PDA

View Full Version : Posey tore his Achilles.


robroy72
01-13-2013, 07:20 PM
Should be back in time for the reg. season.

GlenRice
01-13-2013, 07:24 PM
Rick Smith please go it vet wide receiver who still can play.

deucetx
01-13-2013, 07:25 PM
Good (in regards to him being able to be back in time and not the injury, heh). We need the guy next year. He looked pretty decent out there and this team needs speed like yesterday. We need to be able to at least seem like we can stretch a field which means more speed on the field offensively. I liked what I saw from the kid and his fight.

fiasco west
01-13-2013, 07:28 PM
Horrible news for development.

Texcore
01-13-2013, 07:30 PM
Tearing your achilles is a bad injury. Athletes who tear their achilles tend to never gain their original speed back.

aussie_texan
01-13-2013, 07:30 PM
he'll come back but its doubtful he will gain full explosion in that leg. can be healed 100% but very hard injury to come back from

Brisco_County
01-13-2013, 07:31 PM
Back when this happened to DeMeco, CnD said that a best case scenario for recovery is to regain about 80% of explosiveness. How that is gauged I don't know.

gtexan02
01-13-2013, 07:33 PM
Wow, this sucks. He was really coming on. He needed to be healthy for minicamp and training camp.

Back when this happened to DeMeco, CnD said that a best case scenario for recovery is to regain about 80% of explosiveness. How that is gauged I don't know.

They said that about Adrian Peterson too. Predictions are based on average recovery. lets hope that Posey is a hard worker

deucetx
01-13-2013, 07:40 PM
Back when this happened to DeMeco, CnD said that a best case scenario for recovery is to regain about 80% of explosiveness. How that is gauged I don't know.

Damn if that is the case then he probably won't be able help next year or not til later. Looks like we'll definitely be looked for some receiving help. Tough break for the kid that showed some actual promise then. Hope his recover goes that Adrian Peterson route that exceeds expectations, heh.

MEGA SWATT
01-13-2013, 07:43 PM
Damn if that is the case then he probably won't be able help next year or not til later. Looks like we'll definitely be looked for some receiving help. Tough break for the kid that showed some actual promise then. Hope his recover goes that Adrian Peterson route that exceeds expectations, heh.

What if he recovers from this the way AP recovered from knee injury?

I know, diff. injury, but b4 AP recovered as he did...you would not have expected the yr he had after that knee injury..........

Brisco_County
01-13-2013, 07:43 PM
Wow, this sucks. He was really coming on. He needed to be healthy for minicamp and training camp.



They said that about Adrian Peterson too. Predictions are based on average recovery. lets hope that Posey is a hard worker

This is a completely different injury.

MEGA SWATT
01-13-2013, 07:44 PM
This is a completely different injury.

point is, AP took the knee recovery to a new level......


Posey can do similar for the achilles tear.

kiwitexansfan
01-13-2013, 07:46 PM
Where is CND when we need him?

gtexan02
01-13-2013, 07:46 PM
point is, AP took the knee recovery to a new level......


Posey can do similar for the achilles tear.

Yup. It seems like any major injury, achilles or ACL/MCL usually results in loss of performance upon return to play.

I've got faith in Posey -- especially because he's so young.

Brisco_County
01-13-2013, 07:48 PM
Go with the case studies on this one and don't get your hopes up.

Vinny
01-13-2013, 08:07 PM
I've got faith in Posey -- especially because he's so young.
we really didn't have him this year except for taking a roster spot....not playing much this year plus not having him next season plus him not playing last year doesn't give him much on field experience for when he does come back.

CloakNNNdagger
01-13-2013, 08:08 PM
Where is CND when we need him?

I wouldn't be counting on him for next season.

Goodwrench3
01-13-2013, 08:10 PM
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli

WR DeVier Posey tore his left Achilles tendon. He'll be out most, if not all, of next season with that. #Texans



Terrible

beerlover
01-13-2013, 08:13 PM
Sad just freaking sad. I feel bad for everyone involved. This all but assures Texans draft a WR in the first or second round.

CloakNNNdagger
01-13-2013, 08:18 PM
Wow, this sucks. He was really coming on. He needed to be healthy for minicamp and training camp.



They said that about Adrian Peterson too. Predictions are based on average recovery. lets hope that Posey is a hard worker

ACL recovery is much more predictable and carries a more favorable prognosis than Achilles rupture. Furthermore, pointing to AP is like pointing to George Burns smoking until he died at 103.......and concluding that smoking doesn't shorten your life.

TejasTom
01-13-2013, 08:20 PM
Adding injury to insult.

fiasco west
01-13-2013, 08:20 PM
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli

WR DeVier Posey tore his left Achilles tendon. He'll be out most, if not all, of next season with that. #Texans



Terrible

Horrible news. Big setback for his development. Someone said earlier it could ruin his career, I agree.

He looked really good out there. The guys on NFLN think the Texans need to aggressively go after another game changer on offense like how the Falcons traded up for Jones, maybe so now.

Mr. Texan
01-13-2013, 08:21 PM
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli

WR DeVier Posey tore his left Achilles tendon. He'll be out most, if not all, of next season with that. #Texans



Terrible

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7kfreNoJH1qfjbk4o1_400.gif

Playoffs
01-13-2013, 08:23 PM
Another horrible injury, especially for a WR.

Add that to our draft needs, now.

SAMURAITEXAN
01-13-2013, 08:28 PM
ACL recovery is much more predictable and carries a more favorable prognosis than Achilles rupture. Furthermore, pointing to AP is like pointing to George Burns smoking until he died at 103.......and concluding that smoking doesn't shorten your life.

Doc, this kind of injury is depends on how much and where on Achilles tore right? I remember the last time you explained us about tore Achilles recovery is that he may not likely to recover 100% playing form but more like 80-90% right?

TexanSam
01-13-2013, 08:29 PM
Wasn't it an achilles injury that slowed down DeMeco Ryans after he returned? Hopefully Posey can recover and come back close to full speed for training camp or preseason...

CloakNNNdagger
01-13-2013, 08:58 PM
Doc, this kind of injury is depends on how much and where on Achilles tore right? I remember the last time you explained us about tore Achilles recovery is that he may not likely to recover 100% playing form but more like 80-90% right?

An NFL athlete will have surgical repair whether it is complete or partial rupture. Those that are not surgically repaired and treated conservatively historically have shown ~60% return to play as opposed to ~70% (i.e., never returned to play in the NFL) Historically, a wide receiver was found to have ~ 85% reduction in power rating in the years following repair. His youth as well as improved techniques will possibly factor in / benefit him regarding these numbers, but I cannot tell you how much.

CloakNNNdagger
01-13-2013, 09:00 PM
Wasn't it an achilles injury that slowed down DeMeco Ryans after he returned? Hopefully Posey can recover and come back close to full speed for training camp or preseason...

Like I said before, I wouldn't count on him next season.

SAMURAITEXAN
01-13-2013, 09:27 PM
An NFL athlete will have surgical repair whether it is complete or partial rupture. Those that are not surgically repaired and treated conservatively historically have shown ~60% return to play as opposed to ~70% (i.e., never returned to play in the NFL) Historically, a wide receiver was found to have ~ 85% reduction in power rating in the years following repair. His youth as well as improved techniques will possibly factor in / benefit him regarding these numbers, but I cannot tell you how much.

Thank you as always for your professional comments Doc!

hradhak
01-13-2013, 09:29 PM
Like I said before, I wouldn't count on him next season.

Yeah we'll be lucky if he comes back next season. I would count him out and draft 2 WRs this offseason. Or get one in FA if we can. Posey was shaping up to be a #3, not a #2 anyway.

eriadoc
01-13-2013, 09:55 PM
If he comes back in time for the 2013 season, he won't be 100%. He'll do interviews and tell everyone who will listen that he's better than new, but it'll be a lie. And just so we keep fan exp[expectations in perspective, when Demeco came back and was still slowed by it, fans basically wrote him off. Even though he finally started to really come around at the end of the season, people argued that he was only a part time LBer, which was a result of his injury.

Don't expect much from Posey until 2014.

Tailgate
01-13-2013, 10:20 PM
Posey in 2014!!

dream_team
01-13-2013, 11:23 PM
It's a shame. He was finally starting to show what he can do. I liked his YAC potential. He seems to be hard to bring down.

Vinny
01-13-2013, 11:29 PM
If he comes back in time for the 2013 season, he won't be 100%. He'll do interviews and tell everyone who will listen that he's better than new, but it'll be a lie. And just so we keep fan exp[expectations in perspective, when Demeco came back and was still slowed by it, fans basically wrote him off. Even though he finally started to really come around at the end of the season, people argued that he was only a part time LBer, which was a result of his injury.

Don't expect much from Posey until 2014.then you have a player who's last significant actual playing time was in 2010. He didn't play in 2011, 2012 he really didn't get on the field much at all and 2013 will be spent recuperating. I feel bad for Posey but he's fast falling into the Benny Joppru bizarro world at this point.

gtexan02
01-13-2013, 11:30 PM
Was Posey the one Kubiak was getting after for malingering at the beginning of the season? Or was that someone else?

infantrycak
01-13-2013, 11:55 PM
If he comes back in time for the 2013 season, he won't be 100%. He'll do interviews and tell everyone who will listen that he's better than new, but it'll be a lie. And just so we keep fan exp[expectations in perspective, when Demeco came back and was still slowed by it, fans basically wrote him off. Even though he finally started to really come around at the end of the season, people argued that he was only a part time LBer, which was a result of his injury.

Don't expect much from Posey until 2014.

Yeah and the bold was a ridiculous claim. Uninjured Patrick Willis, heralded by everyone, gets pulled on 3rd down or nickel and dime packages in SF a lot. During their game they said he only played 40% of snaps in the regular season meeting. When you go to nickel and dime someone has to come out.

Brisco_County
01-14-2013, 12:01 AM
An NFL athlete will have surgical repair whether it is complete or partial rupture. Those that are not surgically repaired and treated conservatively historically have shown ~60% return to play as opposed to ~70% (i.e., never returned to play in the NFL) Historically, a wide receiver was found to have ~ 85% reduction in power rating in the years following repair. His youth as well as improved techniques will possibly factor in / benefit him regarding these numbers, but I cannot tell you how much.

This is what I mean by case studies. This particular injury is very unfortunate, especially for someone just beginning his career. Other than possibly losing Posey for next season, our potential big-play threat might end up a possession receiver. It absolutely sucks, and we need to go back to the draft.

eriadoc
01-14-2013, 12:21 AM
then you have a player who's last significant actual playing time was in 2010. He didn't play in 2011, 2012 he really didn't get on the field much at all and 2013 will be spent recuperating. I feel bad for Posey but he's fast falling into the Benny Joppru bizarro world at this point.

At least he was only a 3rd round pick.

:facepalm:

Marcus
01-14-2013, 01:31 AM
This really sucks. I expected him to become not only a regular starter next season, but THE legitimate #2 receiver next season.

To me, it actually hurts a lot worse than just the team losing. And it happens to him at the end of the game when the game is already lost. That really freaking sucks.

It's (performance-degradation wise) a career ending injury. Just SUCKS!

That 3rd round draft pick just vanished.

Rudyball
01-14-2013, 08:04 AM
2 receivers drafted this year and we need two more next year? The grades for Keyshawn and LeStar won't be good, Kevin didn't have a great year and Devier really won't know until 2014 how he will recover from this.

Tailgate
01-14-2013, 08:08 AM
Free agency

b0ng
01-14-2013, 08:15 AM
then you have a player who's last significant actual playing time was in 2010. He didn't play in 2011, 2012 he really didn't get on the field much at all and 2013 will be spent recuperating. I feel bad for Posey but he's fast falling into the Benny Joppru bizarro world at this point.

Not really. He didn't play in 2011 in college due to suspension not injury. This was only his rookie season seems a little early to compare a player who tore his achilles in the last game of the season to a guy who was here for a few years and always knicked up to the point of not being able to play all the time.

GP
01-14-2013, 08:55 AM
I am literally sick.

I had no idea the extent of his injury until just now.

The glimmer of hope I had for 2013 was that we "have" a promising young WR. Now we don't. And with that injury, it's almost impossible for him to be the same.

What a rotten thing to happen to him.

Hervoyel
01-14-2013, 09:50 AM
Not really. He didn't play in 2011 in college due to suspension not injury. This was only his rookie season seems a little early to compare a player who tore his achilles in the last game of the season to a guy who was here for a few years and always knicked up to the point of not being able to play all the time.

By the time he gets on the field again he'll be three years removed from significant playing time. When Joppru finally got on the field for the Texans after three seasons of IR in a row he didn't even make the team. Inactivity is a death sentence for these guys careers.

HOU-TEX
01-14-2013, 10:02 AM
I kinda feel bad for Posey. Going by what coaches and players have said throughout the year, he's busted his bust trying to get on the field. I wish him the best of luck in his rehab to get back.

MEGA SWATT
01-15-2013, 12:35 AM
Wow, was not aware how different this is compared to the knee. In 6 months he could be back to light physical activity, but 1 yr for football activity at subpar performance. Put him on the shelf for next year and then if all goes well, he can be 75%-90% the following year.

CretorFrigg
01-15-2013, 12:39 AM
This means Martin's got to step up next year. Best wishes to Posey.

bckey
01-15-2013, 05:15 AM
Bad news about Posey. I never understood the way the Texans drafted wr last year. I know wr is a crap shoot in the draft but the Texans seemed to take it to another level.

WolverineFan
01-15-2013, 09:59 AM
This means Martin's got to step up next year. Best wishes to Posey.

Martin actually played well this year. Was criminally underused IMO. He's a slot guy though. Isn't on the field as much because Kubiak loves the 2 TE sets. Still need a legit #2. That was supposed to be Posey, but can't count on that anymore. Maybe Jean steps up, but we need to add to add some talent here in the draft.

Texecutioner
01-15-2013, 10:15 AM
Really trying hard to understand why people act like this is such devastating news as if we lost some big time receiver in the making. Posey had proven nothing in this league. Hell, he couldn't even take the reigns from the guys like Walter, Martin, and Jean. He hadn't played in like two years as far as this season went as well. He made a play or two in the last few weeks and that was no better then the sporadic plays that Martin and Jean would come up with from time to time.

Sucks for him to have an injury like that, and I feel bad for any player who gets a bad injury, but this is not a loss at all to the Texans. This guy wasn't promising, nor had he proven anything. He was just another guy on the back of our depth chart like Molden and other guys that people put high hopes for who never did anything on the NFL level.

Vinny
01-15-2013, 10:28 AM
Really trying hard to understand why people act like this is such devastating news as if we lost some big time receiver in the making. Posey had proven nothing in this league. Hell, he couldn't even take the reigns from the guys like Walter, Martin, and Jean. He hadn't played in like two years as far as this season went as well. He made a play or two in the last few weeks and that was no better then the sporadic plays that Martin and Jean would come up with from time to time.

Sucks for him to have an injury like that, and I feel bad for any player who gets a bad injury, but this is not a loss at all to the Texans. This guy wasn't promising, nor had he proven anything. He was just another guy on the back of our depth chart like Molden and other guys that people put high hopes for who never did anything on the NFL level.he's a loss if you considered him the guy that was acceding to a prominent role in this wr depleted offense. No, he isn't proven but he was the proverbial egg in the basket. We're back to finding the next Andre Davis or another 3rd round wr that will take a year to mature and develop.

Texecutioner
01-15-2013, 11:06 AM
he's a loss if you considered him the guy that was acceding to a prominent role in this wr depleted offense. No, he isn't proven but he was the proverbial egg in the basket. We're back to finding the next Andre Davis or another 3rd round wr that will take a year to mature and develop.

I don't think he was anything but another Andre Davis type of guy. I mean, he couldn't even hardly see the field this season when he had Walter, Jean, and Martin in front of him. You think fans from other teams are discussing and wondering what is going to happen with Devier Posey?? Not a chance. The only reason why he is even remotely relevant or even a subject of conversation around here is because he is a Texan that was drafted last season, and was probably going to be the next way over hyped guy that fans of this team get all excited about like they did with JJ and then Jean/Walter from a few pre season games.

Vinny
01-15-2013, 11:14 AM
he's a loss if you considered him the guy that was acceding to a prominent role in this wr depleted offense. No, he isn't proven but he was the proverbial egg in the basket. We're back to finding the next Andre Davis or another 3rd round wr that will take a year to mature and develop.

I don't think he was anything but another Andre Davis type of guy. I mean, he couldn't even hardly see the field this season when he had Walter, Jean, and Martin in front of him. You think fans from other teams are discussing and wondering what is going to happen with Devier Posey?? Not a chance. The only reason why he is even remotely relevant or even a subject of conversation around here is because he is a Texan that was drafted last season, and was probably going to be the next way over hyped guy that fans of this team get all excited about like they did with JJ and then Jean/Walter from a few pre season games. Most teams expect starters out of rounds 1,2, & 3....and at least role players in round 4. By itself it isn't a catastrophic loss but it is a tangible loss if you are the kind of team that builds though the draft (yeah, they all do...semi-sarcasm here). Last time I checked they don't get that pick back and there are good players on other teams that are going to start next season that we passed on.

Marcus
01-15-2013, 02:44 PM
I don't think he was anything but another Andre Davis type of guy. I mean, he couldn't even hardly see the field this season when he had Walter, Jean, and Martin in front of him. You think fans from other teams are discussing and wondering what is going to happen with Devier Posey?? Not a chance. The only reason why he is even remotely relevant or even a subject of conversation around here is because he is a Texan that was drafted last season, and was probably going to be the next way over hyped guy that fans of this team get all excited about like they did with JJ and then Jean/Walter from a few pre season games.

I think you might have underestimated his upside, Tex. I know he was behind Walter, Jean, and Martin in the beginning because, for all intents and purposes, he basically sat out his senior season in college, and frankly, I didn't expect to see him on the field at all this season. The fact that during the season, he was able impress Kubiak enough with his work ethic to the point that he was able to surpass Walter, Jean, and Martin in the pecking order and actually see significant time on the field, and make some plays . . that happened a lot faster than I expected. It told me that this kid had what it took mentally to try to do things necessary to excel.

It was only just about a minute before he blew out his Achilles, that I was thinking, "Wow, just think what he could do for us next year", with this season behind him, and the the further progression in the mini-camps and in another training camp. I saw an emerging star on the rise.

And now it will never be. That's what's so tragic.

HJam72
01-15-2013, 08:43 PM
I'm not holding it against any player that hasn't seen enough playing time behind Walter. The Walter favoritism is getting really old.

IDEXAN
01-15-2013, 08:52 PM
Posey made a couple of real good plays Sunday, and in a modest sort of way it could be considered his "coming out party". This is an unfortunate setback for the team at a position where it really needs help at, and this particular type of injury has to be nothing short of a devastating setback to young Posey and his hopes of succeeding in the NFL.

Tailgate
01-15-2013, 09:45 PM
Its time for me to put this kid far in the back of my mind and hope for a surprise one day.

CloakNNNdagger
01-15-2013, 10:25 PM
Not really. He didn't play in 2011 in college due to suspension not injury. This was only his rookie season seems a little early to compare a player who tore his achilles in the last game of the season to a guy who was here for a few years and always knicked up to the point of not being able to play all the time.

Achilles tendon rupture is very commonly preceded by an "aura" tendonitis. The continued inflammation eventually breaks down and weakens the tendon until it finally ruptures. Going into the Draft, one of the significant concerns was his size because he seemed to always be dealing with a list of "minor" injuries. Many said that he would have to bulk up to be successful in the NFL.

You may find it interesting to know that throughout his college career, he would wear a patellar tendon band below his knee joint, sometimes on the right, sometimes on the left and sometimes on both sides. Patellar tendon bands are worn by athletes that are having problems due to patellar tendonitis (inflammation/also known as Jumper's or Runner's knee [remember Cushing's patellar tendon rupture]).


http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/tsminteractive.com/files/2011/10/danherron.jpg

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000zsJHM9q.Wig/s/750/750/DeVier-Posey-Ohio-State-vs-Oregon-Rose-Bowl.jpg

http://www.wosn.tv/btpblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/DeVier-Posey-back-to-pass-vs-NMSU-2009.jpg

76Texan
01-16-2013, 10:51 AM
Don't sell Posey short.

He had had several good games in college against NFL-caliber DBs.

In 09, for example, he went to Oregon and tallied 8 catches for 101 yards against a very good pass defense that include 4 guys now playing in the NFL: T.J. Ward, Walter Thurmond, Jairus Byrd, and Patrick Chung.
And these guys had one to two years of experience ahead of him

Those are just one example of the kind of team/players he went up against in college with QBs that were not even considered good passing college QBs.
Ohio St. don't pass the ball all that much to start with, especially when compared to the Big 12.

Tailgate
01-16-2013, 11:09 AM
From everything I have read this is a 6-11 month recovery time for a highly active athlete such as an NFL player. I would expect him to be back in time for the season if surgery goes as expected with no complications. Getting him back to pre injury form obviously could be much longer. Maybe he can get back to form middle to late season in time for playoffs should we return. Maybe its not all doom and gloom.

CB Leon Hall ruptured his achillies in mid Nov of 2011 and played in every game in 2012.

LB Terrell Suggs partially tore achillies in May of this year and was back in Oct and played in every game since.

CloakNNNdagger
01-16-2013, 10:24 PM
The Texans have not disclosed if Posey's Achilles tear is partial or complete. However, his description of feeling like he got shot when it happened. That is classic for a complete rupture. Also Posey could not walk on that foot after the occurrence. This is the classic for a complete rupture not only because the Achilles cannot allow applying force to the ball of the foot (foot pointing down position) for a walking motion, but also because of the excruciating pain that it causes trying to do so. Most of time with a partial rupture, patients will have only modest discomfort.....and can continue to walk......many times quite normally.

You might want to look at the Wild Card Week Houston Texans Injury Report. It may surprise you to find Posey was on it with a "FOOT." Remember, in one of my previous posts (#15 above), I explained the "aura" preceding Achilles tendon rupture........i.e., Achilles tendonitis. Well, this condition presents typically with heel pain. And what part of the anatomy is the heel?.......the FOOT. Posey evidently was already demonstrating the warning signs of what was about to happen.

76Texan
01-17-2013, 12:39 AM
The Texans have not disclosed if Posey's Achilles tear is partial or complete. However, his description of feeling like he got shot when it happened. That is classic for a complete rupture. Also Posey could not walk on that foot after the occurrence. This is the classic for a complete rupture not only because the Achilles cannot allow applying force to the ball of the foot (foot pointing down position) for a walking motion, but also because of the excruciating pain that it causes trying to do so. Most of time with a partial rupture, patients will have only modest discomfort.....and can continue to walk......many times quite normally.

You might want to look at the Wild Card Week Houston Texans Injury Report. It may surprise you to find Posey was on it with a "FOOT." Remember, in one of my previous posts (#15 above), I explained the "aura" preceding Achilles tendon rupture........i.e., Achilles tendonitis. Well, this condition presents typically with heel pain. And what part of the anatomy is the heel?.......the FOOT. Posey evidently was already demonstrating the warning signs of what was about to happen.I'm not counting on him being back and productive anytime soon, Doc.

I was only providing the view on the field, from one corner.

steelbtexan
01-17-2013, 12:40 AM
The Texans have not disclosed if Posey's Achilles tear is partial or complete. However, his description of feeling like he got shot when it happened. That is classic for a complete rupture. Also Posey could not walk on that foot after the occurrence. This is the classic for a complete rupture not only because the Achilles cannot allow applying force to the ball of the foot (foot pointing down position) for a walking motion, but also because of the excruciating pain that it causes trying to do so. Most of time with a partial rupture, patients will have only modest discomfort.....and can continue to walk......many times quite normally.

You might want to look at the Wild Card Week Houston Texans Injury Report. It may surprise you to find Posey was on it with a "FOOT." Remember, in one of my previous posts (#15 above), I explained the "aura" preceding Achilles tendon rupture........i.e., Achilles tendonitis. Well, this condition presents typically with heel pain. And what part of the anatomy is the heel?.......the FOOT. Posey evidently was already demonstrating the warning signs of what was about to happen.

This post really makes me feel sad for Posey.

He basically ruined his career and the team docs either didn't know or didn't care about the risk of him playing in that game.

I'm hoping/praying that you can have a successful career DeVier. Even though it probably cant/wont be what it could/should have been.

When are fans going to start asking the hard questions about the Texans team physicians? This yr Reed/Cody/Posey etc... not to mention the signing of Schaub to a 4 yr deal when he obviously will never be the QB he was in 2009.

Not to mention days gone by Boselli/Joppru/Davis=Williams etc.... These docs are at best negligent and at worst $$$$$ whores. After all who will be doing Poseys surgery? Who will profit from said surgery?

Unlike the rest of the Texans org. BoB seems to be losing alot of $$$$/players because of his medical staff/trainers incompetence. IMHO

CloakNNNdagger
01-17-2013, 08:00 AM
I'm not counting on him being back and productive anytime soon, Doc.

I was only providing the view on the field, from one corner.

And I believe that that "corner" were the same reasons I also shared your and some others' enthusiasm of of where he might progress with the Texans. Very sad. Very disappointing.

Tailgate
01-17-2013, 08:36 AM
This post really makes me feel sad for Posey.

He basically ruined his career and the team docs either didn't know or didn't care about the risk of him playing in that game.

I'm hoping/praying that you can have a successful career DeVier. Even though it probably cant/wont be what it could/should have been.

When are fans going to start asking the hard questions about the Texans team physicians? This yr Reed/Cody/Posey etc... not to mention the signing of Schaub to a 4 yr deal when he obviously will never be the QB he was in 2009.

Not to mention days gone by Boselli/Joppru/Davis=Williams etc.... These docs are at best negligent and at worst $$$$$ whores. After all who will be doing Poseys surgery? Who will profit from said surgery?

Unlike the rest of the Texans org. BoB seems to be losing alot of $$$$/players because of his medical staff/trainers incompetence. IMHO


Oh here we go with the conspiracy theories... Way to go doc!

steelbtexan
01-17-2013, 10:22 AM
Oh here we go with the conspiracy theories... Way to go doc!

No conspiracy theories here.

Just pointing out some of the more costly mistakes the Texans medical staff/trainers have made.

What I want to know is why Uncle BoB continues to employ them. It's obvious to me at the very least they are in over their collective heads, or at worst negligent. Players are human beings, not cattle which is how everybody from Smith/Gary/Dr Lowe and all down the line are culpable in the miss handling of their players injuries.

Remember Rick, basically telling Ahman Green he wasn't hurt and he needed to get back on the field. Even though Green was obviously injured.

Rick/Gary learned at the feet of Shanny Sr. and the way Shanny handled the RG3 situation should let us know how Rick/Gary think about their roster in relation to injuries.

thunderkyss
01-17-2013, 11:46 AM
point is, AP took the knee recovery to a new level......


Posey can do similar for the achilles tear.

My daughter just had her ACL replaced two years ago. It didn't "take" very well, & we ended up having to do it again this year. According to the doctors, there's been major advances in how this has been repaired in that short amount of time.

The first time they repaired it, the doctor said the chances of it "taking" was something like 80%, this time, more like 95% Even her therapy & some of the other things she's doing for recovery is totally different now.


So in my mind, unless there has been some major medical advances for repairing the achilles.... I'm not going to be too hopeful that Posey can pick up where he left off.

I'd like to think Drafting a WR is what we need to do, but it's rare that you're going to get a guy who can contribute this year, unless you're picking top 10 or something like that. Where we're drafting, we need to find a vet with some game left.

paycheck71
01-17-2013, 12:26 PM
No conspiracy theories here.

Just pointing out some of the more costly mistakes the Texans medical staff/trainers have made.



I really don't think it has anything to do with Texans doctors specifically. It's the culture of the NFL - if you can walk, you can play. I've heard someone on the radio contrast NFL and MLB in that respect. If a pitcher "feels" something iffy with his elbow, he's done, off to the doctors, better safe than sorry. If a QB tears up his knee (RGIII, P.Rivers a few years back), they slap a knee brace on him and send him back out.

thunderkyss
01-19-2013, 11:47 AM
The Texans have not disclosed if Posey's Achilles tear is partial or complete. However, his description of feeling like he got shot when it happened. That is classic for a complete rupture. Also Posey could not walk on that foot after the occurrence. This is the classic for a complete rupture not only because the Achilles cannot allow applying force to the ball of the foot (foot pointing down position) for a walking motion, but also because of the excruciating pain that it causes trying to do so. Most of time with a partial rupture, patients will have only modest discomfort.....and can continue to walk......many times quite normally.


So, he's done if it were in fact a complete rupture. At least for the 2013 season. What's the prognosis if the tear is on the completely other side of the spectrum. We know the worst case scenario, what are the best cases & what can we look for from here, to help us figure out the true extent of the injury?

CloakNNNdagger
01-19-2013, 01:42 PM
So, he's done if it were in fact a complete rupture. At least for the 2013 season. What's the prognosis if the tear is on the completely other side of the spectrum. We know the worst case scenario, what are the best cases & what can we look for from here, to help us figure out the true extent of the injury?

From all signs, it would surprise me if he suffered anything but a complete rupture. But, if it is a partial rupture, it is so variable as to what "partial" really means.........is it a longitudinal rupture?.....is it a transverse rupture?......does it involve the gastrocnemius muscle tendon (superficial component of the Achilles) and/or the soleus muscle tendon (deep component of the Achilles)?........does it require an interposed graft for repair?

http://arabbones.com/educations/Achilles-Tendon-Problems_files/image004.gif

A prognosis could be the same as for a complete or all the way down to 6 months like Suggs. What really wasn't publicized in the exceptional recovery case of Suggs is that it was a localized tear that required a very limited 3 cm transverse incision (as opposed to the classic 8 cm longitudinal incision). This is not a very realistic recovery for the typical more extensive tear that usually occurs when referred to as "partial."

http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/media/page/_master/422/images/partial-achilles-rupture.png

http://media.jaapa.com/images/2009/08/04/J0809CME-achilles_f1_64623_64626.gif

http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S1268773109000988-gr1.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpVI1SOCyKEHjKd-R07ABNLwTcYiUSHb3y7BHSPS3yVnIZhxjoTw

drs23
01-19-2013, 01:53 PM
From all signs, it would surprise me if he suffered anything but a complete rupture. But, if it is a partial rupture, it is so variable as to what "partial" really means.........is it a longitudinal rupture?.....is it a transverse rupture?......does it involve the gastrocnemius muscle tendon (superficial component of the Achilles) and/or the soleus muscle tendon (deep component of the Achilles)?........does it require an interposed graft for repair?

http://arabbones.com/educations/Achilles-Tendon-Problems_files/image004.gif

A prognosis could be the same as for a complete or all the way down to 6 months like Suggs. What really wasn't publicized in the exceptional recovery case of Suggs is that it was a localized tear that required a very limited 3 cm transverse incision (as opposed to the classic 8 cm longitudinal incision). This is not a very realistic recovery for the typical more extensive tear that usually occurs when referred to as "partial."

http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/media/page/_master/422/images/partial-achilles-rupture.png

http://media.jaapa.com/images/2009/08/04/J0809CME-achilles_f1_64623_64626.gif

http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S1268773109000988-gr1.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpVI1SOCyKEHjKd-R07ABNLwTcYiUSHb3y7BHSPS3yVnIZhxjoTw

Sunny Beaches, OUCH!

Not being a Debbie Downer but taking everything Doc has told us I'd be surprised to see him on the field again.

Really hope he can return though. I saw enough to give me a little more hope than Tex has or even ever had.

thunderkyss
01-19-2013, 02:03 PM
A prognosis could be the same as for a complete or all the way down to 6 months like Suggs. What really wasn't publicized in the exceptional recovery case of Suggs is that it was a localized tear that required a very limited 3 cm transverse incision (as opposed to the classic 8 cm longitudinal incision). This is not a very realistic recovery for the typical more extensive tear that usually occurs when referred to as "partial."


So either way, we shouldn't expect to see him for OTAs. Best case scenario he's working with the team during training camp, but seeing him on the field is out of the question for even the best case scenario.

If he's not on the field come September, we're not going to see him till December at the earliest & if it's that long, he won't be able to help us on any kind of late season run.


right?

281
02-01-2013, 03:33 PM
"Posey Slated to Return Opening of 2013 Season"

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/?p=10168

---

I hate to say it, but I highly doubt this.

Scooter
02-01-2013, 03:47 PM
it's possible, from what i've read it's a 8-12 month recovery and opening day would put him at 9 months. of course suggs came back after only 6, but that has to be a bit of an anomaly. it may take him most of the season to get his wheels back, but there probably is a reasonable chance he can be on the opening day lineup.

76Texan
02-01-2013, 04:02 PM
Got to have another speedster; they just got to have another one.
Can't count on his recovery, I don't think.

Doppelganger
02-01-2013, 04:04 PM
it's possible, from what i've read it's a 8-12 month recovery and opening day would put him at 9 months. of course suggs came back after only 6, but that has to be a bit of an anomaly. it may take him most of the season to get his wheels back, but there probably is a reasonable chance he can be on the opening day lineup.

Part of that may be draft smoke screens. If you say he will be back for the opening game, its draft strategy. Rather than say he is out for the year and you are desperate for a WR, you say he will come back opening day. That way if you want to trade up, other teams do not think you are desperate and gouge you on a deal.

76Texan
02-01-2013, 04:09 PM
Part of that may be draft smoke screens. If you say he will be back for the opening game, its draft strategy. Rather than say he is out for the year and you are desperate for a WR, you say he will come back opening day. That way if you want to trade up, other teams do not think you are desperate and gouge you on a deal.

Could be it!

Big Lou
02-01-2013, 05:18 PM
From all signs, it would surprise me if he suffered anything but a complete rupture. But, if it is a partial rupture, it is so variable as to what "partial" really means.........is it a longitudinal rupture?.....is it a transverse rupture?......does it involve the gastrocnemius muscle tendon (superficial component of the Achilles) and/or the soleus muscle tendon (deep component of the Achilles)?........does it require an interposed graft for repair?

http://arabbones.com/educations/Achilles-Tendon-Problems_files/image004.gif

A prognosis could be the same as for a complete or all the way down to 6 months like Suggs. What really wasn't publicized in the exceptional recovery case of Suggs is that it was a localized tear that required a very limited 3 cm transverse incision (as opposed to the classic 8 cm longitudinal incision). This is not a very realistic recovery for the typical more extensive tear that usually occurs when referred to as "partial."




Doc, you are the man, and I always love your analysis, but holy crap that last pictures hurts to look at. I'm not ussually squeemish, but from 19-21 years of age I had something wrong with my achilles that made it excruciatingly painful to be touched or bumped directly. So this is like nails on a chalk board!!!!

GP
02-01-2013, 05:54 PM
"Posey Slated to Return Opening of 2013 Season"

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/?p=10168

---

I hate to say it, but I highly doubt this.

Yep, it's just draft trickery.

CloakNNNdagger
02-01-2013, 06:20 PM
I had an interesting conversation with a UK orthopedic surgeon a while back. He said that in their football players (soccer), it is not rare to see Achilles ruptures. He said that at one of their conferences, there appeared to be a pattern to see these injuries occur when players made a change from one playing surface to another (grass and turf) either way, not including practice time surfaces. Just for the heck of it, I looked at Demeco and Posey.

Demeco:
week before rupture-Metlife Stadium-turf
week of rupture-Arrowhead Stadium-grass

Posey:
week before rupture-Reliant Stadium-grass
week of rupture-Gillette Stadium-turf

Just found it interesting.:tiphat:

Playoffs
06-07-2013, 04:21 PM
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield

的知 preparing like I知 going out to practice every day. I知 sitting in meetings taking notes like I知 a rookie again." @DPo8 #Texans

DeVier Posey tore his Achilles on Jan 13. Demaryius Thomas tore his in Feb 2011 and was able to practice by Sept 5

I'll be surprised if DeVier Posey doesn't come back strong from his Achilles injury. Very impressive attitude, work ethic

DeVier Posey (Achilles) expects to be on field for rehab next week, eyes Sept/Oct return: http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/WR-DeVier-Posey-Achilles-expects-to-be-on-field-next-week/9fb37e29-ff84-4122-b45c-f1804246ba56 #Texans

http://www.houstontexans.com/assets/images/imported/HOU/photos/In_Story_Photos_400_190/580posey.jpg

thunderkyss
06-07-2013, 04:44 PM
DeVier Posey tore his Achilles on Jan 13. Demaryius Thomas tore his in Feb 2011 and was able to practice by Sept 5

I'll be surprised if DeVier Posey doesn't come back strong from his Achilles injury. Very impressive attitude, work ethic


What do we know about Demariyius Thomas' Achilles? Was it a complete rupture? How does it compare to Devier's?

I'm googling, this (http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/5/23/4358582/michael-crabtree-injury-demaryius-thomas-achilles-tear) is the first thing I found
Broncos wide receiver Demaryius Thomas suffered an Achilles tear in February 2011, and returned to practice in early September. He spoke with media on Wednesday:

"He's a great player and I'm sure he's going to work hard to get back and listen to all the people that he's got to listen to," Thomas said Wednesday. "But it's difficult at first, because it took a while for me to be able to do anything. You know, I had to wear a boot for six to eight weeks, and I couldn't do anything but upper body stuff. Once I got it off, I still had to take time, because it's a serious injury, and you don't want to take it too fast."

Thomas also indicated he didn't feel 100% until seven months after the injury. Thomas did not return to game action until October 23, 2011, but that stretch between his return to practice and returning October 23 was due in large part to breaking his left pinkie finger in his first practice back

How long was Posey in a boot?

CloakNNNdagger
06-07-2013, 07:32 PM
What do we know about Demariyius Thomas' Achilles? Was it a complete rupture? How does it compare to Devier's?

I'm googling, this (http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/5/23/4358582/michael-crabtree-injury-demaryius-thomas-achilles-tear) is the first thing I found


How long was Posey in a boot?

First of all I find it somewhat curious that Thomas would say "I had to wear a boot for six to eight weeks." Most players would certainly remember that experience to be quite specific when answering that question.

Typically, a boot is worn most of the time for ~12 weeks because this is the time when a tendon's healing strength is universally deemed adequate. Seldom will a surgeon compromise this period.

Thomas' broken pinkie would not have kept him out for an extra 6 weeks. His fracture was simply pinned. Football players are typically returned to play within 2-3 weeks.

Lastly, once he returned, his production was virtually worthless before week 13 sometime in the beginning of December.

As the Broncos were originally struggling over the question of placing him on reserve PUP, they would have been much better off putting him on PUP to begin with.

rush2112mn
06-07-2013, 10:54 PM
I think he could be back sometime in late Sep or early Oct at the earliest....that is my opinion......