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Playoffs
01-14-2013, 06:27 PM
Have to admit I don't regularly listen (vs. read) press conferences, but...

Listening to Kubiak on 610 just now, Coach Kubiak's voice was that same monotone he has when talking about Schaub & Yates. I detected a bit of disappointment in Yates(?)

When asked about Case Keenum his voice just lit up:

--Really emphasized how impressed he is with Keenum

--Big arm, no problems with that arm, plus he's confident in it

--Smart, hard working, prepped for games exactly like Schaub/Yates

--Can't wait to get to do more work with him

--Need to work on his finding windows to throw through

Do we already have our next QB in house? Could it be that easy/lucky?

EllisUnit
01-14-2013, 06:32 PM
Could DEF be that easy, on the other could be less lucky :kitten:

76Texan
01-14-2013, 06:36 PM
It won't be easy, but maybe we will get lucky.

legacy_gt
01-14-2013, 06:47 PM
one of the points that matt (610) said was that keenum looked great at practice and his arm looked good.

76Texan
01-14-2013, 07:20 PM
Also, people may not realize that Keenum is more potent as a running threat most imagine.

He ran for some 2,000 yards and 41 TDs in HS.

In his first year at UH, he split time at QB, logging a little more than 100 attempts (including sacks) , scoring 9 TDs
and averaged some 4 yards net per carry (including yard lost on sacks.)

He doesn't run as much in the later years yet still scored the same number of rushing TDs as Russell Wilson (23) while having 50% fewer rushing attempts (300 vs 410 something - I didn't dig deep enough to subtract the number of sacks but both guys are good enough to avoid them about the same, I think.)

RG III had 33 rushing TDs on 528 attempts, so Keenum actually had more rushing TDS per carry than him as well - no small feast.

Rey
01-14-2013, 07:39 PM
Also, people may not realize that Keenum is more potent as a running threat most imagine.

He ran for some 2,000 yards and 41 TDs in HS.

In his first year at UH, he split time at QB, logging a little more than 100 attempts (including sacks) , scoring 9 TDs
and averaged some 4 yards net per carry (including yard lost on sacks.)

He doesn't run as much in the later years yet still scored the same number of rushing TDs as Russell Wilson (23) while having 50% fewer rushing attempts (300 vs 410 something - I didn't dig deep enough to subtract the number of sacks but both guys are good enough to avoid them about the same, I think.)

RG III had 33 rushing TDs on 528 attempts, so Keenum actually had more rushing TDS per carry than him as well - no small feast.

I think Keenum is more of a high scoring spread it out kind of qb. I think Yates fits what kubiak wants to do more.

Personally I'd rather have a qb like Keenum. Spread out defenses and run a fast break type of offense. Let the qb dictate the flow of the game.

I don't know if Keenum can fully take advantage of what he does well in this offense as currently constructed.

fiasco west
01-14-2013, 07:41 PM
Could be that easy but it's going to take guts for Kubiak to go with him and try it out.

Now I can't already wait until pre-season.

CloakNNNdagger
01-14-2013, 07:56 PM
I've been supporting the idea that Keenum is a sleeper that could thrive in this system, in that he has 2 healthy and smart feet that know when to run and when not to. The "system" would not have to be entirely overhauled, it would be enhanced by the addition of game plan unpredictability and increased accuracy both short and long. Keenum was excellent in feeding his receivers in stride........inclusive of the long ball.

If you remember my post re. Texans QB Darnell's interview a few weeks ago, he was very glancing and luke warm in comments when asked about Yates........and almost giddy, going on and on over Keenum's quick and extensive progress in grasping every aspect of the NFL game and our system........at the same while showing a big time arm.

It is obvious that Schaub will be under center at the beginning of next season, his job essentially protected by his guaranteed 2nd year contract......and the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990. It would not surprise me at all, though, if Keenum claims #2.

76Texan
01-14-2013, 07:59 PM
I think Keenum is more of a high scoring spread it out kind of qb. I think Yates fits what kubiak wants to do more.

Personally I'd rather have a qb like Keenum. Spread out defenses and run a fast break type of offense. Let the qb dictate the flow of the game.

I don't know if Keenum can fully take advantage of what he does well in this offense as currently constructed.

Keenum had seen a lot of different formations between Briles and Sumlin.
The Coogs had 2 and even 3 back sets back then with Briles, including the I.
They still do, except they hardly used it lately.

They also had 2-Te sets back then.

There are game films out there with Keenum running the bootleg play action pass out of the straight I for TD.

With a year rehashing it, I think he will be ready next year - crossing my fingers.

powda
01-14-2013, 08:06 PM
It is obvious that Schaub will be under center at the beginning of next season, his job essentially protected by his guaranteed 2nd year contract......and the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990. It would not surprise me at all, though, if Keenum claims #2.

Msr.

It cant be that easy. Everyone knows you HAVE TO draft your franchise qb with a top 5 pick. Besides, kubiak automatically disqualifies any qb with a strong arm. It's like the law of gravity.

Texecutioner
01-14-2013, 08:15 PM
Man, neither back up will ever be the full time starter here. Lol!


Yates may get a shot at it next year or the year after, but he won't last long. He'll be a stop gap player at best for a year while everyone watches him look like a Jason Campbell type of player. Keenum is barely even in the league as it is, so I don't even see him as a factor at all.

So, no our future QB is not on this roster.

Honoring Earl 34
01-14-2013, 08:16 PM
Msr.

It cant be that easy. Everyone knows you HAVE TO draft your franchise qb with a top 5 pick. Besides, kubiak automatically disqualifies any qb with a strong arm. It's like the law of gravity.

The first quality a QB has to posses can't be measured until after he plays and has adversity or gets the snot knocked out of him . Then you see how he responds and hope he's got talent .

ThaJokaa
01-14-2013, 08:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m5ydc67jPQ

If he can do that ^^ with AJ then I'm game to let him take over; mobile with a good arm?

WolverineFan
01-14-2013, 08:22 PM
I think a lot of guys are blinded when it comes to Keenum. They can't see him objectively because of where he comes from.

Yates could be a top backup in the league. Nothing wrong with that. I think average starter is his ceiling.

To clarify, no I don't think our next QB is on the roster.

legacy_gt
01-14-2013, 08:28 PM
it's interesting, kubs didn't sound too confident at yates while had a lot of good things to say about keenum.

fans want a mobile, take charge, accurate passer and keenum could fit the bill in the future. everything out of kubiaks mouth has been nothing but good stuff about keenum.

you really can't judge keenum until he plays some season games though.

MasterCush
01-14-2013, 08:30 PM
Case Keenum highlights - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFw3ZNZQQ4M

Looks pretty damn good although he's just a little short at 6'0

CloakNNNdagger
01-14-2013, 08:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m5ydc67jPQ

If he can do that ^^ with AJ then I'm game to let him take over; mobile with a good arm?

I know that these are "highlights." But they are very exemplary of ho he consistently had the ability to allow his receivers to catch in stride for yds after the catch.

CretorFrigg
01-14-2013, 08:39 PM
Case Keenum highlights - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFw3ZNZQQ4M

Looks pretty damn good although he's just a little short at 6'0

I doubt it's his height that's keeping him back. There's got to be more to it than just his height.

Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are "short."

Corrosion
01-14-2013, 08:42 PM
Msr.

It cant be that easy. Everyone knows you HAVE TO draft your franchise qb with a top 5 pick. Besides, kubiak automatically disqualifies any qb with a strong arm. It's like the law of gravity.

Yeah .... Tom Brady - 6th round pick :slapfight:


(I know you were being sarcastic)

Lucky
01-14-2013, 09:21 PM
I've always liked Case Keenum. Keenum could become the QB of the future for the Texans. It's possible. But I don't think an organization can count on Keenum becoming that guy. Which is why I advocate for drafting a QB this year. Preferably, someone who fits the current mold of athletic QBs. If Keenum beats him out, great. But I don't think the Texans should put all of their eggs in a UDFA's basket.

gwallaia
01-14-2013, 09:28 PM
I am huge Cougar fan and Keenum fan and I will say only one thing about him, he is one of the smartest players and best decision makers I have ever seen as a college QB.

I don't know if he has what it takes to make it as a NFL player but I definetly think he will be a college coach when his NFL career is over.

WolverineFan
01-14-2013, 09:34 PM
Which is why I advocate for drafting a QB this year. Preferably, someone who fits the current mold of athletic QBs. If Keenum beats him out, great. But I don't think the Texans should put all of their eggs in a UDFA's basket.

If that's what you're looking for then this year is not the year. Geno Smith fits the mold but he will go in the top 10 and he's not worth it. E.J. Manuel does too but I'm not a fan of his pro prospects. His meltdown against Florida was epic.

Would have been nice if Tajh Boyd had come out. Next year he will and perhaps Terry Bridgewater will as well. Then again, so will A.J. McCarron. Next year will be a much better year for drafting QB.

Hervoyel
01-14-2013, 09:40 PM
Step back and look at the thread objectively. Look at the board objectively. By and large people are not happy with the play of Matt Schaub. Now this doesn't mean a damn thing as far as the Texans are concerned because they've committed to Schaub financially and they're not about to listen to what a bunch of grumpy fans have to say anyway, nor should they.

We're going to kick this stuff around until they get back into camp and when that happens and the preseason games start up, well that's when every mistake Matt makes will start an argument and every positive play Yates or Keenum makes will light a fire. There's no competition in 2013 for the starting QB position. That's a fact. If Schaub falters though that won't make a lot of difference to the people paying for the tickets if they think a better option is sitting on the bench.

TEXANRED
01-14-2013, 09:44 PM
Have to admit I don't regularly listen (vs. read) press conferences, but...

Listening to Kubiak on 610 just now, Coach Kubiak's voice was that same monotone he has when talking about Schaub & Yates. I detected a bit of disappointment in Yates(?)

When asked about Case Keenum his voice just lit up:

--Really emphasized how impressed he is with Keenum

--Big arm, no problems with that arm, plus he's confident in it

--Smart, hard working, prepped for games exactly like Schaub/Yates

--Can't wait to get to do more work with him

--Need to work on his finding windows to throw through

Do we already have our next QB in house? Could it be that easy/lucky?
Keenum our next QB? We already have one Romo.

76Texan
01-14-2013, 09:44 PM
The Coogs O-line has never been all that good throughout Keenum's career, and his defenses have always been terrible until late in the 2011 season.

And yet, when you pull up all the names of the QBs that were drafted recently, including Luck and RG III and look at how Keenum played against common opponents, you will see that his production was outstanding.

I had done some research before (even though I may miss a game or two), Keenum was always as good or better despite seeing more pressure than the other guys.

The list is very long. Besides Luck and RG III, you can add Weeden, Mallett, Foles, Osweler, etc. (basically most QBs from the PAC 10 and Big 12) and some from other conferences as well.

Obviously, nobody knows whether he can sustain the beating or not; otherwise, everything indicates that he can play.

powda
01-14-2013, 09:48 PM
Step back and look at the thread objectively. Look at the board objectively. By and large people are not happy with the play of Matt Schaub. Now this doesn't mean a damn thing as far as the Texans are concerned because they've committed to Schaub financially and they're not about to listen to what a bunch of grumpy fans have to say anyway, nor should they.

We're going to kick this stuff around until they get back into camp and when that happens and the preseason games start up, well that's when every mistake Matt makes will start an argument and every positive play Yates or Keenum makes will light a fire. There's no competition in 2013 for the starting QB position. That's a fact. If Schaub falters though that won't make a lot of difference to the people paying for the tickets if they think a better option is sitting on the bench.

I distinctly remember so many arguments about Carr before Capers got the boot...

Look ahead there in the water, is that an iceberg?

Rey
01-14-2013, 09:49 PM
Keenum had seen a lot of different formations between Briles and Sumlin.
The Coogs had 2 and even 3 back sets back then with Briles, including the I.
They still do, except they hardly used it lately.

They also had 2-Te sets back then.

There are game films out there with Keenum running the bootleg play action pass out of the straight I for TD.

With a year rehashing it, I think he will be ready next year - crossing my fingers.

I wasn't talking formations per se, but rather offensive style.

And it's not that I don't think he can do it, I just think he'd do better in a system like NE or new Orleans or learning behind manning...somewhere he could spread it around more and work with a quicker tempo.

I wonder if kubiak would let him play out of the spread formation or 3 wide.

I mean, when we were going hurry up yesterday schaub actually looked to the sideline and shrugged his shoulders because he didn't know what to run. It's like we didn't even practice or discuss that kind of situation. He should really be at a point in his career where he can go to the line and make a call in that situation. We shouldn't have to relay plays in after every snap.

That was kind of discouraging. Thats the fastest we can move as an offense?

If that's the most freedom kubiak is going to give his qb's then I think he is limiting a player lime case and potentially limiting schaub.

If that's how he's going to handle his qb's then a Michael Vick or Tony romo Romo type may indeed be a better fit. Someone with mobility, a good arm but needs the reigns put on their decision making.

76Texan
01-14-2013, 09:53 PM
I wasn't talking formations per se, but rather offensive style.

And it's not that I don't think he can do it, I just think he'd do better in a system like NE or new Orleans or learning behind manning...somewhere he could spread it around more and work with a quicker tempo.

I wonder if kubiak would let him play out of the spread formation or 3 wide.

I mean, when we were going hurry up yesterday schaub actually looked to the sideline and shrugged his shoulders because he didn't know what to run. It's like we didn't even practice or discuss that kind of situation. He should really be at a point in his career where he can go to the line and make a call in that situation. We shouldn't have to relay plays in after every snap.

That was kind of discouraging. Thats the fastest we can move as an offense?

If that's the most freedom kubiak is going to give his qb's then I think he is limiting a player lime case and potentially limiting schaub.

If that's how he's going to handle his qb's then a Michael Vick or Tony romo Romo type may indeed be a better fit. Someone with mobility, a good arm but needs the reigns put on their decision making.

I think Kubiak will adjust.
Look how the Shanahans adjust and even add the option read for RG III in Washington.

Rey
01-14-2013, 09:55 PM
If that's what you're looking for then this year is not the year. Geno Smith fits the mold but he will go in the top 10 and he's not worth it. E.J. Manuel does too but I'm not a fan of his pro prospects. His meltdown against Florida was epic.

Would have been nice if Tajh Boyd had come out. Next year he will and perhaps Terry Bridgewater will as well. Then again, so will A.J. McCarron. Next year will be a much better year for drafting QB.

I didn't see the Florida game, but Manuel does not look like anything special to me. He looks like a more mobile, way less refined Matt schaub.

Rey
01-14-2013, 09:58 PM
I think Kubiak will adjust.
Look how the Shanahans adjust and even add the option read for RG III in Washington.

I don't know man...

He won't even let schaub go free much...you think hes going to allow Keenum that kind of freedom and adjust his offense for him?

Next year I really hope he starts to open up the offense more and lets schaub have more freedom.

76Texan
01-14-2013, 10:07 PM
I don't know man...

He won't even let schaub go free much...you think hes going to allow Keenum that kind of freedom and adjust his offense for him?

Next year I really hope he starts to open up the offense more and lets schaub have more freedom.

I never think of Schaub as a guy with high football IQ.

It's sad to say that Keenum can diagnose potential blitzes and coverage switches faster and better than Schaub in his first few years here (and even right now.)

I don't think I've ever seen Keenum got sacked by a free blitzer.

And I'm not sure I remember an instance when Schaub took advantage of a free play on a defensive offside (I maybe wrong here but does anybody remember?)

On the other hand, it was pretty much automatic with Keenum, and mostly, he would take a shot deep on those free plays. And he did these things from early on in his career, too!

CloakNNNdagger
01-14-2013, 10:07 PM
Keenum our next QB? We already have one Romo.

????????Granted it was in college, but Keenum had a 70% completion rate, 155 passing TDs (with additional 23 rushing TDs) / 46 INTs, 160 QB rating

Texan_Bill
01-14-2013, 10:09 PM
I think a lot of guys are blinded when it comes to Keenum. They can't see him objectively because of where he comes from.

What?? Abilene means people are blinded???

Texan_Bill
01-14-2013, 10:11 PM
????????Granted it was in college, but Keenum had a 70% completion rate, 155 passing TDs (with additional 23 rushing TDs) / 46 INTs, 160 QB rating

Sir... You need to excuse your Kansas ass (IIRC) from this Texas conversation......


:thinking:


On the other hand....... NO YOU DON'T!!!!!

Texan_Bill
01-14-2013, 10:15 PM
I never think of Schaub as a guy with high football IQ.


Actually John, I disagree with this. I think Schuab actually is pretty "football smart"... In fact, Seth Payne tweeted something earlier today about Schaub being quite football-smart, but hampered by Kube's overbearing system.

ThaJokaa
01-14-2013, 10:17 PM
I doubt it's his height that's keeping him back. There's got to be more to it than just his height.

Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are "short."

I think it had to do with playing in C-USA, a lot of doubters, but he still broke NCAA passing records

Texan_Bill
01-14-2013, 10:19 PM
I think it had to do with playing in C-USA, a lot of doubters, but he still broke NCAA passing records

JUP!!! Pretty much this and the fact that people perceive him as a "system Quarterback"!

Norg
01-14-2013, 10:21 PM
yeah it is ...but will this next QB get us to the promise land I dont know ..????

Texcore
01-14-2013, 10:27 PM
I don't think the QB we NEED to take us to the promise land under Kubes is on this roster. I seriously don't. But I'd rather go with Yates or Keenum over Shaub since we know he is not the answer.

ThaJokaa
01-14-2013, 10:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=xVlMNrHct2I&NR=1

I mean 9 TDs in 1 game? ONE GAME!!

Norg
01-14-2013, 10:34 PM
sadly Kubes is bassicaly our QB and he uses

Schaub
Yates
and
Keenum

has his robtic arm and if aint broke dont change it in Kubes eyes 12 wins and a PLayoff wins aint broke so i expect Schaub to be our QB next year with a shorter leash on thats about it

Texcore
01-14-2013, 10:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=xVlMNrHct2I&NR=1

I mean 9 TDs in 1 game? ONE GAME!!

Thats college...against Rice. Doesn't translate to the NFL.

ThaJokaa
01-14-2013, 10:40 PM
Doesnt matter, its still pretty impressive to throw 9 TDs

TEXANRED
01-14-2013, 10:46 PM
????????Granted it was in college, but Keenum had a 70% completion rate, 155 passing TDs (with additional 23 rushing TDs) / 46 INTs, 160 QB rating

And nobody drafted him.

Texcore
01-14-2013, 10:59 PM
Doesnt matter, its still pretty impressive to throw 9 TDs

Perhaps, but its still against Rice...

And it doesn't tell how well he will do in the NFL. Impress me in the NFL I say.

MEGA SWATT
01-14-2013, 11:34 PM
Some sources say he's 6', others 6'1" and others 6'2". That's in the Drew Brees to Joe Montana/Steve Young range......:ant:

I'm intrigued by a mobile qb, with a strong/accurate arm.

ajohnson80
01-14-2013, 11:40 PM
Perhaps, but its still against Rice...

And it doesn't tell how well he will do in the NFL. Impress me in the NFL I say.

Alot of guys played against Rice, but they didn't have 9 tds. Kurt Warner lit up arena league playing against what you guys would call scrubs and that translated. just sayin

Brisco_County
01-15-2013, 01:00 AM
The main criticisms of Keenum by scouts were commonly related to the unknown factors. He never did a three or five step drop. He didn't play under center. He played in a spread offense. He was a system QB.

To me, those reasons aren't good enough to dismiss his upside. His accuracy at least qualifies him for a shot as a backup.

Another reason he went undrafted is because his throwing performance at the combine was affected by a hamstring pull.

For the 24-year-old, Monday was about showcasing his true abilities after being hampered by a hamstring injury at the NFL scouting combine in February. The Abilene native revealed that he strained his right hamstring running his second 40-yard dash at the combine and that it affected his throwing during drills. On Monday, there were no ill effects from the injury, as Keenum whizzed pass after pass to receivers on a variety of patterns, showed capable arm strength and displayed his athleticism with a 4.31-second time in the 20-yard shuttle and 6.89 seconds in the three-cone drill. He also put up a solid 18 repetitions on the bench press. "It was very important for me to show these guys that (at the combine), that was not me," Keenum said. "I have very high standards for myself and I believe in my abilities tremendously and I think I wasn't at my best. I wanted to go out there and compete. That's what I do."

Link (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=75061&draftyear=2012&genpos=QB).

And he fully intends to be a starter in the league:

"I'm blessed to be where I'm at, obviously," he said. "But content? No. I won't be content to be a backup. I won't be content just being a starter. I won't be content with just playing. I want to be a big part of the team, and I want to contribute and win games and win championships."

Link (http://www.reporternews.com/news/2012/dec/29/keenum-making-most-of-opportunities-on-texans/) (to a good article).

ObsiWan
01-15-2013, 01:58 AM
It is obvious that Schaub will be under center at the beginning of next season, his job essentially protected by his guaranteed 2nd year contract......and the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990. It would not surprise me at all, though, if Keenum claims #2.
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Texn4life
01-15-2013, 02:17 AM
I definitely am curious how he develops from year 1 to 2. I have no confidence in Yates whatsoever to develop into a top 10 starter in the league. I'm a huge Tyler Wilson fan though and would love to draft him.

leebigeztx
01-15-2013, 05:25 AM
Case is not an nfl qb. His arm is average, he was injury prone to boot.

Brisco_County
01-15-2013, 07:01 AM
Case is not an nfl qb. His arm is average, he was injury prone to boot.

Even as a backup?

TexanSam
01-15-2013, 07:48 AM
Case is not an nfl qb. His arm is average, he was injury prone to boot.

He had one injury in college and his arm looks decent enough. Better than we have now.

Chances are he's not our future QB. I'm not sure how many teams in the NFL have had an undrafted player as their starting QB, but not many I'm sure. But maybe he'll surprise people. I'm interested to see him in the preseason.

deucetx
01-15-2013, 07:50 AM
Case is not an nfl qb. His arm is average, he was injury prone to boot.

Heh got to have a bit more reasoning than this because you just described Matt Schaub lol.

As for Keenum, who knows. I like his approach and personality but to achieve what he seeks will take a lot of hard work on his part. Will say much about his character if he can pull it off and becoming something in this league. I'll be rooting for the kid to get it done but all is against him on this one. But you never know what can happen. We have heard stranger stories taking place.

BullNation4Life
01-15-2013, 08:11 AM
The main criticisms of Keenum by scouts were commonly related to the unknown factors. He never did a three or five step drop. He didn't play under center. He played in a spread offense. He was a system QB.

In Bold: I think that is such BS! Not the post but the fact that he didn't play under center so he didn't get evaluated. I know you are correct on the statement because it happens every year, but the fact "experts" say just because he didn't play under center, he cannot play?

How many times do you see Manning under center? As for a "system" QB, nobody is a bigger "system" QB than Tom Brady. Matt Cassell proved that fact by going 11-5 for NE then doing nothing outside the Pats system offense. Rodgers, Rothlisberger, Rivers take the majority of their snaps in a shotgun formation.

If a HC and OC are smart and can check their egos, which is asking allot, they build an offense around the QB that is effective and productive, like Carroll did in Seattle, like Shannahan did in Washington. That is why you will not see that kind of QB under Kubiak. He won't change his offense to fit his talent, and he is too egotistic to create an offense to the QB's strengths...

Texecutioner
01-15-2013, 08:46 AM
In Bold: I think that is such BS! Not the post but the fact that he didn't play under center so he didn't get evaluated. I know you are correct on the statement because it happens every year, but the fact "experts" say just because he didn't play under center, he cannot play?

How many times do you see Manning under center? As for a "system" QB, nobody is a bigger "system" QB than Tom Brady. Matt Cassell proved that fact by going 11-5 for NE then doing nothing outside the Pats system offense. Rodgers, Rothlisberger, Rivers take the majority of their snaps in a shotgun formation.


Ever heard of Charlie Weiss? Josh Mcdaniels? Bill O'Brien? You know who these guys are? Three completely different OC's the Patriots have had.

That's "three different offensive systems" that Tom Brady has had to play with a plethora of different weapons in all of those systems he played in. Hell, he's gone back and forth into Mcdaniels system to O'Brien, and then back to Mcdaniels system this season just this season.

You are completely off base here and have no freaking idea about Tom Brady and the Patriots to say that he's nothing but a system QB. If anything he is the most anti system QB in this league considering the fact that he has flourished in 3 different systems, and not just one like you tried to insinuate. BB is a defensive minded coach and always has been. If you want to blast Kubiak and Schaub at least use some examples that illustrate what you're trying to convey.


If a HC and OC are smart and can check their egos, which is asking allot, they build an offense around the QB that is effective and productive, like Carroll did in Seattle, like Shannahan did in Washington. That is why you will not see that kind of QB under Kubiak. He won't change his offense to fit his talent, and he is too egotistic to create an offense to the QB's strengths...


This part may actually be true, but you don't know that for sure. I tend to think it is, Shanahan is hardly an example of this.

417Texan
01-15-2013, 08:54 AM
Wonder how far Matt can throw a ball? I like to see him heave one on a field and see what he has.........

WolverineFan
01-15-2013, 09:34 AM
Doesnt matter, its still pretty impressive to throw 9 TDs

Timmy Chang and Colt Brennan did it all the time. Graham Harrell and Kliff Kingsbury did it too. Were you impressed with any of them?

welsh texan
01-15-2013, 09:38 AM
Wonder how far Matt can throw a ball? I like to see him heave one on a field and see what he has.........

Not the best test though tbf, it's about accuracy whilst heaving it, I have no doubt he has the outright strength to throw an impressive distance, can he drop it into the hands of a moving target an impressive distance away though? His lack of confidence to do just that would tell me he can't. When the Texans got the ball back on the last drive you'd think a Hail Mary to AJ followed by an onside kick was the best option. They dinked and dimed and kept the chains (and clock) moving.

Playoffs
01-15-2013, 09:52 AM
Case ...His arm is average...
Based on what? Both Kubiak and Dorrell say Case has a "big arm."

Reports of Case's "weak" arm came from the combine where he pulled his hamstring before throwing. Everything I've read said Keenum dispelled those concerns at his pro day.