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GlenRice
01-05-2013, 11:56 PM
Houston defeated Cincinnati, 19-13, an interesting set of numbers considering the Texans dominated every facet of this game except for punting. And in fairness, the guy from Cincy had way more practice.

First downs: Texans 24, Bengals 12

Total yards: Texans 420, Bengals 198

Time of possession: Texans 38:49, Bengals 21:11

This list goes on and on and on and includes Kubiak schooling Lewis in what amounted to a fight to be the tallest short person. Lewis okayed and watched as his offensive coordinator Jay Gruden inexplicably underused running back BenJarvus Green-Ellis and overused a screen play that worked exactly never. There was a misused timeout, a forgotten A.J. Green, a reliance on Jermaine Gresham and inability to adjust. And yet with under four minutes remaining, the Bengals were driving down the field for what possibly could have been the game-winning score.

Why this happened was inadvertently explained by Texans linebacker Bradie James when talking their defensive strategy.

"The biggest thing, well, a lot of us have been trying to talk about it — not giving up seven points. You see, when you give up seven points you don't have a chance," James said. "But when you keep a team to just kicking field goals, you keep 'em close and then you can pin your ears back."

James needs to deliver this speech to Kubiak.

To him or Texans owner Bob McNair or somebody, because the reverse is also true. Kubiak employs quite possibly the most conservative game plan in the NFL. If this was politics, he'd be labeled a wingnut and decried by Glenn Beck as having lost touch with mainstream values. The guy always looks to be in a state of panic about when he can get his kicker on the field. Heck, there was a moment Saturday when the Texans took a delay on fourth-and-short with their punter on the field. The idea of doing that with his offense probably never crossed his mind even though Arian Foster was lethal Saturday.

It is why Texans fans boo kicker Shayne Graham every time he takes the field. It is not personal. They are sick of seeing him every single time there is a close call in the red zone.

"I love our crowd but they are getting spoiled," Texans running back Arian Foster said. "They're booing, and we're OK. We're OK, man."

What is frustrating is the Texans could be a good team, at very least a competitive playoff team. As much as this pains me to say, defensive coordinator Wade Phillips has his side ballin'. He may be a cupcake as a head coach, but he's pretty good at coordinating. And J.J. Watt is just a freak of football nature.

Kubiak's not beating the New England Patriots Sunday in Foxboro if he's not willing to gamble, open his game plan up just a bit and play to win. We already saw that game, the Texans going up to Foxboro in their matching letter jackets and talk of Bulls on Parade and clear hearts, full eyes can't lose . . . and getting pummeled.

New England absolutely embarrassed Houston on Dec. 10, a 42-14 whipping that started a slide to end this season. Almost every Texans player downplayed that first meeting with the usual clichés about this being a different season, about short memories, about how this game will be closer.

"I don't think it was embarrassing. It just was a game and, on any given Sunday, if you don't show up, it can happen," James said. "New England did teach us a lot. They taught us you need to show up and bring the intensity to be a champion."

This perspective comes from being in his 10th season, of knowing NFL teams do not get infinite kicks at the can, of knowing NFL teams oftentimes have to do a little impossible if they want to win a Super Bowl.

"I'm not worried," McNair said when asked about playing New England again, which felt like the exact wrong thing to say.

He needs to worry because Tom Brady is not going to let the Texans off the mat if they keep constantly settling for field goals like the Bengals and QB Andy Dalton did. McNair needs to worry because Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has a firm grasp of how to best use his weapons, despite his critics. McNair needs to worry because Belichick is not going to Marvin Lewis this thing.

Belichick coaches with a big set of lower guts. And he rarely beats himself. And if Kubiak coaches like he did Saturday, the Texans do not stand a chance. *

And in a couple of years or next, the pink slip may be his and there will be little outrage.

GlenRice
01-06-2013, 12:00 AM
smh..... that your players and your owner attitude toward the ass kicking they've received from the patroits is "whatever, just another game". At this point I have a feeling a lot of players on this team don't even care.

HJam72
01-06-2013, 11:44 AM
I don't totally disagree, but if Kubiak is going to take chances, Schaub better bring it. AJ streaking down the sideline is useless if Schaub underthrows to his beaten corner. The same goes for OD straight up the middle deep, etc. If you're talking championships and risk-taking, Kubiak's first big, long-term mistake was bringing in a starting QB that excels at 20 yard crossing patterns and sucks at the long-ball.

What he has done is get us division championships and brought us a long way from 2-14. I'm not sayin' it's all bad.

HJam72
01-06-2013, 11:50 AM
I do think if you have RB's like we have and an OL that was playing like it was yesterday, you have to go on 4th and 1. If we play conservative against NE ... we lose.

4th and 2. If it's less than 2 yards, and your line doesn't suck balls like a jr. high team, you will make it most of the time. It's been studied.

Kubiak used to have a reputation for going for it on 4th down a lot. I wish he would get back to that. It worked then and we didn't have Foster, D. Brown, (we might've had our center, but he sucked way back then, LOL) etc.

Corrosion
01-06-2013, 12:02 PM
I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.

Goodwrench3
01-06-2013, 12:23 PM
Keeping Brady in the sidelines,and pressing him,we have a chance!

HJam72
01-06-2013, 12:37 PM
I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.

The gameplan is fine as long as Manning, Brady, Rodgers, etc. aren't lighting up our D. Then, we get frustrated over the lack pf aggression. Schaub's arm/Kubiak's play-calling; whatever, it's frustrating that we so rarely come back from behind. Maybe one of the fricking refs would like to be our QB. :sarcasm:

jaayteetx
01-06-2013, 12:49 PM
I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.

That game plan would've gotten us beat if Dalton can hit a wide open AJ Green.

HJam72
01-06-2013, 12:56 PM
That game plan would've gotten us beat if Dalton can hit a wide open AJ Green.

I can tell you this: Tom Brady can hit a wide open anybody all day long, and if he don't, it's a penalty on your corner, HC, DC, OC, QB, and everybody not wearing a Patriots jersey in the stands.

theNumber80
01-06-2013, 01:03 PM
I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.

We bash the gameplan because there are times when we struggle to move the ball and when we do eventually get into the red zone it's basically a LOCK that we're kicking a FG. We could waste all the time in the world but when we're kicking FGs and Brady is scoring TDs in 2 mins, we have NO shot.

Fili
01-06-2013, 01:12 PM
It's a start from playing awful against teams we should've beaten. A win is a win, but we can't be playing like this against the Pats.

cuppacoffee
01-06-2013, 01:28 PM
Houston defeated Cincinnati, 19-13, an interesting set of numbers considering the Texans dominated every facet of this game except for punting. And in fairness, the guy from Cincy had way more practice.

First downs: Texans 24, Bengals 12

Total yards: Texans 420, Bengals 198

Time of possession: Texans 38:49, Bengals 21:11

This list goes on and on and on and includes Kubiak schooling Lewis in what amounted to a fight to be the tallest short person. Lewis okayed and watched as his offensive coordinator Jay Gruden inexplicably underused running back BenJarvus Green-Ellis and overused a screen play that worked exactly never. There was a misused timeout, a forgotten A.J. Green, a reliance on Jermaine Gresham and inability to adjust. And yet with under four minutes remaining, the Bengals were driving down the field for what possibly could have been the game-winning score.

Why this happened was inadvertently explained by Texans linebacker Bradie James when talking their defensive strategy.

"The biggest thing, well, a lot of us have been trying to talk about it — not giving up seven points. You see, when you give up seven points you don't have a chance," James said. "But when you keep a team to just kicking field goals, you keep 'em close and then you can pin your ears back."

James needs to deliver this speech to Kubiak.

To him or Texans owner Bob McNair or somebody, because the reverse is also true. Kubiak employs quite possibly the most conservative game plan in the NFL. If this was politics, he'd be labeled a wingnut and decried by Glenn Beck as having lost touch with mainstream values. The guy always looks to be in a state of panic about when he can get his kicker on the field. Heck, there was a moment Saturday when the Texans took a delay on fourth-and-short with their punter on the field. The idea of doing that with his offense probably never crossed his mind even though Arian Foster was lethal Saturday.

It is why Texans fans boo kicker Shayne Graham every time he takes the field. It is not personal. They are sick of seeing him every single time there is a close call in the red zone.

"I love our crowd but they are getting spoiled," Texans running back Arian Foster said. "They're booing, and we're OK. We're OK, man."

What is frustrating is the Texans could be a good team, at very least a competitive playoff team. As much as this pains me to say, defensive coordinator Wade Phillips has his side ballin'. He may be a cupcake as a head coach, but he's pretty good at coordinating. And J.J. Watt is just a freak of football nature.

Kubiak's not beating the New England Patriots Sunday in Foxboro if he's not willing to gamble, open his game plan up just a bit and play to win. We already saw that game, the Texans going up to Foxboro in their matching letter jackets and talk of Bulls on Parade and clear hearts, full eyes can't lose . . . and getting pummeled.

New England absolutely embarrassed Houston on Dec. 10, a 42-14 whipping that started a slide to end this season. Almost every Texans player downplayed that first meeting with the usual clichés about this being a different season, about short memories, about how this game will be closer.

"I don't think it was embarrassing. It just was a game and, on any given Sunday, if you don't show up, it can happen," James said. "New England did teach us a lot. They taught us you need to show up and bring the intensity to be a champion."

This perspective comes from being in his 10th season, of knowing NFL teams do not get infinite kicks at the can, of knowing NFL teams oftentimes have to do a little impossible if they want to win a Super Bowl.

"I'm not worried," McNair said when asked about playing New England again, which felt like the exact wrong thing to say.

He needs to worry because Tom Brady is not going to let the Texans off the mat if they keep constantly settling for field goals like the Bengals and QB Andy Dalton did. McNair needs to worry because Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has a firm grasp of how to best use his weapons, despite his critics. McNair needs to worry because Belichick is not going to Marvin Lewis this thing.

Belichick coaches with a big set of lower guts. And he rarely beats himself. And if Kubiak coaches like he did Saturday, the Texans do not stand a chance. *

And in a couple of years or next, the pink slip may be his and there will be little outrage.



mods like links.


This is what happens when two less than brilliant coaches choose to play lets not lose it instead of playing to win it.

Next time Kubiak shows any imagination in playcalling will be the first time.

How many times yesterday did we attempt a pass that was beyond the first down marker, how many times behind the first down marker?

Refresh my memory..has he ever called for a fake field goal or a fake punt?
..:turtle: on a fence post

Like watching paint dry.

:coffee:

infantrycak
01-06-2013, 01:37 PM
mods like links.

Yes - please do not post without links. Here is this one. (http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/01/05/13/Kubiak-needs-to-get-it-together-after-ug/msn_landing.html?blockID=845413&feedID=4519)

Dishman
01-06-2013, 01:39 PM
I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.

Somewhere in that game plan you should consider scoring touchdowns, or is that something the players can't do?

TEXANRED
01-06-2013, 01:45 PM
smh..... that your players and your owner attitude toward the ass kicking they've received from the patroits is "whatever, just another game". At this point I have a feeling a lot of players on this team don't even care.

What do you want them to say to the media? Do you know what they are saying behind closed doors?

TEXANRED
01-06-2013, 01:53 PM
I do think if you have RB's like we have and an OL that was playing like it was yesterday, you have to go on 4th and 1. If we play conservative against NE ... we lose.

The Texans pretty much took a really good Bengals defense and walked all over them. The Patriots dont have as good a defense as the Bengals.

The Texans have a better Oline, Defense, and running game. The Patriots however have better coaching and QB.

Texecutioner
01-06-2013, 01:56 PM
Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.

No it doesn't. Brady is going to put up some scores. The Texans have to keep up with those scores. This isn't some low scoring offense they're playing. They'll be playing the highest scoring team in the league that raped every other team as far as offensive scoring goes. The Texans will have to keep up with that. Trying to play conservatively against a team like the Patriots is what is a recipe for disaster.

Pantherstang84
01-06-2013, 01:58 PM
Man the media couldn't give us 24 hours to enjoy the win. /sarcasm

Big Lou
01-06-2013, 02:10 PM
Ugly win?

It wasn't the sexiest win, but it sure wasn't ugly. Any team in the playoffs would be thrilled with that game.

Schaub made one big mistake, and Andre dropped a tough but watchable ball. Houston took what they were given. You play your game plan and the flow of the game.

The Texans overcame a couple of critical mistakes, that's what good teams do, that's what they failed to do the last several weeks of the season.

The defense was on fire yesterday, so why take chances. Open up the play book a little more when you have to.

I just can't see how you can be missed off about yesterday's win. Was it a complete as whooping, no, but it's the damn playoffs the competition is a little stiffer. The red zone thing should be the only complaint, if you like complaining about a win.

Hopefully the team gets some healthy confidence and builds some momentum based on a damn good statiscal if not high score differential win.

Textan
01-06-2013, 02:22 PM
To beat New England just about everything has to go right and you'll have to get some turnovers against a QB who doesn't give up many.
Think we'll know within 5 minutes if we have a repeat of the slaughter.
Offense showed some signs of life yesterday, but the RZ ineptness was troubling. That RZ futility will have to bear fruit against NE, FG's won't cut it.
If we were playing NE at our home, which we should have been, we'd stand a damn good chance.
Just haven't seen much to make me believe the outcome will be different than before, play off or not.

thunderkyss
01-06-2013, 02:40 PM
Somewhere in that game plan you should consider scoring touchdowns, or is that something the players can't do?

I'm sick & tired of Kubiak not writing that into his Denny's Menu.

"Score Touchdowns" should be on the fricken top. When we're in the red zone, that's the play he ought to call.

Matt Uh... what play we're going to run here coach?
Kubiak eeeeyyyyee don't know. Let's try this one here at the top.... Score Touchdown
Matt Ok.

HJam72
01-06-2013, 02:46 PM
You guys are making too big a deal out of the Denny's menu. The man gets hungry.

Fact is that taking notes, using lists, etc. is an extremely effective management/just-plain-work-ethic strategy. Most people never do it, because they are too proud.

thunderkyss
01-06-2013, 02:47 PM
On a serious note. I hope, that Kubiak doesn't let all this, "score TDs, not field goals" talk screw with his head. If the situation presents itself & the smart thing to do is kick a field goal, I hope he kicks the freak'n field goal & move on.

dc_txtech
01-06-2013, 03:16 PM
No it doesn't. Brady is going to put up some scores. The Texans have to keep up with those scores. This isn't some low scoring offense they're playing. They'll be playing the highest scoring team in the league that raped every other team as far as offensive scoring goes. The Texans will have to keep up with that. Trying to play conservatively against a team like the Patriots is what is a recipe for disaster.

I disagree. It's damn near impossible to outscore Brady in a shootout, especially in the playoffs. You have to run the ball, play good defense, and hope for a little luck. Here are the patriots scores in playoff and Super Bowl losses since Brady came along starting with their most recent loss and going backwards.

17
21
14
14
34 (vs Peyton)
13

Of course it would help to score TD's instead of FG's but I think it's going to be more on how our run game and defense play next Sunday.

PhilpW
01-06-2013, 03:36 PM
This is what concerns me (from Monday before first game):

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Monday-practice/15b34543-3d65-49c0-90d9-1003ceb2ffcf

(on how scary is it to go up against QB Tom Brady with inexperienced defensive backs) “Well it’s Monday and it’s scary so I’m sure it’s going to be real scary getting toward the end of the week. That’s where we’re at.

How does this create confidence for the players?

EllisUnit
01-06-2013, 03:55 PM
I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.

I dont think it is so much the "gamke plan" that everyone dont like. It is what we do once our game plan gets blown out of whack. Hell even with our game plan, at their 20 4th and 1 we could take a chance sometimes. I hope the texans have some tricks up their sleves.

How often have you ever seen kubiak do a fake put, Forsett is in on punts alot do a direct snap to him and i am sure he can get you 2-3 yards if needed. But no when we line up for a pun it is a punt.

It is things like this that would help our team believe it or not. And not just from us getting a first down, but it would pump up or team IMO. Maybe give them a little more confidence.

Jules Winnfield
01-06-2013, 03:58 PM
I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.

its this type of mentality that mediocre people have.

Its not the game plan of a winner.

Its a game plan of a loser.

No wonder kubiak and schaub have lasted this long in houston without winning anything while still getting praised and contract extensions.

You're an enabler of mediocrity.

The Third Man
01-06-2013, 04:14 PM
its this type of mentality that mediocre people have.

Its not the game plan of a winner.

Its a game plan of a loser.

No wonder kubiak and schaub have lasted this long in houston without winning anything while still getting praised and contract extensions.

You're an enabler of mediocrity.

Get the hell out of here. Honestly, I'm tired of internet warriors lecturing other, more successful people about winning and excellence while offering *no substance*. What's your "game plan of a winner?" This is a football board. Seriously, what strategy beats the New England Patriots? You offer nothing but complaints and an unearned superiority complex. Here's a giant middle finger for you.

thunderkyss
01-06-2013, 04:14 PM
No wonder kubiak and schaub have lasted this long in houston without winning anything while still getting praised and contract extensions.


smh

Kubiak's been here since 2006. That's seven seasons. In that seven seasons, he's had 2 losing seasons. 3 winning seasons, 2 division championships & won 2 play off games.

He's yet to beat the elite teams (& Minnesota).

dc_txtech
01-06-2013, 04:15 PM
its this type of mentality that mediocre people have.

Its not the game plan of a winner.

Its a game plan of a loser.

No wonder kubiak and schaub have lasted this long in houston without winning anything while still getting praised and contract extensions.

You're an enabler of mediocrity.

Yes it's all Corrosion's fault. I suggest we let NE control the clock, increase mistakes, ask our players to do things that they can't do. That's the game plan of a winner!

legacy_gt
01-06-2013, 04:21 PM
ugly win? i've seen much worse. give the bengals credit. they were one of the hottest teams going into the playoff. texans were going in reverse. texans had the game the whole time. take away the interception and bengals had only 2 field goals.

thunderkyss
01-06-2013, 04:30 PM
Yes it's all Corrosion's fault. I suggest we let NE control the clock, increase mistakes, ask our players to do things that they can't do. That's the game plan of a winner!

Make sure they write into the game plan, "Score TDs, not FGs"

GP
01-06-2013, 05:11 PM
Since we're all saying what game plan should be implemented, this is mine and has been mine (even prior to our Week 14 game vs. the Patriots):

1. You have to bring your A+ game -- No dropped passes, no stupid penalties, no Schaub backpedaling for his life, basically play your best in all facets of the game.

2. You have to have the Patriots stumble and make their own mistakes, and then capitalize off those mistakes when given the opportunities.

Now let's see what happened in that Week 14 matchup:

The Texans played very well in the opening minutes of the game. We had around four straight runs and Foster was doing really good. We had a questionable holding call on one of our OL, which brought back a tremendous Foster run. I think we still moved the ball after that....but then things got bogged down or Matt turned the ball over, can't remember.

Next, Patriots got down to the EZ and Kareem Jackson tried to pick up a loose ball and run with it rather than just jumping on it. A play or two later, the Patriots score a TD.

THAT deflated this team. Period. They saw their offense sort of wilt, then our defense couldn't secure a timely turnover off the Pats, and that was the point that I saw this Texans team throw patience and smart play out the window.

Gotta' bring your A+ game, and you gotta' hope that Brady & Co. lose some focus and we get some benefit out of it. Then the Patriots do what we do: Crumble under the disappointment, sort of retreat into a cocoon of worry and lack of focus.

It's just that we get there more easily than they do. They have a QB and an offense that can really rebound quickly.

amazing80
01-06-2013, 05:24 PM
I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.

Because good qbs like Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Ryan, will make us pay and can strike VERY QUICKLY. If we continue to get fgs, sooner or later they will get touchdowns and will beat us. Sorry but our defense is not good enough to shut down passing attacks for 60 minutes.

gafftop
01-06-2013, 05:32 PM
Just curious I only remember 1 time when the Texans actually threw into the end zone, the pass to AJ. I am sure there were others, i just don't remember , but it does seem we don't throw into the end zone as much as other teams when we get into the red zone. Any body else notice this? Why do you think we don't? Is it that we just don't have the quick receivers or some other reason.

thunderkyss
01-06-2013, 06:06 PM
Since we're all saying what game plan should be implemented, this is mine and has been mine (even prior to our Week 14 game vs. the Patriots):

1. You have to bring your A+ game -- No dropped passes, no stupid penalties, no Schaub backpedaling for his life, basically play your best in all facets of the game.

2. You have to have the Patriots stumble and make their own mistakes, and then capitalize off those mistakes when given the opportunities.


This just makes too much sense. IF GP can think up this game plan, why the heck can't Kubiak? Doesn't he get paid to write up game plans?

If this isn't the gameplan for next weeks game, I hope sure as heck Dennison goes on to Chicago & we get an OC who can write a game plan like this.

Frek'n Kubiak... They better write in that thing about TDs instead of FGs too.

GP
01-06-2013, 06:17 PM
Just curious I only remember 1 time when the Texans actually threw into the end zone, the pass to AJ. I am sure there were others, i just don't remember , but it does seem we don't throw into the end zone as much as other teams when we get into the red zone. Any body else notice this? Why do you think we don't? Is it that we just don't have the quick receivers or some other reason.

I think Gary is being conservative.

He wants us getting a FG attempt no matter what. If we get into the RZ, but we're a good 15 to 20 yards out...we're looking to play it safe and secure the FG attempt. If we're within the 10, you'll see us play it less conservative.

I think Gary is going overboard with being conservative, tbh.

He does the same thing when we're within our own 15 or 10. Both ends of the field, it's like he's got this ultra conservative philosophy that says "Don't screw up the field position game..." or "Don't screw up the FG attempt..."

Which I think might be causing this team's players to play it too safely everywhere else. Your coach is basically training you to always think about safety FIRST.

That's my pet theory, though. ;)

dalemurphy
01-06-2013, 06:39 PM
its this type of mentality that mediocre people have.

Its not the game plan of a winner.

Its a game plan of a loser.

No wonder kubiak and schaub have lasted this long in houston without winning anything while still getting praised and contract extensions.

You're an enabler of mediocrity.

I don't think that's fair. Every team develops an identity. The Texans of 2009 and 2010 could throw it around the yard just fine. The Texans of 2012, building on the success of 2011, developed a recipe that won a lot of games for them. Cushing's injury and some offensive struggles have led to the loss of some confidence and a bit of an identity crisis. These things happen. That's why, in today's NFL, the teams with the best record are seldom the champs... instead, it is the team hitting on all cylinders as the playoffs begin.

It's disappointing that we are looking at a likely 2nd round exit after we looked so good earlier in the year. New England has dealt with that reality plenty the past 10 years... Winning organizations deal with lots of disappointment. Get used to it.

rush2112mn
01-06-2013, 08:44 PM
A win a is win....I dont care how pretty or ugly it is....never thought wins had beauty contest anyways.....Just win......thats all that matters......just win.....:texflag::texan::logo:

utahmark
01-06-2013, 08:48 PM
This is what concerns me (from Monday before first game):

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Monday-practice/15b34543-3d65-49c0-90d9-1003ceb2ffcf

(on how scary is it to go up against QB Tom Brady with inexperienced defensive backs) “Well it’s Monday and it’s scary so I’m sure it’s going to be real scary getting toward the end of the week. That’s where we’re at.

How does this create confidence for the players?

I doubt the players ever even see that. He could of worded that better though.

Dishman
01-06-2013, 08:52 PM
I'm sick & tired of Kubiak not writing that into his Denny's Menu.

"Score Touchdowns" should be on the fricken top. When we're in the red zone, that's the play he ought to call.

Matt Uh... what play we're going to run here coach?
Kubiak eeeeyyyyee don't know. Let's try this one here at the top.... Score Touchdown
Matt Ok.

But they've got Dennison in their ears saying, "Stick to the script. Kick the FG." One of these guys has got to overrule Dennison.

Dishman
01-06-2013, 08:55 PM
Make sure they write into the game plan, "Score TDs, not FGs"

Hopefully they'll right it on each other's foreheads, otherwise how will they remember?

GP
01-06-2013, 09:02 PM
But they've got Dennison in their ears saying, "Stick to the script. Kick the FG." One of these guys has got to overrule Dennison.

We don't know what's going on between Kubiak and Dennison, honestly.

Nobody knows if it's Dennison's calls the majority of the time...if Kubiak is overriding Dennison the majority of the time...if Dennison is calling everything but Red Zone play calls...or vice versa, or what.

We just don't know.

And probably never will. My hunch is that Gary is sticking his finger in the pie too much, and it's messing up the cooking. He built this offense, he acquired his players for it, he's probably going to want as much control as he can get. We DO know the call comes to Gary on the sideline and he then radio's it into Matt or has a player run the call into the huddle. So...Gary has admitted that he can change the call if he wants. I draw my own conclusions based on his anecdotal comments he's made over the years.

A few years back, Kubiak joked that Shanahan, Jr. had finally convinced him (Gary) that he needed to be more of a HC and less involved with the intricacies of the offense. I think that was the year leading up to maybe Shanny's last year here. 2009 maybe? Can't remember. Then his dad got the Redskins gig and he went to be their o-coord. I think Gary went back to being the meddling play caller at that point.

bigbrewster2000
01-06-2013, 09:06 PM
Man the media couldn't give us 24 hours to enjoy the win. /sarcasm

Why should they when our own fans can't give us 5 minutes:shades:

Corrosion
01-06-2013, 09:17 PM
I dont think it is so much the "gamke plan" that everyone dont like. It is what we do once our game plan gets blown out of whack. Hell even with our game plan, at their 20 4th and 1 we could take a chance sometimes. I hope the texans have some tricks up their sleves.

How often have you ever seen kubiak do a fake put, Forsett is in on punts alot do a direct snap to him and i am sure he can get you 2-3 yards if needed. But no when we line up for a pun it is a punt.

It is things like this that would help our team believe it or not. And not just from us getting a first down, but it would pump up or team IMO. Maybe give them a little more confidence.


4th and 1 at their 20 .... you might go for it under some game situations .... but for the most part you take the 3 points. The circumstances dictate when you do things like that .... you dont just leave points on the field on a whim.

Tight game , you take the 3 and move on most of the time.

Ahead a 7+ and want to salt it away .... then you consider it.

In no mans land (~the opponents 40) you might take a gamble.


Weather and field conditions have to be taken into account ...


But Im not a fan of taking risks that arent worth the reward. You have to weigh the rewards vs that risk along with the game situation.



its this type of mentality that mediocre people have.

Its not the game plan of a winner.

Its a game plan of a loser.

No wonder kubiak and schaub have lasted this long in houston without winning anything while still getting praised and contract extensions.

You're an enabler of mediocrity.

Yeah , Im an enabler of mediocrity .... tell that to my kids who all make straight a's knowing I wont accept anything less.

Im 44 and been retired a decade .... but hey , Im just a mediocre loser. I'll be sure to laugh at your ass monday morning while you are headed to work (or the unemployment line) .... and Im headed to the fishin hole. WINNING!

You wouldnt know winning if it kicked you in the junk.


Game situations dictate whether you take chances or not .... Taking un-necessary risk is ..... moronic. Fastest way for a coach to lose his job is listen to fans , most of which like you have no clue what risks are acceptable and what risks arent.

Corrosion
01-06-2013, 09:29 PM
Because good qbs like Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Ryan, will make us pay and can strike VERY QUICKLY. If we continue to get fgs, sooner or later they will get touchdowns and will beat us. Sorry but our defense is not good enough to shut down passing attacks for 60 minutes.

Of course we'd all love TD's over FG's on every drive ...... but when you have a penalty , a dropped pass , a sack , a blown block that leads to a negative play or some other mishap .... you more often than not take the three and move on to the next drive no matter who the other QB is - you dont leave points on the field.

The players have , in this streak of poor games made many mistakes in the redzone ... and the bottom line is they have to eliminate those mistakes against a team like the Pats and cash in on those trips tothe redzone.


Its not so much the playcalling as it is the players not putting themselves on the wrong end of down and distance.

Corrosion
01-06-2013, 09:40 PM
That game plan would've gotten us beat if Dalton can hit a wide open AJ Green.

Didnt see this till now ....


The gameplan wouldnt have been what got them beat - It would have been the mistakes that forced them to take those FG's instead of TD's (A dropped TD by AJ or a penalty on Brooks that moved them back from 1'st and goal to third and long) .... or the huge mistake that Schaub made in throwing a pick six when he had Walter wide open over the top.


Mistakes are what forced them to kick some of those FG's .... The wound would have been self inflicted.

thunderkyss
01-06-2013, 09:48 PM
We don't know what's going on between Kubiak and Dennison, honestly.

Nobody knows if it's Dennison's calls the majority of the time...if Kubiak is overriding Dennison the majority of the time...if Dennison is calling everything but Red Zone play calls...or vice versa, or what.

We just don't know.

And probably never will. My hunch is that Gary is sticking his finger in the pie too much, and it's messing up the cooking. He built this offense, he acquired his players for it, he's probably going to want as much control as he can get.

What we do know, for a fact, When Kubiak got here, this offense was more vertical. With David Carr, with Sage Rosenfels, with Matt Schaub. And this was a time when we "knew" Kyle wasn't calling the plays.

As Kyle matured under Kubiak, I will agree with the perception that the offense appeared more creative.

Then when Dennison came it was thought that he would help develop a commitment to the running game & fix our red zone problems.

This "conservative" Kubiak thing started last year, I think. There were several games where Schaub's attempts were in the low 20s but we either had a lot of yards, or a lot of points. Tennessee he threw the ball 23 times for 296 yards & we had 41 points. Against Cleveland we came out throwing the ball, he ended up only throwing 23 times for 119 yards but we had 30 points, beating the Browns by 18 & the game wasn't even that close. TB, he was killing them on 15 attempts for 242 yards, 37 points he only played half the game, but I think we scored most of that while he was still in the game. Attempts were down, but it was very much a vertical passing game.

And this year, I'm not so sure that there haven't been conservative decisions made by Matt, more so than Kubiak's play calling. i think there have been more decisions to throw the ball to the short route than there have been calls to run it up the middle on 2nd & 15.

I'll agree that Kubiak isn't the kind of guy who will run up the score. If that's conservative so be it. But throughout his career, he has designed plays to stretch the field, attack defenses downfield, & put points on the board. What we've been seeing this year doesn't fit that m.o.

mridge01
01-06-2013, 10:32 PM
The Texans pretty much took a really good Bengals defense and walked all over them. The Patriots dont have as good a defense as the Bengals.

The Texans have a better Oline, Defense, and running game. The Patriots however have better coaching and QB.

Yeah the Texans starting offense put up one TD against the Pats.

mridge01
01-06-2013, 10:37 PM
[QUOTE=dc_txtech;2099332]I disagree. It's damn near impossible to outscore Brady in a shootout, especially in the playoffs. You have to run the ball, play good defense, and hope for a little luck. /QUOTE]

Agreed. Worked for the cardinals early in the season.

ObsiWan
01-06-2013, 11:01 PM
I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.
Not sure why some folks don't get this. It's how Parcells won his Super Bowls. Control the clock with the run, rely on the strength of his team, the defense, to keep the score low. Strike deep when the opposition concentrates on stopping the run. It's also how Belichick won his first couple of Super Bowls with Brady. Run the ball, control the clock, be in position to win at the end. Did you know Brady only threw for 145 yds in that first Super Bowl? The losing QB, Kurt Warner threw for 360+ yds and still lost.

You keep doing what your guys do well. This team is built to run; not to throw it all around the yard every damned down. If that's what you crave I suggest you watch the Saints. We aren't, and have never been, built to do that.

Corrosion
01-06-2013, 11:51 PM
Not sure why some folks don't get this.

Cause they aint smart like us ..... :corrosion:

qqert
01-07-2013, 03:11 AM
please football jesus, guide our head coach to pick the right plays and strategy when game prepping for football church this sunday.

in football jesus name we pray. amen.

ps. please sprinkle some mean-dust on our O-Line that they may comsistently spread brotherly spanking on the NE D-Line too. Thank you.




G'nyt folks. Dont forget to pray!

thunderkyss
01-07-2013, 08:52 AM
please football jesus, guide our head coach to pick the right plays and strategy when game prepping for football church this sunday.


What I'd like to see is Kubiak use Walter more like a third TE than a WR. Use whatever combination he'd like at #2 WR, Posey (my favorite) or Martin, & Jean as his Andre breather.

Put Walter in as the third TE. Instead of Casey. Casey plays in all the fullback sets, but when you have Casey lined up at TE, that should be Walter.

I think Walter would be more dynamic in that spot than he is at #2 WR. He blocks as well if not better than Casey, he's faster than Casey, & he's better in the middle of the field than Casey.

He can be our Dallas Clark as a TE more than he can be our Pierre Garcon. Belichick would still see him as a WR & put his nickel back in the game. Line Walter up like a TE & we'll be able to run the ball easier than if we had Casey in & Belichick matches him up with a LB.

GP
01-07-2013, 09:45 AM
Not sure why some folks don't get this. It's how Parcells won his Super Bowls. Control the clock with the run, rely on the strength of his team, the defense, to keep the score low. Strike deep when the opposition concentrates on stopping the run. It's also how Belichick won his first couple of Super Bowls with Brady. Run the ball, control the clock, be in position to win at the end. Did you know Brady only threw for 145 yds in that first Super Bowl? The losing QB, Kurt Warner threw for 360+ yds and still lost.

You keep doing what your guys do well. This team is built to run; not to throw it all around the yard every damned down. If that's what you crave I suggest you watch the Saints. We aren't, and have never been, built to do that.

And you left out the following:

1. Run right AT Vince Wilfork.

2. Or, run to the right side of our line

3. Forget to block a man who is right across from you, letting your QB get sacked in 0.75 seconds after the snap.

4. Try to pick up fumbles and run with the ball, rather than securing the ball FIRST.

See, the theories are all good and well. But when your coach chooses to run at the strength of the opposing defense, when the coach chooses to run to the weakest side of our line, when the players are losing their minds out there (a mark of not being disciplined, which is a coaching issue), the whole "control the clock and win with defense" doesn't matter much.

Nobody here will admit that this Texans team is not playing great football.

Yes, the outlined strategy worked vs. the Bengals. But the Patriots are not the Bengals. We should at least be acknowledging that the odds are stacked against us IF this Texans team doesn't play premium, quality football out there.

And then there's the issue of the Patriots. A team who will likely be characteristically (a) disciplined, (b) focused, (c) talented across the board, and (d) in their own home with their home crowd behind them.

There IS a chance, it's just that the chance is a small one. We need a lot of things to go our way Sunday.

GP
01-07-2013, 09:48 AM
I just want to see all our guys leave everything on the field.

I think they got outclassed in week 14, and they were afraid to be seen as giving their best and being beaten. So just give up, let off the gas pedal, and slouch around and act like you're disinterested in playing the game.

They need to check their pride at the door and just get back to the trench mindset of football. Every single play requires maximum effort. Then you start over on the next play. Over and over again. Maximum effort, no matter the result of the play or the sound of the crowd, etc.

These guys have got to find the toughness that was there when they played high school ball, college ball, all those workouts in the offseason, and the struggles and battles in camp when they were fighting for their own roster spot.

Double Barrel
01-07-2013, 11:12 AM
its this type of mentality that mediocre people have.

Its not the game plan of a winner.

Its a game plan of a loser.

No wonder kubiak and schaub have lasted this long in houston without winning anything while still getting praised and contract extensions.

You're an enabler of mediocrity.

This is just a bizarre post in it's absurdity.

First, if I'm not mistaken, Corrosion is just a fan. He's not in the front office, making personnel decisions, calling plays, or doing anything at all that actually influences the team.

What can a fan do to not be a so-called "enabler of mediocrity"? Cry? Scream? Protest? Write e-mails? Call sports radio shows?

Seriously, actually talk some sense before you post nonsense.

As far as game play, it appears that you do not watch much football.

ObsiWan mentioned it, but it should be repeated. Corrosion's post was Football 101. Bill Walsh was a master of it when he won four Super Bowl championships with the 49ers. Tom Landry did the same thing. Play to your strengths, keep the other team's offense off the field, and avoid mistakes.

Strange that you say it's a "game plan of a loser" for a team that won a playoff game. Do you engage your brain before you post?

Runner
01-07-2013, 11:26 AM
...It's how Parcells won hid Super Bowls...It's also how Belichick won his first couple of Super Bowls...


...Bill Walsh was a master of it when he won four Super Bowl championships... Tom Landry did the same thing...

Parcels. Belichick. Walsh. Landry. Kubiak.

Sorry for the interruption. I agree with the point you two are making, but this grouping made me laugh.

GP
01-07-2013, 11:36 AM
Parcels. Belichick. Walsh. Landry. Kubiak.

Sorry for the interruption. I agree with the point you two are making, but this grouping made me laugh.

Agreed.

I got suckered into thinking a 12-1 record, which followed our best year in 2011, was somehow a sign that Kubiak was growing. Only in the loss to the Patriots did I realize that he hasn't grown. He's just faced teams who crumble faster than HIS does.

I was unfazed by the Packers loss. But the loss to the Patriots, the total collapse and utter zombie-like actions of his entire team that late into the season told me that this head coach is a boy among men when it comes to playing the big games.

There was an adage that "We win despite Kubiak" and that saying went out of style with the 12-1 record. Now it's seeming like we might be back to that state of being again: Finding ways to overcome the immaturity of Gary's coaching skills. Sorry if that sounds harsh to others on here, but hey...no time for coddling. This is win-or-go-home time. No trophies for 2nd place, nor for divisional round exits.

Mr teX
01-07-2013, 11:41 AM
My main issue with Kubiak has become him having no imagination when it comes to getting the ball into his playmaker's hands & utilizing all the talent he has at his disposal. He's not creative enough.

The reverse to Martin last week is a play that we should've been running to utilize his speed and playmaking ability.

we should be targeting Posey more on those deep comeback routes where he showed excellent separation and hands.

I love AJ, but its clear by watching him that he's lost a step..so why not run that bubble screen that we throw to AJ at least twice per game, to Martin and get him in space....it could be just like a punt/KO return...which is where he's been for weeks now & he's nearly broke a few too.

You guys want more throws past 10 yards? Get all your speed guys on the field so at least there's a viable threat that someone other than AJ can take the top of the defense. I think this is as much of a problem as anything. Walter & Daniels/Graham's deep speed scare noone...so the defense is just sitting on the short stuff & sitting a safety over the top of AJ.

You gotta utilize all your tools and get the defense to think....at least a little bit.

Double Barrel
01-07-2013, 11:56 AM
Parcels. Belichick. Walsh. Landry. Kubiak.

Sorry for the interruption. I agree with the point you two are making, but this grouping made me laugh.

It does sound funny now.

But, those HoF coaches did not start off that way. I'm sure there were Cowboys fans calling for Landry's head after he was given a ten-year extension before ever having a winning season. Heck, Landry went 18-46 in his first five seasons with the Cowboys, including a winless season.

Walsh was widely considered to be a horrible HC pick when the 49ers hired him, coming from a college background and fans hated it.

Heck, Belichick was slammed hard after his gig with the Browns (which really wasn't that bad if not for Modell's moving the team during a season). But I remember when the Patriots got him and the national media was criticizing the decision hard.

Obviously, Kubiak has a long way to go before he can truly be mentioned in that circle, but any coach we get will most likely have the same uphill battle (unless we get some tired re-tread, no thank you Andy Reid, Lovie Smith, Norv Turner, etc.).

I'm far from a Kubiak-homer, but truth be told, he's got this team in the playoffs and that's what we really wanted just a couple of seasons ago. I'm going to stop and smell the roses at this point. Going into week 2 of the NFL post-season with a team still active is fantastic, even if our team is a gigantic underdog to this decade's dynasty franchise.

GP
01-07-2013, 12:14 PM
It does sound funny now.

But, those HoF coaches did not start off that way. I'm sure there were Cowboys fans calling for Landry's head after he was given a ten-year extension before ever having a winning season. Heck, Landry went 18-46 in his first five seasons with the Cowboys, including a winless season.

Walsh was widely considered to be a horrible HC pick when the 49ers hired him, coming from a college background and fans hated it.

Heck, Belichick was slammed hard after his gig with the Browns (which really wasn't that bad if not for Modell's moving the team during a season). But I remember when the Patriots got him and the national media was criticizing the decision hard.

Obviously, Kubiak has a long way to go before he can truly be mentioned in that circle, but any coach we get will most likely have the same uphill battle (unless we get some tired re-tread, no thank you Andy Reid, Lovie Smith, Norv Turner, etc.).

I'm far from a Kubiak-homer, but truth be told, he's got this team in the playoffs and that's what we really wanted just a couple of seasons ago. I'm going to stop and smell the roses at this point. Going into week 2 of the NFL post-season with a team still active is fantastic, even if our team is a gigantic underdog to this decade's dynasty franchise.

I agree with that. Begrudgingly. :shades:

I agree most with the last two paragraphs.

(1) I don't want ANY of the available just-fired coaches. I think Marvin Lewis might be on his way out, too. Don't think for one second that the Bengals ownership is keen on losing to Gary Kubiak in the opening round of the playoffs two years in a row.

(2) Yeah, the Patriots are the Patriots. A decade+ dynasty team that one day will be without its all-universe QB. So that is what it is.

GP
01-07-2013, 12:15 PM
My main issue with Kubiak has become him having no imagination when it comes to getting the ball into his playmaker's hands & utilizing all the talent he has at his disposal. He's not creative enough.

The reverse to Martin last week is a play that we should've been running to utilize his speed and playmaking ability.

we should be targeting Posey more on those deep comeback routes where he showed excellent separation and hands.

I love AJ, but its clear by watching him that he's lost a step..so why not run that bubble screen that we throw to AJ at least twice per game, to Martin and get him in space....it could be just like a punt/KO return...which is where he's been for weeks now & he's nearly broke a few too.

You guys want more throws past 10 yards? Get all your speed guys on the field so at least there's a viable threat that someone other than AJ can take the top of the defense. I think this is as much of a problem as anything. Walter & Daniels/Graham's deep speed scare noone...so the defense is just sitting on the short stuff & sitting a safety over the top of AJ.

You gotta utilize all your tools and get the defense to think....at least a little bit.

Agree whole-heartedly here, too.

thunderkyss
01-07-2013, 12:21 PM
Agreed.

I got suckered into thinking a 12-1 record, which followed our best year in 2011, was somehow a sign that Kubiak was growing. Only in the loss to the Patriots did I realize that he hasn't grown. He's just faced teams who crumble faster than HIS does.


That's football. That's what it boils down to. Once you get a talented team, once you've got good coaches.. this is what it comes down to.

You are absolutely right, & that is a very astute observation.

Remember when people were calling the Texans "soft" even though we had the best offensive line in the league & one of the more physical defenses? This is what they were talking about.

The Texans were soft & against Greenbay & New England, they showed they are still soft in comparison.

We didn't even put up a fight. We went fetal (figuratively of course). That's got to change.

Those guys that want Cowher for head-coach, that is what they are wanting the team to adopt from their coach. That's what the Jets got from Ryan, that's what the 49ers get from Harbaugh. The Jets have showed that they're just punks. Found a bigger bully & laid down.... but, the point is the same.

Right now, we punk the little kids. The freshmen. We run & hide when the Seniors show up. We need to (figuratively) put those lettermans back on & give the Patriots the double 1 finger salute.

ChampionTexan
01-07-2013, 12:25 PM
It does sound funny now.



Absolutely correct, but nobody's saying Gary is those coaches, they're saying he's from the Walsh tree, and he's simply trying to utilizing the strategies developed over the course of that tree's existence.

And at least it's the Walsh coaching tree. Keep in mind that somebody's coaching tree includes the likes of Romeo Crennel, Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini, and Charlie Weiss.

Mr teX
01-07-2013, 12:52 PM
Absolutely correct, but nobody's saying Gary is those coaches, they're saying he's from the Walsh tree, and he's simply trying to utilizing the strategies developed over the course of that tree's existence.

And at least it's the Walsh coaching tree. Keep in mind that somebody's coaching tree includes the likes of Romeo Crennel, Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini, and Charlie Weiss.

:smiliepalm:

Double Barrel
01-07-2013, 01:09 PM
Absolutely correct, but nobody's saying Gary is those coaches, they're saying he's from the Walsh tree, and he's simply trying to utilizing the strategies developed over the course of that tree's existence.

And at least it's the Walsh coaching tree. Keep in mind that somebody's coaching tree includes the likes of Romeo Crennel, Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini, and Charlie Weiss.

Ultimately, that would be the modern coaching tree of one Bill Parcells. ;)

ChampionTexan
01-07-2013, 01:45 PM
Ultimately, that would be the modern coaching tree of one Bill Parcells. ;)

Yeah, except Tuna's tree also includes Belichick himself, Tom Coughlin, and Sean Payton.

Parcells was actually a pretty average coach without Belichick on his staff, but he's done a better job of putting out head coaches than the hoodie has.

Dread-Head
01-07-2013, 01:51 PM
We NEED a Quarterback.

Double Barrel
01-07-2013, 02:13 PM
Yeah, except Tuna's tree also includes Belichick himself, Tom Coughlin, and Sean Payton.

Parcells was actually a pretty average coach without Belichick on his staff, but he's done a better job of putting out head coaches than the hoodie has.

yep. But like the Belichick branches you mentioned that never directly worked for Parcells, Kubiak is the same for the Walsh tree. He never worked directly for Walsh, but instead worked under some of his coaches.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Bill_Walsh_Coaching_Tree.svg/791px-Bill_Walsh_Coaching_Tree.svg.png

Belichick's coaching tree is certainly not as impressive with multiple SB wins, but he's got a pretty good tree if you include his Cleveland Brown days.

qqert
01-07-2013, 02:15 PM
What I'd like to see is Kubiak use Walter more like a third TE than a WR. Use whatever combination he'd like at #2 WR, Posey (my favorite) or Martin, & Jean as his Andre breather. /snip

one things for sure, we can't go back up to NE with same game plan we've used.
because belicheck's figured it out and our offense got STUFFED big time the last trip!