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Norg
01-21-2013, 10:50 PM
they say it take 4 years 2 judge a draft so well its been 4 years so what do yall think ..????




1/15
Brian Cushing
Linebacker USC

2/46
Connor Barwin
Defensive end Cincinnati

3/77
Antoine Caldwell
Center Alabama

4/112
Glover Quin
Cornerback New Mexico

4/122 (from Minnesota)
Anthony Hill
Tight end North Carolina State

5/152
James Casey
Tight end Rice

6/188
Brice McCain
Cornerback Utah

7/223

Troy Nolan
Safety Arizona State

Norg
01-21-2013, 10:54 PM
1/15
Brian Cushing-Great Pick
Linebacker USC

2/46
Connor Barwin-BUST PICK
Defensive end Cincinnati

3/77
Antoine Caldwell-Bust Pick
Center Alabama

4/112
Glover Quin
Cornerback New Mexico-Great Pick

4/122 (from Minnesota)
Anthony Hill-BUST PICK
Tight end North Carolina State

5/152
James Casey-Has a TE a BUST PICK
Tight end Rice

6/188-GREAT PICK
Brice McCain
Cornerback Utah

7/223

Troy Nolan-Good PICK
Safety Arizona State

man for a 6th a 7 rounder we found some good talent thats just shows every draft pick is precious 4 outta 4 tho thats not that good of a draft

TheDream34
01-21-2013, 11:00 PM
1/15
Brian Cushing-Great Pick
Linebacker USC

2/46
Connor Barwin-BUST PICK
Defensive end Cincinnati

3/77
Antoine Caldwell-Bust Pick
Center Alabama

4/112
Glover Quin
Cornerback New Mexico-Great Pick

4/122 (from Minnesota)
Anthony Hill-BUST PICK
Tight end North Carolina State

5/152
James Casey-Has a TE a BUST PICK
Tight end Rice

6/188-GREAT PICK
Brice McCain
Cornerback Utah

7/223

Troy Nolan-Good PICK
Safety Arizona State

man for a 6th a 7 rounder we found some good talent thats just shows every draft pick is precious 4 outta 4 tho thats not that good of a draft

I've been extremely critical and hard on Barwin, but to call him a bust as a second round pick is a bit too harsh I think.

tru80texan
01-21-2013, 11:04 PM
1/15
Brian Cushing-Great Pick
Linebacker USC

2/46
Connor Barwin-BUST PICK
Defensive end Cincinnati

3/77
Antoine Caldwell-Bust Pick
Center Alabama

4/112
Glover Quin
Cornerback New Mexico-Great Pick

4/122 (from Minnesota)
Anthony Hill-BUST PICK
Tight end North Carolina State

5/152
James Casey-Has a TE a BUST PICK
Tight end Rice

6/188-GREAT PICK
Brice McCain
Cornerback Utah

7/223

Troy Nolan-Good PICK
Safety Arizona State

man for a 6th a 7 rounder we found some good talent thats just shows every draft pick is precious 4 outta 4 tho thats not that good of a draft

I agree w/ most, BUT I don't think I would call McCain a "great" pick. He was a key contributor for being a late round pick, but he struggled in 2010 had a good year in 2011 & was inconsistent this season before being injured. He definetly was not playing as well as he did in 2011. Not only that there is a chance he might not even return next season.

Also, you do realize the Texans have cut Nolan twice & the Dolphins cut him once all in 1 season. He remained unemployed after the Texans cut him last so I'm not quite sure he would qualify as a "good" pick either.

After all that you are down to Quin, Barwin, & Cushing. It's a possibility we could lose Barwin, so once again there is another draft class that didn't do as much as expected for the Texans IMO.

Ryan
01-21-2013, 11:12 PM
So it's 4 years now? Could have sworn we did this last year.

wolf123
01-21-2013, 11:13 PM
they say it take 4 years 2 judge a draft so well its been 4 years so what do yall think ..????




1/15
Brian Cushing-Great Pick
Linebacker USC

2/46
Connor Barwin-Good Pick
Defensive end Cincinnati

3/77
Antoine Caldwell-Bust
Center Alabama

4/112
Glover Quin-Great Pick
Cornerback New Mexico

4/122 (from Minnesota)
Anthony Hill-Bust
Tight end North Carolina State

5/152
James Casey-Good Pick
Tight end Rice

6/188
Brice McCain-Good Pick
Cornerback Utah

7/223

Troy Nolan-Solid
Safety Arizona State

A lot of good picks late and a stud in the 1st.

tru80texan
01-21-2013, 11:23 PM
A lot of good picks late and a stud in the 1st.

I'm just wondering how you grade Nolan out as "solid" despite being cut twice by the Texans & Dolphins & claim Caldwell is bust despite still being employed. Dont get me wrong, I like Nolan & thought he had more to offer then Keo, but obviously the Texans & Dolphins disagreed as he his looking for work as we speak. Just wondering...

JCTexan
01-21-2013, 11:24 PM
Nolan was still with the team after four years as a seventh round pick. I would say that was at least a "good" pick.

Mccain was the #3 CB as a sixth round pick. I don't really expect that much from a sixth rounder, so I'm good with saying that's a "great" pick.

I would say James Casey (as a fifth rounder) was a "good" pick. I think he would be a better TE than he would be a FB, but a starting player for a 5th rounder should go into the "good" category.

Quin, without a doubt in my mind, would be considered a "great" pick. Same with Cushing.

Caldwell is a bust. He didn't impress in his first year starting.

I would say Barwin was an "Ok" pick. Not good, but I wouldn't constitute him as a bad or bust pick either.

JCTexan
01-21-2013, 11:26 PM
I'm just wondering how you grade Nolan out as "solid" despite being cut twice by the Texans & Dolphins & claim Caldwell is bust despite still being employed. Dont get me wrong, I like Nolan & thought he had more to offer then Keo, but obviously the Texans & Dolphins disagreed as he his looking for work as we speak. Just wondering...

One was a seventh round pick, the other a 3rd rounder. A third round guard is expected to start down the line. A seventh rounder still being around after three seasons? Has to constitute as a solid pick in the round he was selected.

tru80texan
01-21-2013, 11:35 PM
One was a seventh round pick, the other a 3rd rounder. A third round guard is expected to start down the line. A seventh rounder still being around after three seasons? Has to constitute as a solid pick in the round he was selected.

Fair enough. Don't quite agree, but I can see some of the logic. I look at the fact that Nolan only lasted 3 yrs, considering he was cut by the Texans in the preseason & is unemployed as we speak. Nolan never pushed to be a starter, but did have some good moments. Caldwell hasn't panned out for a 3rd rounder as far as a starter, but was a decent backup & is still employed is how I kinda look at it.

JCTexan
01-21-2013, 11:51 PM
Fair enough. Don't quite agree, but I can see some of the logic. I look at the fact that Nolan only lasted 3 yrs, considering he was cut by the Texans in the preseason & is unemployed as we speak. Nolan never pushed to be a starter, but did have some good moments. Caldwell hasn't panned out for a 3rd rounder as far as a starter, but was a decent backup & is still employed is how I kinda look at it.

Being around for three years, to me, is a solid 7th round pick. No complaints with that. A 3rd round OG is expected to start, or at least be an acceptable backup. Caldwell wasn't good this year, and he gives me no reason to not label that pick as a "bust" right now. It's simply the difference in the expectation of a 3rd rounder to a 7th, to me.

amazing80
01-22-2013, 07:04 AM
1/15
Brian Cushing - Great pick, 2 time DROY :cowboy1:
Linebacker USC

2/46
Connor Barwin - Average pick, he is ok, not great but not a bust.
Defensive end Cincinnati

3/77
Antoine Caldwell - Slightly below average, got play time and is just below average quality when starting. Could be worse.
Center Alabama

4/112
Glover Quin - Good pick, not great, but very good. He is great at what he is best at, but still struggles deep, but good for this draft position.
Cornerback New Mexico

4/122 (from Minnesota)
Anthony Hill - Bad pick, not really a bust in the 4th round, but not good at all.
Tight end North Carolina State

5/152
James Casey - Very good pick, based on round and value he added to the team the last few seasons, he was a good pick. I expect him to get a contract we don't match this off-season.
Tight end Rice

6/188
Brice McCain - Great pick based on draft selection. If we leave him in the slot vs smaller wide outs he is a great corner, when we start putting him on bigger wide outs he gets eaten alive.
Cornerback Utah

7/223

Troy Nolan - Average, just because he played for us doesn't make him good, it means we had 0 good safeties.
Safety Arizona State

AJ-80
01-22-2013, 08:59 AM
How on earth is James Casey a bust?? Barwin isn't a bust either, he had a down year, but that doesn't make him a bust

Lurvinator11
01-22-2013, 02:46 PM
How on earth is James Casey a bust?? Barwin isn't a bust either, he had a down year, but that doesn't make him a bust

You obviously have never seen Norg.

He is an interesting guy to say the least.

TheIronDuke
01-22-2013, 02:48 PM
You obviously have never seen Norg.

He is an interesting guy to say the least.

He doesn't know the difference between the words "has" and "as" so if you're expecting deep thoughts from Norg you're in the wrong place.

Hervoyel
01-22-2013, 02:55 PM
I've been extremely critical and hard on Barwin, but to call him a bust as a second round pick is a bit too harsh I think.


I agree. If we keep him and he produces like he did in 2011 he's a great pick, no doubt about it. Now if he comes out in 2013 and plays like he did this year again then I think a case could be made for him not being a good pick.

Lurvinator11
01-22-2013, 02:57 PM
He doesn't know the difference between the words "has" and "as" so if you're expecting deep thoughts from Norg you're in the wrong place.

Haha. I'm just informing the newer users on what we've got with Norg.

b0ng
01-22-2013, 03:19 PM
I'd say 2009 was a pretty good year for the Texans draft. 2010 was also a pretty decent draft too:

1/20 Kareem Jackson Cornerback Alabama - Certainly better than what I thought 2 years ago.
2/58 (from New England) Ben Tate Running back Auburn - Pretty good runner, certainly would want more consistency but he will be in the NFL for more years.
3/81 Earl Mitchell Defensive tackle Arizona - Eh, rotational starter at best but not a terrible pick.
4/102 (from Kansas City) Darryl Sharpton Linebacker Miami (FL) - Not that great of a pick, although I liken this not being good more to injuries than lack of skill.
4/118 Garrett Graham Tight end Wisconsin - Really like this pick
5/144 (from Kansas City) Sherrick McManis Cornerback Northwestern - Not a good pick for the Texans but is still in the league.
6/187 Shelley Smith Offensive guard Colorado State - Not a good pick.
6/197 (from San Diego) Trindon Holliday Wide receiver LSU - Not good for us, but does have a spot in the NFL.
7/227 Dorin Dickerson Tight end Pittsburgh - Don't think he's in the league anymore but not that great.

It falls off near the end but I can't really complain about any of the picks until we get to McMannis in the 5th round.

TheIronDuke
01-22-2013, 03:39 PM
Dickerson played with Buffalo this year. Didn't get much PT but he's still in the league. Was a FB hybrid when used this season.

76Texan
01-22-2013, 03:41 PM
Dickerson played with Buffalo this year. Didn't get much PT but he's still in the league. Was a FB hybrid when used this season.

9 catches for the year.

How many did Posey, Jean, and Martin had?

Shelley Smith started 6 games for the Rams.

b0ng
01-22-2013, 03:47 PM
Interesting. I figured both of those guys wouldn't have done anything in the NFL, but you never know.

So lets compare some other teams 2009 drafts, and see where we stack up. You guys feel free to quote and analyze, I'm only pasting a few teams (from the top and bottom)

2009 - New England Patriots
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 34 Pat Chung DB Oregon
2 40 Ron Brace DT Boston College
2 41 Darius Butler DB Connecticut
2 58 Sebastian Vollmer T Houston
3 83 Brandon Tate WR North Carolina
3 97 Tyrone McKenzie OLB South Florida
4 123 Rich Ohrnberger G Penn State
5 170 George Bussey T Louisville
6 198 Jake Ingram C Hawaii
6 199 Stryker Sulak DE Missouri
6 207 Myron Pryor DT Kentucky
7 232 Julian Edelman WR Kent State
7 234 Darryl Richard DT Georgia Tech

2009 - Baltimore Ravens
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 23 Michael Oher T Mississippi
2 57 Paul Kruger DE Utah
3 88 Lardarius Webb DB Nicholls State
5 137 Jason Phillips ILB Texas Christian
5 149 Davon Drew TE East Carolina
6 185 Cedric Peerman RB Virginia

2009 - San Francisco 49ers
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 146 Scott McKillop LB Pittsburgh
5 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 219 Curtis Taylor DB Louisiana State
7 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT Louisiana State

2009 - Arizona Cardinals
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 31 Beanie Wells RB Ohio State
2 63 Cody Brown DE Connecticut
3 95 Rashad Johnson DB Alabama
4 131 Greg Toler DB St. Paul's (VA)
5 167 Herman Johnson G Louisiana State
6 204 Will Davis LB Illinois
7 240 LaRod Stephens-Howling RB Pittsburgh
7 254 Trevor Canfield G Cincinnati

2009 - Kansas City Chiefs
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 3 Tyson Jackson DE Louisiana State
3 67 Alex Magee DT Purdue
4 102 Donald Washington DB Ohio State
5 139 Colin Brown T Missouri
6 175 Quinten Lawrence WR McNeese State
7 212 Javarris Williams RB Tennessee State
7 237 Jake O'Connell TE Miami (Ohio)
7 256 Ryan Succop K South Carolina

2009 - Jacksonville Jaguars
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 8 Eugene Monroe T Virginia
2 39 Eben Britton T Arizona
3 72 Terrance Knighton DT Temple
3 73 Derek Cox DB William & Mary
4 107 Mike Thomas WR Arizona
5 144 Jarett Dillard WR Rice
6 180 Zach Miller TE Nebraska-Omaha
7 250 Rashad Jennings RB Liberty
7 253 Tiquan Underwood WR Rutgers

There you go.

JCTexan
01-22-2013, 04:05 PM
9 catches for the year.

How many did Posey, Jean, and Martin had?

Shelley Smith started 6 games for the Rams.

Posey had six catches for 87 yards, Jean had 6 catches for 151 yards & Martin had ten catches for 85 yards. Which begs the question, is cutting Walter (41 catches for 518 yards) really a good idea when none of the other three produced this year?

dream_team
01-22-2013, 05:38 PM
I'm using a scale of 1-5 for my rankings. 1=Bust, 5=Homerun.

Brian Cushing (5) - Based on who was available, we couldn't have done any better. You can argue Clay Matthews is a better linebacker, but with the type of defense we were running back then, Cushing is the better fit.

Connor Barwin (4) - In the 2nd round, you hope for a solid starter, and that's what we got with Barwin. People are down on him because he shows so much potential to be a star in this league, but he's not living up to that. He is, though, a very solid linebacker.

Antoine Caldwell (3) - Solid backup, and that's about it. Was given a chance to start, but didn't take advantage.

Glover Quin (5) - Fourth round picks don't typically start... not to mention start for a good defense and play well. He's one of the best cover safeties in the league and an excellent tackler. I think he should be a pro-bowler, but he doesn't get the sexy INT stats to make it.

Anthony Hill (2) - I want to label him a bust, but he's actually still on an NFL roster (Colts).

James Casey (4) - Even though I think he'd be a better TE than FB, a solid starter in the 5th round is a bonus!

Brice McCain (3) - After this past season, I dropped him to 3. I have faith he can get back to his 2011 season, if we re-sign him.

Troy Nolan (2) - A seventh rounder, and the fact that he contributed at all, is a plus. Like what many others think, why is Keo on our team and this guy isn't on a team?

A final score of 3.5, which makes it an above average draft.

dalemurphy
01-23-2013, 04:07 PM
Don't forget the UDFAs we grabbed the next day or two:

Arian Foster and Tim Jamison... It is the draft/off-season that put us in the position we are in.

dream_team
01-23-2013, 05:12 PM
Don't forget the UDFAs we grabbed the next day or two:

Arian Foster and Tim Jamison... It is the draft/off-season that put us in the position we are in.

Excellent point!