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Jules Winnfield
01-04-2013, 02:26 AM
This it.

This is what Matt Schaub has been waiting for. This is what Gary Kubiak has been waiting for. This is what the haters have been waiting for. This is what the loyal fans bless yalls hearts have been waiting for.

All the ugly criticisms of their careers have been brought up these past few weeks. From Schaub never played in a playoff game, cant win a big game, Kubiak's conservative nature, no confidence, this that all the negative crap about them... They have a chance to prove a lot of people wrong. They also have a chance to prove a lot of people right.

This is the biggest game in franchise history.

Not some meaningless out of division middle of the season over hyped game vs New England. I never quite understood that. Why would they call that the biggest in history? And they even augmented that situation by using letterman jackets and proceeded to get thumped like high schoolers.

I say both because they are tied to each other. They are the loyal President and embattled field general. No Kubiak in houston means no Schaub in Houston. This is their movie and they have to finish it. Management has made their bed and now they have sleep in it. They will ride and die with kubiak and schaub.

Nobody expects us to beat Tom Brady in New England.

That's ok.

What's not ok is another tank job against a Bengal team that we can beat. We have our flaws ( right offensive line, injuries, joe marciano, play calling, schaub) but we are still 12-4. We are division champions. We have talent. We have 8 pro bowlers.

I hope this game gives everyone involved from the front office, the media, the fans whether you are pro or against kubiak and schaub....

some sense of closure and finality. Whether we continue in this path or we start the process of making change.

C Madd
01-04-2013, 02:40 AM
I just hope Schaub is the one carrying a wallet that says Bad Mother ****er during the playoffs this year.

Showtime100
01-04-2013, 02:48 AM
This is the biggest game in franchise history.


Aah rats. I thought we had a shot until you said that. :overreact:

(kidding, but...well......let's just say I was kidding :D)

I see the join date, welcome to the board! Be prepared for some vile posts shot in every direction on the GameDay thread come Saturday...lol :D

Norg
01-04-2013, 03:13 AM
cant wait to know all there is to know about this team

u think if schaub plays bad we start looking for a new QB this off season ..????

Premier
01-04-2013, 06:31 AM
cant wait to know all there is to know about this team

u think if schaub plays bad we start looking for a new QB this off season ..????

if this were guaranteed, i would prefer this actually over beating the bengals then inevitably getting slaughtered in foxborough only to go through all this again next year..

Surreal McCoy
01-04-2013, 07:47 AM
if this were guaranteed, i would prefer this actually over beating the bengals then inevitably getting slaughtered in foxborough only to go through all this again next year..

And yet another Texan fan hoping we lose. FFS

Runner
01-04-2013, 08:22 AM
I couldn't disagree more. All the statement games, biggest games in team history, referendums on Kubiak, etc, have been played before. The last time the Texans ended a regular season in such disappointing fashion Mcnair extended Kubiak because he was "on the right track", and he was doubly sure about it because the other owners told him so. It was assured that continuing to follow the right path would result in a juggernaut in two or three years.

Well, two or three years later not much has changed. The Kubiak led Texans still blow the big games (for home field advantage this time), but they were Incrementally closer again. In two or three more years it is assured Kubiak will have this thing figured out, and the Texans will be a juggernaut. Right? Right?

I don't think the Bengals game means a thing to Kubiak's future here.

Surreal McCoy
01-04-2013, 08:27 AM
I couldn't disagree more. All the statement games, biggest games in team history, referendums on Kubiak, etc, have been played before. The last time the Texans ended a regular season in such disappointing fashion Mcnair extended Kubiak because he was "on the right track", and he was doubly sure about it because the other owners told him so. It was assured that continuing to follow the right path would result in a juggernaut in two or three years.

Well, two or three years later not much has changed. The Kubiak led Texans still blow the big games (for home field advantage this time), but they were Incrementally closer again. In two or three more years it is assured Kubiak will have this thing figured out, and the Texans will be a juggernaut. Right? Right?

I don't think the Bengals game means a thing to Kubiak's future here.

If ever an endorsement for maintaining course was made...

Maddict5
01-04-2013, 08:36 AM
I couldn't disagree more. All the statement games, biggest games in team history, referendums on Kubiak, etc, have been played before. The last time the Texans ended a regular season in such disappointing fashion Mcnair extended Kubiak because he was "on the right track", and he was doubly sure about it because the other owners told him so. It was assured that continuing to follow the right path would result in a juggernaut in two or three years.

Well, two or three years later not much has changed. The Kubiak led Texans still blow the big games (for home field advantage this time), but they were Incrementally closer again. In two or three more years it is assured Kubiak will have this thing figured out, and the Texans will be a juggernaut. Right? Right?

I don't think the Bengals game means a thing to Kubiak's future here.

actually the last time the texans finished in such disappointing circumstances, they balled out in the playoffs v cincy and the ravens. the only reason they lost in baltimore was that they had a rookie 5th rd qb starting

btw since that dummy mcnair said 'the right track' comment, the texans have gone 22-10... but funny how the masses that flamed him at the time he said it never seem to bring that up

before i even clicked on this thread, i was curious how the anti-kubes/schaub brigade would twist it so its only a referendum if they lose....cos y'know if they win, they've already lost all those HUGE reg season games :rolleyes:

Surreal McCoy
01-04-2013, 08:40 AM
actually the last time the texans finished in such disappointing circumstances, they balled out in the playoffs v cincy and the ravens. the only reason they lost in baltimore was that they had a rookie 5th rd qb starting

btw since that dummy mcnair said 'the right track' comment, the texans have gone 22-10... but funny how the masses that flamed him at the time he said it never seem to bring that up

before i even clicked on this thread, i was curious how the anti-kubes/schaub brigade would twist it so its only a referendum if they lose....cos y'know if they win, they've already lost all those HUGE reg season games :rolleyes:

And they'll lose the next one, which is the one that really counts :thinking:

buddyboy
01-04-2013, 08:51 AM
I couldn't disagree more. All the statement games, biggest games in team history, referendums on Kubiak, etc, have been played before. The last time the Texans ended a regular season in such disappointing fashion Mcnair extended Kubiak because he was "on the right track", and he was doubly sure about it because the other owners told him so. It was assured that continuing to follow the right path would result in a juggernaut in two or three years.

Well, two or three years later not much has changed. The Kubiak led Texans still blow the big games (for home field advantage this time), but they were Incrementally closer again. In two or three more years it is assured Kubiak will have this thing figured out, and the Texans will be a juggernaut. Right? Right?

I don't think the Bengals game means a thing to Kubiak's future here.

For all that's been made of how QBs, or even teams as a whole perform in the playoffs, the success of players like Rogers and Brady to the failures of players like Matt Ryan, this is the FIRST time Kubiak and Schaub have been to the playoffs.

To say all the referendums and statement games have been played is inaccurate; this is the game Houston hasn't seen yet. If they fall flat on their faces, we'll know for sure. Who cares if we ended the season flat? If they come out on fire in the playoffs and make a deep playoff run (or even go SB?), who here will really say that the regular season games are the referendum, NOT the playoff games?

Thorn
01-04-2013, 08:58 AM
Kubiak and Matt Schaub aren't going anywhere. They'll both be back next season. And then the Texans will try it all over again.

While I don't exactly like the situation, it's better to be a Texans fan than a fan of most teams in the NFL. We are built to make the playoffs for a while. Now we can piss and moan about the fact we might not get very far in the playoffs (which I will probably be doing with a lot of folks in here) but at least we are in the playoffs. That's a hell of a lot more than fans of some teams can say.

Runner
01-04-2013, 09:15 AM
actually the last time the texans finished in such disappointing circumstances, they balled out in the playoffs v cincy and the ravens. the only reason they lost in baltimore was that they had a rookie 5th rd qb starting

btw since that dummy mcnair said 'the right track' comment, the texans have gone 22-10... but funny how the masses that flamed him at the time he said it never seem to bring that up

before i even clicked on this thread, i was curious how the anti-kubes/schaub brigade would twist it so its only a referendum if they lose....cos y'know if they win, they've already lost all those HUGE reg season games :rolleyes:

Last year's regular season ending wasn't "disappointing" to me, given the serious injury issues with players such as Schaub and Dre.

As far as "twisting it so it's only a referendum if they lose", I believe I was clear that it wasn't a referendum at all, one way or the other:

"I don't think the Bengal's game means a thing to Kubiak's future here".

I would say my words were the ones twisted to meet an agenda, but since it sounds like you were looking for something from the "anti-Kubes/Schaub brigade" my post fit your needs. People also might note that I haven't blamed anything on Schaub this season, so I don't fit in that broad brush stroke either.

2012Champs
01-04-2013, 09:22 AM
Kubiak and Matt Schaub aren't going anywhere. They'll both be back next season. And then the Texans will try it all over again.




This is 100% spot on. Im not sure if people are letting their emotion overtake them but Matt and Gary will both be back no matter what happens the rest of the season.

thunderkyss
01-04-2013, 09:35 AM
The last time the Texans ended a regular season in such disappointing fashion Mcnair extended Kubiak because he was "on the right track", and he was doubly sure about it because the other owners told him so. It was assured that continuing to follow the right path would result in a juggernaut in two or three years.


well, if Maddict5's numbers are right (22-10), I think the Juggernaut thing is about right, but I don't remember anyone assuring you of anything, much less two or three years.



Well, two or three years later not much has changed. The Kubiak led Texans still blow the big games (for home field advantage this time), but they were Incrementally closer again. In two or three more years it is assured Kubiak will have this thing figured out, and the Texans will be a juggernaut. Right? Right?

I don't think the Bengals game means a thing to Kubiak's future here.

Not much has changed? Being that we were on the right track, I guess that's technically correct.

We are the newest team in the league. Have you ever thought to compare where we are to where the other new teams are?

Cleveland.... who's better? Them or us?

Carolina..... Jacksonville? Who's better. Those teams may have had more success than we have so far, but where are they now (http://blog.chron.com/sportsjustice/2011/01/weve-got-good-people-in-the-right-places-bob-mcnair/)?

The Jags made the playoffs in four of their first five seasons and went to the AFC Championship Game twice. They’ve missed the playoffs in 9 of 11 seasons since. Meanwhile, the Panthers went to the NFC Championship Game in their second season. In 14 seasons since, they’ve made the playoffs just three times.

Runner
01-04-2013, 10:25 AM
well, if Maddict5's numbers are right (22-10), I think the Juggernaut thing is about right, but I don't remember anyone assuring you of anything, much less two or three years.




Not much has changed? Being that we were on the right track, I guess that's technically correct.

We are the newest team in the league. Have you ever thought to compare where we are to where the other new teams are?

Cleveland.... who's better? Them or us?

Carolina..... Jacksonville? Who's better. Those teams may have had more success than we have so far, but where are they now (http://blog.chron.com/sportsjustice/2011/01/weve-got-good-people-in-the-right-places-bob-mcnair/)?

Now we get into the realm of unwinnable what-if arguments. 22-10 sounds great. Some Kubiak supporters believe a coaching change would lead to a worse record than that; others think a coaching change would end the "incremental" part of the improvement, get the team over the hump, and lead to a better record. Since either is just a belief, the 22-10 number doesn't prove anything besides we've done well while consistently coming up short of some expectations.

As far as comparing the Texans to other teams, I frequently saw the slow and steady approach compared to the Steelers, the Patriots, and occasionally the Landry Cowboys. Seeing the results of the approach compared to the Browns and Jaguars doesn't convince me it is the best and only way to achieve success.

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About expectations. When the season started, I didn't think the Texans were Super Bowl contenders this year for three reasons. First, I thought they lost too much talent last year due to the cap induced cuts and a mitigation plan of "next man up" and counting on a superb draft didn't seem to be enough. We lost too much talent and depth from last year's squad.

Next, I did not think Dre would come back strong this year because of the injuries. He was a very pleasant surprise to me, and his production certainly helped the Texans raise their regular season record a bit higher than I thought it would be. I did always believe the Texans would win their division.

Finally, I don't think Kubiak is the coach to lead the team to the next level. Not much needs to be said on this oft debated subject. I think his approach has become stale, and the players aren't responding anymore. I believe the team is starting to regress, but that regression was hidden a little because of the schedule the Texans had this year.

I took a lot of flak over this reasoning in the beginning of the season, especially the first point.

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I am disappointed in the Texans because they are satisfied with taking half steps every year, because I see even that progression stopping and falling back. I'd like to see the organization attempt to take a couple of big steps and reach the ultimate goal rather than trust that they will always get a little better each season with no risk of falling back.

Not everyone shares this viewpoint, and I understand that. However, the fact that I don't have a Panglossian view that the Texans are the best they could possibly be doesn't make me a knee-jerk, mouth breathing, bad fan, hater either.*


*I just threw in the "mouth breathing" part for color. I don't think I've actually been called that here. :)

b0ng
01-04-2013, 10:39 AM
I don't understand how some people can actively root for the team to lose it's third ever playoff game so that hopefully x, y or z will happen. That would be like Vikings fans hoping they lose out of the playoffs because they wouldn't want to win a SB with Ponder at the QB. It's dumb.

thunderkyss
01-04-2013, 11:04 AM
As far as comparing the Texans to other teams, I frequently saw the slow and steady approach compared to the Steelers, the Patriots, and occasionally the Landry Cowboys. Seeing the results of the approach compared to the Browns and Jaguars doesn't convince me it is the best and only way to achieve success.


The way I look at it... If you were to start a new car company today, how long would it be before your sales matched GM, Ford, & Chrysler in the U.S. ? Keep in mind, that the Japanese have been making cars almost as long as the big three. They've been selling cars in the US since the 70s, & only recently have they equaled or surpassed their sales.

That's the same way I see this. You're not going to start a franchise today & win a Super Bowl in 10 years. It's never been done before, expecting the Texans to do it is just not realistic.

As far as being the best or only way to do it, I mentioned in another thread that there were 10 head coaching changes in 2006. Bills, Lions, Packers, Texans, Chiefs, Vikings, Saints, Jets, Raiders, Rams.

Of those teams, only the Packers, Texans, & Saints have those coaches hired in 2006. Whether you want to believe it or not, we're closer to the Packers & Saints than the Bills, Lions, Chiefs, Vikings, Jets, Raiders, & Rams. Only the Jets have had more success than we have over that time & imo, only the Vikings are close to what we've got.

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About expectations. When the season started, I didn't think the Texans were Super Bowl contenders this year

I took a lot of flak over this reasoning in the beginning of the season, especially the first point.

Strange, I think your reasoning was sound. The only reason people would have had to think we were contenders is because of what we did in 2011 without Schaub.

However, here we are... looking like contenders for most of the season, but I think most were probably just as surprised as you even if they didn't say as much.

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I am disappointed in the Texans because they are satisfied with taking half steps every year...

because I see even that progression stopping and falling back. I'd like to see the organization attempt to take a couple of big steps and reach the ultimate goal rather than trust that they will always get a little better each season with no risk of falling back.

What do you base this on? You're not satisfied, but you're still here. You didn't quit on us & get another team. Just because Kubiak isn't fired doesn't mean they are satisfied. It only means they don't believe the reasons for the "incremental" steps are the same as what you believe them to be.

Upset because we didn't make a run at Peyton?

Nobody does everything 100% right every time, all the time. I'm sure some things didn't go the way the Texans planned. They expected the cap to go up. It didn't & they had to lose Winston. Not acceptable, but not worth firing Rick Smith over. That's baby with bath water talk. Any argument to get rid of Rick Smith or Gary Kubiak is baby & bath water talk.


Not everyone shares this viewpoint, and I understand that. However, the fact that I don't have a Panglossian view that the Texans are the best they could possibly be doesn't make me a knee-jerk, mouth breathing, bad fan, hater either.*


*I just threw in the "mouth breathing" part for color. I don't think I've actually been called that here. :)

I don't like Gary Kubiak. I don't think the offense has pulled it's weight at all this season. We've been "talking" about the offense since week 1 vs Miami. I think we should have won both the Minnesota & Indy games. I think our performance against GreenBay & New England is unacceptable.

But like you, I'm not an ******* about it & say stupid scht that makes less sense than the way our team is playing.

Playoffs
01-04-2013, 11:19 AM
a Referendum So it's like an election, then? As long as it not th'....

nope, don't say it,

not the "thing"

do not,

no,

stop...

...the biggest game in franchise history. Dun, Da, Dunnn.....Arrrrrggghhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

.........................:firehair: :firehair: :firehair:

.......................................:firehair: :firehair: :firehair:

kiwitexansfan
01-04-2013, 12:40 PM
if this were guaranteed, i would prefer this actually over beating the bengals then inevitably getting slaughtered in foxborough only to go through all this again next year..

Sick of 12 win seasons and pro bowl QBs already?

Mr teX
01-04-2013, 01:37 PM
ehh..not likely. the most likely scenario is that we win, Schaub plays just "ok" and Kubiak doesn't stray too far from what he's been doing all year.

- People backing Schaub will use it as proof that he can take us to where we want to go.........................without considering all the variables involved..

Schaub haters will just wait until we play NE where everything says that we'll probably lose..Then they'll pounce......without considering all the variables involved.

& then we're right back to where we are now....so it's hardly a referendum..

b0ng
01-04-2013, 01:56 PM
I seriously doubt Schaubiak skepticism will die down much, if at all, after this game. Even if we are playing again next weekend.

Jules Winnfield
01-04-2013, 02:24 PM
For all that's been made of how QBs, or even teams as a whole perform in the playoffs, the success of players like Rogers and Brady to the failures of players like Matt Ryan, this is the FIRST time Kubiak and Schaub have been to the playoffs.

To say all the referendums and statement games have been played is inaccurate; this is the game Houston hasn't seen yet. If they fall flat on their faces, we'll know for sure. Who cares if we ended the season flat? If they come out on fire in the playoffs and make a deep playoff run (or even go SB?), who here will really say that the regular season games are the referendum, NOT the playoff games?

this right here.

whatever happens in this game, nothing will happen to kubiak and schaub. if joe marciano has sucked his entire time here as special teams coach, im pretty sure nothing will happen to McNair's good old houston boys kubiak and schaub after coming off a 12-4 season.

what this game will prove however as ive stated in my OP to those who disagree is that people's opinions whichever side of the fence you are on in regards to the two in question....

will be validated.

Schaub's entire legacy and his future legacy, the narrative will come from this game.

Jules Winnfield
01-04-2013, 06:12 PM
nfl.com saying the same thing:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000121948/article/wild-card-weekend-eight-who-can-change-legacies

Wolf6151
01-04-2013, 07:54 PM
It's put up or shut up time for Kubiak and Schaub. Everybody is healthy and we're at home, there's no excuses. No where for him to hide.

DX-TEX
01-04-2013, 08:01 PM
It's put up or shut up time for Kubiak and Schaub. Everybody is healthy and we're at home, there's no excuses. No where for him to hide.

He has no ILB's. Excuse confirmed!

Oh and Arian will forgive him

Uncle Rico
01-04-2013, 08:09 PM
didnt we just have 2 of the very same games that the OP is talking about back to back?

Surreal McCoy
01-04-2013, 08:17 PM
Sick of 12 win seasons and pro bowl QBs already?

Don't you know the 12 wins were a mirage and the Pro Bowl QB only got there because it's a popularity contest. :rolleyes:

Jules Winnfield
01-04-2013, 08:52 PM
didnt we just have 2 of the very same games that the OP is talking about back to back?

matt schaub played back to back playoff games already?

Uncle Rico
01-04-2013, 09:08 PM
matt schaub played back to back playoff games already?

were they not as important?

Jules Winnfield
01-04-2013, 11:52 PM
were they not as important?

:toropalm:

smdh....

Maddict5
01-04-2013, 11:54 PM
Last year's regular season ending wasn't "disappointing" to me, given the serious injury issues with players such as Schaub and Dre.

As far as "twisting it so it's only a referendum if they lose", I believe I was clear that it wasn't a referendum at all, one way or the other:

"I don't think the Bengal's game means a thing to Kubiak's future here".

I would say my words were the ones twisted to meet an agenda, but since it sounds like you were looking for something from the "anti-Kubes/Schaub brigade" my post fit your needs. People also might note that I haven't blamed anything on Schaub this season, so I don't fit in that broad brush stroke either.

no you said it doesnt mean a thing.... cos he lost all those biggest games in franchise history.... in the reg season.... during that 12-4 season:choke:

were they not as important?

in the overall scheme of things... not rly. it wouldve been nice to get the bye but which will tell us more about schaub as our qb going forward- had he played awesome and we'd won v the vikes & colts (2 overachieving, middling non contenders imo) and then lost v NE with him playing crappy.. or if he played poor in the reg season and plays well in the playoffs? schaub's problems has never rly been those middling teams (which is why the severe doubts have emerged after those 2 disappointments) it been v the elite teams in the big stage

Uncle Rico
01-05-2013, 12:13 AM
:toropalm:

smdh....


:wadepalm:

Uncle Rico
01-05-2013, 12:17 AM
no you said it doesnt mean a thing.... cos he lost all those biggest games in franchise history.... in the reg season.... during that 12-4 season:choke:



in the overall scheme of things... not rly. it wouldve been nice to get the bye but which will tell us more about schaub as our qb going forward- had he played awesome and we'd won v the vikes & colts (2 overachieving, middling non contenders imo) and then lost v NE with him playing crappy.. or if he played poor in the reg season and plays well in the playoffs? schaub's problems has never rly been those middling teams (which is why the severe doubts have emerged after those 2 disappointments) it been v the elite teams in the big stage

i just find it hard to believe that schaub is going to somehow 'flip the switch' tomorrow. he's been under the same mental pressure for a while now and he's folding under the weight these last 2 games were HUGE, and to downplay their significance and how much harder the path was made is a travesty. i get the whole 'rah rah rah ... pump up the fans' emotion, im just being a bit more cautiously optimistic i suppose. i've been here before with the columbia blue.

Norg
01-05-2013, 12:25 AM
yeah i think thats what will happen Schaub will beat cincy and that will get him another pass 4 a year

and instead of taking a risk in drafting or spending money on a new QB we try to upgrade another postion on the offensive

ChampionTexan
01-05-2013, 12:41 AM
didnt we just have 2 of the very same games that the OP is talking about back to back?

matt schaub played back to back playoff games already?

were they not as important?

:toropalm:

smdh....

:wadepalm:

Alright, let's just calm down, take a deep breath and relax.

The solution to this is easy. If we lose the game tomorrow, all you have to do is set up a poll (Which game did Matt prove that he sucked in) and I'm sure your difference of opinion will then be settled.

Showtime100
01-05-2013, 12:46 AM
Alright, let's just calm down, take a deep breath and relax.

The solution to this is easy. If we lose the game tomorrow, all you have to do is set up a poll (Which game did Matt prove that he sucked in) and I'm sure your difference of opinion will then be settled.

Should be 19 choices in the poll. Weeks 1-17 (bye week included), vs Cincy, and all of the above. :D :D

Wolf6151
01-05-2013, 03:05 AM
He has no ILB's. Excuse confirmed!

Oh and Arian will forgive him


My statement was in reference to Schaub being healthy, Kubiak has no excuses for the Offense. I should have been more clear.

steelbtexan
01-05-2013, 03:18 AM
Don't you know the 12 wins were a mirage and the Pro Bowl QB only got there because it's a popularity contest. :rolleyes:

Do you think that Gary and Schaub can bring a Lombardi to Houston?

If the answer is no then it's time to move on.

If the answer is yes how long do you think it will take?

Remember Matt is 31 and is playing on a bum foot that is likely to only get worse with age.

Premier
01-05-2013, 06:09 AM
And yet another Texan fan hoping we lose. FFS
where did i say i hope we lose, genius? i said if were going to lose i would prefer it be the 1st round and not the inevitble loss in the 2nd round because hopefully it would get the wheels churning on getting rid of schaub..

Sick of 12 win seasons and pro bowl QBs already?

12 win seasons? no.. ive been sick of mediocre skilled qbs who need shut down defenses to stumble into 12 wins in a patty cake division.. qbs who cant make a play once the system that built them breaks down... lol at the pro bowl, really, an all-star game?? FOH

bckey
01-05-2013, 07:07 AM
This it.

This is what Matt Schaub has been waiting for. This is what Gary Kubiak has been waiting for. This is what the haters have been waiting for. This is what the loyal fans bless yalls hearts have been waiting for.

All the ugly criticisms of their careers have been brought up these past few weeks. From Schaub never played in a playoff game, cant win a big game, Kubiak's conservative nature, no confidence, this that all the negative crap about them... They have a chance to prove a lot of people wrong. They also have a chance to prove a lot of people right.

This is the biggest game in franchise history.

Not some meaningless out of division middle of the season over hyped game vs New England. I never quite understood that. Why would they call that the biggest in history? And they even augmented that situation by using letterman jackets and proceeded to get thumped like high schoolers.

I say both because they are tied to each other. They are the loyal President and embattled field general. No Kubiak in houston means no Schaub in Houston. This is their movie and they have to finish it. Management has made their bed and now they have sleep in it. They will ride and die with kubiak and schaub.

Nobody expects us to beat Tom Brady in New England.

That's ok.

What's not ok is another tank job against a Bengal team that we can beat. We have our flaws ( right offensive line, injuries, joe marciano, play calling, schaub) but we are still 12-4. We are division champions. We have talent. We have 8 pro bowlers.

I hope this game gives everyone involved from the front office, the media, the fans whether you are pro or against kubiak and schaub....

some sense of closure and finality. Whether we continue in this path or we start the process of making change.

Sorry but this is not it. This is not the biggest game in franchise history. Heck, they beat the Bengals in the 1st round last year at home with a 3rd string qb at the helm. Hype yourself into thinking this game is something. The Texans pi$$ed away home field, a bye week and the #1 seed. This game is like a consolation prize for the underachiever. When/If the Texans go to New England then that will be a big game. Heck the Texans made it to the 2nd round last year and played Baltimore tough to the end. They have to beat New England in New England to say they accomplished anything over last season other than record which is meaningless once the playoffs start.

76Texan
01-05-2013, 11:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOm-uIPzqpI

Hervoyel
01-05-2013, 12:18 PM
This it.

This is what Matt Schaub has been waiting for. This is what Gary Kubiak has been waiting for. This is what the haters have been waiting for. This is what the loyal fans bless yalls hearts have been waiting for.

All the ugly criticisms of their careers have been brought up these past few weeks. From Schaub never played in a playoff game, cant win a big game, Kubiak's conservative nature, no confidence, this that all the negative crap about them... They have a chance to prove a lot of people wrong. They also have a chance to prove a lot of people right.

This is the biggest game in franchise history.

Not some meaningless out of division middle of the season over hyped game vs New England. I never quite understood that. Why would they call that the biggest in history? And they even augmented that situation by using letterman jackets and proceeded to get thumped like high schoolers.

I say both because they are tied to each other. They are the loyal President and embattled field general. No Kubiak in houston means no Schaub in Houston. This is their movie and they have to finish it. Management has made their bed and now they have sleep in it. They will ride and die with kubiak and schaub.

Nobody expects us to beat Tom Brady in New England.

That's ok.

What's not ok is another tank job against a Bengal team that we can beat. We have our flaws ( right offensive line, injuries, joe marciano, play calling, schaub) but we are still 12-4. We are division champions. We have talent. We have 8 pro bowlers.

I hope this game gives everyone involved from the front office, the media, the fans whether you are pro or against kubiak and schaub....

some sense of closure and finality. Whether we continue in this path or we start the process of making change.

See, I don't agree with this at all. This isn't "THE BIG GAME" suddenly rising up before them. It's not time to turn it on. I mean sure, this game is big and yes, the better turn it on or they're going home but the time to push the pedal down was two weeks ago against the Vikings and then last week against the Colts. Having a yellow brick road with a red carpet on it running through Houston to the Super Bowl was right in front of them and they did somewhere between Jack and **** about it.

In my eyes this ball has already been dropped. The kick is already wide-right, and we're just getting ready to watch the consolation game where we may, just maybe manage to stay alive another week before being put out of our misery in New England.

It didn't have to be this way. It's this way because these two have already failed whatever test this season has been. I'm not going to get excited about Matt & Gary blowing a huge opportunity and then winning a home WC game against Cincinnati before being destroyed again in New England. Beating the Bengals doesn't mean that they've answered any questions. It just means they've wilted enough to get a beatable opponent in front of them before having their asses beaten by the big boys. I'm no longer capable of applauding them at this point. Beat Cincinnati, then New England, then Denver. Then I'll be impressed.

DX-TEX
01-05-2013, 12:21 PM
They just need to stay focused, execute the gameplan, fix the problems and stay battlin!

Well according to Garys post game pressers since the Pats game anyway.

beerlover
01-05-2013, 12:38 PM
See, I don't agree with this at all. This isn't "THE BIG GAME" suddenly rising up before them. It's not time to turn it on. I mean sure, this game is big and yes, the better turn it on or they're going home but the time to push the pedal down was two weeks ago against the Vikings and then last week against the Colts. Having a yellow brick road with a red carpet on it running through Houston to the Super Bowl was right in front of them and they did somewhere between Jack and **** about it.

In my eyes this ball has already been dropped. The kick is already wide-right, and we're just getting ready to watch the consolation game where we may, just maybe manage to stay alive another week before being put out of our misery in New England.

It didn't have to be this way. It's this way because these two have already failed whatever test this season has been. I'm not going to get excited about Matt & Gary blowing a huge opportunity and then winning a home WC game against Cincinnati before being destroyed again in New England. Beating the Bengals doesn't mean that they've answered any questions. It just means they've wilted enough to get a beatable opponent in front of them before having their asses beaten by the big boys. I'm no longer capable of applauding them at this point. Beat Cincinnati, then New England, then Denver. Then I'll be impressed.

Props for being consistently negative at least we know exactly where you stand :foottap:

drs23
01-05-2013, 01:03 PM
It's put up or shut up time for Kubiak and Schaub. Everybody is healthy and we're at home, there's no excuses. No where for him to hide.

Cush, Dobbins and Sharpton on IR. Linebacking corps is decimated. But other than that, yeah, "Everybody is healthy". :kitten:

DX-TEX
01-05-2013, 01:04 PM
Cush, Dobbins and Sharpton on IR. Linebacking corps is decimated. But other than that, yeah, "Everybody is healthy". :kitten:

Tis merely a flesh wound.

beerlover
01-05-2013, 01:17 PM
Tis merely a flesh wound.

Sharpton has improved each week since he came back. If the Texans are to win he will have to continue this trend & impact Dalton in coverage & blitz packages.

Goldensilence
01-05-2013, 01:19 PM
I couldn't disagree more. All the statement games, biggest games in team history, referendums on Kubiak, etc, have been played before. The last time the Texans ended a regular season in such disappointing fashion Mcnair extended Kubiak because he was "on the right track", and he was doubly sure about it because the other owners told him so. It was assured that continuing to follow the right path would result in a juggernaut in two or three years.

Well, two or three years later not much has changed. The Kubiak led Texans still blow the big games (for home field advantage this time), but they were Incrementally closer again. In two or three more years it is assured Kubiak will have this thing figured out, and the Texans will be a juggernaut. Right? Right?

I don't think the Bengals game means a thing to Kubiak's future here.

I could've referenced all these posts. But this is it essentially. There's no referendum here at all, Gary will be back next year, Matt's been extended as well. I don't think even a blow out embarrassing home loss would alter those two things.

I was thinking 10-11 win season this year, so I am kind of pleasantly surprised at this year's 12-4...even if they blew some winnable games (again) late in the season.

I think they will win the game against the Bengals, but will be simply just out coached (again) when it matters even more against the Pats. I still am just amazed that the team came out so flat against the Colts... I mean if you can't get up for a game that has a bye and #1 seed for the playoffs...what can you get up for?

I don't hate Gary, but the guy is fools gold as a coach.

Jules Winnfield
01-05-2013, 02:23 PM
See, I don't agree with this at all. This isn't "THE BIG GAME" suddenly rising up before them. It's not time to turn it on. I mean sure, this game is big and yes, the better turn it on or they're going home but the time to push the pedal down was two weeks ago against the Vikings and then last week against the Colts. Having a yellow brick road with a red carpet on it running through Houston to the Super Bowl was right in front of them and they did somewhere between Jack and **** about it.

In my eyes this ball has already been dropped. The kick is already wide-right, and we're just getting ready to watch the consolation game where we may, just maybe manage to stay alive another week before being put out of our misery in New England.

It didn't have to be this way. It's this way because these two have already failed whatever test this season has been. I'm not going to get excited about Matt & Gary blowing a huge opportunity and then winning a home WC game against Cincinnati before being destroyed again in New England. Beating the Bengals doesn't mean that they've answered any questions. It just means they've wilted enough to get a beatable opponent in front of them before having their asses beaten by the big boys. I'm no longer capable of applauding them at this point. Beat Cincinnati, then New England, then Denver. Then I'll be impressed.


so what if schaub and kubiak win those games vs the vikings and colts?

that proves nothing.

we know matt and gary can win regular season games. what we dont know is how matt and gary together finally how they will respond in the playoffs with everybody already claiming they are done.

im with you, i already know that gary and matt are not the ones to take us to the promise land. they are average to above average at best at what they do.

nevertheless, matt deserves this playoff shot vs a very good bengal defense. Even though i made up my mind about kubiak, with schaub im willing to be proven wrong. He has never been in a playoff game. One of his biggest knock is choking in big time games. Its been brought out in the forefront with a lot of national media already starting to ask questions that the anti kubiak and schaub brigade was asking years ago.

I always wondered why guys like joe flacco, tony romo, and matt ryan got their shortcomings questioned while a guy like schaub always escaped those criticisms. Well its coming now, and he has chance to step up and respond. I say this is the biggest game because if he doesnt step up now, at home, with all the questions about him, then the people who were on the fence about him can finally make a final decision. If matt plays like crap again, we would most likely lose rendering the game in foxboro irrelevant.


This game will set the narrative of Matt's career from here on out.

Jules Winnfield
01-05-2013, 02:27 PM
I could've referenced all these posts. But this is it essentially. There's no referendum here at all, Gary will be back next year, Matt's been extended as well. I don't think even a blow out embarrassing home loss would alter those two things.

I was thinking 10-11 win season this year, so I am kind of pleasantly surprised at this year's 12-4...even if they blew some winnable games (again) late in the season.

I think they will win the game against the Bengals, but will be simply just out coached (again) when it matters even more against the Pats. I still am just amazed that the team came out so flat against the Colts... I mean if you can't get up for a game that has a bye and #1 seed for the playoffs...what can you get up for?

I don't hate Gary, but the guy is fools gold as a coach.


when i say referendum, i mean fans opinion of him. look marciano has sucked his entire time here in houston and he's still here. Matt and gary can crap the bed and i know nothing is going to happen because we went 12-4, won the division, and fans fill up the seat.

when i say referendum, i mean it will either validate the anti kubiak/schaub fans or prove them wrong.

Jules Winnfield
01-05-2013, 02:33 PM
“There is no doubt that this is the biggest game to this point,”

-Matt Schaub

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/45849/matt-schaubs-biggest-moment-arrives

I guess even matt agrees with me.

DX-TEX
01-05-2013, 02:35 PM
Sharpton has improved each week since he came back. If the Texans are to win he will have to continue this trend & impact Dalton in coverage & blitz packages.

Ummmm.......Sharpton and Dobbins are both on IR.

dalemurphy
01-05-2013, 03:41 PM
Do you think that Gary and Schaub can bring a Lombardi to Houston?

If the answer is no then it's time to move on.

If the answer is yes how long do you think it will take?

Remember Matt is 31 and is playing on a bum foot that is likely to only get worse with age.

This is the kind of thinking that sent Bum Phillips out of Houston 32 years ago and the Oilers spiraling into obscurity.

I have no doubt that the Texans could win a Superbowl with both in place. As a matter of a fact, I think it is likely. Are there coaches and QBs that would increase the likelihood? Yes. Can the team identify and transition to them successfully? I have no idea. Furthermore, has patience proven to be prudent for the health of the organization? Yes. Therefore, I expect the patience to continue... while you may disagree with it, hopefully you can at least understand that it is a logical course of action motivated by a desire for future success... We'll have to see if it pays off with a Superbowl (though, it won't happen this year barring a miracle).

Uncle Rico
01-05-2013, 04:10 PM
“There is no doubt that this is the biggest game to this point,”

-Matt Schaub

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/45849/matt-schaubs-biggest-moment-arrives

I guess even matt agrees with me.

What is it with your incessant need to feel vindicated or are somehow feeding this board news or something everybody doesnt already know. Are you josh innes by chance?

Schaub is a company man what do you expect him to say? I'll bet he's used that line before and will use it again. :fans:

But if you just need someone to stoke your ego in order to pipe down mmkay.

Your ideas are so original and fiery that the Texans should let you do the pre game speech mind blowing even. You're the best.

Jules Winnfield
01-05-2013, 04:20 PM
What is it with your incessant need to feel vindicated or are somehow feeding this board news or something everybody doesnt already know. Are you josh innes by chance?

Schaub is a company man what do you expect him to say? I'll bet he's used that line before and will use it again. :fans:

But if you just need someone to stoke your ego in order to pipe down mmkay.

Your ideas are so original and fiery that the Texans should let you do the pre game speech mind blowing even. You're the best.


go learn the difference between a playoff game and a regular season game.

Premier
01-05-2013, 05:12 PM
..............

qqert
01-05-2013, 07:53 PM
the referendum is now at 33% passed?
1/3 so far, need 3/3 to pass unanimously!

Silver Oak
01-05-2013, 08:00 PM
This is the kind of thinking that sent Bum Phillips out of Houston 32 years ago and the Oilers spiraling into obscurity.

I have no doubt that the Texans could win a Superbowl with both in place. As a matter of a fact, I think it is likely. Are there coaches and QBs that would increase the likelihood? Yes. Can the team identify and transition to them successfully? I have no idea. Furthermore, has patience proven to be prudent for the health of the organization? Yes. Therefore, I expect the patience to continue... while you may disagree with it, hopefully you can at least understand that it is a logical course of action motivated by a desire for future success... We'll have to see if it pays off with a Superbowl (though, it won't happen this year barring a miracle).

every once in awhile, someone posts on this message board that actually makes sense, and is rational and logical.

this is one of those posts.

Hervoyel
01-05-2013, 08:13 PM
Props for being consistently negative at least we know exactly where you stand :foottap:

I just saw my team choke away HFA through the playoffs and the easiest possible path to the Super Bowl ever. That's where I stand. One WC round win where the only TD Matt Schaub could manage was for the other team isn't going to change the fact that they pissed away their best shot at reaching the Super Bowl. I'm consistently disappointed in them until they do something that exceeds the failure of the last 4 games of this regular season.

Talk to me next week following a win in New England (should that come to pass) and maybe I'll be a little less negative.

so what if schaub and kubiak win those games vs the vikings and colts?

that proves nothing.

we know matt and gary can win regular season games. what we dont know is how matt and gary together finally how they will respond in the playoffs with everybody already claiming they are done.

im with you, i already know that gary and matt are not the ones to take us to the promise land. they are average to above average at best at what they do.

nevertheless, matt deserves this playoff shot vs a very good bengal defense. Even though i made up my mind about kubiak, with schaub im willing to be proven wrong. He has never been in a playoff game. One of his biggest knock is choking in big time games. Its been brought out in the forefront with a lot of national media already starting to ask questions that the anti kubiak and schaub brigade was asking years ago.

I always wondered why guys like joe flacco, tony romo, and matt ryan got their shortcomings questioned while a guy like schaub always escaped those criticisms. Well its coming now, and he has chance to step up and respond. I say this is the biggest game because if he doesnt step up now, at home, with all the questions about him, then the people who were on the fence about him can finally make a final decision. If matt plays like crap again, we would most likely lose rendering the game in foxboro irrelevant.


This game will set the narrative of Matt's career from here on out.

Well, I see nothing in this win from Matt that would change my opinion of him. It was a pedestrian performance putting his lack of mobility and weak arm on display. Foster and the defense won this game. Schaub just didn't manage to lose it this week.

And that was with outstanding protection. He was given all the time in the world today and he did what he was told. Still was responsible for more Bengals points than Dalton and threw some of the ugliest passes I've ever seen. The one that Daniels spun around to catch was hilarious. The wounded duck that AJ couldn't hold onto was pretty good too.

I'm torn. Who doesn't like wins but at the same time the longer this fraud rides this team to victory the longer we'll have to hold on to him.

Showtime100
01-05-2013, 08:22 PM
I'm still laughing at the 'Referendom' thing.....lol.

Texecutioner
01-05-2013, 08:25 PM
go learn the difference between a playoff game and a regular season game.

Yeah, well we just won a "playoff game." Give credit where it is due, or you're full of ****. Either that, or your some fan of some other team who is just trying to aggrivate people on this board.

Jules Winnfield
01-05-2013, 08:48 PM
I just saw my team choke away HFA through the playoffs and the easiest possible path to the Super Bowl ever. That's where I stand. One WC round win where the only TD Matt Schaub could manage was for the other team isn't going to change the fact that they pissed away their best shot at reaching the Super Bowl. I'm consistently disappointed in them until they do something that exceeds the failure of the last 4 games of this regular season.

Talk to me next week following a win in New England (should that come to pass) and maybe I'll be a little less negative.



Well, I see nothing in this win from Matt that would change my opinion of him. It was a pedestrian performance putting his lack of mobility and weak arm on display. Foster and the defense won this game. Schaub just didn't manage to lose it this week.

And that was with outstanding protection. He was given all the time in the world today and he did what he was told. Still was responsible for more Bengals points than Dalton and threw some of the ugliest passes I've ever seen. The one that Daniels spun around to catch was hilarious. The wounded duck that AJ couldn't hold onto was pretty good too.

I'm torn. Who doesn't like wins but at the same time the longer this fraud rides this team to victory the longer we'll have to hold on to him.

Yeah, well we just won a "playoff game." Give credit where it is due, or you're full of ****. Either that, or your some fan of some other team who is just trying to aggrivate people on this board.


its done.


its time to start the process of looking for the future qb of the texans.

Matt did not rise to the occasion. He played a typical Matt Schaub game and GAry Kubiak coached a typical Gary Kubiak game.

Spend a 2nd to 4th round pick on a QB let him sit while Schaub plays out his contract.

Its done.

Texecutioner
01-05-2013, 08:56 PM
its done.


its time to start the process of looking for the future qb of the texans.

Matt did not rise to the occasion. He played a typical Matt Schaub game and GAry Kubiak coached a typical Gary Kubiak game.

Spend a 2nd to 4th round pick on a QB let him sit while Schaub plays out his contract.

Its done.

I'd be fine with that if it's for a really good player with some great potential. Hell, I'd trade away two #1 picks and other picks for a top 3 draft pick at QB if it was for an RG3 type of talent. I have no problem replacing Schaub, but your hyperbole about how bad he is isn't accurate at all. He didn't play great today, but he didn't play bad at all either. He made several good throws and a lot of clutch plays to extend drives on 3rd down which is something that he has lacked this season. He did well with it today, so you can whine all about how isn't as good as Aaron Rogers all you want, but you're going to be trying to find a QB like that for the next 20 years, because it aint gonna happen. Schaub will most likely be here for probably two more seasons.

ObsiWan
01-05-2013, 09:04 PM
This is the kind of thinking that sent Bum Phillips out of Houston 32 years ago and the Oilers spiraling into obscurity.

I have no doubt that the Texans could win a Superbowl with both in place. As a matter of a fact, I think it is likely. Are there coaches and QBs that would increase the likelihood? Yes. Can the team identify and transition to them successfully? I have no idea. Furthermore, has patience proven to be prudent for the health of the organization? Yes. Therefore, I expect the patience to continue... while you may disagree with it, hopefully you can at least understand that it is a logical course of action motivated by a desire for future success... We'll have to see if it pays off with a Superbowl (though, it won't happen this year barring a miracle).

I wonder how many of these doom-sayers recall that Bud reacted like some fans are preaching and tore down a 12-4 Oilers team when they didn't make the Super Bowl. He sent Warren Moon packing off to Minnesota and went with the backup. We finished 2-14 the very next year.

So be careful what you wish for. I'll take half-steps forward to a gigantic crash & burn backwards just to make a change.

TheMatrix31
01-05-2013, 09:10 PM
Schaub played a typical Schaub game and Kubiak coached a typical Kubiak game, eh? Well if that's typical and we won a playoff game with typical, then I'll take that.

eriadoc
01-05-2013, 09:19 PM
Normal zone bootleg:

http://www.prodctr.com/lsimmons/pics/bootleg1.jpg

Schaub's bootleg:

http://www.prodctr.com/lsimmons/pics/bootleg2.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
01-05-2013, 09:31 PM
Normal zone bootleg:

http://www.prodctr.com/lsimmons/pics/bootleg1.jpg

Schaub's bootleg:

http://www.prodctr.com/lsimmons/pics/bootleg2.jpg

:spit:

Premier
01-05-2013, 09:32 PM
Lol^^^

GP
01-05-2013, 10:02 PM
I wonder how many of these doom-sayers recall that Bud reacted like some fans are preaching and tore down a 12-4 Oilers team when they didn't make the Super Bowl. He sent Warren Moon packing off to Minnesota and went with the backup. We finished 2-14 the very next year.

So be careful what you wish for. I'll take half-steps forward to a gigantic crash & burn backwards just to make a change.

What? Aw geez.

Yeah, that couldn't have ANYTHING to do with those players wanting/requiring bigger contracts (I remember that being one of the reasons for a few moves, IIRC). Bud is cheap as hell, as evidenced by his attire.

Plus, he was carving that team out like a pumpkin because he was about to move it all to Nashville. He was mad at many things, one way to get back at the city of Houston was to move the team...which came after having destroyed the Oilers' roster and making sure we all knew who was boss.

I don't think he did this because he thought the fans WANTED it.

That's a bigger conspiracy theory than anything I can even think up, Obsi.

GP
01-05-2013, 10:06 PM
I'd be fine with that if it's for a really good player with some great potential. Hell, I'd trade away two #1 picks and other picks for a top 3 draft pick at QB if it was for an RG3 type of talent. I have no problem replacing Schaub, but your hyperbole about how bad he is isn't accurate at all. He didn't play great today, but he didn't play bad at all either. He made several good throws and a lot of clutch plays to extend drives on 3rd down which is something that he has lacked this season. He did well with it today, so you can whine all about how isn't as good as Aaron Rogers all you want, but you're going to be trying to find a QB like that for the next 20 years, because it aint gonna happen. Schaub will most likely be here for probably two more seasons.

Tex, we played the BENGALS.

He hasn't looked right since the Lions game on turkey day. He looked good up until that game...ever since, he hasn't looked right.

I would bet dollars to donuts that he comes out next season and has about 8 strong games to start the season, then that foot starts causing him problems...and he reverts back to what we've seen of him late in this season.

Something is wrong there. And I think the whole team knows it. I think it explains the general, overall glazed-over-eyes "look" we've seen on this team for the final games of the season. As if they know we've got a liability out there at QB.

Showtime100
01-05-2013, 10:25 PM
Referendom. Ok, I just wanted to misuse it one more time.

thunderkyss
01-06-2013, 09:54 AM
I'll agree that Schaub didn't look as good as he has in the past. I wouldn't say he looked like crap though.


Spend a 2nd to 4th round pick on a QB let him sit while Schaub plays out his contract.



I'd love to move on from Schaub, I'd love to upgrade that position.... but how did Cincinnati's 2nd rounder look yesterday?

I think Schaub looked better than that guy. He looked better than a few 1st rounders as well. Ponder, Locker, Gabbert, Tannehill.....

HJam72
01-06-2013, 09:58 AM
I'll agree that Schaub didn't look as good as he has in the past. I wouldn't say he looked like crap though.




I'd love to move on from Schaub, I'd love to upgrade that position.... but how did Cincinnati's 2nd rounder look yesterday?

I think Schaub looked better than that guy. He looked better than a few 1st rounders as well. Ponder, Locker, Gabbert, Tannehill.....

He looked like he had a better RB and a better head for the game, except for that one throw (pick-6) that he should've known he can't make. He also looked like, well, let's put it this way, Dalton looked like he had a cannon for an arm, at least in comparison. The problem is that SB winning QBs usually have Dalton's arm AND Schaub's head, not one or the other.

thunderkyss
01-06-2013, 11:34 AM
He looked like he had a better RB and a better head for the game, except for that one throw (pick-6) that he should've known he can't make. He also looked like, well, let's put it this way, Dalton looked like he had a cannon for an arm, at least in comparison. The problem is that SB winning QBs usually have Dalton's arm AND Schaub's head, not one or the other.

If by some miracle we get past New England & the Ravens get past Denver, do you think Matt can play well enough to get us to the Super Bowl?

Playoffs
01-06-2013, 11:40 AM
Referendumb passed. :kitten:

DX-TEX
01-06-2013, 11:53 AM
Referendumb passed. :kitten:

1 TD in 4 redzone trips.....

76Texan
01-06-2013, 12:02 PM
No he had some good moments.

The pick-six was on him and just blatant stupidity, especially if you notice Johnson comes open right as he throws to Casey. The ball to Johnson in the end-zone I put on Schaub because AJ was wide open and Matt throws it low and away. The other one to OD I think could go either way but believe the reason Schaub threw it so far out was he thought OD was going to continue and instead OD pulls up. If OD continues it is a perfect pass.

Over-all I am glad Matt played as well as he did yesterday but it will need to get to another level against the Pats. They have to play pretty much mistake free to have a chance.

No, the pass in the end zone was low and away because Wade Smith got beat straight away and the DT was in Schaub's grill with arms up in front of the throw.

DX-TEX
01-06-2013, 12:13 PM
Some of that is on Gary being conservative.

Re: Saturday is a Referendum of Matt Schaub and Gary Kubiak's Careers Here in Houston

gafftop
01-06-2013, 12:20 PM
Normal zone bootleg:

http://www.prodctr.com/lsimmons/pics/bootleg1.jpg

Schaub's bootleg:

http://www.prodctr.com/lsimmons/pics/bootleg2.jpg

Excellent diagram. Yeah and this is not just some of the time but all the time.
Why does he do this? Does he know he is doing this?

utahmark
01-06-2013, 12:21 PM
Normal zone bootleg:

http://www.prodctr.com/lsimmons/pics/bootleg1.jpg

Schaub's bootleg:

http://www.prodctr.com/lsimmons/pics/bootleg2.jpg

lol. Must spread rep.

gafftop
01-06-2013, 12:27 PM
I don't think yesterday's game proved anything.
We are lucky we played against a QB that was more MS than MS
and a Coach that was more GK than GK.

Brady and BB will be the test in New England.

gafftop
01-06-2013, 12:31 PM
Because we are running the bootleg with an immobile QB.

I know but he starts running backwards even before any body is chasing him.
He turns after the handoff and just starts drifting backwards. Is he gun shy?
Almost like a drawn out flinch.

Surreal McCoy
01-06-2013, 01:25 PM
Saturday is a Referendum on the OPs thread starting privileges

There. Thread title that's much more relevant. :yawn:

Jules Winnfield
01-06-2013, 04:00 PM
Kubiak coached like Kubiak and Schaub played like Schaub.

They are what they are.

A mediocre coach and a mediocre quarterback.

Surreal McCoy
01-06-2013, 04:02 PM
Kubiak coached like Kubiak and Schaub played like Schaub.

They are what they are.



Playoff winners? Agreed. Glad to see you're coming round.

thunderkyss
01-06-2013, 04:26 PM
Playoff winners? Agreed. Glad to see you're coming round.

Don't forget Division Champs.

ObsiWan
01-06-2013, 11:33 PM
What? Aw geez.

Yeah, that couldn't have ANYTHING to do with those players wanting/requiring bigger contracts (I remember that being one of the reasons for a few moves, IIRC). Bud is cheap as hell, as evidenced by his attire.

Plus, he was carving that team out like a pumpkin because he was about to move it all to Nashville. He was mad at many things, one way to get back at the city of Houston was to move the team...which came after having destroyed the Oilers' roster and making sure we all knew who was boss.

I don't think he did this because he thought the fans WANTED it.

That's a bigger conspiracy theory than anything I can even think up, Obsi.

Originally Posted by ObsiWan http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2098324#post2098324)
I wonder how many of these doom-sayers recall that Bud reacted like some fans are preaching and tore down a 12-4 Oilers team when they didn't make the Super Bowl. He sent Warren Moon packing off to Minnesota and went with the backup. We finished 2-14 the very next year.

So be careful what you wish for. I'll take half-steps forward to a gigantic crash & burn backwards just to make a change.


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Re-read my post. I never said Bud was reacting to what the fans back then were saying. My point was that some of you guys are reacting as Bud did back then. "Make the Super Bowl or I'm holding a fire sale."

I didn't make this up... It's well documented Oiler history.
Link1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Adams)
Link2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Houston_Oilers_season)
Link3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Houston_Oilers_season)

Some of you are suggesting the same strategy.
Fire the coach. Trade/sit the Schaub and start Yates or somebody. Start slinging the ball all around the yard.
We ain't built for that. We just are not.

ObsiWan
01-06-2013, 11:36 PM
Normal zone bootleg:

http://www.prodctr.com/lsimmons/pics/bootleg1.jpg

Schaub's bootleg:

http://www.prodctr.com/lsimmons/pics/bootleg2.jpg
As much as I hate to admit it, that's some funny stuff.
Repped.

Big Lou
01-06-2013, 11:48 PM
Watching the Skins game today, on that 9 yard limping run by RG3, I couldn't help but think I guy with a sprained ACL is faster than Schaub by far.

What's Schaubs longest run, no way it's 9 yards, LOL. Now I'm not ready to burn Matt at the stake like some, but I'm 37, and out of shape, 20 bucks says I could give Matt a run for his money in the 40. Now I wouldn't be able to walk the next day, but what the hell.

Big Lou
01-06-2013, 11:54 PM
Watching the Skins game today, on that 9 yard limping run by RG3, I couldn't help but think I guy with a sprained ACL is faster than Schaub by far.

What's Schaubs longest run, no way it's 9 yards, LOL. Now I'm not ready to burn Matt at the stake like some, but I'm 37, and out of shape, 20 bucks says I could give Matt a run for his money in the 40. Now I wouldn't be able to walk the next day, but what the hell.

I stand corrected, Matt ran for 19 in 2009, and 10, in 2008, 12 in 2007. He was a regular RG3 Lite. I'm gonna start calling him MS1.

infantrycak
01-07-2013, 12:19 AM
As much as I hate to admit it, that's some funny stuff.
Repped.

I agree it is funny, but multiple times today Wilson's bootleg looked exactly like the Schaub diagram AND he was generally smart and threw it away when the play wasn't there. With all his extra mobility he took at least two totally unnecessary sacks.

Mr teX
01-07-2013, 10:02 AM
May be the rookie factor ...

undoubtedly yes its the rookie factor; he even knows not to force it in those situations. That's why it boggles my mind why so many get ticked and get mad at schaub when he does it..On those bootlegs you're only working with 1/2 a field to begin with.

thunderkyss
01-07-2013, 11:15 AM
As much as I hate to admit it, that's some funny stuff.
Repped.

I know everyone is trying to be funny & everyone knows the reason why Schaub's bootleg looks like that more often than not lately, but I've just gotta say it.

Someone didn't get fooled. Either a DE, or a WR/LB on a shallow zone.

Double Barrel
01-07-2013, 11:45 AM
This is the kind of thinking that sent Bum Phillips out of Houston 32 years ago and the Oilers spiraling into obscurity.

MSR. Thank you, it needs to be said.

Bud Adams was a classless P.O.S. for doing that to Bum after taking his team to the playoffs.

Anyone that wants an owner like Bud can go elsewhere, because I feel confident in saying that McNair will NEVER fire his HC after taking the team to the playoffs. And thank god for that!

its time to start the process of looking for the future qb of the texans.

Are you in the Texans scouting department? Maybe an assistant coach with the Texans just blowing off steam?

Or, most likely, are you just another fan "demanding" things because you will...what...find another team? Call a sports talk radio to broadcast your demands? Exactly what action as a FAN are you planning to take in order to "start the process of looking for the future qb of the texans", because I'm sure other fans would love to take part in your master plan.

Okay, time for a reality check: Kubiak will be our head coach in 2013 and Schaub will be our starting QB in 2013.

Referendom. Ok, I just wanted to misuse it one more time.

lol! Yeah, it's confusing, but so is the OP's mentality, so it works...for him...I guess... :truck:

Don't forget Division Champs.

I got the hat!! :texflag:

Surreal McCoy
01-07-2013, 01:13 PM
MSR. Thank you, it needs to be said.

Bud Adams was a classless P.O.S. for doing that to Bum after taking his team to the playoffs.

Anyone that wants an owner like Bud can go elsewhere, because I feel confident in saying that McNair will NEVER fire his HC after taking the team to the playoffs. And thank god for that!


This is why we fight. We fight because the lemmings would rather us chop and change every two years, just like Detroit, just like Arizona, just like Buffalo. I bet every Bills fan alive would give their left nut to have Marv Levy back, such is their fall from grace.

Bud Adams got lucky with Bum then sacked him. He got lucky again with Jack Pardee, then forced him to resign. Thank God/Jehova/Allah/Whoever that McNair has more sense than the majority of Texan fans.

PS - Great post DB. MSR

qqert
01-07-2013, 02:52 PM
Thank God/Jehova/Allah/Whoever that McNair has /snip

Gold Bars in the safe.

eriadoc
01-07-2013, 03:01 PM
This is why we fight. We fight because the lemmings would rather us chop and change every two years, just like Detroit, just like Arizona, just like Buffalo.

Not commenting on the rest of your post of even the general sentiment, but two years would have been 2008.

Dread-Head
01-07-2013, 03:17 PM
1. Keep Kubiak

2.Fire Schaub!!! Times like now I'm reminded why he spent the first half of his career as Dog Boy's back up.

Surreal McCoy
01-07-2013, 04:31 PM
Not commenting on the rest of your post of even the general sentiment, but two years would have been 2008.


Fair enough. But are we not seeing the benefits of that patience now? Or is winning the Super Bowl the only way you'll (figurative you) be able to enjoy a season?

Premier
01-07-2013, 04:36 PM
Fair enough. But are we not seeing the benefits of that patience now? Or is winning the Super Bowl the only way you'll (figurative you) be able to enjoy a season?

YES, HELL THE **** YES!!! isnt that the entire point? i would rather go 9-7, back into the postseason, put up pedestrian numbers thru week1-17, and stomp on everyone's ass in the playoffs instead of going 14-2 and fizzling out in the division round.. then being happy with my qb that lead the league in passing and earned a probowl spot.. nothing matters but lombardi trophies..

infantrycak
01-07-2013, 04:55 PM
Does anyone remember how Schaub came to be a hot commodity on the free agent market?

Try starting in place of Vick and putting up 298 yds and 3 TDs on New England.

Surreal McCoy
01-07-2013, 04:57 PM
nothing matters but lombardi trophies

Cool. Then you're obviously prepared to live a miserable fan's life filled with heaps of disappointment. But hey, maybe one season you'll be able to look back and say, 'remember when we did it?'. Personally, the Rockets victories form 94/95 are so long ago they barely register...

Consistently good team = cake
Superbowl = icing

I'll take cake as otherwise icing has no medium. ;)

thunderkyss
01-07-2013, 04:58 PM
YES, HELL THE **** YES!!! isnt that the entire point? i would rather go 9-7, back into the postseason, put up pedestrian numbers thru week1-17, and stomp on everyone's ass in the playoffs instead of going 14-2 and fizzling out in the division round.. then being happy with my qb that lead the league in passing and earned a probowl spot.. nothing matters but lombardi trophies..

I'm with you. I'd much rather go 12-4 during the regular season.... even lose the last two games of the season, then kick ass for the next 5 weeks & bring home the Lombardi

That's so much better than griping & crying & whining about losing a game you haven't even played yet.

Premier
01-07-2013, 05:36 PM
I'm with you. I'd much rather go 12-4 during the regular season.... even lose the last two games of the season, then kick ass for the next 5 weeks & bring home the Lombardi

That's so much better than griping & crying & whining about losing a game you haven't even played yet.

doing things the hard way always makes for a better story.. it would be a great story to say the Texans and matt schaub beat brady, manning, and rodgers on the way to Houstons first super bowl..

ObsiWan
01-07-2013, 05:41 PM
I know everyone is trying to be funny & everyone knows the reason why Schaub's bootleg looks like that more often than not lately, but I've just gotta say it.

Someone didn't get fooled. Either a DE, or a WR/LB on a shallow zone.

yeah... that's the part that's missing from the play diagram... where the DE is disciplined and does his job and "spies" on Schaub to take care of the cutback (should it really be a run) or the backside rollout.

sandman
01-07-2013, 06:38 PM
1. Keep Kubiak

2.Fire Schaub!!! Times like now I'm reminded why he spent the first half of his career as Dog Boy's back up.


So times like now, after a Texans playoff win, is when you think "See, I just KNEW he wasn't any good, because for the first three years of his career he couldn't beat out Michael Vick in his prime!" ?

sandman
01-07-2013, 06:49 PM
nothing matters but lombardi trophies..

Houston sports fans are a weird dychotomy. They constantly lament over the historical plight of their city's sports teams, waiting for the bad karma to continue to happen, and yet have expectations from said teams that rival fan expectations of the winningest franchises in American sports history.

WNBA and MLS being the exception of course.

Texecutioner
01-07-2013, 10:40 PM
Cool. Then you're obviously prepared to live a miserable fan's life filled with heaps of disappointment. But hey, maybe one season you'll be able to look back and say, 'remember when we did it?'. Personally, the Rockets victories form 94/95 are so long ago they barely register...

Consistently good team = cake
Superbowl = icing

I'll take cake as otherwise icing has no medium. ;)

I'm guessing that he is really young or that he hasn't watched the NFL that long. That's not an insult or anything, but I just can't read his posts and come to any conclusion that he's been watching the NFL for that long considering how hard it is to win a SB or to get an elite QB that these guys act like are as easy to get as a player like Kevin Walter is.

eriadoc
01-07-2013, 11:47 PM
Fair enough. But are we not seeing the benefits of that patience now? Or is winning the Super Bowl the only way you'll (figurative you) be able to enjoy a season?

Nah. I'm happy with progress. At some point, progress stops. It either stops with a Super Bowl win or it doesn't. For most teams, it doesn't. As a team, they have to identify when progress has stopped and regression has begun. I think it's fair to say that Kubiak has stopped progressing in certain aspects of his coaching. I think it's fair to say that Schaub has stopped progressing in his quarterbacking, at least for the last half of the season. Whether or not you think that's a longer term problem than just half a season probably dictates what you believe in terms of action moving forward. Regardless what you personally think, you need to recognize that you can be wrong ("you" being any of us).

If progress has stopped and this is the best we got, are you happy to stagnate here?

GP
01-08-2013, 12:51 AM
...Okay, time for a reality check: Kubiak will be our head coach in 2013 and Schaub will be our starting QB in 2013...

Ugh.

That sounded like when I was a kid and my parents told me "Look, buster, you're going to give Samantha Davis a valentine's card and that's THAT. I know you don't like her, but nobody else is going to give her a valentine's card. So buck up and do it!"

I no like your place called "reality." :foottap:

Corrosion
01-08-2013, 07:14 AM
Do you think that Gary and Schaub can bring a Lombardi to Houston?

If the answer is no then it's time to move on.





I think prior to Schaubs lisfranc injury the answer was almost definately yes. Now post injury , Im not so sure and would have to lean twards a no.

But I dont think you can evaluate them as a pair - you can replace one or the other and if you recall McNair's statements of what team he would most like to emulate , that being the Steelers because of the stability of the franchise from the top down (They have had four coaches in my lifetime , three retired).

I think its highly likely that McNair would evalute the coach and QB seperately - especially when injury is part of the equasion.
Gary got the Texans a bargin deal on Schaub who has sense become a multi-pro bowl QB , passed for 4500 yards in back to back seasons and was on pace to do it a 3rd prior to injury and guided the team to back to back division championships.

Do you not think that Bob would give Gary the opportunity to duplicate that success in finding a replacement should Schaub falter ? I believe he most definately would.

Schaubs contract is also pretty damn team friendly , Smith did a real good job in that negotiation - They could actually cut him after any of the next three seasons and not significantly hurt their cap situation.

I dont think its plausible that Schaub is cut after this season (barring injury) but I could easily see him getting cut going forward should he not perform up to expectations.