PDA

View Full Version : Possible McKinney move to guard now in OL mix


nunusguy
06-14-2005, 06:14 AM
"With so many questions still surrounding the offensive line, the Texans are considering moving center Steve McKinney to left guard."
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3224321

MightyTExan
06-14-2005, 07:06 AM
Move him to left bench.

OzzO
06-14-2005, 08:09 AM
So, the article starts...
With so many questions still surrounding the offensive line, the Texans are considering moving center Steve McKinney to left guard.
and finishes with...
"I'll do whatever," he said. "Probably by me moving to guard, I can make more money. If they want me to move to guard, I have no problem with it but it's not something that's necessarily a plan. It's Plan B."

Doesn't sound like Steve and the Texans are on the same page. If he's looking for more money, better show some worth this year.

geofb
06-14-2005, 08:18 AM
I think it's finally (though probably too late now) dawning on them that they dawdled in the offseason without addressing the O-line. We may well be in panic mode in training camp trying to fix the problem as best we can.

It is interesting that the party line is that everything is just fine, no problem. Another year of the O-line playing together and everything will gel, etc. But now it's obvious there is trouble in paradise. Behind the scenes they know they've got big problems and little time left to fix it.

Let's watch what happens when training camp opens and that will tell us. If we believe what the staff says and all the O-line needs is a bit more time to work together as a unit to gel, then you would think you would want your players playing together in the position you plan for them to play this year so they can get some more time to gel. In fact, it should be the exact same positions as last year if you really believe you had the right lineup but just needed more time to gel.

On the other hand, if the Texans are spooked (as they should be) that the O-line is going to suck wind, they will be trying all kinds of combinations and moving people all around to try and figure out how to make the best of a bad situation.

Don't listen to what the staff says, watch what they do. That is how you can really tell what the staff truly believes. Actions always speak louder than words.

Big B Texan Fan
06-14-2005, 08:27 AM
I'm all for McKinney not being our C anymore but they (Texans, not the media) are probably drumming this story up so that Pitts and Wand don't feel like they are the only ones having to make a switch. If they see a vet willing to embrace a position swap, then they'd look like big sissy babies if all they was doing was pissing and moaning about the constant movement.---On another note, Wand is probably sucking @ LT & LG and that Washington is a better C than G thus forcing McKinney out a space over to G. Makes perfect sense, and like Dom says, "We want our best combo of 5 out there". texanpride

rittenhouserobz
06-14-2005, 09:11 AM
Putting him at LG gets him further from the QB, thus more time to protect the QB. :)

Vambo, the Marble Eye
06-14-2005, 09:13 AM
Who plays center if McKinney moves?

I would say Pitts just because it almost guarantees he will have less false starts this year. Ok, maybe not. :crying:

titan hater
06-14-2005, 09:15 AM
I'm all for McKinney not being our C anymore but they (Texans, not the media) are probably drumming this story up so that Pitts and Wand don't feel like they are the only ones having to make a switch. If they see a vet willing to embrace a position swap, then they'd look like big sissy babies if all they was doing was pissing and moaning about the constant movement


Thank You Oliver Stone...

ledzeppelin229
06-14-2005, 09:22 AM
Does anyone foresee Weary ever competing for the C position? Just seems like this guy has never gotten it together at the pro level.

nunusguy
06-14-2005, 09:26 AM
I dunno....I'm really confused about what kind of signals we are getting from
these training sessions. Some say its just harmless experimentation, but Capers strikes me as an old school, conservative coach who would cling to
the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" school of thought if he didn't think it was broke. I'm thinking him or some other important decision makers with the Texans have serious reservations about the status quo re the OL.

done88
06-14-2005, 09:34 AM
Mckinney was a great guard at Indy and I have said since day one he should be our guard. We still need a center but we could settle down the guad

Big B Texan Fan
06-14-2005, 09:34 AM
I dunno....I'm really confused about what kind of signals we are getting from
these training sessions. Some say its just harmless experimentation, but Capers strikes me as an old school, conservative coach who would cling to
the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" school of thought if he didn't think it was broke. I'm thinking him or some other important decision makers with the Texans have serious reservations about the status quo re the OL.
Last year there was "Harmless Experimentation" in camp with Wong getting reps @ inside LB. Now look. :hmmm:

Big B Texan Fan
06-14-2005, 09:39 AM
Does anyone foresee Weary ever competing for the C position? Just seems like this guy has never gotten it together at the pro level.
He actually had a few snaps @ C during some reg. season games last year (or maybe the year B-4) but it just doesn't seem he has what it takes to be a C in the NFL with all the signal calling and the memorization of what the rest of the O-Line guys are supposed to do on that particular play. He didn't play C at college.

BornOrange
06-14-2005, 09:55 AM
Mckinney was a great guard at Indy and I have said since day one he should be our guard. We still need a center but we could settle down the guad
McKinney was an average guard at Indy on a passing team. McKinney would be even worse at guard than he has been at center for the Texans because the Texans want a power blocking offensive line, not a finesse line like Indy's.

TEXANS84
06-14-2005, 09:58 AM
Who plays center if McKinney moves?

I would say Pitts just because it almost guarantees he will have less false starts this year. Ok, maybe not. :crying:

More than likely Todd Washington would take over his natural position at center.

nunusguy
06-14-2005, 10:03 AM
the Texans want a power blocking offensive line, not a finesse line like Indy's.
It's my understanding that we are pattering our OL after Denver's OL, which
as I understand it is undersized, but a quick and athletic unit. That sounds like more of an attempt to put together a finesse unit than power unit ?

BornOrange
06-14-2005, 10:19 AM
It's my understanding that we are pattering our OL after Denver's OL, which
as I understand it is undersized, but a quick and athletic unit. That sounds like more of an attempt to put together a finesse unit than power unit ?
The Texans are using a zone-blocking scheme that the Broncos and also the Ravens have used with success. The Broncos use smaller linemen, the Ravens use larger linemen. The Texans are using larger linemen like the Ravens.

Vambo, the Marble Eye
06-14-2005, 10:30 AM
More than likely Todd Washington would take over his natural position at center.


Washington does not look like he plays unless somebody is injured... not really a starter...

I guess where I was going with this is that moving McKinney just makes us weak somewhere else, right?
:homer:

beerlover
06-14-2005, 10:32 AM
More than likely Todd Washington would take over his natural position at center.

not sure Todd has a natural position anymore since he has been moved around so much (mostly RG for an injured Weigert). does have the natural build & experience to play the position but would he really be an upgrade over McKinney in pass protection? seems like a good run blocking guard/center but not sure if he can take on the NT consistantly at the point of attack, holding the front end of the pocket in tact :confused:

what the Texans need is a clear upgrade at this position. sounds more like Center by committee :rolleyes:

nunusguy
06-14-2005, 10:40 AM
The Texans are using a zone-blocking scheme that the Broncos and also the Ravens have used with success. The Broncos use smaller linemen, the Ravens use larger linemen. The Texans are using larger linemen like the Ravens.
Right, but is the zone-blocking scheme more finess or power oriented ? I'm
unsure and am asking you ffor a clarification.

Vinny
06-14-2005, 10:52 AM
It's both, and all the teams in the NFL zone block and man block. You have to use the same skills in either blocking scheme. There are times you have to overpower your opponent in either scheme as well as slide to the second level and take on linebackers in space.

Vinny
06-14-2005, 10:56 AM
I think it's finally (though probably too late now) dawning on them that they dawdled in the offseason without addressing the O-line. We may well be in panic mode in training camp trying to fix the problem as best we can.
It's June.

Big B Texan Fan
06-14-2005, 10:57 AM
Right, but is the zone-blocking scheme more finess or power oriented ? I'm
unsure and am asking you ffor a clarification.
It's kinda depends. On running plays it is more focussed on finesse 1st then power. You see they focus on areas of the field and the LB's. Not too different from most other schemes. Usually 1, sometimes 2 linemen are left to shove D-Linemen on the backside of the play then they move to the LB's in case of a cutback by the RB. That is where the infamous "Cut-Block" usually happens. There's your finesse. The other 3 to 4 O-Linemen that are blocking in the path play are just flat out mauling. On pass plays it's usually just plain ole' pass blocking unless theres a bootleg or rollout or something then it kinda resembles runblocking yet the O-Linemen can't go upfield. This might not be 100% accurate but it's close. Hope this helps.

nunusguy
06-14-2005, 11:04 AM
Vinny & Big B - appreciate the response on my question - Thanks.

Vinny
06-14-2005, 11:14 AM
Zone blocking is used by more teams than most of you guys think. Here is Bob Davie talking about the zone blocking scheme.

I think for the Penn State fans, two great examples of zone blocking can be seen when you watch Minnesota and Iowa," Davie said by phone yesterday.

"What zone blocking is, is two adjacent offensive linemen working together to block an area. It could be three linemen, too.

"It could be the tight end and the tackle, it can be a guard and a tackle," Davie continued.

"And depending upon what the defensive linemen does, one of them is ultimately responsible for handling him.

"But you don't have to use it in the passing game. You don't need to zone block on screens. And the beauty of it is once you get the zone blocking scheme in, it accounts for just about any type of defensive front. You can handle the stunts with it and you are ready for the zone blitz."


And the key to the zone blocking according to Davie: the tailback. The cutback is where the big yards are gained. As Hunt and Scott gain more experience, it should be easier for the line. http://www.pennlive.com/weblogs/print.ssf?/mtlogs/penn_50yardlion/archives/print032296.html

Big B Texan Fan
06-14-2005, 11:22 AM
Thanx Vinny, that was cool.

Vinny
06-14-2005, 11:32 AM
Click the link to more goodness....INFO BELOW FROM NEBRASKA (OSBORNE YEARS)....same blocking 'scheme' that all pros now use...taken from Oline coach/guru Milt Tenopoir

http://bears.hosttown.com/lofiversion/index.php/t53404.html

nunusguy
06-14-2005, 11:39 AM
That is where the infamous "Cut-Block" usually happens.
Yea, that's the dark aspect of zone-blocking that has given it a bad rep.
Heard no less an NFL authority than Madden say on TV it ought to be banned,
yet others think its great and have no reservations about its use. Very
controversial.

geofb
06-14-2005, 11:56 AM
It's June.

True, it's now June. The draft is over and the best free agent O-linemen are signed. Now we get to select from those cast off O-linemen cut by other teams or stick with what we got (which ain't much). Let's celebrate!

Vinny
06-14-2005, 11:59 AM
True, it's now June. The draft is over and the best free agent O-linemen are signed. Now we get to select from those cast off O-linemen cut by other teams or stick with what we got (which ain't much). Let's celebrate!Looks like they weren't after anyone but Pace on the high end side. They could have drafted any NCAA tackle in the nation but they passed. Perhaps they feel better about their talent than most of you guys.

TEXANS84
06-14-2005, 12:11 PM
Washington does not look like he plays unless somebody is injured... not really a starter.

Washington was our starter in 2003 at Left Guard.

Vinny
06-14-2005, 12:16 PM
...and was horrible. :)

dalemurphy
06-14-2005, 12:17 PM
True, it's now June. The draft is over and the best free agent O-linemen are signed. Now we get to select from those cast off O-linemen cut by other teams or stick with what we got (which ain't much). Let's celebrate!

Okay Geofb, Go on record with who you would have signed and drafted this offseason. I'd love to hear your insight.

geofb
06-14-2005, 12:23 PM
Looks like they weren't after anyone but Pace on the high end side. They could have drafted any NCAA tackle in the nation but they passed. Perhaps they feel better about their talent than most of you guys.

I think the Texans (mistakenly) do feel somewhat comfortable with the talent they have on the O-line. What else could explain their unwillingness to do anything to try and improve it? Time will tell if their confidence in their O-line was warranted or not.

But, if they truly do feel good about the talent they have, I wouldn't expect them to make many changes to upset the apple cart. I would think they would keep the same players playing the same positions if they truly feel they are top quality and just need time to gel. We get to test this theory of how good they feel about their talent in training camp-if they start trying all kinds of different combinations that tells me they are not comfortable with what they have...which then begs the question of why didn't they try and do something about it while they still had the chance. For better or worse, we're pretty much stuck with what we got now.

Vinny
06-14-2005, 12:36 PM
I think the Texans (mistakenly) do feel somewhat comfortable with the talent they have on the O-line. What else could explain their unwillingness to do anything to try and improve it? If you are talking roster moves, we did. Last year we changed 4 of the 6 blockers if you include the TE. Good teams don't change their players that much year in-year out, and win. I've already commented a billion times about the line calls and the protection scheme changes as being "significant", but that doesn't count with you guys who only want to see the names change.

Big B Texan Fan
06-14-2005, 12:39 PM
Click the link to more goodness....

http://bears.hosttown.com/lofiversion/index.php/t53404.html
Thanx again.

Vambo, the Marble Eye
06-14-2005, 12:40 PM
The changes do count with me... start the season.

geofb
06-14-2005, 12:43 PM
I've already commented a billion times about the line calls and the protection scheme changes as being "significant", but that doesn't count with you guys who only want to see the names change.

This is the second offseason in a row that we are making significant changes in our blocking schemes according to the Texans. Until those changes start to reduce the number of sacks and give Carr more time to throw, then keep changing them all you want and that plus a quarter will get you a cup of coffee.

Big B Texan Fan
06-14-2005, 12:44 PM
...and was horrible. :)
Yep, that's true.

Vinny
06-14-2005, 12:45 PM
This is the second offseason in a row that we are making significant changes in our blocking schemes according to the Texans. Until those changes start to reduce the number of sacks and give Carr more time to throw, then keep changing them all you want and that plus a quarter will get you a cup of coffee.Bash away, it won't hurt or help the Texans much, but it's a reflection on you the fan. This is where I leave you guys to worry about it endlessly. I don't see much point in endless finger pointing myself when the team has yet to play one single down in the next year after addressing their situation. Knock yourself out.

Runner
06-14-2005, 01:06 PM
The Texans are doing things. They've practiced Wand at guard for the stated purpose of helping him react faster and learn to use his hands better to fight the D-lineman. This is one small example on how to take a "project" and help him reach his potential. It is how coaches improve the players they have.

I'd like to see the other optons some of you see so clearly. Who was the college guy we should have drafted who would come in and been an immediate impact player? Reading some of these posts, it sounds like there must have been several.

Which of the free agents should we have picked up? Those who are better now and for the next few years? Cast-offs from other teams don't include a lot of stud left tackles. Again, I must be missing some players.

Pace would have been nice, but we offfered him way to much money and still lost him. That contract would have handicapped the team, and we would have had to cut him in about 3 years because of it anyway.

What's the quick fix with the Texans have missed? Spell it out!

cuppacoffee
06-14-2005, 01:13 PM
This is the second offseason in a row that we are making significant changes in our blocking schemes according to the Texans. Until those changes start to reduce the number of sacks and give Carr more time to throw, then keep changing them all you want and that plus a quarter will get you a cup of coffee.

No it won't. :rolleyes:

cac: :coffee:

jacquescas
06-14-2005, 01:14 PM
I personally like the versatlity of our line, and Verba fits in with that ability to play multiple positions across the line. Its obvious we are gonna try and go the Steelers route and have a massive running attack and our line is very well suited to that. If Davis can stay healthy he could really break out this year, which he needs to because its a contract year for him.

Zac
06-14-2005, 09:34 PM
The Texans tried to upgrade the Offensive line, and made a run for Pace. It wasn't meant to be. If that would have worked out, the Texans would be looking real good.

The picks haven't worked out in the offensive line except for Pitt and Wand. And Wand is such a question mark. The past couple of years the Texans went and got Bosseli, Mckinney, Wiggert, and Wade. The Texans are trying. Who else was there whom the Texans could have gotten?

The Offensive line we've got is the line that will have to protect Carr. The talent is there, not pro bowl talent, but average NFL guys. Hopefully, they can put it together this year. Before last year, it appeared they were going to get their act together.

The Right Side is set. Pitt and Mckinney should solidify the Left side. And now the question is to fit the Right guy at Center.

throwANDREtheBALL
06-15-2005, 04:03 PM
This is the line I want for the SEASON

RT - WADE
RG - WEIGERT
C - PITTS
LG - WAND
LT - Take your pick (or sign what little is left)

or

RT - WADE
RG - WEIGERT
C - is there anyone ? Can Washington do it ?
LG - WAND
LT - PITTS

I don't know if Mckinney can play LT, but, I'm sure that he's better at LT or LG then C.

I keep reading that WADE would be a bad fit on the left side....would he be worse than WAND was ? (looking for opinions on that)

Since it does no good saying who the TEXANS should've drafted, I figured I might as well try to find the best fit for each lineman. Especially since the coaching staff seems to be taking a couple years to figure it out themselves.
For example - Mckinney and Wand seem to have played in the wrong positions for their talents, the last few years. Hey, not that that's a bad thing, since we had the holes that needed filling, but, hopefully by now, they can figure out who is best at what position.

False Start
06-15-2005, 04:14 PM
We might as well give it a try . It couldnt get any worse .

ledzeppelin229
06-15-2005, 04:33 PM
I don't know where this idea came from that ANYONE other than Wand can play LT. And throwing Pitts in at C, switching everything around just assuming it will be better would be pretty reckless. Here's the line I expect we will see -

Wand, Pitts, McKinney, Wiegert, Wade.

Looks familiar doesn't it? Sorry to all those that think any random sumo combination will lead us to the super bowl.

edo783
06-15-2005, 10:55 PM
I don't know where this idea came from that ANYONE other than Wand can play LT. And throwing Pitts in at C, switching everything around just assuming it will be better would be pretty reckless. Here's the line I expect we will see -

Wand, Pitts, McKinney, Wiegert, Wade.

Looks familiar doesn't it? Sorry to all those that think any random sumo combination will lead us to the super bowl.

Barring injury or some unexpected item, I would be surprised if we used anything other than that group.

F-minus67
06-16-2005, 12:28 AM
Well I think that we can all agree that the only two positions on the o line that are set in stone are RG and RT. When Wiegert is healthly he can hold his own and Wade will only get better than he is now as time goes on. This leaves LT, LG and C as the three positions that are "up for grabs," and Pitts will most likely be the starting LG for the rest of his career as a texans unless someone is injuried. Wand has one year left on his rookie contract I think and this year will make or break him, consisdering the amount of talent in next years draft at LT. This leaves McKinney, who has never had anyone to push him to get better. Sadly for Carr the Texan braintrust seems to like the idea of McKinney as the starting center, which means that he will be that for the rest of his contract. While the o line does have depth, its not good enough to push any of the starters for playing time. All the problems can be fixed but considering how much of a beating Carrs has taken, time is running out.

throwANDREtheBALL
06-16-2005, 10:18 AM
Just don't let Mckinney play Center, that's all I'm saying....Our line instantly improves if he isn't playing Center........put him, Left Guard, or even Left Tackle, since he supposedly has good feet and quickness.........I say put him as backup LG......but, just don't put him at Center, cuz he's proven that he sucks at it. Why give him another year to show us what we already know?

And the fans that think the line is going to be the exact same lineup this year, well, I hope your wrong, since the coaching staff is finally realizing that some of the guys are playing in the wrong positions. If the coaches thought that the guys were in their best spots on the line, then they wouldn't be playing musical chairs with the LT, LG, C spots..........now, would they.

wrestler4life
06-16-2005, 10:34 AM
It is so sad that our weakest positions on the line are the most important for Carr. What do you think that is telling him?

Blake
06-16-2005, 10:43 AM
It is so sad that our weakest positions on the line are the most important for Carr. What do you think that is telling him?

Im not sure he minds anymore. Everytime he gets sacked, little dollar singns appear in his eyes. And the Texans will have to pay for everyone come contract time.

But seriously, I dont think he thinks that the Texans dont give a flip about protecting him. Not everybody can have a Pace/Jones/Ogden.

wrestler4life
06-16-2005, 10:55 AM
Im not sure he minds anymore. Everytime he gets sacked, little dollar singns appear in his eyes. And the Texans will have to pay for everyone come contract time.

But seriously, I dont think he thinks that the Texans dont give a flip about protecting him. Not everybody can have a Pace/Jones/Ogden.

Very true, but why are other teams (i.e. the more elite teams) having such problems solidifying their lines? I think our line is doing the best they can, and that they will get better, but they are going to need to know where they are going to be and have time to work at it together before the season starts or it is going to be one big shart out on the field.

cadahnic
06-16-2005, 11:00 AM
Pitts, Wand, McKinney, Weigert, Wade. This is our best line by far. Wand is a quality player, but he is not an LT. Pitts can play LT and he will be far more consistent this year than Wand. Don't really understand the beef with McKinney since he has started in this league for years so he must do alot more things right than wrong. I mean if you know about football and offensive lines you would see that McKinney a smart and cagey veteran is our best option at C until we find a better replacement. Look for next years draft to bring in a new LT that will play LG until he is ready. In the NFL you put franchise LT at right tackle or left guard to teach them and they become better for it. Hell Walter Jones, Orlando Pace, and Jonathan Ogden did not start out at LT and they are the best in the biz right now. Calm down fans Pitt will handle the LT, Wand will improve alot at LG, and McKinney will have a much better year without the nagging injuries to his shoulder and knee. I really wish Vinny would get on the mic and educate these people about football... Vinny holla at ya boy!!

infantrycak
06-16-2005, 11:37 AM
Hell Walter Jones, Orlando Pace, and Jonathan Ogden did not start out at LT and they are the best in the biz right now.

FYI--Ogden did start his rookie year at LG, but Pace's 9 starts as a rookie came at LT and Jones earned the LT spot in training camp starting 12 games at LT, missing 4 with an ankle injury.

geofb
06-16-2005, 12:05 PM
It is so sad that our weakest positions on the line are the most important for Carr. What do you think that is telling him?

Good point. And heaven forbid Carr should get hurt. For those saying it was a good idea to hold off drafting an O-lineman this year because we should wait until the better crop next year (which is a joke anyway...no one knows what next years crop will bring a year from now), wouldn't it be the ultimate fiasco if, because of our dithering with the O-line, Carr were to suffer a career ending injury because of our high number of sacks. But, hey, no problem. At least we could improve the line in 2006 to block for Ragone! Wouldn't that be wonderful.

wrestler4life
06-16-2005, 01:04 PM
:ouch: :bomb:

Big B Texan Fan
06-16-2005, 01:28 PM
Good point. And heaven forbid Carr should get hurt. For those saying it was a good idea to hold off drafting an O-lineman this year because we should wait until the better crop next year (which is a joke anyway...no one knows what next years crop will bring a year from now), wouldn't it be the ultimate fiasco if, because of our dithering with the O-line, Carr were to suffer a career ending injury because of our high number of sacks. But, hey, no problem. At least we could improve the line in 2006 to block for Ragone! Wouldn't that be wonderful.
It's not like they're waiting for next year (even though it should be better) for an O-linemen. It's just that Barron wasn't worth the $$ in which we were chosing. Maybe we shoulda/woulda/coulda went down further and got Barnes but noone else wanted to move up cuz this last draft class wasn't that good and ALL the teams knew it. Besides Barnes is a jag now so he instantly sux. Next year Leinart will come out, and some teams (Miami, Clev) that needed a QB passed on Rogers knowing that maybe they'll have a chance @ him (given that they're the worst team in the NFL cuz Leinart should go #1 overall).
And some of it (the sax and the knockdowns) lyes on Carr for not getting more creative with the ball on certain occasions. Hence all the new timing routes and fewer option pass plays.

wrestler4life
06-16-2005, 01:30 PM
Creativity in a young QB (unless you can run like Vick) leads to higher INT's

ojthecat
06-16-2005, 01:33 PM
For those saying it was a good idea to hold off drafting an O-lineman this year because we should wait until the better crop next year (which is a joke anyway...no one knows what next years crop will bring a year from now.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you on this one. All one has to do is look at the Juniors in college and then they can see who will be seniors next year. Also there are people who get paid to know what next years crop will bring they are called scouts and gm. I feel very confident in knowing that my team (the Texans) are being run by the best in the business Carlie Casserly.

ledzeppelin229
06-16-2005, 02:40 PM
I don't know where the perception comes from that any midround drafted player would be an automatic instant upgrade. Our history with drafted OL isn't exactly stellar evidence. The best we've drafted would have already been hauled off to the chopping block if some of the fans ran the team.

McKinney has his flaws and liabilities but proclaiming Hodgdon as some OL savior is just ignorant.

nunusguy
06-17-2005, 04:42 PM
Len Pasquarelli, the ESPN sportswriter, has a story claiming that the Chargers
and Bengals are the only 2 teams return their starting OL intact and at the
same positions as they played last year. I think he left us out of that group
by mistake, unless Cass & Capers have let him in on some info they haven't shared with anybody else. We may have been experimenting, but I don't think
any official changes in our OL lineup have been made.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2088145

eriadoc
06-21-2005, 05:19 AM
I thought Pitts did a pretty good job at LT in 2003. The coaches moved him to LG because he isn't the prototypical LT and Wand was an intriguing option. I'm not ready to say Wand won't turn into a good LT, but Pitts already was becoming one. There were times in 2003 that he made the rushing ends just look silly. Also consider that Piits is really a project himself, having never really played much organized football. I think he's a very quick study, has always displayed a positive attitude, and I like his work ethic and desire to improve wherever they put him.

ATX
06-21-2005, 02:15 PM
Alot of people discount Pitts' skills as a LT, but if the Oline is stinking it up early in the season, I'd expect us to move him back to LT, and try and draft one next year. it's either that or put riley in at LT. personally, i'd rather have Pitts at LT.

vtech9
06-21-2005, 09:32 PM
Alot of people discount Pitts' skills as a LT, but if the Oline is stinking it up early in the season, I'd expect us to move him back to LT, and try and draft one next year. it's either that or put riley in at LT. personally, i'd rather have Pitts at LT.
personally, I'd rather see Wand at LT. I would prefer that the only change to the O-line is a change of personnel at the center position with McKinney going to the bench. Other than McKinney going to the bench, I would rather see the line remain the way it was last season.

Big B Texan Fan
06-21-2005, 11:58 PM
personally, I'd rather see Wand at LT. I would prefer that the only change to the O-line is a change of personnel at the center position with McKinney going to the bench. Other than McKinney going to the bench, I would rather see the line remain the way it was last season.
Who would you put @ C. Please elaborate on your choice so we can all understand you position.

vtech9
06-22-2005, 09:16 AM
Who would you put @ C. Please elaborate on your choice so we can all understand you position.
Honestly, I wish I knew who would be best to replace McKinney. I'm not there watching practices. I'm not watching all of the films to see who would be good to bring in either. All I know is that I remember several times last season watching McKinney getting shoved back into Carr's face and forcing him out of the pocket into a waiting DE or LB. Did McKinney get credit for giving up the sack? He was the direct cause of the sack, but no, he wasn't credited with giving up the sack. IMHO, he is the "Weakest Link" on the O-line, and I would love to say "Good Bye" to him. Who do we get to replace him? I wish I knew.

ATX
06-22-2005, 11:20 AM
Yes, I want Wand to start and do well at LT, but if he isn't getting the job done and the line is sucking, there's gonna be some changes on the line. If this is the case, does mckinney slide over to play LG, Pitts to LT? but then i'd wonder who would play center. hogden, probably not. washington, Don't know, seems old and slow. are there any other lineman on the team that can play center? the other option would be to replace wand with riley if wand isn't playing well.

Doug
06-22-2005, 02:47 PM
Maybe if we move McKinney somewhere besides Center he'll do better. That multi tasking is killing him (Hike the ball, then block). Maybe if all he has to be concerned with is blocking he'll do a better job. LOL

TommyS
06-22-2005, 02:51 PM
the other option would be to replace wand with riley if wand isn't playing well.

please dont let riley be our left tackle...PLEEEEEEEASE NOOOOO! :crying:

Big B Texan Fan
06-22-2005, 02:54 PM
They tinkered with him @ G in these mini-camps. Remember when they toyed around with Wong @ ILB in last years mini-camps? Where are the ILB's from last years team now? Hmmmmmmmmm.

TEXANRED
06-22-2005, 03:14 PM
For the first time i can look at a Texan schedule and honestly say that there is not a team on their that they cannot beat. So this one is a little difficult.

So lets do the math of averages. Each year I predict what our final record is going to be and i am pethetically wrong. The first year I said 8-8(4-12) The second year I predicted 9-7(5-11) Last year I went out on a limb and said
11-5(7-9) So I have been wrong by the average of four games. So lets say we go 16-0(with the schedule we have its possible :homer: )and then subtract the games that I have been wrong by(4) and so now my prediction will be 12-4. Yep 12-4.

Yes sir......12-4 :penguin:

TEXANRED
06-22-2005, 03:17 PM
oh crap i just responded to the wrong thred. sorry. Ha

throwANDREtheBALL
06-22-2005, 03:27 PM
quote from Doug,

"Maybe if we move McKinney somewhere besides Center he'll do better. That multi tasking is killing him (Hike the ball, then block)."

hahhahahahhahaa

I was laughing for 2 straight minutes, tears came to my eyes......that's gold....pure gold.

Thanks for the laugh

hhahahahaha.......Hike the ball, then block.........hahahhhaha.........too much.

:homer: Its funny cuz its true.

NoBullTexan
06-22-2005, 05:00 PM
If the Texans are to fall back on Washington as the OC, we are in more trouble than I thought. He is a decent run blocker, but he doesn't have the quickness needed to be an effective pass blocker
I agree McKinney dogged it last year, however he does have potential. Hurry up and learn the position Hodgdon.

F-minus67
06-24-2005, 12:21 PM
Does anyone know how did McKinney play as a guard at Indy? If memory serves me he was a starter when Edge lead the league in rushing his first two years.