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Marcus
01-14-2013, 01:44 PM
Link (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/01/myers-watt-come-to-schaubs-defense/)

As the inevitable radio talk show discussion focuses on Texans quarterback Matt Schaub’s performance after the Texans’ loss to the Patriots and some fans wonder if he’s the answer, Pro Bowl lineman J.J. Watt dismissed the critics with the same force he swats away passes.

Texans Pro Bowl offensive linemen Duane Brown and Chris Myers also had Schaub’s back Monday afternoon, adamantly defending their starting quarterback from the peanut gallery with the same force they display while blocking for him on Sundays.

“Have they ever been in his shoes?” Watt said of the critics. “If you want to sit here and question our quarterback, that’s fine. But every guy in this room believes in him. We all trust and believe that he can take us there. We’re not going to listen to what the outside world says.”

Schaub was not available to the media when the Texans cleaned out their lockers Monday morning, but it didn’t take him very long to face questions.

Schaub, who does a radio show each Monday morning as part of the Texans’ broadcast affiliation with KILT610 AM, addressed the doubts during his appearance.

“If anyone out there, any listeners, have lost confidence in me or this team, I don’t know what to say to them,” he said on his show. “Everyone in this locker room gave it up as much as we could for each other, for our team, for our organization, for our city.

“Ultimately, we didn’t make enough plays in that ballgame to win the game, but we’re going to go right back to the drawing board, right back to that wall. We’re going to bust through it one of these days.”

Brown, who is in charge of protecting Schaub’s blind side, sees the criticism as part of a quarterback’s life.

As far as Brown is concerned, the entire Texans share blame for the loss in New England.

“Being the quarterback, people are going to take their shots,” Brown said. “It’s not on him at all. We had plenty of opportunities to make plays. He put the ball in some great spots. Plays weren’t made and we didn’t get the running game going as well as we could have had up front.

“So it’s not on him. Like I said, being a quarterback people tend to point fingers at him first, but he’s been a great leader and a great player for us all year. It’s definitely not his fault that we lost that game.”

Moreover, Myers said Monday morning quarterbacking “is the way this league works. (Critics) will pick on the quarterback and the head coach when things don’t go well.”

“If the ball had bounced our way and he would have had the same stats, nobody would have cared about (Schaub’s second-half interception that set up a Patriots scoring drive). … That is the way it works. Matt is our guy. He’s our team captain, and that’s always going to be. Whatever happens, as players on this team, he is our leader.”

Gotta admit, legitimate points made.

Hagar
01-14-2013, 01:46 PM
The view is different inside the whirlwind.

I'm glad they are sticking up for thier teammate publically. I'd like to know what they are saying privately.

Vinny
01-14-2013, 01:47 PM
time for a group hug

Marcus
01-14-2013, 02:04 PM
Look, I myself would like to see a change at QB. I don't like his lack of mobility. I don't like his lack of arm strength. I don't like his runaway bootlegs.

But having said that, what happened to the freaking running game? It wasn't anywhere close to what it was last year.

To say that didn't have any effect on Schaub's play is ludicrous.

b0ng
01-14-2013, 02:06 PM
Look, I myself would like to see a change at QB. I don't like his lack of mobility. I don't like his lack of arm strength. I don't like his runaway bootlegs.

But having said that, what happened to the freaking running game? It wasn't anywhere close to what it was last year.

To say that didn't have any effect on Schaub's play is ludicrous.

I'd contend that the defense regressed just as much, if not more than the running game did from last year.

Vinny
01-14-2013, 02:07 PM
Look, I myself would like to see a change at QB. I don't like his lack of mobility. I don't like his lack of arm strength. I don't like his runaway bootlegs.

But having said that, what happened to the freaking running game? It wasn't anywhere close to what it was last year.

To say that didn't have any effect on Schaub's play is ludicrous.
Wilson didn't have much help from Lynch but managed to come back from 20 yesterday

Playoffs
01-14-2013, 02:15 PM
“It’s not on him at all. We had plenty of opportunities to make plays. He put the ball in some great spots. Plays weren’t made and we didn’t get the running game going as well as we could have had up front.
I'm with big D.

2012Champs
01-14-2013, 02:20 PM
They all respect Yates and his leadership more, err wait.

The Pencil Neck
01-14-2013, 02:22 PM
Our team this year was not as good as it was last year. Last year was our year except for the damned injuries.

The thing about this offense is that the offensive line has to be working as a unit and it never really got together this year. The loss of Winston, Brisiel, and Dreessen was huge. We were not opening up the holes we were getting last year and that was stopping our run game and causing protection problems in the passing game.

We have to hope that Brooks, Jones, and Newton are able to get it together after another year in the system. I mean, it took a couple of years and a some tinkering to get the old line to work.

Double Barrel
01-14-2013, 02:31 PM
Texans Insanity 2013: doing the exact same thing over again and expecting different results. :texflag:

thunderkyss
01-14-2013, 02:43 PM
Link (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/01/myers-watt-come-to-schaubs-defense/)



Gotta admit, legitimate points made.

Uh..... have you ever been to Texanstalk.com?

“If the ball had bounced our way and he would have had the same stats, nobody would have cared about (Schaub’s second-half interception that set up a Patriots scoring drive). … That is the way it works. Matt is our guy. He’s our team captain, and that’s always going to be. Whatever happens, as players on this team, he is our leader.”

We've got guys knowledgeable enough to look beyond the stats & the wins. Matt Schaub issues have been raised since week 1, through the 11-1 part of the season & the 1-3 part as well.

With that said, I think right now there has been a landslide, kick him while he's down thing going on lately where Schaub has become the scapegoat. He's not RG3 & we want an RG3.

I understand it a little bit, while I didn't necessarily want an RG3 (I mean I do... but not really), I've been complaining for at least two years that the play is over when he leaves the pocket. Chances of a completion is low, chances of a first down is even lower. Chance of a score is nil.

I honestly don't know how Schaub can be extremely successful in this league if he can't adlib, he doesn't have a big arm, & he can't call audibles (we can argue this all day long, but if he can call audibles, he's doing a crappy job of it).

But at the same time, I'm patient. I've seen him make plays offschedule but don't understand why it's been so long & between that we've seen that guy. There's something going on behind the scenes that we just don't know, or just don't understand.

thunderkyss
01-14-2013, 02:49 PM
Texans Insanity 2013: doing the exact same thing over again and expecting different results. :texflag:

We've had different results. We've gone from 6-10 to 12-4. We used to get swept by the Jags, now we're sweeping the Jags. We used to get owned on the road, now we own on the road. We used to get owned at home, now we own at home.

We used to dream about the play-offs, now we don't talk draft until the third week of January.

Texecutioner
01-14-2013, 03:27 PM
We've had different results. We've gone from 6-10 to 12-4. We used to get swept by the Jags, now we're sweeping the Jags. We used to get owned on the road, now we own on the road. We used to get owned at home, now we own at home.

We used to dream about the play-offs, now we don't talk draft until the third week of January.

Yes, these are all good points. Hopefully we can keep it this way though. We're going to need some help at WR and another QB in the near future. Rick Smith needs to find a way to find a really good available FA WR in my opinion. These rookies take a long time to develop in many cases. I'm all for drafting one, but there is a high bust rate with WR's. I do like the direction that the organization is headed in though other then the fact that we'll have Kubiak for a long time further.

fiasco west
01-14-2013, 03:32 PM
Look, I myself would like to see a change at QB. I don't like his lack of mobility. I don't like his lack of arm strength. I don't like his runaway bootlegs.

But having said that, what happened to the freaking running game? It wasn't anywhere close to what it was last year.

To say that didn't have any effect on Schaub's play is ludicrous.

Oline man.

To think we had stopped the Pats 3-4 times I think after getting 3 points. We COULD have had a grind it out ball control game but we couldn't run to do it.

Our line has problems that needs to be addressed.

The opportunities were there last game but we didn't take advantage of any of them, even had a fortunate bounce on a onside kick too and couldn't get it.

Playoffs
01-14-2013, 03:32 PM
Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
I heard from one player today who does not believe in him.

fiasco west
01-14-2013, 03:35 PM
Uh..... have you ever been to Texanstalk.com?



We've got guys knowledgeable enough to look beyond the stats & the wins. Matt Schaub issues have been raised since week 1, through the 11-1 part of the season & the 1-3 part as well.

With that said, I think right now there has been a landslide, kick him while he's down thing going on lately where Schaub has become the scapegoat. He's not RG3 & we want an RG3.

I understand it a little bit, while I didn't necessarily want an RG3 (I mean I do... but not really), I've been complaining for at least two years that the play is over when he leaves the pocket. Chances of a completion is low, chances of a first down is even lower. Chance of a score is nil.

I honestly don't know how Schaub can be extremely successful in this league if he can't adlib, he doesn't have a big arm, & he can't call audibles (we can argue this all day long, but if he can call audibles, he's doing a crappy job of it).

But at the same time, I'm patient. I've seen him make plays offschedule but don't understand why it's been so long & between that we've seen that guy. There's something going on behind the scenes that we just don't know, or just don't understand.

I agree with this.

Hurry-up offense is the thing nowadays and the Texans need to get with the times. It's obviously a bit unfair to the defense (I wish it was out of the game personally) but we seem to do so well when we speed it up and then we just don't do it.

Texans ground control plan is a good one when you get a good solid lead early...but if you don't get that the team has to adjust and play more uptempo.

It's time to get with it and work on speeding up this offense more.

Dutchrudder
01-14-2013, 03:46 PM
Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein

I heard from one player today who does not believe in him.

Probably Barwin, cause believing in Schaub is too mainstream.

Hervoyel
01-14-2013, 03:49 PM
The outside world has been watching Matt Schaub play football for a lot longer than JJ Watt has. Sometimes guys can be too close to the situation to be objective about it. I think it's to their credit that they rally around their QB.

It doesn't make him a better QB though. I'm sorry to say that because we could really use a better QB.

While we're at it we could use some better line play too. They don't fix that it won't matter who we have back there taking the snaps.

Wolf
01-14-2013, 03:52 PM
Hell there needs to be an APB out for Ben Tate

HJam72
01-14-2013, 04:01 PM
I guess I am one of the new bandwagon Schaub "haters," but I feel that I know what I have seen, and that guy's not winning any Superbowls without a perfect team around him (& then it would just be one). I don't think I "hate" on Schaub. I don't blame his effort or his "leadership." I blame his lack of mobility, which through no fault of his own is now down to just about 0, and his apparent lack of armstrength, or whatever it is that obviously makes both him and Kubiak have no faith in his throws of 30+ yards (I don't either). I think Matt is a great guy and a hard, hard worker, but physical limitations are physical limitations...

And, no, I don't think it will be easy to find somebody better, but I do think we better eventually find somebody better or we can forget about those Lombardi trophies. Good is good, but it ain't best in the world.

Rey
01-14-2013, 04:11 PM
Texans Insanity 2013: doing the exact same thing over again and expecting different results. :texflag:

Exactly.

Kubiak just did his press conference and he basically defended everybody. The oline is just young and needs to gel, the defense just didn't execute, special teams played good and finally took to the coaching.

Kubiak is loyal to his guys. He's proven this. Coaches, players...

He's indicating that not much is going to change. But we'll see...

GP
01-14-2013, 04:12 PM
Probably Barwin, cause believing in Schaub is too mainstream.

I would imagine Danieal Manning or Joseph or Antonio Smith. It'd be a guy on defense who was tired of cleaning up spills on aisle 8.

I would then put tier 2 at being Ben Tate (because I think he's had it with the whole damn team, honestly), or maybe an outside shot at it being Andre Johnson....because AJ is nice, but the man wants a ring and he's entitled to be a little skeptical, IMO, even IF Schaub has fed him the ball a lot in the past.

Tier 3 would be Shayne Graham and Donnie Jones, because those two guys can only wish and dream that they had the foot that Schaub has. Jealous. LMAO.

fiasco west
01-14-2013, 04:14 PM
I would imagine Danieal Manning or Joseph or Antonio Smith. It'd be a guy on defense who was tired of cleaning up spills on aisle 8.

I would then put tier 2 at being Ben Tate (because I think he's had it with the whole damn team, honestly), or maybe an outside shot at it being Andre Johnson....because AJ is nice, but the man wants a ring and he's entitled to be a little skeptical, IMO, even IF Schaub has fed him the ball a lot in the past.

Tier 3 would be Shayne Graham and Donnie Jones, because those two guys can only wish and dream that they had the foot that Schaub has. Jealous. LMAO.

Could be TJ Yates too...

GP
01-14-2013, 04:15 PM
Exactly.

Kubiak just did his press conference and he basically defended everybody. The oline is just young and needs to gel, the defense just didn't execute, special teams played good and finally took to the coaching.

Kubiak is loyal to his guys. He's proven this. Coaches, players...

He's indicating that not much is going to change. But we'll see...

I wish Kubiak would go completely off-script and say this:

"You know what, John? **** the haters. This is MY crew. They got me, I got them. We roll heavy. You understand me? You FEEL ME, dawg? Sure, the guys come over for fondu and a round or three of Uno. So what if I paid for them to get those letter jackets?!?! They look smokin' hot in those jackets. The chicks are all over them when they go to Whataburger after our walk-throughs."

And then he drops the microphone and holds his hand in the air.

GP
01-14-2013, 04:19 PM
Could be TJ Yates too...

Nah. It wouldn't be any of the JV quarterbacks.

I thought about it for a split second, but it doesn't fit. It would have to be a hot-blooded defensive guy (and boy howdy it sounds like it ain't JJ WATT!) who feels the defense was put into too many tough positions all season long.

And for me, that's Manning and Joseph and Smith. Those three guys I could see being a bit pissed off about what they might THINK was a screw job for their guy Wade Phillips and their guy Brian Cushing. Not to mention ALL the injured defensive guys, all those LBs there.

On the offense, it'd have to be someone who is already disgruntled and isn't down with being Texans Worthy. Ben Tate is likely getting traded, it would be HIM if it's a guy on offense.

ZERO guys on the OL are going to throw Schaub under the bus. Only AJ stands out as being a potential guy...but even then it doesn't seem to fit, IMO.

Antonio Smith is not shy to run his mouth.

HJam72
01-14-2013, 04:25 PM
Antonio has also been on a Superbowl team with Kurt Warner, if I'm not mistaken.

Dutchrudder
01-14-2013, 04:28 PM
I would imagine Danieal Manning or Joseph or Antonio Smith. It'd be a guy on defense who was tired of cleaning up spills on aisle 8.

I would then put tier 2 at being Ben Tate (because I think he's had it with the whole damn team, honestly), or maybe an outside shot at it being Andre Johnson....because AJ is nice, but the man wants a ring and he's entitled to be a little skeptical, IMO, even IF Schaub has fed him the ball a lot in the past.

Tier 3 would be Shayne Graham and Donnie Jones, because those two guys can only wish and dream that they had the foot that Schaub has. Jealous. LMAO.

That post was a crack at Barwin being a hipster. Hipsters don't want to be mainstream, i.e. like popular things or go with the crowd.

http://i.qkme.me/6k6z.jpg

HJam72
01-14-2013, 04:31 PM
That's funny, because they are hipsters in the first place because it is mainstream. They should just call it how-people-who-don't-look-like-pretty-boys-or-model-type-girls-get-onto-the-top-40-stations. It's just pop for non-beautiful youths.

GP
01-14-2013, 04:36 PM
That post was a crack at Barwin being a hipster. Hipsters don't want to be mainstream, i.e. like popular things or go with the crowd.

http://i.qkme.me/6k6z.jpg

I know. I know.

I ignored your humor and went straight for the jugular with my own list of suspects.

I used to have the ability to laugh at Barwin hipster references, but to be honest I'm just straight up unable to even see his name or type it without my blood pressure rising 30 points.

I want that guy GONE.

Double Barrel
01-14-2013, 04:37 PM
We've had different results. We've gone from 6-10 to 12-4. We used to get swept by the Jags, now we're sweeping the Jags. We used to get owned on the road, now we own on the road. We used to get owned at home, now we own at home.

We used to dream about the play-offs, now we don't talk draft until the third week of January.

Hey, let's go back to 1998 when Houston didn't even have an NFL team.

Isn't it just NICE to have a team? Quit bitching about everything else. We have a team now!

I think you kinda' missed my point, but that's okay. :brando:

Exactly.

Kubiak just did his press conference and he basically defended everybody. The oline is just young and needs to gel, the defense just didn't execute, special teams played good and finally took to the coaching.

Kubiak is loyal to his guys. He's proven this. Coaches, players...

He's indicating that not much is going to change. But we'll see...

Yep. It's everybody's fault, it's nobody's fault. Schaub is wonderful and we'll get 'em next year, Tiger.

Surreal McCoy
01-14-2013, 04:38 PM
Wilson didn't have much help from Lynch but managed to come back from 20 yesterday

Yup Wilson did it all on his own, huh? Conveniently forgetting HE lost the game. Good for the goose, good for the gander.

Thorn
01-14-2013, 04:39 PM
Whatever the problem was, be it injuries, coaching, players, refs, aliens, the Texans went downhill the last part of the season. They barely squeaked by the Bengals, and got their asses handed to them by New England.

I don't know whose fault it is, I'm neither a player or a coach. But as a fan, I can see they didn't play as well this last month. And as a fan, I can ***** and moan about it all I want.

Am I'm gonna. :whip:

Jules Winnfield
01-14-2013, 04:44 PM
they are inside the bubble. its only natural for them to defend a teammate. but the people speak the truth.

4-15 for the offense on 3rd down.

an offense that has 6 pro bowlers.

we all know the 2 biggest problems here.

SheTexan
01-14-2013, 05:27 PM
Exactly.

Kubiak just did his press conference and he basically defended everybody. The oline is just young and needs to gel, the defense just didn't execute, special teams played good and finally took to the coaching. .

Noone wants to point the finger at the ONE person who took an Oline that was gelling quite well and turned it into water!!! NOR do they want to admit that trading Demeco ended up being a complete diaster for our D. He was the leader, the one person who could make them "execute!" PLUS, it only took STs 18 games to "finally took to the coaching!!?" Does that mean Marciano gets another PASS???? Geeeeeezzzzzz!

Maddict5
01-14-2013, 05:34 PM
Texans Insanity 2013: doing the exact same thing over again and expecting different results. :texflag:

iirc that was a popular phrase when kubes was re-signed too...

Bulls on Parade
01-14-2013, 05:37 PM
The sad thing is Schaub threw some passes where they needed to be early in that game. James Casey dropped a would be Touchdown pass on the first drive (settled for FG), and Arian Foster dropped a wide open potential first-down pass over the middle of the field that had big play written all over it on our second drive (we punted). If we make those two plays we may have taken a 14-0 or 10-0 lead and the entire attitude of that game is totally different.

Granted, the Patriots won the game in the third quarter, winning it 14-0. We still went to halftime down 17-13. But we left points on the table early in that game. I thought the team played incredibly hard in the 1st, 2nd and 4th quarter - never giving up and I was proud of them.

If only we had made a couple more plays early in that game and played to a standstill in the 3rd quarter, like we pretty much did in the other three, it was a winnable game.

Ryan
01-14-2013, 05:41 PM
Probably Barwin, cause believing in Schaub is too mainstream.

On TT it is very hipster though.

Double Barrel
01-14-2013, 05:41 PM
iirc that was a popular phrase when kubes was re-signed too...

At the time it was correct, but that was pre-Wade. :winky:

BTW, I'm not hatin' on Kubiak or Schaub, but I'm ready to keep my post-season expectations low with both of them leading this team.

Wolf
01-14-2013, 05:44 PM
Forbes says Matt is worth the salary, JJo is a bit overpaid

:kitten:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/monteburke/2013/01/11/the-nfls-top-paid-playoff-players/

(they do say their list is highly subjective)

Bulls on Parade
01-14-2013, 05:46 PM
they are inside the bubble. its only natural for them to defend a teammate. but the people speak the truth.

4-15 for the offense on 3rd down.

an offense that has 6 pro bowlers.

we all know the 2 biggest problems here.
I'd still come back with pretty much the same team this September. We just need a few more upgrades (on defense), and a healthy Brian Cushing.

I think we can take the 1st seed in the AFC and kick some ass in the 2014 playoffs at Reliant Stadium. This is not an off-season to make major changes. I still believe in our offense. Having Ben Tate healthy and running like a horse again, which he did in 2011, will also help lessen the load for Arian Foster.

I trust the development of our young wideouts. DeVier Posey made some excellent progress late in the season and playoffs. Keshawn Martin needs to become a bigger part of the offense next season. He's a dynamic slot guy and has great quickness, speed and runs the routes well. The coaches under-used him this season.

Wolf
01-14-2013, 05:50 PM
At the time it was correct, but that was pre-Wade. :winky:

BTW, I'm not hatin' on Kubiak or Schaub, but I'm ready to keep my post-season expectations low with both of them leading this team.


I don't know what came over me,well the beer, but his was the first time that I lost faith by early third quarter. Actually the first drive at half time and New England made their statement drive.

I said to my friend "the Texans are done." I won't hate on Matt but my feeling was "we won't win a Super Bowl with him at QB as long as he has to go up against an elite QB he doesn't have another gear

Maddict5
01-14-2013, 05:50 PM
At the time it was correct, but that was pre-Wade. :winky:

BTW, I'm not hatin' on Kubiak or Schaub, but I'm ready to keep my post-season expectations low with both of them leading this team.

well maybe in 3 yrs, you can come back and say this was correct...pre robert woods etc.. so you and every other fan can keep their 100% record of always being right alive :winky:

Marcus
01-14-2013, 06:07 PM
Hey, let's go back to 1998 when Houston didn't even have an NFL team.

Man, I miss it, badly. I really liked not having a football team. The pleasure of just sitting in my chair and relaxing to just a plain ole good football game, the way it was really meant to be watched, was just awesome.

If McNair was up to moving the team to Los Angeles or wherever, I'd say the same thing I told Bud Adams. . .

. . . Don't let the door hit ya in the f'king ass.

amazing80
01-14-2013, 06:59 PM
Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein

Prolly Tj Yates :kitten:

Hervoyel
01-14-2013, 07:03 PM
I'm thinking I'm going to take my 2 Schaub jerseys (one is a Carr retread) and change the name plates on them. I think I'm going to go with "NOPE"

fiasco west
01-14-2013, 07:04 PM
Man, I miss it, badly. I really liked not having a football team. The pleasure of just sitting in my chair and relaxing to just a plain ole good football game, the way it was really meant to be watched, was just awesome.

If McNair was up to moving the team to Los Angeles or wherever, I'd say the same thing I told Bud Adams. . .

. . . Don't let the door hit ya in the f'king ass.

Well just stop following the Texans and there, you no longer have a team.

Nawzer
01-14-2013, 07:08 PM
I heard his interview on 610 today and he seemed completely in denial or he's just a smug bastard. That overthrow to AJ in the end zone was apparently a "small window" according to Matt Sloth! This guy refuses to acknowledge any blame on his part and I've seen this pattern in his interviews where he refers to his mistakes as "we could've done this" or "we called the right play...blah blah blah". I've come to accept that we're stuck with Dumb and Dumber for the next 2 years at least and that's sad. This team has hit its ceiling in its current state. The defense may improve a bit and that'll be our only hope going into next year.

Marcus
01-14-2013, 07:20 PM
Well just stop following the Texans and there, you no longer have a team.

Nope. Wish it were that simple, but if you're really a fan, you can't turn it off like a switch. It's like being condemned, stuck like chuck, and all that BS.

DexmanC
01-14-2013, 09:14 PM
I heard his interview on 610 today and he seemed completely in denial or he's just a smug bastard. That overthrow to AJ in the end zone was apparently a "small window" according to Matt Sloth! This guy refuses to acknowledge any blame on his part and I've seen this pattern in his interviews where he refers to his mistakes as "we could've done this" or "we called the right play...blah blah blah". I've come to accept that we're stuck with Dumb and Dumber for the next 2 years at least and that's sad. This team has hit its ceiling in its current state. The defense may improve a bit and that'll be our only hope going into next year.

That play in the 3rd quarter where he escaped a sack on a bootleg,
then had no one in his face for 15 yards, he decides to simply throw
the ball in the dirt.

He still had an opportunity to set and throw to open receivers, but
he quits under a little pressure. Say what you want about TJ not
being as good as Schaub. At least TJ competed EVERY SINGLE DOWN,
and didn't concede any of them. That's the part of Schaub's game that
pisses fans of competitive football off.

Texan_Bill
01-14-2013, 09:23 PM
I'd contend that the defense regressed just as much, if not more than the running game did from last year.

If not, more? YES!! The loss of Cushing was huge, but it doesn't bode well whenever you lose him, Bradie James is the leader of your defense with JJo being hampered by a groin injury?


Re: Teammates come to Schaub's defense
As they should!!!

CnD already suggested Schaub's possible regression!

Honoring Earl 34
01-14-2013, 09:25 PM
That post was a crack at Barwin being a hipster. Hipsters don't want to be mainstream, i.e. like popular things or go with the crowd.

http://i.qkme.me/6k6z.jpg

I get it now , 15 sacks would have been mainstream . :cowboy1:

Texcore
01-14-2013, 11:05 PM
Of course they are going to tote the company line and say they have his back.

Nobody really expects any Texan to throw him under the bus now.

dream_team
01-15-2013, 12:13 AM
I don't know what came over me,well the beer, but his was the first time that I lost faith by early third quarter. Actually the first drive at half time and New England made their statement drive.

I said to my friend "the Texans are done." I won't hate on Matt but my feeling was "we won't win a Super Bowl with him at QB as long as he has to go up against an elite QB he doesn't have another gear

Or why don't we say our defense can't beat an elite QB? You know... the guys that are actually supposed to be stoping the so-called elite QB?

The Ravens & 49ers didn't exactly "shut down" the opposing elite QB, but they did enough to contain them so the offense can keep up.

Wolf
01-15-2013, 03:59 AM
Yes the defense regressed sometimes you get into a shoot out. And schaub or I should say this offense doesn't have another gear to jump too

thunderkyss
01-15-2013, 05:04 AM
He still had an opportunity to set and throw to open receivers, but
he quits under a little pressure. Say what you want about TJ not
being as good as Schaub. At least TJ competed EVERY SINGLE DOWN,
and didn't concede any of them. That's the part of Schaub's game that
pisses fans of competitive football off.

This is true & has been true for at least the past two years. There have been games where Matt was able to channel his inner RG3, late in last year's Raider's game for one. We ended up not winning that game, because his last effort to win the game was an INT in the endzone, but that was a heck of a drive.

He used to make these plays all the time & was a big reason we won 9 games in 2009. He won a game or two in 2010 as well. But 2009, he did it more often.

That's been removed from his game for some reason & I don't know why. I don't think it's a physical issue. To me, it looks like it has been phased out of his game "until we need it" but Matt just can't "turn it on" when he needs to.

We've won a lot of games since then & he hasn't "needed" to play that way, so it's kinda hard to find fault. But I believe to beat a team like the Patriots, we're going to have to have plays made from the QB position.

Either that, or our run game is going to have to get better. It was pathetic vs New England & our defense is going to have to get better. Play from both the ILB & OLB positions were pathetic vs New England.

We need to force turnovers against the elite teams.

Dishman
01-15-2013, 06:30 AM
Or why don't we say our defense can't beat an elite QB? You know... the guys that are actually supposed to be stoping the so-called elite QB?

The Ravens & 49ers didn't exactly "shut down" the opposing elite QB, but they did enough to contain them so the offense can keep up.

The points put up by the Texans offense last weekend (28) would have not been enough to beat any of the other winning playoff teams. The defense isn't blame-free, but the offense isn't good enough to score on pace with the other playoff teams.

Tailgate
01-15-2013, 06:49 AM
I dont remember Matt looking this pudgy in the past. Seeing him warming up without pads before one of the games I noticed a serious pair of man boobs this year. Were those always there? Because he looked fatter and slower than I can remember.

Hervoyel
01-15-2013, 08:47 AM
I get it now , 15 sacks would have been mainstream . :cowboy1:

No, no, no! NO! It's more complicated than that! 15 sacks when it's expectred of him is mainstream so he ain't gonna do it. As soon as you lose any expectation that he's going to do that he'll look around at the other DE/OLB's and decide that not sacking the QB enough is too mainstream. Then it's time to turn it on.... BAM! Barwin go BOOM! Conner's an enigma that way. He's always gonna zig when you think he's about to zag.

417Texan
01-15-2013, 08:59 AM
Hey, let's go back to 1998 when Houston didn't even have an NFL team.

Isn't it just NICE to have a team? Quit bitching about everything else. We have a team now!

I think you kinda' missed my point, but that's okay. :brando:



Yep. It's everybody's fault, it's nobody's fault. Schaub is wonderful and we'll get 'em next year, Tiger.



Houston is going to be great/good next year. Cushing is going to be back and I think defense is gonna be fine. Qb still is a concern.

BigBull17
01-15-2013, 09:12 AM
Exactly.

Kubiak just did his press conference and he basically defended everybody. The oline is just young and needs to gel, the defense just didn't execute, special teams played good and finally took to the coaching.

Kubiak is loyal to his guys. He's proven this. Coaches, players...

He's indicating that not much is going to change. But we'll see...

Its coach speak. He isn't Rex Ryan, he's not going to be a blow hard and kill guys on this team. He'll do it in house. Just the coach he is. However, if changes aren't made then he made his bed, and can get the **** out.

Texecutioner
01-15-2013, 09:12 AM
they are inside the bubble. its only natural for them to defend a teammate. but the people speak the truth.

4-15 for the offense on 3rd down.

an offense that has 6 pro bowlers.

we all know the 2 biggest problems here.

One of which was Schaub.

WolverineFan
01-15-2013, 09:27 AM
One of which was Schaub.

Schaub didn't deserve it this year. Neither did Wade Smith.

The problem is we have a perennial All-Pro at WR and RB and a franchise LT. Also have good players at C and TE that have routinely made Pro-Bowls. There are QB's who have done more with less.

Texecutioner
01-15-2013, 09:55 AM
Schaub didn't deserve it this year. Neither did Wade Smith.

The problem is we have a perennial All-Pro at WR and RB and a franchise LT. Also have good players at C and TE that have routinely made Pro-Bowls. There are QB's who have done more with less.

This is all true and I agree. I was just pointing that out to the guy that acts like Schaub is some sort of guy that miraculously became a QB over night and has never had any history of success. Same guy also stated before that our Oline couldn't be criticized, because it had pro bowlers no matter how madly they stunk in certain games. I don't think he even realizes that Schaub was a pro bowler himself. Lol! Even though it was an alternate. I don't think he was in Pro Bowl form myself for the record. Not even close really, but some people go from not saying a word about Schaub this season to acting like he is 3rd string material literally over night.

Double Barrel
01-15-2013, 10:18 AM
well maybe in 3 yrs, you can come back and say this was correct...pre robert woods etc.. so you and every other fan can keep their 100% record of always being right alive :winky:

I'm not sure that I want to be correct.

However, I feel confident that my take will be right in 3 years...unfortunately. No winky required.

It's only entertainment. This season was certainly entertaining, and in the end, that's all we can ask for as fans.

Houston is going to be great/good next year. Cushing is going to be back and I think defense is gonna be fine. Qb still is a concern.

yep. Houston's got a good team. Not great, but good on the cusp of being great.

This team could be like the 2000 Ravens, winning with defense. We have our version Ray Lewis with Cushing, our version of Jamal Lewis with Foster, and our Trent Dilfer with Schaub.

Don't concern yourself with Schaub. He will be here!

GP
01-15-2013, 10:52 AM
The biggest sadness in my heart is that our QB is getting every single call from the sidelines, even in a hurry up. Schaub seems bright, but he's not being trusted to adapt and maneuver. That got the Germans defeated in WWII...while the U.S. infantry was able to fire and maneuver and operate in ways that even if their sergeant went down in a battle, the corporal assumed direct command (he became the acting sergeant) and the whole squad just carried out the mission as it had been planned. The Germans, if their field commander fell, froze and were not allowed to do ANYTHING until they received orders or were given a new commander. Paralysis.

We need a guy, a HC and a QB, who can fire and maneuver. Part of me is watching Kevin Sumlin and how he does at A&M. Whether he was at UH or A&M, he's smart enough to let his QB do what is Qb does best. With Case it was the standard spread offense and with Manziel it's been that run-and-gun style that the 49ers and Seahawks have implemented this year. The point is this: Sumlin is adapting to his QBs, and he's using their strengths to shape the offense.

Gary is saying HERE IS MY OFFENSE, now let's make everyone from top to bottom adjust to ME.

I think that method is about to die out.

Mr teX
01-15-2013, 11:25 AM
On the 1 hand you say, "well, what else are they supposed to say?" but on the other, you realize that they're right....if you truly are being objective and don't have an agenda anyway.

Its a team game folks. Let me reiterate that...its a team game. The best team game on earth and the reason why i prefer it over any other professional sports game. & for every play schaub didn't make, i'm sure every 1 of our starters can point to an equal # of plays and say they didn't get it done. Nobody really pays attention to or knows exactly who's missing assignments/reads out there except for those people inside of that bubble. Everyone sees the qb tossing picks though.

All fans remember Eli Manning and David Tyree's miraculous escape, throw and catch play. The initial fallout in Boston was "how could Harrison allow this guy to just be sitting wide open like that...& then he couldn't even dislodge the ball from his freaking helmet!!" Later it was found that the play wasn't even Harrison's to make he was just in the vicinity......It was Samuels' man his ass just got caught jumping a route and Tyree slipped by him. Team game.

As far as what Lance said, i doubt any 1 of those players said they don't believe in him...he probably just read into that by a comment they made or didn't make anyway. i seriously doubt it was anyone on offense....

jerek
01-15-2013, 11:43 AM
The outside world has been watching Matt Schaub play football for a lot longer than JJ Watt has. Sometimes guys can be too close to the situation to be objective about it. I think it's to their credit that they rally around their QB.

It doesn't make him a better QB though. I'm sorry to say that because we could really use a better QB.

While we're at it we could use some better line play too. They don't fix that it won't matter who we have back there taking the snaps.

Schaub is what he is, a decent quarterback who brings some real skills to the table but will probably never bring others.

I saw three perfectly catchable drops for first downs or touchdowns against the Patriots. He wasn't flawless but then again, neither was our defense, our play calling or the right side of the line.

Lots of gaps to address this offseason from the top down and frankly that starts with the GM.

Vinny
01-15-2013, 11:53 AM
The team rallied around David Carr too....so he's got that going for him.

MojoX
01-15-2013, 12:26 PM
The team is doing what they are supposed to publicly do. No need to fall apart and self destruct in public. Kubiak supported Carr all the way until the Schaub trade was announced. Kubiak supported Jones after last year's debacle until Jones was gone.

Want an easy way to lose your team as a head coach: start finger pointing and ripping guys in the media. No need to sacrifice team cohesiveness just so fans can have some cathartic release.

It is time for the Texans to line up a replacement, but no need to kick Schaub, who will be here for a while just for cap reasons, to the curb until the replacement is ready.

dream_team
01-15-2013, 12:59 PM
The points put up by the Texans offense last weekend (28) would have not been enough to beat any of the other winning playoff teams. The defense isn't blame-free, but the offense isn't good enough to score on pace with the other playoff teams.

But isn't our defense supposed to be elite? Isn't the main reason we are in the playoffs is because of our defense? 49ers has an elite defense, and they held the elite-offense Packers to 31 (and one of those TDs were in garbage time). The Seahawks has an elite defense, and they held the elite-offense Falcons to 30. The Ravens aren't even an elite defense anymore, but they held the elite-offense Broncos to 35.

If our elite-defense was able to hold the Pats to at least 35... we don't have to try that onside kick. We kick it off and ask our elite-defense to force a punt, and give the offense a chance to comeback.

The offense CAN score on pace with other playoff teams, but the defense can't let other offenses score more than 40. I don't think that's asking for too much from your elite defense.

Mr teX
01-15-2013, 01:26 PM
But isn't our defense supposed to be elite? Isn't the main reason we are in the playoffs is because of our defense? 49ers has an elite defense, and they held the elite-offense Packers to 31 (and one of those TDs were in garbage time). The Seahawks has an elite defense, and they held the elite-offense Falcons to 30. The Ravens aren't even an elite defense anymore, but they held the elite-offense Broncos to 35.

If our elite-defense was able to hold the Pats to at least 35... we don't have to try that onside kick. We kick it off and ask our elite-defense to force a punt, and give the offense a chance to comeback.

The offense CAN score on pace with other playoff teams, but the defense can't let other offenses score more than 40. I don't think that's asking for too much from your elite defense.

Like i said in another thread, asking your offense to score 40+ points is alot..i don't care if you're air coryell or that 07 Pats team. The defense fell off big time down the stretch this year and it has very little to do with us missing Cushing or us just not being as good as we were last year like some have said. We are as good as we were last year on defense...our schedule was just much tougher than last years schedule and we faced better qb play this year.

Hervoyel
01-15-2013, 01:45 PM
Schaub is what he is, a decent quarterback who brings some real skills to the table but will probably never bring others.

I saw three perfectly catchable drops for first downs or touchdowns against the Patriots. He wasn't flawless but then again, neither was our defense, our play calling or the right side of the line.

Lots of gaps to address this offseason from the top down and frankly that starts with the GM.


I'd never hang the drops on him. Those were indeed dropped passes not errant passes. It's what happens after the drops on the next play and the one after that where I just can't keep buying into Matt as the head honcho. The Casey TD drop was followed by a WTF? moment when he threw the ball over the heads of everybody and missed a wide open AJ. He's always gonna do that. Always has. The will is there I just don't think the focus or the athleticism is there to match it.

Vinny
01-15-2013, 01:47 PM
I'd never hang the drops on him. Those were indeed dropped passes not errant passes. It's what happens after the drops on the next play and the one after that where I just can't keep buying into Matt as the head honcho. The Casey TD drop was followed by a WTF? moment when he threw the ball over the heads of everybody and missed a wide open AJ. He's always gonna do that. Always has. The will is there I just don't think the focus or the athleticism is there to match it.I'd like to add that Tom Brady had drops too (just like all qb's) but he made plays.

Mr teX
01-15-2013, 01:54 PM
I'd never hang the drops on him. Those were indeed dropped passes not errant passes. It's what happens after the drops on the next play and the one after that where I just can't keep buying into Matt as the head honcho. The Casey TD drop was followed by a WTF? moment when he threw the ball over the heads of everybody and missed a wide open AJ. He's always gonna do that. Always has. The will is there I just don't think the focus or the athleticism is there to match it.

But the AJ WTF pass doesn't even happen if Casey converts the easy TD the play prior. This is what you guys don't take into account.

The other thing too is that other qb's have these same WTF throws too. Watching Flacco and Manning the other day, Both had a number of passes that were high, thrown off target or hang-u-out-to-dry passes..the same type of passes that Schaub gets critcized for. The difference is is that their WR's were making plays on the ball and Schaub's more often than not don't.

Imagine Kevin Walter trying to make the play that Smith made on his 2nd TD reception right before the half....It's not happening. That play more than likely turns into an int by champ bailey b/c he was in perfect position.

Rey
01-15-2013, 02:26 PM
But the AJ WTF pass doesn't even happen if Casey converts the easy TD the play prior. This is what you guys don't take into account.


Exactly. We don't have a qb that is going to consistently hit guys in great position like that so we need guys that don't drop anything. We aren't going to get many opportunities like that so we have to capitalize because one or two drops for us are devastating.

On the other hand welker can drop 2 or 3 passes. Brady can miss fire 5 or 6 balls in a game...they have an offense that will afford then more big play opportunities.

We need perfect execution to cover up for our lack of playmaking from the offense. That dropped pass was essentially a killer because there's no way we could count on schaub to make another clutch throw like that in that spot.

We shouldve been thankful for that one on target throw in the endzone. Expecting 2 good throws in a row is just non sense.

jerek
01-15-2013, 02:55 PM
I'd like to add that Tom Brady had drops too (just like all qb's) but he made plays.

Well I'm not disagreeing with you or Herv there but the Tom Brady's are few and far between in this league. Brady is an elite quarterback in every sense of the word. All of that to say we may find better but I saw missed opportunities in every phase of the game so there are lots of places we can look.

I would love to draft the next RG3 or Russell Wilson and I would love to say we have a Tom Brady under center who is one of the best in the game. I think Schaub is decent, he will never take over the game but he can certainly be good enough. Lets just say I wouldn't think of replacing him as a priority, personally.

michaelm
01-15-2013, 03:16 PM
I'm not sure that I want to be correct.

However, I feel confident that my take will be right in 3 years...unfortunately. No winky required.

It's only entertainment. This season was certainly entertaining, and in the end, that's all we can ask for as fans.



I'd suggest alternative wording to the bolded.
And in the end, that's all we can expect as fans. This fan, for one, will ask for a Championship every year, but maybe only expect to be entertained.

Double Barrel
01-15-2013, 03:32 PM
I'd suggest alternative wording to the bolded.
And in the end, that's all we can expect as fans. This fan, for one, will ask for a Championship every year, but maybe only expect to be entertained.

I understand where you are coming from, but I do not even expect to be entertained. 2-14 taught me not to expect anything. That was not an entertaining year in any sort of way. ;)

Hervoyel
01-15-2013, 08:36 PM
But the AJ WTF pass doesn't even happen if Casey converts the easy TD the play prior. This is what you guys don't take into account.

The other thing too is that other qb's have these same WTF throws too. Watching Flacco and Manning the other day, Both had a number of passes that were high, thrown off target or hang-u-out-to-dry passes..the same type of passes that Schaub gets critcized for. The difference is is that their WR's were making plays on the ball and Schaub's more often than not don't.

Imagine Kevin Walter trying to make the play that Smith made on his 2nd TD reception right before the half....It's not happening. That play more than likely turns into an int by champ bailey b/c he was in perfect position.

Don't you understand that someone is always going to drop the perfect pass you throw to them? That's going to happen in every game they play once or twice (even more than that sometimes). It's some of that "adversity" they keep talking about. Someone's going to hold on your TD pass, someone is going to fall down and make you throw a pass to a patch of grass or a pick to the other team. **** happens and when it does Matt doesn't roll with the punches and settle down right away. He comes back around in a few plays but it only takes one or two losses of composure like that in a drive to turn a TD in to a FG or the entire drive into a punt.

Sure those other guys throw crappy passes too. They all do. We've watched Schaub enough to know the pattern. When things go wrong he puts it in the ditch for a series before pulling it together. A lot.

The criticism of the WR's is warranted and valid. The problem here isn't just Schaub and it isn't just Kubiak. It's "Schaubiak". One of them has a death grip on the controls (Gary) and is the guy responsible for the state of our receiving "weapons". He's been here 7 years and the players we see on the field are the guys he wants. The other (Matt) is an athletic dinosaur. He's Dan Marino with far less physical ability and a lower football IQ.

nero THE zero
01-15-2013, 09:02 PM
Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein

I'm sure most of them don't. The kind of guys on our team aren't the kind that are going to call out our starting QB in the media.

Hell, how long did it take before one of our guys stepped up and called out Carr? And Schaub's lightyears better than Carr.

I had the impression that AJ's body language said that he is sick of having a QB that can't hit him in stride. Then his reaction to the gross overthrow in the endzone against NE sealed it for me; I am utterly convinced that AJ wants a better QB.

thunderkyss
01-16-2013, 01:11 AM
Don't you understand that someone is always going to drop the perfect pass you throw to them? That's going to happen in every game they play once or twice (even more than that sometimes). It's some of that "adversity" they keep talking about..

How many sure fire TD passes were dropped by New England receivers?

Those guys stepped up.

Rey
01-16-2013, 07:16 AM
How many sure fire TD passes were dropped by New England receivers?

Those guys stepped up.

How many sure fire TD passes did Brady overthrow?

thunderkyss
01-16-2013, 09:02 AM
How many sure fire TD passes did Brady overthrow?

You're smart enough to know Tom Brady didn't beat us. Not on his own.

You're smart enough to know Matt Schaub didn't lose this game, not on his own.

Matt did not allow 41 points. Matt didn't fail to force a turnover.

Did Matt play well enough to win? I think so. Our running game was not where it needed to be. Our defense was not where it needed to be. Before the game, no one, not even you, thought Matt could win this game on his own... most everyone knew that wasn't going to happen regardless.

I'm not a big Schaub fan, I'd like to replace him myself. But let's be real, our problems go way beyond Matt Schaub.

Will replacing him fix a lot of our problems? Maybe. I'd give it a shot. But Eli didn't get his team into the play offs, Rogers exited the play offs in the same spot we did. We know those QBs are capable of getting their teams further in the play offs..... sh1t happens, & that's all there is to it.

Matt Ryans team won a play off game for the first time ever. I don't think he's much better than he was in his previous attempts. If any, only slightly. The biggest difference is the team around him is better.

Hervoyel
01-16-2013, 09:49 AM
How many sure fire TD passes were dropped by New England receivers?

Those guys stepped up.


Has nothing to do with Matt Schaub's performance or the Texans receivers performance. During the course of the season WR's on every team drop passes. Did the Texans receivers do that in this game? Absolutely. They're not blameless and I've never said that we didn't need better from our WR's. Just like we need better performances from our OL there are plenty of things to fix on this team. I'm talking in this thread about Matt Schaub and his tendency to **** the bed when something goes wrong.

We need our WR's to step up.
We need our OL to step up.
We also need our QB to step up. No, I don't think he played good enough to win. He wasn't alone but this thread is about teammates coming to Matt Schaub's defense. We got all offseason to discuss what needs to be done about every unit on the team so we'll get to those other guys sooner or later.

Rey
01-16-2013, 09:53 AM
Matt Ryans team won a play off game for the first time ever. I don't think he's much better than he was in his previous attempts. If any, only slightly. The biggest difference is the team around him is better.

Dilfer had never won a superbowl until the team around him was better as well.

thunderkyss
01-16-2013, 04:21 PM
Dilfer had never won a superbowl until the team around him was better as well.

Matt Schaub has already done a whole lot of things Trent Dilfer never did.

thunderkyss
01-19-2013, 11:57 AM
Two things that trouble me about the Matt Schaub discussions to date. For one, in all the defense for Schaub (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Texans-back-Matt-Schaub-amid-widespread-criticism-of-QB/20db9811-c22c-4ace-9a37-790db6ffc299), no one even hints that Matt was dealing with anything that may have affected his game.

If he was dealing with "excruciating pain" so much that we altered our game plan, I would think there would be some mention, hint, or allusion to it. But there wasn't.

Second..... has anyone heard from Dre since then? What's on his mind?

tru80texan
01-19-2013, 12:20 PM
Two things that trouble me about the Matt Schaub discussions to date. For one, in all the defense for Schaub (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Texans-back-Matt-Schaub-amid-widespread-criticism-of-QB/20db9811-c22c-4ace-9a37-790db6ffc299), no one even hints that Matt was dealing with anything that may have affected his game.

If he was dealing with "excruciating pain" so much that we altered our game plan, I would think there would be some mention, hint, or allusion to it. But there wasn't.

Second..... has anyone heard from Dre since then? What's on his mind?

Maybe no one is hinting at injury because maybe one does not exist. Seems like a pretty simple concept imo. The HC hasn't said anything. No member of the coaching staff have said anything. No teammates have said anything. Heck, even the player himself hasn't said anything. That only leads most to one conclusion...there is no excruciating pain or injury to be spoken of. Schaub simply played bad. Is this just a slump or a permanent regression in his game is what remains to be seen imo. I hope its just a temporary slump because I want this team to have hope for AFC Championships & Super Bowls, but Schaub didn't end on a good note & it will remain to be seen next season if he can bounce back. Of course a bounce back was what we wanted the last few games of the season but never got.

I don't expect Andre to say anything. He never has & if he does it won't be negative because Andre is a class act who backs his teammates even if its just by simply remaining silent.

Premier
01-19-2013, 04:29 PM
Matt did not allow 41 points.


giving the ball back to the patriots time after time doesnt help your defense.. when it was a close game, schaub was completely ineffective, the first 13 points schaub didnt have a fingerprint on.. the defense gave schaub the ball with a chance to take a lead, build a lead and he did nothing but give the ball back.. then when the game was out of hand he put up some yards and people say "he had a good game, 300 yards 2 TDs" nonsense..

GP
01-19-2013, 04:45 PM
Matt Schaub makes a crap-load of money, and has for several years now. He would land on his good foot somewhere even if we traded him or cut him. He's been given as many years, or more, as other Texans who didn't help us reach a new level.

He's been given a square deal by the Texans, so I can't stand it when people (the fans) try to paint others as being harsh on Matt Schaub. Or having too little patience for Matt. Like we just don't "believe" enough. He's a grown man, his talent is where it is, and it won't go higher than what we've seen no matter what is placed around him. At some point, a defense figures out even the best-stacked offenses in this league.

Having a full arsenal around Matt does not guarantee you a thing.

Frankly, I'm to the point that even his good games don't matter much to me because I know the true end destination of any ship that Matt captains.

GP
01-19-2013, 04:59 PM
Maybe no one is hinting at injury because maybe one does not exist. Seems like a pretty simple concept imo. The HC hasn't said anything. No member of the coaching staff have said anything. No teammates have said anything. Heck, even the player himself hasn't said anything. That only leads most to one conclusion...there is no excruciating pain or injury to be spoken of. Schaub simply played bad. Is this just a slump or a permanent regression in his game is what remains to be seen imo. I hope its just a temporary slump because I want this team to have hope for AFC Championships & Super Bowls, but Schaub didn't end on a good note & it will remain to be seen next season if he can bounce back. Of course a bounce back was what we wanted the last few games of the season but never got.

I don't expect Andre to say anything. He never has & if he does it won't be negative because Andre is a class act who backs his teammates even if its just by simply remaining silent.

I don't think Matt would even tell Gary that his foot was bothering him.

Seriously.

He comes off as the type of player who will gut it out, which is testimony to his perseverance and toughness. He's tough, I don't doubt that at all. But I think he'd be hesitant to let anybody know that he's struggling out there due to his foot. Only he knows, though.

So yeah, until something is said...might as well focus on the thing we DO know: He hasn't played very good when facing elite teams and in crucial games against those elite teams.