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drs23
10-07-2013, 07:45 PM
I thought he had a mouse in his pocket.




Whether they are or not, we're going to start hearing about them.

I thought it was a turd the way it smelled.

My bad.

Brisco_County
10-07-2013, 08:32 PM
Schaub's QB rating for the last 4 games: 76.6 / 72.8 / 81.6 / 32.2

Schaub's pass completion % against 49ers: 54.2 (19/35)

You had said before that the tendon in the repaired foot becomes inflamed and painful like tendonitis after prolonged use. You had also said that the only remedy for this is rest. I'm thinking that after Schaub had one poor performance, he practiced extra hard to rebound and rebuild confidence, and he didn't allow time for his foot to rest. This affected him in the next game, which was a disaster, so he worked extra hard again, and just compounded the problem. By trying to work through it, his accuracy and confidence degrade each week. He's grinding the gears and becoming a psychological wreck.

CloakNNNdagger
10-07-2013, 08:58 PM
You had said before that the tendon in the repaired foot becomes inflamed and painful like tendonitis after prolonged use. You had also said that the only remedy for this is rest. I'm thinking that after Schaub had one poor performance, he practiced extra hard to rebound and rebuild confidence, and he didn't allow time for his foot to rest. This affected him in the next game, which was a disaster, so he worked extra hard again, and just compounded the problem. By trying to work through it, his accuracy and confidence degrade each week. He's grinding the gears and becoming a psychological wreck.

Except for the foot structure affected being ligament (and arthritic bone) rather than tendon, resulting discomfort and stiffness leading to abnormal mechanics is the progression that would be expected........improved to some extent with rest.........and easily aggravated with return to traumatic activity.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-07-2013, 10:29 PM
Matt Schaub has finally made it big. I present to you... Schaubing!


http://distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws.com/a725fc502ef511e394a422000a1f9874_7.jpg


http://distilleryimage9.s3.amazonaws.com/172881382ef811e3ab6722000a1fb853_7.jpg

DocBar
10-07-2013, 10:47 PM
Matt Schaub has finally made it big. I present to you... Schaubing!


http://distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws.com/a725fc502ef511e394a422000a1f9874_7.jpg


http://distilleryimage9.s3.amazonaws.com/172881382ef811e3ab6722000a1fb853_7.jpgDamn I got a good laugh out of that!!!! Rep your way!!!! Freaking hilarious even if it's sad but true.

Lucky
10-07-2013, 10:54 PM
What Qb after starting his career as a back up, being traded to another team, starting and enjoying success, then being benched after throwing 4 straight pick 6's, went on to post-season success and Super Bowl glory?
I don't know. Were you going to tell us?

DocBar
10-07-2013, 10:55 PM
Also... posted this in the NFL section of the board, but here it is again.

Matt Flynn's been released.




http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24045805/report-raiders-release-qb-matt-flynn


Do we give him a call?So we can go all Schaub v2.0? I don't think so. Haven't we seen enough of back up QB's with a couple of good games wasting a butt ton of talent on both sides of the ball? sigh.....

Brisco_County
10-07-2013, 11:10 PM
Except for the foot structure affected being ligament (and arthritic bone) rather than tendon, resulting discomfort and stiffness leading to abnormal mechanics is the progression that would be expected........improved to some extent with rest.........and easily aggravated with return to traumatic activity.

Do you think this is the root cause of his decline? It would make sense if the timeframe began after the Detroit game last season, where he was getting beat up by Suh and had to play into overtime. That's when the losing streak started.

TexansFight
10-07-2013, 11:12 PM
I admit, I am jealous watching team after team with young, talented, mobile QBs. Geno Smith tonight look great. He took OWNERSHIP of his mistakes last week (pathetic Schaub can learn). I want a shiny, young QB prospect. We have a dinosaur of a QB with an antiquated offense.

DocBar
10-07-2013, 11:16 PM
What Qb after starting his career as a back up, being traded to another team, starting and enjoying success, then being benched after throwing 4 straight pick 6's, went on to post-season success and Super Bowl glory?Well, considering that Schaub is the owner of that little jewel of a record, I'd have to say nobody. I would go so far as to cite one of my favorite Western's, but Schaub is armed with a .25 in a league full of .45's. Ah hell, maybe some of y'all will enjoy a good ole Spaghetti Western.

My Name is Nobody (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNOn63T56dg)

Brisco_County
10-07-2013, 11:16 PM
How do we continue a conversation on this without it being another Schaub thread?

And Schaub has never deflected ownership of his mistakes.

TexansFight
10-07-2013, 11:22 PM
How do we continue a conversation on this without it being another Schaub thread?

And Schaub has never deflected ownership of his mistakes.

REALLY??? He kept using "we" this or that. he never said "I screwed up" or "I need to play better". If he starts on Sunday, I will be in my seat at Reliant BOOING his ass all game long. In fact, I want to bring my Schaub jersey and torch it in the parking lot.

DocBar
10-07-2013, 11:34 PM
I admit, I am jealous watching team after team with young, talented, mobile QBs. Geno Smith tonight look great. He took OWNERSHIP of his mistakes last week (pathetic Schaub can learn). I want a shiny, young QB prospect. We have a dinosaur of a QB with an antiquated offense.This will almost automatically put a team, in it's prime, into rebuilding mode. More shiny, young QB prospect's end up cratering than succeeding. I'm much more concerned with seeing what we have behind Schaub now than gambling on a draft prospect.

If Kubiak sticks with Schaub, I can very easily see McNair firing him and then we get to that rebuilding mode again. What are the chances of the Texans having the players that fit the new regime's schemes? Actually, I can see Wade Phillips getting the shot as HC, so there might be hope. Especially if he could get Kyle Shannahan back. Our O kicked ass with him as OC. Not likely, but it could happen.

I wonder what the chances of resigning Watt are if the Texans stay the course they are on now. He could sign with any team in the league and get the pay day he deserves. I doubt he'll give Houston much thought if they keep running the same loser out week after week because the HC is a stubborn fuktard.

Brisco_County
10-07-2013, 11:36 PM
REALLY??? He kept using "we" this or that. he never said "I screwed up" or "I need to play better". If he starts on Sunday, I will be in my seat at Reliant BOOING his ass all game long. In fact, I want to bring my Schaub jersey and torch it in the parking lot.

At least you're taking the rational approach.

eriadoc
10-07-2013, 11:46 PM
And Schaub has never deflected ownership of his mistakes.

Well, he does seem to be challenged in the use of pronouns.

DX-TEX
10-07-2013, 11:57 PM
REALLY??? He kept using "we" this or that. he never said "I screwed up" or "I need to play better". If he starts on Sunday, I will be in my seat at Reliant BOOING his ass all game long. In fact, I want to bring my Schaub jersey and torch it in the parking lot.

I heard those interviews today and I raged afterwards. There is no "we" here. Its YOU and your father. Nutless and noodle arm.

Yesterday
10-08-2013, 09:52 AM
Not sure if this has been posted, but this stat explains everything:

INTs Reducing Win Probability By 20+ Pct.
QB INTs Att. Pct.
Matt Schaub 14 2,585 0.54
Mark Sanchez 9 1,867 0.48
Carson Palmer 9 2,254 0.40
Tony Romo 9 2,571 0.35
Philip Rivers 9 2,805 0.32
Drew Brees 9 3,335 0.27
Chad Henne 8 1,468 0.54
Kyle Orton 8 1,766 0.32
Jay Cutler 8 2,532 0.32
Eli Manning 8 2,855 0.28
Stats cover 2008 to present


That's since '08. Game manager? Not even. If the guy hardly ever threw an INT, I could potential overlook his league-worst arm strength, league-worst mobility, and league-worst pocket presence. But he is literally losing games for us. Doesn't elevate his game for prime-time contests or playoffs. Makes mistakes at critical moments. LOSER.

After watching Geno Smith last night, I'd much rather have him...and that's saying something...

Mr teX
10-08-2013, 10:25 AM
Not sure if this has been posted, but this stat explains everything:

INTs Reducing Win Probability By 20+ Pct.
QB INTs Att. Pct.
Matt Schaub 14 2,585 0.54
Mark Sanchez 9 1,867 0.48
Carson Palmer 9 2,254 0.40
Tony Romo 9 2,571 0.35
Philip Rivers 9 2,805 0.32
Drew Brees 9 3,335 0.27
Chad Henne 8 1,468 0.54
Kyle Orton 8 1,766 0.32
Jay Cutler 8 2,532 0.32
Eli Manning 8 2,855 0.28
Stats cover 2008 to present


That's since '08. Game manager? Not even. If the guy hardly ever threw an INT, I could potential overlook his league-worst arm strength, league-worst mobility, and league-worst pocket presence. But he is literally losing games for us. Doesn't elevate his game for prime-time contests or playoffs. Makes mistakes at critical moments. LOSER.

After watching Geno Smith last night, I'd much rather have him...and that's saying something...

list is invalidated simply b/c you've got 2 guys on there who've won 3 total SB's...1 of those guys won a SB since 2008...Another thing is i think we'd all like to have at least 3 of the guys on that list over Schaub....some might even take 4 at this point.

CloakNNNdagger
10-08-2013, 12:26 PM
Do you think this is the root cause of his decline? It would make sense if the timeframe began after the Detroit game last season, where he was getting beat up by Suh and had to play into overtime. That's when the losing streak started.

Yes. When an athlete (in this case a QB) loses his mechanics, especially with a foot problem of any sort, it changes not only how he plays, but how he THINKS. His play options and variety of plays carried out are distinctly narrowed, and the resulting patterns become increasingly set and more and more evident until in time they no longer go unnoticed. Just the opposite......they become extremely predictable to most observers. But because the underlying limitations don’t allow for the opening of any new doors, SELF-CONFIDENCE (no matter what you may hear) is quickly eroded bringing with it its own limitations. And so begins a vicious cycle leading to a uncontrollable downward spiral.

b0ng
10-08-2013, 01:32 PM
Yes. When an athlete (in this case a QB) loses his mechanics, especially with a foot problem of any sort, it changes not only how he plays, but how he THINKS. His play options and variety of plays carried out are distinctly narrowed, and the resulting patterns become increasingly set and more and more evident until in time they no longer go unnoticed. Just the opposite......they become extremely predictable to most observers. But because the underlying limitations don’t allow for the opening of any new doors, SELF-CONFIDENCE (no matter what you may hear) is quickly eroded bringing with it its own limitations. And so begins a vicious cycle leading to a uncontrollable downward spiral.

You can also point out that Schaub has been pretty bad since he got kicked in the balls on national tv last thanksgiving and the stats would justify it just as much. So I guess, don't get kicked in the balls on Thanksgiving.

EDIT: STAAAAAAAATS:

Prior to kick: 10 games, 6 over 100 QBR, 2 under 60% completion %
Post kick: 12 games, 2 over 100 QBR, 4 under 60% completion %.
Schaub played perfectly fine for like the first 7 or 8 weeks of football last year, why no talk about this injury then (because it didn't fit the story)?

EDIT2: Who's to say that Schaub's problem isn't something like this:

DOWN!
SET!
please don't kick me in the balls
please don't kick me in the balls
please don't kick me in the balls
please don't kick me in the balls
HUT HUT!
please don't kick me in the balls PLEASE DON'T KICK ME IN THE BALLS HERE YOU CAN HAVE IT FINE WHATEVER

CloakNNNdagger
10-08-2013, 01:56 PM
You can also point out that Schaub has been pretty bad since he got kicked in the balls on national tv last thanksgiving and the stats would justify it just as much. So I guess, don't get kicked in the balls on Thanksgiving.

EDIT: STAAAAAAAATS:

Prior to kick: 10 games, 6 over 100 QBR, 2 under 60% completion %
Post kick: 12 games, 2 over 100 QBR, 4 under 60% completion %.
Schaub played perfectly fine for like the first 7 or 8 weeks of football last year, why no talk about this injury then (because it didn't fit the story)?

EDIT2: Who's to say that Schaub's problem isn't something like this:

DOWN!
SET!
please don't kick me in the balls
please don't kick me in the balls
please don't kick me in the balls
please don't kick me in the balls
HUT HUT!
please don't kick me in the balls PLEASE DON'T KICK ME IN THE BALLS HERE YOU CAN HAVE IT FINE WHATEVER

I appreciate the sarcasm very much. :tiphat:I guess you didn't pay much attention to the fact that a Lisfranc is a "wear down" injury. But feel free to keep on busting balls. Mine are pretty strong. They can take it.

Thorn
10-08-2013, 02:23 PM
http://i.qkme.me/3ue5zq.jpg

steelbtexan
10-08-2013, 05:10 PM
The Lisfranc is causing Schaub problems. C-N-D predicted this BEFORE BoB/Rick/Gary signed Matt to the extention.

Schaub is reminding me of a less talented Marino at the end of his career, after Marino tore his achilles tendon. Marino was a sitting duck and lost his once great arm strength. He couldn't throw the ball 50 yds the last yr of his career.

Marino's mind told him he could still fit the ball into tight spaces. But because of his injury to the achilles his body wouldn't let him fit the ball in consistently. This led to turnovers and drove Jimmy Johnson crazy. Feet/Achilles problems are death knells to a QB's career. The feet provide the base/balance for a QB's accuracy. Without it a QB is screwed. (Schaub)

Corrosion
10-08-2013, 06:07 PM
The Lisfranc is causing Schaub problems. C-N-D predicted this BEFORE BoB/Rick/Gary signed Matt to the extention.

Schaub is reminding me of a less talented Marino at the end of his career, after Marino tore his achilles tendon. Marino was a sitting duck and lost his once great arm strength. He couldn't throw the ball 50 yds the last yr of his career.

Marino's mind told him he could still fit the ball into tight spaces. But because of his injury to the achilles his body wouldn't let him fit the ball in consistently. This led to turnovers and drove Jimmy Johnson crazy. Feet/Achilles problems are death knells to a QB's career. The feet provide the base/balance for a QB's accuracy. Without it a QB is screwed. (Schaub)

Posted this in another thread but it probably belongs here ---

I rewatched the 49ers game last night along with some of last seasons early games when the team & Schaub were rolling.

The biggest difference between now and then is .... Velocity. That's why those plays that were once the bread and butter of this offense are failing. Schaub lacks the velocity to make even those simple throws.


What physically separates the good players from the mediocre and bad in this league is a very small margin - the difference I see in Schaub isn't very small but significant.

I truly believe that the combination of injuries Schaub has incurred over the course of his career is the biggest reason behind his poor play. Most notably the lisfranc which has severely affected his ability to plant / drive.


Schaub never had a big arm to begin with , now he's lost a significant amount of velocity and having his worst season to date. Go back and look for yourselves , the loss of velocity is pretty startling IMO ....


The bad news ? This season that started with such high expectations is likely going to end in disappointment ....


The good news ?! We'll finally see the Texans use their first significant draft choice on a QB since HWWNBM & if they get it right in a QB rich draft .... we should be set for the next decade at the position. This is a really rich draft for QB talent with up to ten taken in the first two rounds pending underclassmen declaring.

All of the following grade out somewhere between the 1's - 3rd rounds (depending upon who you listen to) *X* are underclassmen.

*Teddy Bridgewater*
*Marcus Mariota*
*Brett Hundley*
Tajh Boyd
*Johnny Manziel*
Zach Mettenberger
Derek Carr
Aaron Murray
Stephen Morris
A.J. McCarron
David Fales

The first five are projected at this time to be first round picks.


(Give me Boyd , Murray or Manziel in that order - pending this is the offense they run - We wont have a shot at Teddy Bridgewater who's the likely #1 overall)

klockWork
10-08-2013, 06:30 PM
Except for the foot structure affected being ligament (and arthritic bone) rather than tendon, resulting discomfort and stiffness leading to abnormal mechanics is the progression that would be expected........improved to some extent with rest.........and easily aggravated with return to traumatic activity.

What does his foot injury have to do with his recently surplus of ints? Those picks he threw are vision related. At this point he clearly can't distinguish corners squatting his route. He can't distinguish a clean pocket from a collapsing pocket. He don't have the patient to let deep routes developed.

On the contrary I have never seen Schaub in better physical shape as I have now. He looks quicker and more agile than ever before(that's saying a lot, I know). There were times in the pocket I thought for sure he'll get sack but spun away from it instead which I never saw from him. If his injury is still lingering there would have been a slight grimace in his face while walking around on the field. There would have been a little hobble here and there just by casually walking about. That's something you can't hide or fake. I know people with lisfranc injuries and that's what I see from them. I seen none of that signs from Schaub.

Right now Schaub is shell-shocked. He's 32 years old and the book is out on him. And the rest of the league are grabbing the prints while it's still hot off the press.

Corrosion
10-08-2013, 07:08 PM
What does his foot injury have to do with his recently surplus of ints?


Velocity - if he has the velocity he's had over the rest of his time as a Texan , those likely aren't INT's ..... Now he lacks the ability to plant and loses velocity , those same passes are now INT's.


Cause & effect.

thunderkyss
10-08-2013, 07:13 PM
What does his foot injury have to do with his recently surplus of ints? Those picks he threw are vision related. At this point he clearly can't distinguish corners squatting his route. He can't distinguish a clean pocket from a collapsing pocket. He don't have the patient to let deep routes developed.


The first part of fixing anything is correctly identifying the problem. The first INT, intended for Andre, the DB was not squatting on that route, he was covering another receiver on a "parallel" route. When Hopkins made his break, the corner looked for the ball. Saw it was going to Andre & jumped his route.

The second Int, also intended for Andre, the DB was giving Andre a generous cushion. He kept Andre & the QB in front of him. When Matt threw the ball, he jumped the route.

When the big guy plucked the ball out of the air, he wasn't squatting on a route, he was reading the QB.

Matt's delivery from decision to throw just took too long. I don't know if that's always been the case, but Sunday it looked like he was being doubly sure he was seeing what he wanted to see.

I don't think Schaub has lost confidence in himself, maybe he lost confidence in his teammates. His OL, his receivers. Both balls thrown to Andre should have been thrown sooner. The one to Graham... inexplicable.

The jumpball he threw to DeAndre was a little too far, DeAndre had to get a little advantage. The jumpball he threw to Andre, way too far.

CloakNNNdagger
10-08-2013, 07:28 PM
What does his foot injury have to do with his recently surplus of ints? Those picks he threw are vision related. At this point he clearly can't distinguish corners squatting his route. He can't distinguish a clean pocket from a collapsing pocket. He don't have the patient to let deep routes developed.

On the contrary I have never seen Schaub in better physical shape as I have now. He looks quicker and more agile than ever before(that's saying a lot, I know). There were times in the pocket I thought for sure he'll get sack but spun away from it instead which I never saw from him. If his injury is still lingering there would have been a slight grimace in his face while walking around on the field. There would have been a little hobble here and there just by casually walking about. That's something you can't hide or fake. I know people with lisfranc injuries and that's what I see from them. I seen none of that signs from Schaub.

Right now Schaub is shell-shocked. He's 32 years old and the book is out on him. And the rest of the league are grabbing the prints while it's still hot off the press.


You, as others, are definitely entitled to your opinion. If you followed my posts over the past 2 years, you might not be trying to invalidate the Lisfranc as a major factor in his decline. But I certainly can't argue with someone who "knows" people with Lisfranc injuries.....and you know that all the different types of Lisfrancs present the same challenges for everyone. I'll have to go back to the countless patients I been involved with in the care of this injury, and tell them to learn to limp so they can prove that their Lisfranc is responsible for their subsequent functional limitations and athletic deficiencies.


BTW, Corrosion evidently does get it.

bOODRO87
10-08-2013, 07:33 PM
The entire city hates him and want him replaced, fans were burning his jersey, the media is ripping him, and he set the record for pick 6s and you dont think he has lost confidence?

have you seen his body language?

its all bad and it shows the look of a defeated man who has zero confidence in himself.

You really need to stop pretending you're not a fan of his. Its just shameless right now.

I have to agree. His body language was/is awful. He hangs his head down coming back to the sideline. Can anyone say he acts like a winner with a straight face?

Schaub has cracked. It's all downhill from here. I SEVERELY doubt we make the playoffs.

You can quote me on that, bia.

Vinny
10-08-2013, 07:45 PM
my voice is being silenced right now as i cant see my posts if i log out. i can only see them if im logged in if not, they disappear from the threads.
stick to football and stop whining so much about the forum and you will be fine...if not, I'll cut this place down to football talk as I see it. No more subtle hints from me.

JCTexan
10-08-2013, 07:49 PM
The first part of fixing anything is correctly identifying the problem. The first INT, intended for Andre, the DB was not squatting on that route, he was covering another receiver on a "parallel" route. When Hopkins made his break, the corner looked for the ball. Saw it was going to Andre & jumped his route.

The second Int, also intended for Andre, the DB was giving Andre a generous cushion. He kept Andre & the QB in front of him. When Matt threw the ball, he jumped the route.

When the big guy plucked the ball out of the air, he wasn't squatting on a route, he was reading the QB.

Matt's delivery from decision to throw just took too long. I don't know if that's always been the case, but Sunday it looked like he was being doubly sure he was seeing what he wanted to see.

I don't think Schaub has lost confidence in himself, maybe he lost confidence in his teammates. His OL, his receivers. Both balls thrown to Andre should have been thrown sooner. The one to Graham... inexplicable.

The jumpball he threw to DeAndre was a little too far, DeAndre had to get a little advantage. The jumpball he threw to Andre, way too far.

That is what the stem of his problems are (IMO). Schaub has lost confidence in himself and he's trying to be too sure with his passes, which is leading to him hesitating and staring down his receivers. When you do that NFL DB's can easily read it and jump the route.

Corrosion
10-08-2013, 07:53 PM
velocity is not his biggest problem. its his accuracy and decision making. schaub never really had arm strength. his accuracy (especially ball placement) and decision making is what's killing him.

Its his velocity that's making his decision making and accuracy - the two things he's done well over the course of his career .... look poor.


Then again ,I wouldn't expect someone who only comes here to argue to comprehend or understand.


When he had greater velocity he could make the throws he's getting picked on today ....


Come on Breh ... go watch the tapes.

klockWork
10-08-2013, 08:26 PM
Velocity - if he has the velocity he's had over the rest of his time as a Texan , those likely aren't INT's ..... Now he lacks the ability to plant and loses velocity , those same passes are now INT's.


Cause & effect.

I'm not buying it. If he can't plant and throw properly then those things would show up in practices. Every coaching staff and players would've taken notices. Andre would have noticed a delay in catching the ball. This is a billion dollar business and if there is fatal flaw in the QB mechanics and no one notice it then someone not doing their job.

Kubiak, whether anyone think he's a bad coach or not, there is one thing he knows and will always knows is the QB position. Being a former QB and QB coach there's no way Gary will not notice his starting QB is having issues with his planting foot.

Schaub not planting and throwing off his back foot are correlated to pocket-precense & awareness. When he's throwing the ball he clearly is unaware of throwing space he has in front of him so he ease off on his planting foot not wanting to get hit by a rusher. That is a symptoms of a QB whose lost it in the head.

thunderkyss
10-08-2013, 08:48 PM
I'm not buying it. If he can't plant and throw properly then those things would show up in practices. Every coaching staff and players would've taken notices. Andre would have noticed a delay in catching the ball. This is a billion dollar business and if there is fatal flaw in the QB mechanics and no one notice it then someone not doing their job.



I agree with this much of your post. If there's a problem with Matt physically, where he just can't do what he used to be able to do, there's no way Kubiak doesn't know. & if he knows, there's no way he'd have stuck with him through 5 games this year. Three of which he performed pretty badly, 4 he threw a pick six in. 9 INTs in 5 games, "I love ya man, but you're sitting out this week & next."

Like he said, he's got a responsibility to the entire team & I don't think he takes that lightly.

Rey
10-08-2013, 10:09 PM
So some people went to Schaub's house and threatened him. He called nfl security.

That's what I don't like.

chicagotexan2
10-08-2013, 10:21 PM
Velocity - if he has the velocity he's had over the rest of his time as a Texan , those likely aren't INT's ..... Now he lacks the ability to plant and loses velocity , those same passes are now INT's.


Cause & effect.

The pick six against SF was a short pass that had an arc. It was clearly not a pass with much velocity as it should have been. This guy is not right and the few attributes he had are gone.

steelbtexan
10-08-2013, 11:14 PM
I'm not buying it. If he can't plant and throw properly then those things would show up in practices. Every coaching staff and players would've taken notices. Andre would have noticed a delay in catching the ball. This is a billion dollar business and if there is fatal flaw in the QB mechanics and no one notice it then someone not doing their job.

Kubiak, whether anyone think he's a bad coach or not, there is one thing he knows and will always knows is the QB position. Being a former QB and QB coach there's no way Gary will not notice his starting QB is having issues with his planting foot.

Schaub not planting and throwing off his back foot are correlated to pocket-precense & awareness. When he's throwing the ball he clearly is unaware of throwing space he has in front of him so he ease off on his planting foot not wanting to get hit by a rusher. That is a symptoms of a QB whose lost it in the head.

Yeah that's it, Corrosion needs to learn more about Gary's understanding of QB's. (Sarcasm/////)

Corrosion
10-08-2013, 11:36 PM
So some people went to Schaub's house and threatened him. He called nfl security.

That's what I don't like.

I'd like to kick them in the balls for being asshats .



Schaub may not be playing well .... but there is no one who works harder.



Jerkoffs! Need to learn where to draw the line (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0LqzhOyzIM)..... There's a bunch of @$$holes in this part of the building!

waynegg
10-09-2013, 02:40 AM
Schaub may not be playing well .... but there is no one who works harder.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DWpkdRnQY84&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DDWpkdRnQY84

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pa0SFtmS--c&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dpa0SFtmS--c

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y-JpSLiMqEs&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dy-JpSLiMqEs

thunderkyss
10-09-2013, 07:24 AM
Schaub may not be playing well .... but there is no one who works harder.




Whether or not that is true, this is a game. A game that none of us are participants in. I can understand if we were in highschool & we were on the team. Sock party, blanket party..... I can see it. Don't agree with it, but (ok that's a lie. I'd probably be in on it.)

But this is a game & we're spectators. It's childish, irrational, & misplaced.

Pantherstang84
10-09-2013, 10:11 AM
So some people went to Schaub's house and threatened him. He called nfl security.

That's what I don't like.

A man's home and family are way out of bounds.. Schaub should have put a bullet in their asses and he would have been justified.

DX-TEX
10-09-2013, 11:08 AM
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/10/08/watt-to-the-fans-were-going-to-find-a-way-stick-with-us/

SportsRadio 610 asked, “J.J. do you have 100% confidence in Matt Schaub?”

“I have 100% confidence in the football team,” Watt responded. “I go out there every single day, I go to work and we do everything we can to win football games.”


Hmmmmm....

chenjy9
10-09-2013, 11:45 AM
I really hope that when we play the Rams and if Schaub is (God forbid) still the starter that when he creeps out of the tunnel that every single fan in the stadium stands out and boos him as loudly as they can. Since Schaub won't bench him, maybe we can completely break him down mentally and run him out of town. It is either that or wait for him to get injured since there is no other way Kubes will bench him. Both of them disgust me...

Dread-Head
10-09-2013, 11:48 AM
So some people went to Schaub's house and threatened him. He called nfl security.

That's what I don't like.

Okay. The man is having a bad season. You don't go to a man's house and threaten his family. That's WRONG!

dream_team
10-09-2013, 11:51 AM
I really hope that when we play the Rams and if Schaub is (God forbid) still the starter that when he creeps out of the tunnel that every single fan in the stadium stands out and boos him as loudly as they can. Since Schaub won't bench him, maybe we can completely break him down mentally and run him out of town. It is either that or wait for him to get injured since there is no other way Kubes will bench him. Both of them disgust me...

I don't see any good to come out of this. Why wish ill-will on people?

thunderkyss
10-09-2013, 11:52 AM
I really hope that when we play the Rams and if Schaub is (God forbid) still the starter that when he creeps out of the tunnel that every single fan in the stadium stands out and boos him as loudly as they can. Since Schaub won't bench him, maybe we can completely break him down mentally and run him out of town. It is either that or wait for him to get injured since there is no other way Kubes will bench him. Both of them disgust me...

See this is the kind of "lip service" I was talking about. Chenjy9 probably thinks he is a great fan. But he wants to boo Schaub, not to express his displeasure in the current state of the team, but to mentally break down the most important player on the roster, then run him out of town.

"I support ya..... but get the fk out of here!!!"


:ok:

deucetx
10-09-2013, 11:56 AM
I really hope that when we play the Rams and if Schaub is (God forbid) still the starter that when he creeps out of the tunnel that every single fan in the stadium stands out and boos him as loudly as they can. Since Schaub won't bench him, maybe we can completely break him down mentally and run him out of town. It is either that or wait for him to get injured since there is no other way Kubes will bench him. Both of them disgust me...

I'm all for benching Schaub. It would be good for the team and him honestly. At the same time he doesn't deserve the boos. If he plays crappy in the game (which I doubt) then by all means. But before the game? No. Let him play the game and see how he performs. We are frustrated and upset with how he played this season but this is a new week, new game. If he's starting then support him and react off he does this week. No one deserves to be booed just for stepping on the field.

Exascor
10-09-2013, 11:58 AM
I really hope that when we play the Rams and if Schaub is (God forbid) still the starter that when he creeps out of the tunnel that every single fan in the stadium stands out and boos him as loudly as they can. Since Schaub won't bench him, maybe we can completely break him down mentally and run him out of town. It is either that or wait for him to get injured since there is no other way Kubes will bench him. Both of them disgust me...

I hope if Schaub starts, he'll have a career game and get his (and the teams) confidence back. He may not be my first choice but if he plays, he'll get my support.

Thorn
10-09-2013, 12:15 PM
I hope if Schaub starts, he'll have a career game and get his (and the teams) confidence back. He may not be my first choice but if he plays, he'll get my support.

At the start of each and every game, I'll be cheering on them all, no matter who they are or in what position.

By the end of the game I might be jeering instead of cheering some of them. That's just the way it is.

Hervoyel
10-09-2013, 12:28 PM
I really hope that when we play the Rams and if Schaub is (God forbid) still the starter that when he creeps out of the tunnel that every single fan in the stadium stands out and boos him as loudly as they can. Since Schaub won't bench him, maybe we can completely break him down mentally and run him out of town. It is either that or wait for him to get injured since there is no other way Kubes will bench him. Both of them disgust me...

Disgusting sentiment.

chenjy9
10-09-2013, 01:01 PM
I don't see any good to come out of this. Why wish ill-will on people?

If Schaub breaks down completely or gets injured he does not play. How can that possibly NOT be a bad thing? I am not wishing ill-will. I am still hoping Kubes sees the light of day and benches this scrub. You know what happens when the rest of us performs as poorly at our jobs? We get fired! There is such a thing in this world called ACCOUNTABILITY.

Disgusting sentiment.
See this is the kind of "lip service" I was talking about. Chenjy9 probably thinks he is a great fan. But he wants to boo Schaub, not to express his displeasure in the current state of the team, but to mentally break down the most important player on the roster, then run him out of town.

"I support ya..... but get the fk out of here!!!"

:ok:

Get off your high horses. I know I am a great fan because I care about the team and stayed with the team through the Carr years all the way to now, even through the multiple blunders committed by various aspects of the organization. I also own a Watt jersey and Andre jersey as well as other various Texans gear. Don't come trying to talk to me about good fans or bad fans. I support the TEAM and not the name on the back of the jersey. It is because I AM a GOOD fan of the Texans that I do want Schaub to be benched first and foremost. If that is not available, I will gladly take injury or complete breakdown. I will take ANYTHING at this point in time to get Schaub off the field. I don't really care how it happens anymore. Also, Schaub is not the most important player on our team. He simply plays the most important position and does so quite poorly. There is a huge difference. Your remark is also quite off the base. Again, I support the TEAM, just not Schaub whom I want OFF the team for the BETTERMENT of the team. If you can't understand that, then there is no point in talking with either of you 2 further.

I'm all for benching Schaub. It would be good for the team and him honestly. At the same time he doesn't deserve the boos. If he plays crappy in the game (which I doubt) then by all means. But before the game? No. Let him play the game and see how he performs. We are frustrated and upset with how he played this season but this is a new week, new game. If he's starting then support him and react off he does this week. No one deserves to be booed just for stepping on the field.

How does he NOT deserve the boos? At the very least, he deserves the NFL's equivalent of demotion or firing (benched or cut/traded). Since his employee is a bigger pig head than he is, we are forced to rely on things within the right/control of fans, to boo him and let him know he is not performing at any acceptable level. It is not another week or another game. This is a TREND going all the way back to last season. Schaub is not a good QB anymore. He may still flash some glimpses of what he did when he was still pretty good, but those days are long gone.

Again, I am not actively hoping he gets injured or mentally breaks down. I would much rather he gets benched/cut/traded first but it seems increasingly unlikely to happen at this point in time with Kubes manning the ship. I have a feeling he will guide it into rocks being changing QB's or being forced to.

Hervoyel
10-09-2013, 02:33 PM
And just like that with a click of the ignore button another insufferable butthole vanishes into the internet-ether!

What an amazingly useful feature this is!

Hervoyel
10-09-2013, 03:55 PM
you know you are gonna read it.

you know you are.

People who hate dissenting opinions and put people on ignore are the first ones to read the ignored post.

You read it then you go back to pretending to marginalize the person but you couldnt wait to read what he wrote.

Typical human being behavior. People hate rush limbaugh but cant wait to see or read what he said.


Oh no, you don't know me very well at all. I got people on ignore from when David Carr was still tricking people into thinking he had potential and they stay there.

Say hi to them for me ok :)

klockWork
10-09-2013, 04:17 PM
Oh no, you don't know me very well at all. I got people on ignore from when David Carr was still tricking people into thinking he had potential and they stay there.

Say hi to them for me ok :)

Who?!! Who are these people you speak of? I want names so I don't waste my time rationalizing with those people. I won't ignore them but I will laugh secretly at all their posts from now on.

disaacks3
10-09-2013, 04:22 PM
See this is the kind of "lip service" I was talking about. Chenjy9 probably thinks he is a great fan. But he wants to boo Schaub, not to express his displeasure in the current state of the team, but to mentally break down the most important player on the roster, then run him out of town.

"I support ya..... but get the fk out of here!!!"


:ok:

I'm all for benching Schaub. It would be good for the team and him honestly. At the same time he doesn't deserve the boos. If he plays crappy in the game (which I doubt) then by all means. But before the game? No. Let him play the game and see how he performs. We are frustrated and upset with how he played this season but this is a new week, new game. If he's starting then support him and react off he does this week. No one deserves to be booed just for stepping on the field.

Disgusting sentiment.

I hate to disappoint you guys, but his feeling isn't that far from the norm. If the Texans make the (poor) choice of announcing offensive starters on Sunday, I'd wager 20%+ of the crowd will boo Schaub. It's certainly not my thing, but it's not way out on the fringe either.

deucetx
10-09-2013, 04:29 PM
How does he NOT deserve the boos? At the very least, he deserves the NFL's equivalent of demotion or firing (benched or cut/traded). Since his employee is a bigger pig head than he is, we are forced to rely on things within the right/control of fans, to boo him and let him know he is not performing at any acceptable level. It is not another week or another game. This is a TREND going all the way back to last season. Schaub is not a good QB anymore. He may still flash some glimpses of what he did when he was still pretty good, but those days are long gone.

Again, I am not actively hoping he gets injured or mentally breaks down. I would much rather he gets benched/cut/traded first but it seems increasingly unlikely to happen at this point in time with Kubes manning the ship. I have a feeling he will guide it into rocks being changing QB's or being forced to.

Because you are talking about boo'ing him immediately as he appears. How does that help the team? He's starting whether we like it or not so to support our team we need hope he doesn't play like crap again. How will boo'ing him help that effect? Do you really want to see us lose to the likes of the Rams? Not like they will hear the boos before the game starts and say 'Oh no throw in Yates!' So the effect will only be negative at that point and nothing to gain from it. If we need to release frustration that badly then before the game take your wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend, mistress or whatever and hit the bed. Best stress reliever in the world right there.

Now if he goes in there and continues to suck that's a different story. Boo birds errupt. But it shouldn't be a second before nor overboard like the childish name calling/threats some fans do (not saying you obviously). Give him support til he does something to lose it during the game otherwise we're hurting our team ourselves. That's not what a fanbase should do nor is it what homefield advantage is about. I'm pretty sure at this point he knows how everyone feels and that he is not playing up to par. He'd have to be Forrest Gump to not know at this point what is right in his face.

chenjy9
10-09-2013, 04:49 PM
Because you are talking about boo'ing him immediately as he appears. How does that help the team? He's starting whether we like it or not so to support our team we need hope he doesn't play like crap again. How will boo'ing him help that effect? Do you really want to see us lose to the likes of the Rams? Not like they will hear the boos before the game starts and say 'Oh no throw in Yates!' So the effect will only be negative at that point and nothing to gain from it. If we need to release frustration that badly then before the game take your wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend, mistress or whatever and hit the bed. Best stress reliever in the world right there.

Now if he goes in there and continues to suck that's a different story. Boo birds errupt. But it shouldn't be a second before nor overboard like the childish name calling/threats some fans do (not saying you obviously). Give him support til he does something to lose it during the game otherwise we're hurting our team ourselves. That's not what a fanbase should do nor is it what homefield advantage is about. I'm pretty sure at this point he knows how everyone feels and that he is not playing up to par. He'd have to be Forrest Gump to not know at this point what is right in his face.

If booing hurts Schaub's confidence enough that it forces him off the field, it is DEFINITELY going to help the team. The sooner he stops playing for the Texans as our starting QB, the sooner we have a chance to get better. Consider it like picketing in front of the White House or a corporation. Booing Schaub is the same thing to me. As a fan, I am also a customer to the Texans and when the "product" being marched out there is defective (MS is definitely defective), we reserve the right to protest.

TexansFight
10-09-2013, 04:55 PM
I really hope that when we play the Rams and if Schaub is (God forbid) still the starter that when he creeps out of the tunnel that every single fan in the stadium stands out and boos him as loudly as they can. Since Schaub won't bench him, maybe we can completely break him down mentally and run him out of town. It is either that or wait for him to get injured since there is no other way Kubes will bench him. Both of them disgust me...

Brother, I will be right there with you in Section 105. I plan on BOOING Schaub and Kubiak every chance I get on Sunday. In some ways, I am glad that Kubiak tied himself to the anchor that is Schaub. The Texans needs a cleansing fire. I can get onboard a crappy year that will lead to a new coach and a shiny, new QB prospect from the draft. Reload next year and ready to really kick ass.

thunderkyss
10-09-2013, 05:35 PM
I hate to disappoint you guys, but his feeling isn't that far from the norm. If the Texans make the (poor) choice of announcing offensive starters on Sunday, I'd wager 20%+ of the crowd will boo Schaub. It's certainly not my thing, but it's not way out on the fringe either.

That's not the point. I understand people who are frustrated that vocalize their opinions with a boo. That's football. I wouldn't do it (to my own team), but I understand. Schaub makes enough money to deal with it. If he can't deal with it I don't want him as my starting QB.

That guy I quoted said he wants to boo to break him down mentally & affect him to lose the game.

The game I want them to win. Hate the man, hate the player, hate the coach... but don't do anything with the intention to cause cause my team to lose.

chenjy9
10-09-2013, 06:36 PM
That's not the point. I understand people who are frustrated that vocalize their opinions with a boo. That's football. I wouldn't do it (to my own team), but I understand. Schaub makes enough money to deal with it. If he can't deal with it I don't want him as my starting QB.

That guy I quoted said he wants to boo to break him down mentally & affect him to lose the game.

The game I want them to win. Hate the man, hate the player, hate the coach... but don't do anything with the intention to cause cause my team to lose.

You need to work on your reading comprehension buddy. I don't want the team to lose. I want Schaub to GTFO of the field, preferably before he causes us to lose more games. If you were a REAL Texans fan (that's right, I am going to play the card you tried to use), then you will want him out too. You want to win right? :kitten:

steelbtexan
10-09-2013, 08:13 PM
That's not the point. I understand people who are frustrated that vocalize their opinions with a boo. That's football. I wouldn't do it (to my own team), but I understand. Schaub makes enough money to deal with it. If he can't deal with it I don't want him as my starting QB.

That guy I quoted said he wants to boo to break him down mentally & affect him to lose the game.

The game I want them to win. Hate the man, hate the player, hate the coach... but don't do anything with the intention to cause cause my team to lose.

This means your OK with Gary/Matt HC/QB for life.

If they lose to the Rams they likely will lose to K.C and Indy. That would be a 6 game losing streak and hopefully mean the end of the mediocrity that is the Kubiak/Schaub era.

thunderkyss
10-09-2013, 08:40 PM
This means your OK with Gary/Matt HC/QB for life.

If they lose to the Rams they likely will lose to K.C and Indy. That would be a 6 game losing streak and hopefully mean the end of the mediocrity that is the Kubiak/Schaub era.

I've got a different definition of mediocrity. Two time AFC South Champs.... two play-off game wins.

The division got tougher. If we win it this year, it's for real. I understand with the way we're playing right now, it's hard to see us finishing 13-3, but stranger things have happened.

This time last year Denver had lost to ATL, HOU, & NE. They beat Pittsburgh & Oakland. In our game against them we could tell there was something special there & in our game against Seattle..... we should know there's something special here. Like Denver, we need to get it together.

It's probably not going to look fancy or flashy or whatever, but we're going to win 12 games this year. We're going to win the division, & we'll probably win the AFC Championship.

TexansFight
10-09-2013, 09:33 PM
I've got a different definition of mediocrity. Two time AFC South Champs.... two play-off game wins.

The division got tougher. If we win it this year, it's for real. I understand with the way we're playing right now, it's hard to see us finishing 13-3, but stranger things have happened.

This time last year Denver had lost to ATL, HOU, & NE. They beat Pittsburgh & Oakland. In our game against them we could tell there was something special there & in our game against Seattle..... we should know there's something special here. Like Denver, we need to get it together.

It's probably not going to look fancy or flashy or whatever, but we're going to win 12 games this year. We're going to win the division, & we'll probably win the AFC Championship.

Seriously stop. You are trolling us with this BS. You can't possibly believe the **** you are saying.

Rey
10-09-2013, 10:28 PM
I've got a different definition of mediocrity. Two time AFC South Champs.... two play-off game wins.

The division got tougher. If we win it this year, it's for real. I understand with the way we're playing right now, it's hard to see us finishing 13-3, but stranger things have happened.

This time last year Denver had lost to ATL, HOU, & NE. They beat Pittsburgh & Oakland. In our game against them we could tell there was something special there & in our game against Seattle..... we should know there's something special here. Like Denver, we need to get it together.

It's probably not going to look fancy or flashy or whatever, but we're going to win 12 games this year. We're going to win the division, & we'll probably win the AFC Championship.

We're not winning 12 games this year. We'll struggle to get to 10.

thunderkyss
10-09-2013, 10:45 PM
Seriously stop. You are trolling us with this BS. You can't possibly believe the **** you are saying.

There is a big if in there. & it's about Matt Schaub getting his head out of his bum & into the game. If that happens, yes I definitely think we'll win 12 games.

Roadtrip635
10-10-2013, 12:35 AM
I was at a sports bar watching the baseball game and next to us was a Redskin and Cowboy fan arguing about the game this Sunday. The Redskin fan said that it didn't matter how points the Cowboys scored last week, that division games are always close and that "Romo would choke like he always does and throw a 'Schaub' ..."and the Redskins would win. They all started laughing.

I just thought, well that's great, he's thrown so many pick 6's they're just gonna name it after him..... Good Grief!


:kubepalm:

Trail.Blazr
10-10-2013, 06:19 AM
Oh no, you don't know me very well at all. I got people on ignore from when David Carr was still tricking people into thinking he had potential and they stay there.

Say hi to them for me ok :)

Ditto.

My forum world is a better place without Amazing80 in it. This ignore feature isn't for satisfaction, its for sanity. Once proven to be too intolerable, I could care less what continues to shoot out one's arse.

Trail.Blazr
10-10-2013, 06:25 AM
If booing hurts Schaub's confidence enough that it forces him off the field, it is DEFINITELY going to help the team. The sooner he stops playing for the Texans as our starting QB, the sooner we have a chance to get better. Consider it like picketing in front of the White House or a corporation. Booing Schaub is the same thing to me. As a fan, I am also a customer to the Texans and when the "product" being marched out there is defective (MS is definitely defective), we reserve the right to protest.

WOW. that's a leap of faith.

Personally, I am not anti-boo. If it makes YOU feel better, boo away. It's your voice, let it be heard. But I doubt Schaub takes himself out of the game as a result of being greeted with a boo. That's funny. Schaub's game might be MIA, but the man's got stones.

Trail.Blazr
10-10-2013, 06:48 AM
Just another thought, admittedly off topic a bit... I've always remembered(my
Army platoon leader at the time was a Braves fan) in 1991, Atlanta Braves pitcher John Smoltz started off with 2-10 record at the all-star break. Then after, went 11-3.

Baseball Pitcher - Football QB = Apples - Oranges.

However, it was a great turnaround story, which can be used to illustrate any potential hope as it relates to this thread. Let's just hope Schaub doesn't go 2-10 before turning it around ;-)

dream_team
10-10-2013, 07:25 AM
You need to work on your reading comprehension buddy. I don't want the team to lose. I want Schaub to GTFO of the field, preferably before he causes us to lose more games. If you were a REAL Texans fan (that's right, I am going to play the card you tried to use), then you will want him out too. You want to win right? :kitten:

If you're a real Texans fan, then you should want to win whether that's with or without Schaub playing.

HJam72
10-10-2013, 07:25 AM
Just another thought, admittedly off topic a bit... I've always remembered(my
Army platoon leader at the time was a Braves fan) in 1991, Atlanta Braves pitcher John Smoltz started off with 2-10 record at the all-star break. Then after, went 11-3.

Baseball Pitcher - Football QB = Apples - Oranges.

However, it was a great turnaround story, which can be used to illustrate any potential hope as it relates to this thread. Let's just hope Schaub doesn't go 2-10 before turning it around ;-)

So you're saying Schaub needs HGH injections?

Trail.Blazr
10-10-2013, 07:50 AM
So you're saying Schaub needs HGH injections?

LOL... that's another means of getting him out from under center ;-)

kingtexan
10-10-2013, 10:25 AM
Jenkins, Finnegan, Laurinaitis, or Ogletree?

I think it will happen again, just trying to decide who gets it.

DX-TEX
10-10-2013, 10:28 AM
In Reliant, covering Dre, Innegan.

The resulting meltdown from Texan fans would be a sight to behold.

Sigma
10-10-2013, 10:35 AM
Big man with the ball!!! (http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Big-Play-BJ-Raji-Pick-Six/055f15fd-9d25-4d1c-9a8c-8637784e6708)

so Kendall Langford would be a good guess

Double Barrel
10-10-2013, 10:40 AM
Nobody. The streak ends this week with a Texans victory. :texflag:

2012Champs
10-10-2013, 10:41 AM
Nobody. The streak ends this week with a Texans victory. :texflag:




There we go. Turn the corner and the glass is half full

dream_team
10-10-2013, 10:42 AM
Nobody. The streak ends this week with a Texans victory. :texflag:

Damn, you beat me to it!

Kgbmedic
10-10-2013, 10:44 AM
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7299/r6d.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/23/r6d.gif/)

pissknocker
10-10-2013, 10:53 AM
Nobody. The streak ends this week with a Texans victory. :texflag:

Hellyeah. And all the haters can suck one

Thorn
10-10-2013, 10:59 AM
Hellyeah. And all the haters can suck one

There is a huge difference between hate and disgust. Unless the season was actually over (playoffs wise), which it isn't, I can't imagine anyone here actually wishing for a loss this early.

Sigma
10-10-2013, 11:02 AM
Nobody. The streak ends this week with a Texans victory. :texflag:

This week at practise Schaub will throw at the defense, that way on sunday one of our WR can have the Pick 6.

Or they could try that JJ-Watt-lining-up-with-the-offense-idea from the probowl


:)

edwardc5637
10-10-2013, 11:07 AM
There will not be one this week #8 will get his game back together.

buddyboy
10-10-2013, 11:23 AM
There is a huge difference between hate and disgust. Unless the season was actually over (playoffs wise), which it isn't, I can't imagine anyone here actually wishing for a loss this early.

I've read several posts hoping for a Texan loss if Schaub is still starting.

StoneCldTAustin
10-10-2013, 11:27 AM
Being that Finnegan wont play, he is off the list......Do not be shocked if it is the man who last year had 4 defensive TDs in Mr.Jenkins

Thorn
10-10-2013, 11:28 AM
I've read several posts hoping for a Texan loss if Schaub is still starting.

In that another loss and pick 6 would help in sitting Schaub down, I totally agree. It's just I'm not quite to that point yet. Although I really want Schaub gone. So I can see someone's point if they feel that way, but I'm still going to hope they win.

Dread-Head
10-10-2013, 11:35 AM
So we're starting a pool now?

deucetx
10-10-2013, 11:36 AM
I'll call my shot. None will get a pick 6. None will even get a pick. The consecutive games with an int streak will break in this one. He'll toss for about 225 yards and a touchdown working behind the run game. Rams are worse against the run than the pass and we'll need playaction to slow down that stout pass rush they have. Kubes will go from the 'cut loose' to the 'tighten up' to help protect him and move us forward.

Uncle Rico
10-10-2013, 11:41 AM
Hellyeah. And all the haters can suck one

Lol, you just opened up a six pack of warm fuzzies around here.

DX-TEX
10-10-2013, 12:05 PM
Maybe its a trick question: What if there is more than ONE pick 6 this week?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu86/codddd_2009/Kramer.gif

Thorn
10-10-2013, 12:28 PM
so if schaub has a big bounce back game and we win,

is all forgiven? forgotten?

One good game does not erase what I believe to be happening to Schaub.

DX-TEX
10-10-2013, 12:31 PM
One good game does not erase what I believe to be happening to Schaub.

Yeah but I honestly believe in Garys mind it mean everything is a-ok!

2012Champs
10-10-2013, 12:48 PM
my concern is matt does enough to keep his job but doesnt do nearly enough to win in the playoffs (heck even get to the playoffs) and gets to stay on another year and its the same old song and dance for one more year.

Id rather take a chance and sacrifice this season and find out what we have in yates and keenum so we can make a strategic plan on drafting a qb with this upcoming class.

keeping schaub as starter just holds everything back.

-we dont get to find out what we have in yates and keenum
-we win enough to lose draft position to draft a possible game changer at qb in a potentially very good qb class
-we win but dont challenge seriously for the superbow
-we lose two more years trying to figure out what we have in yates and keenum

Find out now.




I love the thought of tucking tail 5 games in and tanking the season. What drive

Thorn
10-10-2013, 12:50 PM
I love the thought of tucking tail 5 games in and tanking the season. What drive

Our defense would have none of that. If the offense did that, they'd beat the crap out of our offense and run it themselves. LOL

2012Champs
10-10-2013, 01:26 PM
how can it be tucking tail when your qb replacement could be possibly better than your quarterback who is setting infamous qb records?

benching schaub could get everything we want. we could get improve qb play from what we are getting and we get to find out about yates or/and keenum.

TJ Yates in his rookie year with no preparation led this team as far as our 7 year starter has.

Just think about that.


It is folding, tucking tail. You are holding on to a powerball odds to hope you can retire thinking Case or Yates can come through.

As to your playoff stat line again its beyond a joke as Yates owes part of his playoff win to what Matt was able to do prior to going down. Think about that for a second


Now yates has had a full couple years under his belt and if he has any potential now would be a perfect time to find out. Schaub's play has warranted at least a look. Yates should do better now right?

If not, then he is what a lot of people thought he was, nothing more than another back up.

Ill tell you right now, did not like Yates answers to questions about schaub and his potential at starting.

Instead of exuding confidence in himself, he talked like a scared back up. He doesnt have the psyche of a starter.

I would have much rather hear him say "its the coaches decision but i believe in my ability, and if the coach called my number, im ready and i believe i can get a job done."

I would have much rather hear him say that than deferring to schaub and sounding like a back up.

I hope case doesnt answer that question like that.






I know you are waiting with the jergens for Case to get in there

drs23
10-10-2013, 01:34 PM
you know you are gonna read it.

you know you are.

1) People who hate dissenting opinions and put people on ignore are the first ones to read the ignored post.

2) You read it then you go back to pretending to marginalize the person but you couldnt wait to read what he wrote.

Typical human being behavior. 3) People hate rush limbaugh but cant wait to see or read what he said.

1) Wrong as you can be.

2) Wrong as you can be, again.

3) You could not be more wrong here if you got out of bed extra early to be wrong.

BullNation4Life
10-10-2013, 01:36 PM
Kirk Cousins from Washington...

He is young, mobile(more than the Texans have now) and pretty much knows this system due to the fact he is under Shannahan squared. Has a decent arm and height. Still under a rookie contract for another couple of years...

Could probably trade for him now or by the deadline and he could start immediately and could be a very good choice for the rest of the year and on....

What would you give to get him from Washington and if you are the Texans are you on the phone asking about him?

2012Champs
10-10-2013, 01:37 PM
and why would they give him up with RGIII getting tossed around?

htownfan32
10-10-2013, 01:37 PM
and why would they give him up with RGIII getting tossed around?

We can trade TJ Yates and Ben Tate.

2012Champs
10-10-2013, 01:38 PM
We can trade TJ Yates and Ben Tate.



and why would they trade for yates and give anything up for tate when tate is free to go at the end of the year? Yates would have to be on par with Kirk

BullNation4Life
10-10-2013, 01:39 PM
and why would they give him up with RGIII getting tossed around?

Don't know if they would but maybe dangle a could of 2's at them and they could pick up a Manziel or Boyd, if they are still there, this draft...

2012Champs
10-10-2013, 01:39 PM
Don't know if they would but maybe dangle a could of 2's at them and they could pick up a Manziel or Boyd, if they are still there, this draft...




you would be better off not moving yates and using those magical picks to pick up one of those guys if they are still there

BullNation4Life
10-10-2013, 01:40 PM
and why would they trade for yates and give anything up for tate when tate is free to go at the end of the year? Yates would have to be on par with Kirk

No I think Cousins would much better than Yates just from what I have seen from both...

BullNation4Life
10-10-2013, 01:41 PM
you would be better off not moving yates and using those magical picks to pick up one of those guys if they are still there

Neither one of those guys I mentioned are the type QB Kubiak likes, Cousins is...

Manziel and Boyd would fit better in Washington than the Texans just by the system alone. Do you really see Kubaik using Boyd or Manziel to their fullest potential, ie their running ability?

2012Champs
10-10-2013, 01:49 PM
how is it powerball odds? Yates in his rookie year staring down receivers, took over a 7-3 team and was able to get a playoff win vs the bengals. now imagine a yates who has had a full camp and years of experience. stand to reason it would be improved play. Certainly he stands a chance of doing better than throwing 4 pick 6s in a row.

Those are not powerball odds. As for case, we wont know unless we try.

People win the lottery all the time.


More people lose playing the lottery so saying people win on the time is pointless. It is lottery odds that Case could take this place by storm or develope into a SuperBowl Qb, same with Yates. Lets be clear on Yates as you seem to try and compare he and schaub's one playoff win means they are equal.


Yates took over an 7-3 when we were in game 11 and Matt II had given TJ a lead that would win the game. TJ was 2-3 as a starter in the regular season 3-4 total.




Interesting. Is that what you use when you try to sleep at night these last 4 weeks in your matt schaub jersey?



I dont own any jerseys as I see them as a waste of money

2012Champs
10-10-2013, 01:57 PM
No I think Cousins would much better than Yates just from what I have seen from both...



Then it would not make sense for Washington to part with him.

thunderkyss
10-10-2013, 02:04 PM
It is folding, tucking tail. You are holding on to a powerball odds to hope you can retire thinking Case or Yates can come through.


Unless you have a lot of confidence in Kubiak's ability to design a gameplan to help these guys be successful.

I go back & forth all the time on this. I've never been a Schaub fan, but I've never been a hater either. He's outplayed a lot of more talented QBs & have put together a very nice NFL QB career.

But he's a back-up. He was a back-up when we got him & he's a back-up now. It's arguable that Sage would have had similar numbers had he been able to develop in this system, possibly more wins as Sage is a gamer, possibly more losses as he's a gambler as well.

If Kubiak were to decide that he can win with Tj/Keenum I'm down. But I'd feel much better about it if he made that decision at 2-3 rather than 6-8.

So in my mind, this has got to work. He's got to minimize Schaub's influence on the next couple of games, while collecting wins, while nursing Schaub's confidence back to "mediocre."

I remember what it was like when we played conservative all year long, then tried to open it up in December. Wasn't very good, kinda like what we're seeing now. If he can find a way to win despite the INTs & Pick6es, I'd be willing to see us continue to be aggressive (with the defense & run game stepping up) then trying to scale it back in the play-offs.

Like I said, I'm back & forth on this. I don't know what the right decision is & I'm glad it's not mine to make.

TexansSeminole
10-10-2013, 02:04 PM
Washington is not giving up Kirk Cousins. He has been good in their offense and was drafted by the current staff. They also don't have a problem at running back, so Tate is a no go. Just a fantasy land trade.

chicagotexan2
10-10-2013, 02:04 PM
and why would they trade for yates and give anything up for tate when tate is free to go at the end of the year? Yates would have to be on par with Kirk

Yeah and I dont think Alfred Morris is injured, so I seriously doubt WASH would even consider that trade. I could see them parting with Cousins, but it would have to include a high draft pick and a good player that would still be under contract beyond this season. I like Cousins and I want Cousins but I don't see it happening. It is almost as unlikely as The Texans dropping Schaub very soon.

Brisco_County
10-10-2013, 02:10 PM
Cousins would be great, but they're not giving him up. Especially given the status of Griffin's health.

BullNation4Life
10-10-2013, 02:19 PM
Then it would not make sense for Washington to part with him.

It does if they could pick up multiple picks this year and still have a chance to draft a QB that can slide right in if RG3 goes down, and still run the offense.

When Cousins comes in, it is looks like a different offense, I don't see the plays RG3 runs when Cousins is in.

thunderkyss
10-10-2013, 02:19 PM
Yates...Certainly he stands a chance of doing better than throwing 4 pick 6s in a row.


IMO, it depends. First you have to correctly identify the reason for the pick 6es.
Tennesse
Looked like Schaub & Hopkins weren't on the same page
Baltimore
He was trying to lead OD... normally he'd put it on Owen's back hip. A much safer throw.
Seattle
Ill advised. He should have checked out of the play (maybe he was trying to make a play). He threw it up for grabs.... should've been inexcusable, but that's obviously not the case.
San Francisco
Telegraphing throws all day long.


Then you've got to ask wheter Tj would commit those same errors. He did throw 3 INTs in the divisional round, could/should have been 6. The fact that none of them were returned for TDs says more about the Ravens defense, than Schaub/Tj

I don't really know where I stand on this, Tj/Schaub/Yates, they've all got their pros & cons. If we win, I really don't care which way he goes, but he better be right. If he goes with Schaub (which he did) he better not come back in week 8 & say we're going a different direction. If he were to pick Tj/Case, he better be committed to it & make it work.

thunderkyss
10-10-2013, 02:25 PM
We can trade TJ Yates and Ben Tate.

That makes sense.

I think Cousin is & was their back up plan for Griffin, but Yates/Tate might help them win their division. I can see them doing it for that.

But that's all I would offer. I would not throw in a draft pick or a swap.

They may take Yates, Posey, & Jean.

2012Champs
10-10-2013, 02:25 PM
It does if they could pick up multiple picks this year and still have a chance to draft a QB that can slide right in if RG3 goes down, and still run the offense.

When Cousins comes in, it is looks like a different offense, I don't see the plays RG3 runs when Cousins is in.



you wouldnt see the rg3 runs with yates either :swatter:

TexansSeminole
10-10-2013, 02:27 PM
It does if they could pick up multiple picks this year and still have a chance to draft a QB that can slide right in if RG3 goes down, and still run the offense.

When Cousins comes in, it is looks like a different offense, I don't see the plays RG3 runs when Cousins is in.

So they trade for a RB that they don't need, that won't help them win more games this year, that is on a one year contract, and the hope that they can maybe draft a QB that can do what Kirk Cousins already does? Productive quarterbacks > draft picks.

SCOTTexans
10-10-2013, 02:28 PM
Cousins would be great, but they're not giving him up. Especially given the status of Griffin's health.

I bet it would take a first round pick for them to even consider trading him... Its going to be a Rodgers type situation for him, will be forced to sit behind the starting QB for 3 to 4 years until his contract expires or they decide to part ways with RG III (highly doutful)

infantrycak
10-10-2013, 02:55 PM
Yates in his rookie year staring down receivers, took over a 7-3 team

Yates took over an 7-3 when we were in game 11 and Matt II had given TJ a lead that would win the game. TJ was 2-3 as a starter in the regular season 3-4 total.

Yup to 2012. Yates effectively took over an 8-3 team. 17 pts were already on the board and the Jags scored 13 pts on the day. If the Texans won any of the remaining 5 games they were in the playoffs. Yates gets way, way too much credit for "getting the Texans to the playoffs."

disaacks3
10-10-2013, 03:06 PM
So in my mind, this has got to work. He's got to minimize Schaub's influence on the next couple of games, while collecting wins, while nursing Schaub's confidence back to "mediocre." I'm right there with you. I told someone if we can get good solid runs up the middle early, nothing would boost Schaub's confidence more than a bootleg off of play-action for a deep bomb. Forget the short completions, it'll take a big one to start putting hairs back on his chest.

Trail.Blazr
10-10-2013, 03:12 PM
IMO, it depends. First you have to correctly identify the reason for the pick 6es.
Tennesse
Looked like Schaub & Hopkins weren't on the same page
Baltimore
He was trying to lead OD... normally he'd put it on Owen's back hip. A much safer throw.
Seattle
Ill advised. He should have checked out of the play (maybe he was trying to make a play). He threw it up for grabs.... should've been inexcusable, but that's obviously not the case.
San Francisco
Telegraphing throws all day long.


Then you've got to ask wheter Tj would commit those same errors. He did throw 3 INTs in the divisional round, could/should have been 6. The fact that none of them were returned for TDs says more about the Ravens defense, than Schaub/Tj

I don't really know where I stand on this, Tj/Schaub/Yates, they've all got their pros & cons. If we win, I really don't care which way he goes, but he better be right. If he goes with Schaub (which he did) he better not come back in week 8 & say we're going a different direction. If he were to pick Tj/Case, he better be committed to it & make it work.

TK, I wish I had your outlook. It's healthier than mine. I wish I did care... but I don't.

I am likely UBER wrong, but while that may be, the fact that his 4th was the FIRST throw of the day. On the heels of the prior games, THAT's where he lost me. You simply can't come out on the field with the intent of not throwing a pick, yet on the very first pass play you do what he did... He lost me. At that point, I no longer care about the ones prior, the ones to come... any of them. Get off the field and earn your way back on. At that point, whatever you want to hang your 7 years as a starter on in Houston simply doesn't amount to enough to warrant being entitled to keep on slinging poo. Compound that with the a half-wit side line general who can't comprehend the notion of getting him off the field until he after he throws 2 more speaks volumes as well.

Dissect it all we want, if #8 comes out against the Rams on Sunday and lobs another pick with the very first play, I'll be no further at loss than I already am. If he come out on Sunday and plays like Peyton(unlikely) with a 500 yd game 8tds and a passer rating of 1zillion, I'll eat his jockstrap. He's never been that kind of quarterback, so it's an easy statement to make. What isn't easy, is understanding why the organization feels as if he has been that kind of a QB. What are they SOOO insistent in hanging on to?

As far as what TJ or Case would or wouldn't do in comparison to what has seemingly become a lost cause is relevant only in that the only sample we have to base it on would be preseason, which as a fair or unfair comparison in terms of game intensity, etc.. but the simple fact is neither TJ or Case did anything to suggest they could play any worse than the current train wreck.

If there ever was a reason for having a backup quarterback, other than injury sakes, THIS HAS TO QUALIFY.

From here on out... when Schaub plays well and it's "good for him". When he plays poorly, it's "what do you expect"?

As a Texan fan, I want to see Mr. Pick Six stroll out there as much as Jets fan wants to see Mr. Butt Fumble take the field.

Please put the fan base out of their misery!

TexansFight
10-10-2013, 03:24 PM
my concern is matt does enough to keep his job but doesnt do nearly enough to win in the playoffs (heck even get to the playoffs) and gets to stay on another year and its the same old song and dance for one more year.

Id rather take a chance and sacrifice this season and find out what we have in yates and keenum so we can make a strategic plan on drafting a qb with this upcoming class.

keeping schaub as starter just holds everything back.

-we dont get to find out what we have in yates and keenum
-we win enough to lose draft position to draft a possible game changer at qb in a potentially very good qb class
-we win but dont challenge seriously for the superbow
-we lose two more years trying to figure out what we have in yates and keenum

Find out now.

I completely agree. As CloakNNNDagger has stated convincingly in his opinion as a doctor, Matt Schaub is finished. The Lisfranc injury he had is degenerative and we could have an exorcism and get all the best shrinks to help him mentally and it STILL WILL NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Schaub's problem is a degenerative physical condition. Don't get me wrong, his confidence is shot and he is making bad decisions but the root cause is the degenerative physical condition.

There is ZERO UPSIDE in playing a QB that physically can't get better which means his production is impossible to improve. Play a healthy QB and there is a chance we spark the team and having just an average QB in terms of mobility and standing in the pocket would do wonders.

BullNation4Life
10-10-2013, 07:22 PM
I bet it would take a first round pick for them to even consider trading him... Its going to be a Rodgers type situation for him, will be forced to sit behind the starting QB for 3 to 4 years until his contract expires or they decide to part ways with RG III (highly doutful)

OR Texans wait till next year. Wouldn't that be the 3rd year of a 4 year rookie contract? Wait till next year, offer a deal because no way Cousins is gonna sit behind RG3 knowing he can start for several teams and why wouldn't Washington want to get something for him instead of letting him walk?

I think, for the right price, Washington would deal him...

Uncle Rico
10-10-2013, 07:42 PM
Instead of overpaying for Cousins why not try and find the next RG3 in the draft? Cousins just doesn't pass my eye test, I'd rather swing for the fences with a guy like Mariota or Taj Boyd then be stuck with someone who will probably morph into another Schaub. Before yall go ballistic, yes I'm almost blind and no I didn't watch every Kirk Cousins snap, my memory is one phenomenal game, then a whole lotta "meh" ... Same exact way I feel about Vicks backup ( can't think of his name)

Use the assets in play and sweeten it with Foster, jump into the top 10 and possibly bounce back as soon as next year.

mussop
10-10-2013, 07:46 PM
At this point I would give up our second round pick, Tate and Yates for Cousins.

Texecutioner
10-10-2013, 08:25 PM
Yup to 2012. Yates effectively took over an 8-3 team. 17 pts were already on the board and the Jags scored 13 pts on the day. If the Texans won any of the remaining 5 games they were in the playoffs. Yates gets way, way too much credit for "getting the Texans to the playoffs."

Only have from Texans homers who really don't understand the game. Anyone with a mild NFL football IQ could understand that Yates was just a guy out there taking snaps, handing the ball off, and making check down throws. There is no one outside of Houston that looks at that season and actually credits Yates for taking the Texans anywhere that season. Only the people from Houston who has a ton of hopes.

Rey
10-10-2013, 08:27 PM
At this point I would give up our second round pick, Tate and Yates for Cousins.

That trade actually makes some sense. I'd do it too.

Texecutioner
10-10-2013, 08:32 PM
I'm right there with you. I told someone if we can get good solid runs up the middle early, nothing would boost Schaub's confidence more than a bootleg off of play-action for a deep bomb. Forget the short completions, it'll take a big one to start putting hairs back on his chest.

Yeah, and then we can go into this never ending saga where Schaub is in and out of the dog house.

What a lot of you fail to realize is that the Texans are at that point where they need to hit rock bottom again. Doing anything in the playoff is out of the question now or even making the playoffs if Schaub is starting. We literally need Schaub to totally screw up again to get him out of there finally for a few weeks at least. That is the only way we can see what other guys can do under this handicap HC we have. If Schaub starts having little bits of success all that does is prolong the search to find our new guy and Gary jumps on his jock again and that just makes it easier to refuse to try someone else.

If it comes down to it, I'll start rooting for the Texans to lose again so we can get another QB in there again. Until Schaub is gone or on the bench this team is incapable of going anywhere.

Texecutioner
10-10-2013, 08:35 PM
Why are people wanting Cousins? What has done or proven? NOthing at all other then a good regular season game or two when the Skins were really hot I might add. RG3 who is struggling right now won a ton of games in a row with that same team.

Cousins is another version of Schaub to me with more mobility but not a lot more. I figured people at this point would finally want to take some time to find that next big thing instead of looking for all of these hopeless stop gap guys that Kubiak would likely latch onto for several years before even dreaming of drafting a solid passer who can sling it. QB is to important to settle in this day and age.

htownfan32
10-10-2013, 08:53 PM
Michael Irvin on the halftime show about Eli's interceptions:

"It's one thing to throw those interceptions, its another thing to throw those Schaubs."

:toropalm: :kubepalm: :wadepalm: :vincepalm: :hankpalm:

PapaL
10-10-2013, 08:56 PM
Michael Irvin on the halftime show about Eli's interceptions:

"It's one thing to throw those interceptions, its another thing to throw those Schaubs."

:toropalm: :kubepalm: :wadepalm: :vincepalm: :hankpalm:

I heard it too lol

PockyAF
10-10-2013, 08:59 PM
Guys on NFLN just said if Schaub keeps turning it over than he'll be yanked... possibly during this week game, because according to a Texans source 'it wouldn't be fair to the rest of the team'.

htownfan32
10-10-2013, 09:00 PM
Guys on NFLN just said according to if Schaub keeps turning it over than he'll be yanked... possibly during this week game, because according to a Texans source 'it wouldn't be fair to the rest of the team'.

So Andre basically told Matt that if he throws an interception to Finnegan, it won't be Finnegan who gets an ass whoopin.

2012Champs
10-10-2013, 09:06 PM
So Andre basically told Matt that if he throws an interception to Finnegan, it won't be Finnegan who gets an ass whoopin.


Finnegan won't be playing try again

infantrycak
10-10-2013, 09:35 PM
Why are people wanting Cousins? What has done or proven? NOthing at all other then a good regular season game or two when the Skins were really hot I might add. RG3 who is struggling right now won a ton of games in a row with that same team.

Well then people wouldn't have to stretch for a new insult and could call him just a backup also.

Michael Irvin on the halftime show about Eli's interceptions: s one thing to throw those interceptions, its another thing to throw those Schaubs."

Well he just threw 2 more including a pick 6. That is 14 on the season.

BullNation4Life
10-10-2013, 09:46 PM
Instead of overpaying for Cousins why not try and find the next RG3 in the draft? Cousins just doesn't pass my eye test, I'd rather swing for the fences with a guy like Mariota or Taj Boyd then be stuck with someone who will probably morph into another Schaub. Before yall go ballistic, yes I'm almost blind and no I didn't watch every Kirk Cousins snap, my memory is one phenomenal game, then a whole lotta "meh" ... Same exact way I feel about Vicks backup ( can't think of his name)

Use the assets in play and sweeten it with Foster, jump into the top 10 and possibly bounce back as soon as next year.

And you know what, I would agree 100% with you if Gary Kubiak was not the head coach of the Texans. Mariota and Boyd would be absolutely handcuffed in Kubiaks system because of how Kubiak handles QBs. Kubiak would not use their talents to help shape the offense. instead he would try and force them to be players they are not.

To have those 2 QB's on a team, you need a creative mind to structure an offense around their talents. Kubiak is so far on the other side of that spectrum, creativity is a dot in the distance to him...

Cousins is more of the QB Kubiak likes for the West Coast Offense. I will say Cousins has a far more upside than Schaub ever had coming out of college and into the draft..

htownfan32
10-10-2013, 10:30 PM
Finnegan won't be playing try again

Just a joke, pal. :kitten: insert the name of whatever St. Louis CB is starting in place if it makes you feel more correct lol

DX-TEX
10-10-2013, 10:33 PM
Sean Pendergast ‏@SeanCablinasian 11m
So a Pick 6 is called a "Schaub" now, huh? Funny guy. Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna go snort three lines of Irvin.

Salty.

Vinny
10-10-2013, 10:45 PM
Finnegan won't be playing try again

I heard Andre is going to be a game time decision (hamstring) as well, so he may not play this Sunday...not to be Debbie downer or anything.

infantrycak
10-11-2013, 12:30 AM
Well he just threw 2 more including a pick 6. That is 14 on the season.

Make that three more for a total of 15 and the Giants are 0-6.

silvrhand
10-11-2013, 12:48 AM
Make that three more for a total of 15 and the Giants are 0-6.

Last one was definitely not his fault, hit the receiver in the hands.. The first one was interesting, almost like the receiver quit on the route.

Brisco_County
10-11-2013, 01:20 AM
Guys on NFLN just said if Schaub keeps turning it over than he'll be yanked... possibly during this week game, because according to a Texans source 'it wouldn't be fair to the rest of the team'.

Kubiak would lose the locker room. Either way, I don't see how Schaub remains the starter next season. Smith has seen enough.

htownfan32
10-11-2013, 01:31 AM
Kubiak would lose the locker room. Either way, I don't see how Schaub remains the starter next season. Smith has seen enough.

This.

As much as I'd love a magical turn around to go 13-3 from here on out, I'm almost afraid that it would lead to Schaub staying.

Sigma
10-11-2013, 05:32 AM
I always wondered about this:

let's say Schaub gets it together and we go the playoffs (even playing a bad season overall) and then, just like last year ravens, he just manage to play well enough to win us a superbowl

Then the next year we are back at this point, with people questioning kubiak and schaub because in the end matt's game is not that good anyway.


Looking back would you rather have the bad season with the SB or maybe taking the time to improve the team to get more consistency?


Keep in mind I'm not looking on a opinion on schaub himself, my question is more about a generic team with a QB that performs poorly.

thunderkyss
10-11-2013, 05:38 AM
I always wondered about this:
.

Read the all encompassing Schaub thread from start to finish. That's really the underlying question. Trust me, none of us care that much about Schaub personally.... it's about winning a Super Bowl.

dream_team
10-11-2013, 06:00 AM
Superbowl!!! No doubt about it. If we know we can win one with Schaub, why risk it and take a chance on a new QB?

CloakNNNdagger
10-11-2013, 07:04 AM
I heard Andre is going to be a game time decision (hamstring) as well, so he may not play this Sunday...not to be Debbie downer or anything.

I guess you missed my post in the Injury Report thread that the "hamstring" report is apparently misinformation...............http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2226836&postcount=9

thunderkyss
10-11-2013, 07:07 AM
Here's a link to Podcasts (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/houston-texans-official-podcast/id279409851)most of them from 610 radio. Listen to the Daniel Manning, Antonio Smith, & Brian Cushing interviews & decide for yourselves if the defense has lost confidence in Matt Schaub. I know body language is very telling, but so is the tone in their voices.

thunderkyss
10-11-2013, 07:13 AM
Found this picture on chron.com

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/Thunderkyss/Pick6-2_zps3913ca02.png

Exascor
10-11-2013, 07:15 AM
I'd take a Superbowl even if it was guaranteed the Texans would miss the playoffs for the next 5 years. You only have 1 goal each season - win the Superbowl. 31 teams end the year in disappointment. To reach it would make all the suffering from 2002 on worth it.

Dishman
10-11-2013, 07:16 AM
Make that three more for a total of 15 and the Giants are 0-6.

And what do you think the Giants should do? Bench Eli? Stick with him?

Sigma
10-11-2013, 07:22 AM
I'd take a Superbowl even if it was guaranteed the Texans would miss the playoffs for the next 5 years. You only have 1 goal each season - win the Superbowl. 31 teams end the year in disappointment. To reach it would make all the suffering from 2002 on worth it.

thank you, this really answer my question.

I guess I'd have to be american to fully understand this.

thunderkyss
10-11-2013, 07:38 AM
thank you, this really answer my question.

I guess I'd have to be american to fully understand this.

I wouldn't have thought it was an American thing.

A Super Bowl championship is the ultimate goal. Regardless how bad things get after we win a Championship we could always say, "We won it in 2013." We'll be like Cowboy fans.

But it's all about truly being a contender. Some believe with Schaub we're not a true contender. We may get to the Super Bowl & lose with Schaub & they'll opine that we never really had a chance. They'll be happy if we win, even give Matt some kudos.

I see their point. We can point to Andre & say he gives us a chance to win. Regardless what his stats are, or how "injury prone" he might be. If he's playing in the Super Bowl he gives us a chance to win it. Arian, he could be averaging 3.8 ypc, but he gives us a chance to win. Even Ben Tate with his fumblitus.... if he's in the game, he gives us a chance to win.

Most of us don't feel that way about Schaub. Some of that is taking what he does bring to the team for granted. We didn't win 12 games last year in spite of Schaub. We won in Denver & in Jacksonville largely because of Matt Schaub.

I don't know the numbers exactly but I feel that we're more likely to lose than not if we're down by 3 with the ball in his hands.

Sigma
10-11-2013, 07:51 AM
I wouldn't have thought it was an American thing.

A Super Bowl championship is the ultimate goal. Regardless how bad things get after we win a Championship we could always say, "We won it in 2013." We'll be like Cowboy fans.

But it's all about truly being a contender. Some believe with Schaub we're not a true contender. We may get to the Super Bowl & lose with Schaub & they'll opine that we never really had a chance. They'll be happy if we win, even give Matt some kudos.

I see their point. We can point to Andre & say he gives us a chance to win. Regardless what his stats are, or how "injury prone" he might be. If he's playing in the Super Bowl he gives us a chance to win it. Arian, he could be averaging 3.8 ypc, but he gives us a chance to win. Even Ben Tate with his fumblitus.... if he's in the game, he gives us a chance to win.

Most of us don't feel that way about Schaub. Some of that is taking what he does bring to the team for granted. We didn't win 12 games last year in spite of Schaub. We won in Denver & in Jacksonville largely because of Matt Schaub.

I don't know the numbers exactly but I feel that we're more likely to lose than not if we're down by 3 with the ball in his hands.

yeah maybe it's not an american thing, but it sure would help me to see the importance of it :)

as things are now I would rather have a beautiful season a good playoff run and then go out to an other very good team with "honor" than playing a bad season with win like in san diego and then go to the playoffs and go on for luck maybe win a SB but having the sensation that the team overall is not even an average one

But this is probably because I watch football for fun, and having to suffer all season long is not that appealing to me. and then, even if we win the SB, I wouldn't have anyone to celebrate that with.

except this forum of course, but you can understand how different would be to celebrate in a roaring crowd :P

thunderkyss
10-11-2013, 08:33 AM
yeah maybe it's not an american thing, but it sure would help me to see the importance of it :)

as things are now I would rather have a beautiful season a good playoff run and then go out to an other very good team with "honor" than playing a bad season with win like in san diego and then go to the playoffs and go on for luck maybe win a SB but having the sensation that the team overall is not even an average one

But this is probably because I watch football for fun, and having to suffer all season long is not that appealing to me. and then, even if we win the SB, I wouldn't have anyone to celebrate that with.


What you're talking about is the last two years. I'd take another season like that, but would rather we get to the AFC Championship game & win.

Baltimore & Atlanta took those baby steps, Baltimore got the trophy. But some teams like Green Bay & New Orleans went from eh..... to Champions. Coming into this season we had every reason to believe we could win a Championship as long as a certain someone took a tiny step in the right direction. Instead it appears he's taken a giant stumble in the wrong direction.

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 09:49 AM
And you know what, I would agree 100% with you if Gary Kubiak was not the head coach of the Texans. Mariota and Boyd would be absolutely handcuffed in Kubiaks system because of how Kubiak handles QBs. Kubiak would not use their talents to help shape the offense. instead he would try and force them to be players they are not.

To have those 2 QB's on a team, you need a creative mind to structure an offense around their talents. Kubiak is so far on the other side of that spectrum, creativity is a dot in the distance to him...

Cousins is more of the QB Kubiak likes for the West Coast Offense. I will say Cousins has a far more upside than Schaub ever had coming out of college and into the draft..

I would have to politely disagree. I think that the Kubiak/ Shanahan version of the west coast offense needs an athletic QB to run it. Sell the hard play action and have the ability to get to the corner on a roll out/ bootleg. Jake Plummer comes to mind first, not the greatest QB but he was succesful in this system because he could use his legs.

Kubiak IMO has had to morph his offense to fit those things that Schaub can't do, so i believe Kubiak is only working with a fraction of the plays he would prefer to call. I think Koobs is stubborn at times, but he is a great offensive mind. He needs to implement a blocking scheme like Chicago was using where the 3 interior lineman take one solid step forward on pass plays and give Schaub that extra half second and a more defined pocket.
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I still hold fast to my belief that the shoddy line play is mostly accountable for the offensive struggles, and it has magnified Schaubs deficiencies

BullNation4Life
10-11-2013, 10:04 AM
I would have to politely disagree. I think that the Kubiak/ Shanahan version of the west coast offense needs an athletic QB to run it. Sell the hard play action and have the ability to get to the corner on a roll out/ bootleg. Jake Plummer comes to mind first, not the greatest QB but he was succesful in this system because he could use his legs.

Kubiak IMO has had to morph his offense to fit those things that Schaub can't do, so i believe Kubiak is only working with a fraction of the plays he would prefer to call. I think Koobs is stubborn at times, but he is a great offensive mind. He needs to implement a blocking scheme like Chicago was using where the 3 interior lineman take one solid step forward on pass plays and give Schaub that extra half second and a more defined pocket.
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I still hold fast to my belief that the shoddy line play is mostly accountable for the offensive struggles, and it has magnified Schaubs deficiencies


So by what you just said about Koods having to morph is offense to fit Schaub and needing an athletic QB, why has Koobs not found a QB to run HIS offense the way he wants it ran? There have been plenty out there. For example, we all saw how TJ Yates ( not saying he is the answer) could run with his feet, yet he still sits behind a QB that Koobs had to change his offense around...

Is Yates just that bad, couldn't Yates be a Jake Plummer like QB in Kubiak's system, and yet Kubiak still wants the bigger QB to run his offense. I think Plummer was Shannahan's choice and Kubiak had to fit his play calling around him. Now that Kubiak is in charge, he can do it the way he wants, and it seems he wants the bigger, less mobile QB to run the show.

Cousins is far more athletic than Schaub ever has been, ergo I think he would be absolutely great in this offense, because he has what Kubiak wants in his QBs, while the other athletic QBs, Manziel, Boyd, Moriata would be absolutely wasted in this system, not because they couldn't do it but because of how Kubiak likes to run his offense.

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 10:41 AM
So by what you just said about Koods having to morph is offense to fit Schaub and needing an athletic QB, why has Koobs not found a QB to run HIS offense the way he wants it ran? There have been plenty out there. For example, we all saw how TJ Yates ( not saying he is the answer) could run with his feet, yet he still sits behind a QB that Koobs had to change his offense around...

Is Yates just that bad, couldn't Yates be a Jake Plummer like QB in Kubiak's system, and yet Kubiak still wants the bigger QB to run his offense. I think Plummer was Shannahan's choice and Kubiak had to fit his play calling around him. Now that Kubiak is in charge, he can do it the way he wants, and it seems he wants the bigger, less mobile QB to run the show.

Cousins is far more athletic than Schaub ever has been, ergo I think he would be absolutely great in this offense, because he has what Kubiak wants in his QBs, while the other athletic QBs, Manziel, Boyd, Moriata would be absolutely wasted in this system, not because they couldn't do it but because of how Kubiak likes to run his offense.

Only thing I can think of is that Kubiak is loyal to a flaw and had a tough time seperating the feelings from tough football decisions. I think its been a progressive decline for Schaub compounded by injury and a subpar offensive line that has culminated in the present day dilemma. Schaub wasn't the statue he is now when the team traded for him so i wouldn't be so quick to toss out superlatives like Cousins is "more mobile than Svhsub ever was" because it wasn't always like that.

Hervoyel
10-11-2013, 10:53 AM
So by what you just said about Koods having to morph is offense to fit Schaub and needing an athletic QB, why has Koobs not found a QB to run HIS offense the way he wants it ran? There have been plenty out there. For example, we all saw how TJ Yates ( not saying he is the answer) could run with his feet, yet he still sits behind a QB that Koobs had to change his offense around...

Is Yates just that bad, couldn't Yates be a Jake Plummer like QB in Kubiak's system, and yet Kubiak still wants the bigger QB to run his offense. I think Plummer was Shannahan's choice and Kubiak had to fit his play calling around him. Now that Kubiak is in charge, he can do it the way he wants, and it seems he wants the bigger, less mobile QB to run the show.

Cousins is far more athletic than Schaub ever has been, ergo I think he would be absolutely great in this offense, because he has what Kubiak wants in his QBs, while the other athletic QBs, Manziel, Boyd, Moriata would be absolutely wasted in this system, not because they couldn't do it but because of how Kubiak likes to run his offense.


I tend to agree with you. I think that we all think about this so much while we try to figure out what the problem is and we're probably just over thinking it. Gary has exactly the kind of QB he wants in Schaub. If he wanted a mobile, athletic guy he'd have gotten one. Schaub did not come cheap in hindsight. A pair of 2's isn't cheap. The Texans went after him not because he was the only choice available or a bargain but because Schaub was exactly what Gary wanted. We see a big oafish looking guy who can't run. Gary sees a big guy who stands tall in the pocket and won't go doing stupid **** like running. No "Schaub-o-Copter" plays coming from Matt. He can be trusted not to try and do too much because well, he really can't do too much.

There have been plenty of opportunities to try someone else. Rosenfels just about outplayed Schaub in many peoples eyes a few times and it didn't matter (and I was never a Sage fan and am not suggesting he was necessarily the better QB. I'm suggestion that in hindsight he might have been) Gary never took the bait because he has exactly what he wants right here in Gomer Pyle.

Vinny
10-11-2013, 11:05 AM
Fitting your scheme around the talents of your player, or finding a guy who can manage your system. Seems Kubiak is more drunk on his system than anything else. This is a slow, plodding offense that belongs in the hey-day of the wco. Someone please tell Gary he needs some more speed to take the top off the defense and stretch the field. Audibles are essential too. It's 2013 going on 2014 Kubes.

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 11:07 AM
I tried to find tape from 2009, but bootube only had Schaubs 2011 reel and even then he had more bounce in his step. The Lis Franc injury ends careers and Schaub will probably be added to that list. Kubiak was hoping his buddy ol pal was able to make a full recovery and it hasn't materialized and the end is near.

kingtexan
10-11-2013, 11:12 AM
The Lis Franc injury ends careers

So does throwing over your receiver, and behind your receiver, and at their feet, and not being able to throw over 30 yards, and not having any velocity on the out routes, and ...

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 11:17 AM
So does throwing over your receiver, and behind your receiver, and at their feet, and not being able to throw over 30 yards, and not having any velocity on the out routes, and ...

If you can't use both of your feet to plant and drive the ball then all of the things you mentioned will happen.

HOU-TEX
10-11-2013, 11:26 AM
Fitting your scheme around the talents of your player, or finding a guy who can manage your system. Seems Kubiak is more drunk on his system than anything else. This is a slow, plodding offense that belongs in the hey-day of the wco. Someone please tell Gary he needs some more speed to take the top off the defense and stretch the field. Audibles are essential too. It's 2013 going on 2014 Kubes.

Guess we can strap a jugs machine on Schaub's back to get the ball to them. Otherwise, the WR would have to come back to the ball after taking the top off the D

Vinny
10-11-2013, 11:33 AM
Fitting your scheme around the talents of your player, or finding a guy who can manage your system. Seems Kubiak is more drunk on his system than anything else. This is a slow, plodding offense that belongs in the hey-day of the wco. Someone please tell Gary he needs some more speed to take the top off the defense and stretch the field. Audibles are essential too. It's 2013 going on 2014 Kubes.

Guess we can strap a jugs machine on Schaub's back to get the ball to them. Otherwise, the WR would have to come back to the ball after taking the top off the D
Yeah, speed plus a qb that can make all the throws. I was watching Cutler zip the ball around last night and was jealous. Never been jealous of Cutler before.

HOU-TEX
10-11-2013, 11:41 AM
Yeah, speed plus a qb that can make all the throws. I was watching Cutler zip the ball around last night and was jealous. Never been jealous of Cutler before.

Yup. I might dry heave, but I'd toss Rivers and Romo in the Cutler group too. They haven't shown the best decision making in the past either, but they can spin it

Good grief, I'm desperate.

*BTW, since you mentioned the game last night. I absolutely love Kyle Long's game. The dude's mean as heck, knows what he's doing, doing it very well and he's only a rookie.

Vinny
10-11-2013, 12:00 PM
I'd take a Superbowl even if it was guaranteed the Texans would miss the playoffs for the next 5 years. You only have 1 goal each season - win the Superbowl. 31 teams end the year in disappointment. To reach it would make all the suffering from 2002 on worth it.thank you, this really answer my question.

I guess I'd have to be american to fully understand this.
I know you've answered a response to this already but to give some perspective, I'm almost 50 years old. I started watching the Oilers in 1971 (lots of Radio back then since the Oilers were always blacked out at home). In my lifetime I've never seen my home team participate in the ultimate game. Now I'm going on a deathwatch. Do the Texans get into the SB before I die? Perhaps we should start a pool.

thunderkyss
10-11-2013, 12:10 PM
Yup. I might dry heave, but I'd toss Rivers and Romo in the Cutler group too. They haven't shown the best decision making in the past either, but they can spin it

Good grief, I'm desperate.

*BTW, since you mentioned the game last night. I absolutely love Kyle Long's game. The dude's mean as heck, knows what he's doing, doing it very well and he's only a rookie.

Did you ever like Schaub?

I don't think anyone here ever really liked Schaub, I didn't. I thought he could get the job done & he's proven himself to be a good starter in this league.

If he can shake what's ailing him, I still think we can win with Matt Schaub.

If you look at Rivers' career over the last two years, the argument could have been made that it was past time to move on. I'm sure there were Charger fans who thought exactly that. Now... he looks like a gamer again.

For me, the only thing that's really changed is that I hope Kubiak tries harder to find a Schaub replacement in the future. No more second day picks or UDFAs...... get someone with talent in here. Not Matt Lienart, Rex Grossman kind of talent. But I'd like to see Josh Freeman, or Christian Ponder brought in for a looksie.

IDEXAN
10-11-2013, 12:49 PM
Recently, I’ve been asked by friends, current and former players, coaches, and even my son, “What’s wrong with Matt Schaub?” I struggle for an answer. I don’t think there is anything wrong with his mechanics. Watching from afar, it seems the offense Houston is running still uses the same battle-tested concepts I remember from my time with the team that head coach Gary Kubiak has used for years. The Texans still have a lot of talent on the team and have continued to run the ball well, throw for a lot of yards and play solid defense. So why the interceptions, and why the four straight games with a pick-6, the deadly interception run back for a touchdown?

I spent the past few days trying to figure out why, at what seems to be the most inopportune times, Schaub has thrown interceptions, causing a team with Super Bowl aspirations to be in soul-searching mode—and, according to Kubiak, maybe even quarterback-searching mode. The only thing I can do is relate this to a situation I went through as a player and how it affected me.
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Being that I played the best football of my NFL career in Houston under Gary Kubiak, I am rooting for the Texans to get back on track. Having played with Schaub for two years and knowing how mentally strong and dedicated he is to his team and his profession, I believe he will get his play turned around soon. But only one person, Matt himself, knows his confidence level after being mentally battered early this season. And the mental part of the game, the part no one sees, plays such a big part of success and failure in the NFL. I know. I’ve felt it.

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/10/11/matt-schaub-interception-sage-rosenfels/?sct=hp_t11_a1&eref=sihp

thunderkyss
10-11-2013, 01:02 PM
http://mmqb.si.com/2013/10/11/matt-schaub-interception-sage-rosenfels/?sct=hp_t11_a1&eref=sihp

Really good read.

CloakNNNdagger
10-11-2013, 01:06 PM
Perfect solution...........modify athletic wear............


http://www.annarbor.com/calendar/photologue/photos/01%20Umich%20vs%20Purdue/cache/102911_SPT_UMich_vs_Purdue_10_display.jpg

Dread-Head
10-11-2013, 01:07 PM
I miss you Dewey!

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 01:13 PM
I've heard it referred to as "The Quicksand" ... No matter how much harder you fight, you keep sinking.

Great perspective by Sage, and it STILL doesn't seem like he's fully over The Rosencopter.

He did get screwed in Minny when all signs pointed to him as the starter and here comes Old Man Favre to take away his opportunity.

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 01:17 PM
:toropalm::vincepalm::mariopalm::kubepalm:

Havent heard this in awhile...

So let's say Koobs gets ****canned, do you think he goes without a job for an extended period of time? Not as a head coach, but play caller.

CloakNNNdagger
10-11-2013, 01:19 PM
Here's a link to Podcasts (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/houston-texans-official-podcast/id279409851)most of them from 610 radio. Listen to the Daniel Manning, Antonio Smith, & Brian Cushing interviews & decide for yourselves if the defense has lost confidence in Matt Schaub. I know body language is very telling, but so is the tone in their voices.

In this article, Manning was really grabbing at straws when he made this comparison to the 2006 Bears situation......no where close.

This is not the first time Danieal Manning has been a part of a talented team facing adversity.

Manning has first-hand experience seeing his quarterback take heat, while the team makes a push for a championship. In 2006, Manning’s rookie season, he found himself part of a similar situation in Chicago.

Quarterback Rex Grossman would lead the Bears to a Super Bowl but not before being under fire throughout the season. Manning, now in his eighth year in the NFL, recalls the quarterback criticism, the firestorm, and how the team was able to overcome it.

“(It’s) similar towards the heat and all the slack he’s been getting,” Manning said, referring to quarterback Matt Schaub. “What happened on that team is how they were able to prevail with all that. They just continued to rally around Rex.”link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Danieal-Mannings-view-on-current-QB-situation/d53d96aa-d33a-4e19-88d8-d6a182de0594)

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 01:21 PM
absolutely ridiculously empty article by another back up qb.

The whole thing is about a failed quarterback reliving his past failures and offering little to no insight as to what's wrong with schaub.

Absolutely worthless article.

Makes me think this is another paid leave matt schaub alone article by the texans organization. as if the fake harassment wasnt enough.

thanks for nothing rosencopter.

Did you forget to take your meds today? I'm sure a forum poster would have more to offer as far as perspective is concerned right? You're a funny guy, like clown funn

Rey
10-11-2013, 01:26 PM
It was a good article, but I felt it was mostly about sage. But I get the tie in, and I love listening to sage now. He brings quality insight IMO and doesn't try to tell you what to think.

Brisco_County
10-11-2013, 01:26 PM
absolutely ridiculously empty article by another back up qb.

The whole thing is about a failed quarterback reliving his past failures and offering little to no insight as to what's wrong with schaub.

Absolutely worthless article.

Makes me think this is another paid leave matt schaub alone article by the texans organization. as if the fake harassment wasnt enough.

thanks for nothing rosencopter.

Hmm... Should I believe the informed opinion of a professional athlete who's been there, or the rabid hyperbole of an anonymous fan?

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 01:27 PM
no because all these guys get reused and recycled throughout the league. Getting rehired quickly doesnt verify his "offensive genius" status.

if mike tice and dom capers can get rehired anybody can.

smdh.

Lol, oookay. So getting hired to be an assistant oline coach is the same as drawing up plays and schemes, got it. Thanks for the enlightening perspective.

So Capers hasn't enjoyed any success after his Texan stint? He was a great defensive mind before his duties as head coach and he did great in that capacity afterwards. Same will apply to Kubiak.

MistaRed
10-11-2013, 01:30 PM
Reading is fundamental.


Good article by Rosenfels. Shed some light into what schaub could be going through.

Mr teX
10-11-2013, 01:31 PM
Its a good read, but it's nothing that everyone who has an ounce of football knowledge didn't already know...mentally he's a mess right now & after the SF game...i'm not sure he'll ever make it back...

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 01:32 PM
So then the logic being thrown around is Kubiak sucks as an offensive coach, his scheme is outdated and easy to plan for and the Texans should find a coach that runs the Read Option since that is the flavor of the month and will redefine the game.

George Seifert is spinning in his grave! (But he probably sucked too)

HOU-TEX
10-11-2013, 01:34 PM
So then the logic being thrown around is Kubiak sucks as an offensive coach, his scheme is outdated and easy to plan for and the Texans should find a coach that runs the Read Option since that is the flavor of the month and will redefine the game.

George Seifert is spinning in his grave! (But he probably sucked too)

George Seifert? You mean Bill Walsh?

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 01:37 PM
calls kubiak an offensive genius, gets called out on it,

and is now butt hurt and relegated to personal insults.

Its like clock work. Tell me, what did sage say was wrong with matt?

Stop skipping English class "breh" its not doing you any favors. I'm not trying to make fun of you, I'm truly concerned for your mental state. LOL

Boo hoo my opinion was called out and now I'm on a weirdos Sig I'm so sad.

Rey
10-11-2013, 01:41 PM
Great perspective by Sage, and it STILL doesn't seem like he's fully over The Rosencopter.
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He'll never get over it. That's his lasting legacy. It's not going to torment him forever, but he'll always think about it and suck his teeth and say "man"...maybe laugh about it a little.

I remember in highschool my junior year losing in the play offs on the last play of the game because of a coaching error. But that's not the one that stings...my senior year we were in the semi's playing converse Judson in San Antonio. We had the better team. But I can vividly remember the sounds, sights and feelings I had as the clock ticked down to zero. I can remember the bus ride home...going into the locker room...showering...everything.

That stuff sticks with you, but unlike Matt and sage I wasn't in the spotlight making individual errors in the nfl. I'd imagine it's about 100x worse for them. Well, more so sage than Schaub. Schaub still has a chance to right his wrongs so to speak.

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 01:46 PM
[QUOTE=Come On Breh;2227128]and your logic to counter that logic is that if kubiak was fired he would get rehired quickly so he is an offensive genius.

lol.... :kitten:

:toropalm:[/QUOTE

http://www.battleredblog.com/2012/8/23/3263553/gary-kubiak-offensive-guru-or-flawed-coordinator

Old, but still relevant. I know reading isn't your most enjoyable thing to do, and I'm sure you have more football knowledge than John Elway so that should give you a chuckle or two.

Don't forget your ball of yarn.

Vinny
10-11-2013, 01:48 PM
So then the logic being thrown around is Kubiak sucks as an offensive coach, his scheme is outdated and easy to plan for and the Texans should find a coach that runs the Read Option since that is the flavor of the month and will redefine the game.

George Seifert is spinning in his grave! (But he probably sucked too)
It's no better or worse than newer (to the NFL) concepts like the pistol formation, which is just a variation of the old wing-t and is older than wco concepts. It's not that the formations or routes that are outdated and easy to plan for; it's the way it's administrated....at least to me. It's a 1st down offense. Instead of looking to score the team looks to stay in a reasonable down and distance. It's a great offense vs the little sisters of the poor who can't stop the run and then get sucked in by the play action pass. It churns numbers between the 20's, but it isn't a quick strike offense and teams just compact down don't worry so much about the back end where there is little to no credible threat. Hell, opposing db's have as many TD's as Andre friggin' Johnson has in his last 36 ball games.

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 01:53 PM
more insults.

again,

tell me, what did sage say was wrong with matt and how would he fix it?

stay on point.

If this article was so profound and such a great read, tell me, what did sage say is wrong with matt and how would he go on about fixing it?

Would you like a warm cup of milk while I read you the article?

He gives a first hand account to the struggles of an NFL QB!!! What is so hard to comprehend and extrapolate from that? It's like trying to explain the game to my 9 year old son, jiminy christmas! Lol.

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 01:59 PM
[QUOTE=Uncle Rico;2227136]

rotfl, yes more insults. what's that? a kuharsky article? is that suppose to prove me wrong and you right?


loooooool

I don't want to keep offending your tender sensibilities, but ill go ahead and side with people who have played and coached at the professional level.

Now if forum *********gery turns out to be a topic of interest I'm coming straight for you to get a step by step on how its done. If you aren't to insulted that is.

DX-TEX
10-11-2013, 02:03 PM
I've heard it referred to as "The Quicksand" ... No matter how much harder you fight, you keep sinking.

Great perspective by Sage, and it STILL doesn't seem like he's fully over The Rosencopter.

He did get screwed in Minny when all signs pointed to him as the starter and here comes Old Man Favre to take away his opportunity.


You need to quit watching TBS and repeats of The Replacements movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3O-kYwM8qY

kingtexan
10-11-2013, 02:03 PM
Nothing enlightening here, just a scrap of an opinion by a former back-up QB concerning someone who should have never became anything other than a back-up QB ... move along.

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 02:13 PM
so all you have is more personal insults.

AGAIN, I ASK,

tell me what did sage say was wrong with matt and how would he go on about fixing it?

tell me what was so profound about his take on what's up with schaub?

Ive seen posters here breakdown what's wrong with schaub in much more extensive and elaborate fashion. Both medically, strategically and psychologically than what sage just wrote.

That was an empty article about a failed quarterback reliving his failed glory years and offered very little insight to what is up with schaub.

But go ahead tell me since i cant read. Maybe You, Sage, and Kubiak are too much of an offensive genius for me to handle.

roooooflooool

See the bold faced print before the article, that there gives you a breakdown ob what is going to be talked about mmmkay. See you want to know how to fix Matt Schaub, that wasn't any part of what this article was about. Still with me?

Sage was giving his account ob what goes on in a struggling QBs head when it all falls apart, that's called first person story telling mmmkay.

This wasn't a piece implying there was anything anybody can do about Matt Schaub, in your desire to be alpha male poster #1 you cherry pick comments without taking into account context.

You bash and try to discredit Sage Rosenfels and yet get all teary eyed when someone calls you mean things and insults you so bad, poor baby. Irony? Lulz.

Click on the exclamation mark surrounded by the red triangle thingy if my comments hurt you so much and a Mod will take my mean and nasty words off the screen.

EllisUnit
10-11-2013, 02:21 PM
absolutely ridiculously empty article by another back up qb.

The whole thing is about a failed quarterback reliving his past failures and offering little to no insight as to what's wrong with schaub.

Absolutely worthless article.

Makes me think this is another paid leave matt schaub alone article by the texans organization. as if the fake harassment wasnt enough.

thanks for nothing rosencopter.

How do you have any green in your rep, half the posts i read from you are a waste of space and my time. The other half are so stupid and biased that they make me want to jump off the nearest bridge. And WTF does your retarded name even mean ? Did you have spell check turned off the day you blessed us with your alias....

On another note it was a pretty good article.

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 02:23 PM
How do you have any green in your rep, half the posts i read from you are a waste of space and my time. The other half are so stupid and biased that they make me want to jump off the nearest bridge. And WTF does your retarded name even mean ? Did you have spell check turned off the day you blessed us with your alias....

On another note it was a pretty good article.

Be careful, that dog bites!! Lol

htownfan32
10-11-2013, 02:25 PM
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I actually love it when people come at me, it gets me a chance to respond, but seeing as there is a double standard where people who are new cant respond back to name calling done by older posters without getting warned by mods i let it go.

Lol at your pathetic lame attempt to finally answer what it was that sage said was wrong with schaub, and you answer is that sage is giving HIS first hand account of struggling.


You're the one with the reading problems. There was nothing informative or new about what sage said.

Absolutely nothing but keep reaching.


http://fuuka.warosu.org/data/jp/img/0114/09/1379040300830.gif

Thorn
10-11-2013, 02:26 PM
How do you have any green in your rep, half the posts i read from you are a waste of space and my time. The other half are so stupid and biased that they make me want to jump off the nearest bridge. And WTF does your retarded name even mean ? Did you have spell check turned off the day you blessed us with your alias....

On another note it was a pretty good article.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102393

ArlingtonTexan
10-11-2013, 02:26 PM
Sage gave an answer that even if true does not provide a tangible solution to the problem.

EllisUnit
10-11-2013, 02:26 PM
and your logic to counter that logic is that if kubiak was fired he would get rehired quickly so he is an offensive genius.

lol.... :kitten:

:toropalm:

You can look at his stats/rankings as an O.C and see he was among one of the best every season. And we have a top 10 offensive in the NFL every season and i can assure you that isnt because of Dennison. Did you recently just begin following football or something ?!?!?

EllisUnit
10-11-2013, 02:31 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102393

:gamer: yep that just about explains it haha

badboy
10-11-2013, 02:39 PM
absolutely ridiculously empty article by another back up qb.

The whole thing is about a failed quarterback reliving his past failures and offering little to no insight as to what's wrong with schaub.

Absolutely worthless article.

Makes me think this is another paid leave matt schaub alone article by the texans organization. as if the fake harassment wasnt enough.

thanks for nothing rosencopter.Let me give it a try as I read article early this morning from Bleacher report and found it readable. Someone repeating what is known is not harmful as it can remind me of things are cause me to seek more info or simply slow my roll. From the article:

"Mentally, getting beyond that game was nearly impossible. I was disappointed that I let my team down. I knew I missed a huge opportunity to possibly be the starter going forward"

IMO, Sage comparing MS to his own incident as a vet QB saying in his opinion it is mental not physical as some on MB have posited. The fact that it haunted Sage for months tells me it could take that long for MS and therefore impacts the team. That is useful.

Here is what the point of article was as you should get that even if you know what he is saying beofre he says it.

"My point is to give you an inside look at what might be going through a player’s head after a handful of devastating mistakes"

Here is how he suggest MS overcome the mental problem:
"What I do know is the experience I went through and the challenge and perseverance it took to overcome it. "

IMO, he is saying it takes time and the opportunity to get back on the horse and ride. There is no pill or magic elixer, MS may or may not get better. The article was not a "here is the fix, Mr. Schaub" but rather a player who had been through almost the exact same thing voicing his thoughts. Just like with threads and posts on this MB, if you get nothing out of them, go elsewhere.

badboy
10-11-2013, 02:40 PM
Sage gave an answer that even if true does not provide a tangible solution to the problem.Did you expect it to?

Exascor
10-11-2013, 02:43 PM
looool at tender sensibilities.

says the guy butt hurt that he got called out for calling kubiak an offensive genius now scrambling pulling up kuharksly articles....

lolHonestly, your post spamming of the same crap over and over is making me feel like putting you on ignore. That's sad because I couldn't care less that we have some differences in opinion. Heck, I agree with you that Keenum should start. I disagree with a ton of posters here and love hearing their opinions. Yours as well. The problem is you are spewing diarrhea along with 1 or 2 other Keenum jock sniffers. Say something new. Comment on another subject. We understand your position - Keenum should start or whoever stops him should be removed from the team - some posters disagree and some agree. You aren't convincing anyone of anything other than you like to spam identical posts.

Vinny
10-11-2013, 02:45 PM
I actually love it when people come at me, it gets me a chance to respond, but seeing as there is a double standard where people who are new cant respond back to name calling done by older posters without getting warned by mods i let it go. I've warned you about redundant petty arguments. I don't mind the argument...it's the redundant petty ones that destroy forums such as this. I won't let you or anyone else run the good posters off because all the threads are chock full of petty arguments. I don't warn that many people openly but you continue to bring up the moderators and cry about injustice.

kingtexan
10-11-2013, 02:47 PM
I've warned you about redundant petty arguments. I don't mind the argument...it's the redundant petty ones that destroy forums such as this. I won't let you or anyone else run the good posters off because all the threads are chock full of petty arguments. I don't warn that many people openly but you continue to bring up the moderators and cry about injustice.

Attica!!! Attica!!!! ........................ ***sits back in corner***

HOU-TEX
10-11-2013, 02:54 PM
Was Sage supposed to give an obvious answer? I think the article was merely Sage giving his experience in dealing with a similar situation.

In summation of the article.....Sage, and likely Schaub have been Carr-ed (mind-screwed). Some get over it (Plunket, Aikman, etc.) and some don't (Sage, Carr, etc.)

michaelm
10-11-2013, 02:58 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102393

hmmm... MSR? That can't be right. I don't recall ever being drunk enough to S R to you...

HOU-TEX
10-11-2013, 03:00 PM
Pretty sure this could've been posted in a thread that featured everything Schaub.

Oh, hey look, the thread "All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread" sounds like it might feature everything Schaub.

Blake
10-11-2013, 03:02 PM
Interesting insight on his situation. Basically he says Matt is going to have to mentally get past his mistakes to get back to playing well. Playing guarded and conservative is only going to lead to more simple costly mistakes. So what I take from that is we need to let'er rip and come out rockin. I personally would like to see more bombs and big play attempts.

HOU-TEX
10-11-2013, 03:05 PM
its not just about matt schaub. its about other qbs and it takes a look at recent historical trends with other qbs who were competent who suddenly fell off.

The only thing Texans related in the article is Schaub.

HOU-TEX
10-11-2013, 03:13 PM
so this thread was moved but the kubiak names matt schaub starter isnt.

i see how its gonna be around here.

That thread has a lot of conversation over Kubiak as well as Schaub. The Sage thread has to do with Schaub, but Sage as well

2012Champs
10-11-2013, 03:14 PM
I think we have gone beyond wasting space on the board with this guy

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 03:15 PM
so this thread was moved but the kubiak names matt schaub starter isnt.

i see how its gonna be around here.

Lol

I thought the piece was good, and the message it was trying to CONVEY appropriate. Good job.

Vinny
10-11-2013, 03:16 PM
so this thread was moved but the kubiak names matt schaub starter isnt.

i see how its gonna be around here.
You haven't been getting the hint so far. Go destroy some other forum please.

TexansFight
10-11-2013, 03:17 PM
To be truthful, I have never really liked Schaub. I wanted Rosenfels to start when he was here. I always liked him. Even after the Rosencopter game, which I was muttering obscenities as I was leaving Reliant Stadium, I still respected him.

Sage had a Greek Tragedy type of aura around him. He had balls and wanted to make plays for his team. Schaub doesn't have those things. What was "tragic" was his talent did not allow for him to actually make the plays his body and mind wanted him to do.

2012Champs
10-11-2013, 03:18 PM
You haven't been getting the hint so far. Go destroy some other forum please.



He will probably just start another account :toropalm:

htownfan32
10-11-2013, 03:26 PM
To be truthful, I have never really liked Schaub. I wanted Rosenfels to start when he was here. I always liked him. Even after the Rosencopter game, which I was muttering obscenities as I was leaving Reliant Stadium, I still respected him.

Sage had a Greek Tragedy type of aura around him. He had balls and wanted to make plays for his team. Schaub doesn't have those things. What was "tragic" was his talent did not allow for him to actually make the plays his body and mind wanted him to do.

Sage = Oedipus
Schaub = Agamemnon

:toropalm:

I've been studying for Classical Civ too long

htownfan32
10-11-2013, 03:28 PM
Looks like Bro has left the building.

For the record I totally refuse to call him breh

Rey
10-11-2013, 03:40 PM
To be truthful, I have never really liked Schaub. I wanted Rosenfels to start when he was here. I always liked him. Even after the Rosencopter game, which I was muttering obscenities as I was leaving Reliant Stadium, I still respected him.

Sage had a Greek Tragedy type of aura around him. He had balls and wanted to make plays for his team. Schaub doesn't have those things. What was "tragic" was his talent did not allow for him to actually make the plays his body and mind wanted him to do.

I thought sage should have been our stop gap instead of going after Schaub. I think this team would have been better for it. And I actually do think he had the physical talent. Remember, sage covered kicks for us when he came here.

I think that rosecopter game did him in though. That was his shot and I think if he makes that play or doesn't fumble, it would have been hard to justify starting Schaub after that.

But that's not how it happened and really this stuff is just fun to think about. Iiwii now.

Rey
10-11-2013, 03:57 PM
Sage = Oedipus
Schaub = Agamemnon

:toropalm:

I've been studying for Classical Civ too long

Sage is going to kill kubiak and marry Schaub?

NCTexan
10-11-2013, 04:48 PM
I always liked him. Even after the Rosencopter game, which I was muttering obscenities as I was leaving Reliant Stadium, I still respected him.


I think that rosecopter game did him in though. That was his shot and I think if he makes that play or doesn't fumble, it would have been hard to justify starting Schaub after that.

The thing about Rosencopter is that he was trying to make a play. I like that he had the drive to go for it. That's the kind of cut throat attitude a lot of people think we're missing on offense. It's easy to make fun of him for it, but like you two I have some respect for him putting himself in that situation.

thunderkyss
10-11-2013, 04:50 PM
Its a good read, but it's nothing that everyone who has an ounce of football knowledge didn't already know...mentally he's a mess right now & after the SF game...i'm not sure he'll ever make it back...

Guys on the radio (I can't remember who) were saying that Schaub hasn't thrown 3 INTs in a game since 2009 (I think). So we know he's had bad games before & gotten past it. But this is something totally different. The pick6, then the pick6 in 4 consecutive games, then that we're 1-4 in those games.

I know people don't want to hear it, but the only way to really get him out of it, without going back into his shell, is for the defense & the run game to pick up the slack.

He needs to make better decisions, but he also needs to stay aggressive & the only way that can happen is if we win in spite of the pick 6. The offenses we've faced aren't really playing very well. Sure we're making it easy for them, giving them the short field. But if we were to eliminate the long TD scoring drives, we win those games.

Schaub should remain under intense scrutiny, I'm not saying any different. But if we believe he must "play-through" it, I'm sure winning would go a long way. Stop thinking about mistakes & losing & focus on winning. He had ample opportunity to win the game in Seattle, even after the pick 6. He didn't.

thunderkyss
10-11-2013, 05:10 PM
Interesting insight on his situation. Basically he says Matt is going to have to mentally get past his mistakes to get back to playing well. Playing guarded and conservative is only going to lead to more simple costly mistakes. So what I take from that is we need to let'er rip and come out rockin. I personally would like to see more bombs and big play attempts.

I was thinking the same thing. Fisher is probably expecting us to plan on running roughshod all over them & is going over the intricacies of shutting down the cutback lanes.

This is probably the game that opening with the bootleg could lead to a quick easy score.

EllisUnit
10-11-2013, 05:27 PM
Looks like Bro has left the building.

For the record I totally refuse to call him breh

awwww man i feel like a fat girl in a chesse cake factory now :kingkong:

Mr teX
10-11-2013, 05:52 PM
Guys on the radio (I can't remember who) were saying that Schaub hasn't thrown 3 INTs in a game since 2009 (I think). So we know he's had bad games before & gotten past it. But this is something totally different. The pick6, then the pick6 in 4 consecutive games, then that we're 1-4 in those games.

I know people don't want to hear it, but the only way to really get him out of it, without going back into his shell, is for the defense & the run game to pick up the slack.

He needs to make better decisions, but he also needs to stay aggressive & the only way that can happen is if we win in spite of the pick 6. None of the offenses we've faced aren't really playing very well. Sure we're making it easy for them, giving them the short field. But if we were to eliminate the long TD scoring drives, we win those games.

Schaub should remain under intense scrutiny, I'm not saying any different. But if we believe he must "play-through" it, I'm sure winning would go a long way. Stop thinking about mistakes & losing & focus on winning. He had ample opportunity to win the game in Seattle, even after the pick 6. He didn't.


Nah, he's done & its time to move on simply b/c the majority of the fan base has turned on him....and every time this guy makes a mistake he has the potential to go into streaks like this from here on out.. Even if we turn this season around, the only situation in which i can see Schaub here next year is if we win the SB this season with him at the helm......and suffice it to say, that's likely not happening....its time this franchise settled the qb position...we've got to go after someone high in the draft...regardless of how this season pans out....this is the draft to do it.

drs23
10-11-2013, 05:57 PM
You haven't been getting the hint so far. Go destroy some other forum please.

HAMMER TIME?

I hope so. Thank Goodness. Good riddance.

Very good tolerance level for this cat IMHO. Where do these stirrers come from. It's obvious he's Keenum knobber but dayum, where does it end.

Here, right now I hope.

CloakNNNdagger
10-11-2013, 06:02 PM
Nah, he's done & its time to move on simply b/c the majority of the fan base has turned on him....and every time this guy makes a mistake he has the potential to go into streaks like this from here on out.. Even if we turn this season around, the only situation in which i can see Schaub here next year is if we win the SB this season with him at the helm......and suffice it to say, that's likely not happening....its time this franchise settled the qb position...we've got to go after someone high in the draft...regardless of how this season pans out....this is the draft to do it.

I believe that we have proven the we cannot afford to consistently be a one dimensional team and still expect to win consistently.

Uncle Rico
10-11-2013, 06:50 PM
Nah, he's done & its time to move on simply b/c the majority of the fan base has turned on him....and every time this guy makes a mistake he has the potential to go into streaks like this from here on out.. Even if we turn this season around, the only situation in which i can see Schaub here next year is if we win the SB this season with him at the helm......and suffice it to say, that's likely not happening....its time this franchise settled the qb position...we've got to go after someone high in the draft...regardless of how this season pans out....this is the draft to do it.

Yes, even with a SB win you go QB in the first round, and make a move to get into the top 12. There's 4-5 guys after Bridgewater that could pan out.

You open camp with an all out QB competition. Question is do you flat out cut Schaub or allow him to compete for the job?

EllisUnit
10-11-2013, 07:20 PM
Yes, even with a SB win you go QB in the first round, and make a move to get into the top 12. There's 4-5 guys after Bridgewater that could pan out.

You open camp with an all out QB competition. Question is do you flat out cut Schaub or allow him to compete for the job?

we've had him since 2006 hmmmm....na he has had his time here, been ups and downs but we need to move on already.

CloakNNNdagger
10-11-2013, 07:52 PM
Yes, even with a SB win you go QB in the first round, and make a move to get into the top 12. There's 4-5 guys after Bridgewater that could pan out.

You open camp with an all out QB competition. Question is do you flat out cut Schaub or allow him to compete for the job?

That should have been done last offseason/preseason. Next year, all it does is take away important 1st team reps from our potential QB of the future.

Hervoyel
10-11-2013, 09:10 PM
That should have been done last offseason/preseason. Next year, all it does is take away important 1st team reps from our potential QB of the future.

Last time the Texans decided to part ways with the franchise QB they replaced him and cut him shortly thereafter. I don't know if they would do that the same way this time or not. I understand they tried to trade Carr but there was no interest. Everyone knew he was going to be cut. If they start shopping Schaub even discreetly I think the same thing would happen. Someone would certainly be interested but everyone would realize that he was about to be a free agent and just wait.

I think that when they decide to move on from Schaub (assuming we're talking offseason move) there's zero chance he sticks around to compete for the starters spot.

Corrosion
10-11-2013, 09:48 PM
Last time the Texans decided to part ways with the franchise QB they replaced him and cut him shortly thereafter. I don't know if they would do that the same way this time or not. I understand they tried to trade Carr but there was no interest. Everyone knew he was going to be cut. If they start shopping Schaub even discreetly I think the same thing would happen. Someone would certainly be interested but everyone would realize that he was about to be a free agent and just wait.

I think that when they decide to move on from Schaub (assuming we're talking offseason move) there's zero chance he sticks around to compete for the starters spot.

I pretty much concur .... you also have to take into account Schaub's contract implications on a team's salary cap should they trade for him - Its simply not worth it to take him at his current salary when they can negotiate a much better deal as a FA.

Uncle Rico
10-12-2013, 03:10 PM
Its gonna suck to eat that dead money. What will that figure be? Does it take away from the actual cap or is it just payed to Schaub and you still have full amount of cap to sign players?

Not that I would want to start Schaub but say he performs decent in camp, the team knowing all the while they will be going with Keenum or QB drafted and still Create a small market for Schaub in the process? Saying he won't be the QB whatsoever kinda shows your hand and you lose all leverage. Im just trying to think of best case scenario obviously, but crazy things happen during camp and a team or two could get desperate for a QB

thunderkyss
10-12-2013, 03:31 PM
Its gonna suck to eat that dead money. What will that figure be? Does it take away from the actual cap or is it just payed to Schaub and you still have full amount of cap to sign players?

Not that I would want to start Schaub but say he performs decent in camp, the team knowing all the while they will be going with Keenum or QB drafted and still Create a small market for Schaub in the process? Saying he won't be the QB whatsoever kinda shows your hand and you lose all leverage. Im just trying to think of best case scenario obviously, but crazy things happen during camp and a team or two could get desperate for a QB

As mentioned before, cutting Schaub could cost as much as $10M of dead money. But what difference does that make if he can't play & you know he can't play? That would be like the Jags continuing to throw Gabbert out there.

Now the Texans can designate Matt a June 1st cut, then his dead money would only be $3.5M for 2014. $7M for 2015.

Keep in mind, if he is on the roster when the regular season starts, that's $14.5M against the cap.

If he's designated a June 1st cut it's only $3.5M

We'll save $7M if we cut him.

CloakNNNdagger
10-12-2013, 03:57 PM
Its gonna suck to eat that dead money. What will that figure be? Does it take away from the actual cap or is it just payed to Schaub and you still have full amount of cap to sign players?

Not that I would want to start Schaub but say he performs decent in camp, the team knowing all the while they will be going with Keenum or QB drafted and still Create a small market for Schaub in the process? Saying he won't be the QB whatsoever kinda shows your hand and you lose all leverage. Im just trying to think of best case scenario obviously, but crazy things happen during camp and a team or two could get desperate for a QB

Preseason won't show much of anything or prove much of anything if he plays out the way he has this season. It will not make him more "desirable" to us (at least I would hope not) or other teams. Bringing him back next year to compete as a STARTER will be as disruptive to the progress of this team as staying in close touch with a jealous Ex while trying to cultivate a new healthy relationship.

ChampionTexan
10-12-2013, 04:15 PM
Preseason won't show much of anything or prove much of anything if he plays out the way he has this season. It will not make him more "desirable" to us (at least I would hope not) or other teams. Bringing him back next year to compete as a STARTER will be as disruptive to the progress of this team as staying in close touch with a jealous Ex while trying to cultivate a new healthy relationship.

Absolutely agree!

He's got a contract that pays him anywhere from $10 million to $14.5 million over the next three years (2014-2016), not to mention a $1 million roster bonus in each year. Just like the Texans will (hopefully) be unwilling to part with that amount of base salary for Schaub, nobody else in the NFL's going to either.

However, it should also be noted that there is no reduction in the cap hit that is derived by trading him. Cut him or trade him after the 2013 season, and either way you're getting that $10.5 million hit.

Lucky
10-12-2013, 10:20 PM
Cut him or trade him after the 2013 season, and either way you're getting that $10.5 million hit.
If Schaub is designated as a June 1st cut, the Texans would only be liable for the bonus allocation for 2014 (which is $3.5 million). The remaining $7 million in unallocated bonus would show on the 2015 cap. So the cap savings in 2014 in this scenario would be $14.5 million (salary + roster bonus + bonus allocation) - $3.5 million bonus allocation = $11 million in 2014 cap savings.

Howeva (as Stephen A. Smith might say), the Texans won't be able to go crazy in free agency with that cap savings. Even if they release Schaub in March, they don't get the cap relief until after Junes 1st. The cap relief would more likely go to extending current Texans. Like perhaps, J.J. Watt for instance.

Trading Schaub (like that would be a possibility) would cause the entire remaining bonus allocation ($10.5 million) to hit the 2014 cap. Since there's no way any team would trade for that ridiculous contract, it's a moot point.

Norg
10-12-2013, 10:37 PM
do u think when we cut or trade schaub he will be a starter for any other team ...??????

Bulls on Parade
10-12-2013, 11:50 PM
How much wiggle room for error does Matt Schaub have today? If he throws a pick six (5th game in a row) on our first offensive drive to put us behind 7-0, will Kubiak bench him fast or allow him to play through it? Seems like we should dominate the Rams today and blow them out 45-6, but I'm worried we're going to only show up for a quarter or two again. Not a full 60 minutes like the elite teams do.

eriadoc
10-12-2013, 11:57 PM
... I'm worried we're going to only show up for a quarter or two again. Not a full 60 minutes like the elite teams do.

You could make the argument that the Texans actually showed up for a full 60 minutes last week vs. the 49ers.

Bulls on Parade
10-12-2013, 11:58 PM
do u think when we cut or trade schaub he will be a starter for any other team ...??????
Not many teams that he would be able to play for successfully at this point in his career. It would have to be in a system a lot like ours. The Washington Redskins for example, would be the perfect fit, but they have two young quarterbacks that I'd rather have instead of an aging and slow Matt Schaub.

Bulls on Parade
10-13-2013, 12:00 AM
You could make the argument that the Texans actually showed up for a full 60 minutes last week vs. the 49ers.
True. The defense left it on the field. I was proud of their effort. Just a shame they are put in situations where the game is already decided and out of their hands. We could have beaten the Seahawks if we had just trusted our defense late in the game. Running the ball and punting, pinning them deep, with 2:50 or so left in the fourth quarter.

Vance87
10-13-2013, 01:18 AM
You could make the argument that the Texans actually showed up for a full 60 minutes last week vs. the 49ers.

Haha...I believe I see what you did there...

dream_team
10-13-2013, 01:42 AM
True. The defense left it on the field. I was proud of their effort. Just a shame they are put in situations where the game is already decided and out of their hands. We could have beaten the Seahawks if we had just trusted our defense late in the game. Running the ball and punting, pinning them deep, with 2:50 or so left in the fourth quarter.

I wish I could agree... but the Texans were having problems stopping the run all night. We're actually ranked towards the bottom in the league in yards per carry.

thunderkyss
10-13-2013, 02:38 AM
do u think when we cut or trade schaub he will be a starter for any other team ...??????

Carson Palmer was traded to the Raiders to be their starter. After disappointing the Raiders for a year, he was signed to start for the Cardinals.

There are only a handful of good QBs in the league. Even with the deep QB draft coming up, someone will want a guy like Schaub to "mentor" their rookie & hedge their bets.

How much wiggle room for error does Matt Schaub have today? If he throws a pick six (5th game in a row) on our first offensive drive to put us behind 7-0, will Kubiak bench him fast or allow him to play through it?


IMO, you've got to stick with him as long as you'd have stuck with Yates/Keenum. You don't want your QB playing with the thought that the next INT will send him to the bench & you can't always "blame" the QB if an INT is returned for a touchdown.

Also, I think it needs to be downplayed as much as possible if you expect your QB to "get over it" As long as an INT is made out to be a huge mistake, it will always be on your QBs mind. You don't want your QB to be careless with the ball (to be honest only one of Schaub's INTs was on a careless throw), but you do not want him playing scared.

We've got to win despite the INT. Just like a struggling pitcher needs to have faith that his team will "have his back" if he gives up a hit, by fielding the ball, getting outs, & scoring runs; Schaub, Tj, or Case need to know his team will get stops if they make a mistake. Give up a field goal... that's fine. But I believe we've given up a TD on every INT Schaub's thrown, not just the pick 6es & that's got to change regardless who the QB is.


Seems like we should dominate the Rams today and blow them out 45-6...

& this is part of the reason I started the "We don't look like the Broncos thread."

It's been two years since we've seen a QB capable of winning a Super Bowl in Houston.

It's been two years since Arian has played at a level capable of winning a Super Bowl.

It's been two years since our OL played well enough to win a Super Bowl.

It's been two years since our defense played well enough to win a Super Bowl.

Only Andre, Cushing, Jj, & Kjax are playing at that level or better than they did in 2011. That's got to change if we're seriously going to make a run at the Super Bowl.

but I'm worried we're going to only show up for a quarter or two again. Not a full 60 minutes like the elite teams do.

The Broncos offense is the only unit that has played 60 minutes a game... nobody else. Nobody. If any team ever played like an elite team for 60 minutes the score would be at least 28-0 if you're thinking a TD per qtr, or 40-0 if "showing-up" equals 10 points per quarter.

TejasTom
10-13-2013, 07:00 AM
I don't know how long his leash is with the coaches but the fans are holding him by the collar.

He's going to be booed his first errant throw and extended booing on his first 3 and out. If he throws another INT....who knows.

eriadoc
10-13-2013, 07:07 AM
Haha...I believe I see what you did there...

;)

:whip:

legacy_gt
10-13-2013, 08:44 AM
don't worry everyone, matt schaub will have a great game again, building his confidence, and then being the lower elite QB again.

enjoy the win today!!!!

dream_team
10-13-2013, 09:57 AM
do u think when we cut or trade schaub he will be a starter for any other team ...??????

Yes. I can see two cases where Schaub would be a starter.

1) He could be a temporary starter until a young guy is ready. I can see both the Browns and Jaguars both drafting a QB in the 1st round, but then have Schaub as a one year starter.

2) I think teams like the Vikings and Bucs feel they are a decent QB away from being a playoff team. I can see the both of them taking a chance on Schaub.

Nitrofish
10-13-2013, 10:17 AM
Watching Game Day Morning on NFLN, and it was encouraging to hear everyone but Faulk agree you stick with Schaub. I fully expected Irvin to blast Schaub, but he surprised me. I know there are those here who think they have better insight than guys like them, but I will stick the Texans players who stand behind Schaub, and the former players from around the league who have also agreed you stick it out with Schaub.

If Schaub struggles today, I support benching him for part of the game if need be, or even the entire game should he throw another Pick 6, but I firmly stand behind the guy, and have confidence he can get out of this funk with the help of his teammates who all need to step up their game in the coming weeks.

Good Luck Matt!

dream_team
10-13-2013, 10:21 AM
Watching Game Day Morning on NFLN, and it was encouraging to hear everyone but Faulk agree you stick with Schaub. I fully expected Irvin to blast Schaub, but he surprised me. I know there are those here who think they have better insight than guys like them, but I will stick the Texans players who stand behind Schaub, and the former players from around the league who have also agreed you stick it out with Schaub.

If Schaub struggles today, I support benching him for part of the game if need be, or even the entire game should he throw another Pick 6, but I firmly stand behind the guy, and have confidence he can get out of this funk with the help of his teammates who all need to step up their game in the coming weeks.

Good Luck Matt!

Here Here! Good Luck Matt! Time to man up and show us if you really got what it takes!

YeaLikeRightNow
10-13-2013, 11:56 AM
I don't know how long his leash is with the coaches but the fans are holding him by the collar.

He's going to be booed his first errant throw and extended booing on his first 3 and out. If he throws another INT....who knows.

Me thinks he'll be benched when his first completion to the opponent is secured. I'm wondering what Kubes will do if he fumbles the ball away instead....does that also count? :doghouse:

HTown2ATX
10-13-2013, 01:15 PM
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