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hellojohnnyboi
06-15-2005, 09:04 PM
This may be just me, but I think High Schoolers should have the same options that NBA players entering the draft do...

Think about it, football is a major-contact sport, and if a player doesn't want to risk 3-4 more years of injuring then why not allow him to enter as a senior in high school?

Tell me what you think

Panther5407
06-15-2005, 09:48 PM
The college thing is better. You go to college, and can decided to have a degree to fall back on, plus like you said, its a contact sport. Going from getting hit by a high school kid isnt going to be near the level being hit by the likes of people like Ray Lewis. You have to much to learn and develope between our high school and pro playing days.

BuffSoldier
06-15-2005, 10:10 PM
Unless a kid is on steroids there is no way that his body is mature enough to handle th leap from highschool to the pros. I really dont think that there is anyway a kid could be smart enough, fast enough , or strong enough to make that leap. The only way I could see that happen was with a kicker that could kick 50+ yards as a senoior, but any other scenario is almost impossible.

F-minus67
06-16-2005, 12:39 AM
Having highschoolers in the NFL would only lead to a bunch of teens crying after they got run over or crushed by a defender.

Vinny
06-16-2005, 09:53 AM
Men stop filling out around 25 years old, so most teens have a long way to go before they reach full blown maturity physically. High School players wouldn't make it in the NFL for the most part. Since the collective barganing agreement maintains that you must be at least a few years removed from your HS graduation it will never happen anyway. The decision has already stood up in Court a few times.

Huge
06-16-2005, 10:22 AM
I'm not a supporter of it but I refuse to believe that Adrian Peterson couldn't have a 1,000 yard season in the NFL after having almost 2,000 yards in one of the tougher conferences in the country his first year out of high school.

I realize he's an exception and they won't ever make the rule (nor should they). But there are exceptions. And when you have enough of them, then you have evidence to make an argument. They just don't have enough exceptions (and I don't predict they will anytime soon).

Vinny
06-16-2005, 10:26 AM
I don't like the NFL's rule myself. I think they are doing more than protecting the so-called best interests of the kids. They are protecting their farm system.

ledzeppelin229
06-16-2005, 10:48 AM
It's just another case of what's best from the legal aspect and what's best from the realistic aspect. The fact that it's the best situation for the HS and at the same time the NFL can protect it's own interests, tells me there really isn't anything wrong with it.

Human Highlight Reel
06-16-2005, 04:38 PM
I personally think that things should remain the way they are and I'm pretty sure they will cause of the simple fact of the matter is that.. like someone stated earlier.. being for instance a 5'10 170 lb or a 6'0 180 Reciever getting hit by 5'10, 180 Safety (Joe Smith) in High School is nothing like getting hit by 6'0, 226 lb Roy Williams or 6'1, 220 lb Rodney Harrison or 6'0, 215 lb Brain Dawkins in th NF..

And if you were a RB one minute you look across and see a 6'0 210 LB and then the next year you look across and see.. 6'3 260 Terrell Suggs or 6'3 250 Joey Porter. You're body's not mature enough for that as a senior in High school.. i dont even think is ready for that after your first year in college.. After the Sophmore Season then maybe then.. but not a moment sooner..

cause if you a 5'9 165 Reciever and you look across the line of scrimmage and see 6'1 205 lb Chris McCallister or maybe 6'2 210 Gary Baxter its not gone be a pretty site I can guarantee it..

All these kids need time to grow and get stronger to where they would be able to compete for a roster spot or playing time or whatever the case maybe.. Cause coming out of the High School and going to the NFl you prolly wont make the NFL Roster anyway.. you have those VERY VERY few exceptions.. like Adrian Peterson and Cedric Benson that are NFL ready protypical backs but you wont see too many of them.. NOOOO QB is ready to come from the High School Ranks to the NFL..

So overall I think that it's best for them to have to be outta high school at least 2 years before they can be allowed to decare for the draft..

Huge
06-16-2005, 04:47 PM
Marvin Harrison is 6'0, 175.

Human Highlight Reel
06-16-2005, 04:58 PM
as I stated.. there are VERY VERY RARE exceptions.. but how many Marvin Harrison do you think there will be?

Huge
06-16-2005, 05:03 PM
I could list a number of successful WRs in the NFL that don't top out the scales. Point is, the WR position doesn't take a beating like RBs or QBs (kinda like how you used two RBs as your exceptions). 'Course, Warrick Dunn blows that theory out of the water.

I share your viewpoint (they're simply not ready) but it doesn't have anything to do with height/weight. The body has to become accustomed to taking that kind of physical abuse and that takes time.

Human Highlight Reel
06-16-2005, 05:13 PM
yeah I agree that the size and height does play the ultimate factor but sometime WRs are put in a position in the middle of the field where you will eventualy see Roy Williams, Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, Tank Williams, Lavar Arrington, Brian Dawkins or Rodney Harrison.. and while your body may be accustomed to takin punishment from people in High School... the Pros completely different.. in my opinion College is completely different from High school..

and then you go from 10 - 14 including playoff games as a HS player.. then you go to the NFL where you have 20-24 games including preseason and playoffs its just not smart to try it, not wit the low level of competition that HS provide compared to the NFL..

But overall tho.. we're pretty much on the same page..

TDforTatum26
06-16-2005, 06:21 PM
awhile ago i saw this debate before the 2004 NFL draft.on SportsCenter. Every coach that ESPN interviewed said that high schoolers are not ready if they went from high school to the NFL.and all of them said they wouldnt ever draft a high school player.



and I agree with that.

hellojohnnyboi
06-16-2005, 06:39 PM
you say that but what if a Lebron James football version type player came along...say 6'4" 300 lbs kid who ran a 4.6 and was a D-Lineman....there is no way in H3LL that you would not take that kid straight outta high school rather than risking the extra 2-4 years in college?

and don't tell me size makes a huge difference because, going to the NBA, no one thought Sebastion Telfair was going to be the next great point guard for the Blazers, but once D. Staudimire leaves watch out...also 5'11" Jameer Nelson is a great example..now he's playing great in Orlando....what about a player like Kirk Hinrich, a slow unathletic white kid(not a styreotypical MJ or LJ) but this kid is playing unbeleivable ball..

football?
how bout everyones favorite (haha) warrick dunn....this kid is no bigger than me yet he has put up 1000 yard seasons...and hes not a blaze running either!

Rovator
06-16-2005, 09:33 PM
Starting in 2006, High school football players will have the same option as high school basketball players since an age limit's being placed in next year's draft.

TheOgre
06-17-2005, 03:43 PM
They are protecting their farm system.

Yep the college game is really nothing but a farm system. I think that in the long-run more players develop in the college game, but there is part of me that thinks it is total exploitation by the universities and the NFL.

Panther5407
06-17-2005, 04:47 PM
Starting in 2006, High school football players will have the same option as high school basketball players since an age limit's being placed in next year's draft.

Where did you hear this?

Panther5407
06-17-2005, 04:58 PM
you say that but what if a Lebron James football version type player came along...say 6'4" 300 lbs kid who ran a 4.6 and was a D-Lineman....there is no way in H3LL that you would not take that kid straight outta high school rather than risking the extra 2-4 years in college?

and don't tell me size makes a huge difference because, going to the NBA, no one thought Sebastion Telfair was going to be the next great point guard for the Blazers, but once D. Staudimire leaves watch out...also 5'11" Jameer Nelson is a great example..now he's playing great in Orlando....what about a player like Kirk Hinrich, a slow unathletic white kid(not a styreotypical MJ or LJ) but this kid is playing unbeleivable ball..

football?
how bout everyones favorite (haha) warrick dunn....this kid is no bigger than me yet he has put up 1000 yard seasons...and hes not a blaze running either!

I wouldnt take the 6'4" kid strait out of high school. I take the 6'4" kid coming out of college that has had more time to learn and develope all his skills becoming more complete. On my team at my school, we have a Rb that ran for over 1,800 yards (as a sophomore) and had around a 6-8 yard average but wouldnt be able to play strait out of high school. Plus, how well would a DE fair against people like Pace, Ogden, and other top o lineman in the leauge, the jump from a high school tackle to a all pro taclke would destroy them automatically, when going from a high school kid to maybe a alex barron then to a pace they would be able to fair much better. college is where you prepare for the pros, high school you just have enough time to learn all that you need to.

TexansCanes
06-18-2005, 09:52 PM
no one thought Sebastion Telfair was going to be the next great point guard for the Blazers, but once D. Staudimire leaves watch out

he was good, that is why he was drafted in the first, but people said he wasn't ready and him not playing that much has shown that. we has the skills but is still learning the game. its a different game and the situation is different for both sports. they shouldn't let kids do it anyway because of how many kids make the wrong decision and declare for the nba even though they aren't ready and go undrafted.

threetoedpete
06-22-2005, 12:13 PM
Where did you hear this?

Yeah I'd like to see that one sourced also, lol.

Ah the only two points I would make are these. Just because you can do a thing doesn't mean you have to. I think all would agree, at times there are young people blessed with the athletesism to attempt a major jump like this, going from the shool house to the pros. I can think of Ottis Sytrunk as one, who use to play with Madden's bunch. He did very well. Also on those teams was a center named Otto. Jim I beilieve. Jim is the reason my opinion on this subject will never change. Pro football is a very brutal sport. I don't care who you are, no every down player leaves the game unscathed. You read some of the stories of the guys and it takes many years for their bodies to recover if their bodies recover at all. Nope the rule is in place for a very good reason. Everyone should be forced to go to college a couple of years. The ones who dislike this the most are the ones who need it the most. Human beings should be more than just fodder for the NFL. If you don't believe me go to NFLPA and find out when some of the old school guys are playing locally in a golf tourney and watch them move around for a while.

Secondly, and I have no doubt that an activist judge can change all of this on a whim without constitutional or leagle merrit, but the clubs right to set their own rules super seeds the right of these young men "to earn a living". Commerce rules go way back . The reason this NFL rule has stood the test of time is because the rule is applied equally to all. There is no one in the NFL blocking these young people from filling out an application and getting a job as a Janitor, clerk or any other low skill job. I'm sure if you search this sight long enough, you will find an EOCC statement attesting to that fact. I would also say the day the NFL rule is struck, is the day this country is no longer a represenitive republic.
The rule is in place for a reason. Football people should be allowed IMHO, to set the rules for age limits and entry into THEIR league. The day this is no longer true will be a very sad day in this country's history.

Texas_Thrill
07-10-2005, 12:57 AM
First of all apples and oranges here. B-Ball and Football physically are NOWHERE in the same universe. Let's just be real here.

I think just looking at the NBA from the standpoint of how the FUNDAMENTALS of the players have deteriorated since the influx of h.s. kids.
Who can shoot a jump shot? Pass the ball? Play D? But all have SUPER-SIZED EGOS! Young brats.

Do we really want that for the NFL? I don't. I want good SOLID play. Keep my NFL just the way it is thank you.

stephen1
07-10-2005, 01:24 AM
First of all apples and oranges here. B-Ball and Football physically are NOWHERE in the same universe. Let's just be real here.

I think just looking at the NBA from the standpoint of how the FUNDAMENTALS of the players have deteriorated since the influx of h.s. kids.
Who can shoot a jump shot? Pass the ball? Play D? But all have SUPER-SIZED EGOS! Young brats.

Do we really want that for the NFL? I don't. I want good SOLID play. Keep my NFL just the way it is thank you.

lebron doesnt have a supersized ego.


but high schoolers are not physically or mentally ready to play i the nfl and would just do their body harm to try and perform with the other pros

Texas_Thrill
07-12-2005, 11:39 AM
lebron is the exception to every rule we can put for kids jumping from h.s. to the nba. though remember there is ONLY 1 of him and plenty more like i stated.

I mean can you just imagine ray lewis hitting one of these h.s. kids who has years on them in the weight room. I dont wnat to say someone might die but.......... :goodnight

PapaL
07-12-2005, 02:42 PM
how bout everyones favorite (haha) warrick dunn....this kid is no bigger than me yet he has put up 1000 yard seasons...and hes not a blaze running either!
I've never seen you nor met you, but I have seen Dunn in person. Don't let his measurable fool you. He might be shorter and weigh less than most RB's, but he is no joke. Completely solid. That after 4 years of college....