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PockyAF
01-14-2013, 06:44 PM
Just heard this nugget on Sports 790:

In 8 games against Rodgers, Stafford, P. Manning, Luck x2, Brady x2, and for ****s and giggles, Henne, the Texans defense allowed 27 TDs and ZERO ints.

Makes you rethink the draft needs, huh?

I, for one, was thinking WR or RT in the first 2 rounds, but holy ****, you've got to be kidding me on this stat. Cushing cannot mean this MUCH to our defense, can he?

I'm thinking ILB & S in round 1 & 2, now.

silvrhand
01-14-2013, 06:47 PM
Just heard this nugget on Sports 790:

In 8 games against Rodgers, Stafford, P. Manning, Luck x2, Brady x2, and for ****s and giggles, Henne, the Texans defense allow 27 TDs and ZERO ints.

Makes you rethink the draft needs, huh?

No shocker there, in those games we got 0 outside pressure from our OLB, which the LB core got crushed this year with injuries, and Connor Barwin all but dissappeared and did his best Mario Williams imitation.

ATXtexanfan
01-14-2013, 06:47 PM
i'm now convinced on the NT upgrade

Lucky
01-14-2013, 06:57 PM
...and Connor Barwin all but dissappeared and did his best Mario Williams imitation.
Williams had his share of underachievment here in Houston. But, he never had a dismal season such as Barwin's. Barwin was lined up half the time next to the best pass rusher in the league. And he could only come up with 3 sacks? To top that, this was a contract year. I'd like to know what happened to this guy.

srrono
01-14-2013, 06:57 PM
Plain and simple the value of Cushing has been seen this year. Watt is the best player on the defense but Cushing is MVP of our defense. Cushing calls the defense never leaves the field and is a beast in the running game and the 2nd best pass rusher on the team. The defense went down hill with his loss.

AJ-80
01-14-2013, 07:08 PM
Shaun Cody is non-existant. He needs to go, let Earl Mitchell take over full time. People really did take Mario for granted last year and thought that Barwin and Reed were better than they really were. Linebacker help is sorely needed. We cant start Ruud in the AFC divisional game and expect to win. As much help as we need at WR I would not be surprised if we drafted Minter out of LSU and expect him to start right away. Either that or resign James for 1 more year to let him grow then put him out there the next year. Shiloh Keo is not worthy of starting, and Brandon Harris was EXTREMELY spotty this year. This was not the same D as the 2011 season, and after Cushing go injured the sloppiness continued, particularly vs. quality teams (PATS)

Maddict5
01-14-2013, 07:12 PM
im actually good with our db's. they do good enough considering how often they're all left in single coverage. the only db that needs upgrading is the demps/keo dime safety. either that or find a way to work harris & brice both into that formation next yr.

all our front 7 not named JJ, antonio & cush need to play better. maybe if we were able to get pressure with 4, wade will ease back on the suicidal blitzing

WolverineFan
01-14-2013, 07:25 PM
We need a playmaking Safety. We don't, and never have, had one. I like Quin, we really need to re-sign him, and Manning is good too. But we run so many Nickel & Dime sets that we need good depth players too. Losing McCain really hurt us in both NE games and the lack of another solid Safety did as well. Demps was awful in both games.

Lucky
01-14-2013, 07:30 PM
We need a playmaking Safety.
Yes, if it keeps Shiloh Keo off the field. Lack of speed, poor angles and instincts, poor tackling technique. And those are his strong points.

dream_team
01-14-2013, 07:44 PM
If we seriously commit any more high draft picks, or majority of the free agency money, to the defense... then I don't want to hear any more complaining about the offense, Schaub, or Kubiak. we can't keep asking the offense to make something out of nothing.

Bulls on Parade
01-14-2013, 07:56 PM
Having Brian Cushing back will fix a lot of the problems, aka the middle of the field being so wide open. When healthy, he's arguably the best MLB in the game. Total beast who can stuff the run and defend the fast TE's in pass coverage downfield. We desperately missed him in that New England game yesterday. He would have completely shut down those Brady passes to Hernandez and the backs.

We didn't have the players to run a proper 3-4 defense once he was lost for the season against the Jets. Not to mention Tim Dobbin's injury hurt our depth big time. We should have switched to a 4-3 given how weak our inside linebackers were due to injuries.

We do need another pass rusher at right end and an upgrade at nose tackle. We can definitely improve up front. Add another playmaker to the defensive line so teams will pay when they use two blockers to slow down J.J. Watt.

What is Antonio Smith's contract status? Does he have another year or two left on it? I like the Ninja but we need to upgrade over him eventually. The guy we need is sadly, going to go number one overall in the 2014 draft. We'd have to trade up or have a bad season in 2013 to land him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC44nP7ClxM

Tell me you guys haven't had wet dreams at night thinking about this beast playing alongside Watt and Cushing for the next decade? We'd be an unstoppable force. Not to mention Mercilus, as I have high hopes for him yet.

Bulls on Parade
01-14-2013, 08:03 PM
Cushing cannot mean this MUCH to our defense, can he?
Yes, he can. I considered him the heart and soul of our defense even though J.J. Watt is our best defensive player and the defensive player of the year in the entire NFL. Look at the impact Ray Lewis is having on the Ravens during his emotional return for this year's playoffs. He's not even half the player he used to be talent wise but just having Ray Lewis changes the entire attitude of that team. A healthy Brian Cushing, is in my opinion, the best MLB/ILB in the game.

PockyAF
01-14-2013, 08:14 PM
Yes, he can. I considered him the heart and soul of our defense even though J.J. Watt is our best defensive player and the defensive player of the year in the entire NFL. Look at the impact Ray Lewis is having on the Ravens during his emotional return for this year's playoffs. He's not even half the player he used to be talent wise but just having Ray Lewis changes the entire attitude of that team. A healthy Brian Cushing, is in my opinion, the best MLB/ILB in the game.

Nope. Ain't buying it.

Yea, he means alot to our team. But enough to have that huge of a drop-off from last year? For our defense to give up 27 TD - 0 Ints against those 6 QBs?

If you think that, then our D's problems will all go away and will regain 2010 form. That if we had Cushing, we wouldn't had our *******s torn apart by the elite QBs. If that's true, Then we DON'T need to address defense in the first 2 rounds of the draft.

But, if you truly think that everything will be fine with just Cushing back, then you're freaking' nuts.

eriadoc
01-14-2013, 08:23 PM
I'm not saying we don't need help on defense. Losing Ryans and Cushing killed the ILB position. Losing Barwin to a season ending suckfest killed the OLB position. But here's the thing - the rules are set up so that QBs like the ones you mentioned are going to get theirs. So even if the defense had been better, those QBs were going to get yards and TDs. So we need an offense that has a QB that can get TDs.

ArlingtonTexan
01-14-2013, 08:28 PM
Williams had his share of underachievment here in Houston. But, he never had a dismal season such as Barwin's. Barwin was lined up half the time next to the best pass rusher in the league. And he could only come up with 3 sacks? To top that, this was a contract year. I'd like to know what happened to this guy.

Lance Z. has said on a couple occassions that Barwin lead the league in untouched sacks with 7 in 2011. Claims that most of these were from a particular stunt that the Texans used well 2011 that team figured out in 2012.

short answer..2011 may have been the fraud season.

Texan_Bill
01-14-2013, 08:39 PM
No shocker there, in those games we got 0 outside pressure from our OLB, which the LB core got crushed this year with injuries, and Connor Barwin all but dissappeared and did his best Mario Williams imitation.

Wait.... what???? Barwin and Williams aren't the same guy??? I've never seen the two guys in the same place at the same time....

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That said, I know every team experiences injuries, but the Texans defense was seriously disadvantaged without Cushing and the extremely dessimated at the ILB position coupled with JJo's lingering groin injury.

Conclusion?
Not Bulls on Charade let alone Bulls on Parade. Somewhere in between.


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With regards to the offense, CnD nailed the tapering off of Schaub as a result of the Linsfranc injury as the season progressed. Those that never read that post (or series of posts), highly recommended reading.

He may never be 100% again. I would recommend to the Texans that they draft a QB in the 3rd round or so. First round should be an ILB or WR and the second round should be an ILB or a WR....

AJ-80
01-14-2013, 08:42 PM
First round should be an ILB or WR and the second round should be an ILB or a WR....

Completely agree with this. If management chooses to do anything else its a terrible decision.

WolverineFan
01-14-2013, 08:47 PM
Completely agree with this. If management chooses to do anything else its a terrible decision.

What if we draft a 1st round Safety and he turns into an All-Pro. Bad decision?

Kubiak has stated they will be going BPA at the top of the draft and filling needs as it progresses.

Premier
01-14-2013, 08:54 PM
the peyton manning game i remember about 4 dropped INTs, balls that literally hit our dbs in the hands and were just dropped.. against stafford alan ball dropped a TD saving pick. rodgers and brady seemed to always be throwing to open guys..

if youre drafting DBs should we expect any of them to come in and immediately make an impact. pass rush and ILB are where we should draft. someone to beast onlong side cush or d-line help. someone that can make an impact, not sit for a year like merci did..

AJ-80
01-14-2013, 08:58 PM
What if we draft a 1st round Safety and he turns into an All-Pro. Bad decision?

Kubiak has stated they will be going BPA at the top of the draft and filling needs as it progresses.
Did you see the way the defense changed when Cushing got injured? If Bradie James does't get resigned, which is a good possibility, then you have Cushing and Barrett Ruud. Sorry, but you will not win a super bowl with Barrett Ruud as your starting ILB. Ruud is a serviceable backup. Same goes with Dobbins. Sharpton has proven that he is pretty much incapable of playing good football. We need a stud like Minter from LSU to finally fill the hole that has been there since we let DeMeco go last season.

WolverineFan
01-14-2013, 09:08 PM
Did you see the way the defense changed when Cushing got injured? If Bradie James does't get resigned, which is a good possibility, then you have Cushing and Barrett Ruud. Sorry, but you will not win a super bowl with Barrett Ruud as your starting ILB. Ruud is a serviceable backup. Same goes with Dobbins. Sharpton has proven that he is pretty much incapable of playing good football. We need a stud like Minter from LSU to finally fill the hole that has been there since we let DeMeco go last season.

I agree that ILB is a need and it was a huge problem this year. That had more to do with Cushing going down than James or Dobbins. Those guys are serviceable. The other ILB comes off the field on 3rd down when we go Nickel. You going to use a 1st round pick on a guy who only plays 2 downs?

Look at San Francisco. Used 1st round picks on their stud MIKE (Willis) and their stud pass rusher (Smith). We did the same with Cushing and Watt. And hopefully Mercilus. Their other stud ILB was a 3rd round pick.

Even if you draft Minter he's not going to replace Cushing. He's still eventually a two-down player. If you draft a DB like Matt Elam (S, Florida)....he may not start and would only play in Nickel/Dime packages but he would eventually supplant Manning.

*I would also like to point out that the defense was more than serviceable, elite really, with James at ILB up until Cushing went down.

blitz90
01-14-2013, 09:28 PM
Bulls on Parade? More like Fools on Parade!

AJ-80
01-14-2013, 09:31 PM
Bulls on Parade? More like Fools on Parade!

:wadepalm:

fiasco west
01-14-2013, 09:33 PM
What if we draft a 1st round Safety and he turns into an All-Pro. Bad decision?

Kubiak has stated they will be going BPA at the top of the draft and filling needs as it progresses.

Completely agree with the safety thing.

If you asked me "If you could draft a all-pro at any position outside of QB what position would it be?"

I'd say FS.

Look at the past great defenses, the Steelers and Ravens. They have had some of the best Safeties and so has past great defenses.

At the very least a ball hawking guy. Maybe Jairus Byrd? I haven't seen much of his game though...

But the point is, Texans get beat deep a lot because QBs don't even respect our safeties outside of Quinn. Just throw it up there, you'll get a P.I or a wide open 40+ yard pass.

Also, on the fly he can cover TEs.

We need another dynamic player up the middle on defense though. Whether it's a new NT that can constantly get a push up the middle, a new ILB, or a Safety...I'd take any.

I think the pass rush will get better naturally if we get any one of those three.

redwhiteblue
01-14-2013, 09:43 PM
more like Field Goals on Parade

Texan_Bill
01-14-2013, 09:49 PM
Bulls on Parade? More like Fools on Parade!

While I'm not really keen on the whole "Bulls on Parade" mantra for the Texans (disclosure: love the actual song from RATM), this is pretty much the dumbest post I've read in 2013!!!


Feel honored, for being this year's "dumbest post ever" (for 2013). Don't fret! You'll get washed pretty quick!! Enjoy the honor for now!

Doppelganger
01-14-2013, 10:01 PM
Plain and simple the value of Cushing has been seen this year. Watt is the best player on the defense but Cushing is MVP of our defense. Cushing calls the defense never leaves the field and is a beast in the running game and the 2nd best pass rusher on the team. The defense went down hill with his loss.

Yes. Think about all the times in the NE game where Brady called a quick play while the Texans D were still screwing around getting into position. Cush would never let the D do that as he would have them in position ready to go.

Texan_Bill
01-14-2013, 10:04 PM
Yes. Think about all the times in the NE game where Brady called a quick play while the Texans D were still screwing around getting into position. Cush would never let the D do that as he would have them in position ready to go AND READY to stick someone in the head!.

Yessir!!! BTW, I also added to what you stated.

powda
01-14-2013, 10:24 PM
The other ILB comes off the field on 3rd down when we go Nickel. You going to use a 1st round pick on a guy who only plays 2 downs?


Bingo.

Why waste such a commodity (#1pick) on a player who's barely on the field? You want depth add a free agent or a 3-4th round pick. We'd actually get far more use out of a 3rd safety as we USE them and it might free up manning to be a full time kick returner. I'd love to see a legit monster nose tackle as well. Line him and cody up with all the others on a goaline defense and if it saves just a couple of scores over the course of a season it's probably worth it.

As far as barwin,

You can look like Kramer if you think its hip and you have the hair to do it, but you can't name a defense if you play like toilet juice.

WolverineFan
01-14-2013, 10:30 PM
I'd love to see a legit monster nose tackle as well. Line him and cody up with all the others on a goaline defense and if it saves just a couple of scores over the course of a season it's probably worth it.

That guy is here in this draft, but we have no shot at him.

Star Loutelei - DT, Utah

Guy has the size and can stuff the run and rush the passer. Very versatile across the front too.

CloakNNNdagger
01-14-2013, 10:43 PM
i'm now convinced on the NT upgrade

Everyone except the Texans are convinced. How much pressure have we gotten from our NTs? How many tackles? How many sacks?

Shaun Cody>>>>31 tackles>>>>>>2 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

Earl Mitchell>>>>17 tackles>>>>>>3 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

Totals>>>>>>>>58 tackles>>>>>>5 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

:hankpalm:

Rey
01-14-2013, 11:04 PM
That guy is here in this draft, but we have no shot at him.

Star Loutelei - DT, Utah

Guy has the size and can stuff the run and rush the passer. Very versatile across the front too.

This might be a good draft to trade up for an instant impact player. Maybe star is too far out of reach, but maybe someone else...

Or maybe include Tate in a package to sweeten the deal and get a little higher...

Norg
01-14-2013, 11:26 PM
in this day of age of Free agency yall know we will not be able to fix all our problems for both D and O thats why i think we should fix one problem at a time fix the SPecial teams and Offensive and if our D struggles fix that in 2014

infantrycak
01-14-2013, 11:31 PM
Everyone except the Texans are convinced. How much pressure have we gotten from our NTs? How many tackles? How many sacks?

Shaun Cody>>>>31 tackles>>>>>>2 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

Earl Mitchell>>>>17 tackles>>>>>>3 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

Totals>>>>>>>>58 tackles>>>>>>5 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

:hankpalm:

Mitchell had a FF.

Isaac Sopoaga San Francisco NT - 27 tackles, 0 FF, 0 FR, 0 PD, 1 sack

Casey Hampton Pittsburgh NT - 26 tackles, 0 FF, 0 FR, 0 TD, 0 sacks - 5 time probowler.

ArlingtonTexan
01-14-2013, 11:32 PM
Everyone except the Texans are convinced. How much pressure have we gotten from our NTs? How many tackles? How many sacks?

Shaun Cody>>>>31 tackles>>>>>>2 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

Earl Mitchell>>>>17 tackles>>>>>>3 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

Totals>>>>>>>>58 tackles>>>>>>5 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

:hankpalm:

i don't know the perecentage of time, but more than not the first person(s) out when the Texans go to the 4-2-5- is the NT. Watt and smith play DT and Olbs play DE. Not saying that these guys should not have lucked into a sack or so even out of base defense, but currently the NTs in Wade's system really are not fulltime players either alone or as a group.

Texcore
01-14-2013, 11:33 PM
Yes, he can. I considered him the heart and soul of our defense even though J.J. Watt is our best defensive player and the defensive player of the year in the entire NFL. Look at the impact Ray Lewis is having on the Ravens during his emotional return for this year's playoffs. He's not even half the player he used to be talent wise but just having Ray Lewis changes the entire attitude of that team. A healthy Brian Cushing, is in my opinion, the best MLB/ILB in the game.

To think having Cush would of solved our problems is asinine. We got out-coached first of all, AND our QB cannot go score for score with the other top QBs in this league. Having Cush back will be nice, but its not a game changer.

Bulls on Parade
01-15-2013, 12:13 AM
To think having Cush would of solved our problems is asinine. We got out-coached first of all, AND our QB cannot go score for score with the other top QBs in this league. Having Cush back will be nice, but its not a game changer.
I thought our defense played well against the Patriots yesterday. As well as they can play given their overall talent level. We held them down quite a few times in that first half. And that's saying something against the highest-scoring team in the league and on the road.

I feel it was deflating to our team morale to be down 17-13 at halftime. The Texans had chances to score more points and they should have led this game at halftime. That 3rd quarter (losing it 14-0) was the difference in the game. We had one bad quarter on defense, or at least one I would deem unacceptable, and that was the ball game given our offensive struggles. Put Cushing in there, I have even more confidence we could have played a strong defensive game for all four quarters, a la the game at Baltimore last season in the divisional round.

dream_team
01-15-2013, 12:46 AM
First of all, I want to see our first rounder used on an offensive player. We need another playmaker at TE or WR. I would even be ok with drafting a RT.

But if we had to go defense, ILB is not the spot. Like others have mentioned, the ILB opposite Cushing doesn't play many snaps. If you understand our defense, we play alot of man coverage to try to take away the quick pass. That way, the blitz has some time to get to the QB. If that pass rush isn't getting to the QB, then our DBs are exposed for big plays. I truly believe the demise of our defense this season is all on the regression of Reed & Barwin. Sure, Cushing will help, as he's a better pass rusher than Bradie or Dobbins. But our defense desperately needs a pass rusher from the outside, because Watt is getting double too many times.

I'm hoping Mercilus will step up next season, as I don't think Barwin will get re-signed. But if we had to go defense in the first round, I'd like to see yet another pass rusher come on board.

Vance87
01-15-2013, 01:11 AM
Why is none of this Wade's fault? Just wondering.

ObsiWan
01-15-2013, 01:50 AM
Why is none of this Wade's fault? Just wondering.
Good question. Especially when you consider Brady put up a 40-burger on Wade's D in both games....

Maybe it was not having Cushing out there to bark instructions
orrrr... maybe it was the fact that Brady practices against a 3-4 front seven that's just flat better than ours EVERY WEEK. I kinda think Wade didn't show Brady anything he hadn't already seen in practice. Remember Belichick's previous job was D coordinator. So Belichick probably dissected Wade's philosophy and our personnel and showed Brady what to expect. And when/if Wade didn't really do anything new Brady probably knew what was coming.
And if Brady knows what's coming.....

dream_team
01-15-2013, 02:03 AM
Why is none of this Wade's fault? Just wondering.

A lot of it is Wade's fault. The fact that Ruud is covering RBs lined up as receivers are on him. The fact that the defense wasn't prepared for the quick snap is on him. The fact that Harris is covering their #1 receiver is on him.

Premier
01-15-2013, 02:57 AM
The fact that the defense wasn't prepared for the quick snap is on him.

kubiak said they prepared for this, i guess its different when practicing against matt schaub vs real game against brady.. schaub isnt going to execute anything remotely close to the way brady and those receivers will.


A lot of it is Wade's fault. The fact that Ruud is covering RBs lined up as receivers are on him.

This is ruuds best attribute, the ability to stay in coverage against rb's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-lqEhdR-ME
i remember him making a game saving play against petigrew in detroit. hes a journeyman he really doesnt have too much business taking most of the snaps. but the texans were hurt at ILB, there was rudd and james, that was it..

The fact that Harris is covering their #1 receiver is on him.
i will have to see who harris lined up against, i would think welker but i know wade had jjo on welker some and even kareem. those guys are going to get open against man, everyone got picked on. we got no pressure on brady..

BigBull17
01-15-2013, 11:16 AM
No shocker there, in those games we got 0 outside pressure from our OLB, which the LB core got crushed this year with injuries, and Connor Barwin all but dissappeared and did his best Mario Williams imitation.

Except Mario was never that invisible. He would at least have a game where he crushed a TE or two. Barwin did absolutely zero.

Shaun Cody is non-existant. He needs to go, let Earl Mitchell take over full time. People really did take Mario for granted last year and thought that Barwin and Reed were better than they really were. Linebacker help is sorely needed. We cant start Ruud in the AFC divisional game and expect to win. As much help as we need at WR I would not be surprised if we drafted Minter out of LSU and expect him to start right away. Either that or resign James for 1 more year to let him grow then put him out there the next year. Shiloh Keo is not worthy of starting, and Brandon Harris was EXTREMELY spotty this year. This was not the same D as the 2011 season, and after Cushing go injured the sloppiness continued, particularly vs. quality teams (PATS)

I would love to keep Rudd for depth. I think he did a decent job considering when we got him. Just cant be your starter.

I'm not saying we don't need help on defense. Losing Ryans and Cushing killed the ILB position. Losing Barwin to a season ending suckfest killed the OLB position. But here's the thing - the rules are set up so that QBs like the ones you mentioned are going to get theirs. So even if the defense had been better, those QBs were going to get yards and TDs. So we need an offense that has a QB that can get TDs.

Get theirs, yes. To the tune of 27 tds-0 int's? That's not getting yours, that's getting it prison style.