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AJ-80
01-18-2013, 01:23 AM
How far will he fall?

If you were Rick Smith what would do if he dropped to you? Take him regardless of his performance in the NCG? Regardless of all this mess he's involved in right now?

WolverineFan
01-18-2013, 01:29 AM
How far will he fall?

If you were Rick Smith what would do if he dropped to you? Take him regardless of his performance in the NCG? Regardless of all this mess he's involved in right now?

I think he's been overrated all year. He only won all those awards because of the girlfriend story and the media sympathy. There were numerous LB's with better numbers who didn't even get considered for those awards. It was a farce that he was even invited to the Heisman ceremony. There have been much better defensive performances over the years than his. All of his hype stems from this story about his girlfriend.

That said, I can't comment on his draftability unless I got to see him at the combine, pro day, workouts, etc. His interview process will be crucial as well. Too many factors right now, but to answer OP I would lean toward only drafting him in rounds 3-4 if he free falls.

Wolf6151
01-18-2013, 02:03 AM
If I'm the GM, I don't draft him at all. He's either the biggest idiot or biggest liar in college football and I don't want either on my team. There are other guys who I like that I'd take instead in later rounds, AJ Klein, Kiko Alonso, Kevin Reddick, etc... As for the real NFL, they have short memories and will draft him based on skill level. I'm thinking in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Rey
01-18-2013, 08:19 AM
I didn't want Teo BEFORE this stuff came out.

I wasn't a fan of his BEFORE the nc game.

That said, if he falls to the third round or later you have to at least consider it.

But I'm not going to be clamoring for the guy at any point. But coverage wise he'd be an upgrade over what we have.

Corrosion
01-18-2013, 09:00 AM
I didn't want Teo BEFORE this stuff came out.

I wasn't a fan of his BEFORE the nc game.

That said, if he falls to the third round or later you have to at least consider it.

But I'm not going to be clamoring for the guy at any point. But coverage wise he'd be an upgrade over what we have.

I'd almost be willing to ditch the ILB all together and plug in a thumper safety with coverage skills in that spot on a regular basis.


Quick , someone go clone Jack Tatum in his prime.

beerlover
01-18-2013, 10:09 AM
Manti dropping to 27 would be a gift. but media circus that would follow may be too much for boys on Kirby? but from evaluation perspective he should be on the Texan short list with razor thin LB position.

I hope another team bites to push another prospect down to #27. I would rather grab a high ceiling WR then address LB with 2nd. :kitten:

Rey
01-18-2013, 10:18 AM
I'd almost be willing to ditch the ILB all together and plug in a thumper safety with coverage skills in that spot on a regular basis.


Quick , someone go clone Jack Tatum in his prime.

I mentioned last year that Taylor mays might be a good fit for this defense of wade could get creative with him. Better coverage skills than most lb's would have, but bigger and stronger than most safeties.

I thought if we could coach him up he'd be ideal for that joker role that Quinn plays. Which would allow us to leave Quinn back deep.

The safety I like in this draft for that role is lester from bama. Not the physical freak that mays is, but has the size, good athleticism, physical and has good technique.

beerlover
01-18-2013, 12:04 PM
I mentioned last year that Taylor mays might be a good fit for this defense of wade could get creative with him. Better coverage skills than most lb's would have, but bigger and stronger than most safeties.

I thought if we could coach him up he'd be ideal for that joker role that Quinn plays. Which would allow us to leave Quinn back deep.

The safety I like in this draft for that role is lester from bama. Not the physical freak that mays is, but has the size, good athleticism, physical and has good technique.

Why didn't the Texans just keep Pollard then?

Rey
01-18-2013, 12:11 PM
Why didn't the Texans just keep Pollard then?

I think part of the same reason they traded Demeco.

They aren't going to take a team leader, someone used to always being on the field, and make them into a niche role player.

Better to find someone cheap for that.

Once I saw wade's 3 safety defense I thought that wouldve been a nice role for pollard.

Vinny
01-18-2013, 12:25 PM
no way they take him in the first round. Dude can't man cover and he isn't a great tackler in space.

Honoring Earl 34
01-18-2013, 12:28 PM
I think the Jaguars will get Tebow and draft Manti Te'o . This will create the biggest NFL sideshow ever . :overreact:

On a football note , I'd take Minter and Overstreet every time over Manti Te'o .

Playoffs
01-18-2013, 06:21 PM
How far will he fall?When it's all said and done I don't think it'll materially impact his position. Not about football.

mussop
01-19-2013, 12:38 AM
I think the Jaguars will get Tebow and draft Manti Te'o . This will create the biggest NFL sideshow ever . :overreact:

On a football note , I'd take Minter and Overstreet every time over Manti Te'o .

Overstreet is the best ILB in this draft. I agree I would rank Te'o 3rd.

Wolf6151
01-19-2013, 02:40 AM
Overstreet is the best ILB in this draft. I agree I would rank Te'o 3rd.

Who's Overstreet? Are yall thinking of Ogletree from Georgia? He's my #1 ILB.

mussop
01-19-2013, 03:55 AM
Who's Overstreet? Are yall thinking of Ogletree from Georgia? He's my #1 ILB.

Yes I meant Ogletree. :headhurts:

HJam72
01-19-2013, 08:38 AM
I hear Overthetrees is good.

dc_txtech
01-19-2013, 11:07 AM
I hear Overthetrees is good.

I've been clamoring for Oventrees since he was a freshman!

steelbtexan
01-19-2013, 11:37 AM
I didn't want Teo BEFORE this stuff came out.

I wasn't a fan of his BEFORE the nc game.

That said, if he falls to the third round or later you have to at least consider it.

But I'm not going to be clamoring for the guy at any point. But coverage wise he'd be an upgrade over what we have.

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This

But he is not physical enough to play next to Cushing in a 3-4.

Teo would best be used as a WLB in a 4-3 defense. IMHO

I would take him in the 3rd rd if I was Wade.

beerlover
01-19-2013, 02:47 PM
Wade would run to the podium (would be quite the sight) selecting Manti Te'o w/27th overall pick. How anyone can say he doesn't fit inside or next to player like Cushing is inexplicable :overreact:

Vinny
01-19-2013, 03:15 PM
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This

But he is not physical enough to play next to Cushing in a 3-4.

Teo would best be used as a WLB in a 4-3 defense. IMHO

I would take him in the 3rd rd if I was Wade.
he's more of a Scam linebacker than a Will linebacker...he looks too slow to play the weakside.

beerlover
01-19-2013, 08:11 PM
Because he is an over-rated head case?

Because he was duped (catfished)? Hard lesson learned. Move on & become a better person & football player.

Playoffs
01-19-2013, 08:30 PM
Walter Football has Te'o going to Pittsburgh 17th or Chicago 20th now. They're saying he may fall to the back of the first round.

Corrosion
01-20-2013, 01:25 PM
Because he was duped (catfished)? Hard lesson learned. Move on & become a better person & football player.

I just dont think he has the physical tools to play inside in the NFL.

beerlover
01-20-2013, 01:41 PM
I just dont think he has the physical tools to play inside in the NFL.

Could be more specific?

AJ-80
01-20-2013, 09:11 PM
The national championship really made him look bad. I am really skeptical about even selecting him. Alot of people think he is overrated and I tend to agree. I would take Ogletree over him.

Dread-Head
01-20-2013, 11:04 PM
Okay...the kid got "catfished" it happens.

Hervoyel
01-20-2013, 11:18 PM
I wouldn't touch the guy after this, He's either really stupid with questionable character for doing this or really stupid for falling for it. There's no way this comes out the other end as anything but a knock on him.

Add the fact that he appears to be genuinely overrated and you got the formula for drafting a bust.

beerlover
01-21-2013, 10:32 AM
This is a hot topic to me because it flashes general public opinion over reaction in regards to player evaluation. I have no doubt that Te'o will be a core starter for whichever team drafts him. What does this over hyped, hyperbole really mean? He will carry a first round grade period. He will still be the #1 rated ILB on majority of NFL teams big board. He is 6020 255. His 7 interceptions rank him 2nd in the nation with db's. He doesn't stuff the box as most MLB highly productive run stoppers because he is more a coverage LB who floats to the ball either off reads or by design. He would complement Cushing well & help define & add production to ILB position. Still over his Notre Dame career his total tackles made of 433 very solid as well.