PDA

View Full Version : Peyton Manning will forever go down as the most unclutch QB in playoff history


AndyWin
01-12-2013, 09:15 PM
I know his defense has let him down (both the colts in the past and broncos today) and he has one ring, but Peyton Manning will go down as the most unclutch & overrated quarterback in playoff history.

"I really believe that you earn your paycheck during the season. And the postseason is all about creating your legacy."
-Aaron Rodgers

Playoffs
01-12-2013, 09:17 PM
Chillax, man. Not everything is the end of the world.

eriadoc
01-12-2013, 09:19 PM
Univ of Tenn fans never thought he was clutch to begin with.

AndyWin
01-12-2013, 09:23 PM
Univ of Tenn fans never thought he was clutch to begin with.

Yup, give me Peyton in the regular season and his brother in the playoffs

thunderkyss
01-12-2013, 10:48 PM
I know his defense has let him down (both the colts in the past and broncos today) and he has one ring, but Peyton Manning will go down as the most unclutch & overrated quarterback in playoff history.


Anti-Clutch I'm sure, but over-rated?

First ballot HOFer...... they'll probably induct him the year before his first ballot.

GlassHalfFull
01-12-2013, 10:50 PM
Jim Kelly disagrees with this.

toronto
01-12-2013, 10:59 PM
Jim Kelly disagrees with this.

The NFL version of Warren Moon also disagrees.

Mr teX
01-12-2013, 11:06 PM
I think more than anything it shows that as good as he is, he needs a great coach to protect him from himself...he has too much leeway in terms of dictating what the offense does. You need someone on the outside to help you break tendencies and to do things outside of the box.

..they tried to do this early in the season by running other offensive packages that weren't part of the "manning" offense at different stretches ...and the offense with manning didn't look so hot. So they just went all manning and got rolling, but when u get to the playoffs and face teams with solid defenses, they know how to slow that down and frustrate him...

417Texan
01-12-2013, 11:10 PM
I think more than anything it shows that as good as he is, he needs a great coach to protect him from himself...he has too much leeway in terms of dictating what the offense does. You need someone on the outside to help you break tendencies and to do things outside of the box.

..they tried to do this early in the season by running other offensive packages that weren't part of the "manning" offense at different stretches ...and the offense with manning didn't look so hot. So they just went all manning and got rolling, but when u get to the playoffs and face teams with solid defenses, they know how to slow that down and frustrate him...


Manning ego gets in the way of him at times. He never listens to his coaches all the time and gets a major free pass from the media.

ObsiWan
01-12-2013, 11:10 PM
Yes... yes....

I see a Manning on our screen, sir

:faildetector:

MEGA SWATT
01-12-2013, 11:18 PM
I think more than anything it shows that as good as he is, he needs a great coach to protect him from himself...he has too much leeway in terms of dictating what the offense does. You need someone on the outside to help you break tendencies and to do things outside of the box.

..they tried to do this early in the season by running other offensive packages that weren't part of the "manning" offense at different stretches ...and the offense with manning didn't look so hot. So they just went all manning and got rolling, but when u get to the playoffs and face teams with solid defenses, they know how to slow that down and frustrate him...

Nice explanation. Agree
Five head FTL

Mr teX
01-12-2013, 11:20 PM
Manning ego gets in the way of him at times. He never listens to his coaches all the time and gets a major free pass from the media.

Its not that he doesnt listen, coaches trust him too much is all..& he's too aggressive offensively b/c he's always looking for the quick score. They fall into the trap of trusting him too much b/c during the regular season, he more often than not comes thru for them with this aggressive style and the points fly...but in the playoffs, those quick scores and that agressiveness bites them and him in the ass b/c good defenses aren't going to Allow that.

As a coach, you've got to resist the urge to put your complete offense in his hands...

qqert
01-12-2013, 11:25 PM
cant really hate on the guy. role model on and off tbe field.
has a fighters heart considering his offseason surgeries ..
and he has 15 more touchdowns than matt schaub on his first year from it.

infantrycak
01-12-2013, 11:27 PM
Its not that he doesnt listen, coaches trust him too much is all..& he's too aggressive offensively b/c he's always looking for the quick score. They fall into the trap of trusting him too much b/c during the regular season, he more often than not comes thru for them with this aggressive style and the points fly...but in the playoffs, those quick scores and that agressiveness bites them and him in the ass b/c good defenses aren't going to Allow that.

As a coach, you've got to resist the urge to put your complete offense in his hands...

Did you see the Tony Dungy statements on Peyton becoming a coach the other day? Everybody kind of expects him to go into coaching but Dungy said he won't be successful. Peyton expects everyone to be as smart as him, expects people to adopt new ideas and perform them in an instant and doesn't perceive other peoples' capabilities well.

TEXANRED
01-12-2013, 11:31 PM
The NFL version of Warren Moon also disagrees.

The guy who went to 3 Grey Cups and won 2 of them?

TexanSam
01-12-2013, 11:32 PM
No he won't. He's won a Super Bowl. He's screwed up in the playoffs more than once, but having that ring means he isn't in the conversation of anti-clutch QBs.

Mr teX
01-12-2013, 11:36 PM
Did you see the Tony Dungy statements on Peyton becoming a coach the other day? Everybody kind of expects him to go into coaching but Dungy said he won't be successful. Peyton expects everyone to be as smart as him, expects people to adopt new ideas and perform them in an instant and doesn't perceive other peoples' capabilities well.

Yeah, thats more of the competitive nature of the guy though and arguably his strongest attribute as a leader and a qb...forcing everybody to raise their game.....MJ was the same way...i have a hard time faulting him for being that way. I fault the coaches more for letting him be that way and taking over their offense. I mean for christs sakes he took jim caldwell to a SB..

stingray
01-12-2013, 11:40 PM
No he won't. He's won a Super Bowl. He's screwed up in the playoffs more than once, but having that ring means he isn't in the conversation of anti-clutch QBs.

I disagree...the atlanta braves of the nineties won a title...but they are remembered as anti clutch and underachievers by a lot of experts.

infantrycak
01-12-2013, 11:44 PM
Yeah, thats more of the competitive nature of the guy though and arguably his strongest attribute as a leader and a qb...forcing everybody to raise their game.....MJ was the same way...i have a hard time faulting him for being that way. I fault the coaches more for letting him be that way and taking over their offense. I mean for christs sakes he took jim caldwell to a SB..

I don't think Dungey's point was that Peyton is more competitive than coaches or other players, it was he is oblivious to other peoples' ability to absorb information and he gets frustrated easily. He gave the example of Manning walking in on a Friday or Saturday with 20 new plays he wanted to put in for the game on Sunday and Dungy would have to tell him we can look at these for later but we can't get the team up to speed on all this in a day. But that was on the potential to be a coach. I agree coaches have let him get out of control.

Hookem Horns
01-12-2013, 11:46 PM
The guy who went to 3 Grey Cups and won 2 of them?

That is why he said "NFL" version. Moon was the biggest playoff choke artist that I ever had the displeasure of rooting for.

toronto
01-12-2013, 11:48 PM
The guy who went to 3 Grey Cups and won 2 of them?

Hence "NFL" version

417Texan
01-12-2013, 11:49 PM
:goodpost: On the Moon tip.

Mr teX
01-12-2013, 11:52 PM
I don't think Dungey's point was that Peyton is more competitive than coaches or other players, it was he is oblivious to other peoples' ability to absorb information and he gets frustrated easily.He gave the example of Manning walking in on a Friday or Saturday with 20 new plays he wanted to put in for the game on Sunday and Dungy would have to tell him we can look at these for later but we can't get the team up to speed on all this in a day. But that was on the potential to be a coach. I agree coaches have let him get out of control.

Yeah, his greatest strength is also his greatest weakness unfortunately... The bolded is the main thing that belichick & the pats exposed him on early on in his battles with them in the playoffs.. They covered up everything medium and deep in essence to make him methodically move the ball down field...they knew he'd eventually get frustrated and try to force something somewhere he probably shouldn't.

TEXANRED
01-12-2013, 11:54 PM
That is why he said "NFL" version. Moon was the biggest playoff choke artist that I ever had the displeasure of rooting for.

Moon didn't give up 39 points to the Bills.

Or 28 points to the Chiefs.

toronto
01-13-2013, 12:04 AM
Moon didn't give up 39 points to the Bills.

Or 28 points to the Chiefs.

His playoff record was 3-7

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoonWa00_playoffs.htm

He threw 14 picks versus 17 tds. The only game where he was outstanding was against the Broncos when Jim Eddy somehow forgot Elway was mobile.

TEXANRED
01-13-2013, 12:06 AM
His playoff record was 3-7

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoonWa00_playoffs.htm

He threw 14 picks versus 17 tds. The only game where he was outstanding was against the Broncos when Jim Eddy somehow forgot Elway was mobile.

35-3 against the Bills. 42-45 was the end score if I remember. We needed a TE. Don't get me started about the run and shoot. Moon's career was wasted in Houston with Glanville and Pardee.

toronto
01-13-2013, 12:10 AM
35-3 against the Bills. 42-45 was the end score if I remember. We needed a TE. Don't get me started about the run and shoot. Moon's career was wasted in Houston with Glanville and Pardee.

Just to remind myself I watched this. Not Moon but man this is agonizing. **** Jim Eddy.

Btw Moon in the Bils game, as much as it shouldn't have mattered at that point threw a terrible pick in the 2nd half. Just a terrible decision.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4zFYwferLVQ

TEXANRED
01-13-2013, 12:21 AM
Just to remind myself I watched this. Not Moon but man this is agonizing. **** Jim Eddy.

Btw Moon in the Bils game, as much as it shouldn't have mattered at that point threw a terrible pick in the 2nd half. Just a terrible decision.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4zFYwferLVQ
Give Moon a running game and a couple of TE's and he would have won a few Superbowl's and the Oilers would still be in Houston. The 90's Oilers was the biggest waist of talent in NFL history.

Txn_in_FL
01-13-2013, 08:14 AM
Give Moon a running game and a couple of TE's and he would have won a few Superbowl's and the Oilers would still be in Houston. The 90's Oilers was the biggest waist of talent in NFL history.

This. Moon had his issues but the guy could make some throws. All the big losses I remember all come from break downs on the defense.

MightyTExan
01-13-2013, 08:37 AM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2006547/rayterminated.gif

CloakNNNdagger
01-13-2013, 08:40 AM
I don't think Dungey's point was that Peyton is more competitive than coaches or other players, it was he is oblivious to other peoples' ability to absorb information and he gets frustrated easily. He gave the example of Manning walking in on a Friday or Saturday with 20 new plays he wanted to put in for the game on Sunday and Dungy would have to tell him we can look at these for later but we can't get the team up to speed on all this in a day. But that was on the potential to be a coach. I agree coaches have let him get out of control.


In other words, Peyton expects others to adapt to his strong points rather than him also adapting to and using the "other piece's" strengths.

Hookem Horns
01-13-2013, 09:18 AM
35-3 against the Bills. 42-45 was the end score if I remember. We needed a TE. Don't get me started about the run and shoot. Moon's career was wasted in Houston with Glanville and Pardee.

Hence choke artist (not performing in the clutch or when needed most). Actually the score was 41-38. When things started falling apart Moon folded in that game. If he could have sustained one drive in that second half the Bills would not have had time to complete the comeback.

However as the defense started giving up points and the pressure started building Moon got erratic. Case in point .. when the Oilers got the ball first in OT were you confident that Moon was going to take charge and lead the Oilers to the winning FG? I doubt you were and neither was I .. and for good reason as he threw a pick that finished off his team.

Moon faired no better outside of the run and shoot. A good friend of mine was a Vikings fan and he continued to throw picks in big games at the worst times for them also. I remember watching a Vikings game (might have been a playoff game) with him and saying something like "this is the situation where he throws a pick" and sure enough he threw one that very play to the dismay of my buddy.