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01-13-2013, 08:16 PM
That's how many points our offense needs to put on the board to beat New England this year. QB on down, this O is not built for that.

With J.J. Watt, this defense looked a lot better than it really is. Without Watt, our defense may only be average.

J.Jo., Brooks Reed, Connor Barwin all regressed in 2012, as did Danieal Manning.

We need to get more out of these guys, and we need figure out a way to get our guys in better positions to succeed against top level QBs.

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76Texan
01-13-2013, 08:18 PM
And the Texans actually win the TOP this time.

ATXtexanfan
01-13-2013, 08:21 PM
And the Texans actually win the TOP this time.

wow slap in the face. its on the offense. gotta score points, high scoring games this weekend

Titans Sux 72
01-13-2013, 08:26 PM
wow slap in the face. its on the offense. gotta score points, high scoring games this weekend

I agree. All the games this weekend were shoot outs. Texans showed up to gun fight with a sling shot ( ie opening kick off to the 10 yard line and settle for a FG).

Mr teX
01-13-2013, 08:27 PM
Too much to ask of any offense..

ATXtexanfan
01-13-2013, 08:28 PM
Too much to ask of any offense..

except atl, balt, ne, and sf

thunderkyss
01-13-2013, 08:59 PM
That's how many points our offense needs to put on the board to beat New England this year. QB on down, this O is not built for that.

With J.J. Watt, this defense looked a lot better than it really is. Without Watt, our defense may only be average.

J.Jo., Brooks Reed, Connor Barwin all regressed in 2012, as did Danieal Manning.

We need to get more out of these guys, and we need figure out a way to get our guys in better positions to succeed against top level QBs.

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We had Mario & Demeco. Had we not lost those two (salary cap issues aside) we'd have made it through this.

I understand the Mario issue, I never said anything about letting him go to Buffalo. I said our biggest need became outside pass rusher & we need to address that in the offseason. They went & got Merciless...... which looked good on the surface, but I never expected that much drop off in both Barwin & Reed.

& we've been reeling ever since Cushing went out. Keeping Demeco would have fixed that problem right there. He's not as good as Cushing, but he's a lot closer than Mr Alexander.

ObsiWan
01-13-2013, 09:04 PM
We had Mario & Demeco. Had we not lost those two (salary cap issues aside) we'd have made it through this.

I understand the Mario issue, I never said anything about letting him go to Buffalo. I said our biggest need became outside pass rusher & we need to address that in the offseason. They went & got Merciless...... which looked good on the surface, but I never expected that much drop off in both Barwin & Reed.

& we've been reeling ever since Cushing went out. Keeping Demeco would have fixed that problem right there. He's not as good as Cushing, but he's a lot closer than Mr Alexander.
Not really.

Belichick would have isolated DeMeco on a RB just like he did our dime store ILBs. DeMeco's strong suit was NOT pass coverage.

ATXtexanfan
01-13-2013, 09:05 PM
Not really.

Belichick would have isolated DeMeco on a RB just like he did our dime store ILBs. DeMeco's strong suit was NOT pass coverage.

what he said

legacy_gt
01-13-2013, 09:05 PM
this one is on wade. he didn't practice the team against the no huddle and the def was not ready so often near the red zone.

hardly any team is going to score more than 40 on a playoff pats team.

EllisUnit
01-13-2013, 09:05 PM
Rudd did a hell of a job on coverage IMO. Some might think i am crazy but i would like to see him and cushing in the middle next season. I like Rudd and what he brings to the table.

JCTexan
01-13-2013, 09:07 PM
this one is on wade. he didn't practice the team against the no huddle and the def was not ready so often near the red zone.

hardly any team is going to score more than 40 on a playoff pats team.

How do you practice against a no huddle if your offense can't run it effectively?

legacy_gt
01-13-2013, 09:13 PM
How do you practice against a no huddle if your offense can't run it effectively?

the time the defense lines up took forever. def was still getting set when brady got the ball from the snap. look at the 3 touchdowns. that last td nobody touched the rb (except for kareem in the endzone). also that quick pass 1 on 1 soft coverage. terrible...

AMartin56
01-13-2013, 09:34 PM
We easily had the worst QB in the final 8. And you could make the argument that SF have TWO that are better than Schaub. Pretty sad when you consider how many years he's been in the year compared to some of these guys.

76Texan
01-13-2013, 09:36 PM
wow slap in the face. its on the offense. gotta score points, high scoring games this weekend

Do you realize that of the 4 losing teams, the Seahawks were the only one that tied with us in offensive scoring?

76Texan
01-13-2013, 09:39 PM
Do you realize that both Peyton and Rodgers had led their team to fewer scores?

Rey
01-13-2013, 09:40 PM
Get with it or get lost.

Titans Sux 72
01-13-2013, 09:41 PM
Do you realize that of the 4 losing teams, the Seahawks were the only one that tied with us in offensive scoring?

So the Texans were the best scoring losing team. Lol

Titans Sux 72
01-13-2013, 09:42 PM
Do you realize that both Peyton and Rodgers had led their team to fewer scores?

It's not about being Peyton or Rogers its about winning a play off game this weekend.

76Texan
01-13-2013, 09:42 PM
Get with it or get lost.

Tell it to Peyton and Rodgers and Romo and Eli and Rivers and Brees and so on.

Rey
01-13-2013, 09:45 PM
Tell it to Peyton and Rodgers and Romo and Eli and Rivers and Brees and so on.

They are telling themselves that already since they are sitting at home.

AJ-80
01-13-2013, 09:47 PM
I don't think people expected our defense to change the way it did by losing Mario Williams. He was a HUGE factor, more than people gave him credit for at the time. Losing Cushing took our D to a new low. We need to draft an inside linebacker in one of the first two rounds.

76Texan
01-13-2013, 09:55 PM
They are telling themselves that already since they are sitting at home.

And do you realize that a couple teams left in this SB chase attempted fewer passes than we did?

The combo of Smith and Kaepernick lacked Schaub more than 100 attempts, did you realize that?

klockWork
01-13-2013, 09:56 PM
Our problem is our edge rushers are strictly edge rushers. Meanwhile Brady is delivering the ball just within the edges. Get the picture?

Rey
01-13-2013, 09:59 PM
And do you realize that a couple teams left in this SB chase attempted fewer passes than we did?

The combo of Smith and Kaepernick lacked Schaub more than 100 attempts, did you realize that?

LOL...

Now you're just saying anything. What the heck does that have to do with anything?

steelbtexan
01-13-2013, 10:00 PM
We had Mario & Demeco. Had we not lost those two (salary cap issues aside) we'd have made it through this.

I understand the Mario issue, I never said anything about letting him go to Buffalo. I said our biggest need became outside pass rusher & we need to address that in the offseason. They went & got Merciless...... which looked good on the surface, but I never expected that much drop off in both Barwin & Reed.

& we've been reeling ever since Cushing went out. Keeping Demeco would have fixed that problem right there. He's not as good as Cushing, but he's a lot closer than Mr Alexander.

Teams that win in the playoffs score pts. See ATL 30, Balt 38, NE 41 SF 45. Are you seeing a trend here? You are a stats guy? It's time to fix the offense.

Tell me how MW & DeMeco would've helped with this.

thunderkyss
01-13-2013, 10:03 PM
I don't think people expected our defense to change the way it did by losing Mario Williams. He was a HUGE factor, more than people gave him credit for at the time.

Many people don't want to admit it, but we knew.

But hey, we did address it.

As long as either Brooks Reed or Connor Barwin were able to repeat their success, we would have been ok. In case neither of them were able to produce, we drafted the best pass rusher at our spot.... or so they say.

We had three reasons to believe our outside rush would be sufficient & failed on all three.

Luckily Jj Watt surpassed all expectations.

thunderkyss
01-13-2013, 10:07 PM
Teams that win in the playoffs score pts. See ATL 30, Balt 38, NE 41 SF 45. Are you seeing a trend here? You are a stats guy? It's time to fix the offense.

Tell me how MW & DeMeco would've helped with this.

Brady wouldn't have scored 41 points if we had a good day from Mario Williams.

I don't know if 28 points would have been enough though.

I'm not saying we don't have problems on offense, just saying our problems on defense was not having a replacement for Mario Williams. I said last year that chances are either Brooks Reed or Connor Barwin were not going to maintain. I didn't think neither of them would.

I also didn't expect to replace Demeco with Bradie James & have Cushing go out early in the season.

legacy_gt
01-13-2013, 10:07 PM
Many people don't want to admit it, but we knew.

But hey, we did address it.

As long as either Brooks Reed or Connor Barwin were able to repeat their success, we would have been ok. In case neither of them were able to produce, we drafted the best pass rusher at our spot.... or so they say.

We had three reasons to believe our outside rush would be sufficient & failed on all three.

Luckily Jj Watt surpassed all expectations.

reed and barwin were no names today.

76Texan
01-13-2013, 10:11 PM
LOL...

Now you're just saying anything. What the heck does that have to do with anything?

I was under the impression that you think the Texans are too much of a running team; maybe I assume wrongly?

steelbtexan
01-13-2013, 10:15 PM
Do you realize that of the 4 losing teams, the Seahawks were the only one that tied with us in offensive scoring?

The Texans scored 2 TD's after Belichik called off the dogs and started playing prevent defense. But carry on about how the Texans were the best losing offense in the playoffs. Stats are for losers, scoreboard is all about winners.

76Texan
01-13-2013, 10:17 PM
Teams that win in the playoffs score pts. See ATL 30, Balt 38, NE 41 SF 45. Are you seeing a trend here? You are a stats guy? It's time to fix the offense.

Tell me how MW & DeMeco would've helped with this.

Only 2 two of those teams scored more than us in the regular season;
And the Falcons only had 3 more points (I'm not 100% sure, but I think we had more offensive points than they do.)

handswarmer
01-13-2013, 10:18 PM
The Texans are whhere the Falcons were for the last few years...just needing to get up over the hump

76Texan
01-13-2013, 10:18 PM
The Texans scored 2 TD's after Belichik called off the dogs and started playing prevent defense. But carry on about how the Texans were the best losing offense in the playoffs. Stats are for losers, scoreboard is all about winners.

You are overstating it as usual.

steelbtexan
01-13-2013, 10:23 PM
Only 2 two of those teams scored more than us in the regular season;
And the Falcons only had 3 more points (I'm not 100% sure, but I think we had more offensive points than they do.)

Tell me more about the last 6 wks of the season? Playoffs?

steelbtexan
01-13-2013, 10:24 PM
You are overstating it as usual.

Overstating?

About calling off the dogs?

Or that scoreboard is all that counts?

Rey
01-13-2013, 10:26 PM
I was under the impression that you think the Texans are too much of a running team; maybe I assume wrongly?

Smh...

What are you reading? Since you're not even reading what I'm typing I guess this is a good point to end this "conversation"...

76Texan
01-13-2013, 10:30 PM
Smh...

What are you reading? Since you're not even reading what I'm typing I guess this is a good point to end this "conversation"...

The only thing you really post in this thread is "get with it or get lost".

You left a lot of things unsaid, how Am I supposed to read your mind?

76Texan
01-13-2013, 10:35 PM
Overstating?

About calling off the dogs?

Or that scoreboard is all that counts?

You're overstating it because you don't take it into consideration the other things that had been going on besides Schaub and his obvious shortcoming.
Instead, you do the exact opposite.

steelbtexan
01-13-2013, 10:56 PM
You're overstating it because you don't take it into consideration the other things that had been going on besides Schaub and his obvious shortcoming.
Instead, you do the exact opposite.

Where did I mention Schaub? I used to be a Schaub guy but they need to upgrade the position because he will never be the same due to his foot injury. (Check with the medical people on the MB and I believe you will find that this is NOT an overstatement)

The Texans obviously need a speed/productive WR2 to open up the offense. An OG/RT need to be upgraded as well. So no, this isn't all on Schaub. Also Gary has had a history of being a conservative playcaller. (Not today)

Exact opposite? Do not follow, What other things are going on that I need to take into consideration?

hradhak
01-13-2013, 10:58 PM
I think part of our defensive problems is that we are seemingly never playing defense with a lead. Our defense is better when we are ahead. Our offense has been really good on 3rd down conversions in the past and now is just awful.

I'm not letting the defense off the hook, the offense brought us back to 17-13 and then the defense gives up a TD on the first drive after the half. Still, the offense doesn't 3 and out as much and we are in better shape defensively.

76Texan
01-13-2013, 11:04 PM
Where did I mention Schaub? I used to be a Schaub guy but they need to upgrade the position because he will never be the same due to his foot injury. (Check with the medical people on the MB and I believe you will find that this is NOT an overstatement)

The Texans obviously need a speed/productive WR2 to open up the offense. An OG/RT need to be upgraded as well. So no, this isn't all on Schaub. Also Gary has had a history of being a conservative playcaller. (Not today)

Exact opposite? Do not follow, What other things are going on that I need to take into consideration?

You were saying that the Texans needed to score a ton of points.
Obviously, I had to assume that you were talking about Schaub (to a good degree) since none of your other valid points (in this last post) were mentioned earlier.

Or maybe I missed it?

thunderkyss
01-13-2013, 11:07 PM
The Texans are whhere the Falcons were for the last few years...just needing to get up over the hump

& I'm glad the hump is at the divisional round & not 8-8 where it was just two years ago.

thunderkyss
01-13-2013, 11:10 PM
I remember just a few years ago, most people here thought it was preposterous to ask our offense to have to score 30 points to win a game.

Now we need to score 42 or 43 or our offense is broke.

You guys..... I know you're a lot smarter than that.

76Texan
01-13-2013, 11:11 PM
And I believe at the time I mentioned Kaepernick and Wilson, there were few takers.

I hope we see Keenum next year competing with Yates and another guy.

I think Keenum can be a good one, but we do need back-up plan with him due to possible injury.

steelbtexan
01-13-2013, 11:12 PM
You were saying that the Texans needed time score a ton of points.
Obviously, I had to assume that you were talking about Schaub (to a good degree) since none of your other valid points (in this last post) were mentioned earlier.

Or maybe I missed it?

They need to score more TD's. (Not need time to do so)

Sorry I wasn't more clear

beerlover
01-13-2013, 11:28 PM
I think part of our defensive problems is that we are seemingly never playing defense with a lead. Our defense is better when we are ahead. Our offense has been really good on 3rd down conversions in the past and now is just awful.

I'm not letting the defense off the hook, the offense brought us back to 17-13 and then the defense gives up a TD on the first drive after the half. Still, the offense doesn't 3 and out as much and we are in better shape defensively.

It doesn't help our offense when the opposing team punter (Mesko) keeps Schaub & Co. pinned back in terrible field position. By time Texans fight & claw to midfield they seem exhausted with the burden. Then Donnie Jones either makes poor contact with the football or doesn't angle/strategically knock the football down deep so in essence Patriots have only a short field to manage another score. I believe Donnie Jones average punt was only 36.4 yards per kick while Mesko averaged 52.8. But its actually worse than that because they don't count bringing the ball out to the 20 when its kicked into the endzone. They each kicked it 5 times so comparable field advantage was a plus 16.4 yards each possession to Tom Brady & the Patriot offense.

thunderkyss
01-13-2013, 11:30 PM
If Danieal Manning could have scored on those two big returns (he ran out of gas on the first one) we'd have won the game 42-41

midway
01-14-2013, 01:01 AM
I remember just a few years ago, most people here thought it was preposterous to ask our offense to have to score 30 points to win a game.

Now we need to score 42 or 43 or our offense is broke.

You guys..... I know you're a lot smarter than that.

Different competition, different standards.

It's a pretty simple concept really.

midway
01-14-2013, 01:03 AM
If Danieal Manning could have scored on those two big returns (he ran out of gas on the first one) we'd have won the game 42-41

What? Did I somehow dream the 3 points we got on the first drive?