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Vinny
01-17-2013, 01:21 PM
I was re-watching the game and I wanted to focus on what exactly it was that irritated me about how we managed our attempt to win the game with a quarter left on the clock. We start the "comeback" by going for a 4th and 1 and throwing deep while deep in our own territory. This team is the king of the slant routes, the crossing pattern, the 7 yard special....but do we do what we do best? Nah, keep Foster in to block and let's throw a low % pass down field...to the rookie. On defense we roll out the same clown car with Ruud playing cornerback. After that, it's salvage the stats time and plod to our final scoring effort with 95% of the 4th quarter left. Throwing the ball deep while in 4th and 1 and chipping it down field with short passes when you have to be aggressive? If this is Kubiak's way of keeping them honest, he needs more mustard on his biscuits.

Here's how it went down:

4th & 1 on own 33. Foster stays in to block and Schaub misses on a deep route to Posey. Andre Johnson 10-15 yards further upfield in the same area. Turnover in Patriot red zone.

Pats swing Vereen out to the x wide out. Ruud runs out to cover him in space. Touchdown Patriots. 3rd TD for Vereen. Danny Woodhead started, Ridley is the feature back and Vereen is the 3rd back. One play after the turnover in our own territory we are down 13-38 with a full quarter to play.

13:05 on the clock. Houston 13, New England 38. Manning kick return to the Patriot 37 yard line. Pretty much the exact same place on the field we gave the Patriots on the initial 4th&1 in this sequence of events. After making safe throws taking what the defense gave them the Texans manage to finally score with 5:11 remaining in the game.

Patriot ball with 4:14 left in the game with a critical 3rd down situation after two runs straight up the gut for 8 yards. Kareem Jackson holds Wes Welker. Automatic 1st down, game over.

Double Barrel
01-17-2013, 01:46 PM
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Vaughan Cunningham: You always seem to be deep in thought. Tell me, what are you thinking right now?

Karl: I was thinkin', I'm gonna take me some of these taters home with me.

In both Patriots games, it seems like the Texans mentally shut down in the 4th quarters. That's probably not the case to those on the team, but to the rest of us, it truly looked like they had accepted defeat in both games before the clock hit 0:00.

That loser body language and lack of spirit is something that they have to find a way to overcome. Great teams never quit, even when it looks like all is lost. They fight and claw with all their will until the game is officially over. I do not see that kind of fight in this team at this point in time. Hopefully that changes soon.

ThaShark316
01-17-2013, 02:04 PM
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Vaughan Cunningham: You always seem to be deep in thought. Tell me, what are you thinking right now?

Karl: I was thinkin', I'm gonna take me some of these taters home with me.

In both Patriots games, it seems like the Texans mentally shut down in the 4th quarters. That's probably not the case to those on the team, but to the rest of us, it truly looked like they had accepted defeat in both games before the clock hit 0:00.

That loser body language and lack of spirit is something that they have to find a way to overcome. Great teams never quit, even when it looks like all is lost. They fight and claw with all their will until the game is officially over. I do not see that kind of fight in this team at this point in time. Hopefully that changes soon.

I gotta kind of disagree because If they checked out, that score never reaches 38-28.

thunderkyss
01-17-2013, 02:33 PM
I was re-watching the game and I wanted to focus on what exactly it was that irritated me about how we managed our attempt to win the game with a quarter left on the clock.

I work with a group of guys in an industrial environment. It gets pretty fast paced around here & it's important that we work diligently, but keep our heads as a little mistake could turn into big trouble. I never tell anyone to "slow down" but I'm always telling them to take your time, be sure, etc.. etc..

Most mistakes are made when people get in a hurry, or they're frustrated or upset & not thinking about what they are doing.

I have to imagine some of that goes into what Kubiak tells Matt, seeing how we lost so many games in 2009 & 2010 because of "silly" mistakes & during that time, when it rained, it poured.

But damn........ I've never seen it go to such extreme.


There are two ways not to make mistakes. One, is to just not do anything risky. The other, is to practice those high risk situations, until they're second nature. When Kubiak got here, Carr was stuck in the don't take risks mode & I thought Kubiak was in the "we've got to get better" mode. Sage didn't give a f & I really liked that about him. He might throw an INT, but if it was a good decision, just didn't go his way, he was going to throw that ball again in that situation next time.

Schaub was the same way. & I liked that. Short memory, try to win, get better everyday, keep taking shots.

But something has definitely changed, & I don't know why. Looking back, it was a long time coming. Though I said Schaub took chances back in the day, he stopped throwing the long ball a long time ago. I thought it was because his arm was too weak to get it ahead of Andre, but it does appear that he underthrows his receivers on purpose. So...

Long story short, yeah you're right. No sense of urgency at all.

Runner
01-17-2013, 02:59 PM
“Be quick, but don’t hurry” - John Wooden

His point is to do the right things, but learn how to do them quickly. Doing the right thing doesn't have to be plodding and over-cautious.

To me the slow offense is the flip side of not being ready on defense for the Patriot's hurry up offense. The seeming lack of urgency is just incompetence in that facet of the game. It funnels down from the head coach's approach. "Hurry up" is a necessary part of the game that the Texans just don't address very well. It doesn't fit well with Kubiak's football mentality.

thunderkyss
01-17-2013, 03:15 PM
It doesn't fit well with Kubiak's football mentality.

I don't know if I want to go that far.

I remember when he got here, we'd run a two minute drill & somehow the other team would score twice.

However, I think we've had enough success with it over the last two or three years, that we'd run it more often. The only reason we don't.... I believe, is because he doesn't trust someone(s) on this team. I can't imagine it's the QB.

If it were the QB, he never would have extended him, unless McNair is giving Schaub that golden handshake same as Carr. Maybe this was Matt's last hurrah, I doubt it. But I've never seen a WCO quarterback that was so limited.

Double Barrel
01-17-2013, 03:22 PM
I gotta kind of disagree because If they checked out, that score never reaches 38-28.

I don't think they quit playing, but rather they quit thinking that they could make a comeback against the New England Patriots.

76Texan
01-17-2013, 03:31 PM
I don't know if I want to go that far.

I remember when he got here, we'd run a two minute drill & somehow the other team would score twice.

However, I think we've had enough success with it over the last two or three years, that we'd run it more often. The only reason we don't.... I believe, is because he doesn't trust someone(s) on this team. I can't imagine it's the QB.

If it were the QB, he never would have extended him, unless McNair is giving Schaub that golden handshake same as Carr. Maybe this was Matt's last hurrah, I doubt it. But I've never seen a WCO quarterback that was so limited.

Kubiak is probably not very comfortable with Schaub running much of the no huddle or hurry-up offense so we didn't see it much; but the Broncos weren't shy with Elway.

That reminds me of a piece about how Kubiak said Keenum shined during TC in that aspect; he used the term "automatic" to describe Keenum.

There's an article out there on the net, let me see if I can figure how to link it with my IPhone.


http://http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/06/rave-reviews-for-texans-rookie-qb-case-keenum/ (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/06/rave-reviews-for-texans-rookie-qb-case-keenum/)

Runner
01-17-2013, 05:15 PM
That reminds me of a piece about how Kubiak said Keenum shined during TC in that aspect; he used the term "automatic" to describe Keenum.


Automatic? Then put him in!

Texan Asylum
01-17-2013, 05:52 PM
http://www3.obamiconme.pastemagazine.com/entries/1681245-mustard-biscuits.gif

Vaughan Cunningham: You always seem to be deep in thought. Tell me, what are you thinking right now?

Karl: I was thinkin', I'm gonna take me some of these taters home with me.




LOL!


VAUGHAN:

Oh. How about before that?

KARL:

Before that I was thinkin' it'd be good if I could get another three or four cans of that potted meat if you got any extry.

thunderkyss
01-17-2013, 06:33 PM
I've decided to rewatch the game, & I'm looking at the opening drive. 1st, I know it's way too predictable that we will run the ball on first down inside the red zone, sure enough, that's what we do here. However, we've got Arian Foster, so I really don't mind. The Patriots don't do anything special to counter.

We're lined up with a single back, 2 TEs, 2 WRs. Both TEs are on the right, Graham off the line next to Newton, OD on the line outside the hash marks, KDub just next to him, off the line. Andre is the lone receiver to the left, on the line. There is a CB playing press coverage on him, A DE on Browns outside shoulder, Wilfork playing right over Smith, The UT is between Ben Jones & Newton, with a LB playing outside of Graham. We're outnumbered to the left, 5 on 4.

At the snap, Andre tries to block 28... doesn't do a good job. Brown tries to take the DE to the right, doesn't do a good job. He get's his hands on the guy, gets a little movement, but drifts backwards, sealing off the end. Arian has to go inside. Smith & Myers double Wilfork. Myers doesn't do a good job of moving Wilfork sideways.... I know he's undersized, but Wilfork takes on Smith & Myers has a good shot at him from the side, should be advantage Myers, but it isn't. Myers comes off that block & blocks the LB. Ben Jones & Newton double 71. Newton's size advantage doesn't do much towards getting 71 to move laterally, He leaves Ben Jones & makes a block at the second level. Ben Jones struggles with 71, they run into Smith & Wilfork, Foster tried to cut behind Ben Jones, but since Ben & Smith aren't getting any lateral movement, it's a pretty acrobatic jump back inside. Looks kinda funny. Ninkovich pretty much jukes around Graham & is pretty much free. As Foster dives back inside of Jones for 3 yards, Wilfork, Deaderick, Ninkovitch, & Spikes (who was poorly blocked by Newton) jump on him.

This has nothing to do with being predictable or running at Wilfork. It's supposed to be a stretch to the left, but their guys simply beat our guys. & it's not like one or two of them, across the board, our guys got beat.

We throw it on second down.
If Belichick is a genius for getting us to put a LB on a RB, then Kubiak is the same kind of genius. Foster motions out of the backfield, lines up wide left. Mayo is covering him, shaded to the inside, he wants Foster against the sideline.... no safety help. At the snap, Foster doesn't break off the line as if to beat Mayo to the corner of the endzone. He barely runs a route imo. It's as if the only reason he is out there, is to get Mayo out of the middle. & that may be the case, as that is a big reason why Casey is wide open running the seam (out of the backfield), Schaub finds him, gets the ball right where it needed to be.... but he dropped it.

Pass blocking is okay, not great. Brown has a TE on his left, so it takes a while for Chandler Jones to get around him before Brown can get his hands on him. Looks like he initially misjudges Jones' speed, but recovers well. Newton drops back, almost straight, with no arc. By the time he's at the end of his drop, he's only a few feet from Schaub. The strong side LB comes on a blitz & explodes into Nate on contact, driving Nate backwards into Schaub. Schaub just threw the ball, but can't follow through with his lower body as his leg kicks Newton. Ben Jones, Myers, & Smith do an excellent job blocking Wilfork, 71, & Ninkovich... plenty of room to step up, if needed..... it wasn't.

Owens route was ran pretty well, he's open just like Casey, right in front of Matt, but there is a safety sitting on his route. That safety is also over KDub, can't really see what Andre is doing.

Third & 7, we throw it again.
Andre makes it to the back of the endzone clean. He's running free, there's a window for Schaub to hit him, but Schaub throws it late. Pass protection again looks good. But Newton is punched backwards into Schaub's vicinity again..... his arc isn't as wide as it could be. Duane Brown moves very well for such a big man. 94 is relentlessly working on Smith, but Smith doesn't budge. Ben Jones blocks Wilfork, who doesn't really try to penetrate. Shaub's got plenty of time. He does have a couple of defenders he'g got to get the ball over, but a very makable throw.

What I don't like, Owen Daniels, Walter, & Andre are in a bunch formation to the right. Walter off the line, OD on the line, then Andre off the line. Owen breaks left, Walter crosses under him, Andre runs straight. Their safety Gregory is in press coverage on OD, as Owen cuts, the safety doesn't get a hand on him, & follows him inside. Gerard Mayo is manning the middle, eyes on Schaub, but he sees Owen running his quick slant. Mayo steps up, to get in his way & cuts Daniels route off. Great play by Mayo, nothing OD could do. But what I hate about it, is that even though Mayo had his responsibilities, he knows that he cant' allow Owen to run unimpeded through the middle.

Our LBs wouldn't have made that play, instead they would have tried avoid getting hit by Hernandez or Gronk & get in Quin's way as he tries to cover him. Their LBs understand zone coverage & routes & helping their safeties.... ours dont.

The throw to Andre is probably late, because Matt was looking for this route to develop & Mayo botched it for us. Great play by Mayo. Matt still could have made a better throw to Andre. As high as he threw it, if he'd have led him only Andre would have had a play on it.

However, if you're on our defense, STs got the offense to the 12 yard line, & we settled for a field goal, what would you be thinking?

Double Barrel
01-17-2013, 06:44 PM
However, if you're on our defense, STs got the offense to the 12 yard line, & we settled for a field goal, what would you be thinking?

Probably the same thing the rest of us were thinking: It's going to be a long game.

EllisUnit
01-17-2013, 07:37 PM
Lets put it this way, a cowboys fan i work with came up to me the other day and said

"Man if u guys didnt have such a ***** conservative coach the texans would be playing in the Superbowl this season. But your team always seems to give up" "with so much talent this team can win a SB, but not with Kubiak as coach"

NOW what does that tell you, this guy hates the texans but even he sees the problem and the potential.

panamamyers
01-17-2013, 09:26 PM
The worst decision by far was going for the onside kick with so much time left in the game and so many timeouts left.
Should have kicked it deep then and played defense like you had been doing. That was the ball game.

ThaShark316
01-17-2013, 11:57 PM
The worst decision by far was going for the onside kick with so much time left in the game and so many timeouts left.
Should have kicked it deep then and played defense like you had been doing. That was the ball game.

Couldn't disagree more.

Besides, K-Jax got robbed on that 3rd down holding call. We play off of Lloyd on another 3rd down...easy pitch and catch. Changes to get off the field were there.

That onside kick was executed to PERFECTION. 38-35 (or 31) game within 2-3 minutes of that...THEN you play D.

texanhead08
01-18-2013, 01:14 AM
Clock management has been a problem since Kubiak got here.

thunderkyss
01-18-2013, 08:19 AM
Kubiak is probably not very comfortable with Schaub running much of the no huddle or hurry-up offense so we didn't see it much; but the Broncos weren't shy with Elway.


That can't be it. No way we pay a guy $60M if they don't trust him to run a 2 minute offense. The problem has to be elsewhere. There's someone, something else he doesn't trust.

Rey
01-18-2013, 08:22 AM
That can't be it. No way we pay a guy $60M if they don't trust him to run a 2 minute offense. The problem has to be elsewhere. There's someone, something else he doesn't trust.

We paid Carr a bunch of money then cut him.

It's not like this franchise hadn't made mistakes and then later realized their error before.

buddyboy
01-18-2013, 09:12 AM
Lets put it this way, a cowboys fan i work with came up to me the other day and said

"Man if u guys didnt have such a ***** conservative coach the texans would be playing in the Superbowl this season. But your team always seems to give up" "with so much talent this team can win a SB, but not with Kubiak as coach"

NOW what does that tell you, this guy hates the texans but even he sees the problem and the potential.

Why listen to a Cowboys fan on what's wrong with this team? Do you think his opinion has any more weight than anyone here? I guarantee you 90% of these posters know more than him, why should we care what a cowboys fan thinks?

Mr teX
01-18-2013, 09:23 AM
That can't be it. No way we pay a guy $60M if they don't trust him to run a 2 minute offense. The problem has to be elsewhere. There's someone, something else he doesn't trust.

running the no-huddle and hurry up was not an issue in years past. I surmise its probably the WR's and O-line....right side of the o-line specifically.

Rey
01-18-2013, 09:32 AM
You guys are rewriting history now. This has never been a speedy offense. That's why they made such a big deal about the sugar huddle this season and kubiak mentioned he wanted to dabble with it.

And there were plenty of times in the past where kubiak had opted to take knees with plenty of time left on the clock before the half and people around here complained.

Our two minute offense in past seasons has been underwhelming. It's not like we were masters of the hurry up and then all of a sudden this season we changed.

Señor Stan
01-18-2013, 10:09 AM
I don't have a problem with the Texans trying to catch the Pats off guard with the deep ball on 4th and 1. If they can burn them for a TD the game is 31-20 with most of the 4th left...

The problem I have is with the throw Schaub made...if he was going the throw up a prayer, throw it to Andre further down the field and give him a chance to make a play.

Vinny
01-18-2013, 11:54 AM
I don't have a problem with the Texans trying to catch the Pats off guard with the deep ball on 4th and 1. If they can burn them for a TD the game is 31-20 with most of the 4th left...

The problem I have is with the throw Schaub made...if he was going the throw up a prayer, throw it to Andre further down the field and give him a chance to make a play.almost a quarter left and you chunk a low % 4th down pass deep down field in double coverage and hand the ball to Tom Brady on your own 33? That's good coaching to you? This team is the BEST team in the league throwing shallow crossing routes and dinking and dunking. Take a shot at the end zone if you are on other side of the 50 perhaps, but once they gave the Pats the ball back (already in scoring position) the game was essentially over the very next play.

Mr teX
01-18-2013, 12:20 PM
almost a quarter left and you chunk a low % 4th down pass deep down field in double coverage and hand the ball to Tom Brady on your own 33? That's good coaching to you? This team is the BEST team in the league throwing shallow crossing routes and dinking and dunking. Take a shot at the end zone if you are on other side of the 50 perhaps, but once they gave the Pats the ball back (already in scoring position) the game was essentially over the very next play.

Not to mention AJ's more than likely got a safety over the top...that's an easy pick..it's 1 of the reason Schaub doesn't just throw it up there like that. Yates tried it a few times last year against the Ravens...how'd that turn out for him?

76Texan
01-18-2013, 05:22 PM
That can't be it. No way we pay a guy $60M if they don't trust him to run a 2 minute offense. The problem has to be elsewhere. There's someone, something else he doesn't trust.

I didn't say never; I only said "not much".

76Texan
01-18-2013, 05:31 PM
running the no-huddle and hurry up was not an issue in years past. I surmise its probably the WR's and O-line....right side of the o-line specifically.

Running that kind of a scheme calls for a lot of quick passes; you don't need a stout O-line to do that. You don't need great receivers either. You need a QB with a quick release that can also make quick decision most of all. Snap, ball gone; whether it's long or short or anything in between.

Look at Keenum, his O-line at UH wasn't much; none of his receivers were drafted; he went against teams that played Luck, RG III, Weeden, Tannerhill, you name it.

They were going so fast, they wore their own defense down, the coaches had to tone it down in the second half of the season.

ObsiWan
01-18-2013, 06:01 PM
However, if you're on our defense, STs got the offense to the 12 yard line, & we settled for a field goal, what would you be thinking?
How the $#!+ did James Casey let a gimmie TD pass go right through his damned hands?!?

eriadoc
01-18-2013, 06:06 PM
Over the last six games (counting the two playoff games), the Texans offense possessed the ball 67 times. They scored 8 TDs. Schaub threw for 2 of those, alongside several interceptions. One of them was a garbage time TD that did not threaten the game in any way. At least two more of the offensive TDs (one by Yates, one by Foster) were also garbage time TDs that did not threaten the scoreboard in any meaningful fashion.

On the season, it looks like the Texans attempted more FGs than any other playoff team, and quite a few of those came in the last six games.

9baller
01-18-2013, 07:18 PM
Running that kind of a scheme calls for a lot of quick passes; you don't need a stout O-line to do that. You don't need great receivers either. You need a QB with a quick release that can also make quick decision most of all. Snap, ball gone; whether it's long or short or anything in between.

Look at Keenum, his O-line at UH wasn't much; none of his receivers were drafted; he went against teams that played Luck, RG III, Weeden, Tannerhill, you name it.

They were going so fast, they wore their own defense down, the coaches had to tone it down in the second half of the season.

I was wondering about how quick Keenum gets rid of the ball. I think I heard that Brady is the quickest in the NFL and gets rid of the ball in just over 3 seconds. Do you have any clue about this?

76Texan
01-18-2013, 08:25 PM
I was wondering about how quick Keenum gets rid of the ball. I think I heard that Brady is the quickest in the NFL and gets rid of the ball in just over 3 seconds. Do you have any clue about this?

Well, actually, a Pat fan posted either here or on their MB (I can't remember which) that there was a report that Brady got the ball out on the average in 2.2 seconds; I don't know whether that's true or not.

In 2011 I think, during one of our games, the network shows a comparison between Peyton and somebody (I don't remember who) getting set and pull the trigger to see how fast it is. But this is different from getting the ball out counting from the moment the ball is snapped.

What I had done before the last draft was to take screen shots of various QBs in the draft on pass plays.

I focus on just the shotgun, because many of them hardly take the ball from under center.

I measure the time on different routes; let's say a 10 yard out or a 35 yard deep out, etc.

I can guarantee with you that on the average, Keenum gets the ball out of there quicker than any QB in the last draft.

Too bad, I didn't store but a few screen shots.
I can do it again, but I will be busy for a couple of weeks; I will have to get to it later.

thunderkyss
01-18-2013, 08:28 PM
Over the last six games (counting the two playoff games), the Texans offense possessed the ball 67 times. They scored 8 TDs. Schaub threw for 2 of those, alongside several interceptions. One of them was a garbage time TD that did not threaten the game in any way. At least two more of the offensive TDs (one by Yates, one by Foster) were also garbage time TDs that did not threaten the scoreboard in any meaningful fashion.

On the season, it looks like the Texans attempted more FGs than any other playoff team, and quite a few of those came in the last six games.

This is what leads me to believe something happened that we aren't fully aware of, more than something is fundamentally wrong with this team.

If Schaub wasn't "good enough" we never would have gotten to 12-1. If the right side of our line was the problem, we never would have gotten to 12-1. If our coach is over his head, we never would have gotten to 12-1.

Along the way, we beat some pretty good teams, Denver, Chicago (when they're healthy, they're as good as any team out there & they were healthy to start that game), & Baltimore. We beat some decent teams, Indy, Miami & Detroit. We beat some bad teams, Jacksonville, Buffalo, & NYJets.

No one expected us to go undefeated, you win some, you lose some. But when we lost, we were utterly & completely dismantled. At least against the elite teams, Green Bay & New England. Other teams were able to show up against those teams, but not us. Totally dominated on both sides of the ball. Then there was Minnesota & Indy, our offense was completely useless.

I think there is something to be said about choking in big games. But the Bengals game was a big game. Definite issues in the red zone, but our running game looked good, our passing game looked good, our defense looked good. Cincinnati was the better team, but we managed to win.

Something happened, I don't know what it was, but we weren't able to overcome. I don't think our team's fundamentals are that bad. Not saying that I'm hoping for more of the same, or a small improvement going further. I'd like a Super Bowl as much as the rest of you, but I'm not "sure" a new QB is the quickest path, or a new Coach, or a new "philosophy" I honestly don't know what is, but I'm not liking what I'm hearing so far.

76Texan
01-18-2013, 08:49 PM
Well, actually, a Pat fan posted either here or on their MB (I can't remember which) that there was a report that Brady got the ball out on the average in 2.2 seconds; I don't know whether that's true or not.

In 2011 I think, during one of our games, the network shows a comparison between Peyton and somebody (I don't remember who) getting set and pull the trigger to see how fast it is. But this is different from getting the ball out counting from the moment the ball is snapped.

What I had done before the last draft was to take screen shots of various QBs in the draft on pass plays.

I focus on just the shotgun, because many of them hardly take the ball from under center.

I measure the time on different routes; let's say a 10 yard out or a 35 yard deep out, etc.

I can guarantee with you that on the average, Keenum gets the ball out of there quicker than any QB in the last draft.

Too bad, I didn't store but a few screen shots.
I can do it again, but I will be busy for a couple of weeks; I will have to get to it later.

And then it's more involved than just that as far as the art of QBking.
Sometimes you would see Keenum fake throwing a ten yard out only to throw a swing pass, or vice versa.

How often does he look off the safety (or safeties).
How often does he look left but throw right.
How well does he pull the D-linemen in on a screen pass without getting sack as to give the RB more room to operate.
Can be tell that the CB doesn't have time to look back and throw a pass at the back of his head where only his receiver can adjust to the ball.
Can he gauge the depth of the double coverage and where the defenders are headed and throw the ball to a place where his receiver is in the best position to make the play even though it's double coverage.
How well does he lead his receiver so that he can catch the ball in stride or out of harm way.

I had noted that Luck had led Osuwu to 3 concussions because he failed to do so, subjecting his receiver to an unecessary big hit.

Things like that...

infantrycak
01-19-2013, 12:21 AM
How often does he look off the safety (or safeties).
How often does he look left but throw right.
How well does he pull the D-linemen in on a screen pass without getting sack as to give the RB more room to operate.

Gruden a coach many clamor for around here said Schaub does both of the first two excellently and broke down several plays showing it before one of the games. I don't recall Schaub being sacked on any screen plays. There may be some examples but certainly enough to call it a problem.

tru80texan
01-19-2013, 07:15 AM
How the $#!+ did James Casey let a gimmie TD pass go right through his damned hands?!?

That & were the heck was schaub throwing his next pass that missed a wide open Andre in the endzone by a mile.

The receivers didn't help Schaub, but he hurt himself on a few occasions as well.

HJam72
01-19-2013, 08:44 AM
The title of this thread is exactly the problem and symptomatic of Kubiak:

who the heck puts mustard on biscuits??? :kubepalm:

EllisUnit
01-19-2013, 10:40 AM
Why listen to a Cowboys fan on what's wrong with this team? Do you think his opinion has any more weight than anyone here? I guarantee you 90% of these posters know more than him, why should we care what a cowboys fan thinks?

Dude my whole point was that you dont have to be a fan of or follow the texans to see what the problems with the team are. Cause it is that obvious.

Thought the post was kind of obvious, its not like i give a damn what a boys fan think about the other texas team.

76Texan
01-19-2013, 12:01 PM
Gruden a coach many clamor for around here said Schaub does both of the first two excellently and broke down several plays showing it before one of the games. I don't recall Schaub being sacked on any screen plays. There may be some examples but certainly enough to call it a problem.

I think you're right, I think Gruden talked about that.
I wasn't really talking about Schaub in this specific instance, I was talking about all the QBs that were drafted.

But Schaub can still do better on those things.
For example, on the pass that he threw in the endzone to Walter that McCourty intercepted, he didn't look off the safety.

I believe AJ was running a route on the left (where McCourty had an eye on in case AJ runs a post route, and Foster sneaked out of the backfield, Schaub never tried to freeze McCourty. Either that, or Schaub could lure the safety and dumped the ball to Foster.

On the screen pass, I don't recall an instance where Schaub was sacked (but he might have been), but I would say it's probably more of a problem by the O-lineman. But I was really talking about the rookie QBs.

More often though, the QB has a lot to do with whether he's quick enough with his read to know that a defender is coming in too quickly, and he needs to get the ball out faster for a better chance of a completion, or he needs to draw the defender know close enough so that the back doesn't get tackled before he can make a move.

Sometimes, it's better for the QB to fake a pass to one flat before throwing tbe screen pass to the other side as to avoid getting the ball batted down.

I've seen Keenum do this very well like an NFL veteran.

These are the things that those of us who follow Keenum closely notice.
And that's why we said that he's such a smart QB.