Cyprien, S, 6'0 210 Florida International http://prod.static.dolphins.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/MIA/article-thumbnails/news/2013/01-January/130121_SeniorBowl.jpg
Fine looking prospect capable of playing either safety position. Good size & closing speed his stock will probably soar after this week based off measureables & his steady climb to first team Sun Belt saftey after two seasons on 2nd team. Played on same team with TY Hilton & quickly ascend to 3rd safety for Texans which means a lot of reps as a rookie.

5th. Rd. (compensatory pick for Joel Dresseen) Jeff Locke, P, 6'0" 208 UCLA
Booms his punts with excellent hang time & distance (52.4 yard average). Anger was selected in the 3rd rd. last year by the Jags & was one of their few bright spots. Coaches/scouts during practices commented when hearing the boom on contact with football he reminded them of Bryan Anger, upgrading special teams cannot be that tough but Marciano or next special teams coach must have some commitment in their own talent pool, Donnie Jones was merely another stop gap.

6th. Rd. Kyle Juszczyk, FB, 6'1" 250
Smart, physical excellent in pass pro & creating seams. Type of player you want on your side, in the trenches, high character, work ethic best blocker Senior Week in practice. Texans have another chance to improve a position late in the draft all they need to do is commit to change.

7th. Rd. Robbie Rouse, RB 5'7" 190, Fresno State

Hard to find load with explosive cuts can run inside the tackles. Huge thighs very hard to wrap around or trip up with lower center of gravity, had career rushing total of 4,625 yards, this past season added 58 receptions out of the backfield, could be this years version of Alfred Morris taking some of the pressure/reps off Foster.

7th. Rd. (compensatory pick for Jason Allen) Vince Williams, ILB, 6'1" 250, Florida State
Thumper with attitude in Seminole tradition. Best inside LB in Mobile this week who had a much lower grade coming in but think he moved up based off performance. Strong willing body who shoots gaps & not afraid to take on guards, in a thin crop he has risen & value is smart play late in the day.

Its tough to do a Senior only mock. Props to you for trying it!!!

1. Great selection, but as you said in your last line, "fast rising, pass rushing prospect to keep an eye on", he may get too high for Htown. QB, guy who protects the QB(LT) and guy who puts pressure on the QB tend to get drafted based on projection. I could see a team like New Orleans, take a flier on him.

2. Patton has been shooting up the draft boards. the small school prospect showed he belonged with the big school boys. Would be a great 2nd rounder. I would certainly consider him in the second, though I would be curious which over WRs may be available here.

3. Williams is a great selection and I love this pick. Your bowling ball reference is great. Initially the person who reminded me of a bowling ball was Mister Cobble. Problem was, whereas Williams was knocking down pins, CObble was sitting in the gutter too many times for comfort.

3. I like the idea, however I wonder if Trufant would be a better pick in the 1st. Kareem had a great year last year, but i think he would make a better Saftey. As a safety he could use his tackling and pass defelction skills better and wouldn't have to worry about WRs zipping by him. Move Jackson to S, and plug Trufant in at CB2 opposite Joseph?

4. Thornton looks like a good ZBS potential OG. I am concenred with some flexibility, but lateral and downfield movement look good. Some of his lack of knee bend may be sloppiness and coaching. Playing with a mean streak would be good for this team. Only thing is, I would prefer a bigger OG. Can he put on some more weight? I am tried of the Texans OL getting pushed around because they are relatively light.

5. REALLY like Williams, but his soft hands may have sent him shooting up the boards. He is already the best run blocker for a TE/FB/HB in the class. Having the ability to pass catch now means he could be used as a TE or a FB. Versatility means he may go up to late 3rd/4th rounder now. But, shoot, if he is here, I'd take him.

5. Solid choice. I don't see him competing for a Saftey starting spot and looks like depth/ Special teams to me. Still. getting anything for a 5th rounder supplemental is fantastic. I'd take it!

5. We have agreed on the need for upgrading the punter. I need to read more about Locke, so I will defer to you here.

6. Reminds me of Casey in that he can catch and block well. Not an elite blocker nor elite pass catcher. Better blocker than Casey, though not quite as good of a pass catcher. I think the FB should be more of a blocker anyway. Combine him with Williams and watch out!

7. Afraid to say, I don't know enough about him. Will defer. I like the idea of a late round RB to keep the well full. Is Kubiak smart enough to use him?

7. I like the player, but I am not sure he is the right fit or the team. I envision an ILB who is able to play the run, but not be a liability in the passing game. I have not seen enough footage of him to tell me he can handle the passign game. Perhaps he can with coaching. That said, I'd think long and hard about him in the 7th, though his best position may Cush's.

beerlover
01-30-2013, 11:07 AM
Its tough to do a Senior only mock. Props to you for trying it!!!

1. Great selection, but as you said in your last line, "fast rising, pass rushing prospect to keep an eye on", he may get too high for Htown. QB, guy who protects the QB(LT) and guy who puts pressure on the QB tend to get drafted based on projection. I could see a team like New Orleans, take a flier on him.

2. Patton has been shooting up the draft boards. the small school prospect showed he belonged with the big school boys. Would be a great 2nd rounder. I would certainly consider him in the second, though I would be curious which over WRs may be available here.

3. Williams is a great selection and I love this pick. Your bowling ball reference is great. Initially the person who reminded me of a bowling ball was Mister Cobble. Problem was, whereas Williams was knocking down pins, CObble was sitting in the gutter too many times for comfort.

3. I like the idea, however I wonder if Trufant would be a better pick in the 1st. Kareem had a great year last year, but i think he would make a better Saftey. As a safety he could use his tackling and pass defelction skills better and wouldn't have to worry about WRs zipping by him. Move Jackson to S, and plug Trufant in at CB2 opposite Joseph?

4. Thornton looks like a good ZBS potential OG. I am concenred with some flexibility, but lateral and downfield movement look good. Some of his lack of knee bend may be sloppiness and coaching. Playing with a mean streak would be good for this team. Only thing is, I would prefer a bigger OG. Can he put on some more weight? I am tried of the Texans OL getting pushed around because they are relatively light.

5. REALLY like Williams, but his soft hands may have sent him shooting up the boards. He is already the best run blocker for a TE/FB/HB in the class. Having the ability to pass catch now means he could be used as a TE or a FB. Versatility means he may go up to late 3rd/4th rounder now. But, shoot, if he is here, I'd take him.

5. Solid choice. I don't see him competing for a Saftey starting spot and looks like depth/ Special teams to me. Still. getting anything for a 5th rounder supplemental is fantastic. I'd take it!

5. We have agreed on the need for upgrading the punter. I need to read more about Locke, so I will defer to you here.

6. Reminds me of Casey in that he can catch and block well. Not an elite blocker nor elite pass catcher. Better blocker than Casey, though not quite as good of a pass catcher. I think the FB should be more of a blocker anyway. Combine him with Williams and watch out!

7. Afraid to say, I don't know enough about him. Will defer. I like the idea of a late round RB to keep the well full. Is Kubiak smart enough to use him?

7. I like the player, but I am not sure he is the right fit or the team. I envision an ILB who is able to play the run, but not be a liability in the passing game. I have not seen enough footage of him to tell me he can handle the passign game. Perhaps he can with coaching. That said, I'd think long and hard about him in the 7th, though his best position may Cush's.

thanks

Dane Brugler, just blogged this on CBS listing Jones as one of his fast risers Jones showed a striking physique and carried that momentum over to the practice field. He showed excellent short-area burst off the edge, winning with strength and quickness at the point of attack. He is very strong from head to toe and does a nice job using his powerful arms and hands to rip past blockers. He wasn't overly productive as a pass rusher at UCLA, largely due to the fact that he was moved all over the Bruins' hybrd 3-4 scheme, but he did record 19 tackles for loss as a senior with his impressive blend of burst and power to dispose of blockers at the point of attack. It's tough to classify him at one position, but his scheme versatility will make him an attractive prospect for hybrid defenses like in New England. Jones is a name that will start to appear in first round mock drafts moving forward.

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In a talented safety group, Florida International's Jonathan Cyprien stood out during practice with his aggressive playing style and active demeanor. He practiced at full speed and left it all out on the field, not shying away from getting physical. Whether it was a contact drill or not, Cyprien is going to meet the ballcarrier with a pop, refusing to let up. He is a smart player and scouts were impressed with his football awareness near the line of scrimmage and in the deep half of the field. With Kenny Vaccaro (Texas) and D.J. Swearinger (South Carolina) deciding to skip Mobile, Cyprien looked like the top player at his position at this year's Senior Bowl.

mussop
01-30-2013, 07:53 PM
If we drafted Jones and I were wade, I would seriously consider trying him at ILB. Reminds me off a steelers old linebacker who's name slips my mind right now. It's going to drive me crazy now.

Levon Kirkland!

Corrosion
01-30-2013, 08:10 PM
Bray can be a franchise QB. IMHO

34 TD's 12 ints 3500 yds passing.

Strong arm, decent accuracy, although Bray isn't a runner, he navigates the pocket well.

Footwork and leadership issues (They are very overrated IMHO)

HWWNBM ..... :corrosion:

badboy
01-30-2013, 09:29 PM
thanks

Dane Brugler, just blogged this on CBS listing Jones as one of his fast risers

&My thoughts exactly. I think Datone could have been top 15 selection if he had been allowed to play one position. OLB would be his forte imo. Cyprian looks really good but is more of an in the box near LOS safety than in coverage. I'd rather have one that could do both, probably a converted corner.

beerlover
01-31-2013, 01:43 AM
My thoughts exactly. I think Datone could have been top 15 selection if he had been allowed to play one position. OLB would be his forte imo. Cyprian looks really good but is more of an in the box near LOS safety than in coverage. I'd rather have one that could do both, probably a converted corner.

lest not get too carried away with Datone, before the Senior Bowl he was listed by most sites (yeah I know) around in time for Texans 2nd rd. pick so he took quite the leap based off 4 days of practice & what amounted to one scrimmage.

I can't really decide which I covet more a safety or cb? If Texans lose Quin & McCain they are going to address both, hence the picks, early to late middle. We will know better which position to target after free agency. In regards to Cyprian I feel he can do both. cover & knock people out. if the bowling ball has left the building then I'm going C-P-O with B-W :kitten:

badboy
01-31-2013, 12:11 PM
lest not get too carried away with Datone, before the Senior Bowl he was listed by most sites (yeah I know) around in time for Texans 2nd rd. pick so he took quite the leap based off 4 days of practice & what amounted to one scrimmage.

I can't really decide which I covet more a safety or cb? If Texans lose Quin & McCain they are going to address both, hence the picks, early to late middle. We will know better which position to target after free agency. In regards to Cyprian I feel he can do both. cover & knock people out. if the bowling ball has left the building then I'm going C-P-O with B-W :kitten:DBs: Darius Slay a corner who would play well but be very good safety in 3rd and Terry Hawthorne a cover type CB who could play safety in 5th. He probably will move up after combine.

thunderkyss
01-31-2013, 02:52 PM
1st. Rd. Datone Jones, DE/OLB, 6'4" 280, UCLA http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0529/com_120529_gemmell_uclapostspring_120530.jpg
Jones has frame to play 5 tech DE to bookend Watt. Powerful, fluid, strong hands really had a big Senior Bowl week. Not as dominant as Ezekial Ansah but solid nevertheless more in the mold of last years 21st overall pick Chandler Jones. Has short area quickness, ability to stack & shed blockers with regularity. Impressive interview & rocked up @ weigh-in with proverbial bubble butt. Very intriguing, fast rising, pass rushing prospect to keep an eye on.


eh.....

Looks like an awesome player. But is that what we really need?


If he's a 5 tech, he'll be replacing Watt.... or subing for Watt, he won't really be a "bookend" opposite Watt. What we need is a dynamic 3 tech, which is what Antonio plays.

Unless you plan on using this big guy as a big WOLB (like Mario) he'll disappear inside, unless he's like Antonio & just another breed all together.

beerlover
02-01-2013, 10:25 AM
eh.....

Looks like an awesome player. But is that what we really need?


If he's a 5 tech, he'll be replacing Watt.... or subing for Watt, he won't really be a "bookend" opposite Watt. What we need is a dynamic 3 tech, which is what Antonio plays.

Unless you plan on using this big guy as a big WOLB (like Mario) he'll disappear inside, unless he's like Antonio & just another breed all together.

interchangeable parts, versatility per position are intangible assets that increase a players value to a team.Datone Jones is one of the top Defensive Linemen available in this year’s draft. He possesses an NFL ready frame, with excellent playing strength and bulk. He can play multiple positions along the defensive line and exhibits power pass rush moves from all of them. He has good quickness for his size, but his strength is his best tool. He plays with good leverage and is able to simply out muscle and overpower linemen.

At the Senior Bowl he showed much more violent hands which led to him being the most dominate defender in Mobile. Jones is still a bit raw as a pass rusher and will get better as he develops more pass rush moves. If needed he could add 10-15 pounds and move inside to 3-Tech where I believe he could develop into a stud as a pass rushing defensive tackle. Jones is a high-character individual, overcoming tough surroundings and circumstances to become a top prospect.

He is a focused and driven person, understanding schemes and defensive philosophies very well. As a prospect Jones’ combination of power, speed and pass rush potential will make him a top five defensive end prospect for the 2013 draft.

beerlover
02-28-2013, 12:01 PM
Still in evaluation process coming off Combine performances but can update "Post Senior Bowl" dated mock with new info, hope some of you find insightful & how to tweak the process but tape still factors heavily for me.

1st. Rd. Datone Jones, DE/OLB, 6'4" 280, UCLA http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0529/com_120529_gemmell_uclapostspring_120530.jpg
Ranked 19th overall prospect & #4 DE in the draft by Rang. 6-4 283 lbs, 32 3/4" arm length & 10" hands. He ran impressive 4.80 forty (Watt ran 4.84). repped out 29 on bench (Watt 34). He's done nothing to change my mind & still my bpa if on the board #27.

2nd Rd. Quinton Patton, WR, 6'0" 202, Louisiana Tech
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Ranked 41st overall prospect & #6th WR by Rang. 6-0 204, also 32 3/4" arms, 9 3/8" hands, only 8 reps. He ran his forty in 4.53, it's a deep class & still feel he could be available when Texans pick in the 2nd rd.

3rd. Rd. Brandon Williams, NT, 6'2" 341, Missouri Southern
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/123/273/hi-res-6961464_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=432&q=75
Ranked 74th overall prospect & #8 in his DT class by Rang. Measured only -1 & 335 lbs. Average hand size 9 3/4" did 36 reps displaying strength as expected arm length decent 32 5/8". don't really care about his forty 5.3 more interested in his 10 yard split (unknown). Seems like early to mid 3rd rd prospect to me, very hard to be certain where he lands or how Texan Big Board ranks his skill set for Wade. Seems like a slightly bigger/stronger version of Earl Mitchell who was also a 3rd pick.

3rd. Rd. (compensatory pick for Mario): BW Webb, CB, 5'10" 183, William & Mary
http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/17/47/11/4092507/3/628x471.jpg
Ranked 93rd overall prospect & #13 CB in class. Was impressive once again to me running his forty 4.51, 5-10 & 184 lbs. What did jump out on tape showed itself with over 40" vertical & 11ft. Broad. Explosive & decisive in drills. Solid 3rd rd. pick.

4th rd. Hugh Thornton, OG, 6'3" 313, Illinois

Added 7 lbs to 320 measured 6-3, ran decent 5.11 had really plus arm length 34 1/8". Solid core strength 27 reps good hand size 10" shuttle 4.63 (Brooks 4.52). Ranked 176th overall & #8th best OG prospect according to Rang & 5th rd. grade, but still feel off the board by time Texans would select so reason why he is in the 4th. Like his toughness & wrestling background.

5th Rd. Michael Williams, TE, 6'5" 272, Alabama
Have no idea why he wasn't invited to the combine? Ranked 228th overall prospect & 13th TE but to me he is a top 5 blocking TE with ability to start immediately. Strongly disagree with his 6th-7th rd. projection but that is good news for fans of his & Texans.

5th. Rd. (compensatory pick for Mike Brisiel) Jonathan Cyprien, S, 6'0 210 Florida International http://prod.static.dolphins.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/MIA/article-thumbnails/news/2013/01-January/130121_SeniorBowl.jpg
Draft stock sky rocketed too high for my taste, 42nd overall? #2 SS prospect in the draft? 4.56 forty, 38.5 vert @ 6-0 217 lbs pretty impressive. However I will have to adjust & change to John Boyett, Oregon 5-10 204 ran 4.4 forty with 27 reps.

5th. Rd. (compensatory pick for Joel Dresseen) Jeff Locke, P, 6'0" 208 UCLA
Ranked 296th & 4th Punter in the draft by Rang.

6th. Rd. Kyle Juszczyk, FB, 6'1" 250
Ranked 163rd overall & #2 FB in the draft according to Rang.

7th. Rd. Robbie Rouse, RB 5'7" 190, Fresno State
RB rankings are trash. There is so much value, the perception is why even bother spending a pick on one? 373rd rated prospect & 27th on the board. Yet @ the combine he ranked 11th in the short shuttle 4.25, tied for 6th in 60 yard shuttle 11.56, tied for 12th in 3 cone 6.97, 12th vert 34". For comparable Alfred Morris vert last year was 35.5" 3 cone 7.01, 4.19 short shuttle & 11.86 60 yard shuttle.

7th. Rd. (compensatory pick for Jason Allen) Vince Williams, ILB, 6'1" 250, Florida State
Ranked 249th & 10th overall ILB prospect by Rang. Good value & still solid selection but have upgraded need/player coming in next version.

thunderkyss
02-28-2013, 12:23 PM
Still in evaluation process coming off Combine performances but can update "Post Senior Bowl" dated mock with new info, hope some of you find insightful & how to tweak the process but tape still factors heavily for me.


I just want to say I could care less about the process. I don't ever want to do a mock draft, as I have no interest in the college game. I've tried, but just can not generate the interest, until this time of the year.

I look through these mocks to learn the players, to get a feel for what we "fans" think about our team, and it helps me make up my mind on how the Texans did in the draft.

So, keep up the good work.


1st. Rd. Datone Jones, DE/OLB, 6'4" 280, UCLA http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0529/com_120529_gemmell_uclapostspring_120530.jpg
Ranked 19th overall prospect & #4 DE in the draft by Rang. 6-4 283 lbs, 32 3/4" arm length & 10" hands. He ran impressive 4.80 forty (Watt ran 4.84). repped out 29 on bench (Watt 34). He's done nothing to change my mind & still my bpa if on the board #27.


Would you play this guy as the UT in a 4-3?

beerlover
02-28-2013, 02:02 PM
I just want to say I could care less about the process. I don't ever want to do a mock draft, as I have no interest in the college game. I've tried, but just can not generate the interest, until this time of the year.

I look through these mocks to learn the players, to get a feel for what we "fans" think about our team, and it helps me make up my mind on how the Texans did in the draft.

So, keep up the good work.



Would you play this guy as the UT in a 4-3?

He has the frame to easily add 15-20 lbs. without losing explosiveness while adding strength good lower bubble to hold leverage with bigger players. So yes.

Doppelganger
02-28-2013, 04:53 PM
Still in evaluation process coming off Combine performances but can update "Post Senior Bowl" dated mock with new info, hope some of you find insightful & how to tweak the process but tape still factors heavily for me.

1st. Rd. Datone Jones, DE/OLB, 6'4" 280, UCLA http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0529/com_120529_gemmell_uclapostspring_120530.jpg
Ranked 19th overall prospect & #4 DE in the draft by Rang. 6-4 283 lbs, 32 3/4" arm length & 10" hands. He ran impressive 4.80 forty (Watt ran 4.84). repped out 29 on bench (Watt 34). He's done nothing to change my mind & still my bpa if on the board #27.

2nd Rd. Quinton Patton, WR, 6'0" 202, Louisiana Tech
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Ranked 41st overall prospect & #6th WR by Rang. 6-0 204, also 32 3/4" arms, 9 3/8" hands, only 8 reps. He ran his forty in 4.53, it's a deep class & still feel he could be available when Texans pick in the 2nd rd.

3rd. Rd. Brandon Williams, NT, 6'2" 341, Missouri Southern
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/123/273/hi-res-6961464_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=432&q=75
Ranked 74th overall prospect & #8 in his DT class by Rang. Measured only -1 & 335 lbs. Average hand size 9 3/4" did 36 reps displaying strength as expected arm length decent 32 5/8". don't really care about his forty 5.3 more interested in his 10 yard split (unknown). Seems like early to mid 3rd rd prospect to me, very hard to be certain where he lands or how Texan Big Board ranks his skill set for Wade. Seems like a slightly bigger/stronger version of Earl Mitchell who was also a 3rd pick.

3rd. Rd. (compensatory pick for Mario): BW Webb, CB, 5'10" 183, William & Mary
http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/17/47/11/4092507/3/628x471.jpg
Ranked 93rd overall prospect & #13 CB in class. Was impressive once again to me running his forty 4.51, 5-10 & 184 lbs. What did jump out on tape showed itself with over 40" vertical & 11ft. Broad. Explosive & decisive in drills. Solid 3rd rd. pick.

4th rd. Hugh Thornton, OG, 6'3" 313, Illinois

Added 7 lbs to 320 measured 6-3, ran decent 5.11 had really plus arm length 34 1/8". Solid core strength 27 reps good hand size 10" shuttle 4.63 (Brooks 4.52). Ranked 176th overall & #8th best OG prospect according to Rang & 5th rd. grade, but still feel off the board by time Texans would select so reason why he is in the 4th. Like his toughness & wrestling background.

5th Rd. Michael Williams, TE, 6'5" 272, Alabama
Have no idea why he wasn't invited to the combine? Ranked 228th overall prospect & 13th TE but to me he is a top 5 blocking TE with ability to start immediately. Strongly disagree with his 6th-7th rd. projection but that is good news for fans of his & Texans.

5th. Rd. (compensatory pick for Mike Brisiel) Jonathan Cyprien, S, 6'0 210 Florida International http://prod.static.dolphins.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/MIA/article-thumbnails/news/2013/01-January/130121_SeniorBowl.jpg
Draft stock sky rocketed too high for my taste, 42nd overall? #2 SS prospect in the draft? 4.56 forty, 38.5 vert @ 6-0 217 lbs pretty impressive. However I will have to adjust & change to John Boyett, Oregon 5-10 204 ran 4.4 forty with 27 reps.

5th. Rd. (compensatory pick for Joel Dresseen) Jeff Locke, P, 6'0" 208 UCLA
Ranked 296th & 4th Punter in the draft by Rang.

6th. Rd. Kyle Juszczyk, FB, 6'1" 250
Ranked 163rd overall & #2 FB in the draft according to Rang.

7th. Rd. Robbie Rouse, RB 5'7" 190, Fresno State
RB rankings are trash. There is so much value, the perception is why even bother spending a pick on one? 373rd rated prospect & 27th on the board. Yet @ the combine he ranked 11th in the short shuttle 4.25, tied for 6th in 60 yard shuttle 11.56, tied for 12th in 3 cone 6.97, 12th vert 34". For comparable Alfred Morris vert last year was 35.5" 3 cone 7.01, 4.19 short shuttle & 11.86 60 yard shuttle.

7th. Rd. (compensatory pick for Jason Allen) Vince Williams, ILB, 6'1" 250, Florida State
Ranked 249th & 10th overall ILB prospect by Rang. Good value & still solid selection but have upgraded need/player coming in next version.

Nice job overall! I am working on my post combine mock and wanted to offer some feedback.

1. I actually thought his 40 time was a bit slower than expected. Watt who is almost 2 inches taller and almost 15 lbs heavier ran it only 0.04 second slower. That said, 40 times for DL aren't what is important to me, I am more interested in bench(for strength) and cone drills, and 10 yard splits for agility, athleticism. I need to look up his times. However, the eyeball test tells me that he is a potential 2 DL positional player. For me that is what is important considering the lack of help on the rest of the UCLA DL.

2. The WRs are a mystery to me. I literally have no idea who will be available at the 1st round pick let alone the second. I maintain that there are probably 10 good wrs who would help this team in the short and longterm. Patton is one of those guys and I would be happy with him here.

3. Ah!!! My boy BW! Yes. I agree he is a stronger, bigger, version of Earl Mitchell. To me, thats a great thing. Earl is good for what he is, but he gets pushed around a bit too much. A bigger version would allow Wade more room for error. I also think he mid 2nd-mid 3rd. Big reasonably athletic 330lbs NTs don't grow on trees and tend to get selected early on day 2.

3. VERY explosive, small school prospect. I hate to say sleeper because everyone knows who he is. Good speed, size, and able to play man. Not sure about zone, but he looks like a good fit for man.

4. Agree he should be off the board by the fourth. Good prospect, nice wrestling background. My fear is that he is only a OG prospect. Not nimble enough to play C, not strong enough to play OT. I would prefer a more versatile OL.

5. I keep coming back to him too. I have flirted with numerous other TEs, but I keep coming back to big Mike. Superior blocking means immediate starter and ability to catch means defenses have to be honest. I cant tell you how much time I spent trying to find combine numbers and reports on him only to realize he wasn't invited!!!

5. John Boyett: an Oregon product. Athletic, speedy. Don't know much about him, so will defer to you here.

5. Locke looked good...unfortunately too good at the combine and senior bowl. I could see him as a 4th rounder in the draft. Much as I like him, I can't quite spend a 4th on him. If he is here in the fifth, I'd probably pull a muscle running up to the podium!

6. Can't argue too much with Kyle Juszczyk. I prefer Boren only because I think he could be acquired later and has potential as a LB as well.

7. Pass. He is 5'6, 190lbs and he runs a 4.8 40. At his size, he should be somewhere in the 4.4 range, not the 4.8 range. He was running the same speed as people who outweighed him by 30+lbs. Small and slow is not a good combination.

7. LOVE it!. I have him as a 6th round pick in the mock I am working on. I agree he is a great fit as the #2 ILB in the Wade 3-4 and would provide excellent depth. He is a 2 down LB at best and quite frankly a good 2 down LB next to Cush is exactly what the team needs.

A well thought out, well scouted, and very good mock. Then again, BL, I would expect nothing less from you!

:wesmantexanfan:

beerlover
02-28-2013, 05:26 PM
Nice job overall! I am working on my post combine mock and wanted to offer some feedback.

1. I actually thought his 40 time was a bit slower than expected. Watt who is almost 2 inches taller and almost 15 lbs heavier ran it only 0.04 second slower. That said, 40 times for DL aren't what is important to me, I am more interested in bench(for strength) and cone drills, and 10 yard splits for agility, athleticism. I need to look up his times. However, the eyeball test tells me that he is a potential 2 DL positional player. For me that is what is important considering the lack of help on the rest of the UCLA DL.

2. The WRs are a mystery to me. I literally have no idea who will be available at the 1st round pick let alone the second. I maintain that there are probably 10 good wrs who would help this team in the short and longterm. Patton is one of those guys and I would be happy with him here.

3. Ah!!! My boy BW! Yes. I agree he is a stronger, bigger, version of Earl Mitchell. To me, thats a great thing. Earl is good for what he is, but he gets pushed around a bit too much. A bigger version would allow Wade more room for error. I also think he mid 2nd-mid 3rd. Big reasonably athletic 330lbs NTs don't grow on trees and tend to get selected early on day 2.

3. VERY explosive, small school prospect. I hate to say sleeper because everyone knows who he is. Good speed, size, and able to play man. Not sure about zone, but he looks like a good fit for man.

4. Agree he should be off the board by the fourth. Good prospect, nice wrestling background. My fear is that he is only a OG prospect. Not nimble enough to play C, not strong enough to play OT. I would prefer a more versatile OL.

5. I keep coming back to him too. I have flirted with numerous other TEs, but I keep coming back to big Mike. Superior blocking means immediate starter and ability to catch means defenses have to be honest. I cant tell you how much time I spent trying to find combine numbers and reports on him only to realize he wasn't invited!!!

5. John Boyett: an Oregon product. Athletic, speedy. Don't know much about him, so will defer to you here.

5. Locke looked good...unfortunately too good at the combine and senior bowl. I could see him as a 4th rounder in the draft. Much as I like him, I can't quite spend a 4th on him. If he is here in the fifth, I'd probably pull a muscle running up to the podium!

6. Can't argue too much with Kyle Juszczyk. I prefer Boren only because I think he could be acquired later and has potential as a LB as well.

7. Pass. He is 5'6, 190lbs and he runs a 4.8 40. At his size, he should be somewhere in the 4.4 range, not the 4.8 range. He was running the same speed as people who outweighed him by 30+lbs. Small and slow is not a good combination.

7. LOVE it!. I have him as a 6th round pick in the mock I am working on. I agree he is a great fit as the #2 ILB in the Wade 3-4 and would provide excellent depth. He is a 2 down LB at best and quite frankly a good 2 down LB next to Cush is exactly what the team needs.

A well thought out, well scouted, and very good mock. Then again, BL, I would expect nothing less from you!

:wesmantexanfan:

Thank you.

This was just an overview of prospect post senior bowl incorporating aspects from Combine. My actual Post Combine Mock will change. More accurate (I hope relative to current trends & grades).

mussop
02-28-2013, 09:03 PM
1st. Rd. Datone Jones, DE/OLB, 6'4" 280, UCLA http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0529/com_120529_gemmell_uclapostspring_120530.jpg

No way we draft a 280lb DE in the first round. He is to small to be a full time starter at NT. There are better players at his position that fit our defense better.

2nd Rd. Quinton Patton, WR, 6'0" 202, Louisiana Tech
http://theadvocate.com/csp/mediapool/sites/dt.common.streams.StreamServer.cls?STREAMOID=NPVgw S2ILYJyrneg1tVP88$daE2N3K4ZzOUsqbU5sYvCcz2N1w0JdEd YH8bhmM7uWCsjLu883Ygn4B49Lvm9bPe2QeMKQdVeZmXF$9l$4 uCZ8QDXhaHEp3rvzXRJFdy0KqPHLoMevcTLo3h8xh70Y6N_U_C ryOsw6FTOdKL_jpQ-&CONTENTTYPE=image/jpeg

Would not complain at all if we got him at the end of the second round.

3rd. Rd. Brandon Williams, NT, 6'2" 341, Missouri Southern
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/123/273/hi-res-6961464_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=432&q=75

No way he last this long. Would love it if he did.

3rd. Rd. (compensatory pick for Mario): BW Webb, CB, 5'10" 183, William & Mary
http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/17/47/11/4092507/3/628x471.jpg

DB's are my kryptonite. Just so hard to scout.


4th rd. Hugh Thornton, OG, 6'3" 313, Illinois


Could do worse.

5th Rd. Michael Williams, TE, 6'5" 272, Alabama

Love this pick. I also want us to draft him around here.

5th. Rd. (compensatory pick for Mike Brisiel)
John Boyett, Oregon 5-10 204 ran 4.4 forty with 27 reps.

need to check him out.

5th. Rd. (compensatory pick for Joel Dresseen) Jeff Locke, P, 6'0" 208 UCLA
Ranked 296th & 4th Punter in the draft by Rang.

If you want a P why not draft the best one?

6th. Rd. Kyle Juszczyk, FB, 6'1" 250

Good player but does he bring anything to the table that Klutz doesn't?

7th. Rd. Robbie Rouse, RB 5'7" 190, Fresno State
RB rankings are trash.

Rather keep Forsett

7th. Rd. (compensatory pick for Jason Allen) Vince Williams, ILB, 6'1" 250, Florida State

I love this pick. I want us to draft him. I don't care that he wasn't invited to the combine, I would draft him as early as the 5th.

beerlover
02-28-2013, 09:41 PM
This mock is over 4 weeks old. I just wanted to give you guys an example of how fluid the process is, how & why it changes even why team needs stay, more or less constant. I will post the real McCoy after free agency when specific needs can be addressed that impact draft priorities.