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Wolf
01-13-2013, 06:37 AM
Interesting read. I didn't know whether NFL section was the place or NSZ

Thirteen years ago, Ray Lewis was in the back of a limousine speeding down an Atlanta street, leaving the chaos of what would become a notorious murder scene.
Today, Ray Lewis prepares to play his final minutes in the NFL as one of the most celebrated and iconic players in league history.
These are two sets of indisputable facts, facts that don't seem to connect in any meaningful way. To accept one set, you have to virtually ignore the other. It just doesn't make sense, no matter which angle you take. How does a man implicated in a double homicide end up receiving a congratulatory bear hug from the NFL commissioner in front of thousands of fans wearing his No. 52 jersey? From the other direction: How could a man who's done so much for his team and his community still be held accountable for a tragedy for which he was absolved?
From any angle, though, this question looms over the entire life and career of Ray Lewis: How on earth did he get here from there?






http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--how-did-ray-lewis-go-from-murder-suspect-to-nfl-royalty--201947666.html

TexanExile
01-13-2013, 06:52 AM
The USA Today piece (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/01/10/ray-lewis-baltimore-ravens-atlanta-murder-2000/1566198/) was also interesting, and a bit more fact-laden, except for this rather jarring comment from a relative of one dead victim:

Cindy Lollar-Owens, Richard Lollar's aunt, says Lewis' pending retirement prompted her Thursday to visit the funeral home, "because that's where my nephew retired."

Ouch. That one hit home.

rmartin65
01-13-2013, 09:27 AM
Because he is a great player and charismatic. And because it was not proven that Ray-Ray did anything.

It sucks, but them's the breaks.

TexanExile
01-13-2013, 11:17 AM
I don't find him charismatic. I find him to be an awesome player with one of the most narcissistic, look-at-me, can't-pass-up-a-microphone personalities I can think of in modern sports. He just cannot shut up.

At a certain point it stops looking like passion and looks more like somebody trying a little too hard to compensate for something on their conscience. Wonder what that might be, exactly?

Texecutioner
01-13-2013, 11:51 AM
I don't find him charismatic. I find him to be an awesome player with one of the most narcissistic, look-at-me, can't-pass-up-a-microphone personalities I can think of in modern sports. He just cannot shut up.

At a certain point it stops looking like passion and looks more like somebody trying a little too hard to compensate for something on their conscience. Wonder what that might be, exactly?

Narcissistic? We talking about the same guy??

All I see is a guy that the media goes after all of the time because they knows that he's the leader of that organization and the spokes person. Anyone in that organization mad over that? You see a ton of Ravens players getting into trouble and making an embarrassment of themselves? Nope. Ray's leadership over there has been unquestionably positive on that entire organization. The guy is usually preaching about positivity, god, or giving inspirational speeches about his team. You've got to be a complete hater to bash the guy for all of that.

LikeMike
01-13-2013, 01:28 PM
I really like him as a player - but man this whole thing sucks. Nobody but a collected few who were there really knows what happened, but it sure feels like a rich man in the spotlight could just use his name and money to get out of that mess - for which others would have to go to prison for many years and lose their job. Cheering for such a man is hard to stomach if you ask me...

MEGA SWATT
01-13-2013, 01:31 PM
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PapaL
01-13-2013, 01:34 PM
Difference between Mike Vick and Ray Lewis? Lewis had better friends. That's why he didn't go to jail. Friends took the heat, he made the money, and paid them off behind the scenes.

Think what you want but Ray is an NFL icon.

Pantherstang84
01-13-2013, 02:01 PM
Narcissistic? We talking about the same guy??

All I see is a guy that the media goes after all of the time because they knows that he's the leader of that organization and the spokes person. Anyone in that organization mad over that? You see a ton of Ravens players getting into trouble and making an embarrassment of themselves? Nope. Ray's leadership over there has been unquestionably positive on that entire organization. The guy is usually preaching about positivity, god, or giving inspirational speeches about his team. You've got to be a complete hater to bash the guy for all of that.

Ok I'm a hater. Is that similar to a Kubiak hater?

2012Champs
01-13-2013, 02:17 PM
Public opinion is a *****. Those Duke kids will never live down that rape case either

chicagotexan2
01-13-2013, 02:20 PM
I don't find him charismatic. I find him to be an awesome player with one of the most narcissistic, look-at-me, can't-pass-up-a-microphone personalities I can think of in modern sports. He just cannot shut up.

At a certain point it stops looking like passion and looks more like somebody trying a little too hard to compensate for something on their conscience. Wonder what that might be, exactly?

Personally I find his ra ra inspiration to be more BS than anything else. Being a great player doesn't undo what you did or were a part of. He was involved in the murders of two men. Being a hall of famer, morivational speaker and rediculous pre game ballerina doesn't blind me what he did. Innocent men don't settle out of court in my eyes.

StarStruck
01-13-2013, 02:41 PM
Innocent men don't settle out of court in my eyes.
I repectfully disagree. A jury of your peers relying of facts isn't a gimmie.

Showtime100
01-13-2013, 02:43 PM
I don't find him charismatic. I find him to be an awesome player with one of the most narcissistic, look-at-me, can't-pass-up-a-microphone personalities I can think of in modern sports. He just cannot shut up.

At a certain point it stops looking like passion and looks more like somebody trying a little too hard to compensate for something on their conscience. Wonder what that might be, exactly?

I'm in this camp. Agree completely.

2012Champs
01-13-2013, 02:48 PM
Personally I find his ra ra inspiration to be more BS than anything else. Being a great player doesn't undo what you did or were a part of. He was involved in the murders of two men. Being a hall of famer, morivational speaker and rediculous pre game ballerina doesn't blind me what he did. Innocent men don't settle out of court in my eyes.


Innocent people settle all the damn time. It often times come down to cost vs potential risk. If you dont understand this then you clearly don't understand how the world works

MEGA SWATT
01-13-2013, 02:58 PM
I'm in this camp. Agree completely.

me too........


when he walks by a camera or a microphone...I'm like:


:overreact:

Pollardized
01-13-2013, 03:00 PM
"How did Ray Lewis go from murder suspect in 2000 to NFL royalty in 2013?" Because through God's grace and mercy we are redeemed. Ray Lewis is a Christian, and God has great things instore for believers.

MEGA SWATT
01-13-2013, 03:14 PM
"How did Ray Lewis go from murder suspect in 2000 to NFL royalty in 2013?" Because through God's grace and mercy we are redeemed. Ray Lewis is a Christian, and God has great things instore for believers.

Not to start a religious debate, but don't underestimate money and lawyers.

If it weren't for that (if he were a regular Joe), he'd be practicing his faith in Prison.

Pollardized
01-13-2013, 03:34 PM
Not to start a religious debate, but don't underestimate money and lawyers.

If it weren't for that (if he were a regular Joe), he'd be practicing his faith in Prison.

Jeff Skilling, Andrew Fastow, and some others who once called Enron home would disagree with you.

MEGA SWATT
01-13-2013, 03:50 PM
Jeff Skilling, Andrew Fastow, and some others who once called Enron home would disagree with you.


true:boogie::worldpeace::boogie:



msr

rmartin65
01-13-2013, 09:39 PM
"How did Ray Lewis go from murder suspect in 2000 to NFL royalty in 2013?" Because through God's grace and mercy we are redeemed. Ray Lewis is a Christian, and God has great things instore for believers.

So murder is ok... if you are a Christian?

Sounds good.

Hervoyel
01-13-2013, 09:44 PM
What did you do with the suit Ray? Where's the suit and why did you feel the need to ditch it?

Dude's a murderer in my eyes. I can't and won't deny his talent but I'll be so happy next year when he's gone.

powda
01-13-2013, 09:58 PM
So murder is ok... if you are a Christian?

Sounds good.

Only if your catholic.

:fostering:

Pantherstang84
01-13-2013, 09:59 PM
Only if your catholic.

:fostering:

What does that mean?

chicagotexan2
01-13-2013, 11:03 PM
[QUOTE=2012Champs;2105405]Innocent people settle all the damn time. It often times come down to cost vs potential risk. If you dont understand this then you clearly don't understand how the world works[/

I understand perfectly fine I don't believe he's innocent id bet my life on it. Michael Jackson settled too but I'm sure hrs innocent just like ray lewis.

Pollardized
01-13-2013, 11:07 PM
So murder is ok... if you are a Christian?

Sounds good.

Where did I say murder was ok? I said he is redeemed, he is forgiven for his sins. Just like you, me and everyone else is when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and ask for forgiveness.

silvrhand
01-13-2013, 11:26 PM
The only people that will really know the truth will be the people that were in the fight and there. We simply don't know and will never know the truth likely, and they will eventually answer for whatever did happen at some point.

Texcore
01-13-2013, 11:37 PM
Ray Lewis has been a hell of a player. He was never found guilty of any wrong doing.

People need to grow up and stop acting as if they were there.

Pollardized
01-13-2013, 11:47 PM
Ray Lewis has been a hell of a player. He was never found guilty of any wrong doing.

People need to grow up and stop acting as if they were there.

Exactly.

chicagotexan2
01-13-2013, 11:59 PM
Ray Lewis has been a hell of a player. He was never found guilty of any wrong doing.

People need to grow up and stop acting as if they were there.

People need to grow up and stop acting like being an exceptional football player makes everything you do is ok. That includes protecting your boys who may have murdered two men. But those two men didn't were not football greats that dont do stupid pregame dances with face paint like john Randall.

Textan
01-14-2013, 12:05 AM
Nobody held accountable....sounds perfect for today's America.
Hell, if OJ can practically decapitate two, then go play golf in Florida, with his NFL pension untouchable, why can't Lewis live his dream? :thinking:

infantrycak
01-14-2013, 12:13 AM
He was never found guilty of any wrong doing.

Not true. He pled guilty to obstruction of justice in a plea bargain and was sentenced to probation.

rmartin65
01-14-2013, 09:00 AM
"How did Ray Lewis go from murder suspect in 2000 to NFL royalty in 2013?" Because through God's grace and mercy we are redeemed. Ray Lewis is a Christian, and God has great things instore for believers.

Where did I say murder was ok? I said he is redeemed, he is forgiven for his sins. Just like you, me and everyone else is when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and ask for forgiveness.

Sure sounds like committing murder is no biggie so long as you are Christian.

In fact, it sounds like so long as you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and ask for forgiveness, then you can get away with pretty much anything. Must be nice to see religion as a get out of jail free (literally) card.

*Just to be clear, I am not attacking Christianity/religion here. Only the idea posted above.

GP
01-14-2013, 10:26 AM
Roger Goodell was down there on the field, pre game, hugging Ray Lewis for like 45 seconds. Swaying back and forth together.

The NFL "character" system is odd. ODD.

Forget whether he is forgiven or redeemed or saved or whatever. The NFL commissioner is out there embracing him and acting like none of that ugly mess ever happened. It was odd.

I guess it's up for interpretation for Roger Goodell. If I were him, I would have shook his hand, a slap on the back and a "Go out there and give it all you got."

i wouldn't have had as large of a moment with Ray Lewis as Goodell did. Then again, this is the same guy who is dapping and hand jiving draft picks during the first round of last year's draft. It's funny and awkward all at the same time.

LOL.

Foxboro Steve
01-14-2013, 10:31 AM
Roger Goodell was down there on the field, pre game, hugging Ray Lewis for like 45 seconds. Swaying back and forth together.

The NFL "character" system is odd. ODD.

Forget whether he is forgiven or redeemed or saved or whatever. The NFL commissioner is out there embracing him and acting like none of that ugly mess ever happened. It was odd.

I guess it's up for interpretation for Roger Goodell. If I were him, I would have shook his hand, a slap on the back and a "Go out there and give it all you got."

i wouldn't have had as large of a moment with Ray Lewis as Goodell did. Then again, this is the same guy who is dapping and hand jiving draft picks during the first round of last year's draft. It's funny and awkward all at the same time.

LOL.

I agree. I have seen Goodell hugging first rounders like some long lost uncle. I don't get it either.

I don't get the Ray Lewis thing. He's a great LB, and he is a great orator. But let's not apply for sainthood just yet.

2012Champs
01-14-2013, 11:18 AM
I understand perfectly fine I don't believe he's innocent id bet my life on it. Michael Jackson settled too but I'm sure hrs innocent just like ray lewis.



I wouldnt bet my life on something that 1. I dont have first hand knowledge of and 2. That doesnt actually matter in the end


I wonder why Vic didnt get the same treatment from the justice system, you know since it is all about money and status?

TheCD
01-14-2013, 11:59 AM
I wouldnt bet my life on something that 1. I dont have first hand knowledge of and 2. That doesnt actually matter in the end


I wonder why Vic didnt get the same treatment from the justice system, you know since it is all about money and status?

Because when PETA gets involved someone has to pay! You can't go around killing animals as if they were people!

Double Barrel
01-14-2013, 12:23 PM
What did you do with the suit Ray? Where's the suit and why did you feel the need to ditch it?


I like Ray Lewis and I'm glad he turned his life around.

But the above question has always been a splinter in my mind's eye. It's an obvious question that nobody wants to ask anymore.

He knew more about that incident than he admitted. The missing suit speaks volumes to this silence.

I'm not accusing him of murder. However, I'm also pragmatic and understand that his plea of guilty to obstruction of justice in a plea bargain is clearly a more-to-the-story situation.

Since then, though, he's been an inspiration to many and a role model for both players and fans. It's not like he's had a troubled pattern over the years that reveals he's faking it. I think that tragedy focused the man to define what he wanted to be in life and he chose the high road.

Dread-Head
01-14-2013, 12:33 PM
Because we live in a society where athletic prowess is valued above scholarship and even rule of law. Let's consider a few facts:

1. The prosecution in O.J. Simpson's trial had to dismantle his "nice guy" image. While his temper was famous among his friends, his publicists had spent decades crafting his image.

2. Jim Brown allegedly was known for slapping women around but while he was playing was never charged.

3. Mr. Warren Moon allegedly beat his wife Felicia on more than one occasion but wasn't charged until his playing days ended.

4. Michael Irvin was busted in a hotel room with a crack rock the size of a baseball and mysteriously got community service for a crime which would have sent anyone else to prison.

5. Nate Newton was busted REPEATEDLY with GARBAGE BAGS full of marijuana in the trunk of his car while playing and each time got a slap on the wrist. He wasn't sent to jail until AFTER he left the Dallas Cowboys.

6. Ray Lewis had a double murder occur in the master bedroom of his home but a friend who was at the party/get together went to prison for it. Ray was cleared of all charges as his friend fessed up and Ray testified against him.

7. Ben Roethlissburger was accused of sexual assault.

8. Kobe Bryant was accused of sexual assault.

9. Lawrence Taylor was arrested multiple times with cocaine, but wasn't prosecuted until his playing days ended.

10. Daryl Strawberry was arrested multiple times with cocainebut wasn't prosecuted until his playing days ended.

11. Dwight Gooden was arrested multiple times with cocaine but not prosecuted until his playing days ended.


Athletes who are still playing their respective sports, with the notable exceptions of Dog Boy (Michael Vick) and Plaxico Burress are RARELY charged for any crime of which they're accused and in the rare instances when they ARE charged get feather-light slaps on the wrist.
Go to ANY public school and you'll see student athletes holding their heads high as lions leading their pride as they stride hallways between classes secure in the knowledge that they needn't attend classes as long as they perform.

College athletic departments have frequent headaches caused by student athletes with criminal histories. High school athletics never has a "bake sale" or a car wash to raise money as the funding is always there. College athletics receives THEIR funding before any academic departments. Professors will be fired before a single coach (unless it's women's athletics). More and more colleges are doing away with tenure so that they can more easily rid themselves of pesky tenured profs who will fight to keep their departments alive. A high school chemestry teacher with 20 years gets less respect than Rodney Dangerfield while a football coach with a winning season is treated like a god. A doctor could cure cancer and probably still wouldn't be as highly regarded as a quasi-literate professional athlete.

We coddle people who are good at baseball, basketball, football and hockey from the cradle to the grave and we wonder why so many of them have delusions of granduer.

Yes I am aware of the Irony of decrying professional atheletics on a message board for a professional football team.

powda
01-14-2013, 12:47 PM
3. Mr. Warren Moon allegedly beat his wife Felicia on more than one occasion but wasn't charged until his playing days ended.


On tangent...sorry...

Story I heard from an officer on scene was that the wifey made a trip to the galleria and spent almost a 1/4 million dollars on clothing, perfume, and other unnecessary crap. Warren flipped when he found out.

htownfan32
01-14-2013, 12:58 PM
What does that mean?

I think it's supposed to be an Inquisition joke or something

infantrycak
01-14-2013, 01:15 PM
Athletes who are still playing their respective sports, with the notable exceptions of Dog Boy (Michael Vick) and Plaxico Burress are RARELY charged for any crime of which they're accused and in the rare instances when they ARE charged get feather-light slaps on the wrist.

I don't know whether Plaxico got charged light or ordinary. Vick actually got off light. What he ultimately confessed to the feds, i.e. almost an automatic conviction, was up to 25 years in state law violations and they decided not to prosecute at all.

playa465
01-14-2013, 02:53 PM
Sure sounds like committing murder is no biggie so long as you are Christian.

In fact, it sounds like so long as you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and ask for forgiveness, then you can get away with pretty much anything. Must be nice to see religion as a get out of jail free (literally) card.

*Just to be clear, I am not attacking Christianity/religion here. Only the idea posted above.

Not to get this too far into Christianity but what I think he means is yes you will be forgiven for your sins, however you must atone for what you have done. This is done through sacrifice, forgiveness of others, confession of sin and repentance. These things must take place in the eyes of God, not man.

Dread-Head
01-14-2013, 04:08 PM
On tangent...sorry...

Story I heard from an officer on scene was that the wifey made a trip to the galleria and spent almost a 1/4 million dollars on clothing, perfume, and other unnecessary crap. Warren flipped when he found out.

I'd have been pissed too! Not spousal battery pissed...but pissed.

StarStruck
01-14-2013, 09:37 PM
Ray Lewis had a double murder occur in the master bedroom of his home but a friend who was at the party/get together went to prison for it. Ray was cleared of all charges as his friend fessed up and Ray testified against him.

Story I heard from an officer on scene was that the wifey made a trip to the galleria and spent almost a 1/4 million dollars on clothing, perfume, and other unnecessary crap. Warren flipped when he found out.

First time I head of these accounts. Heard a lot, but not these versions.

Texan_Bill
01-14-2013, 11:17 PM
Because he is a great player and charismatic. And because it was not proven that Ray-Ray did anything.

It sucks, but them's the breaks.

BULLSHYTE!!! He was convicted of "Obstruction of Justice"......

Dread-Head
01-15-2013, 11:33 AM
BULLSHYTE!!! He was convicted of "Obstruction of Justice"......

:thinking: So he was convicted...of OJ?

handswarmer
01-16-2013, 09:56 AM
I don't know whether Plaxico got charged light or ordinary. Vick actually got off light. What he ultimately confessed to the feds, i.e. almost an automatic conviction, was up to 25 years in state law violations and they decided not to prosecute at all.

Te part of the Vick case lost on most people is that Vick was part of a huge gambling operation.

This was NOT lost on the NFL.

Burress got what the law called for- there was no 'play' in his sentence.

dc_txtech
01-16-2013, 10:32 AM
Not to get this too far into Christianity but what I think he means is yes you will be forgiven for your sins, however you must atone for what you have done. This is done through sacrifice, forgiveness of others, confession of sin and repentance. These things must take place in the eyes of God, not man.

I plan to repent on my death bed.

Hookem Horns
01-16-2013, 11:01 AM
Where did I say murder was ok? I said he is redeemed, he is forgiven for his sins. Just like you, me and everyone else is when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and ask for forgiveness.

Question, if he were innocent why would he need to be forgiven by God for this crime?

If he is not innocent then how can he be forgiven by God if he is not repentant? To be forgiven the Bible says one must repent and turn around from his sin. Part of repenting is admitting your sin or guilt.

If Ray Lewis truly committed this crime and truly became a Christian, the first thing he would need to do to have a clear concience and standing before God would be to admit this heinous crime and turn himself in to the authorities. As a Christian he must render his "due to Cesar" and pay for his crime.

One can claim to be a Christian, accepted Jesus .. blah blah. However if you don't act in harmony with your belief it means nothing. Merely claming the latter is not some magical get out of jail free card.

Dread-Head
01-16-2013, 12:14 PM
Question, if he were innocent why would he need to be forgiven by God for this crime?

If he is not innocent then how can he be forgiven by God if he is not repentant? To be forgiven the Bible says one must repent and turn around from his sin. Part of repenting is admitting your sin or guilt.

If Ray Lewis truly committed this crime and truly became a Christian, the first thing he would need to do to have a clear concience and standing before God would be to admit this heinous crime and turn himself in to the authorities. As a Christian he must render his "due to Cesar" and pay for his crime.

One can claim to be a Christian, accepted Jesus .. blah blah. However if you don't act in harmony with your belief it means nothing. Merely claming the latter is not some magical get out of jail free card.


Funny thing about the "deathbed repentence" it only works if it's sincere. If you plan in advance to do it and hope to get in on a "technicality" it doesn't work.

steelbtexan
01-17-2013, 01:58 AM
First time I head of these accounts. Heard a lot, but not these versions.

Apparently Warren was spending too much time with his koes and not enough time at home.

Are the Moons still married?

Showtime100
01-17-2013, 06:39 AM
Apparently Warren was spending too much time with his koes and not enough time at home.

Are the Moons still married?

According to Wiki, Moon and the woman he allegedly abused, Felicia Fontenot Hendricks, married in 1981 and were divorced in 2002. He got married to somebody else in 2007.

StarStruck
01-17-2013, 04:05 PM
Apparently Warren was spending too much time with his koes and not enough time at home.

Are the Moons still married?

Yeah, I heard that she was sitting in the gazebo reading her bible mid morning, and he comes home from heaven knows where, acting a fool. No, they have been divorced for some time now.

Dread-Head
01-17-2013, 04:23 PM
Long story short:

a. He ALLEGEDLY killed two people at the beginning of his career rather than the end of it.

b. Both of the people he ALLEGEDLY killed were black.

Odd. The two people were dead IN HIS HOUSE...but he didn't go on trial OR face a grand jury. O.J's ex was killed across town and he was the PRIME suspect. Must be nice to be Ray.

handswarmer
01-17-2013, 06:50 PM
Long story short:

a. He ALLEGEDLY killed two people at the beginning of his career rather than the end of it.

b. Both of the people he ALLEGEDLY killed were black.

Odd. The two people were dead IN HIS HOUSE...but he didn't go on trial OR face a grand jury. O.J's ex was killed across town and he was the PRIME suspect. Must be nice to be Ray.

Ray's house is a bar in a seedy Atlanta neighborhood?

Odd- considering he is from Lakelad Fla and lives in Miami, Fla....

Maybe you should hit up Google to read up n the facts of the case.

steelbtexan
01-17-2013, 08:33 PM
Ray's house is a bar in a seedy Atlanta neighborhood?

Odd- considering he is from Lakelad Fla and lives in Miami, Fla....

Maybe you should hit up Google to read up n the facts of the case.

Dont let the facts get in the way of a good story,

wildroot
01-17-2013, 10:02 PM
Ray Lewis and Rae Carruth got in a jam within months of each other...guess Lewis had a better lawyer. Carruth ought to be out soon.

StarStruck
01-17-2013, 11:09 PM
Ray Lewis and Rae Carruth got in a jam within months of each other...guess Lewis had a better lawyer. Carruth ought to be out soon.

Neither situation should have happened. IMO, and IMO only, I see a big difference in a person setting up his pregnant girlfriend to be murdered after taking her out and pretending to be someone special in her life. Then only within minutes s him he saw him giving hit men the nod for murder which if plan would have worked, both her and the unborn child would hid died immediately.

From my understanding the the Lewis case, they were all at a private club. Something went down, and a fight broke out. I read that the shorter of the two that were killed (5'2") tipped up behind one of the men in Lewis group and broke a champagne bottle on the back of his head, then took off running. From that point things got really ugly and what spilled into the street turned out to be a double homicide. Earlier reports said that Lewis was seen hitting one of the two in the stomach, but one of his friends was one that was seen with the knife. If Lewis hit and his friend used a knife, he would still end up with blood on his clothing. Certainly, if Lewis himself used the knife also he would have blood on his clothing.

If he told his friends to keep their mouths closed, that is no more than another way of stating Miranda rights. Whatever truly occurred, I'm sure there are many regrets. I've read that the two murdered victims that been heavily involved in criminal activities and were trying to turn their lives around, and I only wish they would have been successful.

2012Champs
01-18-2013, 11:04 AM
Ray's house is a bar in a seedy Atlanta neighborhood?

Odd- considering he is from Lakelad Fla and lives in Miami, Fla....

Maybe you should hit up Google to read up n the facts of the case.

Dont let the facts get in the way of a good story,




This cracked me up, nicley played guys

Double Barrel
01-18-2013, 11:29 AM
Ray's house is a bar in a seedy Atlanta neighborhood?

Odd- considering he is from Lakelad Fla and lives in Miami, Fla....

Maybe you should hit up Google to read up n the facts of the case.

I'm trying to remember what story it was that had two people dead in a house.

Obviously not Ray Lewis, but not sure if it was an athlete or some other kind of entertainer.

It rings a bell, but I could not find anything on Google without much details.

Maybe it was someone in the music industry?

NitroGSXR
01-18-2013, 11:34 AM
I'm trying to remember what story it was that had two people dead in a house.

Obviously not Ray Lewis, but not sure if it was an athlete or some other kind of entertainer.

It rings a bell, but I could not find anything on Google without much details.

Maybe it was someone in the music industry?

Not two but maybe Jayson Williams?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Williams

Playoffs
01-30-2013, 06:42 PM
Drew Magary nails it...

The Haterís Guide To Ray Lewis (http://deadspin.com/5980173/the-haters-guide-to-ray-lewis)

It's not exactly daring to hate Ray Lewis. Facebook data show that most people are rooting for the 49ers to win the Super Bowl, and I'm sure "F#@K RAY LEWIS" has a lot to do with that. No one disputes that Lewis should be a Hall of Famer, and I guess we can all agree that he's a good leader. He sure shouts a lot. What is in dispute is whether he's an overrated, self-aggrandizing sack of sh!t who throws God in your face any time you accuse him of being anything less than a saint. So let's take a moment to break down Ray Lewis's loathsomeness piece by awful piece in a very special hater's guide. It's our little trick of the devil.

Ray Lewis is a backstabber, at the very least...http://deadspin.com/5980173/the-haters-guide-to-ray-lewis

Playoffs
01-31-2013, 11:22 AM
Amani Toomer:
"If you want to say you're Mr. Religious and all of that, have a clean record. Don't say all of that stuff if you know there's stuff that might come back," Toomer said. "Those are the things that, when I look at him, I just think hypocrisy."http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/super/2013/01/30/ray-lewis-baltimore-ravens-super-bowl/1878869/

Say Watt
01-31-2013, 01:31 PM
I like Ray Lewis and I'm glad he turned his life around.

But the above question has always been a splinter in my mind's eye. It's an obvious question that nobody wants to ask anymore.

He knew more about that incident than he admitted. The missing suit speaks volumes to this silence.

I'm not accusing him of murder. However, I'm also pragmatic and understand that his plea of guilty to obstruction of justice in a plea bargain is clearly a more-to-the-story situation.

Since then, though, he's been an inspiration to many and a role model for both players and fans. It's not like he's had a troubled pattern over the years that reveals he's faking it. I think that tragedy focused the man to define what he wanted to be in life and he chose the high road.

This.

As others have said, people need to stop acting like they were there. Maybe he was holding the knife and maybe he wasn't. Maybe he was an accomplice, and maybe he wasn't. Maybe self-defense was involved, and maybe it wasn't. The fact is though no one knows accept the two guys that are dead and buried and Ray Lewis and his buddies.

What we do know is that Ray Lewis has been a model citizen since the incident. He has put a ton of his time and effort into helping younger athletes not make the same mistakes that he did. What he was involved with was a tragedy. But if anyone has done everything humanly possible to make up for any wrong doing, it is Ray Lewis. I, for one, respect the football player as well as the man.

Hookem Horns
02-03-2013, 11:40 AM
Did anyone just see that interview with his pastor on HLN? The interviewer asked him if Ray Lewis ever talked to him about what happened that night in Atlanta. He said yes ... so she asked "What did he tell you?".

He said something like "When I think of what Ray has been through I think of the book of Psalms where it speaks of David who was a murderer, adulterer, a man who neglected his job ... yet he went on to seek God and redemption and God redeemed him ... etc etc".

So he was comparing Ray Lewis to King David who WAS guilty of all the above. The difference is David admitted his error and paid dearly the rest of his life. Ray Lewis hasn't admitted anything and IF guilty has skated the whole ordeal.

It also leads me to question .. if Ray Lewis was innocent wouldn't his pastor just come out and say something like "Yes, Ray has spoke to me and has told me that he was completely innocent of all this."?

Playoffs
02-03-2013, 12:01 PM
Did anyone just see that interview with his pastor on HLN? ... He said something like...I think the pastor is supposed to hold that in confidence(!)

http://stuntgranny.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/jesus-facepalm.jpg

mussop
02-03-2013, 10:55 PM
This.

As others have said, people need to stop acting like they were there. Maybe he was holding the knife and maybe he wasn't. Maybe he was an accomplice, and maybe he wasn't. Maybe self-defense was involved, and maybe it wasn't. The fact is though no one knows accept the two guys that are dead and buried and Ray Lewis and his buddies.

What we do know is that Ray Lewis has been a model citizen since the incident. He has put a ton of his time and effort into helping younger athletes not make the same mistakes that he did. What he was involved with was a tragedy. But if anyone has done everything humanly possible to make up for any wrong doing, it is Ray Lewis. I, for one, respect the football player as well as the man.

Wonder if you would feel this way if the two guys that died were family or friends of yours.

handswarmer
02-03-2013, 11:45 PM
If you weren't there then you should shut the ******* up. period.

Showtime100
02-03-2013, 11:53 PM
If you weren't there then you should shut the ******* up. period.

That works two ways, don't you agree?

toronto
02-03-2013, 11:56 PM
Honestly forget the murder ****, it's the praising Jesus like 10 times a minute and mugging for the cameras that have me saying good riddance.

stingray
02-03-2013, 11:56 PM
If you weren't there then you should shut the ******* up. period.

Your team wins a Super Bowl title and you are here posting on the texans message board an hour later. Wow, I think my cat "Dexter" has more of a life than you and he's licking his nuts as we speak.

LonerATO
02-04-2013, 12:00 AM
Honestly forget the murder ****, it's the praising Jesus like 10 times a minute and mugging for the cameras that have me saying good riddance.

And people thought Tebow was bad.

chicagotexan2
02-04-2013, 12:09 AM
If you weren't there then you should shut the ******* up. period.

Thanks but no thanks Johnny Cochran. You don't know either.

chicagotexan2
02-04-2013, 12:11 AM
Your team wins a Super Bowl title and you are here posting on the texans message board an hour later. Wow, I think my cat "Dexter" has more of a life than you and he's licking his nuts as we speak.

And your cat looks his nuts while this guy merely has his head up ray lewis' 'players tunnel'.

chicagotexan2
02-04-2013, 12:12 AM
Honestly forget the murder ****, it's the praising Jesus like 10 times a minute and mugging for the cameras that have me saying good riddance.

He's the worst. Or should I say the best at this b.s. act.

Showtime100
02-04-2013, 12:27 AM
He's the worst. Or should I say the best at this b.s. act.

No doubt. Where was he when God told him humility is a virtue?

chicagotexan2
02-04-2013, 01:21 AM
No doubt. Where was he when God told him humility is a virtue?

And when god talked about that whole 'thou shalt not kill' thing.

handswarmer
02-04-2013, 08:30 AM
That works two ways, don't you agree?

That was the point- only those who were there know.

handswarmer
02-04-2013, 08:32 AM
Your team wins a Super Bowl title and you are here posting on the texans message board an hour later. Wow, I think my cat "Dexter" has more of a life than you and he's licking his nuts as we speak.

And here you are writing about watching your cat licking his nuts and I'm the one without a life?:mariopalm:

toronto
02-04-2013, 09:32 AM
That was the point- only those who were there know.

Always amazed at what a million bucks can do. In this case it made god great and a murder rap disappear.

Enjoy your SB win. Your team deserved it. 52 players on that team have my respect. Not him. Ever.

Dread-Head
02-04-2013, 04:27 PM
I think the pastor is supposed to hold that in confidence(!)

http://stuntgranny.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/jesus-facepalm.jpg

:headhurts: I'm sorry...is this a Iesvs facepalm? CLASSIC! Ray has proven to be @ssholier than thou with every action. Good for him. Hope he can live with himself.

mussop
02-05-2013, 07:55 PM
That was the point- only those who were there know.

There is plenty of info on what happened after murders to know Lewis is a scumbag. I hated seeing that POS win a ring. At least I will never have to watch that stupid pregame dance again.

chicagotexan2
02-06-2013, 12:18 AM
His response to Shannon sharpes question was so over the top insincere and so full of bs. He sounds like a pompous and redicilously dilusional imbecile. Everything comes back around and it wouldn't surprise me to see something else really awful happen in this p.o.s.' life.

2012Champs
02-06-2013, 11:01 AM
His response to Shannon sharpes question was so over the top insincere and so full of bs. He sounds like a pompous and redicilously dilusional imbecile. Everything comes back around and it wouldn't surprise me to see something else really awful happen in this p.o.s.' life.



everything doesnt come back around that notion and "karma" are beyond silly

handswarmer
02-06-2013, 06:08 PM
There is plenty of info on what happened after murders to know Lewis is a scumbag. I hated seeing that POS win a ring. At least I will never have to watch that stupid pregame dance again.

Isend you a .gif of it....LOL

CloakNNNdagger
02-08-2013, 09:02 AM
Ray Lewis statue in plans (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8925875/baltimore-ravens-plan-build-statue-ray-lewis)

They say they don't know where. Wonder if it'll be in front of the stadium......or in front of the courthouse.

cuppacoffee
02-08-2013, 10:21 AM
So murder is ok... if you are a Christian?

Sounds good.

Only if your catholic.

:fostering:



Or a idiot cop.

:coffee:

handswarmer
02-08-2013, 10:52 AM
There is plenty of info on what happened after murders to know Lewis is a scumbag. I hated seeing that POS win a ring. At least I will never have to watch that stupid pregame dance again.

Please show me some evidence that you have uncovered....

Double Barrel
02-08-2013, 12:10 PM
There was an NFL Films presentation last night that I have not seen before. It was called "The Ray Lewis Coaching Tree", and it was six coaches that had been on the Ravens roster as coordinators and went on to be head coaches in the NFL.

The Ray Lewis coaching tree: Part I (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-presents/09000d5d81ac8da9/The-Ray-Lewis-coaching-tree-Part-I)

If you really want to see what Ray Lewis is about, see these men talk about him. It was an excellent documentary, and the insight they provided clearly revealed that Ray is not an act. He's the real deal.

handswarmer
02-08-2013, 12:20 PM
There was an NFL Films presentation last night that I have not seen before. It was called "The Ray Lewis Coaching Tree", and it was six coaches that had been on the Ravens roster as coordinators and went on to be head coaches in the NFL.

The Ray Lewis coaching tree: Part I (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-presents/09000d5d81ac8da9/The-Ray-Lewis-coaching-tree-Part-I)

If you really want to see what Ray Lewis is about, see these men talk about him. It was an excellent documentary, and the insight they provided clearly revealed that Ray is not an act. He's the real deal.

People won't care- they only see the over-exposure of Ray due to the fact that he was playing in the Super Bowl and its his last ride.

BTW- I watched that for 5th or sixth time last night and it never ceases to amaze me. I am friends wth a former player on the 2004 Ravens team; guy won a SB in 03 with Tampa Bay= he says that Ray is a the real deal; make you want to run thru a wall when he gets done talking. This guy played at Wisconsin, Dallas Cowboys, Bucs and Ravens from 0 to 04.

But in the end, the story is moot because Ray is retired now. And people have their opinions that will never be changed.

Double Barrel
02-08-2013, 01:05 PM
People won't care- they only see the over-exposure of Ray due to the fact that he was playing in the Super Bowl and its his last ride.

BTW- I watched that for 5th or sixth time last night and it never ceases to amaze me. I am friends wth a former player on the 2004 Ravens team; guy won a SB in 03 with Tampa Bay= he says that Ray is a the real deal; make you want to run thru a wall when he gets done talking. This guy played at Wisconsin, Dallas Cowboys, Bucs and Ravens from 0 to 04.

But in the end, the story is moot because Ray is retired now. And people have their opinions that will never be changed.

I was really impressed by all of them, but it was Mike Singletary's perspective that really got me. As you know, he wasn't sure why he was needed in Baltimore. He thought he wouldn't have much to teach a Super Bowl MVP, defensive player of the year, pro bowler, etc. But when he got there, Ray was already waiting for him and nervous to meet him. Ray told Singletary to teach him everything he knew. Little things mattered. Ray never seemed like his ego got in the way and stayed a student and teacher of the game every day.

I got a little burned out on the hype, but that's probably just me watching too much NFLN and ESPN before the Super Bowl.

However, I also try to be objective. Ray was never a troublemaker, even before the murder, and since then he's been nothing but an upstanding citizen and role model.

And as a player, he is one of, if not the, best LB to play the game. My hat is off to him. It will be weird to see the NFL next year without Ray playing a game. Sort of like when Brett Favre retired. These dudes were almost monuments in the league.

handswarmer
02-08-2013, 01:14 PM
I was really impressed by all of them, but it was Mike Singletary's perspective that really got me. As you know, he wasn't sure why he was needed in Baltimore. He thought he wouldn't have much to teach a Super Bowl MVP, defensive player of the year, pro bowler, etc. But when he got there, Ray was already waiting for him and nervous to meet him. Ray told Singletary to teach him everything he knew. Little things mattered. Ray never seemed like his ego got in the way and stayed a student and teacher of the game every day.

I got a little burned out on the hype, but that's probably just me watching too much NFLN and ESPN before the Super Bowl.

However, I also try to be objective. Ray was never a troublemaker, even before the murder, and since then he's been nothing but an upstanding citizen and role model.

And as a player, he is one of, if not the, best LB to play the game. My hat is off to him. It will be weird to see the NFL next year without Ray playing a game. Sort of like when Brett Favre retired. These dudes were almost monuments in the league.

:bravo:

Dread-Head
02-08-2013, 02:08 PM
Please show me some evidence that you have uncovered....

:popcorn: Even if they did...you wouldn't accept it. You're too purple to believe that St. Raymond Lewis could have possibly done anything wrong.
I wasn't there, and from what I saw it looked like his entourage were in the wrong, BUT Ray saying he "ran away" when the fight broke out doesn't even SOUND right? He didn't say he was nowhere near the incident. He didn't say he "walked" away. He said he "ran away".
Does Ray come across as a guy who's going to run from a fight? Sorry, that seems suspect to me. Ray doesn't strike me as a coward and he's effectively asking us to believe that he and his posse had someone outnumbered and when two of the people starting swinging at him and his FIVE homies...he ran like a scared little girl. That doesn't even SOUND right.
The DA didn't prove their case even though he was covered in blood in the back of a limo. They got him for "obstruction of justice". Uh...okay.

I don't know all the facts of the case, but it kind of looks like the DA decided to do a "Nate Newton. In other words the guy is a popular sports figure for the local team so let's not knock ourselves out trying to build a case against him and let' stack the jury with people who bleed black and purple.

The prosecutors who went after Ray probably got his autograph after they reached their plea deal for "obstruction of justice" when they would have gone for:

Obstruction of Justice

Perjury

&

Accessory to MURDER had the defendant been Ray Lewis the construction worker instead of Ray Lewis the Football player.

HOU-TEX
02-08-2013, 02:12 PM
I was really impressed by all of them, but it was Mike Singletary's perspective that really got me. As you know, he wasn't sure why he was needed in Baltimore. He thought he wouldn't have much to teach a Super Bowl MVP, defensive player of the year, pro bowler, etc. But when he got there, Ray was already waiting for him and nervous to meet him. Ray told Singletary to teach him everything he knew. Little things mattered. Ray never seemed like his ego got in the way and stayed a student and teacher of the game every day.

I got a little burned out on the hype, but that's probably just me watching too much NFLN and ESPN before the Super Bowl.

However, I also try to be objective. Ray was never a troublemaker, even before the murder, and since then he's been nothing but an upstanding citizen and role model.

And as a player, he is one of, if not the, best LB to play the game. My hat is off to him. It will be weird to see the NFL next year without Ray playing a game. Sort of like when Brett Favre retired. These dudes were almost monuments in the league.

Agreed on all points, DB. Great post

2012Champs
02-08-2013, 02:21 PM
:popcorn: Even if they did...you wouldn't accept it. You're too purple to believe that St. Raymond Lewis could have possibly done anything wrong.
I wasn't there, and from what I saw it looked like his entourage were in the wrong, BUT Ray saying he "ran away" when the fight broke out doesn't even SOUND right? He didn't say he was nowhere near the incident. He didn't say he "walked" away. He said he "ran away".
Does Ray come across as a guy who's going to run from a fight? Sorry, that seems suspect to me. Ray doesn't strike me as a coward and he's effectively asking us to believe that he and his posse had someone outnumbered and when two of the people starting swinging at him and his FIVE homies...he ran like a scared little girl. That doesn't even SOUND right.
The DA didn't prove their case even though he was covered in blood in the back of a limo. They got him for "obstruction of justice". Uh...okay.

I don't know all the facts of the case, but it kind of looks like the DA decided to do a "Nate Newton. In other words the guy is a popular sports figure for the local team so let's not knock ourselves out trying to build a case against him and let' stack the jury with people who bleed black and purple.

The prosecutors who went after Ray probably got his autograph after they reached their plea deal for "obstruction of justice" when they would have gone for:

Obstruction of Justice

Perjury

&

Accessory to MURDER had the defendant been Ray Lewis the construction worker instead of Ray Lewis the Football player.




So a lot of speculation ? Thats all you have. I dont bleed purple but the man wasnt convicted of murder

Joseph Sweeting and Reginald Oakley had hoped the jury would find they acted in self defense. It took only 5 hours for the unanamous veridct acquitting them of all charges. Oakely hugged his lawyer. Sweeting put his head down on the defense table

http://www.artclu.com/crew/bfoley/lawscope/index.cfm?L1=news&story=10&pg=1



so the guys who Ray ratted out were found what? Oh yeah I guess they got the NFL superstar treatment too right? And given the facts of the case do you think he would have been convicted with the accessory to murder charge as a contruction worker? Probably not Mr. Assumptionosaurus

Dread-Head
02-08-2013, 02:56 PM
So a lot of speculation ? Thats all you have. I dont bleed purple but the man wasnt convicted of murder

Joseph Sweeting and Reginald Oakley had hoped the jury would find they acted in self defense. It took only 5 hours for the unanamous veridct acquitting them of all charges. Oakely hugged his lawyer. Sweeting put his head down on the defense table

http://www.artclu.com/crew/bfoley/lawscope/index.cfm?L1=news&story=10&pg=1



so the guys who Ray ratted out were found what? Oh yeah I guess they got the NFL superstar treatment too right? And given the facts of the case do you think he would have been convicted with the accessory to murder charge as a contruction worker? Probably not Mr. Assumptionosaurus

PLEASE re-read my muff-huggin' post and find precisely where I said "RAY DID IT" ? Let me save you some time, I DIDN'T say it! I said things like:

"I wasn't there."

I went on to say:

"I don't know all the facts of the case."

Find where I said Ray was convicted of anything other than the "obstruction of justice" for which I think he had to do what 12 minutes of community service. In the real world people who aren't rich and famous go to PRISON for that. You posted my entire post without truncating it; hence, you should have NO PROBLEM finding where in THIS post I called Ray Lewis a murderer. :thinking: WAIT you can't because I didn't say that ISHT! ALL I said was the circumstances surrounding two people being SLAUGHTERED LIKE PIGS by members of Ray Lewis' entourage looked SUSPECT to me. That's ALL I said. If you insist on quoting me do so, but don't put words in my mouth and don't presume to be clairvoyant. You can't read my mind so don't tell me what I think.


EDIT:

Sorry for being a tool. I got a little OBNOXIOUS there. Sorry man.

Double Barrel
02-08-2013, 03:12 PM
Does Ray come across as a guy who's going to run from a fight? Sorry, that seems suspect to me. Ray doesn't strike me as a coward and he's effectively asking us to believe that he and his posse had someone outnumbered and when two of the people starting swinging at him and his FIVE homies...he ran like a scared little girl. That doesn't even SOUND right.

Watch the NFL Films "The Ray Lewis coaching tree".

All SIX of these NFL head coaches said it would have been out of character for him to get into a street fight. They said the passion Ray has on the field is not the same guy that they know in every day life. He's a non-confrontational kind of guy. He has always been a dude that seeks peaceful solutions before violent ones. This isn't even speculation. It's the perspective of professional coaches who have known the guy for decades. They know this man's nature.

Dread-Head
02-08-2013, 03:16 PM
Watch the NFL Films "The Ray Lewis coaching tree".

All SIX of these NFL head coaches said it would have been out of character for him to get into a street fight. They said the passion Ray has on the field is not the same guy that they know in every day life. He's a non-confrontational kind of guy. He has always been a dude that seeks peaceful solutions before violent ones. This isn't even speculation. It's the perspective of professional coaches who have known the guy for decades. They know this man's nature.

Fair enough. Question. Didn't this incident occur in his rookie season? I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but were I accused of something HORRIFFIC and NOT convicted, I would be the most mild mannered cat on the planet because I'd suspect people would be wondering "did he do it" everytime they saw me.
I'm thinking if you meet O.J. Simpson he'd be a perfect gent as he really has little choice.

Truthfully, if he didn't do it I'm sure that "incident" made him keep entirely different company.

2012Champs
02-08-2013, 03:21 PM
PLEASE re-read my muff-huggin' post and find precisely where I said "RAY DID IT" ? Let me save you some time, I DIDN'T say it! I said things like:



I went on to say:



Find where I said Ray was convicted of anything other than the "obstruction of justice" for which I think he had to do what 12 minutes of community service. In the real world people who aren't rich and famous go to PRISON for that. You posted my entire post without truncating it; hence, you should have NO PROBLEM finding where in THIS post I called Ray Lewis a murderer. :thinking: WAIT you can't because I didn't say that ISHT! ALL I said was the circumstances surrounding two people being SLAUGHTERED LIKE PIGS by members of Ray Lewis' entourage looked SUSPECT to me. That's ALL I said. If you insist on quoting me do so, but don't put words in my mouth and don't presume to be clairvoyant. You can't read my mind so don't tell me what I think.


Im not sure why you choose to post in such a childish manner but it certainly doesnt help you make a point. You seem to cry and ***** mostly in your posting so sometimes it is hard to get through the entire thing. I have seen you repeat what you think of Ray in a few threads and I find it rather comical what you choose to base your opinions off of and what you choose to ignore given the facts about the case.


edit: I didnt put any words in your mouth but I guess thats just more of your crying when you try to say it occured

Double Barrel
02-08-2013, 03:24 PM
Fair enough. Question. Didn't this incident occur in his rookie season? I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but were I accused of something HORRIFFIC and NOT convicted, I would be the most mild mannered cat on the planet because I'd suspect people would be wondering "did he do it" everytime they saw me.
I'm thinking if you meet O.J. Simpson he'd be a perfect gent as he really has little choice.

He was drafted in 1996. The murders happened on January 31, 2000.

I don't think a tiger changes his stripes. I think eventually the nature of a person comes out. Ray was never in trouble with the law before or after that incident, iirc.

As I've said before, Ray knows more about that night than he's ever admitted. But that, in and of itself, does not make him a murderer. He was hanging with the wrong crowd and got sucked into it. But since then? He's been nothing but one of the best role models in the NFL. You can't fake that for another 13 years. Something would eventually betray that act. But with Ray, it's been consistent.

Seriously, take the time to watch "The Ray Lewis coaching tree". It's not rah rah stuff, but a really serious insight into the thoughts of NFL coaches about the man. You can fool some people some of the time,but you can't fool everyone all of the time. I honestly doubt any of these coaches would be saying these things about Ray if they did not sincerely believe it.

Dread-Head
02-08-2013, 03:25 PM
Im not sure why you choose to post in such a childish manner but it certainly doesnt help you make a point. You seem to cry and ***** mostly in your posting so sometimes it is hard to get through the entire thing. I have seen you repeat what you think of Ray in a few threads and I find it rather comical what you choose to base your opinions off of and what you choose to ignore given the facts about the case.


edit: I didnt put any words in your mouth but I guess thats just more of your crying when you try to say it occured

EDIT:

Sorry for being a tool. I got a little OBNOXIOUS there. Sorry man.


Which is MORE childish? Going on an admittedly childish rant or ignoring someone's sincere apology then engaging in an estrogen fueled one upsmanship? Apology made. Accept it or don't. I no longer give a ISHT.

2012Champs
02-08-2013, 03:37 PM
EDIT:

Sorry for being a tool. I got a little OBNOXIOUS there. Sorry man.


Which is MORE childish? Going on an admittedly childish rant or ignoring someone's sincere apology then engaging in an estrogen fueled one upsmanship? Apology made. Accept it or don't. I no longer give a ISHT.




I accept.

handswarmer
02-08-2013, 04:53 PM
:popcorn: Even if they did...you wouldn't accept it. You're too purple to believe that St. Raymond Lewis could have possibly done anything wrong.

Not true, I am an objective person when it comes to this stuff. I am not a huge fan of Ray's; did I tear up when he did his dance vs the Colts in the playoffs? Yes, but because of an appreciation for life spent dedicated to his craft ad offield life spent helping others.



I wasn't there,

I don't know all the facts of the case, .

You should have stopped right there....

CloakNNNdagger
02-08-2013, 10:29 PM
Some thoughts by his once co-defendant.

Sweetring Sours On Lewis (http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2001-01-21/sports/0101210111_1_sweeting-and-lewis-joseph-sweeting-super-bowl)
DAVE HYDE Commentary
January 21, 2001|DAVE HYDE Commentary

Dread-Head
02-08-2013, 10:37 PM
I accept.

I was being a tool and truthfully over the past couple of weeks I've been saying some pretty mean spirited crap in here. Not just to YOU but to other people for whom I have a great deal of respect.
I'm NORMALLY that sarcastic dude, but lately I've been going a bit over board and I've just been mean.
That's not me and I don't want it to be. I'm going to take a brief hiatus from this board until I know I can be a bit more level headed. It might be a week, maybe more. Talk to you later people.


Jesse/Dread-Head

chicagotexan2
02-08-2013, 11:10 PM
everything doesnt come back around that notion and "karma" are beyond silly

Shut up already. get your head out of rays taint. If and when this guy gets himself into hot water again maybe the outcome will be different. Until then I don't buy the wrong place at the wrong time bs.

2012Champs
02-08-2013, 11:15 PM
Shut up already. get your head out of rays taint. If and when this guy gets himself into hot water again maybe the outcome will be different. Until then I don't buy the wrong place at the wrong time bs.


My post has nothing to do with my head or ray's taint. The idea that something is going to come back around or you will have bad karma is just plain silly

chicagotexan2
02-08-2013, 11:19 PM
My post has nothing to do with my head or ray's taint. The idea that something is going to come back around or you will have bad karma is just plain silly

Ok with me.

StarStruck
02-09-2013, 12:29 AM
It's something about Ray that I take at face value. I know I'm in the minority here and I don't mind, but I like Ray and enjoy seeing him on field, as well as what's shared off field.

handswarmer
02-09-2013, 10:42 AM
Shut up already. get your head out of rays taint. If and when this guy gets himself into hot water again maybe the outcome will be different. Until then I don't buy the wrong place at the wrong time bs.

Its been 13 years since he got in trouble-nothing else on hisrecord EVER-- how much longer before you will accept that he learned not to put himself in a bad situation???

As a Ravens fan, I am little overdosed with the Ray Ray the Preacher man crap, and I for one am glad he retired. He couldn't cover anyone over the middle anymore and he couldn't tackle sideline to sideline; he was only good in between the tackles and alot of tose tackles were "jump on the pile" types. He didn't come off the field in 3rd down/Passing down stuations because of pride; so the defense was forced to play a zone in the middle because he can't even blitz anymore. S you have a 37 yr old Icon who can't cover, can't blitz, playin with one arm who won't come offf the field. Glad he retired on the top. Good for him. Now lets get someone to replace him and just goes about his job.

NitroGSXR
02-09-2013, 10:56 AM
I love the Ray Lewis story. I don't know why you guys are tired of it. It's just a story that I respect immensely. This guy's a REAL football player. I'm glad he got his story book ending. The NFL's not going to be the same without him.